The Pomp Podcast - #1463 Peter Diamandis | How To Make Money Forever

Episode Date: January 4, 2025

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around for a long time. Warren Buffett is only Warren Buffett because he's 90 years old. He's been compounding for 80 years. I think he started like when he was like 10, 11 years old and he's now 90. And so when you think about that, a huge part of your investment portfolio is actually being healthy enough to continue investing for decades to come. You've written this book on longevity. So you're like the perfect person. You're a great investor. You're a great entrepreneur. And now you've become obsessed with health and have all these great insights. And so I thought a great place to start is just like, as you set out to figure out this like longevity thing, how much of it is like normal advice that you've gotten and you just

have to stay disciplined and kind of stick to it versus everything we learned is wrong and the food pyramids upside down. And like, there's this big contrarian approach. It's both. And let me just start off by agreeing with you that I think the most extraordinary time ever in human history is ahead of us. The greatest growth of capital formation, of companies, of value creation. We're in the middle of a roaring 20s right now. And I think for me, I'm 63 now.

I have 13-year-old boys. I'm looking at what the next 63 years looks like. And it's going to be us becoming a multi-planetary species. There's so much excitement from the tech side, but it's going to be a huge amount of wealth created. We're going to create more wealth in the next 10 years than we have in the entire past century just because technology is moving so rapidly. The book looks at – there are fundamentals. I wrote this book, Pomp, because I wanted people to have a very clear, very usable book on what I can do right now and where the technology is going.

I talk about something called longevity mindset, and longevity mindset is the notion that if you believe we're in the midst of this healthspan revolution where technology is going to enable us to live an extra 20 or 30 healthy years right so what warren boffett has done is not uncommon it's going to become part of our expectation that you're making it through the 90s over 100 who knows how far we'll go that if you love life and you love what you're doing you're going to want to have as long a health span not necessarily lifespan lifespan is how long your heart's ticking but how long you're healthy and vital to enjoy life and uh longevity mindset is understanding this is coming and doing what it takes today to intercept those breakthroughs that are happening

our way what i want to talk about before we get into maybe like what the solutions are or what the problems are there's three things that i keep in the back of my head the first is that the food pyramid you know is basically upside down broken right so so hey we shouldn't eat the things that they told us to eat the second thing is that uh i believe it was like 40 or 50 years ago uh not a single county in america had an obesity rate over 20 now there's not a single county in america that has an obesity rate where it isn't at least 20 and so there's been this widespread shift doesn't matter about you know zip code health uh wealth education like it is just across the entire country and then the third thing is if you get on twitter and you type in some keywords like

hospital health care you know name whatever people are complaining and complaining and complaining that the health care system is broken it's too expensive they can't get good you know service etc and so where do you think we went wrong like where are the problems right again we're trying to compound capital for decades and decades. But obviously, something is wrong in the healthcare system. What are those problems? There's a lot of problems, a lot of individual institutions to blame. You know, the Make America Healthy Again initiative, I completely concur with that. We are feeding the majority of America sugar. And when did it become natural to feed kids Captain Crunch cereal for breakfast, right? So I grew up with that. And somewhere over the

last 50 years, that was what became breakfast. And it's just all sugar. The human body never evolved to consume as much sugar as we have. A hundred years ago, we would consume a couple of kilograms per year. Now it's a hundred kilograms per year. Sugar was a very recent addition to the human diet. And it turns out it's one of the major cardiac inflammatory and neuroinflammatory agents. And we're just killing ourselves with the amount of sugar we're taking in um whole plants i mean these are the very basic things i think we all know but when you go through medical school today there are like no classes on nutrition um it's like it's like not part of it but of course food as medicine is one of the most important things so in the book

