The Pomp Podcast - #809 Congressman Wants To Be Paid In Bitcoin w/ Rep. Tom Emmer

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Starting point is 00:03:54 Representative Emmer, how are you? I'm doing great, Pomp. I'm doing great. It's only 10 to 14 degrees here in Minnesota. All the mosquitoes are dead. All's good. Listen, it's it's Miami. Now, I know that you've got your constituents over there, but if you ever want to come get a little bit of sun and some some nice warm weather, we'll we'll gladly host you here. So you may like this. You're just you just had the freeze. Fifty five degrees and people were sitting inside. They were worried. All right. Let's start with you're a politician inside of the United States. again, most people would think that every politician is stupid. They don't understand innovative technology. They're so out of touch with everyday Americans, yada, yada, yada,

Starting point is 00:04:37 whatever. You seem to be the exact opposite and really understand some of the stuff that's going on with Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies and digital assets. Why are you so focused on this area? What is the importance of it for kind of the American future? Like what's drawing you to this industry? Well, a lot of it, Bob. First, thanks for having me. But the, you know, I did a state a state legislature more than a decade ago and got involved in different policy stuff then i had the good fortune to run into a a guy that i did a radio show with about a little bit less than a decade ago who used to tell me that he was a libertarian and by the end of the show i'd be telling him he's an anarchist but he got me to look at things a little bit

Starting point is 00:05:19 differently and since i've been in congress you know our monetary policy i think here in the United States and around the globe has been managed less than well, let's put it that way, since probably the early 70s when we pulled it off the gold standard. So it first comes from that interest, right, in how we've managed our monetary policy, how I believe once we pulled the U.S. dollar off the gold standard, that we went from a country, a nation, a monetary policy that celebrates and promotes the creation of wealth to one that promotes the creation of debt. And by the way, the only ones who can trade in debt are those that get bigger and bigger. So you either get devoured by those above you, or you fall to the bottom. Then along comes Bitcoin,

Starting point is 00:06:08 the Satoshi white paper. And it's to me, the interest goes well beyond policy, because I I think now it's as much economic growth as anything else. And I just, I think the United States of America needs to recognize, and people in my position need to recognize that much like the internet, you need to get out of the way, if anything, a light touch regulatory framework is appropriate, and then let the innovators in this space do what they do best, start creating and growing new opportunities, and frankly, bring the the United States and the rest of the world into the 21st century. Yeah, I completely agree that there's a rule, there's a room or a spot for regulation and rules, but obviously in kind of

Starting point is 00:06:56 an intelligent, well-educated and well-meaning place. Talk to me a little bit about Fed policy. You mentioned a little bit that it's been less than well. One of the questions that I've been thinking a lot about, and I actually don't have an answer here, so I'd love your opinion, is for a central bank to be effective, they essentially need to be independent and somewhat predictable, right? We don't want one that kind of is all over the place from month to month or quarter to quarter.

Starting point is 00:07:23 The idea of independence though, I think is very unique. If you look at something like a Bitcoin type network, it is a decentralized digital transparent system with programmatic monetary policy. You and I can't change it and neither can anyone else in the world unilaterally. And so there is this element of independence that comes from decentralization. The central bank that we have today in the United States, there's a lot of people who think that they've done some great things, some things not so well.

Starting point is 00:07:51 How independent are they? And the reason why I've been thinking about this is we're going into the elections and how much of monetary policy decisions today are being driven by trying to get certain economic data points kind of under control before midterm elections versus doing what's actually good for the economy. And you, you know, you sit inside the machine. Like, what do you see from an independence of the central bank and how they really kind of interact or intersect with the political kind of cycle? Yeah, people talk about independence, but it's a political machine like everything within government. And frankly, Pop, it's nothing more than another intermediary, right? The beauty of the decentralization movement, the blockchain technology, is that you don't need intermediaries. You know, this cryptocurrency, I believe, is facilitating our move, the evolution from Web2, which is all about having intermediaries, whether it's YouTube, whether it's Twitter, whether it's Facebook, moving us into Web3, which is where Pomp and Tom will have our own digital identities, where you and I could do business with each other without an intermediary. And quite frankly, this scares the bejesus out of these people because this system has worked for them. I mean, there's a lot of us on the outside that have watched our monetary policy.

