The Philip DeFranco Show - The Tucker Carlson & Nick Fuentes Problem Is Getting Worse For Trump
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Donald Trump has a huge Tucker Carlson problem.
And while it's not necessarily new, it's more open and possibly more damning than ever.
Right, I mean, Tucker Carlson called Donald Trump a total piece of shit in the aftermath of the 2020 election.
You know, that little tidbit was reportedly revealed in new court documents filed in a legal battle between the voting technology company Smartmatic and Fox News.
Or with the documents reportedly containing an exchange where an unidentified individual told Carlson on November 9th of 2020 that Trump should concede the election.
You and Carlson then responding by saying, oh, I'm fully aware and going on to say that Trump is a total piece of.
a shit before then adding, we can't control him, obviously, got to do the responsible thing regardless
of how he behaves. Now, of course, you know, that alleged conversation is from several years ago
at this point. But the timing of those new documents, it's incredibly notable because it comes
as Carlson has started more dramatically distancing himself from Trump and the Republican Party.
Right, and the most recent example was when he was speaking on an episode of the Sean Ryan show
yesterday where he said, and on the Republican Party, which is almost to the point where it's just
useless, and I'm going to have to oppose it because they're just, I hate them too much, but
because they're such betrayers. And then also during that,
interview, you had Carlson refusing to apologize for having Nick Fuentes on his show. Or you had him
defending the interview, which is, you know, really even at the center of a lot of the Maga Civil War
that we've seen play out. And with that, you had Carlson saying that, you know, he wants to hear
what people think and that he believes that everyone should get a chance to speak for themselves,
even if, you know, he disagrees with some of their views. And you would Tucker saying is no regrets
and that there was really only one thing that Fuentes said during the interview that he didn't like.
And I knew there would be, you know, an outcry or whatever. Probably understated it a little bit.
But, you know, not up to me. But my conscience.
is clear. One of the only parts that kind of bothered me, but now it amuses me, is there was a point
in the interview where Nick Fuentes said, really out of nowhere, I love Stalin. And you had Carlson
going on to describe how that bothered him because Stalin killed so many Christians, but then he
added, we armed Stalin. To which people say, well, are you for Hitler? No, I'm totally opposed
to Hitler. But I'm never going to accept arming Stalin. Also, notably, Carlson did eventually say
that he does oppose him of Fuentes' belief
while he still fervently defends him
in the content of the interview.
The last month, I don't think a single person
has ever made the case that I'm wrong,
that Nick Fuentes is wrong, the Jew hatred stuff is wrong, period.
And I said that, the white hatred, black hatred,
Jew hatred, Malaysian hatred, Bedouin hatred,
it's all wrong.
I believe that as much as I believe anything.
Okay, but the rest of it, his analysis,
which is actually smart,
And in a lot of cases, true, no one's even attempted to rebut it.
And then beyond that, you also had Carlson claiming that the only reason that he got backlash
is that he himself is not an anti-Semite, while also then applauding Fuentes' view on the GOP.
I mean, if David Duke or whatever pick an anti, I don't know, even though there are many, I'm sure they're famous anti-Semites, I can't think of it.
But David Duke is a famous anti-Semite.
If David Duke interviewed Nick Fuentes, they'd be like, oh, you know, they wouldn't say anything, whatever, who cares, or talking to each other.
But if someone who is openly opposed and sincerely opposed to hating people on the basis of their bloodline, which I definitely am, interviews Nick Fuentes, and it's like, hey, Nick Fuentes, stop with a Jew hatred.
But let's talk about your views on the betrayal of Republican voters by conservative institutions and the undue influence a foreign country has over our government.
Those are entirely reasonable conversations.
And so those comments have largely fueled the flames of the Maga Civil War that's been raging.
since the interview while also then furthering the wedge between Carlson and the Republican
establishment. Well, some people, they applauded Carlson for the interview. You had many top
Republican leaders slamming Fuentes and failing to push back on some of his views.
