The Phonebox Podcast With Emma Conway - Beanie Babies, Natwest Pigs & Footballers Wives: Jack D. March

Episode Date: October 14, 2024

Who wins a special point from me for mentioning Footballer Wives and loved Will Young? Jack D. March that's who! The wonderful interiors content creator joins The Phonebox Podcast to chat about savage reality TV in the 00's and if Natwest Pigs and Beanie Babies are really worth anything these days?Be sure to go and follow Jack for gorgeous interiors on instagram here, join his Substack here and grab his book the Story Of My Home here!For more of me follow @brummymummyof2 on Instagram, YouTube, Facebook and TikTok and follow the @phoneboxpodcast account on Instagram for polls and nostalgic fun.If you have any guest suggestions, topics you would like me to cover email [e-mail] and be sure to tag so I can see where you are listening!#00s #00smusic Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

With the Fizz loyalty program, you get rewarded just for having a mobile plan. You know, for texting and stuff. And if you're not getting rewards like extra data and dollars off with your mobile plan, you're not with Fizz. Switch today. Conditions apply. Details at fizz.ca. Hello and welcome to this week's episode of the Phone Box Podcast with me, Emma Conway. How the devil are you? This is the last in season six of the Phone Box Podcast with me emma conway how the devil are you this is the last in season six of the phone books podcast i'm gonna take two weeks off and also i'm recording this late at night it's quarter to seven it's not that late jack for me this is nearly my bedtime I've got a bathroom to paint after this.

What the heck? You're painting a bathroom after this? Yeah. Jack, would never be me. I'm currently in my pumpkin spice latte pyjamas and a leopard print pumpkin dressing gown for those who can't see me. I look fabulous. It's a bit of lipstick on though

so welcome to the podcast jack how the devil are you and where can people find you i'm very well thank you you can find me on all the good places instagram tiktok i'm sure if you search that'll come up it's something very similar um and the blog jackdmarch.com. Do you keep the blog up to date? Is the blog still blogging? I've moved to Substack. What is Substack?

I don't understand it. I don't know. I don't get it. I think Substack's going to be the new thing. You know, like how threads didn't happen? I think Subst stack is happening it's really basically it's just like really easy to put in a combination between wordpress and twitter okay basically because there's like a feed you can just put like your status on there like um or you can share

other people's or and it goes on to like your news feed and then obviously you've got your own page with all of your blogs on and is it free or do people pay so all of my blogs are free because although i had a best-selling book i don't much um but you can have like paywall on there as well so a lot of people have like two separate columns almost like the free one and then the one people pay monthly for okay so I will leave everything below I'll leave your book what was your book called as well the art of home oh the oh god guys go and follow him on instagram the the amount of like decorating you do is quite phenomenal and the quick turnaround is amazing yeah it's I mean I go on honeymoon on Wednesday and I get my autumn decorations up um finish doing the bathroom clear a room for the

builders to come clear the yard for the builders to come um what else have I got to do oh i'm filmed two weeks of content are you gonna have pumpkins up yeah i'm up by eight o'clock tomorrow morning oh god i can't wait to see the pumpkins my pumpkins are already up i actually uh beat you see for me september the first pumpkin day yeah i did go in hard with pumpkin content from last i reused last year good fine that's fine i didn't notice i was like i love your pumpkins oh we've all done it right i love it okay right so you are a kind of noughties teenager so what year were you uh 14 2005 you see i had to think about it i actually because i lie about my age all the time and my friend is born the day after me and my mum bumped her mum in the hospital so like i'll say

like with someone and someone go how old are you now go 31 my friend go you still are we still doing that still i think do it yeah yeah i think as long as you just own it no one's gonna question it just do it you'll be 60 31 31 i'll back you up actually i'm 33 so that would be 2005 wouldn't it yeah 2005 now i have got the top three uh actually one two yeah the top three songs in 2005 can you guess? I'm going to go Gold Digger, Kanye West. No, but that's a great song. That was definitely 2005, I think. Yeah.

