The Philip DeFranco Show - PDS 6.5 TRUMP THREATENED ELON! Musk Accuses Trump of Being in Epstein Files & Should Be Impeached!

Episode Date: June 5, 2025

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Starting point is 00:01:32 to the Epstein files and co-signing a tweet that said Trump should be impeached. New bombshell updates on Luigi Mangione and the New York City mayor's race. While local just exposed a lot about the future for the Democrats in the country as Cuomo and Mamdani went at it. We're talking about all that and much more
Starting point is 00:01:48 on today's brand new Philip DeFranco show. You daily dive into the news. But first, we haven't done this in a while, but yesterday y'all took to the comments and said you can't elect a clown and then get angry when the circus comes to town is a banger ass quote that has to be put on a shirt. Just that one comment getting over a thousand likes.
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Starting point is 00:02:17 You know what? If you snag it within the first 10 hours, you can get it for $10 on. But with that said, there is a lot to talk about today starting with this. So I was wrong. I'll admit that. Because Donald Trump and Elon Musk
Starting point is 00:02:28 are now openly taking huge shots at one another. Like this doesn't look like the end of the honeymoon phase. This looks like they went straight to divorce. And I just did not see that happening at least for a few years. Like when you drop over $200 million to get a guy elected, you think, okay, they're gonna be on the same page. Right now, what we're seeing is a lot of it boiling down
Starting point is 00:02:47 to the fact that Musk is just not happy about Trump's big, beautiful bill and how much it'll increase America's debt. Because as we've talked about, some estimates claim that it'll go up by $3 trillion. With Musk then calling the bill a disgusting abomination, writing yesterday, "'This spending bill contains the largest increase
Starting point is 00:03:01 in the debt ceiling in U.S. history. It is the debt slavery bill.'" And that, I mean, it's just a small taste of what he's been throwing out there. Musk has been nonstop posting about this for the past 24 hours. And while Trump had largely remained silent, it appears that it had gotten under his skin
Starting point is 00:03:15 with him now saying things like. You saw a man who was very happy when he stood behind the oval desk and even with the black eye, I said, do you want a little makeup? We'll get you a little makeup. But he said, no, I don't think so, which is interesting. Elon and I had a great relationship.
Starting point is 00:03:34 I don't know if we're well anymore. What's wrong then going on to add? They picked him, I would have won Pennsylvania, I won it by a lot. But I'm very disappointed because Elon knew the inner workings of this bill better than almost anybody sitting here, better than you people.
Starting point is 00:03:49 One of the things that was wild is that while Trump was doing that, Elon was actually replying, writing things like, without me, Trump would have lost the election, Dems would control the house, and the Republicans would be 5149 in the Senate. Such ingratitude.
Starting point is 00:04:01 Trump then went on to claim that Musk was only mad about the bill because EV spending was cut and that would cost him billions of dollars, to which Musk replied, "'Whatever, keep the EV solar incentive cuts in the bill, even though no oil and gas subsidies are touched. Very unfair, but ditch the mountain of disgusting pork in the bill.
Starting point is 00:04:16 In the entire history of civilization, there has never been legislation both big and beautiful. Everyone knows this. Now do you get a big and ugly bill or a slim and beautiful bill? Slim and beautiful is the way. You then also had Trump claiming that none of this should have been a surprise to Musk.
Starting point is 00:04:29 He knew every aspect of this bill. He knew it better than almost anybody. And he never had a problem until right after he left. However, you had Musk denying knowing anything about the bill and pointing out that it was released and passed so fast that even members of Congress didn't read it. You know, now we're at the stage where Musk
Starting point is 00:04:44 is digging up old Trump tweets and reposting them where you had Trump criticizing large spending bills and writing things like wise words. And where is the man who wrote these words? Was he replaced by a body double? Where is this guy today? And then in classic Elon Musk fashion, he put out a poll about whether to start
Starting point is 00:04:59 a new political party that represents the 80% in the middle, which hey, I think would be a very, very interesting test. Though I'm not even sure Musk's vast wealth could break the two party system in the United States. With all that said, as far as the here and now, we're gonna have to wait to see where this goes, but to just give my opinion, I am personally gonna just sit back,
Starting point is 00:05:15 get some popcorn and enjoy the show because this looks like it's gonna get so nasty. I mean, literally, as I filmed that line Donald Trump just put out, the easiest way to save money in our budget, billions and billions of dollars, is to terminate Elon's governmental subsidies and contracts.'