i have a chapter on you know longevity diet it's not difficult minimize sugar uh maximize whole plants, if you're sitting down at a meal, even the order in which you eat your food matters. You know, tonight, when you're sitting down for dinner, first off, you know, drink a glass of water first. Second thing, take a deep breath in, slow down, activate your parasympathetic system, your rest and digest system, and then eat your vegetables first, like a salad, or your, you know, broccoli or asparagus that fiber slows down your digestive system eat your protein next and then if you have room you can eat your carbs last uh you know when you're at a restaurant and they bring out the basket of bread and the wine they're not doing that just to be nice because

you might be hungry they're doing that because they want to spike your blood glucose which makes you hungrier which makes you order more food from the restaurant it's a it's a slight bit of manipulation. So what we eat, how we eat it matters. Chewing your food, we all know these things. Not sitting down in front of CNN, the Crisis News Network and eating your food, which gets you all in a tizzy and activates your sympathetic nervous system, which is your fight or flight, which is the worst situation to be digesting food in. One of the things that throughout the book I took away is there's this element of long-term thinking, you know, taking a deep breath, the way you eat the food, like they're all little daily

habits or kind of, you know, sequences, etc. But if you do it every single day, the right way for a long period of time, you get the benefit. But if you only do it once a month, you don't really get that much benefit by eating the food in a certain order. It's the daily habit that really feeds into it. Yeah, 100%. I added the very last chapter added to the book was a chapter on routines and habits because i realized that for me the routines and habits i've built over the years and it's really last tech last 10 years i focused on this um that transform my life it's the things that you do every day the small things you do when you get these habits it keeps you from negotiating with yourself right so when i wake up in the morning the first thing i do is have a

gratitude for the day, like, you know, thank you for this incredible day. And I'm so excited for beginning with this positive attitude, right and kicking my butt out of bed to go and work out and I worked out, you know, at least five days a week. You know, last year, I added 10 pounds of muscle, which was my objective, which was not easy, but muscle is your longevity organ. And there are things you can do to add add muscle and lots of reasons we can talk about there. But my day begins the night before by going to sleep um on time you know when you go to sleep on a routine basis um for me it's in bed by 9 30 every night um it's not every night but it's it's my objective to get there and that sets me up for getting up because my body wakes up at like 5 30 anyway

and uh if i go to sleep at 9 30 that gets me my eight hours of sleep listen diet exercise and sleep and mindset still one of the most extraordinary critical things on the sleep side one of the things that uh i keep coming back to is uh and people who have been listening to this podcast for a long time know uh i used to sleep horribly i became very serious about it it frankly changed my life um and you know i talk about it now it's like it's nature's doctor like go see the doctor every night and just make sure you get that sleep yeah um what are you doing from a routine standpoint because there's people with kids there's people who are staring at their computers and their phones and all like like walk us through that whole routine that helps you set

up for a good night of sleep yeah and be gentle with yourself right if you don't get a good night sleep don't blame yourself whatever it's like it's an objective that you have so um and it's different for everybody but i lay out in the in the sleep chapter uh first of all the single most important thing is regularity, your brain and your routines. So for me, my rule is, listen, I'm at my Abundance 360 event. I've got 600 CEOs in the audience. The party goes till 11 o'clock or 12 o'clock at night. By 9.30, I'm in bed. And it's just my promise to myself. And I set the temperature of the room down low. It's typically down at 63 degrees Fahrenheit, which helps you get a deep night, a night of great deep sleep. It's not eating food

at least two hours beforehand. It's not exercising just before sleep. It's unfortunately no alcohol, right? I've cut out almost 100% of alcohol. I'll have maybe a half a glass of wine socially um during the during the week and it is uh i use a manta night mask that keeps all the light out i also use a mouth guard that has an upper and lower guard that juts my jaw out a little bit forward that keeps me with an open airflow so i don't have any kind of disruptive airflow at night there are lots of things you can do some people it's hot baths and a hot bath is a chance to dilate your outer vascular system of your skin and that allows you to dump temperature to the same idea as getting the room cold um is taking a hot bath before going to sleep and it allows