And just last week, you had House Speaker Mike Johnson saying the interview was a mistake and
trying to distance the party from Quentes. But then also, right, the guy that Carlson's been
defending, I use that in air quotes, because it's only kind of defending. He's now actually
calling Carlson two-faced. He's going around saying, I disagree with his anti-Semitism.
What the fuck? Sorry, are you Ben Shapiro now?
And he's totally, totally playing a game with me right now
where he's trying to go around and say,
you know, we understand and we pity him.
And we just want to know why people like him.
Why?
So you can reverse engineer it and make some other guy
that isn't like me at all?
You want to know why people like me?
Why?
So you can kill me and then take my audience.
Is that why?
You want to pander to my audience, take me out,
and then you're going to give my audience to Rufo and Loméz
or J.D. Vance or something?
And so, you know, what we're looking at is a clear
major divide within the Republican Party and
broader American conservatism. Then with that,
the real question is, you know, will it continue
to get deeper and will it actually stick
in a way that impacts electoral politics?
And then, what the hell is the Republican Party going to
look like post-Trump presidency?
Which leader or voice is kind of
the loudest and the tip of the
spear of the Republican Party? Is it the Fuentes
wing, the Candice Owens wing? It's Tucker
Carlson wing, the Mike Johnson
and J.D. Vance wing?
But for now, we'll continue to watch to see how this plays out.
And in the meantime, I'd love to know your thoughts, opinions, and reactions on those comments.
The next stuff today, we've got to talk about how the military is investigating Senator Mark Kelly
less than a week after Trump suggested he and five other Democratic lawmakers should be put to death.
Right, and Kelly's a former Navy fighter pilot, an astronaut who retired as a captain after more than two decades of service.
Right, and last week, he appeared in a video with those five other Democrats,
all of who actually previously served in the military or intelligence community.
In that video, you had them urging those currently serving to refuse illegal orders.
Our laws are clear. You can refuse illegal orders.
You can refuse illegal orders.
You must refuse illegal orders.
No one has to carry out orders that violate the law or our Constitution.
And while yet, the lawmaker is not referring to any specific order that they viewed as illegal.
What they were saying is absolutely true.
Three troops are actually told as part of their training that they shouldn't follow orders that are illegal or immoral,
including the intentional targeting of unarmed civilians.
You know, Kelly, he's among those who have raised concerns about potential consequences for American troops involved in lethal strikes on both.
in the Caribbean.
So what does this mean for their future?
If they find out later that they did this without legal justification, it puts them in
legal jeopardy at some point.
But you know, Trump, he didn't just deny the troops have gotten or might get unlawful orders.
Instead, you had him accusing Kelly and the other lawmakers of seditious behavior at the highest level,
saying, each one of these traitors to our country should be arrested and put on trial.
Their words cannot be allowed to stand.
And then adding in another post, seditious behavior, punishable by death.
But then also reposting other attacks directed against Kelly,
any other lawmakers, including one that said,
hang them, George Washington would.
You know, since that, even though experts have denied
that their actions have even come close to meeting
the definition of sedition, all six of these
lawmakers said that they even subjected to death threats.
You know, while you had Trump later denying that he
himself had threatened death to the lawmakers,
he still insisted that they were in serious
trouble. And that then brings us to this week, where
you had Defense Secretary Pete Heggseth writing on social
media that the video made by these lawmakers
who he described as the seditious six
that it was despicable, reckless, and
false, and adding, five of the six individuals,
in that video do not fall under Department of War jurisdiction.
However, Mar Kelly is still subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice, and he knows that.
And so with that, you would begs out of sharing a statement from the Department of Defense saying that it had received serious allegations of misconduct against Kelly in announcing.
A thorough review of these allegations has been initiated to determine further actions, which may include recall to active duty for court martial proceedings or administrative measures.
And actually, with that as a retired naval officer, Kelly technically can be recalled to active duty and discipline.
But also notably, retired officers are typically recalled only for crimes alleged to have been committed while they were on active duty.
And then also, as far as his crimes, like what they might be, there you have people saying the likelyest charges might be under articles related to officer conduct or undermining order and discipline.
