The Philip DeFranco Show - PDS 11.7 Trump’s Growing Grip on Young Men Exposes A HUGE Problem For Liberals... & Today’s News

Episode Date: November 7, 2024

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There is a lot that we have to talk about today, but let's start with how young men have swung so heavily towards Donald Trump in this election. And it's raised questions about a major generational shift to the right and also sparked a debate about the influence of media, job prospects, and education gaps. Because while people have been looking through the data,

talking about all the different demos, I wanna focus on young men and their turnout for Trump. With NBC News exit polls finding that men 18 to 29 went 49% for Trump and 47% for Kamala Harris, with that gap being way more pronounced in swing states. CBS News found that men under 30 in Pennsylvania, they voted for Trump 56% to 38%. And ABC News finding that in Michigan, Trump had a 20-point lead with young men. And understand, this is a major gender gap nationwide because Harris got 61% of the vote for women in 18 to 29. And while yes, young people in general went to Harris, the Democrats' hold on

young voters, it's shrinking. For example, CNN finding that the advantage went from 24 points for Biden back in 2020 to just 11 points for Harris. And Axios noting there that this shift, especially considering the turnout from young men, quote, "'signals that the MAGA movement, "'with the support of a great deal

"'of America's youngest voters, has lasting power.'" And the thing is, right, this shouldn't be a complete shock. There's been coverage of the political gender gap heading into the election. Right, I mean, back in August, the New York Times ran an article titled, "'Many Gen Z Men Feel Left Behind. "'Some See Trump As An Answer.'"

And that is 100% something that Trump's campaign was actively trying to tap into, especially in terms of young men's media consumption. We had Trump just bouncing from podcast to podcast of these big male influencers. And hell, even early in the morning, when Donald Trump had won the election, Dana White credited these people.

I wanna thank the NELP boys, Aiden Ross, Theo Vaughn, Bustle with the Boys, and last but not least, the mighty and powerful Joe Rogan. Because not only did Trump sit down with these influencers, many of them used their platforms to advocate for him. The NELP boys posting frequently about Trump online and condemning Harris,

even going on to Fox News to discuss their support. Then of course, Joe Rogan was easily one of the biggest podcast appearances and that ultimately ended in a Trump endorsement. Though this also is some argued that he didn't even need to appear on the podcast to court the votes, that the popularity of those creators alone

was indicative of where young men's politics lean. And all of that, as you've had some influencers ringing the alarms about it for a minute now. For example, this clip of Hasan Piker on Crooked Media's offline podcast that was filmed earlier this year, now gaining some traction. If you're a dude under the age of 30 and you have any hobbies whatsoever, whether it's playing video games, whether it's working out, whether it's, I don't know, listening to like a history podcast or whatever, every single facet of that is just completely dominated by center right to like definitely center right to Trumpian right, like openly Trump right, not like genuinely neo-Nazi.

That that part is quieted down a little bit, but like they're like 90 percent of the way there. It creates a lot of vulnerable men who are looking for answers. And I think a lot of right wing podcasters and the manosphere and the like take advantage of that. And they do a very good job of taking advantage of it. They're like, oh, yeah, you're angry. It's you're angry because trans people exist. You're angry because women are taking your jobs like they should be going back to a traditional lifestyle. And then, of course, as people have been discussing the, you know, the so-called manosphere trend or like kind of this world, a lot of people have been pointing their fingers at the popularity of Andrew Tate, who is

a self-described misogynist. He's notably celebrated Trump's win by saying he wants to move back to the U.S. and even posting a photo of him as Trump's press secretary. Also cracking jokes about the win saying things like, I saw a woman crossing the road today, but I just kept my foot down. Right of way, you no longer have rights. And so now you have people arguing, you know, if the Democrats want to win, they need a liberal Andrew Tate. And I will say, and I'll expand on this in a moment, yes, I think it is true that Democrats probably need

to rethink their media strategies, especially as it pertains to the youth vote. But I think all of this, it could also be an oversimplification, with, for example, the likes of Bloomberg showing charts about why young men likely voted how they did, noting that after years of stagnation, median weekly real wages for men aged 21 to 35

rose steadily during Trump's first tenure as president. Also there noting that many men entered the workforce under Trump, though there was notably a big pandemic drop and many did enter again later under Biden. But the association of those original jobs, it was there nonetheless. And this is Bloomberg noted that many men are falling behind in education.

