The Phonebox Podcast With Emma Conway - Gemma Bird: Kylie & Jason 4 Eva

Episode Date: September 12, 2023

Who fancied Zack from Saved By The Bell, loved the Gladiators and had Kylie and Jason sewn ON her jeans? Gemma Bird that's who! Sunday Times bestseller and TV money tips giver Gemma AKA Money Mum Official kick starts Season 3 of The Phonebox Podcast.Be sure to go and follow Gemma on instagram here and check out her YouTube channel here. Grab her bestselling book here.For more of me follow @brummymummyof2 on Instagram, YouTube, Facebook and TikTok and follow the all new @phoneboxpodcast account on InstagramIf you have any guest suggestions, topics you would like me to cover or send in a voice note to be featured email [e-mail] and be sure to tag so I can see where you are listening!Editing by Soundtruism. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Switch today. Conditions apply. Details at fizz.ca. Hello and welcome back to the first episode of the Phone Box Podcast season three. How the devil are you? How was your summer? If you've've got kids did they go back to school all right if you're back to college let me know how you got on you can always direct message me over on the phone box podcast instagram account it's so lovely to be back i've got so many fab guests lined up for season three back to school back in a routine i'm gonna be back keeping you on your your walk of tears keeping your company i'm gonna be there keeping you on your walker chairs, keeping you company. I'm going to be there when you're cleaning. Do you know what? You're getting out your pumpkins and you're listening to me in your ears. Tag me in where you are listening. I

want to see. And this week we are back with a fab guest, kickstarting the series with a bang. We've got Gemma Bird, aka Money Mum Official over on Instagram on YouTube she's also a Sunday Times bestseller you might see her popping up on the telly ever so often with her Money Mum tips she is fab she's so much fun so I hope you really really enjoy this episode and as I said make sure you subscribe make sure you leave a little review stick around because we do have some great guests coming up and i will see you at the end of the interview for a little chat hello jemma and welcome to the phone box podcast how are you i'm good thank you how are you emma good we've had a little chat before and my makeup's already running because you've made me laugh so much so i think this is going to be good i think

it will be good it's been it's jemma and Emma. What can go wrong, right? What can go wrong? What can go wrong here? So when, what year were you 14? I mean, I'm money mum. I should be good at the old figures, shouldn't I? So I was born in 81. 81. Oh God.

1995. 1995. And where did you grow up? I grew up in Hertfordshire, Chesham in Hertfordshire. It sounds posh, but it really isn't. Is it not posh? What was it like? Just normal, average, run-on-the-mill place to grow up.

Normal, average school. Lived in a two-bedroom terrace up to when I was really, really little. And then we moved to right by the school, just a little three-bedroom house, literally two-second walk from the school, actually, which was good for Mum because she didn't drive, so we just walked into school every day on our own any siblings any siblings yes i've got one sister younger than me oh nice what where were you in the hierarchy of secondary school were you a call

were you were you a nerd i spoke to everyone which will shock you emma i know because i like talking oh you're so quiet i wasn't't cold. I was just normal. Well, I was never normal because I'm not normal now, obviously. I used to just talk to everybody, whatever you would say, like the cool kids, the non-cool kids. I don't know, whatever, however they wanted words to do when I was at school, the old young'uns. I used to just talk to everybody.

Sometimes I'll get picked on because obviously I'm a bit different. I used to like singing and dancing and drama. I know that shocks you. I know, I can't believe it. And I always wanted to be like on the stage. But I never really let anybody bother me, even in school. Like if I wanted to do like all the shows, I would just do it. But I don't really feel any different to when I was at school.