Starting point is 00:05:32 I was always surprised that Biden didn't do it." And adding, "'Elon was wearing thin. I asked him to leave. I took away his EV mandate that forced everyone to buy electric cars that nobody else wanted, that he knew for months I was going to do, and he just went crazy, which was followed by Musk dropping possibly
Starting point is 00:05:48 the biggest bomb he could, writing, "'Donald Trump is in the Epstein files. That is the real reason they have not been made public. Have a nice day, DJT.'" He then also added that because Trump threatened to cancel Musk's government contracts, SpaceX was going to start decommissioning Dragon spacecraft immediately.
Starting point is 00:06:04 Not to mention that he's been making statements like agreeing that Trump should be impeached and replaced by vans, or that Trump's tariffs will lead to a recession this year. This term has also led to Tesla stock plummeting. And for his part, Trump added that he doesn't mind Elon turned against him, but he should have done so months ago.
Starting point is 00:06:18 And at the same time, Trump's allies have been lashing out. Steve Bannon, of course, has long been critical of Musk. And now he's demanding that Musk actually be deported because he thinks that Musk lied to stay in the US, which actually isn't a new claim because it's long been suspected that Musk worked on his company in the nineties rather than being a student
Starting point is 00:06:33 like his visa required. See how buckle up, enjoy the ride, and in the meantime, let me know your thoughts in those comments down below. But then next up today in big break in Luigi Mangione news, we may have finally learned about the motivation behind the alleged assassination of United Healthcare CEO, Brian Thompson. Because while his manifesto had already been leaked
Starting point is 00:06:50 by a single journalist and was unconfirmed, and in that you saw things like him claiming that this was all pretty trivial to plan out and involve some basic social engineering. But now you have New York prosecutors releasing notes that they say Mangione rode that make his motive even less in doubt. And it's longer than what was initially leaked.
Starting point is 00:07:05 With Mangione allegedly writing things like, "'So you want to rebel against the deadly, "'greed-fueled health insurance cartel? "'Do you bomb the HQ?' "'No, bombs equal terrorism.' With him then appearing to go on to state that he definitely wanted to do the killing at the annual parasitic bean counter convention
Starting point is 00:07:18 and adding, "'It's targeted, precise, "'and doesn't risk innocence.' "'Most importantly, the point is self-evident. "'The point is made in the news headline, insurance CEO killed at annual investors conference. Frankly, these parasites simply had it coming and adding to the feds, it had to be done. When you have the feds saying that these writings,
Starting point is 00:07:33 they helped their case a lot. I'm saying it's essentially a self-snitch by Mangione if this writing is actually his, which is why the prosecutors have come out and said, if ever there were an open and shut case pointing to defendants guilt, this case is that case. Simply put, one would be hard pressed to find a case with such overwhelming evidence of guilt
Starting point is 00:07:49 as to the identity of the murderer and premeditated nature of the assassination. With him then going on to add that Thompson was solely chosen because he was a symbol of what Mangione allegedly considered a deadly greed fueled cartel. Right, and with all that, if all of that is true, you have many saying that in some ways Mangione did succeed in his mission.
