The Pomp Podcast - #1107 Madison Malloy - Stop Being Offended & Lighten The F*ck Up

Episode Date: October 20, 2022

Madison Malloy is a comedian, producer, podcast host of "Next To Madison", and author of the new book "Time To Lighten The F*ck Up". In this conversation, we discuss her career as a comedian, escaping tunnel vision, why we need to be offended, and Madison's book about the various ways you can improve your life right now. ======================= Compass Mining is the world's first online marketplace for bitcoin mining hardware and hosting. Compass was founded with the goal of making it easy for everyone to mine bitcoin. Visit https://compassmining.io/ to start mining bitcoin today! ======================= Bullish is a powerful new exchange for digital assets that offers deep liquidity, automated market making, and industry-leading security. Combining the innovations of DeFi with the regulated environment of traditional finance, Bullish empowers users to trade with certainty and earn passively at scale across variable market conditions, in an environment backed by multibillion-dollar liquidity contributions from the Bullish Treasury. Visit bullish.com/pomp today to learn more. Note: Bullish is licensed by the Gibraltar Financial Services Commission. Virtual assets and related products are high risk. Consult your investment advisor and trade responsibly. Bullish is available in select locations only and not to U.S persons. Visit bullish.com/legal for important information and risk warnings. ======================= Valour (formerly DeFi Technologies) represents what’s next in the digital economy -- providing simplified, trusted access to crypto, decentralized finance and Web 3.0 investment opportunities. Institutions and investors can gain diversified, secure, compliant, and easily tradable access to a diversified set of industry-leading equity products and protocols, through a single stock purchase on a regulated exchange. Currently listed on U.S. (OTC: DEFTF) and Canadian (NEO:DEFI) exchanges. For more information or to subscribe to receive company updates and financial information, visit our website at valour.com ======================= Arculus is the next generation crypto & NFT cold storage wallet that combines one of the world’s strongest security protocols with the easiest to use form factor and app. Arculus requires 3-Factor Authentication to ensure only you have access to your digital assets – something you know – a PIN, something you have – the Arculus Key Card, and biometrics. Learn more and buy it now on getarculus.com. Use promo code POMP to save 15%. Remember, with Arculus, it’s your keys, your crypto. ======================= LMAX Digital - the market-leading solution for institutional crypto trading & custodial services - offers clients a regulated, transparent and secure trading environment, together with the deepest pool of crypto liquidity. LMAX Digital is also a primary price discovery venue, streaming real-time market data to the industry’s leading analytics platforms. LMAX Digital - secure, liquid, trusted. Learn more at LMAXdigital.com/pomp =======================

what's up everyone this is anthony pompliano most of you know me as pomp you're listening to the pomp podcast simply the best podcast out there now let's kick this thing off madison malloy is a comedian a producer podcast host of next with madison and also the author of a brand new book called time to lighten the fuck up self-help guide with a side of humor in this conversation we talked about everything including escaping tunnel vision her comedic career and why exactly a bunch of you who are sitting at home right now not happy with your lives should read her book and how you can turn your life around i really enjoyed this conversation with madison i hope you guys enjoy it as well when you get done listening to it find us on social

media and let us know why we're dumb why we're smart what you liked or what you didn't all right Let's get in this episode with Madison. I hope you guys enjoyed this one. Anthony Pompliano runs Pomp Investments. All views of him and the guests on his podcast are solely their opinions and do not reflect the opinions of Pomp Investments. You should not treat any opinion expressed by Pomp

or his guests as a specific inducement to make a particular investment or follow a particular strategy, but only as an expression of his personal opinion. This podcast is for informational purposes only. All right, guys, bang, bang. I've got Madison here. I think one of the common themes of a ton of people I've talked to is it's people who just

like bet on themselves and kind of pave their own path in the world, which I know that you've done multiple times. When you think of that specific thing, people who are watching or listening to this, it really resonates with them. They're like, Oh, I want to be able to do that, but I'm scared. Or like, what if it doesn't work? Or like, what are the 27 steps that I need to write out and make sure that like my mom, dad, brother, sister, everyone signs off on before I go do it. It doesn't seem like you did any of that it seems like you kind of just like jumped one day like how do you think about paving your path in a different way uh in kind of like internet age well i the internet's been great obviously there's some downfalls of the internet but the internet's amazing because

it has provided people with so much opportunity that they probably wouldn't have had and i feel like now if you want to be famous or be a content creator or be a brand ambassador like you can you You can pretty much do anything you want to, but you have to believe in yourself first. So obviously it's just starting. A lot of people don't start businesses because they look at step A to Z and they go, there's just so much to do. I'm so overwhelmed. I'm never going to do this.

How about you just do A, B, and C, and then you move on to the next ones. And so it's always like, just start. If you have a good idea, don't, sometimes you don't want to tell people about it because you just don't want the energy around it. but I think it's like, if you believe in it, there's nothing holding you back except for yourself. Yeah. Uh, you mentioned if you want to be famous on the internet, do you think most comedians and people who like try to go do, uh, the intersection of content touring, you know, audience building, like whatever this, uh, way you want to describe it? Is that the

ultimate goal is like be famous? Is it like a performance? How did you think about it when you first started? Like what drove you to actually want to go do this? Well, fame and money are, they kind of go hand in hand yeah or at least you think they go hand in hand when you start yeah so you you want to be famous or else you wouldn't be putting yourself out there and you wouldn't be like when i started comedy did i think that this road would be so long and that it would take me in so many different directions absolutely not i would have never started really never started if somebody told me you're gonna start comedy you're gonna have some uh you know little successes along the way you're going to meet a lot of great people but you're not really going

to have any like financial windfalls for over 10 years or 12 years i would have said i'm out is that a better way to do it though right like would you have rather the first time you go up on stage it's a hit there's like an agent in the crowd and they're like bam i found the next absolute savage they're going to be the most famous comedian ever here's like a hundred million deal or would you rather like the miracle actually i think it's called a fantasy i don't think that's ever happened in the history of all of comedians but like i kind of feel like when you talk to comedians like part of the thing that they enjoy the most or that they respect is that like anybody who's reached any level of success has like been on the grind a little bit is that true a hundred

The stuff you have to do, the events you sacrifice, the dating, your time with friends, missing weddings, there's so much you sacrifice for to get paid hardly anything to try to like become the next big thing and entertain these people. You have to love it or else you're going to jump off a bridge because it is a very depressing road if you don't love it. So if you were starting all over from scratch today, what do you think the path to like fame and money is for a comedian, right? The internet's here. We have all these different people who have done so many different things. Like what is the path in your mind today where it's like, all right, this is the playbook. The first thing I think anyone needs to have is confidence.

If you do not have confidence, your road is just going to be a lot longer because if you don't have it, you're going to be hesitant to put out the content you need to get discovered. you're going to question everything you're not going to take the risk that you need to be on stage so it's definitely like the confidence and then the confidence will equal being able to create more content because you believe in yourself so you think content on the internet is really the key even more so than touring or anything else it's like how do you just create content now maybe touring feeds into that uh or whatever but it's like if you have confidence and you can create tons of content and you're actually whole you know funny hilarious whatever then you

got a shot yeah yeah that's it it's just it's just a content game yeah it's amazing what somebody can do with a fan base like i've watched comics that have that are recently they're kind of new and but they had a big following on social media and they wanted to do comedy and they're very successful and because they have the big following they can fill up the theaters and you could be the best comic or the worst comic. And you can still book a theater as long as you can fill the seats. The booker isn't looking, oh, are you good enough for this? Do you meet our criteria? They're looking to put asses in the seats. And if you can meet that with a huge following, guess what? You're going to make a lot of money. Walk me through just high level economics,

so I'm a comedian. I start out. I've got a good enough following. I'm going to a city uh, where I've got a pretty good base in that city. Am I trying to sell 50 tickets, 500 tickets? Like early in my career, what is like the size of the audiences that people are having to sell? And then what does that actually translate in terms of, uh, maybe the ticket price? And then how much does the comic get versus the venue or whatever? So it kind of depends on the venue, but the experiences that I've had is when you're on the road and you're doing some of these clubs, you know, you want to sell between two to four to 500, depending on what the club will kind of seat. But if you're an independent artist or an independent producer, so to say for the show,

um, some clubs will, they'll give you 80% of the door. So if you can sell that out and you're charging 20 or 25 bucks ticket and you're taking home 80%, you had a pretty good weekend. Yeah. A couple thousand bucks right out of the gate and for, you know, a night's worth of work. now i did a wednesday i remember in denver and i had that deal at the denver improv okay and i got all my friends to come out and it was amazing we sold the thing out there's 350 people there and i received the check that night and the next day i was on the table getting lasik in cash what oh yeah so wait a second your friends paid for your lasik surgery basically I told some big jokes and now I've got 2020 vision. Yeah, that's perfect. The, the, the part

