The Pomp Podcast - #633 Independent Thought Is A Superpower with Zuby

Episode Date: August 16, 2021

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and do not reflect the opinions of Pomp Investments. You should not treat any opinion expressed by Pomp or his guests as a specific inducement to make a particular investment or follow a particular strategy, but only as an expression of his personal opinion. This podcast is for informational purposes only. we talked i think last year if i remember correctly or maybe a little bit before uh

corona and all this stuff i think we've done two two uh recordings once on your podcast one on mine yeah which means like we're helping each other you know you help me help you vice versa as it should be uh a lot has happened why are you in the united states let's start there first you're coming for multiple months i think yeah i'm gonna be here up until the end of october so there's a without a visa coming over there's something called anesta which is a british citizen you can get and it gives you three months in the u.s up to three months in the u.s so i actually got booked to do a couple big speaking events so i got booked by the young america's foundation which is a big student conservative organization here in the u.s they booked me to do a speech at their

43rd annual student conference in houston so i did that and then i also got booked by young Americans for Liberty, which is a big student libertarian organization. So I spoke there. I did a keynote speech in Orlando about a week ago now. And then after that, I've just been booked to do a whole ton of podcasts. I haven't been to the States. I was supposed to come here three times last year. Everything got canceled because of all the RONA restrictions. And yeah, I've just been booked for a lot of stuff. I'll be on Joe Rogan on Tuesday. I was on Fresh and Fit here in Miami a couple of days ago, and it's going to be doing some, I'm going all over. I'm going to like 10 different States. I feel like everyone wants you to come on their podcast because you're one

of the last reasonable voices and you're willing to tell the truth. So let's just start right there. It feels like, uh, there's an entire contingent of the world, whether it's individuals, organizations, governments, politicians, just everybody that gets put in this bucket. they essentially uh still try what i'll call old world tactics so they try to mislead they try to obscure facts they don't own mistakes like everything that you would expect in the old world they still do but there's a new contingent kind of the new world uh um you know population if you will that just says look i have opinions i'm right sometimes i'm wrong sometimes i'll tell you when i'm right and i'm wrong uh i'll take my victory laps but also own my mistakes and uh i'm

not scared to share my opinion i don't necessarily just need to pretend to be unbiased because nobody is unbiased and it feels like you are one of a couple of people who are kind of leading that charge especially on twitter and other places so how do you think about like the tactics that you use from like a new world perspective rather than those old world tactics it's an interesting question, man. I think human beings always value authenticity while they should. There's a contingency of people who actually quite like being lied to because comforting lies make people feel good emotionally. But I think when someone is willing to cut through that and do everything you just said and be real and be honest and not lie, right? Like when you're talking about

mainstream media, politicians, et cetera, it's just lies upon lies upon lies. And once you start lying, you have to continue to lie to keep your house of cards together, right? If you're just honest and you're truthful and you're authentic, even if you're wrong sometimes, it's better to be honest and to be wrong than to intentionally lie, right? People trust me because I don't lie. People like you because you don't lie. People like guys like Joe Rogan, et cetera, because they don't lie. It doesn't mean you're always correct. That's a different thing. And like you said, if you're wrong, you can own your mistakes and say, okay, this is my opinion. This is what's fact. This is what's opinion, et cetera. Be clear on all that. And I think there are billions of

people out there who, of course, who are online, are on social media, are watching YouTube, listening to podcasts. They themselves don't have the platform to have their voice and their opinions heard by thousands or millions of people. So for those of us who do and are willing to put something on the line and to be authentic and to be truthful i think people gravitate to not just because it's real but also because it's it represents them so i only speak for myself i can only speak for zuby right i can't speak on behalf of a whole community or the whole world you speak for yourself but in doing so you inadvertently actually also speak for millions of people so even though it's your own unique voice there's millions of people out there who

are like man like he's saying he's saying what i'm thinking and he's articulating it in a way that maybe I'm not able to, or I don't have a platform to do it. So I think that's why people like it. I know a number of the people that you're mentioning here, and I think we could have come up with example after example of other folks who follow a similar kind of path. What do you think gives those people the freedom or the confidence to tell the truth, to own mistakes in public versus kind of the old world tactics? Is it a individual like confidence, you know, in kind of just, um, the belief that like, I don't care what people think. Uh, is it a freedom? Like I can't get fired from my job type thing. Like what, what drives that?

I think it's a few things. I don't think it starts from the freedom angle because there are plenty of people who have F you money, who are not authentic and are not truthful and are willing to lie, manipulate people, so on and so forth. Right. This goes for a whole class of political and media elites, shall we say even. Um, so I think it comes more from personality, character, and principles. I think that's what it is. I mean, you can have somebody who starts out broke, you know, I mean, every, most people don't start out with tons and tons of money. Right. And so you don't start out with that freedom. I mean, I get people now who are like, Oh, you know, you can do what you do and whatever, because you're, you know, you've,

you've got this big platform and you're independent and whatever. It's like, bro, like the first year. So I used to 28, 2008 to 2011, I worked in the corporate world. Okay. I was a management consultant, 2019. Uh, no, not even 2019, 2020 last year was the first year that I made more as I went to become full-time independent, self-employed in November, 2011. Okay. So 2008, basically the 2008 to 2011, I'm working in corporate world and doing my music stuff on the side, 2011, I'm like, okay, I'm leaving this. I'm going to go become a full-time musician. See what I can do with my music. 2020 was the first year that I made more money doing what I do now than I used to make in my old job. Nine years, nine years. Right. And throughout this

whole period, I'm having people, Oh, Zuby's in music for the money. I was like, bro, I was making more money in the corporate world. And I was on a much clearer trajectory, whatever. So when people are now saying, Oh, you're doing this because like, you know, you can't get canceled or you're I'm like, bro, like I've, it took me 10 years, literally 10 years plus to get to that level. This, this didn't happen by accident. It was conscious choice, you know? And I think people, I think we have an epidemic of cowardice, right? There's a pandemic of cowardice going on in the world. Forget any other pandemic. Cowardice is the major pandemic going on in all, all levels. What do you mean by that? I mean, people are afraid to, we're supposed to have free speech

in this country, right? We're supposed to, we're supposed to have free speech in the people are terrified to even why are people anonymous on twitter why what's the main reason people are anonymous on twitter they don't want to link their name to what they're saying they don't want to be accountable for what they're saying they're afraid right everything's based on fear why are people running around with masks on outside they're afraid they're afraid of the virtue signaling of you see me without one and therefore afraid of the social stigma and social ostracization that you're not wearing a mask outside because you're afraid of a virus that doesn't even make sense right um so everyone is just living in fear all the time like i get dms

every day emails it's and it's it's fear it's fear fear fear i'm afraid to say i voted for trump i'm afraid to say i voted for brexit i'm afraid to not wear a mask i'm afraid to uh people are now willing to inject something into their body that they don't want because they're afraid of what will happen if they don't that's insane now if you want to take a medicine you want to that's fine but the you shouldn't be doing it because of fear or bullying or coercion i literally i had a guy dm me saying it uh his girlfriend said she won't she won't sleep with him unless he gets the vaccine i'm like bro like come on man like throw some balls dude um like and you know and he went with it you know i'm just like dude like what's this world we're living in fear driven

by uh the lack of social acceptance so let's say uh forget like the uh the virus and all that first thing that's like a whole other pandora's box but just i hope i didn't get that demonetized by the way no no you're fine we're gonna talk about it uh yeah we're definitely gonna talk about it um let's say that uh voting for trump is a great example right uh somehow it appears that the american flag became politicized in that if you had an american flag that means that you voted for trump you voted for trump you're racist right that is one talk track it's not the only talk track uh there are some people who agree with that same way there are some people who disagree with it yeah all up for debate but with that said there are people who voted for a candidate and

they do not want anyone to know that they did that on the other side there are people who might not have even voted but they want everyone to know that they support a certain type of candidate and so is that a new phenomenon like has there always been fear of the crowd or is this something that now is being exasperated by social media and kind of the mob mentality and and frankly what i would call like the ultimate cyber bullying which is if you say something that is not within the mainstream talking points you are attacked from all sides yeah i don't think it's anything new there's nothing new under the sun human beings are the same as we've been for thousands of years we just have more stuff the technology has evolved and improved we're the same human beings this

something i i often hammer home and which i think it's important for people to realize we're not you know there's something c.s lewis called chronological snobbery which is this assumption that people in any era think that they're so much better and smarter and wiser and more evolved than their ancestors which in some ways to some extent there's some truth to it because obviously we build up off the knowledge and lessons from the past or if you're intelligent than you do. Uh, but fundamentally we're, we're the same people. We have to have the same emotions, same desires, same cognitive strengths and weaknesses, same susceptibility to group think or whatever it is. And so I don't think any of that stuff has changed and there has always been

social stigma and social shaming and the fear of that, which is by the way, is not inherently a bad thing, right? There's many cases where some things are shameful, right? It shouldn't be, it shouldn't be uh socially accepted to do absolutely anything and everything that you're you you desire um but it can go to a dangerous level i'd say something similar with human beings are tribal right tribalism is innate in human beings and that's something that's neutral it's not positive or negative it can manifest in fantastic positive ways friendship community family right like tribal uh nationality feeling pride i'm hey i'm proud to be british i'm proud to be american like that's positive but if it becomes this uh okay like either you're with us

or against us thing or okay it's us versus them this whole divide division thing it could be along racial lines gender lines ethnicity nationality religion politics whatever it is when it gets to an extreme level it can literally lead to genocide lead to the worst thing which is pretty much the worst thing possible that human beings can do so with all of this it's just about it's about moderation and making these natural feelings that we have i think work in the right way and i think there's been if i could sum up the last decade i think it's been an overcorrection right i think the pendulum pendulum has swung way too hard in one direction where the overton window has really really shrunk down to people feeling afraid to literally literally voice we're not talking some