your core temperature to actually uh to go down i use an aura ring you know it's uh i was an early investor in the company uh but it it gamifies sleep for me it i know i go to sleep at night I wake up in the morning and how was my sleep score? Did I get over a 90, which is my objective? Did I get an hour of deep sleep? And so all of these things we talk about in the book are, each of them are elements to help you maximize your sleep. And having kids, having a night shift, having all of these things can be disruptive for

sure. And there could be periods of your life where you're not having great sleep, but when you can, you should. It is waking up in the morning with a clean slate and a positive attitude sets you up for the day. So you go to sleep, you get this great night of sleep. You did your whole routine, ready to rock and roll. You wake up, you're refreshed. I know a lot of people from an investment standpoint, Bitcoin's a 24-7 market, but a lot of people getting ready for the stock market to open. They pull out that phone, they start reading the news, they're checking prices, all that kind of stuff. What are you doing when you wake up that puts you in a better spot? Yeah. And listen, I'm guilty as well of looking at a few things. But in the morning when I wake

up, my first action is gratitude. I'm living during the most amazing time ever. I'm grateful for what i have a chance to do during the day um it's a you know it's a day of infinite possibility so just getting that mindset that positive optimistic abundance mindset i'll go then i'll sit down i'll do a meditation i have a stack things i have a red light therapy um you know uh and i'll do full body red light uh i'll meditate um i will then probably do a very quick 10-minute scan of my email. Is there any emergency that came in from the night? I'll create my must-do, my top five items for the day that I want to accomplish. If I accomplish these five items today, it's a rocking day. And then I will write for an hour. So I write every morning.

It's my guilty pleasure and my mind is clearest. And that will take me from 5.30 till 7.30 And then I have my four days a week. I'm in the gym. Other three days, I'm doing cardio. And then launch into the day. So my goal is not to have my day disrupted by texting and emails and everything. My first few hours of my day are my golden hours. They're mine.

I get to use them as I want. Now, one of the things when you talk about exercise in the book, if I remember correctly, the number that you use is 4,000 steps. There's a bunch of science that shows you have clearer thinking, you're healthier, you know, all this other stuff. I thought that it was interesting that it was 4,000 because that's a much more approachable number than I've heard 10,000, 12,000, right? Numbers that a lot of people look and say, how the heck am I going to get that many?

Whereas 4,000 seems much easier to accomplish. I see what I'm up to today. i'm up to uh 7200 so that's good i took my morning walk i'll try and get to 10 000 so listen at the end of the day there are lots of different studies that show you know different levels like 4 000 7 000 10 000 you'll get data of each of these i guarantee you 4 000 is infinitely better than none and the challenge we have right now after going through covid is we're sitting on our butt as you and i are doing right this second i think of smoking you know sitting as the new smoking and one of the things i've started doing is i've got a um a stationary bike and i've got

a treadmill desk and i've got i'm a block off of santa monica's uh you know uh strand and i will take my board meetings on my bike on my on my stationary bike unless i'm the one presenting I'll be sitting here, you know, just trying to keep my heart rate at 105 heartbeats per minute, which is enough to be activating my mitochondria in a zone two sense, but not so much that I can't have a conversation or I'll put on my earbuds and I'll take phone calls walking on the on the street. I mean, the judo move is to say, okay, be jealous of your time. And like, is this next phone call something I can take as I'm walking or as I'm on the bike or as I'm on a treadmill? And majority of time, the answer is yes. And so if you are selfish in that way and say, listen, I'm going to take this one out

on a walk. Um, you can, you can squeeze in 4,000 steps easy enough. I don't think that that is, um, hard for most people to do, uh, to get to the 4,000. So I thought that was pretty interesting. Another thing that you said, uh, in the book that I thought it was fascinating, uh, daylight savings time when they moved the clocks hospitals report like a 25, 24% increase in heart attacks. And heart attacks. Yeah.