of this that, that just, I'm so fascinated by is like the internet created all of these different tools. And some people have used the tools amazingly well. Some people even use them to become president of the United States, right? Like literally, uh, anything is possible on the internet now. But the other part of it is it's not just the content creation. It's the monetization as well. Like, so you're talking about, Hey, if you're able to get yourself in a position where you're a kind of a producer of the event, you can get 80%. Someone somewhere along the way taught you that, or told you, Hey, you can do this versus the comic who just is like, Oh yeah, I'll come and a couple hundred bucks or whatever. And I'll just perform. So like, how do you think over the last

decade or so the business of this entire industry changed? Is it just that like enough comedians tried enough things to eventually put themselves in a position where they understood, or is it no technology changed. And so now people can do different things. Like, like what changed that allowed you to do stuff like that? Well, I don't know if it like necessarily changed. So what happens is when you start being a comic, you need to get stage time. And so a lot of your gigs are unpaid. And so a great way to build relationships and get stage time is to produce your own shows, whether it's at a bar or a smaller room in a club, as long as you can fill the seats, the clubs don't care so it's it's a money game and so like you would do that and then you would

learn like okay it's usually like a door deal which is great um i remember i did one show one time i was doing like a temp job just to pay my bills when i was slinging as a comedian and i invited the whole office and the the guy said listen the owner of the club said i just want the drinks if you can pack this place out i'm gonna give you 100 at the door really i got 90 people to show up from that office. I made more that night than I did like working 40 hours a week for two weeks. Yeah. I mean, it was great. It's pretty incredible how, uh, much of life is in negotiation. Like in other countries, you literally can go to a certain store and like, you can negotiate the price in America, maybe not as much. Um, but, but like there are many

things in life where, uh, if you are entrepreneurial and you have that skillset and you enjoy negotiating, right which some people don't but if you do enjoy that like you can really put yourself in a position to be successful for simply producing if you're willing to bet on yourself oh absolutely i mean if you took two people and you you measured their confidence level and you took the one that was more confident and you said okay you guys are given the same task you're going to go into the same club and you're going to get yourself booked and you guys have the same amount of people that you think can come in you can sell out the show who's going to get the better deal the one with more confidence because you believe in yourself how did you get so much confidence i didn't always

have confidence okay i actually people were shocked by that a lot because i came off very confident um but i was heavily insecure and i think it made my path in comedy longer because i was afraid i literally lived in fear of what fear i just anxiety of like what's gonna happen what are they going to think? What if I do bad? And then my friends come and they think I'm a loser. What are people going to think of me? And finally, when I was able to kind of with that through a lot of kind of like inner work and then listening to a lot of like self-help podcasts and just kind of realize, I think it was honestly, I came across a near death experience video and I'm fascinated by these things. Wait, what? Okay. Like, so people, have you seen these videos?

What is the video? So if you just type in near-death experience, there's going to be tons of them. So there are people that have died. You realize that's a weird thing to search for on the internet? Well, it came across, like, on my feed. I feel like it was, like, fate, okay? All right. So now I'm like, oh, this is great.

So there's all these people that have died. They cross over. They either see their relatives or they meet Jesus or God. And they come back, and they're completely changed because everything is put into perspective. okay and so i was so fascinated by this that i started watching more okay and then it came out that there was like a life review right and they're basically uh these are people talking about the experience basically dying and coming back yeah okay and just like how amazing it was up there and how how we have a mission here and we have a purpose and my purpose wasn't done so i

had to come back and what they all came back and said is that i have no more fear i have no fear of what people think. I have no fear of dying. I have, we aren't designed to be fearful. Our society promotes fear. And obviously the media promotes fear because they need to keep you tuned in and control. So the fear. So that was a video where I thought, you know, it kind of put into perspective, wow, I could die at any moment. Any of us could be gone. Do I want my life review that some of these people talked about to be showing, oh, this is where you were too scared to do this. This is where you didn't believe in yourself to do this. This is what you could have been had you not been so fearful and lacked confidence.

It's the Bezos regret minimization, right? Where basically when you're 80 years old and you look back on your life, how do you make decisions today so that when you do that look back, you have as few regrets as possible. And if you can do that successfully, you probably live a pretty good life. You live a great life. Because at the end of the day, like, think about it. People worry about what people think and that will keep you stuck in whatever situation that you're in. But when somebody passes you on the street and they're wearing, like, a stupid outfit and maybe you judge them based on it for a quick second, two minutes later, you've already moved on with your day. You're not even thinking about them.

so people need to realize like people will judge you but they're really not that concerned about you they're concerned about themselves so don't be fearful of what they think because it doesn't matter this is like the troll problem on the internet is uh almost never do you see someone who's highly successful punching down talking shit trolling other people it's always the people who are insecure depressed upset uh have some issue in their life and you you should feel bad like like it is actually sad that that gives them some sort of release or uh uh enjoyment in their life but could you imagine if jeff bezos or uh elon musk or whoever was on the internet all day and like talking shit to you know avatars like just random people or whatever like you just don't

see it that often right yes there are exceptions but you don't see that often and i think a huge piece of it is because those people are more focused on like what they're doing than on you know how do i tear down other people maybe i don't know yeah well i think the key to happiness is to focus focus on what you're doing don't worry about other people you know but i always say like somebody asked me an interesting question can you cuss on this podcast do whatever the fuck you want okay good okay just just checking i'm like you did bring me on i've got fucking my book title um and then i just had a brain fart i remember somebody asked you a question a really interesting question and then you asked me if you could curse on the podcast

and then the thought just totally escaped escaped can i go back to one thing on the near-death uh experience there's supposedly like some kind of uh uh doctor or like person who uh helps people who've gone through this experience uh polina was recently telling me that she's like there's this guy and that's all he does is he like talks to the people who died and then came back or whatever and he's supposedly like laser focused on like this shit's real yeah oh 100 i mean i 100 obviously believe in the afterlife okay and but like what's there i didn't think we're gonna have this heavy conversation today but like so uh i'm gonna give you two data points And then you tell me what you think the afterlife's like.

I saw, I'm going to call it a meme. I don't think it was meant to be a meme. I think it was more of like a nice image that's supposed to speak very deeply to your senses. But I called those memes. And it was two babies in a womb and they were like talking to each other. And they were like, oh, man, there's nothing after this. Like, you know, oh, this is like cool life right now. You know, no, don't go towards the light, you know, whatever.

and then like it's like then they're born they get into the whole world and so the whole idea is like it just is the second version is like us saying that on uh you know on earth and then eventually there's some afterlife but then the second thing is uh there's like the science community and the science community will hit you with the like there is no evidence so how do you settle those two things of uh what i'll call belief religion you know whatever versus like the science piece well there are some scientists that have actually like well first of all speaking of science energy can't die and we're energy so therefore we can't die so and if you look at like the universe and the law of attraction you go down that hole we're a collective conscious right so your thoughts are

creating your energy or creating everything now for me being religious it's like we're we come here to have a human experience when we actually belong up there so i think it's it's from what i've heard from people as well but it's just this amazing uh life where there's no pain no fighting just peace just chilling reconnected with your loved ones which makes it even funnier when people are like i got to the gates and they were like nah go back you're not done yet right like damn they didn't let you in like that's how i always think is like uh to some degree getting saying I had didn't fulfill my purpose yet is also a way to say like, I got rejected. I know. Right. Well, it's like, you can't come yet. So you may get up, you may get in later,

but like right now you're not allowed in. Yeah. So, but that should wake enough people up to where it's like, okay, so I do have a purpose. All of us are given gifts and given purposes. It's our job to then tap into those and find out what they are to be able to, when we do die, that we actually get let in so there's a a movie uh coach carter uh samuel jackson i think is uh he plays coach carter and uh and he keeps asking uh uh the players like what are you scared of what are you scared of and what he's essentially trying to get them to do is recite the famous poem quote whatever uh like we basically fear ourselves right like we fear what we're actually capable of accomplishing and uh i think there's a lot of people who will listen to this podcast

other podcasts who they're like, uh, uh, droning, right? I call it a droning. They're just going through their day and they're kind of just going through the motions. Cause that's what they think they're supposed to do. And the only time that they kind of get shaken with reality is a near death experience is, uh, uh, something catastrophic. Uh, somebody gets hurt, something happens in the life that kind of shakes them and wakes them up. But you kind of look at this and you're like, man there's a large portion of the population that are just droning and so how do you think like a hundred you can get those people out of kind of just doing what they've always done and they wake up you know 40 years later like oh shit where'd my life go yeah well i'll share a quick

story about i didn't realize i was i droned for a long time oh you're a droner i used to not anymore but i used to and i remember i would wake up and i would be like you know kind of tired i didn't have the energy. It wasn't motivated. And I just felt like, oh, another day. And I would just go through the motions. And, you know, it was like, oh, another day till closer to death. Another day closer to death. You didn't say that to yourself? What the heck? Right. And it was a wake up call going, what am I doing? Like, this is insane. Like, if this is life, this something has to change. And then I'd go away for weekends. And then I'd get super sad when I'd have to come back on Sunday, and it was a wake-up call that something had to change in my life. Why were you sad on