Like, yeah, I'd be like, oh my God, talking to everybody. Yeah, I used to get called titch because I was really short. Yeah. And yeah, I never had like a boyfriend or anything like that like i never ever had a boyfriend at school like i used to have like these jaw stretcher bases these queer i was grateful when i was efficient i had acne i mean it was quite tragic but i didn't care really when i look back i was an actual kid like i used to go bike riding every night with my friend i used to do singing and dancing i was a real i was really

young for my age i was a real child it was really young for my age. I was a real child. It's brilliant because I think nowadays they grow up too quick. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What was your bedroom like? Oh, so it had loads of Kylie and Jason posters everywhere. Because I love Kylie and Jason. And one time I went to watch Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat with Jason Donald was in it about five times.

And then he came out one time at the back of me and my dad gone back my dad threw me over the barriers and I ran over and I remember he touched my hand

and signed something and I went into school the next day and I was like oh my god he touched my hand like don't even wash it like Jason Donovan

and Kylie Minogue I was obsessed with so he just posted everywhere everywhere on my room if you were at an event now and Jason Donovan

walked in would your heart flutter? No, but I would be, it would really, really take me back and I'd be, I'd be really excited to see him. Like, I wouldn't have any, I would walk straight over to him and say to him, I'd be like, oh my God, I absolutely freaking loved you growing up. Like, you and Kylie were literally, like, Charlene,

I used to have wedding dresses, I used to dress up in that from Neighbours and I was obsessed with them. But I loved Kylie and Jason. I saw Matt, I used to have wedding dress. I used to dress up in that from Neighbours. And I was obsessed with them. But I loved Kylie and Jason. I saw Matt. I have talked about this before. I saw Matt Goss when I was like, not that long ago. And I love Matt Goss from Bross. That was like my.

And I just went up to him and I was like, my nine-year-old self would be so happy now. We had a little photo and it was just like so lovely. Also, he looked great. He had a lot of makeup on, but he looked absolutely great. What other kind of posters did you have up? Later on, it was more like Spice Girls. I really loved the Spice Girls. I absolutely loved them and I loved Britney Spears as well.

But it was mainly like actual poster-wise when I look back and I can remember, oh, there was like dog pictures as well. I really like animals, so I still do really love animals. So I used to have like pictures of dogs still do really love animals so i used to have like pictures of dogs and kylie and jason mainly and i used to have like a cassette tape and i used to do like singing and dancing in my room and record myself singing and make up dance routines all the time and then do shows to my sister and my mom yeah me and my did you and your sister used to do shows together because me yes she didn't want to do it though she never wanted to do it

and i used to make i'd be like no i don't care that you don't want to sing and dance You're going to We're doing Joseph You're the narrator No I was the narrator Oh okay Because I had the best singing lines in it What's the narrator's song

Oh she sings at the start of it She does like a talking thing She does doesn't she It's in my head but I can't think start of it she does like a talking thing and then she does doesn't she it's in my head but i can't think of yeah and she had like really short hair didn't she do you remember yeah yeah i wanted to be the narrator of joseph so yeah just anything there's still time there's still time i can see you on that stage get a little pixie cut uh well i'll just wear a wig i want to be bell in um and the Beast, but I'm getting really odd now. No, you'd be great.

You'd be great as Belle in Beauty and the Beast. I'm literally meant to be Belle. Like, I was born to be Belle. You know what you need to do? You need to go to... When you go to Disney at Halloween, the adults can dress up. It's the only time you're allowed to dress up.

And you should go as Belle. And you should have your husband as the Beast. And your kids as, like, the little... As Lumiere and... Oh, my gosh, it would be amazing. Yeah, I really want go as Belle. And you should have your husband as the Beast. And your kids as like the little, as Lumiere. And oh my gosh, it would be amazing. Yeah, I really want to be Belle. That's just like iconic. But my mum went to me the other day. Oh, you're too old now to play Belle.

No. I was like, mum, do not say that. You're only 21. What's she, me? I was like, it doesn't matter. I've got Botox now. You can be any age. Look, I'm angry right now. I'm happy. I'm sad. You can't matter. I've got Botox now. You can be any age. Look, I'm angry right now.