So it's interesting. Um, this is an annual experiment that occurs. this work is from uh dr matthew walker who is he wrote an incredible book why we sleep um he's most definitively the world's sleep expert and i i the man's amazing and if you have not read why we sleep i commend it to everybody um he goes through the data about you know the human species is the only species that that actually short changes our cells of sleep um and when i was in medical school years ago i would pride myself on being able to get by with fiber five and a half hours of sleep and you know my saying was there'll be plenty of

time to sleep when i'm dead but the reality is you're getting so little sleep will kill you um it it drops your immune levels it drops you as for male testosterone levels um it's an increase like you said, getting an hour of less sleep increases ER visits for heart attacks by, you know, 24, 25%. And you actually reduce the amount of ER visits when we get, you know, the hour back later on. Sleep is fundamental. You know, the way I think about it is when we were evolving on the savannas of africa a hundred thousand two hundred thousand years ago um before we had homes when we were open to predation uh when you were sleeping you know you weren't being productive you weren't being reproductive you weren't defending yourself if evolution could

have done away with sleep it would have and we need sleep it is the foundational it's the foundation upon which everything else and when people say listen sleep diet and exercise you know it still is those fundamental basics and they're tools to help you with each of those now and they're the they're the uh first if you would the first bridge that will get us to the second bridge of longevity which is a lot of the therapeutics under development right now when you look at um again from this like investor lens what i find fascinating about you is you're constantly looking for the next thing the next piece of technology the next great company but as a user who is interested in longevity those two worlds are now colliding there's a

ton of technology and products companies that are trying to help people do this um there are things that are kind of futuristic like brain computer interfaces which you talk about then there are things that are as simple as uh getting quarterly blood uh check-ins and making sure that you know you're kind of on track how important is the futuristic stuff versus maybe the like blocking and tackling simple stuff and the reason why i think about That is like, one of my greatest fears is that you and I, we were born in the famous quote of, we were born too late to discover the earth and explore the earth, but born too early to discover the stars and go explore out there.

And so how do you think about some of this like futuristic technology? I, so I live in this futuristic technology, right? I have two large venture funds, Bold Capital, which is investing in biotech and health tech, about $600 million, and Exponential Ventures, about $500 million, investing in AI. And so I'm seeing all of these companies constantly. And it's magical. And AI and biotech slash longevity are colliding. And this next decade is a real decade of the healthspan revolution because of AI. You know, we have 40 trillion cells in our body.

Every cell is running between a billion to 2 billion chemical reactions per second. And there's no way for a human to understand what's going on. But AI can. And we're beginning to understand fundamentally what's going on. You know, as I say in the subtitle of the book, how to slow, stop and reverse aging. Then not in the second part of the subtitle is in not dying from something stupid. And let me mention what that what that second part is. If I were to ask you or anybody listening right now.

If you are you absolutely sure you know that nothing is going on inside your body, you need to know about. and most of us are optimists about our health we think we're fine but we all have friends and colleagues who we know had us had a pain or problem they go to the doctor the doctor says listen i'm sorry to tell you this but you've got stage three or stage four this or that where you've got you know advanced blockage in your coronary arteries and the thing to realize is it didn't just happen that morning right it's been going on for some time and unless you look you're not going to find out and people say well i don't want to know and i'm saying bullshit of course you want to know you want to know as early as you can when you can do something about it

because you're going to find out eventually you want to find out early because this medicine has moved incredibly far in our ability to address almost everything so uh one of the companies that tony robbins and and and i started with bill cap is a company called fountain life um i write about it it's one of the companies uh that provides this or others i think fountain life is best personally but we have uh we have centers in new york our headquarters in orlando we have naples and doubt and dallas we're opening up la houston arizona miami soon and these are 10 000 square foot centers where you go and over the course of four and a half hours we upload you we digitize you full body mri brain brain vasculature and a coronary ct

with an ai overlay low dose lung ct dexa scan your full genomics your microbiome metabolomics all of this and to answer two questions is there anything going on inside your body right now that you need to know about and take care of and the second is what's likely to happen to you in the future? And how do we optimize you to prevent that? And we've saved hundreds and hundreds of lives. And the numbers from our first 5,000 patients are impressive. 2% of people who are seemingly healthy have a cancer they don't know about. 2.5% have an aneurysm they don't know about. 14.4% have either metabolic disease, coronary artery disease, or neurodegenerative disease. And when you find out early, there are a multitude of protocols to get you back

