The Phonebox Podcast With Emma Conway - Thin Brows, Bullies & Internet Cafés: Priscillia Okpan

Episode Date: June 3, 2024

We take a nose at being a teenager in Nigeria this week with the amazing designer and YouTuber Priscillia Okpan (Kim Dave Designs). She chats on The Phonebox Podcast about thin eyebrows, how she chatted to boys whilst being at an all girls boarding school and we reminisce about the weird time where we all used Internet Cafés.Be sure to follow Priscillia on Instagram or go and check out her tutorials on her YouTube channel here. She also has a shop which you can check out here.For more of me follow @brummymummyof2 on Instagram, YouTube, Facebook and TikTok and follow the @phoneboxpodcast account on Instagram for polls and nostalgic fun.If you have any guest suggestions, topics you would like me to cover email [e-mail] and be sure to tag so I can see where you are listening!#00s #00smusic Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Guarantee void if platform or game outages occur. Guarantee requires play by at least one customer until jackpot is awarded or 11 p.m. Eastern. Restrictions apply. See full terms at canada.casino.fandu.com. Please play responsibly hello and welcome to this week's episode of the phone box podcast with me emma conway i hope you are well it is lovely and sunny here in birmingham which is what we all want to hear i've got my chubbub shorts on because you know 44 oh my gosh I've forgotten how old I am I 44 or 46

I think I'm 46 oh god this is terrible it's a pair of menopause I'm 46 and sweating and my my mind's gone Kim what a way to welcome you hi we had the same conversation of just earlier on of that oh how what year was it that when i was 14 so it's okay oh yeah but that's understandable but forgetting you what you are now is a little bit a bit a bit more annoying okay so kim is on the podcast today i'm really excited she's the first person kind of um i probably had one other lady who's from America. So we're going to hear about a completely different culture, which I'm really excited about. But Kim, can you tell everybody what you do and where they can find you? Thank you for having me, Emma. I'm excited to be here. My name is Priscilla Okwan, but my channel is called Kim Dave.

So I go by Kim as well, kind of like my online persona. I am a fashion designer um based in the uk i create content around sewing diy crafts and also sharing like the business side of like starting and running your own business so i do that on youtube on instagram tiktok so if you search kim dave or kim ds, you find my work and you find my life. And I think the aim is just to show people how much work goes into creating garments. And if it's something they want to venture into as a business, possibly like a trajectory you could take if you follow my story and mistakes to avoid as well. So that's a little bit about me.

I don't know if I'll be exciting on your podcast but I'll just share my experience and hopefully that would make it that's all I want anything I love it I love talking to all you know well as we met a few weeks ago you know I'll talk to anybody about anything I'm happy for a little chat I'm happy for a chat chat. I'm happy for a chat. Okay, so we usually start off by asking people the top songs in the UK in the year you were 14. But obviously you're from Nigeria. So can you have a little guess at any of these, the songs, the top songs 2004 from Nigeria, and then we're going to go through

and I want you to tell me if you know any of them. I feel like definitely something from destiny's child um or beyonce i don't know if that was a lose my breath era or like the same era i wanted i wanted to say something from because girl band and bands in general were really popular in that like mid 2000s and then um brick and lace love is wicked i had they were singing about heartbreak but we teenage girls are proper dance heartbreak whatever country and wherever you're in the world i mean my little girl screams olivia rodrigo like she's got in a divorce and she's 30 with so much passion i guess when you can tell when an artist puts their soul into a song.