extreme views or radical stuff just i mean look how many people voted for trump in the last election 70 something million a big number yeah tens of millions of people it's not so it's not so regardless of someone's feelings about like no one's afraid to say i voted for biden right so why should someone be afraid no one was afraid to say i voted for hillary so why should someone be afraid to say i voted for for trump right uh whether again whether someone agrees disagrees whatever but this notion i can't i can't say that like i might lose my job i'm like what you live in america how are you going to lose your job for saying you voted for the president what for the existing president. Yeah. A lot of you clearly did because he's not a dictatorship. So, you know,

you're not alone here. And that level of fear to me is, is just crazy. And it goes into all sorts of things. People are afraid to get canceled, but I think collectively, individually, everyone just needs to be like 10% more, at least 10% more forthcoming and bold in that sense. think and we've talked about this before so i'm cheating here a little bit in that um everyone who watches this knows uh i'm not really into politics i don't like politics uh good uh yeah i don't identify with the political party like like i have a very kind of like unique view which i actually think is becoming more popular where people are just like okay all of you are the same right all of you are lying to us misleading us like doing all this stuff i don't

think that's true okay go ahead i don't think that's true by the way and i know what you think So go ahead. It's not true. And there's never been a clearer time to show that that's not true because you can look state to state right now. What we're doing right now is illegal in some states. Yeah. So this is going to be my point is that, uh, the politicians for the most part have used the old world tactics forever. Trump, I think was the first person who got up there and just look people dead square in the eye and the camera. And basically it was like, I'm lying, right but did it from like such a capitalistic and uh clear way that the people who were still under the guise or the charade of like the politicians don't lie yeah we're oh my god

this is ridiculous he's lying whatever it's like this is just clearly stating what they've been doing the entire time it's just doing it out in the open yeah right and i think that the number one stat when i look at this is uh this state-by-state uh migration where california literally lost so many employees that they're losing the severity of their say in the governance process right they're losing seats they're doing this stuff new york as well there's data that shows people are leaving california new york and they're moving to texas and florida and at the same time that there is this migration people are voting not with their words not going to a ballot box down the street, they're literally picking up their lives and moving them and their family

and friends to another state. At the same time, the narrative seems to be saying something completely different. Right. And so it's, how do you balance those two things? Like the actions don't seem to match the words online. Sure. That's a, that's a great question. And I think it's that people's actions tell you more about what they believe than what they say. Right. Actions speak louder than worlds within words. So someone can be talking out this side of their mouth saying, I don't know, defund the police. All right. Defund the police. Let's abolish the police. Let's raise the taxes. Let's do this, whatever. And then in their actions, they have private security and they are doing everything they can to minimize their tax burden.

Maybe they're even offshoring some money, et cetera. So that person's a capitalist and that person believes in armed protection, right? They're saying, border walls don't work. you live in a gated community you've got a border you've got armed guards you don't you believe in this but it's rules for thee and not for me right look at again i just think this past year has been so interesting are the the governors and the mayors and the political class people in media they don't believe in their own rules they don't believe how many how many people were at obama's birthday last week right they don't believe their own rules you've had all throughout this thing where they've been locking people down shutting down businesses restaurants whatever they've been

going around maskless. They've been having parties. They've been going to restaurants. It's like, they don't believe what they're saying. Like I'm watching the action. So you're, you're saying all this stuff, right? Oh, there's this deadly thing sweeping around. Like everybody should be scared, whatever. And then I'm watching you and I'm like, you're not afraid. Like you're not afraid of this. You're trying to set these certain rules and boundaries for others. And then you're flagrantly ignoring them. And so that says a lot. It's, it's the same as a, I mean, hypocrisy is not new hypocrisy is not new it would be the same as i don't know anyone it would be the i don't know uh i don't i don't know like there there are just so many examples of this but i

think if you watch what people watch what people actually do and how they carry themselves and interact with people etc then okay here's here's another another example is when when you got someone who's i've been on twitter and obviously people know like i'm i'm more rightly truth teller yeah i'm a truth yeah and i'm you know obviously i'm and i'm a black guy right i've i've had someone you know i've had people where i don't know i get in some they take issue with something i say or whatever i go on their profile they have hashtag blm hashtag be kind hashtag anti-racist um, et cetera, et cetera. And they call me like the N word or something. Right. And I'm like, oh, okay. So you have anti-racist in your bio, but because you disagree with me politically,

you're cool with calling a black person an N word. Interesting. That tells me what I need to know. Like I'm not watching the hashtags in your bio, right? If you put hashtag, if you put, I'm a, you know, loving husband and God fearing Christian in your bio, and then you're sliding into girls dms who aren't your wife and you're like trying then your actions are belie are betraying what you're claiming to be and that's an that's an incongruence and people recognize that i think when people see that that's when people really lose trust i i have this uh theory and i haven't fully fleshed it out and i feel like you can help me where um religion has been on an absolute downward trend for you know years if not decades uh specifically in the united

States, but I think globally as well, but, but definitely the United States. Uh, and this is measured in a couple of different ways from religious participation to those that identify with a certain religion, et cetera. But that is a narrow definition of, are you Christian? Are you Muslim? Are you Jew? Right. You know, whatever. And to me, uh, they're just being replaced by other religions. Right. So I'll give you two kind of extreme examples. Um, Berkshire Hathaway, people have heard me talk about this before it's a company but there's got a lot of religious elements to it warren buffett is jesus he has disciples he sends down the good word off the mountaintop people go on mecca every year to omaha nebraska to his annual meeting right uh there's a

way of thinking a morality that is assigned to it all this stuff mind you he was married and had a woman move in with him and you know there's some questionable things that he's personally done but there is a religious aspect to it people adhere to that belief system that kind of way of living um and there's some very unique elements of the pilgrimage to mecca like all this if you go on the other side all the social justice issues that came up uh it almost felt like there was a bifurcation of the audience there were some people who were legitimately concerned really wanted to make a difference and were acting in good faith yes and then there was a bunch of people who kind of felt like hey i either need to do this for social signaling signaling purposes

or i want to feel belonging to something and therefore i will participate and so again these are two of the most polar opposites that i can think of on the uh spectrum there's a whole bunch of examples in between tons but it just feels like humans innately need belonging to a group or to a religion or to something there's like a psychological desire yes and so whether you find that in a investment whether you find that in a social issue whether you find that in a specific way of thinking or literally your book club right like there's there's just this like need for it and if the traditional definition of a religion is declining and people identifying with it there's replacing it with other stuff oh yeah it's nothing new i mean it's not by accident that the

in the 20th century all of the crazy regimes that rose up whether you're talking nazism communism maoism etc they were all very anti-religion because they didn't want the competition if you have a nation full of strong christians or strong muslims or strong people of any religious faith it's very very hard to plant the seeds to worship the state and to worship a dictator etc you'll actually find that people who are traditionally religious do not are less likely to get religious about lots of these other things. The same thing, I mean, one of the most obvious ones is politics, right?

You've got people who will shun their own family members or shun their own friends because they voted differently, right? So you're literally saying that the Democratic Party or the Republican Party or the Conservative Party, Labor Party is more important than my own family, right? My brother voted for X, I don't talk to my brother anymore. I'm like, wow. So you think that's more important than your relationship to your own brother?

Like, that's crazy to me. You've now got the same thing happening. I've been calling. I said I put out a tweet which went viral saying COVID-19 is the world's fastest growing religion. Right. Where you have these adherents, you have acolytes for a freaking virus who will if you are not 100 percent on board with all the measures and the masking and the rituals, then you are a heathen. Right. you're you're literally unclean you know vaccination vaccination is baptism what was their response to that tweet probably a lot of people were real excited about that one i tend to get i tend to get stronger responses on on both sides of all this but but it's true you know because look if you think about it we're on uh like human beings desire certain things

right you you already said community of course right but purpose like why why are we here like what's what's the point but maybe that's more meaning like why are we here what's the point and you've got philosophy you've got religion you have various things that try to answer these questions we've had this for thousands of years then also morality what is right and wrong what are the guiding principles of how i should live my life like what what's right what's wrong etc um and then also purpose like okay what what am i striving for what what's what's optimal how should i orient myself so any any major religion answers these questions right so whether this this isn't uh whether or not someone listening to this is religious or not that doesn't matter but

religion answers these questions it lays it out it's like okay look here's literally a book and this is how you should live your life this is the purpose this is the meaning this is your community so on and so forth um and in the absence of that people still people still seek it because we are whether you whether you believe that human beings are evolved or created by by a god or some combination of the two then we still have biological wiring right just we have a biological wiring to for sexual attraction and for social interaction and for you know wanting food and water like all these things so that that's a natural craving and as people get older you're still gonna you're still going to want to seek that from somewhere so some people

find that in politics, right? You get people who are religious adherents to politics, like you could be super conservative, super liberal, like super anarchist, whatever. And you have, that gives you a community, gives you some sense of purpose and meaning, certainly gives you a sense of morality in terms of what is right and wrong, et cetera. So I think that it's just innate in humans. I think there's like a very small percentage of people who can truly be sort of atheistic on all levels shall we say like truly truly atheistic and secular but dude oh man we didn't even talk about and in the past year and a half the science right the science has evolved into a secular religion and it has nothing to do with science itself of course right trust the

experts follow the science nobody's ever wrong anymore if somebody's wrong they say the science changed right so it's falsifiable we talked about this yesterday um the people who are changing their mind which i think most intelligent folks would say i don't care that people change my actually it's a good sign that you're willing to change your mind right we should celebrate the fact that you're willing to change your mind yeah but it is okay to say you're wrong it goes back to why the authenticity works on the internet right if you're wrong you say hey i thought x i was wrong okay now i believe why and guess what nobody prosecutes you for it because they're like oh wow he said he was wrong okay like but he took the air out of our attack or our critique

but it feels like if you are in a position of power or influence in the legacy system and you use old world tactics in order to engage saying you were wrong is not allowed it's out of bounds you cannot as a politician come up and say we were wrong or if you look at like a um uh kind of the mask situation in march of 2020 in february march that we were told they don't work they don't get them, et cetera. And I think most people said, well, that's a little weird. Uh, I'm not a scientist, so I don't know exactly kind of what's going on, but like that would be a weird statement to be told. Now we're told something different. It feels like people would have way more trust if they just came out and they said, Hey, we were wrong. Not the science changed. Yeah. Just

we were wrong. And it feels like that accountability, like there's a, there's a, a, a thirst for accountability in a way that the people of power and influence don't feel like they can actually adhere to because they feel like it shows them to be weak. But I think you and I understand that no, in today's day and age, you actually get power from having the accountability, admitting you were wrong and kind of being authentic. Yeah, I agree. And you know, on that particular point, it's like, well, when were they wrong? When were they correct? Right. I think they were correct the first time. Right. I think when they were telling people masks don't work, like if you're not sick, there's literally no reason to be wearing a mask, et cetera.