into a state of health. So I think of not dying from something stupid as giving yourself the benefit of this kind of a found life upload on an annual basis. That goes along with wearing a seat bow wearing a helmet when you're skiing you know not texting and driving you know things that makes make sense to do when you think about um kind of your journey here what was the hardest thing for you to do right you know it's like uh in investing uh i think one of the things that the younger generation is learning it's easy to buy it's really hard to sell but you don't know that until you've already bought and you go through like oh when do i sell should i have sold i you know oh i I messed this up, whatever, you're now kind of, you know, it's also hard to, it's also hard not

to churn your investments. It's hard to hold on for the long run. Exactly. Like, you know, you tend to sell the ones that you shouldn't sell and you tend to hold the ones that you should, you know, that you should have sold. So for you, what has been the hardest part and what did you do to kind of get over that? I, I had to make a decision that my health was a priority. that is the fundamental first step if um if you make a decision you make the choice that my health is a priority for me uh that i want to live an extra 20 or 30 healthy years right now the average human lifespan in the united states is uh you know 78 79 and that's your lifespan that's how long your heart is ticking but health span typically ends

at 63 so we've got this like 16 year gap during which last 16 years you're not healthy uh you've got you know diabetes or coronary disease or you know a whole slew of things and all of these things are reversible by making the choice that your health your life or either yourself or your spouse or your kids is a priority and it's choosing to invest a certain amount of the time in the day and building those routines and those habits and once you do that becomes part of your identity listen one of the easiest things to do in a step in that direction is you know you heard the saying you're the average of the five people you spend the most time with so are you spending time with people who care about their health and are in good shape and have good eating habits or not.

And if you're not, maybe it's time to shuffle a deck on your friend group. Because I guarantee you, if you hang out with people who are working out and eating healthy, and their health is a priority, it will impact you in a very positive fashion. The flip side, if you're hanging out with people who are lazy and are eating crap because you're going to be lazy and eat crap as well so these are small choices that you make what you listen to what you read you know our brains are neural nets you know i talk a lot about most people might know me from my world in tech and ai and all of these areas you know our brains 100 billion neurons 100 trillion synaptic connections that everything we know feel here our brains are neural nets and you train your neural net just

like ai large language models get trained by what you read what you listen to what's on your posters on your wall the people you hang out with and so choose that carefully you know i also happen to think that longevity is the largest marketplace on the planet. So I'm in front of family offices, you know, YPO groups, all kinds of high net worth individuals. And if I get into a open, honest conversation, I'll say, okay, let me ask you a question. How much of your net wealth would you spend for an extra 20 or 30 healthy years of life and at the end of the day if they're honest about it the majority would spend majority of their of their wealth on on buying those extra 20 or 30 healthy years i mean we spend a lot of our wealth in the last couple years of life

with like these crazy efforts in the hospital, um, versus spending it earlier on, uh, to get yourself in the best position, right. Um, to get yourself in the healthiest position. Well, and I think one of the things that, um, I can't remember, maybe it was, uh, uh, being mortal maybe is the book, uh, that talks about how American individualism that makes us so strong as we're kind of growing and building wealth and doing all of this is also one of our biggest detriments at the end of our life. Most other cultures, you know, the older, uh, kind of elderly, they move in with their younger children, their children take care of them, et cetera, in America, they move into retirement homes or they basically hold on to, you know, live as long

as you possibly can in the hospital, but you're hooked up to a bunch of tubes and, you know, it's not really, uh, kind of the health span. Yeah. It's not really the health span that you talk about yeah another another aspect that i was surprised that was in the book is skin care elaborate on that so when you think about what is important for your longevity um i think you want to think clearly right um you want to move well you want to have uh immunity we'll talk about that in a moment and you want to look good when you look yourself in the mirror um your mind is such a powerful tool mind over matter that you want to look at yourself and say hey i'm doing pretty damn well and so i care about skincare i care about you know how i visibly look