Sundays when you came back? Because I didn't like the life I was living. So it was like escapism. The weekends were an escape, and then you had to come back to reality. Yeah, it was like I was living for the future. I wasn't enjoying my life. I wasn't enjoying the days. I was waiting until somebody discovered me. I was waiting until I got rich. I was waiting for all these things instead of actually enjoying the moment, which is the present. And once I finally said, okay, this isn't going to work. I need to enjoy my life. I have so much to be grateful for. I'm getting rid of the fear. I'm going to work on my confidence. And that is where the magic started to happen. And now I'm excited. I love Sundays. I get football during the fall and then

I get to wake up and I'm like, you know what? I like the weekdays better because I get closer to all my goals. So one of my favorite questions to ask, uh, people is if I gave you a hundred million dollars, what would you do in the weeks afterwards? Right? Like, like basically money is no longer a problem. Yeah. What would you do? What would you do with your life? And, uh, there's two answers that I find, uh, uh, both equally fascinating. One, the people who are honest are like, I tried to get the 200 million, right? They're like, like they, they understand human psychology of like, no matter how much you have, you always want something more. Uh, so like, I appreciate the self-awareness and just the brutal honesty. But what most people say is I

would do X and X is like a dream, uh, uh, something that they, they don't think is possible, whatever. And I always ask them like, why don't you go do that today? Yeah. Or, or start doing that now. and it's fascinating how many people are like i never thought of that you're just like i know again i don't have any answers like i'm not by no means any different than anybody else i'm a human i do dumb shit all the time i i drone i do all this stuff not really drone but like you know i'm a a human like everyone else but to not like just sit down and be like what do i want to do Seems like we are almost as a society selling ourselves short because there's no intentionality about our actions We kind of are just droning along

Well, no and it's true But I think also what happens with the droning is that people are so afraid And worried about what other people will think that they don't take the risk and they stay in that drone Because when they're droning and just going to their job coming home doing their errands doing what they're supposed to be doing Nobody's really judging them or worrying about them. So I think it kind of comes down to that too Isn't cubicle life more of a risk than doing something else? Like my greatest fear in life is to have been, you know, 25, 30 years old, go to work every day.

Maybe now in most of the big corporations, you don't have to wear the tie, but you got to have, you know, kind of dressed up with the button down on everything. And then just like go to sleep one night, wake up, you're 55, you got three kids and you're like yo where'd it go what happened i don't remember and then you get laid off well just even like that's even taking it to the extreme like if you just literally work the same job for 30 years and then you wake up one day and you're like holy shit i just spent 30 years doing this and like what happened that that to me again people have all these you know uh, weird, uh, uh, risks or, or scared of, or, or fears, whatever. Right. That's mine. I would go

fucking insane and then probably do crazy shit to like make up for it and like end up dying somehow. Right. Like, but, but it just feels like that is actually the normal path that a lot of people take. It's safety for them. It's an illusion though. It's their illusion of safety, but I think it's also because people are afraid to put themselves out there. all right so or they want a simple simple life you wrote this book time to lighten the fuck up a self-help guide uh with a side of humor if you didn't write this book i wouldn't ever read it because it says self-help guide and i'd be like this is bullshit but it's actually funny right and uh you talk about things that i think are um the taboo topics like it's like a like a blunt

truth and one of them is this idea of tunnel vision which if i say focus people like oh that's a good thing the way you describe tunnel vision is not necessarily a good thing so talk a little bit about this idea of like tunnel vision and like why so many people get kind of the blinders and and maybe it actually ends up hurting them more than it helps in their life well because so they get fixated on one thing right maybe they went to college for finance and then they get a job on wall street and they're working and they're going down the path and then 10 12 15 years later they're miserable, but they're like, this is all I can do. This is the goal. The goal was Wall Street. This is it. So they're stuck in that tunnel, right? So any other opportunities that

will come their way, they're not going to see them because they've got the blinders on because they're stuck in this like tunnel. But then you have other people too, who said, I'm going to follow my dream. And they pick that dream, whether it's a standup comedian or an actress. And they say, I'm never given up on my dreams. I'm going to follow this dream. And chances are, you might not ever make it because it's a very difficult path to go down. So they're just struggling financially their whole life, hoping to make it. Some get really lucky and make it. Some don't, but they're stuck in this tunnel. I have to do this. This is my end goal. Or they start a company that's not working out and they stay in it longer because they're stuck in that tunnel.

Tunnel vision is not good. Okay. I think it's always important to have a dream, whether it's finance, whether it's entrepreneurship, whatever it is, but always be aware of the other opportunities that can come out of having that goal. My goal when I started was to be a comedian and then to be an actress so I could help fill the seats of my show. Now, had I had tunnel vision, I might still be struggling and unhappy, but I decided to kind of look at the business and say, you know what? I love entertaining. I love writing. I love inspiring people. There's so much more I can do. So when I stepped out of the tunnel, I fell into producing and I was really good at creating concepts and bringing teams together to do it. And all of a sudden I would,

you know, I was struggling getting auditions. Now I was sitting in front of some of the biggest CEOs in Hollywood talking about what I had created and that they were actually excited about it because also I was a finance major. I came to them with ideas, not this is my passion and I love this. They don't give a shit. I came at it where this is where we can make money and this is why I think it's going to be profitable. But I was able to open that tunnel and I'm still in entertainment. I still consider myself an entertainer, but I'm not stuck waiting for somebody to validate me. Now I've got a book. I've created television shows. I run side business. I do whatever I can to make money, because financial freedom will set you free in anything you do.

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Everyone's like, oh, creator, creator, creator. And I get what they're trying to articulate in that. But to me, there is a rise of winners or rise of just entrepreneurs. It's not a rise of creators. These people are not creators. They are the equivalent of the mainstream or the main street small business 20, 30 years ago. So people would go to high school, they'd get out, maybe they went to college, maybe they didn't. And then if they wanted to create economic independence or economic kind of bet on themselves and get that economic stability, what they would do is they would look around like, how do I create a business? And it was all in the analog world. So they would literally go and open up a storefront. They would sell something. They would create a service. They

would come to your house, whatever they would do. But it was like a main street, small or medium size business. The really successful ones could go from a town to a city, maybe to a region. And if you were really, really successful, you could scale it nationally. Yeah. Right. Now what we're seeing is people were like, why would I ever have an asset heavy business where I need a store? Instead, I can set up a Shopify page or I can create content on the internet, or I can do all these different things in the digital age, but they're not creators. They are absolutely just entrepreneurs. And I use the term winner because you just said it, no matter what I set out to do, I'm going to find a way to be successful at doing this. I can create money so I can be

free. Well, exactly. And there's so many like Amazon, you mentioned Shopify, there's Amazon stores you can do very little risk and you can see how it goes. And then you can kind of scale the risk, right? So you're not, you don't have to, you know, take a year long lease. And then if it doesn't work out, you're stuck with this lease. You can actually set up a store where you're not paying a lease and then just buy the product so there's so many like easier ways to do things i mean it's crazy i i'm not going to mention the name but like i just heard that there was a comic who has an only fans page who's making you have to say the name who is it upwards well i heard it on the but when i was doing the bennington show i think her name's carrie feehan feehan great

comic okay she's got an only fans page and she's making upwards of 40 grand a month just on the OnlyFans page and that is it like and I'm going is she uploading am I the stupid one here because I don't have an OnlyFans page but is she uploading comedy content is she uploading like nude photos like what she's got she's got a great great body got it so uh uh she is selling access uh or views I guess is uh I never really thought that OnlyFans uh from the individual uploading the photos depending on what you're uploading like there's a lot of skewed risk reward right it almost feels like like somebody said to me hey uh pomp if you upload pictures of your knees every day and you'll make a bunch of money doing it let me let me think about this for a second right but now if they were

like hey pomp you gotta upload a bunch of naked photos of yourself i'm like i'm out like i just not my thing yeah you're out right and so it does feel like uh when people hear only fans in some way, this idea of a paywall is the same thing. Like we're seeing paywalled newsletters. We're seeing paywalled podcasts. We're seeing paywalled what's essentially just Instagram, right? Like photos, videos, whatever. Uh, then we have the paywalls of the mainstream media. Like, like it does feel like people are realizing if you put up a paywall and put value behind it, that people want somebody somewhere is going to pay for value. Yeah. And then you just got to decide what is the value you want to provide behind that paywall well exactly like i never did only fans um i i

thought about it my dad actually had a client um who did very well obviously he can't share that information uh but i said why are you telling me this he goes hey we don't judge i said are you trying to tell me to start an only fan space she goes this girl might have made more than my doctor clients i was like what yeah it was insane so but here's the thing there uh there's a friend of mine who runs like a very raunchy podcast and i go on once in a blue moon and she has these porn stars and they are pulling up to this studio and like huge range rovers and they've got nice chanel bags and all this i mean they could be broke because they're spending it all on liabilities but they are selling pictures of their feet they've got only fans pages the feed shade cracks