If you look at how demographics vote, the no college degree crowd was much more likely to vote right. See places like Bloomberg noting that all this made Trump behind in education. If you look at how demographics vote, the no college degree crowd was much more likely to vote right. So you have places like Bloomberg noting that all this made Trump's rhetoric appealing to young men. But then they also argued that Trump may have made young men feel heard during the campaign

and they did experience some genuine improvements during his administration. But then adding the shifts in the job market are real and it's not clear Trump's policies will help young men adapt. And so with all of this, there are a number of things at play. If you are someone in this demographic that voted for Trump, I would love to hear your thoughts on why you did it,

why you didn't do it. It can be a specific thing or a general thing. But what I will say is I don't know if the left needs a liberal Andrew Tate, but I do think that the left needs to get better about going to the public square. What I mean by that is if you look from independent to right-wing influencers,

they have been embraced by the right-wing political machine. You have right-wing politicians that have podcasts. They also go on other people's podcasts. They also embrace podcasters. They open the doors and fully embrace the likes of Charlie Kirk, lifted him up. And there's a whole range of these folks. Whereas you see that a lot less from the left. Granted, you do have outliers. You have Bernie Sanders. I mean, it was a big deal when he went on Rogan back in 2019. I mean, he's also a great example. He hopped on Theo Vaughn after Trump. AOC is also very skilled in the space.

You know, in the lead up to the election, the Harris-Walls campaign did some things here and there. But I mean, to give you an anecdotal example, when I went to cover the DNC, there was like this whole official way to try and get access to certain politicians. We got one of the probably, I don't even know how many people we requested.

But then separately, even though they told us not to do it, we started reaching out to campaigns and we got Governor Josh Shapiro. He seemingly understood the value of talking to people in our space. We had to film the thing in some like echoey back room, but he took the time. Whereas with, I guess, likely soon to be

former Senator Bob Casey, my team worked to get that interview. We had something set up and then they just bailed on us. They genuinely felt like they thought Casey was the get and not the other way around. That he was being given access to an audience of 18 to 35 year old voters. Right, understand I'm not tooting my own horn,

I'm not saying I'm like some crazy big deal, but I'm saying that there seems to be a disconnect for a number of politicians, and I think it feels like more so on the left that they don't understand the value proposition. You go to where the people are. But yeah, like I said, I'd really love to know your thoughts on this whole story and situation. Then we gotta talk about how,

well, you know, Donald Trump is not president technically yet. His victory alone, as expected, has already thrown a wrench into the criminal cases against him. Because right now you have multiple outlets now reporting that special counsel Jack Smith is in active talks with senior leadership at the Justice Department

on how to wind down the two federal criminal cases against Donald Trump. And specifically the ones charging him with trying to overturn the election and hoarding classified documents after leaving office. Right, and I say as expected because this move is coming because once Trump's in office, he'll be protected from charges

thanks to standing DOJ policy that prevents sitting presidents from being prosecuted. And while again, yes, he is not president yet, there's no way that those cases could be resolved before Trump's in the White House. And then regardless, we know that one of his first actions in office would be to have his new attorney general

get rid of those cases. I mean, he even said himself that he would fire Jack Smith within two seconds of taking office. And all of this, as you have sources saying, this effort to unwind the two federal cases is driven by a need to smooth the transition between the administrations and avoid a showdown. Now, as far as what exactly this unwinding

is gonna look like, that currently remains unclear, but it could get very complicated. I mean, we're talking about something that's completely unprecedented. And as NBC explains, it leaves many questions unanswered. Like, could the prosecutions resume after Trump leaves office or would they be time barred? What happens to the evidence?