I think that was the truth. And all the real world evidence also suggests that that's the truth. We're 18 months into this. There's no evidence, real world data that mask mandates have helped to save anybody's life. And it doesn't logically make sense wearing a mask unless you actually have got the virus to begin with. And even then it would have to be a particular type of mask. So, but you know, like people, people can have different opinions on that, but coming back to the wider point, it's, it's true. And this is why people lose faith. Like why do millions of people not trust the media? Why do millions of people not trust politicians, et cetera? It's because you've kept on lying. And if you, if you, if you lie, then it's sort of, you know,

someone who's a murderer doesn't kill someone every single day, right? Like they could go, you know, five years without killing someone and then they kill one person and that person's now a murderer, right? So if you lie, then it only takes like one or a couple of lies, let alone dozens and dozens or hundreds and hundreds for people to go, okay, well, I now need to, I can't just trust what this person is saying, especially because they won't. And again, there's a difference between being wrong and lying. Lying is, you know, the truth and you choose to say something that you know is false. Being wrong is you're saying what you believe is true. And then it turns out factually, oh, okay. Like that wasn't actually, that wasn't actually

correct. There was a situation recently where, uh, in the infrastructure bill, which got probably way too much attention in terms of, uh, I think they thought they were just going to get it pushed through and then all of a sudden everyone started freaking out uh because there was a uh component of it around uh bitcoin and cryptocurrencies and tax uh um and some definitions were up for debate and uh there's an 87 year old politician who has already said after this session they are going to retire and when the bill was put forward uh there's basically a a political process in order to vote on should we make amendments to specific parts and the way that this political process began to unfold which i'm not an expert on but my understanding is

it got to the point where the only way that an amendment could get passed is if 100 percent of the politicians agreed on it so you need full agreement and most people think a democracy is 51 but through this very kind of unique uh process you need 100 and so the 87 year old politician voted no on changes to this crypto amendment that had bipartisan support had had you know weeks of debate and you know hundreds if not thousands of people calling politicians and like all this like really big effort behind it and they finally all came together and said we all agree and this is what we're going to put forward yep and when it came up to the vote the 87 year old voted no and when asked why other people said oh it was in it was uh uh in spite

because he had an amendment where he wanted 50 billion dollars more for defense spending okay that did not get approved so he basically said if i don't get my amendment no one here is going to get an amendment of course there's massive blowback online he's 87 i don't think he's on twitter but you know there's a twitter account that that somebody is running for him and uh he also has basically said uh somebody on his staff he believes they should be the next person to fill his seat and so he's kind of uh back them that person immediately came out said hey i think that we should have passed this you know they're kind of doing damage control and then he eventually comes out and says oh i have no problem with the amendment like i actually

think it was a good amendment i just voted no because i didn't get my defense bill and so it was like so cut and dry so black and white somebody was voting against something they thought was a good idea for other purposes. And I think when people saw that, they just said, it's all I need to know about politics. It happens all the time, right? I actually think it's a good idea, but I'm voting now. It happens all the time. It's not rare. I mean, I'm not even from the US, but oftentimes Republicans will propose something and it'll get full support from their side and Democrats will oppose it simply because it was proposed by the Republicans and vice versa. The Democrats come up with something which bipartisan, it's like, okay,

cool. Like that's a good idea, but it'll get 100% support in the democratic party, like 2% support in the Republican party. I'll oppose it literally based on who proposes it. And then later, six months later, it gets proposed by the other side and it, it, it just switches around. And I mean, I know some people who think that this is a good part of us politics because the gridlock means that things move more slowly. I don't know. It seems very immature to me because, again, that's the toxic tribalism, right? Instead of thinking of, okay, think of what politics is supposed to be. It's supposed to be you're not rulers. You're supposed to be representatives of your areas. You're supposed to do what's best for your community, what's best for the American

people. That should really be the question. It shouldn't be what's best for the Republican Party, what's best for the democratic party by the way it's insane you guys have 330 million people and only two like big parties but anyway that's not that's off the point uh that but instead that's that's what it falls down to i mean last year so much stuff was based around oh how would this affect trump's chances of re-election even when it came to the response to this pandemic right People were thinking, is this going to help Trump get reelected or not? Right. And that is insane. Right. If you're actually worried about like doing right by the American people, in this case, actually protecting people's lives, but say, you know, potentially saving people's lives, et cetera. The last thing on your mind should be this red blue donkey versus elephant nonsense. Will we be better off without any political parties? If you had to go in as a politician, you were not allowed to identify with any political party, and you basically had to participate in the governance system without every time your name being listed, it says R-South Carolina, D-New York, or whatever. Would that make the system better? Or is there actually a net positive to having the political parties? I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. It's fascinating to think about.

At the moment, people are incentivized to tow the party line, go along with the party, everything, you know, the party, the party, the party. And again, the focus is on the wrong thing. Or people are even thinking, OK, how does this is this going to get help me get in in power or is it going to help me to become more popular or more wealthy, et cetera? And again, if you're in politics, you're supposed to be representing the people. People always forget that both citizens and those representatives, they forget that they are civil servants. From the president to a congressman, to a mayor, to a governor, you're not supposed to be a king. You're not supposed to be a dictator. You're not supposed to just be our leader. It's like, okay, I represent. And to his credit, I think the governor here does a pretty good job of that. ron de santis right i think he does a pretty good job i think he's one of the few politicians i'm sure some people like him some people don't whatever but it certainly comes across like he's actually trying to do right by the citizens of his of his state and he's actually you know

he'll take a lot of flack he'll take a lot of metaphorical bullets for you know people out there calling him oh he's letting people die that sense whatever and he's like look i'm trying to protect people's freedom and liberty we've done this uh rollout for you know the vaccines we've done this with the hospitals and we're going to allow our citizens to make choices we're not going to like try to bully them or force like that's anti-american we're not china we're not north korea we're not going to roll like that whereas a lot of other politicians are not doing that they're kind of again just going with the top down party line so i think this whole idea of not having the parties in the way that it currently is i mean maybe it's a pipe dream but um it's it's

certainly an interesting idea. I think you'd always want this. You want the incentives to be not perverse. You want the incentives to be lined up so people are rewarded and incentivized to do what's truly the right thing or to represent their constituents properly, not just to do what gets them more fame and power and Instagram followers. So for everyone who's watching live right now, if we get to 500 likes, we'll take questions from the audience let's do it i see lots and lots of questions coming in we're not taking any questions till we get to 500 likes so make sure you smash the like buttons smash it uh we have yesterday i tweeted two quotes the first was from albert einstein he

said blind belief in authority is the greatest enemy of truth albert einstein who so far has not been politicized i don't believe has uh been accused of anything that kind of cancels albert einstein he's a white man uh he's white yes he is was he straight uh depends who you ask probably those are some pretty big sins right there but he he said blind belief in authority is the greatest enemy of truth and then we've got a second quote from benjamin franklin he said it is the first responsibility of every citizen to question authority and i felt like these two quotes go hand in hand with each other so you got benjamin franklin albert einstein again i'm sure someone someone somewhere has issues with both of them uh because they're just historical figures but

blind belief in authority is the greatest enemy of truth and it is the first responsibility of every citizen to question authority yeah is it now taboo to question is it now out of bounds are you a uh an outcast of mainstream society if you question the mainstream narrative or question authority i don't know it's made me pretty popular so um no it's it's not but there is a perception there's a perception that it is and firstly those quotes are very much on point because rules should exist for a reason and if someone is in a position of authority they should always be able and willing to explain their decisions right uh this this goes with the, starts with the most fundamental leaders we have in our society,

which are parents, right? I'm not a parent yet, but I know growing up, if there were rules in the household or things I was told, and I asked my parents, like God bless them rather than them just sort of slapping me down and telling me not to, they'd explain why, right? Okay. Why is there, why is there this rule? And in fact, I do know something that I think planted a seed for me to maybe be the way I am is I went to boarding school when I was 11. So I was living in Saudi Arabia. I got sent to boarding school in the UK, um, from the age of 11. So from that age, I was flying by myself and, uh, you know, parents thousands and thousands of miles away from me and something, there were some pros of boarding school, but one thing I grew to really resent

about boarding school was there were just some stupid rules that made no sense. The rule existed simply because it was the rule like what first and last five minutes of every meal had to be in silence just control pure control yep the first and last last five minutes of every meal had to be in silence did you like sit down with like a timer and the headmaster would have a bell he'd stand up after five minutes and ring it and then you could talk to your friends yeah and then at the end because you know actually you can't digest your food unless you're silent that must have been science right and so like like that that's one example i mean there were a lot of that was pretty stupid right and if you asked why it was because because that's the rule it wasn't they could have

at least tried to explain even if the explanation didn't fully make sense but it was literally just we have power over you shut up you little kid um this is the problem with education in general and and usually i focus on the united states but i think uh globally is uh i invest in a business called synthesis and their entire thesis is we ask kids to go to school for eight nine hours and we literally tell them sit down don't move shut up and listen to us like that is the general premise of it we also put people in prison and say sit down shut up and listen to us for 23 out of 24 hours a day right uh and so i'm not going to go as far as to say school is prison for children but there's a lot of similarities yeah including i don't know if you've seen uh there is a website

where it says prison or school so it's like a quiz and they take pictures of the outside of the buildings and literally if you take it i promise you'll fail like there's no like it's impossible to tell the difference between the prison or the school uh and you know some of them just look like i call like eastern european uh kind of facades of buildings whatever so when you think about what actually leads to innovators problem solvers entrepreneurs all this stuff it's the exact opposite training right if school is training you for the real world uh And yes, you have to get some base level of knowledge, right? You have to know two plus two equals four.