Starting point is 00:08:04 Or beyond killing a man, after the assassination, you saw a much more frank and open discussion about health insurance in the United States. And while there's been some time and you've seen certain sentiments of certain people shifting, Mangione has garnered a lot of sympathy from the public. With that appearing to be connected with seemingly almost every American
Starting point is 00:08:20 having some sort of frustrating or horrible experience with health insurance in the country. Also another place you saw an impact was with United Healthcare stock. Because despite their CEO literally being the victim of an assassination, they're still the ones getting backlash from the attack. Right at the time we saw people writing stuff like,
Starting point is 00:08:33 thoughts and deductibles to the family. Unfortunately, my condolences are out of network. And you have YouGov polls showing that the company's approval rating is down into the 30% range, which is the lowest since they've started tracking. Their stock then also taking a beating as the leadership there continues to wobble back and forth with various resignations. So much so that over the past six months,
Starting point is 00:08:49 the value of United Healthcare Group, which is the parent company, is down over 40%, which is just an insane drop over that timeframe, especially when you consider that at the time of Thompson's death, the company was making record profits. So on that note, it slowed down since then, and back in April, you had leadership telling investors
Starting point is 00:09:04 that growth was going to slow down. With that then leading to a massive 22% drop in the stock price and it wiped out $100 billion in value. You know, with all that said for now, the main thing is, you know, Mangione might be screwed if these writings are true and are his since they would be a clear admission. But for now we wait to see.
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Starting point is 00:11:04 Mr. Cuomo, solutions to public- He's too invulnerable. As you can tell, though, it was nice and orderly. Right, and while that's for a local election, it's an important snapshot of the current moment for the Democrats. Though I'll also say, while there were nine Democrats up on stage,
Starting point is 00:11:15 you could really argue that it was Andrew Cuomo versus everyone else, which makes sense because the former governor has enjoyed a double-digit lead over all the other candidates in nearly every poll so far. Plus, he's had wealthy donors pouring millions of dollars into his campaign. So naturally everyone was ganging up on him.
Starting point is 00:11:29 It's not only that Andrew Cuomo lied to Congress, which is perjury. He also lied to the grieving families whose loved ones he sent into those nursing homes to protect his $5 million book deal. The people who don't feel safe are young women, mothers and grandmothers around Andrew Cuomo. That's the greatest threat to public safety.
Starting point is 00:11:48 The billionaires and the profitable corporations that Mr. Cuomo cares more about than working class New Yorkers. Not the luxury developers that fund Andrew Cuomo's campaign. But if one person did stick out from that group, it's gotta be Zoran Mbamdani. He's a New York state representative, but he's also carved out a reputation
Starting point is 00:12:05 as the most progressive candidate in the race with him even calling himself a socialist. He's been rising in the polls. AOC just endorsed him today with her telling the New York Times that he has demonstrated a real ability on the ground to put together a coalition of working class New Yorkers at his strongest to lead the pack.
Starting point is 00:12:20 Also hitting Cuomo saying he belongs to the hedge funds and other wealthy interests. And all of this says at first, from Donnie's success, it seemed like a long shot, but he's quickly shot to second place in the polls, largely thanks to an energetic social media campaign, support from young progressives and an eye-catching policy platform.
Starting point is 00:12:36 But among other proposals, he's got things like raising taxes on the rich, making city buses free, opening city run grocery stores, and freezing rents for some tenants. And so what we saw is that he and Cuomo got heated at many points in this two hour debate, starting on the first topic, Donald Trump. Because with the ICE raids on immigrants,
Starting point is 00:12:51 the suspension of federal funds and the attacks on Columbia University, not to mention the DOJ's investigation into Cuomo, Trump's presence, it loomed large over the debate stage. With then each candidate trying to make the case that they were the best person to stand up to the president. I am the last person on this stage that Mr. Trump wants to see as mayor.
Starting point is 00:13:11 I am Donald Trump's worst nightmare as a progressive Muslim immigrant who actually fights for the things that I believe in. And the difference between myself and Andrew Cuomo is that my campaign is not funded by the very billionaires who put Donald Trump in D.C. Donald Trump would go through, Mr. Mondami, like a hot knife through butter. He's been in government 27 minutes. He passed three bills. That's all he's done. He has no experience with Washington.
Starting point is 00:13:36 Look, it's true that I don't have experience with corrupt Trump billionaires who are funding my campaign. I don't have experience with party politics and insider consultants. I do have experience, however, with winning $450 million in debt relief for thousands of working class taxi drivers. But pretty quickly, the focus shifted on to Cuomo himself
Starting point is 00:13:53 and the myriad of scandals that he's dealt with over the years. Starting with the accusation leveled by Republicans and some Democrats that his administration let COVID run rampant in nursing homes and then covered up the deaths. Will you acknowledge the deaths? Okay. I mean, it's a very black and white. Did covered up the deaths. Will you acknowledge the deaths? Okay.