What about the two other defendants charged with helping Trump hide classified documents? Also, will the special counsel write a report as special counsels usually do? Right, and on that last point, it is possible that even with the unwinding, Smith could still have time to finish his reports on the two cases before Trump assumes office

and presumably fired him. And that would definitely be notable because Attorney General Merrick Garland has implied that he would make those reports public. And while no, there wouldn't be any legal ramifications there, it would kind of be a big middle finger to Trump. But then notably beyond all that, the Mar-a-Lago documents case, right, that also poses a unique challenge, right? Because that case was technically thrown out by a Trump appointed judge who bucked decades of legal precedent and ruled that special counsel Smith had been appointed illegally because his appointment wasn't approved by the Senate. Now there, we saw Smith appeal that decision, but Justice Department officials have worried that the judge's ruling could jeopardize any federal prosecutor or even any senior official serving

in a temporary position and thus wasn't approved by the Senate. And so as a result, there are serious sweeping concerns about what would happen if the appeal is dropped and the judge's decision is left unchallenged. But then also, it's not just the federal cases that have been upended simply by Trump winning. Because the sentencing for his criminal conviction in New York over the hush money payments that he made to Stormy Daniels, that's now in jeopardy as well.

With Trump technically still currently scheduled to appear on November 26th to receive a sentence for his conviction on 34 counts of falsifying business records. So the key thing there is it's now widely expected that his lawyers will use his recent victory to try and disrupt the case from a few different angles. One option that sources say his lawyers are working on

is to have the case thrown out altogether on the grounds that as president-elect, he has the same constitutional protections as a sitting president, which would mean that he's protected from sentencing by state prosecutors. But then, even if the judge dismisses that argument, Trump's attorney could appeal to a higher court

and seek to delay sentencing further while they do. And that's in no way their only option for delaying sentencing. Another route that they're all but certain to take is to postpone the sentencing indefinitely on the grounds that he's too busy getting ready to assume office to stand for sentencing or other court procedures. And again, this is just a few.

There are a bunch of different maneuvers and appeals that his team can take based on various different legal outcomes. And so really what we're looking at is Trump's not gonna face any accountability for his crimes in New York before he takes office and gets sweeping immunity. And then even if he somehow did one day, it would be years from now after he leaves office,

which is definitely a thing he is going to do. That's what I keep telling myself. Despite all the memes that people are throwing out there that the Republicans are gonna make it so that a person can run for president a third time, which would then lead to the Super Bowl of campaigns of a Donald Trump versus Barack Obama. But then to take a quick break from the news for a second,

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And we'll start with the upper chamber because we now have the official confirmation that Democrat and previous guest of the show, Alyssa Slotkin, has won the open Senate seat in Michigan. With that notably being one of the tightest and most closely watched races this cycle. She just barely beat her Republican opponent by 0.39%. And her win there is a big deal for a few reasons.

First of all, the seat that she was running for had been vacated by a retiring Democrat, making it a prime target for Republicans to flip because Michigan's a swing state. You know, when you're fighting for every vote, it's definitely helpful to have that incumbency advantage, which neither had. Well, yes, the Republicans have already won the Senate.

Keeping the majority as slim as possible is very important for the Democrats. Makes it harder to get things done. I mean, just look at the Democrats' slim majority for the last two years. It hasn't worked well for them. But another reason Slotkin's win is so notable is the fact that she won an open seat in a state

that Harris lost. Because during an election year, most people usually vote down the ballot. So they'll vote for a Senator who's in the same party as whichever presidential candidate that they're voting for. So when the presidential candidate does well in a state, the Senator can ride their coattails, but when they do badly,

they can also drag others down with them. Now that said, you know, sometimes incumbency can offset that, which can help explain why Senator Tammy Baldwin, when her reelection in Wisconsin, even though Harris lost that state as well. So for Slotkin to win this open seat, that speaks volumes both about her as a candidate and how the people of Michigan feel about Harris. Because not only did Slotkin to win this open seat, that speaks volumes both about her as a candidate and how the people of Michigan feel about Harris.

Because not only did Slotkin win her race, her victory means that Democrats have not lost a single statewide race since Trump won the state in 2016, which also makes Harris's loss there especially notable. So the people at the top of the Democratic Party, they better be putting some serious energy into how the campaign went so wrong there, or they should probably have new people at the top of the party. But with that said, let's move on to key House races. Because the House right now is still technically undecided, though the Democrats' path to victory is narrowing. Republicans now have 209 seats to the Democrats' 195 as of recording, with so far both parties managing to flip several key seats.

Very notably, there you have Democrats now turning a total of three seats previously held by Republicans in New York's 4th, 19th, and 22nd districts. We also saw an incredibly significant and historic flip in Alabama. Yes, that Alabama. With Democrat Shamari, figures beating his Republican challenger, winning the state's 2nd district. While figures technically flipped the seat, it's also a bit of a unique case. Because the district was actually just redrawn after federal judges forced Alabama to change their map to better represent black voters.