I'm happy. I'm sad. You can't tell. I can't tell anything. Okay, so apart from Kylie and Jason, what other music were you into? Did you like boy bands? Yeah, I liked everything pop. I still like pop music now.

So, like, A1. Do you remember them? I liked them. Ben from A1? Yeah. He was lovely with his floppy hair. Oh, so, I liked A1. Who else did I like floppy hair. Oh, so I like A1. Who else did I like? Oh my god, I like

I liked TLC as well, Waterfalls. I remember wearing the low jeans and doing a bit of a dance. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I love that. And Creep and all that. They were great. And No Scrubs. Yeah. Do you remember Samantha Mamba? Samantha Mamba. Oh my god. Absolute iPod. She wore the low jeans.

I used to love her as well. Britney Spears was just, my God. Absolute iPod. She wore the low jeans. I used to love her as well. Britney Spears was just, oh, my God. When she did I'm a Slave for You. And I remember dressing up in my teens, like, yeah, absolutely obsessive. And Christina Aguilera, Genie in a Bottle. Dirty. Dirty, was I right?

I was at the nightclub. That's how I met Stephen, at the nightclub, dancing to Christina Aguilera. Dirty little bit. Dirty. Yeah. Well, you know, they don't make it like that anymore. Oh, NSYNC, dancing to Christina. I get a bit dirty, a little bit dirty. Yeah. You know, they don't make it like that anymore. Oh, NSYNC, bye, bye, bye.

Do you remember when that came out? Bye, bye, bye. Did you fancy any of NSYNC? Justin Timberlake, and I still do. Justin Timberlake. I think he's, yeah, he's a bit odd now, though, isn't he? He's got some odd opinions, but you know what? Has he?

Yeah, he has. Has he? Yeah, I think him and his wife have some different opinions that i wouldn't be going along with oh i don't know anything about his opinion you've broken my heart now oh i'm sorry i didn't mean to break your heart he's still handsome though um i went to see him when he did his solo tour because he had like an out he did that song about britney spears what was it do you remember climb your river it's great and then she's idiot And then she walks along with a hat Oh god

Those were the days I just think these are like the best Do you remember hearsay and all that as well Hearsay, bit of Noel Bit of Kim Marsh Oh my god All that type of stuff Haven't your paths crossed with some of these people

Surely you must have bumped into some of these. Yes. So I'm now really good friends. Do you remember Zoe Burkett? Yes. She was in Pop Idol with Gareth and Will. She was, and then Darius.

Yeah. And then it was Zoe that was out, wasn't she? I think she was fourth out. So yeah. Yeah. My friend was Hayley, who was also in that one.

Hayley Evans. She was from Birmingham. Yes, I remember. That's how we clearly. Yeah. Oh, we could,

let's get them all together. I really remember it. That clearly, I was like, yeah, she was number five. And there was from Birmingham. Yes, I remember. That's how we clearly... Yeah. Oh, we could... Let's get them all together. I really remember it. That clearly, I was like, yeah, she was number five. And there was like Rosie Ribbons, wasn't there? She was six or seven about. But yeah, she was the last girl remaining. She's still doing absolutely fantastic, actually. She's doing like the bodyguard and stuff now.

Her voice is incredible. Michelle Heaton, I speak to her. She's amazing. She was more old. Well, I think I was a bit older when. What band was she? The TX. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, and so her. Who else have I met from those eras? S Club 7. I really liked them. Yeah. I just love pop music. Oh, my God, and Destiny's Child as well.

I love Beyonce. She's absolutely iconic, but I still love Destiny's Child. Destiny's Child. That was when I was at uni. Beyonce just looks great, doesn't she? When you see her. She's so fit. It's unbelievable.