And if Kelly were found to be guilty there, he could be knocked down to a rank lower than captain, his discharge could be changed to dishonorable, he could lose his benefits, and he could serve jail time.
But I will say there you have many experts saying that it is very unlikely that any of these charges would stick.
With one saying, for example, I have no idea what they'd court marshal him for.
preposterous. And then also adding that it would be even harder to prosecute Kelly because he is a
senator. Right. And as a senator, his statements are probably protected by the speech and debate clause
that protects members of Congress from prosecution. And there, you had a constitutional law
professor at Georgia State University explaining, having a United States senator subject to discipline
at the behest of the Secretary of Defense and the president, that violates a core principle
of legislative independence. Anyway, you cut it, the Constitution is fundamentally structurally designed
to prevent this kind of abuse from happening. But then also, in addition to that, as far as
Kelly's response, you had him saying that he won't be intimidated or silenced by bullies. Right. You
also had his fellow senator from Arizona who also served in the Marines, putting it even more bluntly,
saying Captain Mark Kelly has dedicated his life to serving this country with honor, and
now Trump is coming after him with the same baseless garbage he throws at anyone who refuses to bend the knee,
and adding, fuck you and your investigation. But for now, we're going to have to wait to see where this leads.
Although, I will say notably, this fallout, it might be only about to get bigger.
Because today, we also saw reports that the FBI is now trying to schedule interviews with Kelly and the other lawmakers in the video.
Right, and that could potentially lead to more investigations against all of them on the civilian side.
But hey, with that said, in the meantime, I'd really love to know your thoughts, opinions and reactions in those comments.
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for pedophiles and predators. Right, I'm not talking about the Epstein files. I'm talking about the
data we now have suggesting that the administration's focus on immigration enforcement may actually
be leading to fewer arrests for some of the most serious crimes handled by Homeland Security
investigations. Right, it leaves, that's according to a new investigation from the New York Times,
which is largely based on an internal report by HSI. You know, with that, I do want to know.
This report compares fiscal years, so not calendar years, meaning that the 2025 data includes
four months when Biden was still in office. But then notably, it's only since Trump got into
office that special agents responsible for investigating child exploitation and other crimes,
including drug trafficking, arm smuggling, and terrorism financing, have been asked to spend more
time deporting undocumented immigrants. And so with that, just looking at February through April,
all time that Trump was in office, another Times analysis found that
HSI investigators work 33% fewer hours on child exploitation cases compared to their average in previous years.
Where with that, being based on data obtained through a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit.
And notably, even though many agents are reportedly continuing to work those cases in their personal time,
it seemingly hasn't been enough to make up the difference.
I mean, you've got an internal report showing that the number of indictments for child exploitation crimes,
they fell 28%.
And on top of that, agents have reportedly identified or rescued roughly 300 fewer child victims,
which is a 17% drop.
Also, drug arrests have dropped by around 11%.
Or with agents also opening 15% fewer in.
Investigations and narcotics crimes.
And then the number of weapons sees fell 73% from more than 40,000 to just over 11,000.
And those numbers are even more notable because you have the White House claiming that cracking down on drug smuggling is a major priority.
Something that they've argued, you know, they're proving their commitment by killing dozens of people in the Caribbean without publicly providing evidence that they're actually smuggling drugs.
So again, even if they had that evidence, it wouldn't necessarily make it legal.
And of course, again, that's without even mentioning that you have experts saying this strategy won't actually stop the flow of drugs from coming into the U.S. anyways.
And as a further reason to doubt its claims, other federal agencies outside of Homeland Security investigations have also reportedly diverted resources to the immigration crackdown.
Right agencies, including the Drug Enforcement Administration as well as the FBI and ATF.
And so with that, this internal report does show that the number of people arrested by Homeland Security Special Agents for Civil Immigration Offenses has absolutely skyrocketed.
They went from roughly 5,000 to almost 95,000.
Also, notably, overall criminal arrests went up 41%, with the Times reporting that this increase is at least partly driven by investigations often related to immigration.
