The Philip DeFranco Show - This FBI Scandal Could Change Everything & Trump's Breakdown With Iran Could Hit You Hard This Week

Episode Date: April 20, 2026

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Starting point is 00:00:29 The U.S. and Iran are now both enforcing blockades on the Strait of Hormuz with attacks on commercial vessels. The ceasefire between the countries is set to expire tonight, and so far there is no confirmation that they'll even meet for talks. In starting with the ceasefire that's coming to an end, you had Trump announcing it back on April 7, saying it was conditional on the complete, immediate, and safe opening of the Strait of Hormuz. And while the ceasefire, that took effect. The straight never really opened back up, at least in part because the U.S. and Iran disagreed over whether the truth extended to Lebanon. And then after in-person talks in Pakistan ended without an agreement, you had Trump trying to turn the tables on Iran. with the U.S. announcing that blockade on all ships, quote,
Starting point is 00:01:01 entering or departing Iranian ports and coastal areas. Then also at the end of last week, there were signs of progress, right? Israel and Lebanon, they agreed to attend a ceasefire. So in response, Iran announced that it would actually reopen the straight to commercial vessels. So you had Trump celebrating the news, but also saying that the U.S. blockade would, quote, remain in full force until such time as our transaction with Iran is 100% complete. And then adding, this process should go very quickly in that most of the points are already negotiated. And then in other statements throughout the day,
Starting point is 00:01:25 he claimed that Iran would hand over its highly enriched uranium to the U.S., that it would agree to. an unlimited halt to all nuclear activities and that it wouldn't get any money in return. He even said Iran had agreed never to close the straight again. But then, the next day, Iran, they closed the straight again while also rejecting all of his claims about progress on the deal. You were the country's Speaker of Parliament and Chief Negotiator writing on Twitter. The President of the United States made seven claims in one hour, all seven of which were false.
Starting point is 00:01:48 They did not win the war with these lies and they will certainly not get anywhere in negotiations either. With the continuation of the blockade, the Strait of Hormuz will not remain open. And with all that, you had Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps issuing a statement saying, warn that no vessel of any kind should move from its anchorage in the Persian Gulf and the Sea of Oman and approaching the Strait of Hormuz will be considered cooperation with the enemy and the offending vessel will be targeted. And then within a few hours, IRGC, gunboats open fire on a tanker off the coast of Oman while an unknown projectile also hit a container vessel. See in Trump the next day, accusing Iran of violating the ceasefire, but then also insisting that
Starting point is 00:02:19 progress it was still being made, saying, my representatives are going to Islamabad, Pakistan, they will be there tomorrow evening for negotiations. But then he reverted back to his baseline negotiating tactic these days, which is to threaten what appear to be war crimes. Writing, we're offering a very fair and reasonable deal, and I hope they take it because if they don't, the United States is going to knock out every single power plant and every single bridge in Iran. No more Mr. Nice Guy. The term later revealing that an Iranian flag cargo ship tried to get past the blockade, but it, quote, did not go well for them. And as far as what happened, you had American forces attacking and boarding a vessel around 30 miles south of the coast of Iran and
Starting point is 00:02:50 the Arabian Sea. The ship reportedly belonged to a state-owned Iranian company under US, UK, and EU sanctions. A company that's been described by the American State Department as the preferred shipping line for Iranian proliferators and procurement agents, and it reportedly been traveling back from a Chinese chemical storage port known for shipping substances, including a key precursor for solid rocket fuel that Iran needs for its missile program. Though also to be clear, it's not publicly known right now what it may have been carrying this time. You were the military saying it had only gone ahead with the use of force after six hours of warnings to the Iranian vessel to turn back. Motor vessel, toloka. Motovessatostovatatatatatatat. Vacate your
Starting point is 00:03:19 engine room, vacate your engine room. We're prepared to subject you to disabling fire. According to the military, it then disabled the Iranian-link ship by firing several rounds into its engine room. You then had several Marines flying over on a helicopter repelling down onto the ship and then taking control. And it was actually the first time American forces boarded a ship since the blockade began. Though also, according to the military, 25 vessels have been turned back without force as of yesterday. You then had Iran saying it would retaliate soon for what it called an act of armed piracy and it gave no public indication that it would be meeting the negotiating team that Trump mentioned. The team that the White House said would once again,