So people from all age groups, they can connect, even if they don't fully understand the experience. But I want to say Breaking Lace, Destiny's Child, Beyonce. Oh, who else? Well, the songs that have come up on Google, they're not coming up with Beyonce, but maybe they're just coming up with Nigerian artists. So we'll just run through if you know okay we've got Baby Conga does that ring a bell

yeah wow is that is that is that vintage is it good is it rubbish it's good okay good good good okay we've got African Queen face to face oh. Oh, yes. You are my African Queen. Oh, that's on the head. I definitely need to hear. You know Holy Pass, Face to Face. So is Face to Face like a band? No, I think because that's Two-Face. He was, I think he was in a group

and then he eventually went solo and that song, African Queen, made him very, very popular. So I remember, you know, Holy Pass and that song African Queen made him very very popular um so I remember you know Holy Path I remember African Queen he's done a bunch of other really good um songs oh really okay we've got Raise the Roof by Boiling Point I feel like if I hear it I'll recognize it yeah yeah yeah oh I need to listen to some of these then but apart from the Nigerian artists it was like heavily into Destiny's Child and that kind of era where did you grow up in Nigeria and what kind of like was your bedroom like um so I grew up in the south I grew up in Delta State I'm from a very big family we're like eight so I've always been around lots of kids lots of different energies and then when I was my teenage years I was shipped off to

boarding school so my bedroom when I was 14 was shared with like 50 to 100 other girls so I actually did not have it was a it was like a long haul with bed after bed after bed after bed so you kind of just learned how to coexist share the the bathroom, share the toilet, go for like prep, go for classes. So my bedroom was shared with a million other people. So like a dormitory. So I presume there was no posters up on the wall. Were you allowed like photos or anything like that? FanDuel Casino's exclusive live dealer studio has your chance at the number one feeling, winning. Which beats even the 27th best feeling, saying I do.

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Switch today. Conditions apply. Details at fizz.ca um we would we had this like tiny i don't know if you call them cubicles but like a hole in the wall that was like nicely spaced out for everyone where you could put like your personal effects and people would like cut out pictures of like maybe celebrities they had a crush on or their families or like I don't know art or whatever and then they'll stick it inside it's like a locker but but without a door that's the best way to describe it so yeah we each had one of those so what crushes would you have had up who were the crush who were the hot crushes at in Nigeria at that time oh my god um I want to say it really depends on like if you had access to the internet and tv and international artists but

like local Nigerian artist Two-Face was really really popular because he was a really good looking man and then um we had like nollywood actors as well like jimmy and um rmd like these people were iconic back then both like on the international scene i want to say like justin timberlake yeah typical yeah he's still got it you know he's sometimes he makes me cringe a little bit sorry justin if you're listening sometimes now he does make me cringe a little bit i don't know why there's just something about him that's just a bit like oh he's a bit old i don't know i think you could do whatever you want to do he wears a lot of double denim still and maybe there's just think about him that makes you go but then again if me if he asked me on a date I'd still go so he's a good looking man

he's a family man as well so maybe that's why you're like you're a dad you shouldn't be doing this yeah yeah yeah maybe but then again I did see a concert footage of him the other day and it does look like quite a good a good concert it does look quite fun he's he's touring again now I went to see it a few times so you went to a boarding we've never had anybody from a boarding school I don't think so what was kind of like your day like oh it was almost like the military because it was a catholic boarding school it was so strict but in a good way it really formed my character because we would wake up very early because there were a limited number of bathrooms for a lot of us who had to get clean in the morning. So we would wake up like, I don't know, 5, 6 a.m., shower, get ready, go have breakfast in this like big hall. It was called the refectory and it like, table after table. You were seated

with, like, girls either in your class. I think you were seated by class, so everyone in your table were in the same class, and you would get, like, a pot of food, and you have to share the food, and after having food, we would go to, like, a morning assembly where we'd do, you know, regular assembly stuff, sing the national anthem have like bible readings because it was a catholic school and we go to classes and after classes like they didn't let us rest i think that's what i found amazing that there was no idle time because after classes you're expected to go back um have lunch and then have a prep was it prep or nap anyway we're forced to like sleep for like half an hour to an hour a little cheeky nap in the afternoon yeah like i think oh they were called siestas yes

because i knew they had a name so we were all like told to go back after like lunch okay time for siesta you go back lay on your bed even if you don't sleep they just expected us to like be in bed or like rest and after the siesta we were then told to go back and study so you have to go for prep which is going back to your classroom but you were in like in a casual day where that everyone had the same type of iteration the same material and you go back you study study study and then go have dinner and then you go back, you study, study, study, and then go have dinner. And then you go back and study again. And then after study, you're expected to go back to bed. So we were on like a strict schedule. And if you were out of that schedule, you were either maybe like a senior student who was above the authority or you were just being naughty.