But also a big thing is that roughly 12,000 of the arrests, a whole quarter of them, were not categorized by crime type, so it's not entirely clear what's actually behind them.
And then with that, you're a White House spokesperson reportedly declining to explain what kinds of arrests are behind most of the overall increase.
And that's especially interesting because even though we're seeing more arrests, the number of people indicted has stayed roughly the same.
Agents also aren't opening as many cases considered significant, like ones into international criminal groups.
And despite the jump in human trafficking arrests, agents reported assisting 20% fewer victims.
Now, with all that, you had a DHS spokesperson claiming,
Child exploitation, human trafficking, terrorism, financial scams, and smuggling all have a nexus to illegal immigration.
And then repeating what's often been said by this administration, we are prioritizing the worst of the worst in aliens with final removal orders.
But again, the data tells a different story because many immigrants being arrested don't have criminal records in the U.S.
In fact, according to the Times, less than 40% of people detained by ICE have a criminal conviction.
Right.
And only around 8% of those arrested have been convicted of a violent crime with a slightly bigger percentage only having a traffic violation.
And so, you know, once again, it just appears we have another situation where the administration is saying one thing,
The data, though, shows a completely different thing.
But also even saying that, it is important to remember, it's not just data.
We're talking about people.
But then next up today, we've got to talk about how, you know, exactly 14 months and two weeks after he announced the American people...
I have concepts of a plan.
Donald Trump was finally ready to unveil an actual health care plan yesterday.
And then everything just blew up.
Right, because for some context here on New Year's Day, the enhanced Affordable Care Act subsidies will expire.
And that is going to cause 22 million Americans health insurance premiums to just shoot through the roof unless Republicans do something.
And so apparently the White House, they've been,
crafting a plan to avert this crisis, because yesterday, Trump was expected to unveil it.
But then, get ready, because you just, you're not going to believe it.
The plan was reportedly to extend the ACA subsidies for two years.
Which when people heard that, they were shop.
I mean, Trump, he's spent months ranting in all caps and true social about how these subsidies
would give a trillion dollars to illegal aliens and create transgender for everybody.
But it's also crucial to note.
He's not just conceding to Democrats here.
Because reportedly, his plan would cut off anyone making 700% at a federal poverty level from being eligible as well as eliminate zero premium plans, making everyone pay
at least something. Also, people who choose a lower premium plan could redirect some federal
aid into a health savings account. And then finally, there would be new and broader restrictions
on care for transgender folks and undocumented immigrants. All of that was reportedly the plan,
but then, just as quickly as it arrived, it ran out the door with its hat and coat. In fact,
it was just such a beautiful thing to watch. CNN's Jessica Dean, I mean, from the time between
her announcing the two events, it was exactly 38 seconds.
We're learning President Trump is planning to unveil a new health care proposal, but,
and I'm sorry, this has actually been, sorry, Zach, we're getting breaking news while I'm talking to you.
I have learned that the White House has postponed.
It's inspected unveiling of this new health care proposal.
So understandably, that left people wondering, what the hell happened, right?
Why this abrupt last minute reversal?
And the answer, actually, it seems pretty clear so far.
Republicans freak the fuck out.
I guess I should say Republican politicians and health care lobbyists.
Because reportedly, many lawmakers on Capitol Hill had no idea this was coming.
Apparently, they learned about this the same way everyone else did, through the press and social media.
So according to the Wall Street Journal, speaker Mike Johnson called the White House
and warned that most House Republicans just don't have the appetite for
extending the subsidies. You had sources saying that many objections stem from the absence of more
stringent restrictions on abortion coverage in Trump's plan. And that's in addition to the,
you know, the whole extending the subsidies bar which for mainstream Republicans is tantamount to heresy.
Right. I mean, they've been waging a moral crusade against Obamacare, as they call it for the
last 15 years. Hell, I mean, we just had the longest government shutdown in U.S. history over this.