Starting point is 00:03:53 include Vice President J.D. Vance, Special Envoy, Steve Whitcough, and Jared Kushner. And as I mentioned, Trump said that they would be arriving this evening, and he even told the New York Post this morning that Vance had already left. But then, you had the New York Times reporting that Vans was actually expected to leave the U.S. for Pakistan tomorrow. And then as far as the Iranian side, you had a spokesperson for the foreign ministry, claiming that the U.S. had shown it wasn't serious about pursuing diplomacy and saying that no decision had been made regarding the next round of negotiations. But also a thing to remember here is that Iranian officials made similar comments in the lead-up to the first round of negotiations. So it's
Starting point is 00:04:19 not really clear whether this is just talk. And in fact, you did later have the New York Times reporting that an Iranian delegation was making plans to travel to Pakistan. So you know, as we say, words or words, actions are actions, there's separate things, and so we're going to have to wait to see what actually happens. But also, if talks don't happen or a deal isn't reached, Trump's claim that it is highly unlikely that he would extend the two-week ceasefire. But going back to that saying, as we know, his words mean almost less than nothing. And Justice Trump has repeatedly claimed that a deal was close only to then be proven
Starting point is 00:04:44 wrong. He's also repeatedly made threats that he hasn't followed through on. And notably with all this, European allies are reportedly concerned that an inexperienced U.S. negotiating team is so desperate for a quick fix that they might have agreed to a deal that leaves most serious issues unresolved. Or you'd one European diplomat telling Reuters, the concern isn't that there won't be an agreement, is that there will be a bad initial agreement that creates endless downstream problems.
Starting point is 00:05:03 And another saying, there's simply not enough expertise in this US team and noting that roughly 200 diplomats, financial, and nuclear experts were involved in the 2015 talks. And adding, we've worked on this file for two decades. And then of course, in the meantime, all of this uncertainty, the escalation, the threats, they've just put oil prices back on the upswing. Or the price for a barrel jumping by around 5%
Starting point is 00:05:20 overnight into today. And the hardest hit region continues to be Asia, but also the longer that this remains unresolved, the more that it could just be kind of a preview for other parts of the world. I mean, already, experts are saying that a few more weeks like this, it could push several countries into greater unrest and economic recession while also forcing millions under poverty. And then, hey, let's say, even if the straight-of-h moves gets back to normal tomorrow, it could take
Starting point is 00:05:38 years for oil and gas output and shipping to reach pre-war levels. And while in the U.S., you know, the effects might not be as extreme, it is increasingly seeming like this is a problem for the Republicans in the midterms as ordinary Americans are struggling with higher gas prices. And Trump's maybe trying to act like he's not worried about the potential blowback with posting a series of rants on social media just as I was getting the show out for you. Reclaiming in one that the deal that the US is making now will be far better than the one negotiated under Obama and rehashing his criticism at that agreement. You then had him
Starting point is 00:06:03 accusing Democrats of doing everything possible to hurt the very strong position we are in with respect to Iran in writing. I read the fake news saying that I am under pressure to make a deal. This is not true. I am under no pressure whatsoever, although it will all happen relatively quickly. And then finally you had him claiming I'm winning a war by a lot. Things are going very well. The anti-America fake news media is rooting for Iran to win, but it's not going to happen because I'm in charge. But of course, you know, him being in charge is a large part of the reason the world is in this mess and his unhinged meltdowns on social media, they're not exactly reassuring.
Starting point is 00:06:31 But then also, speaking of concerning behavior from the people that are running our government, we've got to talk about the Cash Patel situation. Because everyone's been dunking on him ever since this Atlantic article over the weekend claim that the FBI director is erratic, frequently absent, and prone to heavy bouts of drinking. If the fake news mafia isn't hitting you personally with baseless information in Washington, D.C., then you're not doing your job. Okay, so according to the Atlantic, several officials said that Patel is not. known to drink to the point of obvious intoxication, even in the presence of other administration staff.
