The Philip DeFranco Show - PDS 6.19 Why People Are Freaking Out On Bella Hadid, Bella Thorne vs Whoopi, & Alaska's "Catfish"

Starting point is 00:00:00 Sup you beautiful bastards, hope you have a fantastic Wednesday. Welcome back to the Philip DeFranco Show and let's just jump into it. The first thing we're going to talk about today is this outrage story that when I first heard about it, I thought it was a troll. So as you may or may not have seen, Bella Hadid is racist was trending on Twitter this week. Bella Hadid, of course, a very popular and successful model. And as far as why people were saying that she was racist, it was because she posted this photo to her Instagram story. And if you are confused at this point, so was I. Personally, I look at that photo and I go, oh, she got new shoes? She's about to board another plane because she's an international

Starting point is 00:00:33 supermodel? But no, apparently a huge chunk of people were offended by this photo that had people saying, what Bella Hadid did is just unacceptable. Bella Hadid spreads hate. Was that if you look really closely, the heel of her shoe in the photo, it's pointed towards planes in the distance. There were Saudi Arabian and Emirates aircraft. Which in certain cultures, if you display the sole of your shoe towards someone, it's like the ultimate insult and it's like that thing

Starting point is 00:00:57 or that person, it's beneath dirt. And since this, not only did she face backlash, not only did people trend Bella Hadid is racist, but people have started adding brands that she works with demanding that they remove her. Also following all of this, Bella Hadid has apologized in English and Arabic. In one tweet writing, This was an honest mistake on an early morning. Never ever would I intentionally try to offend anyone like that. I am so sorry. A much longer post, once again throwing out apologies, as well as saying,

Starting point is 00:01:21 I promise I never noticed the planes in the background and that is the truth. Adding, Not only do I have so the planes in the background and that is the truth adding not Only do I have so much respect from the bottom of my heart I have always tried to stand up for what I feel is right, especially regarding the great Middle East and she says I hope you can understand the misunderstanding but still there are a good number of people not having it So I guess really to end this story. I have two main reactions one I think the outrage against Bella Hadid here because of this photo is incredibly fucking stupid It is a stretch to say that she is trying to convey

Starting point is 00:01:46 the message that people are saying she is conveying. And two, let's use this situation as a reminder that if we're going to talk about Saudi Arabia, that if we're gonna be outraged regarding something involving Saudi Arabia, there are much more important things to mention. Like the fact that Mohammed bin Salman, the crown prince of Saudi Arabia, aka Mohammed Bonesal,

Starting point is 00:02:02 is, according to reports, intelligence, the intelligence community, responsible for the death and murder of Jamal Khashoggi. This according to not only what we have seen in the past, but now also today, according to a UN expert as part of an independent investigation, has said there is sufficient credible evidence Saudi Arabia's crown prince bears responsibility

Starting point is 00:02:20 for the murder of journalist Jamal Khashoggi. With UN investigator Agnes Calamard saying that Saudi Arabia was responsible under international law for the quote, deliberate premeditated execution of Khashoggi and current sanctions on some senior officials do not go far enough. So hey, if we're gonna spend time getting angry about some Saudi Arabia news, maybe that.

Starting point is 00:02:38 Or yeah, no, focus on the supermodel who seemed to have her heel pointed towards pixelated planes in the distance. Yeah, that makes sense, That should be the priority. Then let's talk about an update around the Bella Thorne situation we covered earlier this week. If you didn't watch it,

Starting point is 00:02:49 the oversimplification of that story, Bella Thorne appeared to be hacked. That hacker then allegedly had nude photos of Bella Thorne. And so Bella Thorne said to take back her power, she just posted those photos herself. Initially saying that hackers should watch their back, that the FBI was coming. But then later in another interview saying

Starting point is 00:03:03 that the person sounded like they were a juvenile and so she doesn't want to ruin their life. And of course, following this news, there were a lot of reactions. There were people praising Bella, some blaming Bella, some saying they thought that this whole thing was fake because she has a book on pre-orders set to release,

Starting point is 00:03:15 people making accusations that this is a PR stunt. But one of the biggest, most noted, most focused on reactions to this story came from Whoopi Goldberg, who is speaking on The View. Listen, if you're famous, I don't care how old you are. You don't take nude pictures of yourself. You only want to share with one person. But she said, listen, when they're hacking you, they're hacking all of your stuff.

Starting point is 00:03:37 So whether it's one picture or a million pictures, once you take that picture, it goes into the cloud and it's available to any hacker who wants it. And if you don't know that in 2019, that this is an issue, you, I'm sorry, your age does not, you don't get to do that. And following that reaction, that became a story. Whoopi started trending.

