The Peter Zeihan Podcast Series - Sweden In NATO (Recap) || Peter Zeihan

Episode Date: February 21, 2024

Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban has indicated that Sweden accession to NATO shall be ratified by the Hungarian Parliament before March 1, which means Sweden will soon be welcomed into the allian...ce as a full member. Full Newsletter: https://mailchi.mp/zeihan/sweden-in-nato-recap

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Everybody, Peter Zine here coming here from Colorado. Today, we're going to do a bit of a redux. The big news, it's February 17, is that Hungarian Prime Minister, Victor Orban, says that he fully expects the Hungarian parliament to ratify Sweden's accession to NATO when they reconvene before the end of the month. This is the last technical barrier between the Swedes and joining the full alliance. So I thought it would be a good time for us to review exactly what that means. The Swedes are going to be a fantastic ally.
Starting point is 00:00:30 of the rest of the Europeans and especially the Americans. And so here is the original video that we recorded on the topic when it became obvious that the Turks, we were the second last to ratify the accession treaty, did so a few months ago. Hello from Bison Peak in Colorado. I'm at about 12,000 feet right now. Probably going to be staying here for the night.
Starting point is 00:00:49 Anyway, by the time you get this message, everything should be pretty official. It looks like the Swedes are going to be joining NATO. At the Vilnius Summit, the Turks, after making a couple outlandish demands that basically indicated that they were looking for a bribe, apparently behind the scenes got the bribe that they were after and have given a preliminary approval.
Starting point is 00:01:09 Now, this is not done until it's done. You still have to have the Turkish parliament sign off on ratification, and after that, there is one more obstacle with the Hungarian parliament. Hungarian Prime Minister, Victor Orban, has basically been acting as an advanced force for the Russians in NATO and the EU, so there are some complications could arise, but the heavy lifting has been done
Starting point is 00:01:33 and now that's just to require a little bit of light arm twisting to probably make it happen. I have no idea what the bribe is that the Turks demanded and received, but everyone seems pretty caucas pathetic. Things like this happen in Europe all the time. Anyway, so on to the strategic issue. First and foremost, Sweden is the most capable country
Starting point is 00:01:53 to join NATO since its formation back in the 1950s, 1952, I believe. You had your initial batch of Atlantic countries, which included, say, Britain and the Netherlands and Canada and the United States. Obviously, those were very capable countries. And then in 1955, West Germany was admitted almost as a subject state. The Germans were not allowed or issued opinions on strategic issues,
Starting point is 00:02:16 and so they basically just served as a bulwark within the Allied system until we had reunification in the 1990s. And since then, the countries, that have joined, whether it's during the 70s and the 80s with countries like Greece or Spain or Portugal or in the post-Cold War era such as Latvia or Romania or Poland, they have definitely fallen to the category of what they like to call security consumers, countries that don't have militaries that are right-sized to their needs and or have extreme geographic vulnerability to potential hostels. Sweden is the first country of note that does not match that pattern.
Starting point is 00:03:00 Sweden has been a major industrial military power over a half a millennia, and the reason we don't think of Sweden as a major player is because for the last 300 years it's been neutral. In a conflict called the Great Northern War three centuries ago, Sweden was the preeminent military power of the entirety. of Europe and almost ended up ruling it all. And it took a coalition of everybody else, including the Russians and the people that we now think of as the Germans, to break Swedish power in northern Europe. Since then, they have enforced a degree of neutrality on themselves, literally going back centuries. But they are not a normal neutral country. They are armed to the freaking teeth.
Starting point is 00:03:47 They are a maritime power. But unlike the United States that has maritime interests in every ocean basin, theirs is entirely focused on the Baltic Sea. They have arguably the best amphibious military capability outside of the United States and the United Kingdom. And again, it's very, very focused on a very specific geography. And that means that with the Swedes within the NATO family, you get that sort of defense competence with a cooperation that is very, very focused on one thing and one thing only. And that is Russia. The Swedes have been quite, quietly advocating for positions that will box in the Russians and that will encourage independence and development in places like the Baltic Republics ever since 1992. Now they're not doing it as a
Starting point is 00:04:32 neutral. Now they're doing it a hand in glove. And it's only going to be a matter of time, I would say weeks to months, not years to decades, before Sweden emerges as one of the leading voices within the alliance itself on pretty much everything that matters as regards to the Ukraine war. That means defense cooperation. That means military procurement. That means military procurement. That means pushing for democracy in all of the fringe states. That means heming in the Russians. That means taking a relatively forthright position vis-à-vis the Chinese. It is basically, you're looking from an American point of view,
Starting point is 00:05:05 is that the best country in the world just joined the network. And unlike countries like, say, France or Turkey or even the United Kingdom, that have their fingers in a lot of pots, and so there's always conflicting interests. In the Swedish military, every day you wake up, you prepare for one thing, the war with the Russians. and there is a war with the Russians right now. All right, that's it for me.
Starting point is 00:05:26 Everyone take care.

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