Miles Barkley, Crazy 2005. Another great song. The song at number one is absolutely crap. Oh. Do you want a cute clue for the number one song of 2005? It's an animal, a green animal. Kermit. No, I wish it was Kermit. It's Crazy Frog.

Oh, God. That was a terrible song. Somebody did a meme. One of the first memes was like, Crazy Frog as Sherry Blair, wasn't it? That's a deep cut um crazy frog number two was you're beautiful by james blunt oh of course it was that's a cute song that is a cute song and then don't you by the pussycat dolls good song that that is a that is a really good song and now can you name the number one tv show in 2005 was football's wife storm then oh that was so good i don't know that that isn't the answer but that was another good one so good i you're gonna win a point actually i like to give points

out to people who bring things to my mind no one else has mentioned footballers wives but you know i'm watching at the minute on Netflix? Fat Friends. Because I didn't watch it the first time round. But I think that was about 2005. But obviously it was filmed in Leeds. So it's only like the town over from us. And Dave lived in Leeds.

So like, I'm like, oh, look, it's so-and-so. That changed. Some of the bars are still there. And I'm like, oh, yeah. That was a good programme. it would never be made today I don't think with a title like that No, it would not would it It's not, I'm going

to give you a clue, it's not a game show but there's like a challenge element to it Million Dollar Drop or Big Brother No, what's Million Dollar Drop Didn't Davina McCall do it? I don't know.

I watched the NTAs last night and it was like, basically people had to gamble it and they put their money onto one that they thought was right. And if not, if it was wrong, it would drop out with the money. I've never seen that. No, here's a clue. You're fired. Oh, Apprentice?

Yeah, The Apprentice. Yeah, The Apprentice. I do love Apprentice though. Yeah, and original Apprentice was really good, wasn't it? Yeah, I mean, I was a bit young for that, but yeah, I do. And then Louisa, she's got Luana the podcast. Yeah. She was on The Apprentice. She was like DMing me at like 10.45 one night to make the plates

that I had at my wedding with everybody's names on for her Bridgerton party. It was all over, like the news was her Bridgerton party. She had the same plates that I had at my wedding. Did she tag you in it? She did, she shared me. She's lovely. That's really nice.

I have a friend who did a recipe and a very, very big YouTuber many years ago made the recipe identical, the identical recipe. Everything didn't tag her. It's fun. She tagged you. That's really nice of her. But yeah, she was apprentice, wasn't she?

She was, yeah. Yeah, she was like new apprentice, not kind of like back in the day. Right, you're 14. Where are you growing up and what was on your bedroom walls? So I was in York and my parents, they're just outside of York, still there in like a little village. And they did houses up for years growing up as kids. So like my kid, like my childhood was like car boots, flea markets,

antique fairs, antique shops, B&Q, Wix. So I actually wasn't allowed anything on my bedroom wall. You're not the first person that was not allowed things on their bedroom walls. Thieves' marks. And I have that same rule in my house today. Does white tack leave a grease mark? Because we've had white tack been brought into our house. Is this allowed this allowed i don't know i just go by what my mother told me

and she she ruled with an iron fist like would you be allowed a framed picture hung up with a nail oh yeah oh no we had picture rails you see so they all used to hang from the picture rails with the thing yeah so what were you having hanging I think probably some like gold gilt picture that I'd bought from a flea market you're so sophisticated if you could have had posters up if you were allowed the blue tack who would you have had well I didn't I used to have like folders I used to I was quite into photography so I used to have like photo albums so they would all be like in my on my bookcase I was and then um I used to have like you know like them a4 wallets yeah used to cut all of like fashion um adverts out of vogue and bits like that and like I used to have more

like files because you know I was like um what's the word you're like when you I was archiving them you know just to refer back to you sound amazing I've never referred back to them what do you mean you weren't looking at them just this morning to get inspiration no but then when I moved out I was 24 and moved out and for years I left stuff there and then when we bought this house together my dad was like he came to work one day he was like just would like kept bringing stuff and I wouldn't know he'd like just put in the boot of my car and I would get home and I'm like it's this like a bag of beanie babies or like four massive files of Vogue adverts I like that my my mum during in during Covid would regularly I'd open the door and there'd just be a bag of like 12-inch singles that she'd just, I've got to drive somewhere, I'm going to strive and just drop this off at the door.