to myself because that's incentive and encouragement to keep myself in the best shape i can so you know thinking clearly moving well looking good i think is is a important part of of longevity is it the most important part no but um there are products out there i talk about one of the products i love um full disclosure i'm an advisor of the company because i love the founding team there are four phd women who've done incredible work and they've identified there's something called a senescent cell and senescent cells are cells typically will divide 50 times it's called a hayflick limit and then they should have the decency to die sometimes they become cancer cells and other times they become senescent cells

which are also called grouchy old men cells they they sit there on the edge of mortality and they just pump out inflammatory factors and so what this company called one skin did was they found a particular 10 amino acid sequence of peptide that kills senescent cells in the skin and i just i love their product i've been using it for for multiple years and um you should be the front of the ad like just be like he says he's 63 he looks 21 use our product there you go yeah i mean i think his skin care is one but the other one that i have an entire section on here is dental health crazy it's like yeah people i mean i have so much respect for taking care of my dental health right now and i i've doubled up on or tripled up on what i do there it turns out

that your teeth we don't think about this but your teeth and your gums are a direct entry into the bloodstream and so cardiac health and neural health brain health uh can be massively affected negatively impacted by uh by gum disease and by gum health so i spend a lot more extra time um i wish i'd done it more when i was younger but i do it now for sure and i lay out the protocols you know i wanted to build longevity guidebook in a way that you could pick it up and say hey let me see what's going on in dental or skin or muscle you know can i just read one one thing from One thing that I know you talk about and is important, which is mindset, right? You've got mindsets for being an investor, mindsets in being an entrepreneur.

And so the power of mindsets here, and this is on page 121 here, it says, in a study of 69,744 women and 1,429 men published in the prestigious journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, which is like the highest level, it was found that optimistic people live as much as 15% longer than pessimists. I believe it. i found that i found that you know pretty damn extraordinary and it's like you know i let me share one other quick story here this is about mind over matter and so this is one of my favorite stories um illustrating um mind over matter uh and one of my favorite things also is always uh always make your future bigger than your past right if you have something to look forward

to. You're going to take care of yourself. You're going to be alive. You have a positive attitude in life. So, as it turns out, in an extraordinary demonstration of the will to live, two of America's founding fathers, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams, both willed themselves to live long enough to see the 50th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence. Even though the average life expectancy was only 44 years old in the early 1800s jefferson was 83 at the time and adams who was 90 made it to the made it to july 4th 1826 both dying on that exact date the 50th anniversary of the nation they had founded crazy it's mind the mind is a very powerful tool well i also think that um mind is like your internal uh force but then one of the

things that um i have probably told more young people than i would like to admit is to knock off the um vaping smoking you know these things yes that are they're cultural though and so there's like a societal uh thing especially young men um i've seen like teenagers or you know young 20s the hey it's cool everyone else has a vape pen you know type thing and i feel like i'm like you I feel like I'm my dad now telling telling young people like hey not knock this off but but it is really it is really kind of crazy how much if you go talk to me like they're like I don't even necessarily like I'm not addicted to this it's just like that's what we all do and so to your your your earlier point like your friends whatever it's like the right mindset the right people

around you and being able to resist the societal pressure guess what be a leader make eating vegetables cool make going to the gym and working out cool make taking care of yourself cool you know set the trend stop following everybody else um anyway it's uh you know there's the the books the part of the books we've just talked about is what you can do right now this book started by people coming and saying like what are you doing for your health and like i take like 75 80 pills every day then the entire chapter on the meds and supplements i take and in detail everything i take and why i take it and i say to people listen this is what i do i do bloody you know quarterly blood testing through found life every quarter i measure everything all the