She's so phenomenal. And she has a daughter perform with her. I'm like, oh, just love it so much. She's so great. Okay, so we've covered pop music. I presume your first crush was Jason Donovan. Did you have any other crushes hmm good one anyone off the telly maybe neighbors oh my god i'll tell you who it was do you remember

safe by the bell when i wake up in the morning oh my god i wake it on time oh that is so right zach from safe by the bell i was obsessed with you i fancied him so much. He's quite the, like, Zach. So what was his real name? Is it Mark Paul? Is his name Mark Paul Gosling

in real life? I don't know. There's Zach and there was AC Slate on there. AC Slate. I mean, Screech, he was,

he died. Just, sorry to make the, blow the mood. Yes, Dustin Diamond, RIP. Yeah,

he did, he did pass away, but I think he also went to jail as well. Oh, he did, but I still just think, like, God, they were so young, like, they were our childhood when we made things like that. It's shocking. Yeah, he did. He did pass away, but I think he also went to jail as well. Oh, he did. But I still just think, like, God, they were so young.

Like, they were our childhood. When we read things like that, it's... It is shocking. Yeah, because one of TLC passed away as well. It is... I know.

That was when we were young, though. I remember being really sad. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's shocking. It was Zach. Zach Slater. Yeah, Zach.

Zach was a good... I keep thinking of Zach Efron, but no, that's... He also is handsome. And you had Kelly and Lisa. Lisa went on to do all the stripping stuff, didn't she? Yeah, she did. I can't believe that.

Showgirls. Showgirls, yeah. It's not a bad film, to be honest. It's not, but you know when you just think, I'd like to be saved by the bell. I don't want to know that Screech went to jail. And she's got a bit so. Yeah, like, no.

In my eyes, they go to whatever. What high school is it called it's not ride out high that's greece isn't it it's yeah i was about to say ride out oh i don't know people will be listening to the podcast screaming because they will know message us if you can remember the name of the school it'll come to me but yeah no that that was iconic yeah absolutely iconic what other programs did you like did you watch neighbors yeah i did when kylie and jason were in it and then i did bufferopper after that. I'll tell you what I liked when I was a real kid.

Do you remember Funhouse? Pat Sharp? Pat Sharp. Yeah, the twins. It was really Friday after swimming when I was young, like really young. That's what I used to watch. I just was obsessed with it.

And there was another one I used to watch, Eerie Indiana. Yeah, me and my sister were talking about that. That was a really weird programme. There's only one series. Absolutely amazing. And my mum used to work in Erie, Indiana. Yeah, me and my sister were talking about that. That is a really weird program. There's only one series. Absolutely amazing. And my mum used to watch, and there was like Robin Hood and Maid Marian, but with the actual people. Yeah, Maid Marian. Yeah, yeah.

That was another program. That was when I was a really little girl. I used to watch all those. Gladiators. I'm so great. Do you know what? I don't think anybody's mentioned the Gliators and it was just saturday night primetime film from birmingham so when you lived in birmingham you could get free tickets to the gladiators and we would just go all the time to go and watch the gladiators my parents took me and i begged my dad for one of those foam hands and they were very

much my parents you're not having anything at these shows they're expensive my mum even said you have to buy her a foam hand and i got it and i remember laying in bed now i've got you taking me back i had this tiny little box where it was so small this little single bed with jeff my hamster at the end who was named after the gladiator jeff on there and my square box tv that i'd saved up and bought myself and then on the top was a gladiator hand pointing down at me. And I used to wake up sometimes in the middle of the night and think, what's that? Someone's going to kill me. And I'd be like, oh no, it's the gladiator hand. There was Wolf.

Wolf and Hunter. Hunter was the handsome one. Saracen. Saracen, Scorpion. Jet was my favourite. That and Lightning had the blonde hair. I just loved Jet. When I was young, she was really pretty. She was really pretty. Yeah, gladiators was absolutely oh what was your biggest fashion faux pas when you were younger what kind of clothes did you wear absolute rubbish

like i did more like it was more like low rips jeans anything that britney spears wore the smallest like when i was young i had an amazing stomach having children ruined that but i have but i have my baby and i follow these body positivities pages they tell me it was worth it but at the end of the day i've watched these and they say no it was worth it because you've grown a body and i'm trying to embrace it but i am not a body positive page i hate my body i know about it all the time and i're so gorgeous. I am really not. I know. But, you know, I'm just not body confident.