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Switch today. Conditions apply. Details at fizz.ca. So you were archiving for the fashion, like pinterest yes i will oh my god somebody stole my idea it could have been you in me it could have been jack jack trust it's not quite the pin jack i don't know so it's pinterest so did you be in the folders or did you keep them i think they're probably in our attic now along with the beanie babies because i can't get rid of the beanie babies and i had this discussion uh and you know like there was like a radio one thing you had to like phone in and it was like something that you kept so that you were told like i can't remember what it was and i was like i was told growing up that if i looked after my beanie babies there'd be worth millions like this was going to

buy me a house in the swimming pool i kept the tags on them they had little like plastic things 20p 20p in the charity shop now i was waiting for you to get 50 good 20p um i feel very much the same this will be before your time about the nat west piggy bank pigs my brother has yeah. We were told the same. We were told the piggy banks, you keep every single one of them. You've got to have the dad, the mom, the older sister, the middle brother, the younger brother. And you've got to keep the rubber bungs.

Yeah, I've got all the bungs. I've got them all. I've got the baby in the nappy, keeping them just in case Erin or Ethan want them. could be i mean i think they're worth 20 pound well we were at dave's parents last weekend and in the attic which was dave's room there is the full collection i'm like i'm having them yeah have them i mean i think millions of people have them there was like the word mine was like right let's load them up second one now if you had um the Princess Diana Beanie Baby,

isn't that the one that's supposed to be the big, the real good one? Well, they told me the 2000 Signature one would be, but... There's still time. There's still time. As we know, you're only 31. You've got years to sell these Beanie Babies. Maybe a bit moth-eaten now, like... A little, yeah.

They have that little... Old toys have that certain little smell. Whether it's the piggy banks, they're maybe a bit moth-eaten now, like tiny bits. A little, yeah, they have that little, old toys have that certain little smell, where there's the piggy banks, they're holding up all right. Okay, what kind of music were you into? Probably just like the charts, like, yeah, you didn't, I didn't need to be any different at school. So it was like, right, let's just try and charts blend in as much as I can. So yeah, which apparently I can't remember any of them, but yeah. at school so it was like right let's just try and charts blend in as much as i can so yeah

which apparently i can't remember any of them but yeah um did you what 2005 so not axel f with the the frog song um pussycat dolls did you like any pop music anybody in you know particular this pussycat dolls wasn't that girls loud was around then yeah Yeah. They, um, S Club, was they? Fished. Oh, I love S Club. Yeah. And then I used to have like really obscure, like CDs,

like Katie Melua. What's her, what was her famous song? Crazy. Close. Oh, nine million bicycles in Beijing. I was,

it's on literally on the tip of my tongue. No. The flood. The nine million ones. the nine million ones I can't I can't I don't know why it's not physically letting me sing it because it was a bit speaky yeah she was good I liked all the um kind of solo girl artists around that time yeah I found a cd the other week and it was um Alexlex parks short hair from fame academy and then i went down like a massive rabbit hole trying to find her on the internet nothing she disappeared she's vanished um i went to see fame academy live so i will have seen her live with james as sneddon stopped living the line and lamar what a liner yeah god fame Yeah. God. Fame Academy was great.

And David Sneddon, I think, writes for the people now. He's doing quite well. But Alex Parks, if you're listening, write in. We want to know what happened to you. Because you had a great haircut. You had kind of a voice like that. Did she? Well, I mean, get me on the next Fame Academy and I'll win.