time um and you should decide what you want to take as meds or supplements my rationale is there but in consultation with your doctor um but what i get excited about is you know the stuff i can do right now i'm doing it sharing it by the way this book i'm donating all the proceeds of this book to the x prize foundation i'll talk about that in a minute um and i'm offering the book if you go to longevity guidebook.com you can get the book at cost with a bunch of other other benefits uh this is about getting the word out to the world this is about like you know putting aside the political side of it it is about making the world healthy again um anyway there is so much coming down the pike so much technology that is extraordinary i'll give you one example so

as you know uh one of the organizations i started 30 years ago hard to believe is the XPRIZE Foundation. We put up these large global competitions. Our first XPRIZE was a private competition for private spaceflight, offered up $10 million. The first team to build a spaceship that carried three adults up 100 kilometers land and do it again within two weeks. Over the 30 years, we've launched 30 XPRIZEs, launched $100 million prize that I got Elon to fund to remove carbon out of the atmosphere at scale. And last year, I raised $141 million to launch a health span prize. And so this is $101 million competition. By the way, you'll find this funny. It's $101 million because the first benefactor, Chip Wilson, the founder of Lululemon,

who's donated originally $35 million, he said, how big is Elon's prize? That's $100 million. He goes, can we make it 101? I said, sure, if you toss in the additional million bucks. I love that story. Anyway, so Chip's been a blessing. He's a beautiful man. And this is a $101 million cash prize with another $10 million bonus for a team that can come up with a therapeutic that if I deliver to you within one year or less, it can reverse

the your functional losses in immune cognition and muscle meaning by 20 years at least 10 years as much as 20 years so the goal is can i reverse as we get older our muscles begin to atrophy it's called sarcopenia our immune system becomes exhausted we have neurodegeneration our span memory reduces and so the goal is can this therapeutic reverse your muscle loss your cognitive loss and your immune loss by at least 10 years as much as 20 years we have 460 teams competing for this prize and i've seen the technology and it's mind-blowing um and so there is this incredible revolution coming i talk about the different elements in stem cells and epigenetic reprogramming. And I make that a small part of the book because it's just now becoming

available. And it's about getting people excited about what's coming. It's like you want to be in the best shape you can be in to intercept this stuff over the next decade. I think it's a no brainer. And it's very obvious what that direction of progress is. So even if it's starting small today, it's obviously going to get bigger, more important, et cetera. My last question for you is, yeah, I'm an investor, I'm out there buying assets, I'm looking at my portfolio value, how much is this all going to cost me? And should I just think of a certain amount of money every year, as I put x dollars in my investment portfolio, I put y dollars in my health, and those two things are going to help me compound for 40, 50, 60 years?

Yeah, I think it's a really smart question to ask. I mean, so what is an extra decade or a couple of decades of health worth for you, right? On the compounding side of the equation, it's worth a lot, right? So, I mean, your future self is gonna thank you for this. A lot of the stuff I talk about in the book, diet, exercise, sleep is effectively free. Mindset, all those things

really don't cost you much of anything. The fountain life, the scanning yourself every year, if you can afford it, I think it's a moral obligation. I mean, you're driving with your eyes closed, effectively not knowing what's going on inside. So Fountain Life, the annual membership there for the upload, but in addition to the full digital upload and the AI you get with all your data in it, you get an entire medical team for the year. you get a functional medicine longevity doctor, you get a nurse, you get a dietician and a health coach. And so that's $19,500 for the year for all of the upload and for the entire health team to support you for the full year and an additional quarterly testing. Found is also going to be releasing a version of, so that was called the Apex program. It's

releasing a version called Core, which is for companies or company executives at $6,500. So it's going to be demonetized over time. As AI is coming in, the technologies are getting cheaper. All of these things are going to continue to bring the prices down over time. But there are lots of levels. I talk about this in the book. There's stuff you could do for you know 500 bucks a year a thousand bucks a year it's making a decision but the number one thing you can do is make the decision that your health is important get in the gym sleep at least seven eight hours get rid of or minimize your sugar right um eat your whole plants have a positive mindset get a great great friend group i mean these things are all fundamental i really do

