The Philip DeFranco Show - PDS 7.27 Joe Rogan CONTROVERSY & Backlash, Doctors Are Flooding Social Media w/ Bikini Pics, More

Episode Date: July 27, 2020

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Sup you beautiful bastards, hope you've had a fantastic Monday. Welcome back to the Philip DeFranco show. Buckle up, hit that like button, and let's just jump into it. The first thing we're gonna talk about today is just something I'm gonna knock out of the way so every comment is not about it. No, I do not have some sort of flesh-eating disease, and I was not bitten by an oddly toothed... Teethed? Toothed vampire. This is just an oddly placed and one of the smallest injuries I got from last Thursday. I, to steal the joke that everyone made on Twitter,

decided to fill in an LA pothole with my boosted scooter and flip. I banged up my knees, my elbows. I have some fun road rash right here that I won't bother you with, but you can see it on Twitter if you want for some reason. It's bad enough that I think YouTube might demonetize this video,

but not that bad if you had like a kind of fun childhood. Yeah, I'm healing up. As of this morning, I was able to walk around without an ankle compression brace on my right foot. So I'm in a fantastic mood. But with that said, let's jump into the actual first story, which is we had Joe Rogan in the news over a thing that he called a real problem.

And as far as what that thing is, I'll just let him explain it in a clip that has now just gone massively viral and video games are a real problem they're a real problem you know why because they're in fun and you don't yeah well i'm i have a real problem with them and you you you do them and they're real exciting but you don't get anywhere right it's like you could do like like martial arts right you could learn jiu-jitsu you get obsessed by j by jujitsu. And then three years later, you're like an elite jujitsu athlete.

Like you're entering in competitions. You're a purple belt. You're moving up. Yeah, you're doing well. You're thinking like, I might be able to open my own school one day. You got confidence. Yeah, if I have a hundred students

and those hundred students are paying me X amount of dollars per month, I can make a living. Holy shit, I can have a, this would be amazing. And then you see your jujitsu school and your jujitsu instructor has all these students and drives a Mercedes and he's got a nice family and like, that's the future. This way you're doing something exciting and fun and you don't, or you could just be playing

fucking video games. Three years later, you could be that same kid just playing video games, waiting for the next VIX, whatever the game is, you know, next Xbox game to come out, and you're gonna waste your time. So that podcast goes out on the 24th. That clip is posted to Twitter on the 26th. Primarily that is where it is blown up. And one of the main reactions we saw there

was a lot of backlash from the gaming community. And here's what I'll say, looking into the story, going to the actual podcast, seeing, you know, what came before and after this clip, so I could fully understand what was being talked about. I personally think and would argue Rogan is right and wrong. So the first area I'll touch on is gaming as a profession. One of the arguments I saw a lot of people making initially

was, hey, I, or look at this other streamer or professional, whatever player, they make a ton of money. You're gonna tell them they have no value. But actually in Joe Rogan's podcast, just after this clip, he talks about how a lot of people are making a ton of money, even pushing back against the idea that, you know, it's just a one in a billion if you succeed that way.

Acknowledging that his parents said something similar about him going into comedy. There are kids that make a lot of money playing video games. But the thing is like, you have to be adaptable. You have to be able to play multiple video games because the one video game that you get really good at, what are the odds that's gonna be around five years from now? Though here I will say to a certain degree

I do agree with Tyler Ninja Blevins who made a video about this. And there to kind of oversimplify Blevins argues that Joe Rogan is kind of short-sighted on all of the potential jobs and opportunities and successes people can have in the industry. Right saying there's a far greater range of opportunities than just being the best of the best at eSports or entertaining or highest earning e-sports players. But also looking at this clip, I felt like Joe Rogan was talking about the far greater majority of people who do other stuff, but then just play a ton of games.

Even referencing Quake, which he's talked about in the past, he feels incredibly addicted to. And here, what I'll say as someone who loves playing video games, and it has nothing to do with the way that I make money anymore. It's not the way that people know me. I'm not trying to build my brand that way.

I personally see video games much like a movie, probably more closely to binging a TV show. It is an entertaining escape for me. Let's say two hours at a time, I get to turn off. I don't have to be a boss, a host, a presenter, a manager, a father, a husband. I don't have to be anything. The weight of the world can be right behind that door,

but I'm gonna experience some form of entertainment. It's escapism. I think of it as almost rest and recovery for my brain. I guess to put it into words that Rogan would relate to, right, he's all about fitness. If you talk to someone that's in really great shape, they'll say, what's important? Diet, exercise, recovery.