Starting point is 00:14:05 I mean, it's a very black and white. Did you lie to Congress or will you acknowledge the deaths? 15,000 people died and he still won't answer your question. No, I told Congress the truth. No, we did not under count any deaths when they are all counted. We're number 38 out of 50. Then you had the moderator pinning him down
Starting point is 00:14:23 on a report that his government released at the time that was accused of undercounting deaths. Just the question is, were you involved in the producing of that report? It's just a yes or no question. I was very aware of the report. I spoke to it at press conferences. No, before it was released, Mr. Cuomo,
Starting point is 00:14:38 the question is about the production of the report. Okay, we're gonna move on. We're not getting an answer. Then you had Cuomo pressed on the sexual harassment allegations that led to him resigning. But instead of addressing that, he just talked about mental health and homelessness.
Starting point is 00:14:51 Every woman watching tonight, he was just given a chance to actually address the clear claims that were stated and ignored it. And then finally you had the moderator asking everyone if they had any personal regrets. And I emphasize personal there because Cuomo, he took the opportunity to lament how the Democratic party as a whole
Starting point is 00:15:09 let Donald Trump get elected and created people like Zoran Mamdani. I said, I regret the state of the Democratic party is in that we elected Trump. Not the 15th. No regrets when it comes to cutting Medicaid or healthcare. No regrets when it comes to cutting childcare. No regrets when it comes to cutting child care. No regrets when it comes to slow walking PPE
Starting point is 00:15:27 and vaccinations in the season of COVID to black and brown communities. Really, no regrets. It is just not accurate. Medicaid went up under me. I led the nation under COVID. Also, you know, I should know that Cuomo, he wasn't the only one getting targeted, right?
Starting point is 00:15:41 One of the other candidates went after Mamdani as well. That when a socialist like Zoran here tweets that the NYPD is quote wicked and calls to defund and dismantle the NYPD, that that is madness, that is costing us elections. It's why Trump has doubled his share of the New York City vote in the last three elections from 17% to 30%. We've got to move away from the far left and the socialism that's sinking our party and our city. Brief response, Mr. Mondani.
Starting point is 00:16:10 I want to be very clear that police have a critical role to play in creating public safety. And when I speak to those very officers on the beat, in the rank and file, I hear from them a frustration that where they joined the force to tackle serious crimes, we are instead now asking them to play the roles of mental health professionals and social workers. You also had Cuomo Jepigan to give his position on police reform. Police. We wouldn't need more police if we didn't defund them in the first place.
Starting point is 00:16:36 In my first 30 days, I will take every homeless person off the trains and the subway stations and get them the help they need. And then a standout is that when the moderator asks everyone where they would go for their first sworn visit as mayor, people gave answers like Canada, Columbia, the Caribbean, but then you had Cuomo saying Israel. Given the hostility and the anti-Semitism
Starting point is 00:16:57 that has been shown in New York, I would go to Israel. So when Mamdani, as a critic of Israel, gave this rather unique answer. I would stay in New York City. My plans are to address New Yorkers across the five boroughs and focus on that. He naturally invited the moderator to press him on whether he would visit Israel,
Starting point is 00:17:12 to which he said he would meet and support Jewish constituents here in New York. But then she got even more specific. Are there concerns? And just guess or no, do you believe in a Jewish state of Israel? I believe Israel has the right to exist. Not as a Jewish state. As a state with equal rights. He won't believe Israel has the right to exist. Not as a Jewish state?
Starting point is 00:17:25 As a state with equal rights. He won't say it has a right to exist. Does a Jewish state be very clear on that? And his answer was no, he won't visit Israel. Then we also saw them digging into more domestic issues, like public education, for example. We need to reform the education system. I would start with the DOE.