think that there's this element of um just saying to yourself i'm a healthy person a healthy person eats certain food a healthy person you know works out a healthy person doesn't drink a lot a healthy person doesn't smell like it's um i think it's james clear's atomic habits like kind of like your identity becomes your action yes um i you know it goes back to kind of your idea of mindset and the importance of that um is really important and you know i think that uh while people see a longevity book i honestly believe that the single most important component to people's portfolio over a long period of time is the fact that they don't take care of their health and how many people had a great run for 20 or 30 years but

imagine what they could have done if they didn't die at 55 60 65 years old if they had lived till they were 90 i mean that is compounding that is incredible health is the new wealth it really truly is i mean it's the greatest gift you can give yourself and the people that you love I mean, you know, there's one of my favorite sayings is the man or woman who has their health has a thousand dreams, and the man or woman does not has but one. And anybody who's ever been there, it is so true. Nothing else matters. Your portfolio doesn't matter anymore. Your, you know, your company, it's like, oh, my God, I am in such pain. um the other thing by the way is as a producer why don't people retire they retire because they're tired or they're in pain or they're forced to well what would it be like if you're 70 or 80 and you've got the best rolodex of your life you're more excited about life you got the best relationships you got the best wisdom ever and you're in the game i mean for me that's

That's, you know, when I think of, uh, you know, some of the incredible entrepreneurs out there, um, that's like Larry Ellison, that's the game they're playing. They're at the peak of their game. And, you know, Larry's another, you know, incredible health and longevity aficionado. And he's what, he's gotta be in his eighties. Yeah. He's in his late eighties. And, you know, ready to rock and roll.

Incredible. Rocking and rolling across the board. He's created more wealth for himself in the last few years than he has like his entire lifetime. He's like playing with Elon every place and God bless him. Love his mindset. He's got a killer attitude, but a longevity attitude on top of that. You know, let me share one last thing.

There's a concept called longevity escape velocity. And I write about it in the book. And it's a concept that Aubrey de Grey and Ray Kurzweil talked about. And it's the notion that there is going to be a point in time that for every year that you're alive, science is going to extend your life for greater than a year. And Ray predicts we're going to reach longevity escape velocity by the end of the year 2030, like in six years, right? um two of the other uh top longevity scientists both at harvard medical school george church and david sinclair um you know as i've interviewed them and they've been friends for many years investors in their companies their prediction is it's in the mid to late 2030s translation

you know it's somewhere between the next 6 to 15 years and if that's true if all of a sudden And in the next 6 to 15 years, we are discovering the fundamental reasons why we age, how to slow it, stop it, perhaps reverse it. You want to be around for that. It's going to be an extraordinary time. It's the same time that we're learning so much in the technology and science world, and we're creating more wealth than ever before. so for me you know the only day more exciting than today is tomorrow i want to see as much of it as i can get i'm wishing you longevity both in your life but also in your portfolio my friend i appreciate you taking the time to do this where can we send people by the way

yeah as you say longevity and bitcoin the two go hand in hand the a uh i think bitcoin is teaching people to be long-term holders and you're teaching people how to live a long time those two things definitely go together what um where can we send people uh you mentioned a website for the book and then where can we send people to find you yeah so please go to go to longevity guidebook.com um it's available there now uh you'll get it uh basically the printing of the book and the ship and the shipping included it's like 10 bucks or 12 bucks cheaper than amazon I'm just trying to get the book into as many hands as possible. Diamandis.com is my personal website.

I'm at Peter Diamandis on Twitter and Instagram. If you're interested in Fountain Life, it's just FountainLife.com. And again, it's not for everybody, but if you can afford it, it is the greatest investment you will make. We've saved so many lives. I'm so proud of the work that we're doing there. Amazing. Yeah. Well, listen, thank you so much for taking the time to do this. I've learned a ton from you over the years, and it's fun to talk about this new book. So best of luck, and we'll talk soon.

Yeah, I'm excited. Next year will be on when Bitcoin's at 250K. Yeah. Onward and upward.