Very simple. I feel like the voice in Fame Academy sort of goes a little bit no I liked Fame Academy because it was more like a reality TV show they were all like living in the academy weren't they and they were having lessons with Carrie and David was her

husband Yeah I don't think they're together anymore unless that's a lie and David was her husband. Yeah, she had red hair. Yeah. Roger. I don't think they're together anymore, unless that's a lie. Stop living the lie, back to David Sneddon. She was like the Trini Woodall of music.

Yeah, Trini Woodall. Oh, yeah. What was their programme called? What Not To Wear. What Not To Wear. Was that around that time? Was that before that time? Oh, and 10 Years Younger.

That's savage. If you ever look at clips of that, it's absolutely savage. There's so much savage TV. There was that one. There was the one where Gillian McKeith looked at your poo. Kim and Aggie. Kim and Aggie. Trini and Susanna continuously trying to put women in wraparound dresses

to make them look thinner. Wife swap. It was just women hating programs. And do you know what? I lapped them all up. I watched them all. Best songs to hold their show down. They literally should have just called it like class swap.

It's like this week, Steve and Keith are going to be going away with Paul and Linda to a week in the Bahamas. And next week, they'll be going on a skagness caravan holiday like the just it was just like you know what you're doing you just I loved them I love them I love wives oh bring look don't bring them back because we know it's not good but bring them also bring them back the weakest link oh the weakest link yeah with I had friends that went on the weakest and I had one friend that just went around lots of different game shows trying to get on them but the weakest link yes she was brutal as well what was the one

don't tell the bride that's still on i actually watched an episode of that the morning i got married but it's surely that episode is from like 10 years ago. It's on E4, I think. Yeah, but stuff on E4 is not now because they can show repeats. Maybe, but I was like, I couldn't sleep. And then my friends and I sat in the bed in my room and watched Tell the Bride. I find this thing incredibly relaxing about those kind of programmes. It's like mind numbing. Yeah, four in a bed, you know, all that kind of stuff. I mind numbing yeah four in a bed you know all that

kind of stuff i love the hotel inspector yeah a bit of dirt putting your finger across the top of the cupboard autos do you remember mary queen of shops yes she was good yeah i like that i like to those programs okay um what kind of kid were you at school and where did you fit in the hierarchy oh like I was like low yeah school's awful awful um yeah I just more or less tried to keep myself to myself like as hidden as possible really just survive just get your head down and get through it yeah that was it like it every day was like a survive but yeah it wasn't the best like and I think it's different like we've come so far like which is amazing but I was like yeah like in such a short space of time like 20 years like 20 years ago in the north like and I hadn't even really come to terms with the fact I was gay. I was in denial. So when people were making fun of you for it,

I didn't want to be and I didn't think I was. Because you're institutionalising the wrong word. Everything growing up was a couple and kids. So that's what you think you're going to gonna have so I think you almost go through like this grieving denial process and at school I was in that grieving denial process like you see kids now like oh I'm gay in like 12 which is amazing but it just wasn't the thing back then so I think it was really hard if you feel like me I I didn't know i was gay i didn't i didn't know anybody else who was gay um so it was really hard to go home and say i'm getting bullied because everybody's calling me gay because you didn't want your parents to think you were because you didn't think you were so i

was like this vicious circle at school uh so yeah just any opportunity i would just keep myself to myself like my mum was quite good like she just made just made me, wrote me a note, like, at the start of the year, like, half through the year, like, check up GMP until third notice. And I used to just sit. Oh, I love that blunt. He's not doing it. Just for an ongoing injury. Queen of boundaries, that, isn't it?

He ain't doing it. So I used to sit in the art room and do my art work. Oh, did you, as soon as you got to year 11, did you leave and go to college or did you stay? Yeah, I left straight away, like as soon as I could. And was college a better experience? Yeah, college was like lovely. And then I think I came out like the second year of college. So maybe not actually, maybe like, yeah, maybe the first year of uni.

