The Peter Zeihan Podcast Series - Top Secret Pentagon Documents Leaked by a 21 Year Old || Peter Zeihan

Episode Date: May 3, 2023

What happens when you give a 21-year-old access to TOP SECRET documents? They end up leaking those documents on a gaming chat platform...shocking. Full Newsletter: https://mailchi.mp/zeihan/top-secr...et-pentagon-documents-leaked-by-a-21-year-old

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey, everyone, Peter Zion here coming to you from Colorado, where spring has sprung and the frogs are chirping, which means, of course, later today, we're supposed to get a foot of snow. Anyway, I thought it would be worth me commenting on the recent intelligence leaks by Airmen, Tashara. Let's deal with the contents of what was leaked, and then we can talk about espionage and leaks in general. So, most of the documents that were leaked relate to the war in Ukraine in some way and involve internal U.S. assessments of how the war is going and how the Ukrainians are doing, and they're broadly less than fully complimentary. Basic indication from the leak is that the Ukrainians have been suffering higher casualties than are reported,
Starting point is 00:00:42 and more importantly, that the confidence in the numbers provided by the Ukrainians is very low, so the U.S. really doesn't have a good view. In addition, there's concern that by engaging in a static defense in places like Bakhmut, the Ukrainians, are losing their combat firepower, which is going to make it more difficult for them to launch for future offenses. There's nothing about either of those assessments that is particularly controversial, but before you say that everything it is now out there in the public domain is true, keep in mind that it has been the Russians now that have publicized this stuff far and wide, and they have undoubtedly changed a lot of the details in order to make their propaganda machine a little bit stronger than it otherwise would be. But three things that come from this. First of all, to share. the guy who did the leak, the U.S. airmen, from all appearances, was not recruited by the Russians. And that's something that's kind of had me curious for a while now.
Starting point is 00:01:38 Nottsin Edward Snowden in 2013, have we had any of our leakers have a very firm and obvious Russian connection? Now, Snowden apologists, of course, are going to reject that out of hand, but, you know, screw them. The Russians used to maintain the world's best human intelligence arm. And in the last decade, either they've gotten so good that no one has detected them functionally working really anywhere, or that capacity is languished along with everything else that we've seen in the Russian state services of late, whether it's the military or their cyber capabilities or anything else. That's probably really good news. Second, to share himself and why people do things like this.
Starting point is 00:02:21 It's really an issue of foreign recruitment, even if they're not. not afford or involved. People are often motivated by the same factors with the big three being ego, ideology, and sex. And in the case of Tashara, it looks like it was probably a combination of all three. He was on a gamers forum. He had these documents or had access to these documents. He brought them home. He photocopied them. He took PDF photos of them. And then he published them on the gamers platform discord like the whiny bitch he is. In the case, of a couple of previous big leaks. I'm thinking here of Chelsea Manning and Edward Snowden.
Starting point is 00:03:01 Ideology was certainly part of it for Manning. In terms of Edward Snowden, clearly was paid by the Russians, clearly fled to Russia, clearly married a trophy bride as soon as he got there. So, you know, I'm sure it's for love, but let's be a little bit more honest here. And then ideology, of course,
Starting point is 00:03:18 intertwines with Snowden as well. I think the criticism here, if there is one, is we've now had three leaks of significance in the last 13 years that get into files that are top secret and above. And if you look at the three specific cases of Snowden, Manning, and Tashara, they all have something in common. They probably should have never had access to these documents in the first place.
Starting point is 00:03:45 Snowden was a part-time contractor. And yes, he was definitely a spy, and yes, he definitely hacked into the system. but somebody at his level should have never been near a terminal would have given access in the first place. Manning was a private at the time and definitely should have not had access to the high-end stuff, and to Chera was a 21-year-old airman. Now, I am not the sort of person who's going to go and pick apart American security policy when it comes to information, but there is a pattern here and probably something that should be addressed in the not-todistant future.
Starting point is 00:04:16 But the biggest bit of encouragement I had is how fast to Chera was caught. I mean, it really only took a few days for the FBI to find him at the same time a bunch of independent journalists found him and then publicized his information. So at least on time on target, we are getting better from the law enforcement side of this, but maybe we should work a little bit more in information security on the personnel side. Okay, I think that's it for me. Take care.

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