That is still true. You have to understand that gravity works. You have to understand that supply and demand is a economic concept that everyone still buys into for now. But if you can't question authority, if you can't question the problem, if you can't be encouraged to try to solve a problem, and it's okay to fail actually failure is a good thing it should be celebrated to some degree you end up just being basically a production of a system that was meant to go work in a factory where there's a hierarchical structure and you're just told move a to b right and do it over and up so there was a purpose for this education system but i'm going to paraphrase the quote um and i

forget who says it but it's basically like learn to think because most people are too lazy to do it right of just like we go through life and you just kind of do what you're told to do you just kind of go through the motions but actually sitting in critically thinking is actually a pretty difficult task like it can be mentally taxing you have to stop like call time out on life and like do it and the third thing is like it might lead you to some uncomfortable places And so when you talk about the boarding school and let's compare it to like maybe a monastery type school or the synthesis program, they're like diabolically opposed to each other, right? Where they literally say, sit down, be quiet for five minutes before you start eating versus in like a Montessori environment to question everything. Yes. Like those two things do not jive with each other, but it feels like that's where the bifurcation in society goes is almost some people believe we should have a world where it's the equivalent of school just extrapolated out to reality. And then there's this other group of people who believe, no, that's not how we get progress. It's not how we can solve problems. It's not how we, you know, kind of continue to move forward. We need to question everything.

Yeah. Yeah. I'm big on look, because the thing is all good ideas, all good, all good ideas can be explained. Right. They can be explained. And there's also evidence that they are good ideas. So if someone challenges good, good ideas are not afraid of challenge and people who are actual experts and who are honest and who are confident in their abilities. I mean, if you go to a doctor and I don't know, you have a problem with your leg, you have a problem with your stomach, you have some issue. You can, if you have a decent doctor, you can ask them, there's no stupid questions, right? You can ask them as many questions. They say something, of course they are the authority. They are the expert. But if you had a doctor and you ask him something, you know, Oh, you know that he prescribes a medication. He's like, well, okay, well, what are the potential side effects of this? And he's like, just trust me. You'd be like, I'm not taking it. I'm not taking that. You'd be like, okay,

well, what's this? Can you tell me more about that? You're not going to maybe be able to fully understand it at his level, but a good, decent doctor will be willing to sit there as long as they can and answer all of your questions. This goes with everything. And if people are not willing to do that, then it's a big issue. Coming back to looping back on something else you said, actually, which was interesting when you were talking about critical thinking is it's also why free speech is so important because your capacity to think is limited if you're by yourself, right? Like us conversing right now, we're both, we're like doing this sort of verbal dance where we're both like strengthening our own ideas and getting new ones and having them challenged. And

we're able to think better right now than we are if we were just sitting in a room by ourselves thinking about the same topics because i'm like okay well let me let me float this idea out here and i get feedback and i'm like oh that sparks another thought and then we both leave being smarter and that's also why it's so important online and offline for people to have these conversations and i think that it should always be encouraged when you get this thing of oh uh i disagree with this person on x and so therefore i'm going to block them or i'm not going to speak to them or i'm going to cancel them or whatever it's like no have that conversation at the minimum even if you still disagree you'll at least have the empathy you'll at least be able

to understand why someone feels that way twitter also does this twitter is like an attrition of ideas uh and most people who are quote-unquote successful on twitter by being able to build a large audience um they have survived kind of the battlefield the intellectual battlefield if you will and uh it forces a clarity of thought it first it forces you to think critically about what you say before you say it uh anyone who's got a big audience will tell you they know like hey one time i tweeted something like it was stupid and i got attacked right so like there is this like feedback mechanism to it um and it also uh it forces you to learn to articulate ideas in a very unique way that uh goes back to whatever the uh the thought is like you know oh it would

have been shorter but i ran out of time we're on twitter like you only get 280 characters like you have to do it and so when you're talking about the uh the doctor um there's a book malcolm gladwell wrote, Outliers, and it reminded me of a section. So this is coming from Calvin Rossier, I think it's how you say it. He basically has notes online of this book, and it's around practical intelligence. And the notes that he took from that section was, he says, a big driver in different outcomes between the rich and poor is that rich receive training in practical intelligence. Practical intelligence is the soft and social skills that help you more easily navigate society, negotiation comfort questioning authority respecting your place in the work etc whereas

poor parents typically let their kids develop independently rich parents understand the importance of the practice intelligent skills and find ways to cultivate these skills in their children for example a rich parent may tell their child to ask questions at the doctor while which while seemingly trivial develop that child's comfort with questioning authority figures and gladwell calls this practice by the rich concerted cultivation which is a pretty two big words uh and it's a practice that gives rich kids a big advantage over poor kids now these are ideas malcolm gladwell wrote in a book etc but this idea that uh as a child is being raised the doctor is probably one of the biggest authority figures that they come in contact with right they wear

a uniform they have the white coat on they're told about their health etc and literally whether it's rich or poor or whatever the the kind of societal dynamic is questioning that authority or not as a young child there's probably a pretty big impact over over time in terms of your critical thinking skills etc and that seems stupid that seems like most parents would just say hey shut up listen to what the doctor says let's get out of here but there's a value to it there is and i think that's one of the it's like like that's one of the great things about kids as well until you children by default are, they do this by default, right? Like they ask questions. They're very, very curious, you know, to the point of it being annoying, right? What's the most annoying

question kids are like, why, why, why? Right. And, but that shouldn't be like threatened or beaten out of them. Right. I think it should be, I think it should, it should mostly be encouraged and entertained because again, if you have a rule or there's something out there, you should be able to explain it, right? If you have a rule in your household, okay, you can't do take something obvious, right? You, you, you can't hit your sister, right? You should be able to explain why, right? You should be able to explain why it's wrong to hit your sister, right? Would you like it if she hit you? No. Okay. So don't hurt people because you don't like it when you are hurt right it's pretty on a basic level you could even just explain it like that right um

but if you have rules where i remember growing up like there'd be weird rules i remember something like in some of my friends houses there were weird rules and it was like um you're allowed to drink in the you're allowed to drink in this room but you're not allowed to drink in that room right they both rooms have the same flooring they have like the same it's like why can't i drink water in this room. Like this was, this is a real rule. And I'm like, so even as a kid, I was like, this is stupid. It doesn't make sense. And I asked, I asked my friends, parents, why? And they just said, well, that's just the rule. It's our house. That's the rule. And I'm like, yeah, but you know, it doesn't, it doesn't make sense to me. And this is when I'm like seven years old or whatever.

I'm like, that doesn't make sense. And it's the same. I mean, what are the biggest rules? The biggest rules are laws, right? So every law that exists, you should, there should be a decent explanation as to why it why it exists in the uk you have still have some of these silly rules like you know you can't i think in london there's a there's a rule in london that you it's illegal to handle a salmon in suspicious circumstances like a fish yeah a salmon isn't it also i'm not sure what that means you can't talk in an elevator is that i don't think that's a law i know you're not it's you know it's illegal to be drunk inside a pub really yeah it's illegal to be drunk drunk inside a pub in england like it's not enforced but and then they have like all these weird rules

right yeah where i don't know on a thursday you can't do x it just these bizarre rules which don't make sense sorry in new york okay uh it is against the law in new york state to speak to anyone in an elevator that's why that's why nobody when you get the elevator nobody talks this is from 2017 so maybe they changed it but uh yeah literally illegal to talk to anyone in oh yeah yeah like i i just don't like i i don't have a problem with authority the authority just has to make sense. Right. I think some people think like, Oh, you know, like it's just an anti-authoritarian, like I'm anti-authoritarian, but I'm not anti-authority. It's just like the authority has to make sense. Right. It takes another thing that's absurd. That's been going

on in the past 18 months, all around the world. You're supposed to walk in a restaurant. You're supposed to wear a mask because you walk into a restaurant, but then sitting down, you can take it off it makes no sense when you sit down yeah so you ever seen the meme it uh it goes over your head yeah it's only if you're sitting it just i was i was in uh i was in portugal two months ago in porto and uh you know there was an indoor dining there's like 30 people sitting inside eating or whatever uh eating smoking drinking um i was eating outside i finished my meal and i'm going i'm going in to use the bathroom and i get stopped at the door and they want me i literally i literally laughed i pointed i literally just pointed at everyone and i was

just like just shrugged my shoulders and then the person at the door laughed and was like okay come here because they because they themselves are like yeah that makes no sense here's the crazy part about it is like i always uh i always say to myself um the person who stops you at the door and says it they didn't come up with that rule no in nine out of ten cases right they're not the owner of the business they're not the person who the guidance from the government or whatever they're just like hey man i don't want to get fired i know i know i'm gonna be the good soldier i'm gonna carry out the the orders and and you know can you please put a mask on and then when you're like hey you can like see them like kind of like get shocked at it like like oh yeah all right uh