But yeah, it was like a different thing. Like people weren't everyone was just doing their own thing like and everybody was of a similar interest because I went to do like a diploma rather than like a A level so everybody was there was interested in the same things so you had that common interest rather than loads of people thrown together not liking each other find what they can pick a picture for so yeah it was the best thing I did really was cut and run yeah we've had a few quite a few people on the podcast who were like a peace out bye and then go somewhere else yeah I just

speak to anybody from school yeah well you know yeah no as anybody as anybody like stumbled across you on Instagram and said i used to go to school you yeah loads yeah and i have shared stories before like i remember like even like the teachers like when you think now like so i'd worn and it was like we're in dt this is like gcse level and they said there's things like bend the acrylic and it was called the line bender and they were like oh um this is the line bender and he literally turned to me in the class and went oh don't get incited jack and the whole class what i know right if you think like now that teacher would be like if anybody did that to one of my

kids i'd be oh put the school kicking the door in yeah that's cursed it would be cancelled now yeah it was it was probably under bants wasn't it like innocent bants i'm sorry that happened to you that sounds awful it was yeah i mean it's character building isn't it that's what we say about terrible things yeah it's character building do you know what let's pivot and let's talk about crushes because there's something nice about crushes. Teenage crushes. Were they kind of like secret? Did you have secret crushes?

Or did you not have crushes until you're like in sixth form? Yeah, it was a wee bit later. Because I was like, I had crushes on who you thought you had to have crushes on. So I was like, I really fancied Jennifer Aniston because of Friends. So I was like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But no. I think my first actual crush was probably Will Young. Lovely. Will Young. I think my first actual crush was probably Will Young. Lovely.

Will Young. Ben Fogle. Oh, in a chunky sweater in the Isle of Arran. Yeah. Do you know what? I still think Ben Fogle's quite hot, to be fair. Ben Fogle is quite hot. How old do we reckon he is?

About my age in his 40s. Maybe, yeah. is quite hot how old do we reckon he is about my age in his 40s maybe yeah ben fogel on in an hour and jump on a little rowing boat around scotland with a lovely labrador and he would have some snacks in his bag probably some nice cake oh some kendall mint cake probably oh absolutely okay there's a knock at the door and you know you haven't recently got married but you're single knock at the door it's been ben fogel with a matching jumper for you and him would you go off i'm there i'm already in the land rover yeah um it's interesting you talk about people that people should fancy because we've had

people on here who said like we all fancied ho Valance and kind of like yeah and I think as well like um at that age um I think you mistake like who you were idolized to who you fancy so like Holly Valance for example but it was more just the fact that I wanted to be her. You just wanted to be Kiss Kiss? Yeah. Kiss Kiss. Holly Valance. And who was the other one that was mentioned?

Oh, we had Louise Nerd. It was mentioned there, but that would definitely be before your time. Just what about Adam Ricketts? Would that have been around that time? Would that have been before? No, I take Ricky Martin. Yeah. Well, we were all right about him in the end.

I don't know. You know, I think I just thought he was a hot, bloody Latin man. Did you, though? She rang, she rang. She rang, she rang as he does it really. Yeah. Good old Ricky Martin. He seems happy. He's got kids and

stuff now isn't he living the v-dialoga right i want you to turn around and show everybody your jacket because i will show this on my stories this was in honor of you for the night he's up mtv now were you posh enough to have mtv in your house party of the week and everyone's like um we didn't have and you knew we had Sky growing up I was like so you didn't have Cartoon Network then? You had Cartoon Network growing up? Yeah. Did you have the Disney Channel? I don't think Disney had paused the channel back then. Oh. Was it Mayabean? I don't know we had we definitely had Sky yeah we lived in the countryside there wasn't really much to do so we had Sky that's my excuse excuse and I'm sticking to it in my head right because your mum was really nice about that you've got

this lovely house so these beautiful picture frames and you all sat around watching MTV did you ever have the box skybox no there was a channel called the box maybe that it had gone and you could phone up and you could request a song and they play it no i didn't know yeah maybe that's an old lady thing yeah it was called the box and you dial like 81778 and you'd be like type in i want to see robbie williams what you know angels and then you'd have to sit for hours waiting for it to come on by the time i was 14 we had like little tvs in our bedroom so and that was like freeview oh love no i just had a telly with a with a vhs at the bottom so what was freeview would that have mtv on it no freeview was like three like it was yeah i think it had like four music yeah and bbc three bbc three bbc four e4