And secondarily with video games, and I also think it's more important than ever because of this pandemic, it's a social tool to some degree for a number of people. There are friends that I would say at this point, a third of our conversations probably happen while we're playing Warzone. But all of that said, where I will say,

I think that Rogan is right, is if you're not where you wanna be in your life, you're not making headway towards that goal of yours, but you are watching hours and hours of Netflix a day, or you're playing video games all day, then yeah, that's a problem, but it is a problem that we see in far more areas than just specifically video games.

It's a conversation we see about a lot of things regarding moderation versus excess. It's about balance, personal awareness, personal responsibility. But also, I do think we need to fight against this idea that everything that you do in life needs to get you money in some way or be progress. Sometimes you just gotta recover and do something

that doesn't necessarily mean anything. And honestly, if there's something around right now that's helping people survive, I say great. Once again, I'm not going in on Rogan here because I believe that he's speaking about this from a personal standpoint. In fact, in an episode a few weeks ago, Rogan said that he had a problem playing with video games,

even kind of comparing it to an addiction for him. I have a real problem with video games. We have a whole video game room back there, like a LAN room. I don't even go in there anymore. I just take away from it like I'm an alcoholic and it's a bar. I can't go in there.

Tell him, Jamie. We were playing hours every day to the point Jamie was telling me I had a problem. He would leave. He'd be like, I'm not playing anymore. I'm like, where you going? So to me, when Rogan talks about the dangers of video games, it feels like someone who has a problem with alcohol

talking about alcohol. Everyone else who can't relate to that experience is going, what the hell are you talking about? But all that said, that's a story, some of my personal takeaway. And of course, I pass the question off to you. What are your thoughts here? Do you agree with Joe Rogan across the board?

Do you disagree with him across the board? Do you think, or do you kind of land with me? You think yes and no, it's situational. Also, why do you have that opinion? Is it based off of your own personal experience, what you've witnessed with friends and family? What? But from that, I want to share some stuff I love today

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of everything I just shared, the secret link of the day, really anything at all, links as always are in the description down below. And then let's talk about this weird story about healthcare workers, professionalism, and what we post on social media. Okay, so back in December, the Journal of Vascular Surgery published this paper online.

Prevalence of unprofessional social media content among young vascular surgeons. However, it pretty much flew under the radar until this month when it appeared in the August edition of the journal. And following that, you had a lot of people pissed off, some accusing the study of sexism and stalking. So let's go through this study.

It was conducted in January and February of 2018. According to the authors, the goal of this paper was to quote, "'Evaluate the extent of unprofessional social media content among recent vascular surgery fellows and residents.' This because it has been demonstrated that publicly available social media content may affect patient choice of physician,

hospital, and medical facility. And to conduct this study, three quote, screeners created fake accounts on Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter, then tracked the posts of hundreds of young vascular surgeons." And specifically here, out of 480 targeted surgeons, they found social media accounts for 235 of them.

And with those accounts, they said that in about a quarter of them, they found either clearly unprofessional or potentially unprofessional content. Looking at things like whether those surgeons were posting offensive comments about colleagues, work, patients, or whether they appear to be obviously drunk. However, they also flagged posts where those surgeons were either just consuming or even just holding alcohol.

For example, maybe a glass of wine at a restaurant. They also flagged posts involving what they called inappropriate attire, including pictures in underwear, provocative Halloween costumes, and provocative posing in bikinis slash swimwear. Though here noting that neither men nor women were more likely to post unprofessional content. And concluding, young surgeons should be aware

of the permanent public exposure of unprofessional content that can be accessed by peers, patients, and current slash future employers. So like I said, the study goes out in the August edition of the journal. From there, we see just a pile of backlash. For example, you have people pointing out that all of the screeners were men.

