The Pomp Podcast - #1029 Colton Sakamoto & Kenny DeGiglio On The 5 Proven Ways To Get A Job In Crypto Now

Starting point is 00:00:00 What's up, everyone? This is Anthony Pompliano. Most of you know me as Pomp. You're listening to the Pomp Podcast, simply the best podcast out there. Now let's kick this thing off. Kenny DiGiulio and Colton Sakamoto both work with me on building out a three-week intensive training program that allows anyone in the world, whether you have any knowledge about Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies or not, to get up to speed on the industry and eventually be prepared to go get a job. In this conversation, we cover many of the best practices and tips on how people can get a job in the Bitcoin and crypto industry. We've now helped nearly 1,000 people over the last 18 months get a job.

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Starting point is 00:03:17 What's up, fellas? for those that don't know uh kenny and colton uh are part of the team that uh has helped i think now what are we at almost a thousand nearly a thousand about a thousand somewhere around a thousand people get a job in the bitcoin and crypto industry uh there's a number of different ways that we've done it but we're going to talk about uh what some of the key tips are so kenny maybe we start with like what's the first one there's five of these we're gonna go over yeah these are five there's a bunch more but these are like five of the most common ones that we go over Uh, and so the first one is narrow your search and this is really important. And so one of the

Starting point is 00:03:51 most common mistakes that we see from people is they kind of machine gun their resume out there and they try to send out as many applications as possible. And when they do that, they're not customizing their resume. They're not writing a cover letter. Uh, they're not doing a lot of the really important things. And so the first piece of advice is to narrow your search and, uh, narrow it as much as you possibly can. Like ideally, if you find one company, that's like your absolute dream company that you absolutely love to work for, focus all of your energy there and be absolutely relentless and basically create a situation where you're forcing them to give you a job. Two companies, five companies, this is kind of a good range. And so if you're going to focus on

Starting point is 00:04:30 five companies and you spend, you know, five hours on each company, that's 25 hours. That's much better than spending a half an hour sending your resume out to 50 companies. So that's kind of the first piece of advice. Why only focus on three or four rather than go just send out and like play the hits game? Because there's a lot of important things they need to do. So you need to customize your resume for each of the companies that you're applying to. And so you want to make sure that the role that you're applying for, the kind of mission that you are highlighting in your resume, these are all customized to the company that you're applying for. And there's just not enough time to do that for 50 companies. So that's kind of the main reason. Another big thing that we

Starting point is 00:05:12 encourage people to do is to write a cover letter. This is absolutely massive. We talked to a bunch of recruiters and they say, people who write a really good customized cover letter, it makes them stand out. Do people read those? The recruiters read them? Yeah, the recruiters absolutely read them. And it's even more of the fact of just having a cover letter, like the fact that you sat there and it's clearly, you put the time to customize what you wrote for the specific company. It just, it makes it so the recruiter is going to take a closer look at you. These recruiters are looking at so many resumes that just these little things that you can do to make yourself stand out, make a massive difference. So tactically, like what can people put in the

Starting point is 00:05:47 cover letter to make them stand out? Yeah, I think it's important to understand the mission of the company. Um, there's so many times where people just shotgun apply, like Kenny mentioned, and you actually have to, you know, understand what the company is trying to do. Um, and it's pretty easy to see who's BSing and who's not when you're reading cover letters. I've been on both sides, I've applied, and then obviously I've hired people now and the people that put the time in to craft the you know thoughtful cover letter just stand out way more all right what's the next thing one more uh one more on this topic is do not apply to a bunch of different roles within the same company this is the thing that recruiters really dislike because what it demonstrates is

Starting point is 00:06:23 a complete lack of focus right if you say i can be a project manager and a growth person and a software engineer for the same company the person the recruiter is going to be like this person's not very focused and so uh if you feel like you're a good fit for multiple roles apply to one role get your foot in the door and then have the conversation during the interview process hey i actually think i might also be a good fit for this role so got it so only apply for a small number of companies focus really high quality application customize that company and then also don't say oh there's 10 jobs at that company i could do even if that's true and we've heard some funny stories from recruiters with people but you know applying for 15 different roles you know