Starting point is 00:06:57 With him allegedly getting wasted at the private club, Ned's in D.C., in the poodle room in in Las Vegas, where he frequently spends parts of his weekend. In fact, you had six different sources reportedly telling the Atlantic that early on in Patel's tenure, meetings and briefings had to be rescheduled for later in the day as a result of his alcohol-fueled nights. They say it's to the point where his own security detail have struggled to wake him multiple times because he was apparently drunk. Hell, in one instance, when Patel was unreachable behind locked doors, officials reportedly requested breaching equipment to get him.
Starting point is 00:07:19 Which of true, I mean, when the FBI is about to bust down a door with tools usually reserved for hostage rescues to get the FBI director, you know we're in the fall half of the rise and fall of the American Empire. And you have these people saying, you know, there are real consequences, right? This isn't like a superficial sloppiness. Officials have reportedly said that Patel's presence at FBI headquarters and field offices has been irregular. With the madding that he's compounded the agency's existing bureaucratic bottlenecks and
Starting point is 00:07:40 that his chronic absence is delayed time-sensitive decisions needed to advance. investigations. One official told the outlet that on several occasions Patel's delays resulted in normally unflappable agents, quote, losing their shit. Those are the three words they use. Plus the big thing here is that that kind of drinking is also just against the rules. Where the DOJ's own ethics handbook states that an employee is prohibited from habitually using alcohol or other intoxicants to excess. With the inspector general warning that off-duty alcohol consumption can impair employees' judgment and make them vulnerable to exploitation or coercion by foreign adversaries. And so as you might expect, some of the FBI worried that if there is a terror attack,
Starting point is 00:08:10 Patel's gonna be sloshed out on a couch with a bottle of PBR on his hand. But you know, it would be less than ideal at any time, but especially not when you've just launched a war against one of the world's leading state sponsors of terrorism. In fact, for some of the major events that we've already seen, FBI and administration officials are reportedly questioned whether alcohol played a role in Patel's impulsive responses there, with maybe the most notable being him posting premature or inaccurate information about Charlie Kirk's assassination and the Brown University shooting while those cases were ongoing. As you've reportedly got over two dozen people telling the Atlantic that he's erratic, suspicious of
Starting point is 00:08:38 bothers and prone to jumping to conclusions before he has the necessary evidence. With the outly describing one story this month where Patel reportedly struggled to log into an internal computer system and he quickly just became convinced that he had been locked out and then he panicked. Frantically calling aides and allies to announce that he'd been fired from the White House with two sources calling it a freakout. Also members of Congress and even the FBI itself reportedly called the White House to ask who is now in charge of the agency. But of course, Patel wasn't and hasn't been fired, though several current and former officials say that he is deeply concerned that his heads on the chopping block. Which yeah, I mean,
Starting point is 00:09:05 it appears to be warranted. There have been rumors about him getting fired. heard soon anyway and the Atlantic reports that senior officials are already discussing who might replace him. Though I will say as far as Trump's feelings on this, the outlet's findings there were kind of, let's call it ambiguous. On the one hand, he's reportedly unbothered by grumblings about Patel from within the FBI and he's been pleased with Patel's efforts to purge the agency. But then also on the other hand, Trump's reportedly complained that Patel has seemed unprepared for TV appearances and that Patel hasn't moved quickly enough on investigating the president's enemies. Plus, there's the whole thing that Trump's reportedly not a big fan of alcohol,
Starting point is 00:09:31 right? His brother died after struggling with alcoholists. So actually, when Patel was filmed chug and beer with the U.S. men's Olympic hockey team in February, Trump reportedly called him to convey his unhappiness. However, with all this, it does seem like Patel knows how to work with, or work Trump specifically. Or with Patel, seemingly trying to get back into Trump's good graces with this answer on Fox about the 2020 election. I am never going to let this go, because they not only have personally attacked the presidency of the United States and President Trump, but they try to thwart our elections and rig the entire system. I can announce on your show that we've got all the information we need. We're working with our prosecutors, the Department of Justice, and their
Starting point is 00:10:05 Attorney General Todd Blanche, and we are going to be making arrest. And it's coming, and I promise you, it's coming soon. And actually, on the note of him being litigious, he addressed the Atlantic article about him as well. They can beat their drums and stand next to toxic waste all they want, but that doesn't make it toxic waste. And Maria, I'm happy to announce on your show that we're not gonna take this laying down.