Starting point is 00:04:01 Looking online, the reactions were once again, very split. One side, you have people like Katie Babs tweeting, Bella Thorne, do not feel beaten down. What Whoopi said is. Looking online, the reactions were once again very split. One side, you have people like Katie Babs tweeting, "'Bella Thorne, do not feel beaten down. "'What Whoopi said is not even worth your time. "'This isn't the 70s. "'Many of us are in long-distance relationships "'and nudes are a fucking thing. "'No shame here.

Starting point is 00:04:14 "'You're strong.'" But on the other side, you have people like Devon Franklin who tweeted, "'Whoopi is trending because she spoke the truth. "'If any nudes of mine are leaked, it's my fault. "'Period. "'I've looked 18 different ways for how she's wrong "'and I don't see it.

Starting point is 00:04:24 "'Hashtag not sorry not sorry and following this the story Continued because Bella Thorne responded to Whoopi Goldberg initially writing shame on you and writing a long reaction in the notes app saying Whoopi's Reaction is sick and honestly disgusting asking so what a girl can't send her boyfriend that she misses photos of her that are sexy things He's already seen adding I'm offended for anyone out there who has ever taken a sexy photo I'm offended for Jennifer Lawrence who feels publicly raped. I'm offended for every person who has committed suicide for someone leaking their nudes. Your view on this matter is honestly awful, and I hope you change your mindset as you are on a show talking to young girls. Then posting videos where you can see she's visibly distraught.

Starting point is 00:04:56 You know, I don't really want to go on The View anymore, because I don't really want to be beaten down by a bunch of older women for my body and my sexuality. I don't really feel like that. And so I'm going to cancel my interview because I don't really want you guys talking about your views to young girls because I would not want my daughter to learn that. And I would never say that to her. Shame on you, Whoopi. Shame on you. and shame on you for putting that public opinion just out there like that for every young girl to think that they're disgusting for even taking a photo like that. Saying if you take a sexy photo, then it basically deserves to get leaked. Like don't be surprised at all and don't feel sorry for yourself. So if I go out to a party drinking and I want to dance on the dance floor, do I

Starting point is 00:05:45 deserve to be raped too? Because to me, I see those two things really fucking similar. Okay. We then saw other influencers jumping in like the likes of Tana Mongeau responding, yo, fuck Whoopi Goldberg, fuck slut shaming, fuck blaming girls for bad things that happened to them and inciting fear. So at this point, I want to pass the question off to you. What are your thoughts around Whoopi Goldberg's thinking and response? Do you think that Whoopi was being disgusting, that it was slut-shaming, that it was essentially saying that someone was just kind of asking for it, you should have known better?

Starting point is 00:06:12 Or no, on the other side, do you agree with her? You think she makes sense? You think that Bella should have known better? I will say personally, while I have questions regarding the Bella Thorne situation, the words coming from Whoopi, it did feel somewhat like slut-shaming. If someone broke into Whoopi Goldberg's house and they stole her nice things, I wouldn't be like, well, you shouldn't have bought nice things in the first place, Whoopi, it did feel somewhat like slut shaming. Like if someone broke into Whoopi Goldberg's house and they stole her nice things, I wouldn't be like, well, you shouldn't have bought

Starting point is 00:06:27 nice things in the first place, Whoopi. People know you're rich, Whoopi. Sure, I know you have an alarm system and locks, but you should have known better. But at the same time, I will acknowledge, because I don't really have a dog in this fight, you could also compare what Whoopi Goldberg is saying here to the advice of don't wear your really nice,

Starting point is 00:06:40 expensive stuff when walking through an incredibly bad neighborhood. Maybe you're not necessarily blaming the victim, but you're trying to give them some real-world advice because bad people do exist. Although I guess in this scenario, this comparison, we're saying that the entirety of the internet is a bad place, which I won't completely argue against. It does at times feel like a just scary toxic dumpster fire. Yeah, I think for me with these stories, my focus ends up being on the people that committed the crimes rather than the culpability of the victim Hey, that's also kind of the point of this show That's the story a little bit of my personal takeaway the different sides of this and I now I'd love to hear from you

Starting point is 00:07:12 What are your thoughts on this? Where do you land on this? Why the last thing we're gonna talk about today You know how they're there those stories of those videos that pop up and you're like, oh man faith and humanity restored Well, this is the opposite of that. So this story, this news, it takes place in Alaska. According to court documents, 18-year-old Denali Bremer invited her best friend Cynthia Cece Hoffman on a hike to Thunderbird Falls on June 2nd. Bremer's friend, 16-year-old Caden McIntosh joins them along the way.