Starting point is 00:07:02 within a big company uh and it's just like there's no way you're a qualified candidate for 15 of these roles can we talk about one other thing and this isn't one of the tips but uh uh we've seen many people who've applied uh who have said that hey so i'm gonna uh uh take this job if i get hired and it's gonna be my second job and they just like explicitly say that out front and i feel like uh i we've talked about it privately like do people just at other companies like okay yeah cool we'll be your second job i i don't know i don't know it just feels like i i get it if um in certain industries i get it in a lot of like shift work and things like that like that's very common but in the tech industry where the hours could be you know more than like a normal job

Starting point is 00:07:48 it just blew me away the first time that somebody said it to us i was like wait so you you're saying that you want this job but you're gonna keep your current job and you're gonna have two okay uh i gotta think about that one yeah maybe if you're working for a dow or something but if you're like at a legit company and they're laser focused on their mission you probably shouldn't be uh doing multiple jobs that one just blew my mind and like it happened like more than once and i was like yeah man all right uh is that weird or am i weird like all right what's the second uh what's the second tip you want to go with this one you got it all right cool uh be bold but remain patient and so basically what this means is that finding the perfect opportunity often takes time but it

Starting point is 00:08:28 doesn't mean that you should basically just sit there and wait for something to fall into your lap. And so something that we found is, especially for the higher kind of VP level and above, the time that it takes to land the perfect role is usually higher, because there's just a smaller number of jobs for someone who's kind of at that C level or the VP level. So it is going to take a little bit of time, the timeframe is the most variable thing. But it doesn't mean you should just kind of sit there and wait for something to happen. So some of the things that we've had, uh, you know, we've seen people have success with, these are things that are like a little bit more creative is, uh, sending the company's Twitter account, a creative DM. Uh, and so a lot

Starting point is 00:09:04 of these things are people like things that people are like, nah, it's not worth my time. This will never get noticed. We've seen all of this stuff work. Uh, and so if you are a really big fan of a certain company, you use their products, you are a fan of their mission. Uh, you kind of like the change that they're trying to make in the world, send them a creative DM, say, hey, this is what I think about your business. This is how you've impacted me. I just wanted to introduce myself. I'd really love to work here and just kind of leave it at that. There's a chance that they might notice it and it might kind of lead to something. So we've seen that work. A couple other things that we've seen work is just reaching, this is a kind of a simple

Starting point is 00:09:39 one, reaching out to a recruiter or the hiring manager through email, LinkedIn, or Twitter. And the key here is offer them something valuable, entertaining, or interesting. Don't reach out and say, Hey, what can you do for me? Make them laugh. Uh, I mean, you, you're a big proponent of this memes is a big one. Uh, or basically, you know, if you're looking at a sales role, you can say, Hey, I did a little bit of research. These are some ideas that I have. It would be awesome if we can have a conversation. Uh, and so these are things that are a little bit more outside of the box, but there's really no downside, lower probability, but if they work, they kind of really work. And so really it's like a, an effort and a, a showcase of how thoughtful you are about

Starting point is 00:10:19 the business or what they're doing is really what it comes down to. Yeah. I think also you can learn a lot about the company culture just by talking to more people. So I think, you know, trying to connect with more people, um, you know, gives you a better advantage. How many people, uh, do you think out of the thousand or so that we've seen get jobs, uh, in the last, I don't know, probably 18 months, I think we're coming up on how many of those people got a job at a company because they knew somebody in the company versus they were able to kind of walk through the front door and they actually didn't know anyone in the company. Do we have like a, just a ballpark? Is it majority know somebody or majority don't know somebody. With the training program specifically, we've

Starting point is 00:10:53 noticed that as more people get hired, they sort of like bring more people with them. So like referrals do matter. And it sucks to kind of say that you have to know someone at a company to get a job. But it certainly does help quite a bit. So it's almost like you don't have to know someone to get the job, but it helps drastically if that's the situation. Right. And then that person can go to bat for you for the recruiting managers and help you kind of along the process and tell you what worked for them yeah i mean it's very similar like a sales uh process of you know the first rule of sales other than like always be closing is like find the champion internally who's going to be the person that kind of shepherds you through the sales process and gets you to the close and this