I know their question and I'm sitting here going, uh, buy my book. And I'm like, geez, I could just upload a picture of my snatch and buy a house. How much do they charge for the OnlyFans? Do you know? Like the people uploading their feet? I don't know, but everyone's like, why don't you do a faceless one? I think that they should, uh, have a reality TV show where they go around and they find the OnlyFans subscribers and basically interview them and just be like, yo dude, you're paying

$200 a month to look at pictures of feet. i know we got to find out the rest of your life like this would be an interesting ass episode to understand who you are i know everyone's fascinated with the person uploading the photos but like i bet you there's some crazy stories and the people who are paying to see feet pics on only fans well i didn't realize that feet a feet a foot fetish was such a big thing is that real it is real i had there was a guy who worked as a chef in one of the comedy clubs and i don't know which one it was but he apparently was public about his foot fetish and i don't have like i don't have ugly feet i don't have bunions or anything like that but apparently i remember

in my acting days there was a job where i could go and model shoes and it was like 400 for the day it was on a saturday it was like at a convention center it was like a shoe show and so she goes send me a pic picture of your foot because you're the ideal size and then she comes back and she goes unfortunately you don't qualify because your your feet don't meet the criteria like she basically told me i have ugly feet because apparently my second toe is longer than my first which my mom always told me it's because you're a leader but i think it's just i have fucked up feet is that not what everyone's toes are no really apparently to have beautiful feet you're everything has to be like sloped down somebody could tell me i was ugly somebody

tell me that they didn't like me whatever but they started talking shit about my feet hey hold on a second what the feet do to you well i responded to the woman i said oh i didn't know i didn't know that was a thing i never saw that my feet were an issue right but and i just wrote her back i said well i got beautiful fake tits if you need a bra model so call me back you know she's like good to know i also feel like uh uh i'm surprised hasn't been more trolling of this whole like thing so you know i'm shocked that there hasn't been uh a male youtuber who's like i'm gonna start a feet pick only only fans and like let's see how much money we can make because i actually think that we live in this like meme culture where a bunch of people would

subscribe because they think it's hilarious and then it would end up becoming a thing and then next thing you know everybody who's rational and like rooted in reality would be like what is happening how's this person making you know 50 grand a month uh as a joke doing feet pics on only fans well i agree who are the people i'll do it i'll volunteer my feet right now let's see how much we can make in a month i'm in but it also is uh the experimentation i do think kind of coming back to this idea of people who are better on themselves and kind of uh pave their own path on the internet uh the experimentation is really important right and we were talking earlier uh Andrew Schultz uh being able to record a special sell it go direct to the people which like there

had been some other comedians who had done it but I think there's this like breaching of yo how real is my audience how much do they kind of fuck with me right yeah versus they come to the shows okay they come out whatever are they gonna buy a special direct where their expectation is normally it'll be on a streaming platform and then yo if i release it publicly for free afterwards am i going to offend the people who paid for it or am i going to offend the people who didn't pay for like like it seems have gone pretty smooth yeah but that's a pretty big experiment to run with what is a major milestone in your career of getting a comedy special created and so like it feels like the people who end up being the most successful are actually the people willing

to do the experiments in order to figure out what works well first thing i'll say about andrew schultz he's not funny at all we're not allowed to say that he's funny at all on the podcast oh i think he's great but the one thing that this guy really really really has i mean he's got so many things i'm such i'm a fan he's confident his confidence level is off the charts so he's got that so he is willing to take a damn it don't say nice things about him he's got because i i had crossed paths with him you know in new york when we were starting he was always such a nice person I haven't seen him for years, but very just nice person. But he's got the confidence, so he's able to bet on himself

because he believes in himself. And I also heard when he, you know, because I follow him, when he was doing that special, originally they wanted, wasn't it going to go to a streaming platform? But then he pulled it because they wanted to censor him. And he goes, no, these jokes are authentic. This is me. I'm not censoring this.

This is what my audience wants. And then that's when he pulled it. I thought that was great. that is somebody who believes in them themselves and he's a great story of how believing in yourself will pay off bigger than just getting a suit to believe in you suit meaning the head of a streamer the um uh there's a book this is a crazy book uh robert green who wrote 48 laws of power you know a number of great uh books and 50 cent wrote a book together i don't know how much 50 contributed to the writing, but definitely the ideas are there.

Robert probably did a little bit more of the writing. But this book is actually fantastic. I've recommended it to a lot of people, and they're like, what do you mean? I'm not going to read a book about Robert Greene and 50 Cent. But what it does is it takes a lot of the concepts that Robert's talked about in many of his books, and it takes 50 Cent's life, and it basically overlays them on each other. And it's like, man, these concepts are really, really well understood by people in hip hop or people on the street or whatever. They just don't talk about them using the same language that Robert uses.

So they learn the ideas. They pick them up. Somebody teaches them it or it's intuitive or whatever. And one of the ideas that he spends a lot of time on is 50 Cent's mixtape strategy. And the mixtape strategy is basically he actually had a deal. i think it was with columbia records if i remember correctly and on the night before the first major album gets released he gets shot gets dropped immediately from the record label they're like there's too much violence we can't be associated with this stuff like like basically kick them to

the uh to the curb and they're like we're done okay you just got shot nine times your mouth is wired shut uh you lost your record deal like you just went from the night before the height of your career up into that point to like the bottom of your career essentially. And so what he decided to do was he basically just flooded the streets of New York with mixtapes and including would just hand them out, would do whatever it could to basically make people be like, yo, who is this guy? And he essentially brute forced the momentum to build an audience. Why it's fascinating is because you just have to do that with a CD on the streets. Now it's like easy. Now you can just go put music out on the internet go put on social media whatever and if it's good it takes off

but this concept of like he was willing to bet on himself even after he had reached some you know level of success now he wasn't a mega star on a global basis or whatever but he was forced to go back to square ones forced to go back to the starting point and he still ended up being successful and i think that that's like a common theme and a lot of these people is like okay one road doesn't look so great or there's a door that gets closed or whatever what's the next thing just keep moving forward and that and they end up being successful because they're willing to bet on themselves oh absolutely and and also if you carry that mindset like i rejection is a good thing because i feel like we're given a certain amount of doors until we reach our our what we consider

success so every person that says no or an opportunity that doesn't work gets you closer to that goal i live my life that way and i love it because that way when things don't work out i'm like life's happening for me i'm now that much closer to the door that's actually going to happen so it's that mindset but he had the same thing he was like okay well it's gonna work so i just gotta figure out a different way to do it but he 50 cent obviously has extreme confidence oh he he's he is such a better long time to get there but now that i do i feel i feel unstoppable in my own way but i also feel that my driving force behind everything i do is to help and inspire people okay explain that more so i have so i feel like i have karma on my side

and i don't do it you believe in karma you think it's real absolutely 100 why i just because i mean on it it's well i want to say it's just because it's what i believe but i feel like but how did you build it like when you were a kid did you always believe in karma or at some point did you like go through an experience or what yeah you do unto others as you want done to yourself so if you're a piece of shit people are going to be a piece of shit to you i think it's just the energy that kind of comes back to you i don't i feel like we can't get away with with that much and if it doesn't get you in this life maybe it'll get you in the next if we reincarnate i don't know but i do believe in karma which i think is a good thing because obviously it prevents you from being a

piece of shit i'm not a piece of shit at all i i'm not mean i like people i want to help people that's my thing but there's a lot of like obviously you know corruption because people want to just make the money oh I oh this is what I remembered when I said can I oh can I focus on this podcast all right somebody said to me I was actually on a it was weird I was on a date like a first date we were leaving we were at the four seasons man I haven't been on a first date in a long time those are weird as shit all right go ahead and so we're leaving we're leaving this this place and somebody says and he says um would you ever fuck for an opportunity he asked you that on the first date i don't know to respect that question or be like you are a fucking asshole

what was your response i laughed because i'm like that's hilarious because i i find so he's being funny he wasn't being disrespectful i'm not somebody that gets offended i hate it like i'm offended culture yeah fuck that noise i you offended and i said so i turned around i gave i i gave him an answer and i said the only opportunity i'm fucking for is a chance to walk down the aisle with a wedding ring okay so if that's the opportunity you're talking about then yes i fuck for opportunity you know what i mean like now and he started laughing he goes that's a great answer all right i was gonna say somebody who asked that question's got one or two reactions they get super offended or they think anything is hilarious back so he thought it was