Which notably is a ruling that the Supreme Court upheld in a shocking landmark decision. Right, and we talked about this before, but a little TLDR, because it's interesting. The Alabama GOP had drawn its congressional map, so just one of the state's seven districts had a black majority. And that, despite the fact that almost one in three voters in Alabama are black.

And so under the ruling, the Republican state legislature was directed to redraw the map, so at least two districts had a majority of black voters, or close to it. So after a bunch of bullshit, trying to find loopholes and getting around the ruling, the final map was put into place and that made the second district majority black. But then the voters there electing figures and his election actually breaks a bunch of different fucked up Alabama records. Because despite the fact that a third of the state is black, thanks to years of gerrymandering, he's

only now the fourth black person ever to be elected to Congress from Alabama since Reconstruction times. And this is also the first time ever that a black person in Alabama has be elected to Congress from Alabama since reconstruction times. And this is also the first time ever that a black person in Alabama has been elected to Congress in a district other than the seventh, which as we've talked about was the only black majority district Alabama Republicans allowed to exist until they were forced to redraw their map. And so as a result, this is the first time

that Alabama has two black members of Congress serving at the same time. But then of course, with all this, we need to talk about the Republicans because they have also flipped key seats as well with the big ones there being Michigan's seventh district, which notably is the seat that Slotkin is vacating, as well as Pennsylvania's closely watched

seventh and eighth districts. And all of this is everything still developing, right? We're still waiting to see more results soon. And then in connected news is we're waiting to see if Republicans secure a trifecta with the House. Regardless, this morning we saw Biden addressing the nation for the first time and promising a smooth transfer of power to Trump in the White House.

Something that of course is in line with the promise Kamala Harris made yesterday. And in this speech, we saw Biden taking the time to thank election workers for their service and notably saying, I also hope we can lay to rest the question about the integrity of the American electoral system. It is honest, it is fair, and it is transparent.

And it can be trusted. Win or lose. With Biden also adding. The struggle for the soul of America since our very founding has always been an ongoing debate and still vital today. I know for some people, it's a time for victory to state the obvious. For others, it's a time of loss. Campaigns are contests of competing visions. The country chooses one or the other.

We accept the choice the country made. I've said many times, you can't love your country only when you win. You can't love your country only when you win. You can't love your neighbor only when you agree. But then, while pretty much everyone in America and people all around the world were paying attention what was happening Tuesday night to see who America would elect, there was also one country in particular

that was paying extra special attention with a mixture of hope and fear, and that is Ukraine. Right, and I mean that literally. You had Ukrainian soldiers simultaneously monitoring Russian troop movements and US vote counts from their bunkers on Wednesday morning. With one private even telling the New York Times, "'It feels like a small loss of hope for better support "'in our difficult struggle,

"'knowing his stance and sympathy toward our enemies.'" But then adding, "'At the same time, I understand that the situation "'has become so tough recently "'that even the aid we've received "'hasn't been enough to improve our position.'" And part of what she's referring to there is Trump's well-documented hostility toward military and financial aid to Ukraine and his longtime admiration for Vladimir Putin. Which,

you know, as many Ukrainians and their supporters worry that he's going to cut off aid at a time when they're already struggling to hold their ground against a larger and better equipped adversary. Though this also, as President Zelensky has been nothing but flattering towards Trump, I mean, kind of just putting it on strong. With Ukraine's leader congratulating Trump after the election and publicly saying that he looked forward to quote, "'An era of a strong United States of America under President Trump's decisive leadership.'"

And adding, "'I appreciate President Trump's commitment to the quote, peace through strength approach in global affairs. This is exactly the principle that can practically bring us just peace in Ukraine closer. I am hopeful that we will put it into action together.'" But I mean, as far as Donald Trump's actual plans for the conflict, if they exist right now,

we just, we're gonna have to wait and see. Because he has refused to detail what they are every time he's been asked. But I'm just simply promising to end the war in one day, though not specifying how. Do you want Ukraine to win this war? I want the war to stop. I want to save lives.