I'm trying. And, yeah, I had this lovely tummy, which I did nothing. I could eat pizza and just have it. So I used to wear, like, the shortest crop tops and the lowest cut jeans ever with all rips. And then when I was younger, I had to have my jeans. Kylie and Jason, faces sewn in patches. Oh, yeah. Right.

Dedication. Where would you get Kylie and Jason faces from? So they were like, yeah, and then you'd cut them out and you'd have them like patches. They're so iconic. You ain't a fan until you've hadly and Jason sunning your jeans. FanDuel Casino's exclusive live dealer studio has your chance at the number one feeling, winning, which beats even the 27th best feeling, saying I do. Who wants this last parachute?

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And if you're not getting rewards like extra data and dollars off with your mobile plan you're not with fizz switch today conditions apply details at fizz.ca oh i hope you've got a picture somewhere i really need a picture of you in them jeans i really want to see them i'll probably do mum had them i remember i'm holding my no i have got one holding jet the gladiator, hamster. And then I've got them on my jeans like that. Looking the biggest geek ever with the jaw stretcher brace. It was like that. I bet you look so happy.

Jet. Yeah, I'm so happy. I'm hideous but happy. Could be a slogan. Hideous and happy. But I had a good stomach. That would be my autobiography. Hideous but happy. Hideous but happy. But I have my stomach oh that'd be my autobiography hideous hideous but happy but i have

my stomach i have my stomach okay is there anything more than that you would wear now that you would like think oh that's quite cool i'll wear it now probably the jeans yeah like i still love like a ripped jean and i know everyone's like oh my god don't let the low ones come in which again tell me why it's not great but I think they could still pull them off now. Do you get what I mean? And do you remember those hideous belts that we went from stage wearing? They were like low belts and you'd kick them on.

They had rings around them. Do you remember when Jodie Marsh wore one on that side and one that side and just went out on a night out? Yes. Me and my sister still message each other like, what are you wearing tonight? And she'd be like, me Jodie Marsh belt up. And then she got married in them as well Didn't she white ones

Yeah I couldn't do that with my boobs now They're like dragging on the floor There's no belt that would contain them And Liz Hurley she wore an iconic dress when we were young The safety pin one Hugh Granch did something rude didn't he And then she got her revenge in a revenge dress With the safety pins.

That was a great look. Right raised her though, didn't it? That's all I need to do is we need to just get some amazing weird dress. If you see me next week walking down somewhere with safety pins all over my body and some belts, you'll know that, you know. If she's going out and you're at like a lovely event for a really nice brand and then you're there and your belt's off. My belt's off. I'll be like, she's made it.

With me mum tum on show. Your mum tum and Kylie and Jason like tattooed on your knees. I'm like, let's make her a star. She's going for it. She's going for it. Okay. What was your biggest teenage success? Do you think?

Looking back. In what way? Like you might have pulled somebody that you really really fancy or you might have done really well at school or you made mates with somebody who was great or didn't do really well at school and i've definitely never ever pulled anyone that i fancy i used to fancy this boy called ben best if he's listening now my god he was so gorgeous hi ben um he's so gorgeous and he was never a fancy mate and i really want to know what he looks like now so if you're watching can you sended me. And I really want to know what he looks like now. So if you're watching, can you send me a picture?

Because I really want to see if I still fancy you. Yeah. You need to do a little Facebook search of him. I have. I Facebook searched him and you can't find him. He was the boy at school that I really fancied the whole way through school. I mean, he never fancied me. He knew I fancied him as well.