funny oh yeah absolutely so he goes oh so you just saved that guy's career by the way because the internet sleuths would have figured out who it was and tried to cancel him if uh if he was being an asshole oh exactly that's how the world works now right it's like you said something and then they go and they figure it out and they just like pick a random person they're like this person yeah i know it's so it's so awful but i have a whole chapter in here about like being like offended like it's time to stop being so offended i think that uh we should actually bring back the right for people to offend others now not because you should go through your life trying to offend everybody right you don't want to be mean it just happens the idea of offending someone

usually falls into one or two buckets not every time but usually falls into one or two buckets either you are saying something that is true that they don't want to hear because they don't want to admit it to themselves or whatever and and usually again not always but usually in those scenarios you're actually helping them in some way whether they realize it today or not whatever 100 there's a situation recently uh a company i'm invested in the founder went met with a bunch of investors they gave him some pretty honest feedback he was very very offended at the beginning okay fast forward about two months or so he calls me up one day and he says uh they were right and to his credit he went and he sent them a message and said hey i know that when

you were saying that, like, it was kind of tough, like, but thank you. Like you, you didn't have to tell me the truth. You didn't have to, like, you could have used it, but I'm not interested, whatever. Right. Thank you. You were right. Here's what I'm doing about it. And I thought it was like so mature and just so amazing to see somebody who did that. Now, the other side of the offending is like, people are just assholes. Right. And you're like, literally you're just being an asshole and you should stop doing that. Right. But this idea of like bringing back offending people is we live in a culture where now people don't tell each other the truth oh because they're terrified because literally if you walk outside and you're like the sky's red and everyone's like

yeah then you're like okay i made it through today no one tried to cancel me i well i know do you realize that i actually said a prayer last night before i went to bed okay and this is what i prayed i said i'm so grateful that i get to go on palm show i'm very grateful to you for having me But I said, please don't let me say anything that's going to get me canceled. There's a second piece to the cancellation story that I have realized recently. And maybe implicitly, we all kind of sort of knew this, but now we got hard examples of it. Did you see this guy, Matt Walsh? Just recently.

So Matt Walsh. He had a great video. Yeah, you tell it. Great. he just he said a bunch of things that i think there's a lot of people around the country were like that makes sense when that happens in today's society there's also a lot of people who say asshole cancel whatever so it was controversial and there was a react strong reaction uh in support and a strong reaction uh to come after him and he made a video and when i saw the video

first thing was damn they got him matt walsh he's gonna he's gonna take the uh uh kind of the bow he's gonna say i'm sorry you know i shouldn't have said this whatever they got him and i was watching the video and there was no subtitle so i click open you know i hit the volume on twitter and he's got this look he's staring dead square in the camera and he's i will not apologize yeah And he just took a stand, and he was like, I'm not apologizing. I'm not giving one fucking inch to the mob. Exactly. And I was like, holy shit, that guy just became uncancellable.

Well, and he said— Because he just said, I'm not apologizing. I believe what I believe, and I still think you guys are wrong. Well, and it's brilliant because he stands firm in his beliefs, but he also said they can't cancel you if you don't agree to be— you have to agree to it. Yeah, if you're not complicit in the cancelization, they can't cancel you and right what i think again opinion what i think is occurring here

is that the pendulum swung so far cancellations uh woke culture all this stuff now it's swinging back the risk is it swings so far back that we go to the other end of the extreme i don't think extremes on either end are good right i actually think the the kind of uh uh rational view of the world of just like hey everyone chill the fuck out and like just go try to do things that make you happy as long as you're not hurting other people like you're good right exactly but the pendulum is swinging back and i think what it does is actually confidence game because uh speaking of schultz when they came for joe rogan andrew schultz i think was one of the first if not the first person to be like yo all you people who are being quiet right now like joe rogan's helped me

in my career joe rogan whatever he's like he is not a racist yeah which like was blasphemous to the people coming after joe rogan because they were like obviously he is duh didn't you see the video that they cut out of thousands of interviews and again whether you agree or not it was like if you objectively look at that situation one person stood up and was like no and i see no another person's like no no no no and then it was like oh wait it's mob first mob yeah and so i think that that is like a maybe it's not a learned behavior as much as it's like people now have a playbook they see on both sides the people attacking they have a playbook it's very well understood now like pretty much if you tell me a situation and you're like they're going to go

after this person i can tell you exactly how they're going to do it yeah and the response seems to be getting a playbook and so it's kind of like now we have competing forces on the internet which is kind of cool it's entertaining for sure we're definitely like leveling the playing field Because I think people just lived in constant fear of like, oh, God, what if I, what if I'm, so nobody's speaking their authentic truth anymore because they're scared to get canceled. And the people who do just say what they believe, even if they're wrong or right, they obviously get a following because people are like, oh, that person isn't scared. And so people are like, oh, I should listen to what they have to say. Right. and so in some way uh i think the other uh end of the extreme the people who were um doing a lot of

the canceling i've noticed that they seem a little de-teethed now because there's been uh some punches back it used to be just there was one-way punches oh yeah and society was like very much the pendulum had swung that way yeah totally now there's still some people who like they love the fight right and like they'll go on either side yeah it's like but there's a lot of people who are like man this was a lot more fun when we were doing the punching and there was no one punching back and so like uh it's fascinating to watch this because it ends up being labeled i think kind of cultural wars or whatever and like at the end of the day a lot of the shit doesn't actually matter right like it doesn't impact everyday people's lives and if uh uh if you're deep down that rabbit hole of watching

a lot of this stuff like damn do you got an easy ass life yeah right like but on the other hand culture is what makes society and so there's always been culture wars but it's not been done on the internet you know behind a keyboard in this weird fucking like cancellation platform yeah but i think it's like you know you said if we if we swing too far the other way we're gonna go way back in kind of time but those times are pretty good too do you think it would be good to swing all the way back like no i don't think it'd be extreme i think certain situations would be more fun i think that it would be more it would be more fun to work on wall street in like the 90s than today i feel like today like who the heck wants to work there i think that that is objectively

true yeah like i want hookers and cocaine if i'm working on wall street i want hookers and cocaine if I can't get hookers and cocaine then I don't why do I need to be there so let's take that and kind of apply to a couple different areas immediately jump to mind first we live in a society that the war on drugs right war on drugs uh that appears I don't do cocaine I want to make sure people know that we're going to cut that part out no one's going to know uh it appears that we are swinging back uh Biden has this uh federal uh kind of mandate where he's at least saying hey let's look at this maybe we need to reclassify uh the scheduled drug like all the stuff let's pardon people who already went for simple possession um we're kind of returning pre-war

on drugs maybe not with the hard stuff but like marijuana okay then i do think that there's a lot of people who whether it's through nostalgia or science data or just frankly they're fed up with the current bullshit are like man the way the world was before all this processed food that seems pretty good a hundred percent yeah then i've seen like the memes go around on the internet of like look what they took from us on the airplane right where it's like the two or three people they're sitting there they're getting like carved ham right there's like not that many seats you're not packed in like oh shit right yeah and they're like they took this from us and so like there's always going to be people who look back to the past and they say to themselves like the better

times are behind us uh but we do can objectively look and like we live in the safest most prosperous time in human history today yeah uh do you believe the future is going to be better or do you think that actually there are things from the past that we have to like recreate again today in order to continue to see progress i mean i think the future is gonna be better because we're gonna have advancements and medications and you know cures for different things and but it's not gonna be better if we don't get our shit together as humanity what do we have wrong well everybody's fighting they're not looking out for each other they're sitting here saying well the news tells me to hate you so i'm gonna hate you this is what people truly believe and so all of a sudden you

disagree with what they say and and they're ignited with this hatred towards you and then they want to cancel you so to say right people need to realize that like us together like humanity needs to band together and like not let the government or the media dictate who they can like and who they cannot like if we don't fix that we're in trouble but if we can fix that And enough people say, you know what? Barbara likes blue. Becky likes pink. Who gives a shit?

They're both great people. They're children of God. Move on. Then the future is going to be much better. Is there somebody in society that you point to and you're like, that person, the way that they are executing their strategy is like super interesting? I have one person in mind, but I want to hear who you would say first. Who's yours? I'm trying to think of.