So it was a lot, but it was good. I say it was good now, but then it was out. Was it all girls? Yes. I'd say it was good now, but then it was a lot but it was good i say it was good now but then it was good yes oh let's say it was good now but then it was good with hindsight it's good but then i was out pacific now so it was all girls now i went to an all girls just school during the day i imagine a boarding school of all girls would be pretty intense gossiping bitchiness I imagine that would be really hard work cliques bullies it had everything it had the whole shebang but it's the thing with any experience is you kind of come out of it like the people who came out of that school and doing amazing things now the people who came out and we don't know what you're doing the people who were mean and

were bullies back then and now it's like where are they we don't know so everyone kind of comes out from different experiences shaped differently but back then it was terrible especially like in the junior secondary school years which is like when you're between ages of 9 10 11 oh my god you're there from 9 what year did you stay till is it till you were 16 or 18 or yeah it's like I think I was 16 16 17 that's about how long yeah yeah do you think um if you had any children in the future you would think about sending your kids somewhere like that or would you rather keep them close do you know what's funny I had the same conversation with my husband and he was like nope I am not doing that to my child but in hindsight I think I would I would just be very um I would talk to him or her a lot

and find out what's really going on in school like how are you getting along because there are a lot of things that happen in boarding school that the kids don't share with their parents maybe they're afraid or they're ashamed I wouldn't mind sending my daughter or so to boarding school though I think it'd be incredibly expensive these days wouldn't it it'd be a lot a lot of money to go to a private boarding school yeah I'm not sure I'm not sure would you do the same I'm trying to think I don't I've got no concept of what it would be like. So I don't know. I do know that I'm, I'm not convinced single sex schools are the way forward for all children. I really enjoy, I really, you know, I fit in quite well there, but I'm not entirely sure what I think about single sex schools, especially from the perspective of boys schools boys schools are quite tough I think

and I don't I you know I'm not I'm not sure what I think about it um yeah it's it's weird did you come home in the summer or winter what how did you or do you there all the time so we would have like you know typical school breaks so um we had, like, a midterm, which is, like, a week break every term. And then we'd have, like, you know, the regular Easter break, summer break, Christmas break. So I would be home for holidays, but maybe, like, three months at most for, like, the summer break. But besides that, we were always in school.

Wow. And then when you left, did you go straight into a job or were you back home or what did you do oh like my parents are really big especially my mom they're really big on education so when I left I was actually okay college uni what's the plan and I wanted to become a medical doctor which is something that I really I really did want at that age but now I'm just like thank god I did not oh I would have been so bored oh my lord like no hate to doctors but now with where my mind is I think I wouldn't have thrived at all in such an industry but after I finished uh uni after I finished secondary, I then went to study microbiology after like trying different colleges.

And I studied that for four years. So I do, I actually have a degree in microbiology that I'm not using, which is just sitting there. Just sitting there in the back. If you need it at some point, you can pull it out. It's fine. Literally. So that's what I did. And then after studying microbiology, I decided to go to the UK to study fashion in 2014 so that was that was like the big life switch for me yeah yeah so what kind

of fashions were you wearing and when you were 14 in Nigeria what kind of stuff was trendy was there like big brands oh it depended on if you came from a family that was wealthy enough to buy you clothes from big brands i know for my family um we weren't poor but weren't rich either we were kind of comfortable and but there were a lot of us so we'll buy a lot of like secondhand clothing we would get hand-me-downs and at christmas christmas was the time when we got the brand new fancy outfit and the dresses were you know the ones with the puffy sleeve and the puffy skirt I hated those dresses because we were so itchy they were so itchy like me and my sister would find a way to cut out the nets because I think the itchiness came from the net that was underneath the dresses so we would cut out the net but once