just hurry up it doesn't they know they know it doesn't make sense so they're just like yeah i can't even i can't even come up with something here one of the concepts uh i really like is uh it's called five wise which is like a really bad name because it's so uh easy but um it comes from toyota i think is the one who really kind of pioneered this uh and it's an iterative interrogative uh technique used to explore the cause and effect relationship underlying a particular rule etc and so the example they have here is uh your vehicle won't start so the first thing why the battery is dead yes okay why is the battery dead the alternator is not functioning okay why is the alternator not functioning right the alternator belt has broken why did that happen

the alternator belt was well beyond its useful service life and not replaced okay why did that happen well you didn't maintain the service of the vehicle based on the periodic servicing you're supposed to do the vehicle so you could just say oh the battery is dead and that's kind of the the elementary you know band-aid it's just fixed battery or you can figure out like hey if i want to prevent this in the future the root cause is actually that i wasn't getting the vehicle serviced you know as i was supposed to and so if i start doing that then i won't get to this point and when you think about an easy example like you said of uh you can drink in one room but you can't drink in another if you were to sit there and ask your parents or your friend's parents

why yeah and they say because that's the rule and he said why right after like three times they'd like smack you right they'd be like shut up and the reason why i present it that way is there is an element of uh in order for rules to be uh effective and to be openly adhered to by the masses there has to be an expectation of intellectual rigor applied by the rule makers yes so if the rule makers are intellectually lazy they're going to create bad rules those rules then are easily identified by anyone with any sort of intellectual critical thinking that says that rule doesn't make sense and then you just get this weird thing where you then have to basically ask the person who has figured out the rule is stupid yeah please adhere to it just because it will

you know make society more cohesive whatever and uh jaywalking is also one of my favorite examples where it makes sense that they would create a rule where walk on the crosswalk so that people don't get hit by cars and die okay sure i would love to see in new york city people hit by cars how many of them are in the crosswalk versus not in the crosswalk i don't know what the data is but i'm assuming that there are plenty of people who get hit in the crosswalk as well but you can't enforce the rule and so you also get into this weird thing of you have to create good rules but then also you have to be able to enforce the rules in order to actually have the intended impact that you want right jaywalking is interesting because that's that's that's not

in the uk you guys don't have a jaywalk there's no jaywalking law interesting you can cross the street anywhere and there are crosswalks yeah there's crosswalks it's not illegal to cross anywhere else no you can't cross a motorway obviously but i don't think you'd want to try anyway um but no jaywalking is uh that's not a thing in europe europe in general i don't think has jaywalking as a law there is an element of uh some rules are created with the idea that uh the population is stupid yes yes and then there is an element of uh the highway is a great example there's nobody trying to cross the highway like you don't have to have a law that says don't run across the highway right that's illegal people are like uh i think i might die and sure there

is some like gray area of oh it's a busy street and so maybe people try it you only need two or three people to get hit and then everyone realizes like don't run across the street yeah right and And so it's almost like in some crazy way, humans are smarter than the rules. Yeah. I mean, it's something that's really important when it comes to laws specifically. And libertarians tend to think about it this way, but I think most people don't. Is that how are laws enforced? Right? Every law is ultimately forced, is ultimately backed by a threat of imprisonment slash violence. So before people go crazy on making laws, they should think, am I willing for agents of the state, primarily police, to use force and threats of force and violence to enforce this? And people don't think this way. And this is when you start getting, you know, when people start making tons and tons of stupid laws, which can lead to escalations, altercations, and even people getting killed. Oftentimes it starts with something that's very frivolous, right? Selling a loose cigarette, right? Because there's a law that you can't sell loose cigarettes in, I don't know, New York City. The police now are engaged and now there's an altercation and there's now a potentially lethal threat in the case of noncompliance. So I think people would agree. Are you OK with the police using force to stop a murder? Yes. Stop a thief. Yes. Stop a rapist. Yes. To stop someone walking across the street like in a place. No, no, no. Actually, I'm not OK with that. Smoking a little bit of weed. No, I'm not. I'm not into drugs myself.

but someone wants to smoke do i do it makes no someone someone smoking some weed in their apartment do i think the police should come kick down their door waving guns like no right it's it's if they got grass this is always my favorite if they literally went and picked up grass in new york city from central park okay and put it into a wrap and lit it on fire and smoked it they're allowed to do that interesting but if they go get a different plant it's illegal yeah and again there's science that would suggest there's difference between the grass and the weed and all this stuff and everything but it leads back into do people actually care and there's two there's two examples that come to mind uh there's a new documentary on netflix uh called cocaine

cowboys this guy uh billy corbin uh uh created and i think they've been working on this for actually a pretty long time billy corbin isn't he the guy from is he a musician or am i mixing mixing that's a great question i don't know maybe i'm mixing um but but he's uh i think the executive producer on this thing okay and it looks at the 80s into the 90s of these two guys uh willie falcone and uh the other guy's name is uh sal magluta i think it's how you say it and they're based in miami they bring in estimated 75 tons of cocaine wow a lot of money even back then right tens of millions if not hundreds of millions of dollars but they're non-violent they're not known for killing people screwing people over etc and it's actually from what the way it's presented

documentary it's family business so they employ their brother their sister their cousin their cousin's you know husband but all this stuff and they end up helping the local community to the tune of they're donating money they're paying for people to go to school they're they're doing all these things that like if the money wasn't coming from drugs yes you would say that's an upstanding citizen right the second it's oh they have drug money allegedly right immediately bad people right and the other example is if you ever watched american gangster with uh denzel washington i have yeah he uh during thanksgiving basically goes to the hood he opens up the 18 wheeler right and just starts handing out turkeys and he's like loved there is this element of uh

what society labels a bad person could do some good right so it's not just completely black and white but also going back to the cocaine cowboys documentary at one point it becomes clear that these two guys have been pulling off this scheme or this business and they have like a lot of police officers and public officials and they must and others on the payroll and so this is an enterprise but somehow nobody who you know wears a suit and tie and goes to a public office or as a police officer gets in trouble for this specific thing right some of them get in trouble for other things but you start looking and it's like the way that society categorizes oh you're an elected official good person good person who did bad thing drug dealer bad person who maybe you did one good

thing but you're a bad person i don't know if there's that big of a difference if they're both participating in the same scheme i think the government's a gang to begin with but that's a whole nother conversation go ahead explain it's simple everything that the government does take the most obvious one taxation what happens if you don't pay your taxes or you underpay them you go to jail or you're fined okay if a gang did that what would it be called extortion true okay right or even in prison it would be called kidnapping right so the government does everything that a criminal organization would do both domestically and internationally um that if it were not the government if it didn't have that label that

makes it legitimate it would be the mafia it would be like an obvious it would be it would be a I didn't want to talk about it, but we're going to talk about it. Ready? Assassinations. Well, let's just go to Afghanistan. Okay. Right? Because that's a timely topic right now.

The United States invaded Afghanistan in 2001. Majority of people, the social consensus, I think, would be that was a good reason to go and invade Afghanistan to try to take out the Taliban, which was led by an individual or a group of individuals that orchestrated an attack on america right in 9-11 wasn't that al-qaeda that did 9-11 or am i mixing things up so okay you're already starting to get into which group actually is the one who did it etc but the united states send soldiers originally uh if you've ever watched the movie 12 strong

uh which is literally we spent we sent specially trained kind of special operations soldiers uh they land in the mountains they team up with warlords in afghanistan that the united states has deemed you are going to be our friend as we go fight the other warlords right who are not our friend yes how they are selected who's good who's bad all up for debate all up for uh you know there's plenty of people who are much smarter than me much more educated than me on that stuff and we'll we'll analyze it in the u.s 20 years later almost to the day is pulling out now and over the last 20 years we've spent trillions there's been thousands of american lives that have been lost and we went from invade and topple the taliban to nation building

nation building it sounds like a great term a lot of nuance in there whose side it are you on who are you against all up for analysis and debate but as we leave there is a western world belief that we are taking away the order the law and order of this country the constant patrolling of American soldiers on the street to protect the citizens and do all this stuff. Afghanistan has made incredible progress from many different measurements in terms of women in the workforce, women educated, business creation, economic output. There's a whole bunch of metrics that you can look at both that involve social issues and also do not, that there has been progress made as we leave there's now stories where the taliban basically in a week has gone

from control in the mountains and kind of the places where the u.s had pushed them to today they have now as of an hour ago have taken the second third and fourth largest cities in the country back that would be the equivalent of taking back everything but like new york city basically right there are reports coming out that they're going into schools and telling women you are not allowed to go to school go back home and do not come back going into workplaces saying go home do not come back one of your male relatives can fill this position but you're not allowed to be here and there is this western world view that uh the taliban is going to come in kill everyone this is really bad the destabilization of the country etc there's a lot of truth to that right