I mean, I have a lot of people. you're like that's like an independent thinker that's somebody who who kind of walks to their own uh to to the beat of their own drum i think is a fucking saying right so elon's definitely one yeah is there anybody else i mean rogan rogan's another one yeah yeah i was thinking kanye west oh yeah i feel i feel like he's gotten a little extreme lately but yeah without a doubt he he he is a human he still has a you know but i think that that's part of what scares the shit out of society right is like oh that guy actually you can't put him in a box he's not left or right he's not you know uh this or that like like you don't know what he's gonna think and he has a

platform and so it's like in some way he's one of the purest independent thinkers and again that doesn't mean i agree with them on everything it just means that like if you can look at someone and say there's a topic i know what you think there's something that isn't independent about the thought process well yeah it's like they're controlled yeah it's controlled but it's also just like like the identity thing but it's not easier to be truly truly authentic and say what you want and not be in a box whatsoever when you have enough money to survive forever 1000 right he he put himself in a position to be able to do what he's doing yeah but like if you went down i don't know like all the uh topics that uh get discussed in politics and you

went down i don't think most people could guess with a high degree of accuracy what kanye west thinks about each one of them which is almost kind of how it should be maybe yeah whereas like No, that makes sense. If you look at other people, and this happens on both sides of the aisle, but also even non-Republican or Democrat political parties, is I'll talk to friends and I'll be like, hey, what do you think about this? And they'll somehow answer, but it's like, oh, I'm a Republican and Republicans think this, right? And so like my identity tells me that this is how I'm supposed to feel about it. Right. That's the problem.

Yeah. And so, again, politics is the easiest one because it's like very clear. It's like red and blue and there's a topic and this is how they each think. But this idea of like independent thinking, it scares the shit out of society because it is so rare. Yeah, but you know what's interesting that I found is like I avoid politics kind of at all costs. because unless you're with a group that thinks exactly like you, unfortunately, you're not getting anywhere. Nobody's changing your mind.

You're not changing their mind. There's no need to argue about it. You avoid it, right? But as soon as people start to say, oh, if I don't agree with something, so to say, I don't say, oh, it's because I'm a Republican or, oh, it's because I'm a Democrat. I always say, oh, I'm in the middle.

I learn to think for myself and I think both y'all are crazy. And that actually, from my experience, people just, they don't say anything. They're like, that makes sense. It's a way to just diffuse the situation because nobody's going to be like, oh, wow, you think for yourself and you're a moderate and you think we're both. Yeah, she's right. Now, if I had said, oh, let's say a Democrat was yelling at, he said, oh, I'm a Republican. Now you got an argument. Yeah.

Now they're coming at you. But as soon as you say you're an independent, that's what I found, silence. I don't even say it. Like I'm legitimately an independent, but the thing I love to do, uh, I have friends that are very extreme on both sides. Uh, and I always ask them, I say, can you tell me one thing that you agree with the other side on? And like, and you watch just like smoke come out of their ears and like brains are combusting,

but I do it in a very loving way. But I'm just like, if you tell me that there's zero things that you agree with another person on then like you are no longer thinking like well yeah i call it like you're just in the religion right like you literally are just to a t in the religion by the way if that makes you happy knock yourself out like i don't give a fuck yeah totally like that is way less intellectually interesting to me than if you can sit there and say hey this person that i have literally appears nothing in common with i think that this is right i think that's interesting i see where they're coming from on this other thing uh and then i disagree on all these other things like that to me is way

more of a valuable conversation and so well my wife hated person too you know but i like to bring them to the same dinner and then like just watch the shit well just like hey uh you're very uh left-leaning like what you think that republicans write about anything and she's like oh geez but what ends up happening is if you can get the right people in that conversation it's fascinating to see how much they actually agree on the end state it's the path to get to the end state that they disagree on right they want good things to happen i don't know anyone on the republican side or the democrat side that says we need to pay more in taxes even my friends that are so far left are saying milk's too high groceries like everything's too

high the gas like i don't want my taxes to go up but but we gotta help these people i'm like well who's gonna pay for it but i don't want my taxes to go so it's like it's the same everybody wants the same everyone wants to feel safe and have the government take less of their money but they're not supporting the same party that with the narrative they're not like looking into the narrative to be like oh this isn't gonna work maybe i should be on the but hopefully in this in this country we'll have a third party one day you think a third party is a solution this episode is brought to you by bullish they've reinvented the digital asset exchange they give you access to d5 features like automated market making and liquidity pools

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I have no clue. I think like bringing more faith back into everyday, like offices and schools. And I think people have lost their faith and they've lost kind of empathy and being a good person. And they just, there's no consequences to being a complete piece of shit. So I don't know what the exact solution is. I mean, maybe Jesus will come back and figure it out.

I don't know. But I don't know if there's a solution. I had an interesting conversation with a priest friend of mine. A priest? A priest friend. I have a friend that's a priest. Oh, I would love to hear this. And I said to him, and I was just, I think I was watching the news.

I don't know. I just felt a little just not, I wasn't having like that great of a day. And I said, do you think the world's going to get better or are we screwed? And he goes, well, according to the Bible, this is kind of how everything's supposed to play out. Like, it's really not going to get that much better. Like, eventually it'll get better, but it's going to get worse before it gets better. What's the Bible say? Well, all these different things need to happen before he comes back.

so there's going to be more wars and more he was always meant to come back really? yep he's always coming back damn my bible knowledge is on the decline

oh yeah there was always a second coming you know I went and I checked but you're not supposed to plan it I went and I checked to see if he was in the tomb well of course he's not no I was in Israel and my brother and I were joking but we were there

and uh and the tomb where uh he allegedly rose from yeah uh we went there's a long i mean line was like insane right it's now like a tourist trap essentially yeah and uh and so we went we looked in there and you know as with many of these kind of historical monuments like you go and it's almost like the anticipation is more than you look and you're like it's a tomb right uh so it's not that much to see kind of inside of it and then uh we're like nope not there like like positive right we checked yeah and the people in the line you know you kind of then look back and you're like oh these people are going to wait like three hours to literally go see what we just saw and like you ask yourself like it's probably not waiting three hours without the historical

context the importance like all the stuff it's more of like the story and the historical stuff is makes it what is worth waiting in line for i would wait in line for that i i want to say i haven't been there if you go just go just go super early okay go super early as i just think it would be just such a fascinating just just the feeling of just the that's what it ends up being you feel the gravity of the situation yeah and just that like that man rose for us you know so we could so wait hold on i'm letting you off the hook shit what what is this he's coming back thing Well, in the Bible, the great revelations, I think it was, yeah, he's meant to come back. And when he rose, he said, I'll be back in two days.

And each day was a thousand years. So they're estimating he died around 30 to 33. Okay. So if he said- You think Jesus is coming back in a decade? Well, you're not supposed to guess or plan. Okay. So I can't say that.

But am I prepared for the world to go on forever? Absolutely. Am I prepared if he came back tomorrow? Absolutely. When he comes back, the world ends? Damn, maybe I don't want to know the answer. No, they won't end. The believers will go.

They will rise. They won't die. They will go with him. And then Satan is supposed to come down and rule this place, the tribulation, for seven years. It's going to be bad. You don't want to get stuck here. And then he'll come back down, and this will kind of be anew,

and he'll run this place. It'll be heaven on earth. essentially, is the theory. But you can't plan for it because you're just not supposed to do that. But I always say, I think you should be ready for anything. You should wake up ready for the biggest day of your life, whether it's a business opportunity, meeting your special person, or Jesus coming back.

I think you should be ready for everything. If you met Jesus in person, what would you ask him? we're still why do you love us so much why do you love us so much yeah but hasn't he so many people have like just turned their backs against him and just been terrible like how can you love us so much you know and also like what's my purpose am i on my purpose i think i'm living my purpose but you always want to know if you could have an opportunity to be like am i on the right path is this the path for me this may be the only thing that we're going to disagree on today i don't think i'd ask him any of that what would you ask him about yeah what's

it like to be jesus oh okay that's a good one fascinating right like hey man you you never wake up and you're just like uh i'm gonna fuck some shit up today right you're never like hey you know what uh i just like point and things move like i know that's the stuff to me that'd fascinating well here's another question i'd ask him why are you letting things why are you letting the devil have so much control why does it feel like he has so much control right now why why why aren't people seeing the the full truth of what's really going on there's a purpose there could be it could be him testing us testing his people we have free will you got to do the right thing so maybe he's testing people i uh the whole concept of the devil is weird to me like

when you really think about how it is uh depicted throughout history oh yeah he's got like a little underground lair there's fire everywhere like like it's kind of a crazy and i always uh uh i'm very interested in uh the origination of like concepts it's like where did it come from and if you think about the devil the first person to be like all right the concept of the devil let me draw a fire and like all this stuff and everything like that person who actually took idea story you know concept also and put it into visual form i mean they set for thousands of years the basic direction of the devil but i think like i feel like he was a fallen angel he was an angel but he was fallen i don't remember the exact story of how he fell but he was a fallen angel

probably tripped on a stick right but he's like a bad dude right i always say sometimes when i'm frustrated i'm like damn you eve why'd you gotta eat that apple we could all been running around naked just living the dream and you had to eat the apple and now we got to deal with this anchor on the news you you were you were you were you were being uh way kinder i was just thinking of like adam sandler uh i think it's in uh big daddy where he just throws the stick in front of the roller skater oh yeah right like like that's the fallen angel yeah exactly so he's trying to be repent we i mean but here's the thing is we all do stupid shit we make mistakes it's part of being human that's why you got to forgive yourself and you got to forgive others because god does the