One MD saying they are shaming our women physician colleagues for wearing bikinis. Alongside that, we also saw a lot of people equating this to basically glorified stalking. We've also seen a ton of women in the medical community responding by posting so-called unprofessional photos of themselves. Many using the hashtag med bikini saying things like, "'I am a woman in medicine who loves to travel

"'to tropical locations and dress accordingly. "'I will not wear my white coat and scrubs to Hawaii. "'This does not make me unprofessional "'or less intelligent or compassionate "'compared to my male colleagues.'" Another writing, ha, found a selfie in a bikini. To the 28 year old researcher who says this is unprofessional for women doctors,

I'm old enough to be your grandmother. Others also just hitting back against the idea that even holding a glass of alcohol is unprofessional. Others hitting on much more serious notes saying things like, in medical school, we are taught to honor the body, including all physical, mental, and emotional aspects. That should not preclude me from loving

and being confident in my own. And so what we ended up seeing happen is that backlash was so strong. You had the authors of this study calling for their own paper to be retracted. One of the authors of the study, Thomas Chang, saying on Twitter, "'Our intent was to empower surgeons to be aware

"'and then personally decide what may be easily available "'for patients and colleagues to see about us. "'However, this was not the result. "'We realized that the definition of professionalism "'is rapidly changing in medicine "'and that we need to support trainees and surgeons as our society changes. Also, we realize that our design

had significant gender bias, particularly with men assessing the appropriateness of women's clothing. We were wrong not to have considered the inherent gender bias and have certainly learned from this experience. We will do better in the future and teach others from our experience."

With a spokesperson for the Boston Medical Center where six of the seven authors have ties, calling the paper ill-conceived and poorly executed, saying it reinforces biases about professionalism and gender. And then from there, we saw the journal issuing a statement retracting the article and apologizing for unconscious bias. However, that's also not where this story ends

because while this focus on sexism was very much the main narrative of this story, you also had a lot of other health professionals concerned about another huge chunk that they felt was glossed over. And that is because the authors also flagged politically charged issues such as abortion and gun control

as being potentially unprofessional topics, specifically labeling them controversial social comments. And so that's why yesterday, even though this paper was retracted, we still saw posts like, "'While people were rightfully incensed "'about the sexism inherent in saying posing "'in swimwear and provocative clothing was unprofessional,

"'little attention was paid to the fact that metrics included under potentially unprofessional behavior included controversial political comments, controversial social topics, and controversial religious comments. And going on to say that professionalism is often used to police the speech of trainees and professionals to quiet dissenting opinions and protect the images

of institutions when they are called out for wrongdoing. With some also noting that both gun control and abortion are inherently healthcare issues. And as far as where I personally land with this story, I end up on the side of the people going, what the hell was this study even trying to do? I like the idea that somehow it is unprofessional that on a person's personal page,

they're sharing a photo of themselves in swimwear. That's somehow unprofessional? No, that you can have whatever job, that doesn't mean you're not an actual person. This feels, obviously it's a different situation, but the version that I've seen more often than not is when a mom posts a picture of her like having fun at a party.

You'll see some people respond like, Oh my God, you're a mother? Yes, she didn't give birth and then instantly transform into a diaper changing dairy factory. They're separate things. And to maybe kind of take a little bit of the first story we covered today, maybe I want my doctors, male or female, to constantly, almost always be

by the pool well-rested before they get to me. Also the idea that somehow consuming alcohol, like a glass of wine, could be unprofessional. No, it's fine. I mean, if a doctor's shotgunning a beer because they're trying to forget all the people they killed during what should have been routine surgeries, then yes, perhaps cause for concern, but otherwise it is a thing that a lot of people use to help wind down. But also what I will say is this is my opinion and maybe it's not the same as yours. This is the question I pass off to you is,

do you think it is unprofessional or would you not want a certain doctor if you saw them posting photos in bikinis or stupid Halloween costumes, or they had some drinks in a photo? And then second question on top of that, what about the kind of more serious things that people have talked about from this?

With the more serious topics, would you not go to a certain doctor if let's say they were outspoken about gun control? Maybe they lost or had to like patch up some kid and they go on this Twitter rant. Does that make you go, well, that's not professional. I wouldn't go to them. Or they have the opposite opinion or anything else.

Or at the end of the day, is it just, this is the person that's gonna try to fix me? Yeah, let me know. And the last thing we're gonna talk about today are updates around the coronavirus situation around the world. It's over, it's not. It is unfortunately the opposite.