As we know, the Taliban is not necessarily adhered to the Western values, et cetera. Sure. With that said, there's been plenty of reports over the last 20 years of citizens in the country who said, hey, we actually preferred when they were in charge because there was a power structure. There was rules. And sure, I don't like the rules, but I followed them. like there was the rules equivalent the mafia in new york in the 50s 60s 70s a lot of people just said hey those are the rules like they are the cops right they basically act like the government i pay a tax they protect me they have certain social rules whatever yeah

i want to be clear that i'm not claiming either one of those groups are good people right but what i am saying is that when there is a vacuum of power somebody will always step in Right. You saw this even in, I think it was Seattle during the lockdown. Yeah. What was that guy's name? Oh, the warlord. The rapper. Right. Like some guy all of a sudden just took a photo and he's the king of Seattle. Right. And it was like, holy shit. Right. Like there is no difference between that guy and somebody who does that in a foreign country when there's a power vacuum. And so it just starts to ask the question of like, what is the difference where is good and bad what is good or evil like like i don't i just don't think it's

as clear as people want to make it seem and the world is really really messy and there's lots of gray area it's complicated man well i mean some things are some things i think 99 of us would agree are are cut and dry um but then there's stuff that's complicated and there's also a difference between morality and legality, right? Just because something is illegal doesn't mean that it is immoral and vice versa, right? Sometimes, in fact, the immoral thing to do is to follow the law. If they created a law in some country saying you should go and beat up your neighbor, right? That's obviously immoral, right? It's legal. Even if they said, you know, it's it's illegal to not beat up your neighbor you like you are compelled to beat up your neighbor right

that would be immoral right this happened in nazi germany right there were it was illegal to hide a jew in your house it's morally the correct thing to do to protect someone from someone who is trying to execute them obviously that's the moral thing to do but they made that illegal so the boundary which also is why i i don't subscribe to the you know the government or the state is god kind of thing, right? Like that's the arbiter of what is right and wrong. You can think back, look, even in the USA, one of the greatest countries in the world, you guys have had some effed up laws back in the day. Obviously everyone, everyone agrees, right? You know, it was slavery, Jim Crow, segregation. It's like, everyone agrees. Like now in 2021,

everyone is like, that was obviously. Well, and those are just the race related. Oh gosh. Yeah. You just picked on one of many. Yeah. I took those. Cause those are the kind of the most obviously egregious things that you can look back on now and be like oh my gosh like holy crap like you're allowed to just own a human being and like beat them and kill like obviously that's immoral man um but this thing is something that went on for thousands and thousands of years and not just the usa right slavery was a global phenomenon which we can look back on now and say that's that's obviously wrong so it's certainly it's it's complex i think there's some stuff where it's like okay it's it's it's clear right and everyone agrees regardless of

your political position whatever religious position everyone's like okay like that's that's obviously wrong most obvious is murder okay you're just killing someone innocent no no provocate just just killing somebody right everyone agrees whatever like there's consensus on that one and you know people generally largely agree with i don't know things like theft which doesn't directly you know physically necessarily hurt someone but you're you know, depriving someone else of their property, you know, taking what doesn't belong to me like that, that's wrong, etc. And then there's stuff where it's like, and then you get also get to the area where something could be strongly immoral, even, or, you know, at least

maybe not, not as strong as that level, but something could be generally deemed more. Okay. I think most people, again, regardless of your political or religious orientation, most people would agree that if you are married, it's wrong to cheat on your spouse, right most people would agree should it be illegal i would actually say no right i don't think it should be illegal i don't think should be jailed for it i think it's strongly i think it's strongly strongly immoral but that doesn't necessarily mean it should be illegal right and and that's where things get sort of complicated and different countries different lawmakers etc will have different ideas on that i mean i grew up in the middle east i grew up in saudi arabia so the way

that things are structured there and the way the laws are, et cetera. There's a lot of stuff that is, that's different. Um, and that in itself, country to country, that shows that some people don't really like this notion of what do people call it? People call it, um, uh, cultural relativism when they, when they say that, Oh, you know, saying that something, but it's, and I, again, I, I can even understand that. I don't think that every, you know, something bad shouldn't always just be something, something that's wrong. Just, you can just be all, well, it's part of the culture, so it's okay. Right. I don't, I don't buy that line of argument either. But what I'm saying is that as we both acknowledge some stuff is, is, is gray and it is culturally influenced to

some degree and it's historically influenced to some degree. And I am certain that a century from now, there will be just like, we can look back at 1921 and we can point at things in society where we're like man that was messed up or that was wrong or you know like that wasn't right we can do that sometimes quite clearly i believe in another hundred years from now they'll be looking at us in 2021 like pointing at things and going like hey like what were those guys doing like that was that was wrong right they'll be canceling just like they're ripping down statues now of people the founding fathers because they own slaves or whatever whatever it was at the time there's gonna if there's statues of people who are considered heroes now i guarantee you 100

years from now people there will be the progressives of 20 i don't know where would that even be 21 21 will be wanting to rip down statues of this person or that person they want to change this school name or change that road name or whatever why we will see right we can we can kind of speculate on what we could be doing right now that is looked back on with such you and i may get canceled 100 years from now for having this conversation who knows who knows um it's it's entirely possible here's something that's really interesting is that we're actually living in the first time period where everything we do from now on assuming there's not some huge cataclysmic crazy situation everything is now fully documented can you imagine being like a 15 16 year old kid

right now yeah and every dumb thing you say do whatever is documented and put on the internet And think about it, man. A lot, a lot of children are on social media prior to them being born. Right. People post like baby scans of photos. Hey, we're expecting here's a, you know, 20 week scan. Everything has got like, you can see that individual before they're even born. Like you're on, you were on Facebook before your zero width birthday. Right. That's, that's wild. so like someone who grows up from now it's like dude you can literally track your entire life from then i mean our knowledge of history is it's a little bit fuzzy i mean how long is how when was how long was has video been around for 100 ish years something like right but obviously it wasn't not a lot of stuff was captured on video and photography back in the day you go back a certain time you know even if you're just looking at like 1800s or earlier it's generally like you we just know what some people look like based off paintings

right like there's there's like one painting of this guy this is what we think Genghis Khan looked like right like one painting or whatever or this king equivalent of the FBI uh you know hey here's what this criminal may look like 50 years later right same thing is like we think George Washington looked like so we have no idea that's why I got like we don't all these historical figures we don't actually even know what they look like but from now on not only will you be able to see them be able to watch them on video you'll be able to watch them on you know see their videos listen to their podcasts like our our our future our great great great great great great great great great grandchildren will be able to go back and be like oh wow look that's my great

great great great great great granddad and like hey he was a rapper and he had a podcast look at this selfie he took that you know doing something crazy because there's another thing that's interesting is those photos always present them in their best light right always presents them with uh the best clothes always standing in a very you know powerful position or whatever uh even to the point if you ever go back and look at like the declaration of independence every single person has perfect posture every person in every painting is literally looking like they are you know about to run for president right whatever it's like i'm pretty sure it took a little while yeah somebody just put their feet up on the table right like somebody was like

like this is like we gotta chill like i'm tired right do you know what else is funny from that what is when you think back of like people in history i maybe maybe i i don't know if everyone else does this but i always imagine them being like really serious always right because there's no pictures or whatever of people like having fun and being normal and laughing and joking it's all like even the family photos it's like everyone right like the mother that shows everyone's soup like because people didn't even used to smile in photos yeah right everyone's just mad serious so i'm like geez man like life it seems like people didn't suck yeah so it seems like people didn't used to have fun right and i'm like oh no i'm sure like of course they had fun like they had

celebrations they partied they told jokes whatever but what you see is just like this super stoic super serious thing all the time so and then of course with stuff being in black and white even It's like, it's like lax color and everything's just, it's weird. I always liked the colorized foot. Like they take the old photos and they colorize them now. And, uh, you do feel different when you look at the black and white versus the color, obviously. Um, how do you think about yourself? You're, you're like a very confusing person, I think, to the mainstream, right?

You're a black man who was born in the UK, grew up in Saudi Arabia, went to boarding school back in the UK. you had what most people would consider a great job you quit to pursue a rap career but now you have this like intellectual dark web aspect on twitter and elsewhere and you have essentially broken the mold when it comes to work the freedom to speak your mind and the things that you do from an enjoyment perspective and i think that for like the mainstream they could never put you in a box yeah there's great power i think that comes with that are there downsides as well it's a good question i think the yeah there are certainly downsides

um i think the upsides massively massively outweigh the downsides um and the thing is I do what I love and my North star is wanting to have a positive impact on millions and millions of people through my words and actions. That's the through line through everything I do from podcasts to interviews, to my music, to my book, to public speaking. I want to positively impact and influence people. When I die, I want millions of people around the world to be like, man, like that guy made my life better in some way, shape or form so for me personally that's what i feel like i'm here on earth to do uh which to some people may sound kind of like oh that sounds a bit like egotistic or arrogant or like i don't

care like that's what i'm doing i'm already doing it um and i'm going to do a lot more of it over the next coming decades and in terms of the in terms of the downsides it's like it can be a lot i mean as you know you have a you have a very large following there's millions of people who know who you are the majority of people i'm sure who know who you are like you and you know like you and respect you, et cetera. And there's going to be some people who are critics or who are haters or who misunderstand intentionally or unintentionally, et cetera. And that can always be frustrating. Like it's not, you grow, you grow a thick skin and you have to, but it's never nice to see someone telling lies about you or just like cussing you out for no real reason. It's not,

it's not pleasant, but the love so much outweighs it that it's like, who cares? You know, it's, if it's, it's 20 to one, right. For every 20 lovely messages or DMS or comments or whatever I get, I get one, which is like, and of course as human beings, we're, we're, we're more sensitive to negative emotions than we are to positive. So the one you remember, right. All those, you know, 20 people, Hey, pump, I love you. I love your show. I love what you're doing. You help me do this. You help me do that. And then that one where someone just like, you know, that's the one you remember just because it's how we're wired. So I think it's important to just acknowledge that and then focus on the positive. Because if you focus on the negative, not only is it bad for

you mentally, but it also interrupts what you're doing. It gets in the way of your hustle. And so many people don't do what they want to do. Coming back full circle to what we were saying before, the biggest human fear more than death, I believe, is social disapproval. So why don't people, You get people, Oh, I want to do YouTube. I'm afraid of putting out, I'm afraid to do, I want to do YouTube, but like, I'm afraid I want to start a podcast, but I'm not so sure. I want to, um, I want to write a book. It's people, people are afraid of social judgment. They're, they're, they're not afraid of making a YouTube video. They're afraid they'll make a YouTube video and either no one will watch it. Or if people do, they're going to tell you, Hey,

your video sucks, right? They want to make music, but they're afraid of that person going, man, your music sucks. Stick to your day job, whatever. And people have to be able to get over that hump. if I can give people any encouragement, it's like, look, that's going to happen. It's inevitable. But if you let that stop you, you're literally letting those people win, right? You're, you're, you're letting them win. If you're like, Oh, you know what? I'm going to stop tweeting because like a bunch of haters told me that I should stop. So, you know, I'm going to stop rapping because someone told me my song sucks. It's like, I don't, you know, that's fine. Well, a hundred people told me they loved it. A thousand people told me they loved it.