Starting point is 00:10:25 You wanna attack my character? Come at me. Bring it on. I'll see you in court. And yeah, it appears he meant it because today, he sued the Atlantic and its reporter, Sarah Fitzpatrick, for $250 million, alleging defamation, with them claiming that his lawyers in a letter to the outlet denying the claims and asking for more time to refute them, but that the
Starting point is 00:10:40 Atlantic went ahead and published them anyway. Now to win this, Patel would have to prove actual malice, meaning that one, the information printed in the article is false and two, the Atlantic either knew that or recklessly ignored doubts about its accuracy. But there, you also have some experts saying, you know, getting to the truth of that, it would require discovery, or the evidence-gathering phase of the case, and you have some wondering, would Patel actually want to do that? But then also, in the meantime, as this is playing out, Democrats have just pounced on this. With, for example, Gavin Newsom's press office posting an
Starting point is 00:11:05 AI generated video of a drunken Patel being carried out by a security detail with a caption, Just Seen, Caches Night Out. And there's more that we've got to dive into in just a minute, but first let me thank a sponsor and say, you know, it says a lot when you'd rather ignore your symptoms than deal with the process of booking a doctor's appointment. Right, for something this important, the process still feels weirdly outdated. You call, you weigh, you get bounced around, and then somehow the next openings in another geological era. And that's why today's sponsor, Zock Doc Doc is actually so useful. Zock's a free app and website that helps you find and book high quality in-network doctor so you can find someone that you love. They've got more than
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Starting point is 00:12:30 With two doses, it's more than 90%. I send him that information. The text message came back sounds great. Do you want FDA approval? Let's do it. Where people have gone to or go to countries like Mexico to use Ibegain for PTSD, addiction, and other health issues,
Starting point is 00:12:45 but in the United States, it's a Schedule I drug. And while different groups have tried to get it approved, you have to check a lot of boxes on the business side of things to make that work. So there really hasn't been much progress before, but then as far as the question of, well, why does someone like Rogan care about it? I mean, it could be because of his audience.
Starting point is 00:12:57 In addition to his own interest in psychedelics, He's hosted plenty of vatis who say that, you know, they just don't get enough support when they come home from battle. Politicians love it. They love to send, you know, 18 to 26-year-old men and women. They love to send them to war. What they hate is paying the bill. Right. That's what they hate.
Starting point is 00:13:14 They hate paying for the after effects. They hate standing by their word in the sense of, hey, we're going to take care of you, all your health problems. Right. So PTSD could be more common for vets than it is for civilians. They're also more likely to come home with chronic pain and treatment. it can cause people to slip into addiction. And so Rogan, this is something that he obviously cares about. They also understand, like, this is an issue
Starting point is 00:13:34 that doesn't just stop with veterans. We have a gigantic opiate problem in this country, obviously. In 2024, more than 80,000 people died of overdoses. It's a horrible number. And there's more than 5 million people that are addicted to opiates right now in this country. We've lost roughly a million people to opioid since the mid-90s.
Starting point is 00:13:53 So yeah, it's an understood, I think, by most, that we need better treatment. But also one of the things you're seeing here is a lot of people skeptical about this came to be saying why does it feel like a podcaster to some degree is calling the shots. So it's really not surprising that Trump would really care what Rogan thinks. He has over 20 million subscribers on just YouTube alone. His audience is massive. I mean he had him on before the election. Many credit Rogan to giving him the White House and people have been talking about
Starting point is 00:14:14 his political influence for years now. So that also brings us to the next part here when he started slamming Trump for the war in Iran while his approval rating was already taking a nose dive, things look shaky. But you also report saying that he and Trump are usually pretty buddy buddy with each other. Which could also be why we haven't seen Trump cut ties with Rogan the way that he did with his other critics. The one that know No, Rogan was taking shots over the weekend. There was no shortage of people calling him a coward and a hypocrite. Some calling him a liar for saying that he's politically homeless and how he'll heavily
Starting point is 00:14:36 criticize the administration, but then appear there right behind Donald Trump without an Applebox, which was kind of rude on Donald Trump's part, with many seeing Joe Rogan there smiling ear to ear, praising Trump and going, oh, his words are empty. Of course, there's also no shortage of Rogan defenders. People saying, you know, there's more nuance here and that you can't just throw everything out. But then also with this situation, you have some saying, well, there's actually another problem. I mean, they're not actually telling the whole story about why Ibegain got banned in the first place. They did it to target the civil rights movement and the anti-war movement.