Do you believe it's in the U.S. best interest for Ukraine to win this war, yes or no? I think it's the U to stop. I want to save lives. Do you believe it's in the US best interest for Ukraine to win this war? Yes or no? I think it's the US best interest to get this war finished and just get it done. And so, because it's not clear, many have taken that to mean

that he's gonna turn the screws on Ukraine to settle with Russia as quickly as possible, which, you know, would almost certainly mean conceding territory on unfavorable terms. Right, because currently Moscow occupies about one fifth of the country. Now with all this, as far as what he is actually gonna do, a lot of the details are gonna probably come down

to his key appointees. Because if for example, Donald Trump picks somebody like Mike Pompeo to lead the Defense Department, he's likely to take a more hard line approach toward Russia. But if you pick someone like Richard Grenell for a Secretary of State or National Security Advisor, that could create pressure in the opposite direction from within his administration.

But of course, you know, and this is the big ultimate thing. The buck stops with Donald Trump himself. And as one of his former National Security Council aides told the Wall Street Journal, "'Anyone, no matter how senior in Trump's circle, "'who claims to have a different view "'or more detailed window into his plans on Ukraine "'simply doesn't know what he or she is talking about

"'or doesn't understand that he makes his own calls "'on national security issues many times in the moment, "'particularly on an issue as central as this.'" But whatever does happen next, it's gonna be vital in determining the future course of this war. Because as our boy Ned Stark put it, winter is coming and Russian forces in recent months

have been advancing at the fastest pace since the war began nearly three years ago. With right now, Ukraine's short-staffed military having to constantly shuffle soldiers around between hotspots on the front line, which then leads points they came from open to attack, which is exactly what Russia's been wanting and doing. And this is January to September of this year,

Ukrainian prosecutors recorded about 51,000 soldiers deserting their posts, more than double the number from last year. And all of this at the same time as 10,000 North Korean soldiers are now fighting alongside the Russians, though their numbers probably won't be decisive. So if the United States abandons its ally,

we'll have to see if Europe can pick up the slack. Though even that technically may be up in the air after what just happened in Germany, Because Germany's ruling coalition has just collapsed. So now you have a country bracing for snap elections that could see the far right get major gains throughout the country. And this after things officially came crashing apart after Chancellor Olaf Scholz sacked finance minister Christian Lindner. Though really that was just the straw that broke the camel's back. You see, Scholz relies on three parties to maintain a majority, including the free democrats that Lindner belongs to.

However, they've been having huge disagreements about which direction Germany's economy should go as the country has been dealing with about two years of economic trouble. With things really coming to a head over the budget, with Scholz accusing Lindner of blocking proposals on shaky ground and thus putting party over country,

with Scholz going on to say, "'We need a government that is able to act, "'that has the strength to make the necessary decisions for our country. With Scholz now expected to reach out to the opposition conservative party to try and get his budget passed, which was likely blocked because it had spending increases

and Lindner and his party are extremely financially conservative. And I also don't mean like spending increases across the board. It was mostly just on the military, which a key thing here is something that many European countries are considering now that Donald Trump will be president again.

But also running a minority government, that's expected to just be a short-term thing since on January 15th, he plans to hold a no confidence vote. And it's widely expected that he's gonna lose that because he's in the minority, meaning that there would be snap elections sometime around March.

Now, obviously that's not just around the corner, which is also why he's facing growing pressure to speed up that timeline and have a snap election much sooner. And that's including calls from Lindner, which is interesting because his free Democrats are polling below 5% right now. Which another key thing is the threshold needed

to even be allowed into parliament. There are also other parties that are pressuring, such as the Christian Democratic Union, which are currently leading the polls by a massive margin at 32%. Which also to be clear, this is a small d Democrat. So if you're American, don't assume that there are like our Democrats

and the CDU is best described as a center right party. Either way, their leaders said they want elections as soon as next week and added, there are also a whole series of international commitments, conferences, and decisions in the European Union that now require a German federal government that is capable of acting. We simply cannot afford to have a government without a majority in Germany for several months. Also following them are the far, far right, AFD, and then Scholz's own SPD. And so it makes sense that a lot of these parties, they want the election now while they're still up in the polls.

Whereas Scholz, obviously he's gonna wanna delay it to have enough time to try to dig his party out of the hole they're in. But really, unless something changes there, there's a real chance that Germany's joining some of its European neighbors in the United States with a turn to the right. Although I will say, obviously,

there are some big differences there, such as security across Europe. And this, you know, is Trump has a history of antagonizing NATO partners, and he clearly doesn't wanna send more arms to Ukraine. Whereas the Christian Democrats over in Germany, they're the opposite, and they've been frustrated by how slow European help to Ukraine's been.