Starting point is 00:11:28 is very similar and the way to do that though is to make genuine relationships with people so this kind of like quid pro quo networking it doesn't really work so kind of i'll do this for you you do this for me what works is just becoming friends with people over a long period of time and then when an opportunity presents itself, they're a lot more willing to kind of go to bat for you. And then one more thing about making these connections is a lot of companies in the space have either a Telegram or a Discord or both. And so just joining the group, engaging with people, providing value, that's another really good and kind of creative way to get to know people within an organization. Yeah, that makes sense. All right, what's the next one? The next one is,

Starting point is 00:12:08 this is a big one. Put yourself out there by sharing your ideas in public. All right. So this is something that sounds easy i mean you know better than anyone else putting your ideas out there in public is really tough and it kind of sucks sometimes i've met more people in this entire industry through this than anything else exactly networking events all this nonsense whatever uh it's led to me investing in companies it's led to me uh hiring people it's led to me partnering with people it's led to me doing all kinds of different things is just seeing uh it's kind of like proof of work right like oh you've done the work obviously you're doing something interesting. Right. People like Will Clemente and Dylan LeClaire do a great job of like putting

Starting point is 00:12:44 their work out there. I think a lot more people could learn from that. Yeah. And it doesn't have to be so data driven, like analysis, right? It could be anything. Are there examples that we've seen of somebody doing this really well and it leading to a job? Yeah, there's a lot of them. I think kind of the important thing to highlight here before we get any deeper is the kind of success of what you're doing is measured by views, any of that stuff. It doesn't matter. What matters is that when you're in the job application process and when you're in the interview process, you have something that you can point towards

Starting point is 00:13:16 that shows the hiring manager, the recruiter, like this is the type of person I am and this is the way that I think. And so it can be something as simple as you have a conversation about Bitcoin with one of your friends on Zoom, you record it and you toss it up on YouTube. You don't need any intro music.

Starting point is 00:13:31 You don't need any artwork. Like it can be something as simple as that. And I think kind of once people understand that, it becomes a lot easier because people are like, I got to create a podcast. I need a name. It seems kind of complicated. Um, it doesn't need to be, it's kind of whatever you enjoy doing anyway, whether it's writing, whether it's having conversations on Twitter spaces or clubhouse, any of that stuff kind of do, do whatever kind of suits your strength because then you'll do it over a long period of time. Uh, if you're doing

Starting point is 00:13:57 something where you're kind of forcing it and it feels like work, you're going to pump a couple of them out and then you're going to quit. One of the things that, uh, I definitely, I'm just thinking through like people i've either hired or uh i've helped get jobs at various companies is uh if somebody shows up like hey i've got you know millions of followers like okay there must be some value assigned here like let me go do more research to see like are those followers real or whatever uh but there is another thing of just like if somebody's like hey for the last six months every single day i've written something yep or you know every week for the last year i've written something even if no one really reads it you pretty much can go and read that

Starting point is 00:14:33 stuff. And in about five minutes, understand this is someone that's worth spending more time on. It could be interesting for this specific role or this company, or, Hey, that's awesome. You put all this effort in, but like, you're probably not a good fit for this specific, uh, you know, role or company. And it gets back to this idea of, uh, the persistence it takes. You really got to care. You really got to be excited about something. And so if you're willing to publish whatever it is, whether it's audio, video, uh, written word tweets, like whatever, if you're willing to do that over and over and over again, it's almost in some cases more impressive when they do it and they have no traction. Right. Because you're like, man, you're really yelling

Starting point is 00:15:09 into that empty room, but like, you're not stopping. Yep. That's probably somebody who could be helpful to a certain type of business. Exactly. And like, you are just a certain type of person if you've written something every single day for a year, especially if no one's paying attention to it. And so that's kind of like, this is the type of person I am. And then the actual content gives people a glimpse into the way that you actually think. So those are kind of the two pieces of it i think it shows at a minimum that you're consistent and dependable yeah well it's um uh also uh the clarity of thought it takes like that people was asking like why do i write the uh uh email every morning it's like because it forces me to sit down and