iotv two and three definitely e4 because he's got desperate housewives on it all of desperate housewives i went to um the set of desperate housewives have you been there oh yeah in Universal Studios you can drive around the set of Desperate Housewives it's exciting it's exciting for me but then like other people on the tour who are really young were like this show is so and they're like here's the set of Desperate Housewives and people like that show has not been on for like a long time my Facebook but you know I get like clips on facebook of like little tv shows my always seem to be desperate housewives or the nanny i've never seen the nanny like on the telly american but now obviously i've seen all clips and you can't watch it anywhere it's like some 90s

comedy with fan dresser yes yeah i've never seen an episode how do i know that well you've obviously a clip on facebook looks good though doesn't it okay can we talk about fashion were you a fashion icon i think i was what what did you wear i like literally so my six i was 16 it's probably the worst one i was 16 and'd got a Saturday job at Clark Shoes. I don't know if we've discussed this before. Clark Shoes. Clark Shoes, lovely. And it was a Christmas party and I bought a

striped shirt, blue and white, black skinny trousers, black, like, pointed shoes. They might be boots actually. And a waistcoat like a magician it was the time where it was like acceptable to wear like a waistcoat you don't remember like people would wear like a waistcoat and then wore Yeah, Winkle Pickers, like black skinny jeans, shirt and the open waistcoat. Oh, lovely.

Was it all from Top Man and Burton's? All from Top Man. Of course it was from Top Man. I can just, I can envisage it in my head right now. Winkle Pickers out on the chat. And this was 16. Yeah. With a waistcoat.

Six, yeah. Do you know what it sounds smart but even before that i would like i was quite lucky because obviously i was the youngest so there's an older brother and my parent my mum would like buy like obviously like clothes for us both but then i'd be like oh my god i get his as well yeah because i was into clothes i would just take them anyway because i would rather i would quite happily have 40 jumpers yeah well about three of them that i actually liked but i'm like i've got 40 jumpers 40 jumps who are you getting your fashion inspiration from was it will young because i'm sure he wore a waistcoat i think he was probably responsible for the waistcoat yeah i think yeah i was like what's extra about Gareth Gates enjoyed, like, kind of an oversight suit often.

He did. Yeah. I can't think. I think it was like, yeah. And, like, it was quite, like, indie bands then. It was, like, cool. Like, what was it called, Britannia? Or, like, Britpop.

It was Britpop then, wasn't it? Yeah. When I was 16, it like the feeling raise a light I love the feeling whatever happened to the feeling Sophie Ellis Baxter oh yeah married to Sophie Ellis Baxter and was the darkness around that time

yes is there anything you wore then that you would never wear now that whole outfit although actually do you know what waistcoats are back aren't they that you would never wear now? That whole outfit. Although, actually, do you know what? Waistcoats are back, aren't they? Not in 46-year-old women.

I met my friend for coffee the other day and she came in, like, baggy jeans. Okay. Oh, yeah, and just a waistcoat, yeah. And a waistcoat. And I was like, this is banging. I need this outfit. Yes, that's you, young people. That's young people. Yeah, I would not outfit yes that's you young people that's young people

yeah I would not look like that that's in a waistcoat I would look matronly in a waistcoat but yeah just a weight coat jeans and maybe some like trainers that's kind of a nice look yeah yeah so maybe actually I'm not not the waistcoat I had but I would definitely bring back a waistcoat bring back a waistcoat is there anything then um apart from the waistcoat that you would wear now converse like i've always worn converse yeah i love converse first of school like all black converse so yeah i love a converse i've been wearing them for many a year have you ever tried a platform converse i have got a pair they're so comfy too but yeah they are a bit ankle twisty though, aren't they?