you remove the net the dress lost the volume and the shape but it was a lot of that when we were like um younger but in our teenage years i would say a lot of um pop culture and media started to influence the way we dressed so you would see like really low rise um jeans crop tops body fitted tops off the shoulder tops and i would never forget how we used to do our makeup we would you know the black eyeliners would use that to like line around the lip and that the brows are so thin because in nollywood that's how the actresses did their makeup like and then you have like this bright gold lipstick with the black eyeliner. So is Nollywood, is that like Nigerian films and movies and stuff? Yes.

Yes. So it's like our own Hollywood. And a lot of fashion then were really like fashion style. Makeup was influenced by Nollywood. Yeah. And like maybe Destiny's Child as well. They were quite popular around that time, weren't they? Beyonce is still great, isn't she? did you see her recently when she toured oh i did and i'm glad i did because i you know that concert i was like should i should i not

so i went um i think it was last year the year before when she came to london i went to the first day it was so much fun there was a lot of back and forth on if I should go because I think when you get to a particular age it's like oh events like that you kind of just want to have like do it and like take it off your bucket list I've seen Beyonce in person she was amazing I had a good time it was like two hours long dancing screaming at the top of my voice but it was so worth it so so worth concerts I just love concerts they're so expensive though aren't they it is crazy it is it is hello you're going I was screaming and dancing um yeah no I i do i do i saw i took my husband to see

beyonce a long time ago because he lived beyonce and and it was absolutely she's all single ladies and everything it was absolutely brilliant okay so who was your first crush so do we count the crushes we had when we're in primary school you can count i'm happy to hear any crush i'm here for all the crushes we had when we're in primary school you can count i i'm happy to hear any crush i'm here for all the crushes so my very first crush we used to go to the same church he wore glasses and i just found i just felt and i tilted there i think nerds are such sexy beings to be smart and just be like i don't know i have something for nerds and that's why i ended up marrying one yeah same i'm with a consciousavow he's a nerd as well yeah same so we went to the same church and I just thought he was the most interesting thing since sliced bread I don't know what it was like

and my family knew I had a crush on him so they would tease me all the time so oh he's here he's here he's here and I'm like stop oh gosh yeah so that was my first question i was like in primary school and then it went on to like i was in like junior secondary school and i kind of was thrown into boarding school so i just imagine the hormones at a boarding school to be absolutely off the charts. Raging. That's what I'm saying. A lot of self-experimentation and discovery happens because there's puberty.

There are other girls. And then you have girls who are growing bigger boobs. Yeah. And others aren't. Girls are getting butts and others aren't. And you're just there like, when is mine going to come in? And then it feels too big.

You're considered too big. You like it's you can't win can you I found it liberating going to a girls school that I didn't really care too much what I looked about there was no boys to impress I found it quite in lessons there was no boys kind of and I've got a boy and I love boys but there's no boys like messing around you kind of could just because sometimes what because I used to be a teacher the really lovely girls would be sat next to kind of the naughty boys to like kind of control them a little bit and we didn't have that did we at a girl's school it was just we could just be ourselves um did you get to see any boys at the boarding school or is it just like no we would have um social nights where they would invite oh my god it was like the way we would get excited for those events because it would happen like once or twice in a term

yeah we would dress up we would like you see girls trying to sit as close as possible to the boys so our school had a boy version in uh in the next town so they would invite them over and we would like organize dances and music performances and drama plays and I just remember how hyped we all were that oh boys were coming and then if your crush was part of the group coming oh oh my lord it was like we were like caged animals, weren't we? We were like, if a boy, like a band from the boys' school, because we had a boys' school that was like similar to yours, came and played one break time.

Oh my, you thought the Beatles had turned up? We were like, ah! It was like these four like nerdy little boys, but any boy we were like could sniff them out. I wonder if they felt the same way about us. Do you think they got excited? They did. They definitely did.