Starting point is 00:15:44 think yeah like you you can't write without thinking right and so uh to some degree uh also having conversation interviewing somebody whatever it does force this like clarity i thought that's pretty interesting uh what's the next one all right next one uh pretty simple again but there's kind of quite a bit to it uh find a community of people who share your interest and develop long-term friendships with these people so we kind of already started talking about this one um maybe colin do you want to get started with this one yeah i mean i think the crypto community is is super tight-knit and the closer you can get to the people at the companies and kind of learn the mission and kind of what these people are like um the better better off you'll be

Starting point is 00:16:24 Yeah, so some ideas for how to do this. Start attending Bitcoin meetups in your local area. If you're in a city or close to a city, there definitely are Bitcoin or crypto meetups. If there isn't one, maybe if you're more rural, start one yourself. Again, that proof of work, you're a certain type of person if you have the persistence to start a meetup. attend conferences the bitcoin conference this year is amazing it's always good to attend conferences engage with social media or on social media with people who who you find interesting many people are super active on twitter for example and they're just consuming content start engaging with other people's posts start tweeting yourself that definitely helps and then join discord and telegram groups for things that interest you so we kind of already talked about a lot of companies have discord and telegram groups but then there's a bunch of different groups out there that where people with common common interests come together one piece

Starting point is 00:17:20 uh i don't think this is actually unique of this industry but definitely i've seen it play out multiple times is if you become uh a known member of a community right so like there's accounts on twitter right now that uh talk about bitcoin all day long they're they're constantly uh posting information they're replying to people they're doing all this they're in the twitter spaces they're whatever they're just known they're like kind of around and many people are like i don't even know what that person does but they're around and they're known uh and the information they share people like oh i i like that they're um you know working if they then show up and they're like hey by the way like i'm looking for a job in some ways they serve as a magnet then many people

Starting point is 00:18:01 reach out like oh you're like a free agent like oh we would love to have you come join our team and so you can spend time trying to be uh kind of a hunter and like let me go find the job let me go convince people or you can almost like build up all of this uh like almost social capital to some degree you're building your brand yeah and then and then you almost like capitalize on it i guess right yeah no it's definitely interesting i think kind of the more you put yourself out there um the more like luck sort of comes to you luck's not real but that's a whole other thing for those well for those that don't know luck is a psychological concept uh probability is a mathematical concept okay and uh facts uh and luck is proven go read the research you can make

Starting point is 00:18:43 yourself more lucky by simply telling yourself that you're lucky because it's psychological unlucky yeah i mean this is like actually this is an important part like the search for a job is very much uh tactical in terms of do i know what the role is do i understand how to tactically you know kind of position myself to be uh seen as valuable for this company what can i do should i follow up after the interview should i not how do i communicate like there's all that stuff but there's also this psychological thing uh similar to sales which is like you may get told no day after day after day after day for weeks or even worse not hear back at all that's the thing that really bothers people and it's something that you kind of just need to learn

Starting point is 00:19:23 how to deal with is there's going to be a large percentage of the companies you reach out to especially if you're going through their careers page you're kind of reaching out like cold you're just not going to hear back and in some cases people kind of feel better getting a no rather than just hearing nothing at all so i think that's right and if you can continuously go look for a job or go and do the things it'll take to get a job uh what you begin to realize is that um you know uh luck is where what is it uh opportunity meets preparation or whatever like what all these like uh sayings everyone's like oh that's like a stupid like you know feel good saying but there's research there's a lot of research that suggests literally telling yourself that

Starting point is 00:20:03 you're lucky literally going out and saying uh that you're going to be able to figure this out for whatever reason it drives something from your brain into your actions and you will go eventually accomplish it and we've seen people i mean there's uh for those that don't know uh moist who many of you may know from the youtube comments uh he went through the training program He was a new graduate out of college, had basically no experience in kind of a professional setting. He was in college. As he left, he went through the program, got up to speed on all of the kind of Bitcoin and crypto industry. And then nothing happened for him for a number of, I think, weeks, if not months.