Sometimes I feel like they're a bit, have you ever used the word clod-upper? Yeah. They feel a bit clod-upper-y on my feet. And also I went out today in Platform.Martins. Have you ever tried them on? I imagine they're heavy. I mean, the Converse platforms are bloody heavy. Platform.Martins, it's like having two bricks stuck on your feet.

I was like, boom, boom. Stay away from the river. Stay away from the river. Keep out the sea. No, I still love them, though. I will continue to wear my bricks on my feet because I feel they make me look a bit taller. And they're more cushioned for my old lady toes. Okay, can we talk first snogs?

Yeah. You did an eye roll. I was trying to remember. There's been so many. Okay. First snog. You don't have to say the name if you don't want to. You can if you want.

What was it like? And was it nice? I think I was on a drunk night out. I was on a night out and I was drunk. And it was more like a spin the bottle situation. It was like, yeah. So I don't really think it was a proper snog. I think it was more like it looked like it.

Like a smooch. Yeah. Yeah. And was it just a ticket? I've done it. That's great. That's over. I've done it.

Obviously. And then I think like you actually, when you actually like somebody, you by the w yeah i think most people i think we've only had like one person who really loved it but i think most people like tick done it that's that then yeah i think it was just yeah ticked it ticked on that thing um if you could go back in time and talk to little jack what would you tell him i would say be who you are sooner don't be afraid don't be ashamed and it's easy to say but yeah because it's taken me a long time to be who i am i feel like i could have been enjoyed who i am a lot sooner do you think little you would listen to you do you think little you would tell you to sod off I think little me would

just be as terrified as I was so I want to go and hug him are you glad you grew up then or do you wish you were growing up now I know I'm glad because I feel like where I was like the best of both we had like the 90s you had like the primary school where you'd like play out in the street and you didn't have a phone and there was no social media. And then obviously secondary, there was like the rise of internet and dial up. Yeah. It was like a good, I got to experience both really. Yeah.

Is there anything about now that you wish you could experience then? Gay culture massively has changed and it's a lot more open. It's a lot more visible, both on TV and online. So I think that would have encouraged me to go. Actually, do you know what? It's not as taboo. It's not as, like, because I think when when I grew up it was like a little bit like people still felt like the shame of it like you because you were different to everybody else

around you you were like I don't want to be that person I don't want to be so I think social media has definitely helped the LGBT community to a point yeah so you could have had a bit of that what do you think your biggest teenage flop was never getting a horse there's logic to this there's logic i thought you were going to come out with something so significant and important and you just came out with never getting a horse so there's logic so i that's why i said regret because i regret giving up horse riding like i rode from like nine to 15 16 and when i realized i was never actually going to get a horse i went yeah I'm not riding anymore no more do you think you could get a horse now I mean we have nowhere for it to live you could build a horse house nice I think my I think the terraced neighbors would absolutely love me having a horse and also

they're called stables and I know I called it. Okay, so your biggest regret is not having a horse. I think it's horse riding. That's it, yeah. Yeah, given up horse riding, I think a lot of teenagers, and I mean, you know, even with my children, you start off these hobbies and you kind of just grow out of them and it is a bit of a shame. Yeah, the thing is, I think mine was more just being stubborn.

Like, I actually really enjoyed it. I was good because I wasn't going and doing it every week but I was a little bit like no no if no horse no horse riding yeah that's in it what's your biggest teenage success teenage success uh probably the later teens was probably my yeah to do my diploma came out like top, like, top. So what is a diploma? What was it in? And what is the equivalent of that? Full. And I went and did design at college.