Starting point is 00:15:02 It's not because these drugs harm people. And for 56 years, we've lived under those terrible conditions. We're free of that now. Those also aren't the only reasons. Abigail can also cause cardiac arrest. Researchers are concerned about its high potential for abuse and in rare cases it can be fatal. Understand, that is not to say that this drug couldn't end up being extremely valuable for veterans and people who are addicted to opioids. We just don't fully know you. So that's why you're seeing folks like the founder of a DC-based psychedelic psychedelic advocacy organization stressing. The next phase will depend on the strength of the clinical data and how these therapies are integrated into the existing health care system. You still have many scientists that are worried that the Trump administration is going to try to bypass the very strict and rigorous benchmarks that come with this type of research just so they can claim of a quick win. But while we wait to see what researchers make of all this, we can move on to the next drug in today's episode. Maha aligned influencers and conservatives instead of, you know, raw milk, they have this new, dangerous product that they're hawking, though it's not really new, and that is nicotine. But you're seeing numerous health influencers and other prominent right-wing voices heavily pushing it to millions and millions of their collective followers.
Starting point is 00:15:59 You're seeing them claim that nicotine actually has a ton of different health benefits, and it's just really been unfairly stigmatized by the mainstream medical establishment. So it's actually pretty similar to other controversial products of the Maha movements promoted, like peptides, beef, Tylo, and of course, raw milk. But then with that, you have many saying, like with other health concepts that have been pushed by Maha, unfairly stigmatized by the mainstream medical establishment, it sometimes just translates to scientifically proven to be dangerous. As far as nicotine, experts widely agree that it raises your blood pressure,
Starting point is 00:16:24 adrenaline, and heart rate, creating a number of cardiovascular issues over time. that include an increased risk for heart disease and heart attack. And according to the CDC, nicotine can also harm brain development, which continues until you're around 25. You know, while public health officials, they regard nicotine patches or pouches like Zins as a safer alternative for people who are trying to quit smoking cigarettes, one, you're comparing apples to cancer death sticks, so, you know, it doesn't mean that nicotine is safe, and two, it is still highly addictive. So it still carries big risks for former tobacco users, but the main concern is that it's going to hook people, especially young people who have never used nicotine before.
Starting point is 00:16:52 According to the American Lung Association, only about 35% of Americans who used nicotine patches have previously smoking cigarettes and of those only one in ten were able to stop smoking and switch to pouches. In fact research is actually shown that when people who weren't previously addicted to tobacco started using tobacco-free nicotine products, it actually increases their likelihood of addiction to tobacco products. Which is then why you have many experts arguing that nicotine products, which are mainly produced by the tobacco industry, it's just another tactic for big tobacco to hook a whole new generation of users. And that's just super significant because when you look at most of the
Starting point is 00:17:21 Maha allies hawking nicotine products, they aren't just trying to promote it as a safer alternative to smoking. They're actively pushing it as some kind of wonder drug. And easily one of the best examples of this, and one of the single biggest voices in this space, has been Tucker Carlson. But he has repeatedly titled what he said are the benefits of nicotine, saying at one point
Starting point is 00:17:36 that he's been using it for 40 years now since he quit smoking in college. Tucker then also claims that the benefits go way beyond transitioning from cigarettes. He's also repeatedly promoted various nicotine products as miraculous cure-alls. This is the largest Zinn tin in the world. The volume of nicotine in here could save the world.
Starting point is 00:17:51 There is enough nicotine in this container to alter the course of history. Zin is not a sin. Zin is not a sin. a life-saving medical product that enhances male vitality and mental acuity. Zinn is like the hand of God reaching down a massaging your central nervous system. And then there was also that viral clip from an interview we did with the O'Von a few years ago. Yeah, but the truth is Zen is a powerful work enhancer and also a male enhancer. If you know what I mean. Really? Yeah. Talking erection,
Starting point is 00:18:17 huh? Yep. There's no election front of it was in. Wow. I don't know if I want a Zen supported weiner, You know, I don't know. I think you do. You think so? Oh yeah, because you want people to get addicted. So one, weird. Two, right now there's zero scientific evidence to back up his claims about nicotine enhancing male vitality or whatever. If anything, the opposite actually appears to reach your right.