Starting point is 00:20:40 The interesting thing about him is it was Moist, another guy, Alan Helm, who you had on the show, and then Sean Amick. They all now work in the industry. Sean's a writer for Bitcoin Magazine, paid writer. He contributed for free for a really long time. uh alan works for the conference for bitcoin inc and then moist now works at blockware um they met each other i think during the first week of our training program last probably a year ago they started a podcast and they were doing the podcast consistently and always on twitter spaces and that's basically how all three of them ended up finding a job interesting and so it's just

Starting point is 00:21:12 it's like you know from a probabilities perspective it doesn't seem like all three of them just got lucky it was because they worked really hard and kind of got nothing for a really long time and then all eventually found positions that are, I mean, perfect for them. Yeah. I mean, again, it's a proven thing that if you do these things, you increase the probability you're going to get a job. What's the next one? All right. This is a really big one. Focus on your strengths. All right. So one of the apps, like we hear this all the time. I take calls with people all the time. And this is one of the first things they say is they say something like, I'm not a software engineer. I don't know how to code. I have no idea how I'd be able to land a role at a crypto

Starting point is 00:21:48 company. And the kind of misconception there is, is they think the only roles that are available within these organizations are software engineering roles, you know, roles where you need to learn how to code. And that's just absolutely not correct. The companies in this industry need people to fill roles across all functions. Like at the end of the day, they're just businesses. So all of the functions that every business needs, all these Bitcoin and crypto companies need. So they need HR people, they need marketing people, they need growth people, they need salespeople, and the list goes on. And so what you shouldn't do is if you're someone where you have a 10 year, like a decade long career in finance, and you're better than 80% of the global population at whatever finance

Starting point is 00:22:28 role you've been doing, what you shouldn't do is try to drop your finance experience, learn how to code and then try to compete with other software engineers, because the people you're going to compete be competing against, well, they have a decade of experience, and many of them are just savants, they're just really smart. And so you're not going to be able to compete with them anyway. And so what you should do is if you've spent a decade in a finance role within a big corporation or whatever it might be, you should leverage that experience and figure out how you can use that experience to add value to one of the companies in the industry. I don't have the exact number, but over 85% or so of the people who have landed roles

Starting point is 00:23:03 through the job board and the training program are non-technical roles. And so basically any function that a business has, all of these crypto and Bitcoin companies need people to build out those functions yeah it goes back to this idea of it's still a company exactly and so they they have seen these functions uh but colton i know that you and i've talked a lot about also uh this idea um if you're going to do accounting you don't just get to say like oh i'm super into bitcoin let me work in your accounting department right like you have to be able to count right but like it helps to have a ton of accounting experience and and so there's almost like two uh requirements and each company is different in terms of how much they care about

Starting point is 00:23:41 kind of the severity of your knowledge base and the role dependent as well. But if you're good at accounting and you're really excited about Bitcoin, there's probably a Bitcoin company that's looking for somebody to do accounting, right? Right, I think Shane's a good example. He was recently up on Twitter Spaces with us

Starting point is 00:23:56 and he spent a number of years at a public accounting firm, realized that he kind of wanted to work in Bitcoin and crypto, didn't really know how an accountant fit in. And then he realized, oh yeah, these are just companies. And so he kind of leveraged the Crypto Academy

Starting point is 00:24:09 to start an accountant job at Masari. Yeah. And it makes a lot of sense. What else you got? So those are the big five. There's a lot of kind of smaller nuance things, things that we spend a ton of time talking about in the training program, but those are kind of five that we always give to people. And some of them seem pretty obvious at first, but as we saw when you dive into them, there's a lot of nuance there. So for those that don't know, I just dropped the link into the chat. There's a three-week intensive program that we've created. We've been running it now for over a year. We worked with a

Starting point is 00:24:40 number of hr teams in the industry to develop the curriculum to really focus on what are the skill sets that people need to have there's three parts of that program uh there's about 60 events during this three-week period uh we've helped a ton of people get a job uh coming out of it but there's three parts that i want to quickly go over uh the first is uh resume review and interview prep talk a little bit about like what happens there for people to be able to uh kind of be in a better position and put their best foot forward as they go to apply yeah yeah so we have a career coach her name's claire she does a really good job kind of diving into the nuances of you know what it takes to build out a resume and a cover letter and kind of builds off of these five