And so with that, you had Thomas Massey saying on X, oh boy, more 40 chess? A vote to extend
Obamacare? That's the Republican solution to health care. With also several unnamed Republican lawmakers
telling MS now, formerly known as MSNBC, stuff like, I wasn't
expecting the proposal to be Obamacare light. It's definitely not the Doge thing to do,
and fix health care for working Americans or don't talk to me about subsidies. But now, as far as
what snacks, there's only a month left to figure something out, and lawmakers are going to spend
much of that time on break for the holidays. You know, so basically, when they get back from
Thanksgiving, it'll be based with a choice, and it's a tough one. Either extend the enhanced
subsidies, and for the first time ever put the Republican seal on an approval for an expansion
of Obama's evil, communist, totalitarian death care conspiracy. Or let the subsidies expire and
watch his premiums explode for 22 million people heading into an
election year. Which is why you're saying that the lawmakers open to Trump's plan, they seem to be more
moderate ones in competitive districts. Though I will say you also have conservative Republicans like
Tim Burchett saying, we've got to quit pointing fingers. We've got to start doing something with this
thing. At least Trump's proposal does something. It keeps people from losing their insurance and it
verifies that it's not a bunch of frauds. And as far as the Democrats response to all this,
you had a few of the ones who voted to end the shutdown earlier this month expressing a
willingness to compromise with Trump on a deal. But you also have the overwhelming majority rejecting
the plan as it was reported insisting instead a straightboard extension on the subsidies without any
new restrictions. And also with this, right, if Trump throws in an anti-abortion bone to try to appease his
further away Republicans, it's likely going to kill off much of, if any, Democratic support that he
was hoping to court. Now, also, of course, with this, Trump could try to bypass Democratic opposition
in the Senate by using a process called budget reconciliation to pass the bill, which only requires
50 votes instead of 60. Or the Republicans could try to attach a health care measure to a must-pass
funding bill and force it through the same way. But either way, you know, one, Senate leader
John Thune did promise Democrats a mid-December vote on extending the subsidies in exchange for
ending the shutdown. But then also, two, Mike Johnson never promised to think.
And, you know, the last time I checked, the U.S. Congress is made up of two chambers, the Senate in the House.
You know, who knows what's going to happen there?
You know, while we're waiting to see what happens, you also have White House officials telling MS now, which, by the way, I just feel like very stupid name.
The Trump's post phone announcement of his plan, it will actually happen soon.
And with that saying, until President Trump makes an announcement himself, any reporting about the administration's health care positions is mere speculation.
But also, they did acknowledge what the initial plan is now being actively reworked.
You know, personally, I just cannot wait to see whatever the hell it is.
because we've been two weeks away from Trump's health care plan since 2016.
And then we'll get back to the news in just a minute.
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Phil. Right, but then next
up today, are we going to finally see the end
of the war in Ukraine? Because you've got headlines
like Ukraine reportedly agrees to U.S. broker peace
proposal and Ukraine agrees to core terms
of peace deal, making that seem like it. But there's
actually a big asterisk to all of this, and that is
Ukraine has agreed to the framework of a potential
peace deal. So to a far cry from
an actual peace deal. And if this sounds familiar,
It's because just over a week ago, the U.S. had gotten Russia to agree to a peace deal,
except it was considered a complete concession to Russian demands.
And, you know, at the time, Ukraine made it clear that it wasn't going to agree to that
and would even go forward alone if it had to.
And also, since then, the country's been rocked by a major corruption scandal,
which possibly for Zelensky to reconsider a peace deal.
And his recent round of talks, it seems to have started early this week,
with American negotiators speaking to Russian ones.
And yesterday, they talked with the Ukrainians who apparently agreed to the core of this reported new peace plan.
And unnamed official also saying that the small details will still need to be worked out.
He would White House spokesperson Caroline Leavitt essentially confirming all of this on X.
Writing over the past week, the United States has made tremendous progress towards a peace deal
by bringing both Ukraine and Russia to the table.
And saying there are a few delegate but not insurmountable details that must be sorted out
and will require further talks between Ukraine, Russia, and the United States.