He wasn't ever a nasty boy. It was just then. I know he was a postman after it. So so i worked this other place and i remember he came in i remember still fancying him when i was 17 18 um like you don't um yeah i always speak now i don't like if he's married or he looks like if you crop up like you crop up on his explore page or something he's definitely not on social because i've already tried stalking him, slightly odd, years later. No, do you know what? We've all done it. There's not one person in this podcast who hasn't had a little Google

of their ex-boyfriends. He wasn't an ex-boyfriend. I was never that lucky, Emma. It was just somebody I fancied that had zero interest in me. Unrequited love. We've all been there. We've all been there. So what have I done that I was proud of? Probably I bought my first car

that was something i was really proud of that's really good and did you save money yeah like a bit of time yeah literally i bought it and i wanted this car and i remember it was 7 000 pounds and my parents were like you're never gonna be able to afford to do that so i just like worked saturday jobs and i worked sunday jobs i did paid work but this was for about three four years i must have saved this money and i bought it the car i wanted i think it was like oh that's really good i was nearly 18 by the time i got it but yeah that's just a memory that i have that i was really really proud of what did you do as a saturday job what was your jobs everything you can think of so i did i worked in a record store for a bit i worked as a green grocers i did paper rounds i did mushroom picking i did car washing picking oh

that that is an awful job i'm not gonna lie i did not enjoy it yeah does it smell i feel like it would smell i think it would smell yeah it did and i was terrible at it as well and used to mess about a bit and yeah not the best my worst job was i worked in a baguette shop making people big baguettes and there was a bit you had to the cans of tuna were like that big like barrels and I pushed the lid in and all the brine just covered like she just came up covered me head to toe in brine I was like this job is not for me and this baguette shop is not for me but you know what like you have to do these things to find out like what you do and you don't like now when you're older if someone

said to you would you like to own a little cafe you'd probably be like no that'd be my worst nightmare covered in brine no thank you i worked in wallace and i worked in next as well um did you like that do you know what it was all right and i'll tell you what i did like you got uh you got every kind of season you got to buy a whole new uniform so they'd be like right you get like 95 of this universe if you pay a tenner you can have like a whole new uniform and i did really like that. That was good. I got some cracking outfits from Wallace. Because Wallace was quite expensive as well then. No, you're too. I think that's a bit

unfair. They're making like you've got all this stuff, so they should just let you have it. Yeah, I think it was just because the stuff was so expensive. Money tip right there for the Wallace staff. Money tip, money tip. How dare they make me I just said that. I got it. me put it on. I just said that. I got it.

I just, yeah, it was quite nice. I had, like, short hair and, yeah, it was quite good. What was your biggest teenage flop? What do you regret from being a teen? Probably, like, messing about a bit in school, like, maths and things like that. I studied really, really, really, really, really, really, really hard. I never bunked school. I won't lie, I was too scared of my mum.

Jesus, she would have gone mad if I'd done it oh my mom would have got my mom i know my mom and dad do listen but they're the kind of people that i could be being sick to have myself and you'd still be going in you'd still be going into school and even now if i took a day off work i'd be like oh i'm scared what my mom would think but like no you're going in yeah yeah probably that but then i did really like I won't like naughty naughty at school do you see what I mean like when I think

of the kids of the youth today I sound literally how old I'm getting the youth today probably like maybe listening to my mum more

God I'm glad she doesn't listen to podcasts because I would never hear the end of this but you know like like she said to me when I was like 18

and stuff like oh you should go on the cruise ships and experience life and do singing and dancing on there and I was like no I want, like, oh, you should go on the cruise ships and experience life and do singing and dancing on there. And I was like, no, I want to be Britney Spears. I don't want to do that. And looking back, I should have done some of the things my mum said.

My mum was like, go and experience being a butler in the Red Coat. You know, like your parents just got the best interest and I just didn't do anything that she wanted me to do. Oh, you'd be a great butler in the Red Coat. Yeah. And, yeah, I mean, it was something I wish I'd done, sort of things like that at like 17, 18. I didn't listen to mum. No. Well, we don't red coat. Yeah. And, yeah, I mean, it was something I wish I'd done, sort of things like that at, like, 17, 18. I didn't listen to mum.