Starting point is 00:18:41 Studies show that nicotine can cause numerous reproductive issues for men, including erectile dysfunction, reduce fertility, and decrease libido. Though I will say maybe Tucker is speaking, at least in part from personal experience. Just close your eyes. Oh, damn. It's like that. That's the neighbor saying, hey, it's real quiet. over there. Just whack it on the nightstand.
Starting point is 00:18:59 But then also beyond that, you would Philip Morris, which manufactures Zins, actually sending Carlson a cease and assist letter after that podcast telling him to stop saying shit about their products because even if he was joking, quote, these statements lack a scientific foundation. Adding, given Mr. Carlson's popularity and reach, these statements could promote a misunderstanding and misuse of our products. Then you and Carlson slamming the company for that rebuke, and in fact, he cited it as part of his reason that he launched his own brand of nicotine pouches called Out, which he then
Starting point is 00:19:23 touted as an alternative to so-called woke. products like Zinn because apparently Zinn is woke now. Tucker's also not the only person who gets direct financial benefit from pushing nicotine products. Right, Dave Asprey, for example, a biohacking influencer with millions of followers, he's also been one of the biggest proponents. A belief that, you know, I'm sure has nothing to do with the fact that he's reportedly invested in the nicotine pouch company Lucy and done consulting work for Philip Morris. Right, Naspare's repeatedly echoed Tucker's claims that nicotine can increase cognitive function,
Starting point is 00:19:47 reverse Alzheimer's and help people live longer. And that's also been then echoed by Jillian Michaels, a Maha Line Celebrity Fitness influencer who's repeatedly talked about our use of nicotine and made wild claims about its health benefits on her podcast and beyond. But they're claiming in one interview that she uses low doses of nicotine to protect against Alzheimer's and Parkinson's disease as well as to sharpen focus and help treat her ADHD, saying at one point that nicotine is not toxic and claiming that it's actually beneficial. But again, all the science that we have right now, it shows that nicotine is, in fact, toxic,
Starting point is 00:20:12 and there's no real evidence to back up these sweeping claims. Right experts say that, like literally any other stimulant, nicotine can make you slightly more alert, but it doesn't improve cognitive function or make you more intelligent. In fact, as we noted before, it can actually harm brain development in those 25 and under, and it can even harm concentration in the long run because users build up a tolerance and then can struggle to concentrate without it. And then it's for the various kind of miracle cure claims like that nicotine can prevent diseases like Parkinson's or Alzheimer's. Experts say that the research there is very preliminary and far from definitive. But then many also arguing that it's incredibly alarming for supposed health influencers to be pushing these products to their fans.
Starting point is 00:20:43 But then you also have some in the Mahat camp hitting back, claiming as they have with many other products, that the medical establishment is intentionally hiding information about natural cures while pushing prescription medications that just make people sicker. Right last year, for example, leading Maha influencer Alex Clark did a podcast titled, Nicotine is not the villain, what big pharma hides from parents. And then it, she interviewed an alternative medicine practitioner who claimed that the pharmaceutical industry has buried information on nicotine's benefits and argued that it could treat COVID, cancer, and more. But those of Clark herself telling viewers that everything they've been told about nicotine has been a lie. You know, to close this one out, I am interested.
Starting point is 00:21:15 I am curious also what you make of this. Especially if you're someone who uses or has used nicotine products. Because nicotine, this is definitely like an outsider looking in situation. I had smoker parents kept me miles away from this stuff. And also, I'm just scared of anything that's addictive. Like, I feel like I'm addicted to chocolate, so I feel like I have no shot on nicotine and so I've never tried it. And anecdotally, like 90% of the people that have used it or do use it, in my life, they regret it. But that my friends, is the end of your Monday dive into the news.
Starting point is 00:21:41 Though I'll say, what a week we have in store ahead. Also, that's where I'll leave it because I don't want to ruin anything. Just make sure that you're subscribed and you have your notifications turned on. And also, if you're in North America, maybe text me at 813-213-4-23. Your choice for no specific reason. But with that said, thank you for watching. I love yo faces, and I'll see you right back here tomorrow.

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