So just keep, just keep going, keep doing your thing and you'll naturally attract the right people. There's not a single person in this world, in any genre who everybody likes. And it's rare for even most people to like something. The most, who's, who do you think is the most liked musician in the world? Would you say the most liked? Yeah, I would have to, it's definitely a pop star uh and if you had to measure it you'd have to separate out uh english speaking or not because my guess is actually there's probably somebody from like a latin like ricky martin or you know somebody like that who has kind of global appeal in a different way but right now or even historically yeah i mean right now michael jackson does everybody like michael jackson

yeah but how many people yeah no i'm saying billions of people love michael jackson's music probably hundreds of millions at least yeah but millions of people don't yeah right like dolly parton's probably up there yeah yeah i mean right now but you you got to ask yourself uh the people like drake or kanye if they both drop their album on the same day who who's top of the charts but yeah but my my point is for all those fans and for all that love there are still millions of people who don't like drake's music or don't feel like they like him himself there's millions of people who don't like who think kanye west sucks right so imagine if kanye was like paid attention just to that and was oh you know what like sexy boy 69 69 on youtube said that my album sucks so i'm

done i'm done i'm packing it in right it's it's over oh man my video got 4 000 dislikes you know ignore that it got 400 000 likes oh man 4 000 people didn't like it like and they didn't like it so much that they wanted to express it you read the comments uh sometimes sometimes well do you have a uh a framework that you use in terms of when you read or when you don't or when you're reading how you deal with the positive and negative i think it was rogan actually said he's like reading the comments uh is bad for you regardless if it's good or bad yeah right you buy the bullshit or uh or you uh you know succumb to the the haters as well yeah like how do you think about when you read that's a good question i i normally read it i think things get to

a stage where, I mean, like with Joe Rogan, I mean, on it's, it would be literally be impossible for him to read all the comments. Um, when you're at the stage, when you can, then I still will read the majority. I won't necessarily react to everything. And I think it's also important to be able to differentiate between hate and criticism, right? Because most people don't like criticism in general, right? Like criticisms, even if it, even if it's valid, in fact, if it's valid it's probably stings a little bit more especially if it's coming from people who you care about but there's a difference between criticism and hate and that's also important for people to know some people call everything hate and i'm like no that's not hate that's just

it's it's a valid criticism you need the critics but also at the same time there's a fine line between critics and hate yeah i think look criticism is something you can do so the way i differentiate is you can do something with it i think there's there's a differentiation in the intentionality right i think hate is intentionally designed to harm you whereas criticism comes from a place you suck versus that song you could have added a stronger beat to it yeah i didn't really like the beat on this song but the lyrics were dope right valid again whether i agree or not whatever but i can't oh that's a hater it's like no that's not a hater that's just someone you know they like oh they love that song they like the beat on that song and and it's fine um so i think

like criticism it's it's the intentionality and it's also can you potentially do something with it right i might find that okay like people are generally saying that uh oh my the the vote the maybe even in the mix of a song oh you know they're saying the vocals are too low like a dozen people said that oh i couldn't really hear what you were saying like the beat was too loud it's like okay that's not hate that's like okay good feedback good good like i can do something with that they'll listen to the podcast say oh you know like i can only hear it in the left the left ear like there was a problem with the sound it's like oh good to know okay cool like i can build on that if it's just oh you're an idiot maybe maybe okay but i i disagree

but um you know i can't do anything with it i always categorize uh the haters as future fans that don't know it yet i was just like you're a hater today but like i'll wear you down yeah right and like if you keep watching if you keep listening then like i'm just gonna eventually indoctrinate you to become a fan yeah and uh when you do that it's just like oh like it's on them like they just haven't consumed enough content yet they'll get there yeah or sometimes it's denial right oftentimes a hater is a fan in denial especially if it's a dedicated hater if it's one of those ones who like follows you on multiple platforms and they're subscribed to your youtube channel and like i'm like man there's something you find compelling about me like clearly

because if you genuinely dislike something you it's it's not hate you respond with it's actually apathy you just don't you just don't care like you don't watch it you don't listen whatever right you're not like there's more music in the world that you don't like than there is music that you like of course but you don't go around listening to all of the going on all their youtube videos and disliking them and writing your song sucks you suck your songs like no sane person does that what you do is you just gravitate towards the stuff that you do like but for you to do the former it would be like man there has to be something you're finding compelling about what this person is putting out there if you're going and commenting on multiple videos and you're like

following you're still following you know it's like you're a confused fan yeah it's just uh whenever i get any hateful messages and i get everything from like you suck to uh you're wrong just like okay yeah to like go kill yourself right i mean like like the whole game and i'm sure you do as well and uh sometimes i just respond with hey sounds like you're having a bad day let me know if i can do anything like feel free to like reach out if you need help and people get quiet the other thing that shuts people up real fast is thanks for the engagement because that one is like oh shit like by me basically saying negative things i'm actually propelling this piece of content in the algorithm and people also get real gun shy right because

it's like i could say something but to some degree i'm actually helping this person so like maybe i won't say anything and it's always like one of those like judo moves where they're just like all right fine with actual hate it's always a reflection on the hater rather than the target yeah always it's like look no no happy successful content person spends hours online or in the real world just hating on other people it's it's not it's not a thing if you're doing that there's something going on in your own life in your own mentality etc that is causing you to behave that way and oftentimes you just happen to be the target of the day you just you just happen to pop up on their feet at the right this pump guy and his freaking grin and his thumbs up

is just pissing me off and like you know you know that's why i do it right you know that's why i do like i just you just you can never let them see you sweat look man i got a great i got a great life i literally got nothing to complain about in life you want to take a picture with me no problem right i got all is good on uh on my side and uh and it pisses people off by the way i know like there are people who are literally like dude this guy and you're like but that's the thing it's it's sorry that me smiling makes you mad yeah you smiling makes me happy i'm like dope i love that i love the pump is living his life and he's there with his wife and they're doing this and they're like oh i'm like awesome can you imagine if i took photos with her like

george washington you took photos like people like damn he really got a hard life at home you know the funniest thing i find in in old less photos but in the paintings in old paintings when they draw babies and you know they just make the babies look like little adults like the babies never look like babies they just like take the adult face and it's all serious and then they stick it on his body got a big ass like uh like line across their forehead got a full head of hair combed over perfectly teeth all right there on a one month old ready to rock i find that so funny in old paintings i'm just like why are the babies looking like that like i just not look like a child all right we got 10 more minutes and ask people for questions

they got all kinds of stuff in here uh a bunch of people are commenting about kanye uh and not necessarily direct questions but what's your general take on i love that him album not dropping yet and then selling out the uh the stadium twice for a listening uh show which is incredible yeah well honestly i haven't paid much attention to that stuff when it comes to music i tend to not focus much or pay much attention to the antics around it i kind of will wait like when the album drops i will listen to the album yep but like i'm not really following all the ins and outs and drama and soap opera stuff surrounding the release i'm just there like okay like i'm just gonna wait let me know when it's out yeah when it drops i'll check it out um kanye though

like i i've i've been a kanye fan since like early like when he dropped his before college dropout what was the get well mixtape that he put out when he did through the wire etc back in the end he was producing for like beanie seagull jay-z etc like kanye both as a producer and as an artist and as a human being i just think is is dope and i think he's i think he's authentic and he always has been he's willing to go against the grain and he's done this from the beginning you have to remember that when when uh kanye came out that was like in the 50 cent g unit era like that oh yeah yeah that was like dude the dropout was not what he's doing now no no like he came out you know when we used to wear his backpack and his like polo shirts and this is when hip-hop was like

now hip-hop is some of it's a little fruity but like it was like super ultra masculine and aggressive and whatever it's like dmx and like you know the rough riders and g unit and whatever and then kanye just came out and he was rapping about you know i'm so self-conscious and jesus walks and uh you know who he reminds me of is uh chance the rapper today how chance the rapper kind of does something a little bit different than the mainstream uh he really he really just had a different approach yeah and i think do you know something with with kanye as well that's important he's not like it's not like he's the first rapper to do this but i think the fact that he uses his real name is actually quite important right and hip-hop if you think back to pre-kanye

most rappers always had a persona it was always a persona or puff daddy yeah like but it but it was it was all personas kanye was like one of the first big artists who went again not not the only one but who went by his real name and i think that that actually matters i think it actually makes a difference i think even as a creator as an artist i'm putting i put my music out under zuby like i am zuby through and through like in my music in a podcast and whatever this is zuby it's not like oh i step in the stage and i'm suddenly like lil z or like i don't know what was that the other i don't even know i don't even know i have no idea what my rap name would be if i if i weren't actually named zuby i've thought about i don't know like young did you ever think

about getting a different name no i was just my name is already zuby it's unique yeah i'll just be zuby um but i think it makes you more real like it lends when you're creating z would have been all time because like do you go little z or do you put z e e like what do you know you got some decisions to make no there was a young z young z is a rapper um the young thing's a problem though because like you're not always like you'll you get older right um but yeah like it will always be short though yeah so i think i think what kanye did is you know he bucked the trend he bucked the trend on a lot of stuff there's a lot that he that he's done that people actually forget because people have short-term memories i mean i remember when um he made like quite a strong

statement against the level of homophobia in hip-hop right this is back when rappers were just throwing around the f-word willy-nilly and you know just all these gay slurs whatever and kanye was like you know what like that's not cool like why are we why are we doing that and he got a quite a lot of backlash for that like it was a very it this is because this is back in like 2003 or four or whatever right this is before like now it's trendy and popular to it's june like let's rainbow everything up right but that wasn't like a popular stance to take at the time particularly in hip-hop and actually it made a difference it made a difference like people after the time we're like yeah reflected a little and yeah maybe like maybe we shouldn't just you