same for us there's certain things obviously you don't you just don't want to be a piece of shit i honestly think some of these people in washington and other places i feel that they act as if they're gonna live forever they are if you're 78 years old 75 i don't know how old uh uh nancy pelosi is but uh she's 82 is she really she's 80 she's in her 80s yeah yo to be honest She's my financial advisor. To be honest, if I'm 82 and I can still operate at all, I kind of feel like she's winning. May not agree with everything she does,

may not think that maybe they should be trading stocks and stuff, but if she retired, do we think that it'd be over pretty quick? like oh like she didn't have a job anymore well you know how they talk all the time about like uh the people who work you know relentlessly for decades and decades yeah and then they retire they have nothing to do or like uh mario andretti ever heard the story of him uh the race car driver he uh uh he drove fast and the adrenaline would pump through his body so much that when he stopped uh driving that he went to the doctor and the doctor was like all your organs are failing and he was like what and he was like uh your body thinks that you are dying because it's not getting

the adrenaline it's used to on a consistent basis so did you go back and drive not really i mean i think he probably did some stuff they probably gave him some uh treatments or whatever uh to try to level out and you know tell about hey you're not actually dying but like the physiological you know kind of aspect of uh being having a sustained level if all of a sudden she retires like that it's sad because like people make it political in no way uh should we politicize people's you know lives like that but like it ends up being the situation where uh you can disagree with the ideas of someone you can disagree maybe even with their intentions but to some aspect like you gotta respect these people have done this for so long

yeah and like by the way the consistency of doing wrong things just makes you wrong right but like there's not very many jobs that people do for that long it's kind of crazy it is i mean term limits is what we definitely need but she hopefully she lives long but but you're right when you lose your purpose you can quickly your body can quickly fall apart and you see it all the time people retire they get bored and then they just die i also think that politicians i don't know if you've seen uh elon musk uh he started now on the earnings calls he'll take some questions from youtube oh he'll find like a tesla uh channel and he'll let them ask a question on the earnings call and some of it is uh him trying to like stick his middle finger up basically

to like the wall street analysts who are you know saying bad things about the company some of it is actually like the questions are incredibly intelligent so he's almost saying like hey these people have intelligent questions like let me talk to them uh and then some of it is just like he's Elon he's gonna do crazy things and like how hilarious is it to be on an earnings call and take a question from YouTube yeah totally imagine if the politicians in the press conferences had to always take two questions from from the internet yeah it would completely change the dynamics of politics right it absolutely would no one's safe all sides of the aisle every press conference you gotta take two questions from the internet and they're voted on I think it's

brilliant because then you would actually know what the people want yes and by the way no they may be the dumbest questions in the world but if that's what the people want to ask but you work for the people so you gotta you gotta answer the people yeah and so like you know what i always thought with politicians so if i if you're interviewing me to work for this company okay and i tell you i'm gonna do x y and z and you hire me based on those conditions because that's what you're looking for and then i come in and i do a b a b and c you're like but what about x y z i'm like well i'm just gonna do that instead you would fire me so we need to start holding the politicians accountable if they run on something and they don't accomplish it they

should be able to be fired so i agree job but what i would say uh and as i've gone deeper down into some of these rabbit holes to understand how this works uh i've changed my mind on a couple things. Um, technically they can be fired, which is like the next election. I think what you're saying is like, well, maybe we shouldn't wait four years or whatever. Right. Um, but, but that is technically, I guess how they could be fired. The second thing is, uh, I agree. If you say you're going to do a, and you don't do a, that's a problem. It's a lie. You ran on a lie. Well, so here's the caveat. And I think where I've probably, maybe I've dulled the edges of how I view this is I think that there are a lot of situations where from the outside,

they're essentially uneducated, right? Like they're like, I'm going to do a, cause it sounds amazing. It's like a stump speech, like all this stuff. And then they get there and they realize like, Whoa, if I do a, here's like the second and third order effect of that, that I didn't understand previous or somebody shows up and they're like hey by the way like cute speech here's the actual way it works or here's the information or whatever and then they change their mind right they're like oh you know what based on the outside view like a seems like the right thing but now that i have more information like maybe b is the right thing or a you know one is the right thing and so that shouldn't be an excuse for them to be able to lie or to promise

things and then not do them but it is interesting to think about like if you say hey i'm gonna come work at your company i'm gonna do a b you know or xyz and then you show up and you're like oh wait now that i see the data because i don't think a lot of candidates actually get the information until they get into office oh okay that becomes interesting right because now it's like oh wait a second maybe the data is different but the problem is they never say that they never like hey i promised a but here's the information that i saw i actually don't think a is the right thing anymore i now think b is the right thing let me explain it to you let me take questions well yeah and they don't do that because nobody's held accountable it feels like well how many people

could name you know how many if you went out on the street and you ask people name as many politicians as you could think of how many people could name 20 of them probably not a lot i don't think that many and by the way there's like a thousand politicians maybe oh there's so many right so like if you can't name 20 out of a thousand you don't care right you're not paying attention it's like kind of the way i think about you just it you don't have to say what their policies are whether they usually can't say their names then like okay you're just not paying attention right which is a proxy for you don't care yeah and i think regardless of what people want who's gonna like you're just not gonna change people's mind like humans are humans

where they want to do like people are very stuck in their ways yeah yeah for sure so that's why like i don't i don't try to change people's minds i'm just like okay here's the information do with it as you wish yeah i just like the bullshit on the internet exactly just sit here and do this i don't think i've ever like said something mean on the i'm just not a mean person i say mean things to my brothers all the time well that's normal my brother beat the shit out of me when i was little do you know it's in the i actually talk about it in the book it's funny because there's actually something that's no longer true in that book. So when I was little, my brother and his cousin, or my cousin, they were the same age.

They used to get me to do everything for them. Go get us sodas. Go get us candy. Go get us towels. Go do all in the promise that I would receive a farting bear. A farting bear? A farting. I just wanted a teddy bear that farted.

That's all I wanted. It was my dream thing. I never got the farting bear until my birthday this year. so my brother and his wife went to build a bear and got me a farting bear now build a bear doesn't make farting bears so my brother bought the recorder took it home ate a shit ton of beans farted in it went back to build a bear shoved it in a bear and now i've got this farting bear what was your reaction when he gave it to you oh i laughed so hard because i couldn't believe it was actually his fart in the bear but i thought like this is it was actually an amazing present

like so now I it sits on my shelf but it was like such a such a formative you know thing but it's like I got so toughened up you may not always get what you want but you get what you need which for me was to be very tough because I my brother definitely treated me like I was a little boy I've never done this in a conversation on the show before but I think that this is uh interesting the names of the chapters in your book time to find financial freedom time to stop being afraid time to step into faith, time to create your new amazing reality, time to believe in yourself, time to escape the tunnel, time to stop being offended, time to improve your relationship, time to get out of your own way. It's pretty interesting because while the book is funny,

while the book is your life, in reality, this book is a pretty quick read to get quite a bit of value out of hey if you're sitting in whatever position in life and you're just like is this it is this really what i want to be doing i think that reading certain books yeah are important reading certain books at certain points in time is where like the real magic is and so there's uh the collision of ideas and like the time in your life it feels like for those people who are stuck, pretty good, pretty good one to pick up. Oh, yeah. And I give a lot of real world examples of how I was living in the scarcity mindset and how I overcame it. Also, like, you know, with faith and using the law of attraction that kind of helps you and your

mindsets and your thoughts create your reality, all these things that kind of I woke up to, but it's very unfiltered. I didn't want a filtered book that was just talking at you. There's a lot of, like, naughty jokes in there that were just real. I mean, I want you to read. Do me a favor. Let me find it for you. I want you to read. Should we just read the whole book here?

No, I want you to read page eight, starting with the second paragraph, where it says you were just young, and I want you to read that paragraph. I see three words. I'm like, oh, boy, here we go. And the next one. Okay, you're on. I don't think I can read this and not get us kicked off YouTube. You were young just yesterday, wasn't it?