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about how the far right and alternative health enthusiasts have a new hill they want to die on, and it is raw milk. Also, to my buddy Richard, if you're watching this, I am not making this because you said I need to start drinking raw milk and I didn't want to have a conversation about it. And so I did a whole deep dive into this. That would be crazy. Which if you're unfamiliar, raw milk is just unpasteurized milk, right? It hasn't gone through the process to kill all kinds of nasty bacteria that could potentially contaminate it. Things like salmonella, E. coli, and listeria.

Right, because for decades, pasteurization has been a very standard and basic health measure. And it's pretty simple, right? You're just heating milk to a certain temperature for a set time to kill all the gross stuff. That way you can be spared from diseases that killed people for centuries,

like tuberculosis, typhoid fever, and more. And if you don't pasteurize your milk and drink it raw, well, your chance of consuming harmful bacteria, it increases, right? And it could lead to food poisoning symptoms like vomiting, diarrhea, abdominal pain, and body aches. And these illnesses can be especially harmful to immunocompromised people, children, elderly adults,

or if you're pregnant. But still, social media is now full of content from people consuming and promoting raw milk as a healthier and more wholesome option than pasteurized milk, where some people showing themselves giving it to their kids straight from the udder, saying it tastes like freedom.

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saying she puts raw cream in her coffee every morning. RFK Jr. saying he only drinks raw milk. Marjorie Taylor Greene, likewise tweeting that it's healthy. And among their reasons, they say that raw milk just tastes better, it's more nutritious, easier to digest, especially for those with lactose intolerance. And they also say that it can prevent

seasonal allergies and asthma. Though with that, I will say the FDA would beg to differ, saying that pasteurization does not cause lactose intolerance. And they also say that it can prevent seasonal allergies and asthma. Though with that, I will say the FDA would beg to differ, saying that pasteurization does not cause lactose intolerance or reduce milk's nutritional value. And this is notably the FDA is not alone, right? Most food scientists say that there is no nutritional difference between pasteurized and raw milk. For example, Nicole Martin, an assistant research professor

in dairy foods microbiology at Cornell University, telling the Washington Post, what folks really need to hear is that this product, "'raw milk, does represent a higher risk of illness. "'Even if they perceive there to be a nutritional benefit "'or a health benefit, there really is no support "'for that in scientific studies.'" And while other experts have noted

that not all raw milk is going to make everyone who drinks it sick, you need to pasteurize it in order to remove the chance of contamination. And this is even true if you get it straight from your clean and friendly neighborhood farm. With an associate professor of food policy at Northeastern University telling women's health, "'Buying raw milk from a reputable farm

"'with good hygiene practices may reduce "'the risk of contamination, but it does not eliminate it. "'Even well-managed farms can have bacteria present "'in the environment, equipment, "'or from the cows themselves.'" And adding, "'Trust in the farm's reputation does not equate "'to a guarantee of safety when it comes to raw milk.'"

Also with this, you have an infectious disease specialist at New York University further explaining to Rolling Stone that a ton of people are drawn to raw milk because it seems more natural. But saying drinking raw milk is about as natural as drinking water contaminated with raw sewage. Pasteurization is no more unnatural than cooking, refrigerating, or freezing food. We do all of these things to make food safer to consume. And to give some context here, before pasteurization standards were adopted a hundred years ago, 25% of foodborne illness in the United States

was related to dairy, but now dairy products only account for 1% of these illnesses, which is why you had one expert telling the Associated Press that drinking raw milk is kind of like playing Russian roulette, and the more you keep drinking, the more likely it is to get you.