know throw that word around so much right and people kind of forget that stuff even a lot of people who will attack like they forget he did this he did that remember when he did the george bush doesn't care about black people thing and like putting the song right he just yeah but he was on tv and he just said it like after hurricane katrina and jesus and people are like yo like he just like whether or not and you know and george bush like was like you know he went on the defensive he was like no like i do but it made him sort of wake up it was like well this hurricane just sort of swept through you know new orleans etc and the the response has not has been very lackluster but stuff like that it he just puts that out there that's what he thought it's what

he felt people can agree disagree whatever it's authentic you know and now with him even his conversion to christianity and being like you know what like i'm i'm a christian and this is what i believe and this is what i stand for and you know i'm not really i'm gonna stop performing some of my old songs because i don't actually like what they represent and now that i'm a he's a father what four children right and he's like yeah you know like i don't i wouldn't want my kids listening to that or whatever so that's just real man because it's it's hard to do that especially if it would have an impact on your your finances social standing your cool factor whatever you know and he just doesn't care about that like connie's just cool and i think he's cool because of that

he's the only christian who can be rapping about jesus while wearing a bulletproof vest all right next question bitcoin what are your thoughts about bitcoin's future i think this is man i'm uh i'm hyper you got the shirt on i got the shirt on i had to ref it i had to ref it i knew which podcast i was coming on um man i'm i'm hyper bullish on bitcoin like in as a long-term asset i think um i think bitcoin's gonna do for money what the internet has done for information what social media has done for communication um in the short term i i look at bitcoin as a longer term in investment i don't look at it as just uh i'm not a trader i'm not there like every single day trying to time the markets and catch the dips and you know sell the tops etc um but i think

every day it becomes more obvious to me why it's such a good idea yeah right the more that governments debase their currencies the more that they do this all the nonsense restrictions and infringements on rights and liberties that they've been doing the more um you know every time they pass these multi-trillion dollar bills every time that and this is on a global level as well right like not just the u.s if you see what's going on around the world i mean some currencies i was in i was in turkey before coming to the u.s like i mean the turkish lira got got battered and And if you imagine, one thing I find interesting with Bitcoin is the way that it's viewed as such a high risk investment or such a high risk play. And most people don't understand

how risky it is to just like have all your money in cash, right? Some people think the safest thing you can do is just have all your money in cash and put it in the bank. Don't buy stocks, don't buy land, don't buy gold, don't buy Bitcoin, just keep your money. And I'm like, that is guaranteed to drop guaranteed a decade from now 100 guarantee if you keep your your hundred thousand dollars in a bank a million dollars in the bank it's gonna lose a lot of its value um now on a on a day-to-day level a month-to-month level you know bitcoin goes up and down it was like well twenty thousand sixty thousand forty thousand like but if you look at it over a period of years i know it's still relatively young compared to most asset classes but i think it's to me it's virtually barring

some i don't know what could happen but i think it's virtually guaranteed a decade from now like bitcoin is going to be worth like five years from now is going to be worth considerably more than it is today and i think from uh it's interesting from a technological standpoint a sociopolitical standpoint, economic, everything, it all, it just makes sense to me. And the fact that it's so global, we live in such a global world now, and the internet has really done that and broken all these barriers, et cetera. And the currency should do the same thing, right? It shouldn't be incredibly difficult or extraordinarily expensive to send money from here to australia or here to nigeria or whatever it is and i think that the younger generation

people who you know people are aging younger who are coming up in the world i think the a lot of people compare bitcoin to gold and say you know bitcoin is digital gold i think that it's much easier to sell the concept of bitcoin to a 10 year old than gold right i mean my my nieces and nephews know what bitcoin is because they see me wearing the t-shirts and stuff and they're like Zuby, Uncle Zuby, what's Bitcoin? And I've explained it to them. And they're like, cool, can you buy me some? And I'm like, actually, I will.

Actually, yes, I will. And we'll see if we're correct here. So I think Bitcoin's a big disruptor in a good way to the traditional legacy old system of everything. I mean, to be honest, the old, old system was better than what we have today, right? Of course. Yeah.

Today's the 50-year anniversary of Nixon taking us off. Yeah. Temporarily. We're going back. Don't worry. Yeah, yeah. OK, OK. And then even if you think about it on a deeper level with,

I mean, how are all these wars and stuff, how are they all funded, all of this nonsense that goes on? It's just because you can just make all this magic money. So I think that people en masse owning Bitcoin is a peaceful, nonviolent protest and a vote to say, hey, actually, this is how we want to, this is moving towards how we want to operate. I don't think I could have said it better. I think you nailed it. yeah the the last thing uh i want to bring up is uh alexander ahman i think is how you say it uh just said world of zuby is fire oh thank you so give us uh give us kind of a quick overview of uh uh world of zuby and where people can go listen oh sure so yeah my new album uh just came

out worldwide on friday so it's called uh word of zuby it is available on itunes spotify apple music, Tidal, Deezer, wherever you get your music. If you want to get a physical copy, I've got CDs available and you can also pre-order limited edition 12-inch purple vinyl from my website teamzoobie.com. So it ships out worldwide. The vinyl is going to ship in Q4, but CDs are available now. So go to teamzoobie.com or go on your favorite digital platform, search Zoobie, Z-O-B-I, and you will find me. I've been dropping your website in the comments as we're going and I just put it in there again um colton who uh who works with us on a bunch of uh employment uh business wants to know if zuby or kanye was going to drop first but you dropped first on uh on

friday so you beat kanye he's like a gazillion weeks late he uh he may never drop the album i think that might be the strategy here i don't know kanye is a an unpredictable one teamzoobie.com uh i don't think i've ever seen you in person without wearing the team zoobie hat but i do want to call out and i'll let you plug one other thing which is the okay dude oh yeah explain real quick what happened with the okay dude okay i think this is like this is like the uh quintessential thing that i can point to but you want to know what zoobie's like here here's your thing okay dude so i got um so i got suspended temporarily on twitter for literally writing okay dude in response to someone so the full story is uh i'd written a list of five

five ways uh five tips for girls on how to land a great guy and the list went viral um and a lot of people liked it a lot of people didn't like it and uh someone it was a verified account responded back something like uh this is terrible advice and i bet i sleep with way more women than you and i literally just quote tweeted and said okay dude and that was it a week later i'm just going about my normal business a week later i'm on a train back from london and i get an email from twitter saying that your account you've been locked out of your account and it said um hateful conduct in the thing it said you know you may not you may not attack people based on their race ethnicity sexuality gender identity religion etc i'm like i'm pretty sure i don't do that and then

was like this is this was the offending tweet and i look at it it says okay dude and i'm like wait what so i i initially i thought was this like a fake email or something yeah yeah so i go on twitter and i'm i'm i don't know if you've ever been locked out of twitter i get a notification just telling me i'm locked out of my account um and to get it access again like i'll have to delete it and then i'll be reinstated in like 24 48 hours so i'm like no they've made a mistake here so i made an appeal uh i get an email back the next day saying we've manually reviewed this and we can confirm that your tweet in fact did break our hateful conduct policy. So if you want to gain access to your account again, you have to delete the offending tweet. And so, you

know, I wanted access to my hundreds of thousands of followers, so I deleted it. But then I made a t-shirt. There was a t-shirt printer near where I lived. I just made a t-shirt that just said, okay, dude. And the first tweet I put back up, by the way, free hashtag free Zuby and hashtag OK Dude started trending during my time off Twitter. And then I came back and I just posted a video of me dancing, wearing this T-shirt saying OK Dude on it. And everyone was like, I want that T-shirt. I want that T-shirt. So I started just taking orders from them and ended up selling like hundreds and hundreds of OK Dude T-shirts and hats. And so it became a thing. And then I made a song called OK Dude with a music video. It's actually one of my

most popular songs now um so i just took it and turned about what could have been a bad situation dude don't get us canceled off youtube we can't say okay dude that's you know how blasphemous that is you're really pushing the edge of societal uh acceptance here of a hundred thousand tweets i've put out there that was the one that was the one they were like nope that crosses the line that was the one okay dude they've never told me which of those two words and maybe it was the ellipsis at the end like the dot dot dot i i don't know it is uh weird times we were living in i think is how we can sum it up uh you go to austin next yeah i'm off to austin this evening all right and you're gonna be there for about a week or so yeah i'll be there for just over a week then i'm going

to dallas fort worth maine nyc dc maui la atlanta nashville and raleigh and maybe some other spots go follow zuby at zuby music on twitter i think that you'll tweet out when you're going to do meetups and stuff on this yeah yeah i'm gonna try country tour yeah i'll definitely do a meetup in austin i know i got a ton of fans in austin um i'll do i'm gonna try to do meetups in every city as long as I get the time to do it. All right. I appreciate everyone watching. Hopefully we didn't offend you

with all of our very scary independent thinking. Zuby is a very dangerous person. He thinks too much for himself. We must protect him at all costs, but at the same time, be very, very careful because he could hurt your brain. Make sure you smash the like button.

I'm not doing any more of these on Sunday. We will be back to regular programming starting tomorrow at 11 a.m. Kevin O'Leary is coming on, and that should be interesting because Kevin was a crypto hater. Now he's a crypto enthusiast. Love it. And, you know, he's a shark. So we'll see.

Any last words for everybody? That's it, man. I appreciate you, brother. Of course, Zuby Music on Twitter or TeamZuby.com. go listen go buy okay dude people are now responding to everything as okay dude of course somehow that is going to now like permeate over if we're gonna uh use that uh is it your birthday um on thursday oh all right somebody said happy birthday zoobie so thank you happy birthday yeah wow we're ahead of the curve amazing first time ever we're usually we're late for everything as

you saw with a live stream coming on 15 minutes late uh that was my fault uh literally we were watching stupid videos on YouTube. All right, man. Thanks so much for doing this. I appreciate it, bro.