It is still going strong. The global COVID cases have now officially hit 16 million, notably this just four days after recording 15 million cases. Just for a frame of reference here, that's like if the entire population of New York City doubled got COVID. And even then, the actual number is expected to be much higher, this because of a lack of testing,

unreported cases, and concerns that some countries are downplaying or underreporting numbers. Right now, we're seeing alarming spikes all over the world, though the United States still leads in cases and deaths, with the United States accounting for roughly one out of every four coronavirus cases, with more than 4.2 million reported. Also as of recording this video,

the United States has reported nearly 147,000 deaths, making up roughly one out of every five coronavirus related deaths in the world. According to reports, deaths are still increasing in 25 states and Puerto Rico and cases are increasing in 32 states as well as Puerto Rico and DC. The two states with the highest number of cases,

you have California at the top with now over 452,000. And in second place, you now have Florida, which bypassed New York having 423,855 cases as of recording. Though here, I do want to note that Florida's numbers are incredibly notable because California has nearly doubled the population of Florida. Also in Florida, according to the Florida Department of Health, coronavirus cases in children

have greatly increased with total infections up 34% and hospitalizations up 23% between July 16th and July 24th. With the state's positivity rate among children also going up. As far as globally, you have Brazil with the second highest number of cases with over 2.4 million. Also, according to reports,

Saturday marked the fourth day in a row that Brazil reported more than 50,000 new cases, breaking its previous weekly record with 321,623 new cases. Then you have India, which has the third biggest case count, reportedly recording its highest single day of confirmed cases so far with more than 50,000. That pushing up their total number of confirmed cases

to 1.4 million. But also in addition to this, and maybe more of a concern, we're also starting to see spikes in countries that previously curbed the virus. I mean, just today, you had China recording its highest number of new cases since April with just 61. According to the report so far, almost all of the cases are centralized

in the Northwestern region, though there have been regional clusters. And in response, some regional authorities have declared wartime mode lockdown measures to combat the virus. Then you have Hong Kong, which largely had controlled transmission, now recently imposing its toughest coronavirus restrictions

yet as spikes continue. The report's saying that Hong Kong has reported over 1,000 infections since the beginning of the month, which accounts for over 40% of the city's total reported cases since the virus first hit there in late January. Also you have places like South Korea, which reported a four month high on Saturday

with 113 new cases, this reportedly due to a rise in imported cases. And to that point, some of the big news around that this weekend is you had North Korea locking down a city near the border with South Korea. This after officials reportedly found someone who may have been infected with the virus,

which would be huge if true, because it would be the first confirmed case in North Korea, or at least the first case that has been reported, because you know, North Korea. We're also seeing numbers going up in Australia. When you look to Europe, you have Spain's caseload reportedly tripling over the last few weeks.

So this concerning people over a possible European second wave. So in response, the United Kingdom this weekend placed new restrictions on travelers from Spain, requiring them to self isolate for 14 days. Though Spain's leaders have insisted that it is not experiencing a second wave and that it is still safe to visit.

You know, that situation will likely raise new questions about travel within Europe, where many countries have reopened their economies and are encouraging tourists. This despite the fact that many tourist heavy countries like Spain, as well as France and Germany are now seeing new spikes. But ultimately that is where we are with this story now.

And I think if there's a place to close, I think it's a reminder that what we're going through right now is new spikes. But ultimately, that is where we are with this story now. And I think if there's a place to close, I think it's a reminder that what we're going through right now is a marathon. Right, as I was finishing up today's show, we started seeing reports like, coronavirus outbreak shows signs of slowing in Arizona, Texas, and Florida. With one of the key points being nationally,

there was an average of 65,809 daily new cases on Sunday, a 1.6% decrease from the previous week. With US Secretary of Health and Human Services, Alex Azar saying that we're starting to see a leveling off of cases in hard hit states due to people stepping up to the plate, which if true is huge, but also of note, two main things. One, as we're seeing in other countries, this is a marathon.

This is something for the long haul until there is a bigger solution because this thing can pop back up easy. And two, as some reports have pointed out, we have to wait on the numbers. As one report explained, "'While the number of new coronavirus cases across the US "'has been on the decline for the past few days, "'it does not paint an accurate picture

"'of the rate of infection.'" Noting, weekend reporting from states tend to be delayed as some counties only release their numbers on weekdays. The former Food and Drug Administration Commissioner, Dr. Scott Gottlieb noting, "'That some states have not been reporting "'their numbers reliably since the Department of Health and Human Services instructed all hospitals

to stop reporting their data to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's longstanding National Healthcare Safety Network. Instead, hospitals now have to report to HHS through a new portal that went live a week ago. So it's also why we've seen a number of people kind of put an asterisk to this claim that we're seeing a decline or a plateau.

And that is where I'm going to end today's show. As always, thank you for being a part of these daily dives into the news. Also thanks to the three of you hitting that like button, sharing these videos with friends and family. Also, if you're new here, maybe because a friend or a family member recommended, definitely hit that subscribe button.

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