No. Well, we don't listen to our parents, and I'm sure our children won't listen to us either. It's just... No, they won't. It's just a rite of passage. Can we talk first snogs, and was your first snog terrible? How old was I?

I was really old. I'm just trying to think, who was my first snog? I was 18. And I was younger than that. I am the old... Every time, everybody's like, oh, no, I wasn'tob i was 18 and i was younger than that i am the old every time everybody's like oh no i i wasn't i was 18 i am officially the oldest person on the podcast to have a first kiss oh i remember it was in my friend's bedroom and it lasted about one second it was completely stopping i was about 14 i didn't know what i was doing and you know and you're just like if they're like

kissing kissing and they just stopped the door and then i kissed him it's just it was it just to get it out of the way yeah it's like that peer pressure you feel like i think i was like 14 and a lot of my friends and like people in my school had gone all the way you know i mean they had bloody sex at like that age and i hadn't even kissed a boy and i think i was nearly 15 which is and even just you being that couple of years older than me they're getting younger and younger so like i fought in any 15 never to have kissed anyone like i was year that'll be year 10 for me in school because i'm the baby of the year i'm an august birthday so to be in year 10 and never kissed anyone it's really like i mean i was in actual lily nearly leaving six i think it's just because i just love boy but i went to an all-girls school i love boy bands and i just went to go and see boy

bands i didn't really know any actual real boys yeah I was I was like this though I weren't like into boys like that I had crushes but I've never felt like oh I wanted a boyfriend and I was always really really scared about having a kiss and I remember yeah I just did it and I remember thinking oh my god that's absolutely awful and why did I do that and yeah because you just do it don't you you just do it and then and then hope it gets better um yeah yeah I did I do that and yeah because you just do it don't you you just do it and then and then hope it gets better um yeah yeah I did I did I did maybe I did wait a bit too long I just wasn't interested but I wasn't interested in but I've never like thought about getting married you know how people like planning the wedding I never did any of that or think about having kids I just wasn't that kind

of kind of person um yeah so I was 18 right I'm not sure you can have an answer to this question i'm gonna ask you anyway who did you prefer blur or oasis if you like pop music it might have been neither oh i see it you're the first oasis you're the first oasis person oh hang on oh no hang on no i think i think everyone's been oasis i'm waiting for a blur person i thought you were gonna be the first so oasis yeah did you buy it when there was the fight between Roll With It and Country House? I wasn't interested. No. I wasn't interested in my sort of genre.

I was like a girl interested in pop. Didn't really care. But I definitely preferred Oasis. And I still think Oasis are absolutely unbelievably talented now. They're incredible. And they're not my music. I'm not going to lie. But some of their songs i do think are amazing

but i would never sit here and play an oasis song and listen to it myself whereas adam oh yes oh my steven loves it i don't know how a blur won in that particular fight because nobody i know has a bought blur it's but i don't know if you're a blur person please let me know okay uh if you could go back to jma then, what would you say to her? Don't worry about all the things that you're worrying about because half of them are never going to happen. And don't worry and stop getting upset and overthinking things, which you're still doing now. Do you know what I mean?

Just learn to just go for – I went for everything I do think anyway, but definitely the worrying was just terrific. And it's still on me now. So I would definitely say, all them things that you've worried about, none of them happened, Gem. Yeah. And it's funny because my granddad,

he's 92, 93, still alive. And death, we're talking about, still alive. And no, but he's funny. So he still says it now. He's like, all them things you worry about, it must have never happened. And he goes, and you spend your whole life worrying about what other people think of you.

At 20, you're really worried about it. At 30, he goes, by the time you get to 50, 60, you realise no one actually thought anything of you anyway. They might have done for a second, but no one actually cares because people only care about themselves and their own lives. People do, yeah.