Starting point is 00:07:36 And on that hike, McIntosh allegedly helped Bremer bind Hoffman's feet, hands, and mouth with duct tape, and then shot her in the back of the head when they reached their destination. Then, after murdering Hoffman, the teens allegedly dumped the body into a nearby river. Then, according to authorities, Brehmer texted Hoffman's family to say that they were dropping their daughter off at the park. But then she and McIntosh allegedly burned Hoffman's belongings

Starting point is 00:07:53 at another location. And according to Cynthia's father, his daughter was vulnerable because she had a developmental disability that made her operate at a seventh grade level, saying her disability just made her want to have friends. That's all she wanted was just to be her friend. Now, of course, with this story, there is the massive question of why? Why would they do this? And according to authorities it's connected to a 21 year old Indiana man by the name of Darren Schillmiller who convinced the teens to carry out the attack. Reportedly Brehmer and Schillmiller met online and they developed a relationship and he reportedly told Brehmer that his name was Tyler, he provided fake photos, and he said that he was a millionaire who lived in

Starting point is 00:08:24 Kansas. And at a point in this relationship, he then allegedly offered her $9 million or more to rape and murder someone in Alaska and send him photos and videos of the killing. Right, so this is a catfishing story, but on crack. So following this offer, Brehmer then allegedly recruited other friends to help her carry out the attack, which regarding that, authorities say that along

Starting point is 00:08:42 with McIntosh, Brehmer, and Schillmiller, three other suspects have been charged. And of those other three involved, two are juveniles and one has been identified as 19-year-old Caleb Leyland. Police say that these other teens agreed to participate because they believed that they would each receive a cut of the payment, though at this time, police have not clearly explained what role each had,

Starting point is 00:08:58 although we did learn that Leyland told police that he'd been promised $500,000 for his role. Also, according to authorities, Bremer only learned that Tyler wasn't who he said he was until after her arrest. In fact, when she was first questioned by police on June 6th, Bremmer allegedly claimed that she had gone to Thunderbird Falls

Starting point is 00:09:11 with Hoffman and McIntosh to just take pictures of each other wrapped in duct tape, claiming that she had no idea that McIntosh planned to shoot Hoffman. But according to prosecutors, once Bremmer realized she had been catfished by Schillmiller, she ultimately admitted to being solicited by Schillmiller to commit the murder and that the murder was planned.

Starting point is 00:09:25 Also after searching Brehmer's cell phone, they found a lot. Investigators uncovered sexually explicit photos and text messages between her and the catfish. They also found directions from Schillmiller on how Brehmer should sexually assault a child for his viewing pleasure. Regarding that, Brehmer said that he had directed her

Starting point is 00:09:38 to sexually assault two minors, one who was eight or nine years old and the other one who was 15. Regarding this, FBI agents said that they were unable to find videos of the younger child. But they did find that Bremmer had actually sent Schillmiller child pornography that featured the 15-year-old victim.

Starting point is 00:09:50 Also regarding Schillmiller, upon his arrest, he allegedly admitted that he had picked Hoffman as Bremmer's victim and said that they discussed murdering someone else after killing Hoffman, but later abandoned that plan. Also telling officials that they had planned this murder for three weeks and said that Bremmer was in full communication with him during the killing,

Starting point is 00:10:03 including sending him Snapchat photos and videos. And according to prosecutors, Schillmiller also allegedly admitted that he had plans to blackmail Brehmer into raping people after the murder. And so he was just going to keep this going. But with all that said, ultimately where we are right now, you have six defendants being charged with murder and conspiracy charges.

Starting point is 00:10:18 Schillmiller and Brehmer have also been indicted on first degree solicitation to commit murder charges. Additionally, Brehmer and McIntosh were hit with charges for tampering with physical evidence. And finally, Schillmiller and Bremer are also facing child pornography charges and Schillmiller is awaiting extradition to Alaska. Now, as far as what Bremer has to say for herself

Starting point is 00:10:33 in a June 8th court appearance, she said, quote, "'I know what I did was wrong, "'and I know I could have probably done something different "'if I was able to. "'And I don't want my daughter knowing "'that her mom grew up to be a killer "'because I don't see myself as one.'" Now, of course, the counter to that is, well, you are.

Starting point is 00:10:45 Not only are you a killer, but you killed a vulnerable young woman who just wanted a friend. And I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say, that baby is a million times better off without you. In my opinion, the only thing you are deserving of is to be locked in a hole and used as an example of what trash is.

Starting point is 00:11:00 That's it, we only get this one life and you took that away from someone else. So I want nothing more than to see yours waste away. But, on that happy note, that's where we're going to end today's show. And of course, if you liked this video, I love if you took a second to hit that like button. If you're new here, definitely hit that subscribe button, ring that bell to turn on notifications. But on that note, if you missed yesterday's Philip DeFranco show, you want to catch up, you can click or tap right there to watch that. But, with that said, of course, as always, my name's Philip DeFranco, you've just been filled in, I love yo faces, and I'll see you tomorrow.

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The Philip DeFranco Show - PDS 6.19 Why People Are Freaking Out On Bella Hadid, Bella Thorne vs Whoopi, & Alaska's "Catfish"

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