Starting point is 00:25:17 pillars that kenny's identified um but super important to have a clear plan and she helps people kind of map that out yeah and then uh when it comes to things like interview prep how much of it is like there's a playbook and you should go in to the interview and like have the playbook versus uh it's more so just like best practices if you will uh and kind of like the right mindset to being in the interview? There's definitely a right way to do things. And then but a lot of his mindset. So a really good example is people get for whatever reason, really obsessive over their resume, they want it to be perfect. And what ends up happening a lot of the times, especially if you do a lot of other things, right is your resume gets you into the door. And then

Starting point is 00:25:54 in the interview process, you don't even look at the resume, you kind of start a conversation with the person that you're interviewing with. And it kind of is a little bit more natural. But a lot of people hold off doing a lot of the other really important things that are going to give them like real leverage, because they're obsessed with making their resume perfect. And so that's kind of like a mindset thing. But then when it comes to actually creating your resume and improving it, there's a very specific set of best practices that we go over for exactly what you should do the most efficient way to develop your resume, how to write a really good cover letter. And Claire's put together this these amazing career resources. So we have this like giant spreadsheet. It has

Starting point is 00:26:31 like 10 different tabs and it's like this is the way that you track companies you've reached out to this is how you organize your research and so i think it's probably 50 50 right like there's a best way to do a lot of the things related to resume and the job search but then you got to make sure your mindset's right or else you're going to get stuck on kind of these weird things that we usually see people get stuck on yeah uh the last one is uh there's like a three hour session it started out it's supposed to be like 30 minutes or an hour and now i think it's extended and every time they do it, it's like three hours on self-custody. Talk a little bit about what happens during that kind of deep dive on like how to do self-custody. Yeah. So this has become

Starting point is 00:27:07 quite the monster. It's a self-custody deep dive. It happens in the second week of the program. And it's pretty much three hours now. We say it's two and a half, but it's three hours if we're being honest. And basically it's me and one of our other amazing coaches, Mac, really nice guy from Australia, we spend the first hour on why is self custody important. And we go through all of the reasons why it's it's so important. The second hour kind of answers the question of how do you self custody. And we go from the very basics. So like, if you're someone who you maybe haven't even bought Bitcoin yet, or you have Bitcoin sitting on an exchange, all the way to if you're someone who you already have air gap, multi sig and you know, really advanced people, we try to

Starting point is 00:27:49 make sure that everyone learns something new along the way. So the second hour is on like, how do you self custody? And then the third hour is q&a. So basically, any questions that anyone has, we make sure that they're answered. And so self custody is so important, because it's really important from an individual like sovereignty perspective, like everyone should know how to self custody. But then from the job search perspective, being able to have a really in depth conversation about self custody. Again, it's one of those indications that you're someone who's really really into this stuff and you spent a lot of time with these ideas so if you guys had to say there's one thing that could increase the probability somebody gets a job is it just

Starting point is 00:28:28 effort or is there something else yeah effort and diligence i think just being like super precise and like remembering quality over quantity yeah i mean it seems pretty straightforward right if they just do the work yeah all right where can we send people to uh to find the program or find the job marketplace uh for the training program it's going to be the crypto academy.io and then good job marketplace palm crypto jobs.com all right fellas i appreciate it uh thank you sir we are now at a thousand it's a little hard to measure because some of it's self-reported yeah uh we're about at a thousand by the way colton uh profile picture there uh yeah real uh no cap so hold on in 30 seconds or less explain to me bussing he's just like uh i don't know it's cool

Starting point is 00:29:17 but what does it mean bussing it's bussing but like what does that mean like dope or cool but like gen z slang no cath it just they somebody randomly was like let's just use the word bussing yeah i saw that word on the internet and i was like a damn i'm getting old man yeah all right And then I saw the hair thing and I saw that I was like, see, when I was younger, like there'd be slang. It was just words. Now there's like words that go with the, uh, with the memes. I'm, uh, Ooh, you know, I'm going to have to go hang out with some, uh, some 22 year

Starting point is 00:29:50 old people who could teach me, uh, all the new slang. Cause, uh, if somebody in an interview hit me with a, yeah, I'm bussing. They'd be like, you're leaving. Okay. All right. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. Thanks so much for listening to today's episode.

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