That is, yeah. And they wander off. They might for a split second go, that was a bit weird, but then you're not in their thoughts like you you think they are no one cares that deeply enough so yeah it's like he's always says i'll just go for things like no he was even talking about before like our pages and how like you might worry about doing certain things or saying certain things because we're in you know that public eye of some format my friends ever be like well so what there's

no one's going to agree with everything you do are they so just do it right yeah it must be a thing that you get with age i think as i get older i'm caring less about stuff and i'm like we were saying we're like we're in our 40s now it's just like life's too short to be worrying about this that and the other um yeah that is that is good advice i was a bit of a worrier i think i think i think in my 20s i was a real worrier as well i'm getting a bit better. But, yeah, it is quite hard. Are you glad you were a teenager then or do you wish you were a teenager now? Oh, my God, Ben. Because, like, with the bullying, as I say, I was a bit geeky

and didn't sing and stuff. Imagine if I'd done that online and then people had written nasty things. It would have made me not want to, like, carry on auditioning and getting, like, I used to get stage newspaper every week and do that. Like, if someone had said something nasty, nasty like i don't think you're very good that would have which isn't a good thing to tell a 16 17 year old girl that i enjoy do things or like as you say like someone someone could comment that i thought you looked fat in that or you didn't look very pretty or you awful braces that you get taunted when you go home

when you read something it's worse like if we get anything now it's obviously it's upsetting you don't want to read anything nice about yourself ever so as a teenager oh my god no I would not want it I think both both me and you are quite open um confident people maybe because we just lived our lives when we were younger how we wanted to we were just like how we wanted to be does that make sense so now we're just like I'm quite if we if I had been on social media when I was younger maybe that would have been knocked out of us maybe we wouldn't be the way, I'm quite, if I had been on social media when I was younger, maybe that would have been knocked out of us. Maybe we wouldn't be the way we are now. Yeah, because if people had said like, oh, you know, good, don't do that, don't do that.

Whereas if someone does it now, I'd just be like, block. I don't even get into conversations with people. If anything's negative and it's my page, and I'm not done, and I never do anything horrible, I'm not a horrible person. So if anybody, anybody come at me with anything negative, unless it was like, oh, I don't, I prefer those shoes

and it was just like a natural, nice, deep, like, if someone just said, oh, I hate you, I don't get, I don't engage. I just go block.

You can tell the difference between a, between a genuine follower leaving a, a comment that you might not agree with and somebody who is not a genuine follower

and I block the people who, you can tell the way they say it. Yeah, so I think, I think maybe that's an age thing because even all the younger cats I see that they're arguing back they do think and I think you've now wasted a minute of your you've consumed your edge space with negativity for one to two minutes writing something back just block and move on your day yeah I literally no one no one no one says it if anyone's ever rude to me I just block it move on

yeah I think when I first started I went through a bit of a phase of wanting to, like, explain to the person why I wasn't a bad person. Like, I went through a bit of a let's have a chat. But no, they don't care. No, they don't care. They don't care. If I block them, they go on to you at the moment. They wait for you to engage.

You just send them, go, go to Amazon. Go look at this. I might just at your page and say, look, I'm about to block you. I'm about to block you. But you've got a chance for this one of replying.

Go and have some shits. Change your bio. Go and have some shits and giggles with Emma. It's her handle. Change your bio and just put me in for all direct messages

go to Emma. It was lovely to have you on the podcast. Oh, please find me some sort of picture so I can show people. And if you're listening, go and check out my Insta stories because I will put up, hopefully, a fun picture of Gemma.

I really want one with Jetty Hamster. Oh, we are at my mum's house, but she will have them. If only we kept our own fingers. Oh, Jet the Hamster was a legend. Oh, I had one. I had a hamster called Gary after Gary Barlow, obviously. I think I had three different hamsters all called Gary. Just Gary one, then he died. Oh, and I had a Sammy as well. I don't know who he was named after. But Gemma, it was lovely to speak to you and I will speak to you and see you online very soon. Thank you.

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