And again, this as the raw milk crowd is not just the organic, crunchy natural wellness people anymore. It's now become a sort of flashpoint among the far right and anti-establishment crowds as well. With some drinking it to kind of just stick it to government agencies. With for example, Mark McAfee, owner of Raw Farm USA, telling the Associated Press,

"'People are seeking raw milk like crazy. "'Anything that the FDA tells our customers to do, "'they do the opposite.'" With the outlet also adding that sales of raw milk are increasing even as a new risk has entered the chat. Right, cases of bird flu were confirmed in US cattle in March, but in May, weekly sales of raw cow milk had ticked up

somewhere between 21 and 65% compared to the same time last year. And notably, the virus has been found in high levels in the raw milk of cows who were infected. Now that said, a few things. One, very importantly, the virus has killed and pasteurized milk. And two, it is still not clear if the virus

can be transmitted to humans via untreated milk. Right, some doctors think that it's unlikely we would get it this way, though others think that there's a possibility because cats on dairy farms have gotten bird flu, likely from raw milk. And so three, the overall consensus is that bird flu is definitely not the biggest concern

when it comes to raw milk, but it's still not worth the risk. With Dr. Megan Davis, an environmental epidemiologist at John Hopkins telling the New York Times, "'The precautionary approach would be "'to avoid raw dairy products altogether. "'We have so many unknowns.'" But despite both the unknown and well-known concerns,

raw milk sales are okayed in at least some capacity in most states, right? With some states allowing retail of it, others restricting it to farm sales or requiring pet food labeling. And again, this is not a red state versus blue state thing in terms of allowing sales. You've seen states on both sides of the aisle approving it. Though this as it has become a

political statement among the right and among others who just don't want to listen to or trust the government. With Matthew Motta, who studies health misinformation at Boston University, telling the Associated Press, it's not that people are stupid or ignorant or that they don't know what the science is. They're motivated to reject it on the basis of partisanship, their political ideology, their religion, their cultural values. And this is folks like James Fitzgerald, an associate professor of security studies at Dublin City University, told Rolling Stone that going against scientific consensus and government recommendations provides individuals with a sense of agency, freedom, and control. Noting it's one of the reasons why the topic taps into broad support among individuals who may not otherwise

support far-slash-extreme-right causes. Right, noting that it's similar to those who oppose vaccination during COVID. And this is you had one epidemiologist telling the outlet that there is a good reason a lot of people do not trust the US healthcare system. Right, it is profit first and accessible, difficult to navigate, and all of that pushes people to alternative guidance. But some, like Fitzgerald saying,

it also pushes people further into conspiracy, saying that anti-establishment groups can use the raw milk craze to boost other theories. Right, because it probably won't surprise you, but there are a ton of theories about liberal control of food sources. And once you can hook someone on something like raw milk, it might be easier to feed them that as well.

Yeah, with all that said, of course, I'd love to pass the question off to you. What are your thoughts regarding the whole raw milk situation? And you know, I'd really love to hear from people that both drink it and don't drink it. Except from you, Richard, you have already talked to me about it enough.

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Others noting that saying the news really steamrolled Phil. Another writing, you can tell how bad this is when you see the light die in Phil's eyes when going between the prerecorded ads and the current news. But then there's also as a number of people were commenting that they felt like I would be more overtly emotional. And actually with that, some friends who watch the show saying like, it almost made them feel like they were taking crazy pills because I seemingly wasn't showing emotion in the coverage. And with that, it almost made them feel like they were even more alone with

what they were feeling and going through. So I kind of want to hit this for a few things. First, that if you are feeling angry, sad, scared, dejected, I a hundred percent can. I personally felt dejected. Though I will say I oddly feel less anxious now than before the election. Because at least now I know what's happening. Right, I can plant my feet now and move forward. Because in this life, we just have to control

what we can control. And so for me right now, that's several things. Being there for friends and family who are concerned, but also game planning for this show for 2025, doing projects around the house. And as far as not showing emotion and coverage, I think that is a mixed thing. One, I try to keep my own feelings and my own emotions out of the stories. I think that comes from a sense of trying to be whatever I think fucking professional is. But then also too, as someone who in my life, like things just did not go my way for the first 25 years of it. I found that the best way forward for me personally, I'm not saying I do not recommend

this, was to compartmentalize my feelings and put it in a box and just focus on the work, which brings us back to control what you can control. But I say all this because I just want to make clear, please know that you are not alone in your feelings and your concerns right now. I don't know if any of this made sense or helped or whatever, but I just I wanted to comment on it if even one person was just feeling overwhelmed and disconnected. But on that possible note that maybe I hit, I will end the show by just saying, hey, guys, I love your face. Thank you for being a part of this. You are not alone. Stay safe out there. And I'll see you right back here on Monday.