Because a thing started to happen where they would write love letters. So after they would come for these visits, they would maybe spot a girl that they like, or they would go to our yearbooks and flip through the pages. And then if they see a girl that they like how she looks, they would write you a love letter. It's a bit like a catalogue. I'm not sure.

I know. I don't know what I think about that. Oh think about that oh right okay yeah i love that one uh page 17 right send her a letter okay so there was a catalogue and the boys would go through pick a girl now what i love about this is is 2024 girls would think that was outrageous i know i would have loved a boy to pick me out of a catalog and send me a letter I'd have been thrilled deep down we all wanted it we would pretend like we didn't care but you could tell because whenever you got a letter everyone would gather around and want to read it with you and it would be like oh my god she's desirable she must be pretty like

it kind of created this false sense of like oh you must be so attractive that a boy picked you out from a million other girls in this yearbook and wrote you a love letter even though you've never met the boy you don't know what he looks like it was so strange but deep down i think we all secretly wanted to get one um if i'd quite like one now and i'm married i quite like one now saying i saw you on page 17 of a catalogue i think do you know what you're all right though we would girls at that age you see your worth through how boys see you which is a shame isn't it yeah you know like looking back you're like well that's a bit weird but you know we were we were all the same did you um first snogs was the snogging at the discos or first kisses at the discos oh no there were no like even interactions were like super limited you couldn't i think the only

people who could talk to the boys were maybe like the prefects or the organizers who were like in charge of like bringing them in and serving them food we weren't you could have just go and start talking and like hugging and snugging oh hell no what was the point of having them there you just all stood staring at each other in a room each other of our existence like these are boys they still exist but you can't have them yet so it must be the catholicism angle perhaps is like, come on now. You know, there is, you know, there is man and woman, but you know, we're waiting. There's got to be a bit of marriage happening at some point and we're not

having, you know, my husband went to a Catholic school as well. So I'm well-versed in all the mass and everything that it has to do. That is so weird. You're just looking at the boys and then like could you wave at them oh yeah you could wave you could smile and we didn't even have phones so you couldn't take pictures or send texts you kind of just like you were like that is absolutely a bizarre so did your first kiss come after after school oh yeah I think it was like probably like one one of those holidays that gone home like in my senior secondary school years

I think that's when it happened and it was with like my first boyfriend even though my parents didn't know we were dating because it was absolutely forbidden um but yeah I just remember it feeling weird I was like oh this is what it feels like it's wet and weird but it's so wet and weird and like a washing machine and there's teeth are banging and it's just like both of you don't know what you're doing and it's like oh my lord you just want to get it out of the way, don't you? And just like, okay, cool. And then did you go back to school and you're like, I kissed a boy. Oh, God.

You would tell like your really close friends. And everyone would go, oh, what was it like? What did you do? And you would try to explain it in a way that it sounded good. But deep down, you're just like, no, it wasn't. It was wet. It was just wet is there anything that you look back at fashion apart from like your kind of itchy dresses that you wore then that you

would never wear now oh man low rise anything low rise pants Laura I see that I see you're coming back and I'm just like no make it stop I can't no no i think the reason why they're pointless it means when you sit down your your butt crack is out it's not functional at all like it only looks on the really skinny looks good on the really skinny girls but the rest of us normal formed females they just take way it's not a sitting down outfit there's some outfits that you own that aren't for sitting down outfit there's some outfits that you own that aren't for sitting down it is a standard I couldn't wear one I couldn't wear the top of my because I had um two c-sections so when you have a c-section you get like um what do they call it

it's not a platform it's like you have like a an overhang the jean would be stuck it would be stuck under the overhang and it would just be it would be merging into my skin I would be bleeding no thank you we need to keep them in the past is there anything from the past though that um you wouldn't wear now or you like incorporate into your designs now um so like maybe details or like I think it would be like fabrics I'm quite a huge fan of like denim which I know was huge in like in the 2000s yeah so denim any wash any weights because I think it's just so versatile um something that you could play around with chop it up combine it with different colors so denim is one that we wore back then and I will definitely still like use in my creations even