So I went and did a design diploma. Yeah. And then did you go to uni after that, or did you just crack on? No, and then I went to, I did the degree in it after that. So it was more or less, I didn't know what I went to I did the degree in it after that so it was more or less I didn't know what I wanted to do and the only person that I sort of half like at school like there's one person she was like oh I'm going to do this so I ended up just sort of like going and doing it with her and then yeah and then I just I've got a really good mark so my parents pushed me into doing the degree and then that's why I decorate houses and they're so beautiful as well it's your front door bab I

don't know how I don't understand how you painted so many colours so often I don't either I can't get Stephen to paint our door it's not been painting once since we've moved in here do you strip it or do you just paint over the top of it? This is my question. So I stripped it and then I stripped it the first time we moved in and I painted it blue and didn't like it, so I painted it straight over in red. And then obviously the Union Jack was on top of the red and then I went, all right, okay, stripped it for yellow

and then I gave it a light sand back for red so it's been painted seven six times the union jack was just beautiful i miss the union jack bring back the union jack okay on um my instagram i often do a poll and i think because we've talked about like fun comfort shows on uh you know like channel four should we do a poll of like some of the favorites we can get people to put send them in so our example would be um what what ones do we mention wife swap yes ladette to lady again another why were all these programs just around around women ladette to Lady. Again, another... Why were all these programmes just around women? Ladette to Lady. It's because men would never go on the TV shows.

That's what it is. Do you remember that one TV show that was when they... What was it called when they all thought they were dating a woman and then it was a man? No, I need to watch this. No, do you not? I think that... Yeah, so they they were all i can't remember what it was called it but and that was not good yeah they were all dating it was dating a woman but

then at the the when she picked the man like bachelor when she picked the man then she was like and in fact i am a man i'm telling these programs back in the day were wild but my brother reminded me the day of balls of steel no what's that oh was it like a challenge program like it's basically like they'd have different people do different different sections there's like the angry man and there was like the little gay devil or something like that he'd go up to somebody and go oh they'd like go up to somebody like this man would go up to me like thinking, oh, do you have directions to like Euston Station?

They'd be like, do you fancy a bum? I just wouldn't get away with it now at all. Like prime time, was that on late at night? Late at night

and there was like the honey trap one and they'd actually go into the bathroom and start like flirting like shamelessly with this guy and the girlfriend

would be sat there. It was all like candid camera TV. If somebody got me on candid camera. Sometimes, though, don't you think you're being having candid camera happen to you? Well, I watch the Truman Show and now I think I'm Truman. Oh, yeah, 100%. You're always looking for your angles. Yeah, so we'll do that.

We'll do a call to action, sending your favourite kind of like comfort fun show from that era. And then on Spotify, I will do kind of top songs of 2005. And let's see if Axel F with the frog. Oh, that thing. Crazy frog will win. Thanks so much for coming on the podcast. I would like to know though,

if anybody else remembers, I've been struggling with this for years. Yeah, go was a tv show and it was jimmy car and whoever won had to answer questions and when they got the question they still won the car at the end but i feel like they had to don't know if they got the question wrong or right they had to smash something off the car it was a mini and they had to like smash like a wing mirror off if they got the question wrong i have i watch a lot of telly i've never heard of that i think it was called distraction does anybody if anybody remembers distraction please direct message me on the phone box podcast to put him so jimmy car you answer questions you

got one and then at the end you'd just be left with the car with no wing mirrors yeah but they went like through like series of questions

they'd have to do like different things like it'd be like electrocuted when they push the button and stuff like that but then the end of it was you got this car

regardless of how many questions you answered right so if you got them all right I think you walked away with a nice car if you answered like 10 questions wrong you still got the car

but it had like a smash wind screen no wing mirrors like i watched a lot of telly i don't remember this i'm hoping that somebody out there remembers it maybe passing by or distraction distraction maybe osmosis that i've said this story loads of times now i just please um jimmy car if you're listening we can't be listening do you remember that show you remember that show right thanks so much for the podcast be sure to go and check check out i'll let you leave all the links below in the description everything your book everything it's there thanks so much for and guys i'm gonna have a little tiny break um i'm gonna

eat um like pumpkin spice coconuts and drink hot chocolate, not coconuts. That'd be weird. Pumpkin spice cookies and drink hot chocolate and kick leaves around. OK, then I'll see you later then. Thanks for having a mobile plan. You know, for texting and stuff. And if you're not getting rewards like extra data and dollars off with your mobile plan, you're not with Fizz. Switch today.

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