And then, you had Zelensky himself writing,
today our delegation returned from Geneva after negotiations with the American side and European partners.
Now the list of necessary steps to end the war can become doable.
There is still work for all of us to do together to finalize a document and we must do everything with dignity.
We appreciate that most of the world is ready to help us and that the American side is approaching this constructively.
But also one big question is why Trump decided to even negotiate another deal with Ukraine.
Because last week, he was extremely hard-lined about his 28-point plan with Russia and Gave's Lenskyt an ultimatum to respond by Thursday.
And well, it looks like partially it could be because a lot of the Republican Party flipped out.
I mean, for example, you had people like Representative Non-Bacon writing.
The initial peace proposal pushed by Wickcoff was a surrender document for Ukraine that would have left it at the mercy of Russia for decades to come.
With Rubio back and with Ukrainian and European input, we are seeing a better plan.
We must stand on the side of freedom and rule of law.
And that as you had, Representative Brian Fitzpatrick,
adding that the deal was nothing more than Russia's absurd wish list
that should be dismissed and shredded for the garbage that it is.
And in total, dozens of Republican lawmakers have reportedly been vocally against it.
But now, as far as next steps, from here, the U.S. will likely take the plan to Russia,
which is only kind of commented on this development.
Where you had foreign minister Sergei Lavrov reiterating that Russia hoped that any plan
would include the basic things that Trump and Putin agreed to in Alaska.
All of which were reportedly reflected in the extremely pro-Russian 28-point plan.
And so if that means that this new deal doesn't come with the major capitulations from Ukraine,
you have people wondering, will Russia actually move forward?
With that, we may get an update tomorrow because American and Russian negotiators are talking to each other right now in Abu Dhabi.
But then, as we wind things down today, I want to end with a congratulations and one more thing.
Starting with a congratulations, congrats to Kerrini's latest weekly winner who just snagged $500 in tickets to see Demi Lobato at MSG.
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Then, as far as the final thing, is today I actually shot a full podcast in good faith with YouTuber Mr. B.
You love them so much the first time I had to bring them back on.
Well, I highly recommend you watch a full thing.
It's about an hour.
I got a link in the description and I got a thing pretty at the end.
One of the things that we talked about that I really wanted to share was, you know,
in the conversation of presidential scandals and conspiracy theories,
I want to talk about how even founding fathers were conspiracy theorists.
How true is it that Sam Adams was like spreading, spreading conspiracy theories and disinformation intentionally?
It wasn't just him. Paul Revere did as well. Yeah, Ben Franklin is the king of misinformation.
Like, he was spreading fake news all the time. Yeah, like, that's what I always tell people.
The era we're living in now is that's not new. Like, I think the difference now is more and more people are just believing it.
Whereas I think, yeah, we've got to think critically about the information we consume.
Um, but yeah, they, that's, they were very persuasive with, uh, their, I mean, most of the time they just exaggerated. Like Boston Massacre is a great example of that, how, um, we, you probably have in your head the, the famous image of it. Um, it was, Paul Revere was a big reason why that image, um, spread across the colonies, um, because he was a, he owned a printing press and Ben Franklin as well. Like, he was just a, somebody who was, um, he was a, somebody who was,
able to communicate well and then yeah often exaggerated yeah it just it kind of makes me think of like
does that mean like if if times were different like they'd have twitter accounts that are like
george is a clown or like at george is a clown and it's like defeat the monarchy um and then it makes
it makes me wonder about oh the future from here are we going to have history books that are
like, it all started because this account was started on Twitter that spread misinformation
and it was the spark that was needed to do some new crazy thing.
That, my friends, is where this video is going to end.
But again, there is much more just to click away.
You can watch that full podcast with Mr. Beat.
It's a great watch and listen.
And or if you missed yesterday's Philip DeFranco Show, I got you covered right here.
It was a lot we really dove into there.
And of course, I also got links in the description for you.
But hey, no matter what you do, let me just say, thank you for watching.
I love yo faces.
And I'll see you right back here tomorrow.