till today it's like eternal isn't it denim denim just is just I'm not a huge fan of a jean I find them very constricting but I like a denim jacket what if they have stretch because the ones we stretch are not as bad you know like the ones I like a jegging like a jegging yeah I like a jeg I just there's something about it that makes my privates feel like they're constricted in a denim jail of hell so I tend to just wear a skirt I'd wear a denim skirt or a denim jacket but not not not a pair of jeans okay what was your biggest teenage success do you think I used to sing like a lot and we had this like music contest um kind of like american idol but

like just within our school and i remember doing uh participating in one and i was like the first runner-up and everyone thought i was going to become a singer when i was older because i used i used to be really good at singing but when i told my parents oh i want to like you know audition for like a reality show they're like no the industry is toxic parents oh I want to like you know audition for like a reality show they're like no the industry is toxic we don't want to expose you to that which is fair as a parent but looking back now I'm just like would my life have been different if I had gone down that route like who would I have become by now you would have been Beyonce I'd have been screaming at your concert I believe in everybody.

Do you still sing now? Like if there's a karaoke? Just in church. Like when I go for maths, when I get karaoke's and everyone's always like, oh my God, Priscilla, you should sing for us. And I'm like, I actually don't sound as good

because singing like any skill, you need to like practice for it. Like, you know, still sound nice. I don't think I sound as good because singing like any skill you need to like practice for it like you know still sound nice i don't think i sound as good anymore but all my friends from high school always go oh my gosh you really should have become a singer your voice is just wasting what's your go-to karaoke song what do you get up and sing um kelly clarkson i like um break away oh my god Clarkson, I like Break Away. Oh, my God. That is such a good song. That song was iconic and it's still iconic. What was she even singing about? It's got to be Heartbreak.

I used to put that in my kitchen. Oh, my God. That is a brilliant song. Iconic. Oh, man. It would definitely be Clarkson from something from her if I was in a karaoke bar and somebody came up and sang Kelly Clarkson break away I'd be at the front just screaming at them singing it to that like break away so good okay did you have

any teenage flops did you have anything that you regret as a teenager oh um I think the one thing that comes to the top of my mind is when I was in like um junior secondary school I was bullied a lot and I just wished I had talked to my parents about it earlier because it went on for like a few years um but I wished I I cared for myself and i stood up for myself maybe not to the bully just to be like mom this is happening in school or that is happening in school can you talk to your parents talk to the teacher but i just allowed it to happen because i felt like i deserved it which is really messed up yeah so it took me a few years to like heal from that experience and you know come out and tell my parents and my mom was livid she was like what so who is doing this to who and she went to the school and yelled

and talked and everything but I think that that's the one thing that man if I could go back it's like girl stand up for yourself like yeah it's difficult and teenagers are brutal um and sometimes you don't want to cause a fuss uh i'm a real mama bear if somebody's hurting my kids i'm like you want i'm gonna go i'm gonna go i'm gonna go i'm sort of like you get like it breaks your heart you don't you know and also um children fall out a lot that's one thing I found like they thought they'll be they'll hate so and so and then two days later oh yeah I'm best friends with them now and that is just like a constant it's a constant cycle of just falling in and out of friendships it's absolutely infuriating um well don't be too hard on

yourself there's a you know you you being a teenager is tough in it you can't it's difficult to stand up for yourself do you think if you could go back in time you would say that you know come on go and tell your mom and yeah definitely it's like there's nothing to be afraid of nobody would do anything bad to you like you wouldn't be at the outcast or whatever because that was the fear of if I told someone or if I told my parents it would get worse yeah there was that fear as well but if I would go back to like my I don't know 11 or 12 year old self I'd be like I mean it's not uh it's not right what's happening is not right it's not okay tell's not right. What's happening is not right. It's not okay. Tell someone about it. Even if you can't physically stand up to the person who is doing this to you, just say something so

someone can intervene. Oh, that's so, it's such a, it's such a tough, it's such a tough life lesson, isn't it? But I think a lot of teenagers, a lot of teenagers do go through it. So at boarding school, it sounds like you didn't really have any of teenagers do go through it. So at boarding school, it sounds like you didn't really have any social media or access to phones. So it was most of your teenage years without all that stuff. Or did you have it when you were at home? No, I don't think I had a phone till I was, I would say like towards the end of my secondary school years.