Fresh out of college and bright eyed and full of plans. You were going to change the world, get rich, get laid and or married and have it all. That meant making a name for yourself, finding something to call happiness, proving anyone who ever doubted you wrong. But more and more, the days go on without the boom ever coming. And shit is so much harder and so much less satisfying than you thought it would be. life feels like a frat party where you're sucking everyone just so you'll get invited back next time problem is every time it's the same sausage fest like what's the solution where's the doorway and

what's the secret sauce do you have an audiobook because if not i i may be for hire i think i might have to hire you i don't have one yet but i think it would be great you just can't censor the key words yeah well uh you could thank uh susan from youtube she uh she doesn't like when we say that word oh that's hilarious yeah she is not as funny uh who's susan from youtube uh she's ceo oh does she actually censor the d the d-i-c-k word i said it i'm i'm sure that she probably does i don't know she's taking videos down with her channel deleted at one point you know i gotta love hate relationships sometimes she sends videos viral though so hey you can't hate her i think we were pretty clean on this i thought so too where can people go find the book so they can

go to amazon or barnesandnoble.com right now eventually it'll be in all the stores should be in barnes and noble soon and um yeah they can order it online and then um i also have a podcast that you have been on next to madison so i'll be uh talking more about that book on that podcast as well what about social media where can we send people to find uh my instagram is at real madison malloy and then are there fake ones huh are there fake ones you know i my original one got hacked and it was so i took my podcast one originally and then i'm like so madison malloy wasn't available because i got hacked so i had to do real madison malloy i'm like yeah i guess i'm real madison boy got it'd be funny if i was fake what about twitter and then madison

malloy and then i have a tiktok channel but only because i have to are you big on tiktok no oh i'm big on tiktok but maybe i'll get big on tiktok no i'm big on tiktok how many do you have you're huge on twitter we got we got videos how many videos we got we got one with a million views yeah we got a million views last week did you yeah i don't know if that's actually good or not i have no clue i've never even been on tiktok somebody else uploads the videos but they said we're big on we're big on tiktok yeah which by the way is my theory on tiktok as most of the people who are big on tiktok that are like a little bit older they're not actually the ones on tiktok it's just people uploading the videos from uh instagram or youtube but i'm big with the kids

i feel like you gotta just you have to go on it you know what tiktok's like a grandfather saying that i feel like actually if you start looking at certain things you start searching certain no i can't get on but there's great information you know why i can't do it why can't help china and i feel like i'll get addicted i feel like i'll get addicted you will get addicted i have profits on there that come up in my algorithm doctors about supplements um side hustles wait real quick because you told me you're taking a supplement that uh is like a wonder drug yeah not medical advice this is not right if you go to uh tiktok and you literally type in n-a-c n-a-c nancy apple charlie yep um it's like the longevity thing the whole like all the the videos

and the comments this thing like helps fight free radical damage so when you travel on an airplane you should double up on it the day before and the day after right because when you're in flying in stratosphere free radical damage is higher did you know that your taste buds change in uh in there no that's why they changed the uh the type of food that they serve oh interesting is that why everything's so salty yes yeah and also why a lot of people uh order tomato juice supposedly oh i didn't know any of this i read an article it's kind of like sleeping at uh what are the hampton in or whatever yeah yeah no but i actually flight attendants need to take this i was on a flight and i told people about this but i'm telling you a skincare woman it's called nac a

skincare woman told me to take this she was like doing a facial for me and i started taking this thing i can't i won't live without it there's a reason the fda is trying to ban it and you can't find it on amazon fda is uh because they want to make it prescription because this stuff is so good you can get like 250 for like 1999 okay i am never tired never sick the only reason i caught a little cold last week is because i forgot to take it for like five days this thing makes your immune system so rock solid i feel like i could lick a subway pole and nothing would happen to me it's giving me like dynamite and then i was on tiktok and i saw this other guy come on he goes there was a study out of baylor university that they might have cracked like the fountain of youth is what

he was saying he goes these two supplements over the counter taken together could be the fountain of what's the second one nac was one and the other one was glycine glycine that sounds like some clorox shit yeah so you take those together so i'm gonna go and pick up some glycine glycine yep not medical advice right no it's not medical advice it's all natural what is glycine i don't know exactly what it is i have to do but it's another you should not look at it no you should not look at what it is don't look at what it is just take a bunch of it like over the next couple of weeks and then just see like what happens and then look to see what you were taking it's kind of like you ever gone to a restaurant they like a placebo no they've got like some uh no they got

like some like fancy looking name or whatever and then you know my thing is i usually turn people like what is this like what's that mean and they're like oh it's like a liver or heart or whatever you're like uh i'm gonna just get the burger yeah right exactly but no it's supposed to be amazing all right nac and glycine yeah i'm gonna go do research but the nac thing i mean i swear by that and i'm not like a big like supplement like i take what i need type thing but this is the one that i only take one thing every day well two things actually uh no three things actually uh yeah just three things uh are you sure yeah emergency i poured a little powder because i kind of feel like a scientist when i'm making it and then i get a drink it's

supposed to be good for you uh two is uh athletic greens i'm like obsessed yeah i heard that's great yeah the uh ag1 i'm so obsessed that they advertise with us i'm an investor in the business and if i could figure out how to take the powder and have it be made into like food so that i could eat also and get and feel like i'm getting the same thing i'll do that yeah and then the uh the third one is uh uh the equivalent of like the flintstone gummy uh like multivitamin okay i don't think it actually does anything i just like the idea of you know like i took a little thing i uh every day and you're supposed to like get all the vitamins can you do you can do the gummy ones yeah i like those much better i can't do the gummy ones you want to why why i'll eat the whole

fucking bottle yeah they do taste very good oh i'd get those vitamin c ones and i'm like now the The emergency is like an unlock. I think anyone who's ever lived in New York or New Jersey or anywhere like in the Northeast during the winter, you take two emergencies every day, and you're golden. Every day? Oh, yeah, every day. How many milligrams of vitamin C is in there?

You're not supposed to do that, not financial or medical advice. I think you're only supposed to take one a day by double up. How many milligrams of vitamin C is actually in it? I have no clue. Because they say you're supposed to get around 1,000 milligrams of vitamin C a day, but you can't take it you can't go to the store and buy a thousand milligrams because you can your body can only process 500 at a time so you should take one in the morning and then one see that's what i used to do i think i used to take one in the morning one at night and then i was

like well why am i doing that i'm just taking both together so maybe i'm doing it wrong well because you're you're just going to pee it out it's not going to cause you any damage so you're just basically peeing away your money my parents take more vitamins than anyone i know i literally they got vitamins for the morning the afternoon the night i mean pounds of pills you should replace them all with just like uh placebo pills and see if they notice i know right don't do that if they have medical conditions yeah they're not on medications like all their friends except like you know so they're not medically yeah they're just like vitamins they're just vitamins they're so healthy but they're not on you know high cholesterol and all these other drugs that

people in their 70s typically are on they're not on them but i think it's a little bit of an overload so my sister-in-law my sister-in-law and we always joke that we're like they have the most expensive piss on the block you know what i'm saying because they're just because you just get rid of all this stuff the fish oil is the one i got a lot of friends they take the fish oil yes and flaxseed oil is really good for your skin i haven't been taking that that reminds me i gotta get it yeah that sounds weird i'm out well there was this one guy i knew that i used to work they got that they put in your drinks i need to do that yeah it tastes like chalk on i'm out i know but if it makes your skin look better i'd like to get those huge like deep like radio frequency

things that just like hydro facial my friend my friend uh is the chairman of a uh a company that owns hydro facial that's a good one though but it doesn't provide the results that you need like i like the no i mean it does it looks you look great for an event right but if you really want like you need the morpheus or the co2 like the ones where you're crying basically and yeah like if somebody's pressure washing your face yeah then that's like the good stuff yeah it's gonna get you this stuff But I do like the hydrafacial. I do like it. I'm just saying, like, if I want some lifting and tightening,

you got to go for the laser. Can I leave you with one absolutely insane fact that you're going to, like, I cannot believe that, one, that's true, or two, you're admitting it publicly. What? I was 27 years old, I think, when I met Polina. Okay. And one day we were talking, and she said something, and I was like, and you know, like, when somebody says something, and you're like,

oh, shit, I'm going to have to admit something, and i know it's not gonna be well received yeah i had that moment and then she like was like what and i was like nothing she was like what and i was like uh i figured like i should just tell you this now uh i've never washed my face before and she was like what do you mean and i was like yeah like the only time i've ever washed my face was like with a bar of soap oh like in yeah in the shower like in the shower or whatever yeah but like i like face wash she was like talking i was like i grew up in a house with five boys like that wasn't a thing like we didn't have any of that stuff yeah and uh and she was like that's disgusting and so now fast forward five six years

whatever it is like uh what do they call face masks yeah every guy i know doesn't none of them like talk about them so the sheet mask or like the actual like mask no like the scrub stuff like uh or like the you know it's kind of like a lotion or whatever but then gets hard on their faces yeah they all do this shit but no one like talk about men's beauty has gone through the roof i like to wait till we're all at dinner with and like you know everyone's like girlfriends wives whatever they're gonna be like so guys what's the uh what's the latest face mask y'all using yeah everyone gets real quick everyone's like hey shit i ain't gonna admit that and immediately the other people are like oh he likes this one or he likes this one gets them every time all right

Oh, it's great. Time to lighten the fuck up a self-help guide with a side of humor. I appreciate it very much. Thank you. Everyone go get the book. If you don't get the book, then you just don't have a good sense of humor. So yeah, buy the book. We'll do it again in the future.

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