Starting point is 00:17:40 They spend hundreds of million dollars on consultants. We don't know what we get. I want a real analysis of the curriculum. New York City solves and New York City reads. We need more paraprofessionals in those schools. Now as it pertains to public education, all of the challenges that we are facing in our city when it comes to our schools, they are also downstream from the fact that 500,000 of our children are going to sleep hungry every single night. 100,000 of them for the ninth consecutive year are now homeless.
Starting point is 00:18:10 They also touched on the cost of living, particularly housing affordability. If you are one of the close to two and a half million New Yorkers who live in rent stabilized housing, I will freeze your rent. And on top of this, we're going to build 200,000 truly affordable homes. We'll do this while taking on the very bad landlords and the real estate developers who are funding Andrew Cuomo's campaign. Two and a half million dollars last time I checked. With Cuomo then responding. The Daily News said that his plan to finance his proposals, it violates the constitutional
Starting point is 00:18:42 debt cap of the city of New York. It would double the state taxes. And there was no way the state is going to pass a tax statewide. Okay, thank you Mr. Moore. We have to- You know, with all that, it's gonna be very interesting to see what happens
Starting point is 00:18:56 because the primary itself is coming up on June 24th. I mean, that's just around the corner. And then after that, Eric Adams is gonna be in the mix because he's in the general running as an independent. So you know, get your popcorn ready, more fireworks to come. But then next step from that, Eric Adams is gonna be in the mix because he's in the general running as an independent. So you know, get your popcorn ready, more fireworks to come. But then next step from that,
Starting point is 00:19:09 Donald Trump's travel ban is now back and honestly, it's bigger than ever. With the White House now banning travel to the US for citizens of 12 countries, as well as barring those from seven others from settling permanently or even entering on tourists and student visas. And as far as who's affected here,
Starting point is 00:19:22 the majority of countries are in Africa, in the Middle East, and the rest are in South America, the Caribbean and Asia, right? Most of them they're racked by conflict or ruled by repressive regimes and more than half are also Muslim majority nations. And I point that out, because the first time that Trump tried something like this
Starting point is 00:19:36 was back in 2017 when he banned travel exclusively from Muslim majority countries, seven of them. Or with this coming after he had called for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States during his campaign. And what we ended up seeing, there were lawyers and activists immediately challenging
Starting point is 00:19:48 the so-called Muslim ban in court, some judges blocking them, the administration then coming out with a couple of different versions, and ultimately the Supreme Court upheld the ban. But then, of course, Joe Biden became president and he quickly ended that, and many of Trump's other controversial immigration policies, which then, of course, have returned in full force
Starting point is 00:20:03 with Trump and then some. You know, a big thing here is that while we've seen much of Trump's current immigration agenda getting held up by judges, you have many experts here claiming that this latest version of the travel ban, it's more likely to withstand legal scrutiny than during his first term.
Starting point is 00:20:15 With the Singh, for example, Stephen Vladeck, a professor at Georgetown University Law Center explaining, they seem to have learned some lessons from the three different rounds of litigation we went through during the first Trump administration. Then also adding a lot will depend upon how it's actually enforced and whether it's applied in ways
Starting point is 00:20:28 that are themselves unlawful or even unconstitutional. And so with that, we should talk about specifics. Because the presidential proclamation detailing the ban, it says that it's about protecting the US from what it calls terrorist attacks and other national security or public safety threats. Was then saying that the countries on the list lack sufficient vetting and screening processes
Starting point is 00:20:44 to detect foreign nationals who may pose safety or terrorism threats to the US. And then it also claims that a country's information sharing policies, the presence of terrorists, visa overstay rates, and whether citizens who are sent back are readily accepted are all factors that play into the decision-making process. Though there, some have raised questions
Starting point is 00:21:00 about whether the countries were chosen for other reasons as well, with CNN, for example, saying, "'They're mostly nations with frosty, adversarial, or outwardly antagonistic relations with Washington.'" With then the West Africa Bureau Chief of the New York Times, for example, asking, "'Why Chad, which at least held an election last year, albeit a highly scripted and disputed one,
Starting point is 00:21:17 and not the three nearby countries ruled by military juntas, Mali, Burkina Faso, and Niger?' And, which I'll add, also are dealing with terrorist groups. Also, you have the White House actually releasing a video of Trump announcing the travel ban that started with him talking about what happened in Boulder, Colorado over the weekend. And we talked about it on the show.