Definitely. When you would come in from holiday, your parents had a fun you could play with them but we had like an internet cafe in school with computers that was internet cafes i had forgotten i used to go down like the road where you go i'm going to the internet cafe to log on to facebook or whatever i was doing it's like hey i don't know a pound internet cafe people just yeah we had one do you remember high five no what's that I'm older than you I'm older so I don't I might have missed it what is it it was before Facebook and I think it was around the MySpace era yeah it was really huge in Nigeria and that was like our social media so that was like my

introduction into like you know texting people online and uploading whatever we could upload online but ours was high five and you'd have like a username and everyone always tried to create like a really chic and interesting username yeah and just like really aloof and mysterious so all the boys were like oh my god who's that she's got such a great name oh no I haven't heard of high five I'll have to look into it but yeah internet cafes were a while and they're always like a little bit dodgy weren't they internet cafes you were like it was a little bit a little bit a little bit strange okay so do you are you glad you grew up then as a teenager or do you wish you were growing up now as a teenager oh I'm glad I grew up then I don't know

how teenagers of this era I don't know how they do it because then I already had the pressure from being a girl puberty body changes on all of that you now add social media expectations you now add the exposure to what other teenagers who have access to maybe more money and fame and whatever and you now put that unnecessary pressure on yourself in addition to puberty and body changes and boys and everything no thank you i i don't know how they do it today. I worry my own children when they are born. Yeah, it's a lot. Oh, my goodness. How do you balance everything? Yeah. But what I will say is that children today are a lot more adaptable to it.

They just kind of like I suppose your parents might have been like, oh, my gosh, is it the Internet cafe? Look at that high five. Like they won't be able to. And you were all right. So like kids are a little bit more adaptable to it, I think. And I think there are a lot more there's a lot more tolerance from them. I'm hopeful that this generation will grow up to be good. That's my. Yeah, I am. I am, I do, I do, I do. What, who, was it Whitney Houston? Who sang, I believe the children are the future.

Let them be and let them be. They are the future. Whether we'll be around for it, we don't know, but they are the future. Yeah, they are. They're, you know, I, my, I was always, I think I was always really terrified of my children becoming teenagers because i had this like perception of teenagers being like really awful but you know what they're lovely it's it's at the moment touch wood or like fake wood

um they're really lovely and i i hope they stay they're very it's very It's very sweet. It's nice. Nice having teenagers. It's as a result of how you and your partner have raised them and all of the circumstances and experience have shaped them into who they are. So you are partly responsible for that. Thanks, man. I'll take that. Thanks.

Well, thanks so much for coming on the podcast. Again, remind everybody where they can go and find you. Oh, so I am on YouTube as Kim Dave. I am on Instagram at Kim Dave Designs, on TikTok at Kim Dave Designs as well. And you can shop my brand, Ready to Wear Pieces, as well as digital sewing patterns and products at shop.kimdave.com.

There you go, guys. Go and check them out. Thanks soave.com there you go guys go and check out thanks so much for coming on the phone box podcast guys thanks so much for listening um do go and check out whatever new poll is on the instagram at the moment i think last week the poll was the best shoes that we wore when we were teenagers what shoes were you wearing when you were a teenager i can't even remember uh aside school shoes I want to say oh man I don't even know wait trainers I know not training was too hot in the interview okay so not trainers what were we I don't even remember I was I don't remember I just remember school shoes yeah yeah yeah school she yeah school shoes weren't very nice.

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