Starting point is 00:21:33 You had a guy yelling, free Palestine attacking a group gathering to raise attention for the hostages in Gaza with a makeshift flamethrower and Molotov cocktails. And luckily no one died there, but it injured several, including a Holocaust survivor reportedly. The recent terror attack in Boulder, Colorado has underscored the extreme dangers posed to our country
Starting point is 00:21:51 by the entry of foreign nationals who are not properly vetted, as well as those who come here as temporary visitors and overstay their visas. We don't want them. Though I will say a notable thing is that the man charging the assault, he's actually an Egyptian national in Egypt, it's not a country that's named
Starting point is 00:22:08 in the new travel ban. You then also had organizations like the Cato Institute arguing that terrorism, as scary as it is, isn't actually all that big of a threat in the US, at least statistically. With also an analyst from the think tank writing after the announcement, a single terrorist from the countries on the list
Starting point is 00:22:21 murdered one person in an attack on US soil, and adding the annual chance of being murdered by a terrorist from one of the banned countries from 1975 to the end of 2024 was about one in 13.9 billion per year. You know, with all that said and the debate continuing to play out online, here's the deal,
Starting point is 00:22:37 the ban is going to go in effect on June 9th. And so as far as what else we know around this, the administration said that no immigrant or non-immigrant visa issued before the date will be revoked Also another big thing is that there are a number of exceptions things like for example US permanent residents dual citizens and athletes traveling to attend major sporting events There's also carve outs for adoptions diplomats and visiting officials and even ethnic and religious minorities facing persecution in Iran
Starting point is 00:22:58 We're also seeing exception for immediate family members with quote clear and convincing evidence of identity and family relationship with the administration providing DNA is the only example of what might constitute this kind of evidence, which then sounded off alarms for some experts who said that there are concerns related to privacy and consent there, as well as people bring up the argument that not all families are biological.
Starting point is 00:23:17 And then some news that's actually connected to that, you have ICE reportedly now planning to start collecting and uploading the DNA information of migrants, including children to a national criminal database. Something that one expert called a massive expansion of genetic surveillance. With rights groups absolutely slamming the plan as intrusive and privacy violating
Starting point is 00:23:32 and also expressing concern that this could be a way to separate children from non-parent adults who care for them. But I wanna get back to the travel ban because one final key exception that I should mention is for Afghan special immigrant visas. Those have been given out to people who helped the US government during the war in Afghanistan. Which you have many saying is great,
Starting point is 00:23:47 but also groups like Human Rights First claiming that other at-risk Afghans will be impacted by this hateful ban and saying, "'Many are at grave risk due to the deteriorating conditions in country and many have been waiting for years to reunite with loved ones in the United States.'" And all of that taken together resulting in Amnesty International saying that President Trump's
Starting point is 00:24:03 new travel ban is discriminatory, racist, and downright cruel. The President of Oxfam America saying, "'This policy is not about national security. "'It is about sowing division and vilifying communities "'that are seeking safety and opportunity "'in the United States.'" And finally, Adam Schiff saying, "'Biggatry is not a national security strategy.'"
Starting point is 00:24:18 But for now, we'll have to wait to see how this plays out in the two courts, the real courts, and of course, the court of public opinion. Though there, what I'd say is that something it stands out is the reaction to it now versus then. Because as you might remember, when the first Trump travel ban happened, it was the biggest news in the world at the time.
Starting point is 00:24:34 You had lawyers and activists rushing to the airport in the middle of the night, people taken to streets. And now it's being received with the energy of the fourth story down on a page. But there's so much happening at all times, the zone's getting flooded, people have news fatigue. But for now, we wait and we watch. But that is where today's show is gonna end.
Starting point is 00:24:51 Thank you for watching and I'll see you right back here on Monday, because I got a brand new show for you every Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday at 6 p.m. Eastern, 3 p.m. Pacific. Love you, mean it, bye.

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