Starting point is 00:09:09 We can point to things that they've done that has been appropriate. We can point to things that the Fed has done to stabilize the economy, I'm sure. But listen, when you're in the business of bailing out Wall Street, which, again, a lot of Americans, a lot of people make money through their investment portfolios, but it's got to be about a strong monetary policy that builds wealth. And quite frankly, I think what you're looking at right now, and this might be way out there, but I think the Keynesians have now morphed into the modern monetary theorists of the 21st century. These are people who live in Alice in Wonderland's financial fairy tale world that they have this idea, Pomp, that a government that controls its own fiat currency can print and spend as much as it wants with never having any negative consequences. And on the other side of that equation, you have the end of Fed people, the gold standard people, those that were Ron Paulites back in the day that have talked about the problem with the manipulation of our currency and it picks winners and losers.

Starting point is 00:10:20 And I think that's what this is really all about. It's a debate that's been taking place for quite some time. And I think we've reached a point, and I might be stepping over the line a little bit, but I think we've reached the point where the Fed has become less and less effective. I think people look at them and say, who are you exactly working for when you say your target inflation rate is 2%, which, by the way, they're making up for years of lost ground in the last 12 months. But think about it. The Fed has a target inflation rate. Every American who has saved and been disciplined and diligent for their retirement is paying a 2% tax that the Fed has determined. These are things I think that have turned people

Starting point is 00:11:07 onto other avenues of investment and growth. And I think that mismanagement or intentional mismanagement has frankly driven cryptocurrency and other options in the financial world, these disruptive technologies. One of the things that cracked me up during the pandemic, especially kind of March to May of 2020 was it seems like a lot of the quote unquote capitalists on wall street became socialists very quickly and all came begging to the government for bailouts, free money, et cetera. And to your point, I think there were some deals done where, you know, take the airline industry as, as one they essentially asked for a deal that no one in the private capital markets would have given them. There was no equity or debt investor on

Starting point is 00:11:53 the planet that would have given them a 25 plus billion dollars and said, by the way, a third of it. You just keep for free. We don't need anything for it. And so it's pretty crazy to watch. But we are here. Can't change the past and only can go forward. Talk to me about the United States getting into the cryptocurrency game via the central bank digital currencies. I know that the CBDC is obviously around the world. People are investigating them. They're researching them. Some people have started to create them, pilot them, et cetera. And they've got a bunch of thoughts here. What do you think the United States's role on CBDC should be? And kind of how do you think that we should play this out? Get out of the way. I just, it really has been

Starting point is 00:12:33 disturbing to me to watch some of the leaders in our financial services sector suggest that we've got to try and play catch up and keep up with the communist party of China. They're practicing, in my opinion, digital authoritarianism, right? They look at this space as another tool to collect information on citizens and then control their behavior. That's not what the United States of America is all about. I think that's not to say that we shouldn't have some type of digital currency. I just think it would be better off done in the private sector in this country. That being said, if we were to go down this road, I definitely have some thoughts. The main one is if the federal government ever created some type of central bank digital

Starting point is 00:13:27 currency, it must be open, permissionless, and private. In other words, it has to be just like cash. Whether they can do it or not, I have no idea. But I do throw something back at you, Pop. It's interesting to me that the Federal Reserve is the one that's taking the lead on this. When I thought it was the treasury, the way things are set up in this country that mints and prints our currency, it would seem to me that that's really where this should start. And again, I think there are a bunch of options out in the private sector that would put us way ahead of our peers in this space and frankly would keep a lot of the innovation, a lot of the business growth in this industry right here in the United States of America. Yeah. It's pretty incredible to kind of watch this play out. Another sector of this industry

Starting point is 00:14:20 that you've been somewhat vocal about is the Bitcoin spot ETF. Now, for years, we had no ETF in the United States. We basically had these publicly traded trusts. Other jurisdictions around the world, they went ahead and they've approved ETFs, ETPs, ETNs, you know, the whole alphabet soup. And when the new kind of administration came in, I think there's a lot of hope that, okay, these people understand Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies, and they're going to be somewhat sympathetic and kind of push some forward, some approvals here. We did get an ETF approval, just happened to be a futures based one versus spot. What's your thoughts on the spot ETF? Is the futures one good? Should we be pressuring regulators to approve a spot? How does that work?

Starting point is 00:15:01 Your last question? Absolutely, we should be pressuring them to approve a spot. It's interesting. You look at what their mission is. The mission of the SEC and these other federal agencies is to protect Americans, right? Protect investors. And I get such a kick out of it. You said it. I felt the same way.

Starting point is 00:15:25 I felt the last administration did have some champions, right? Hester Peirce, Giancarlo, Brian Brooks, you know, some people that were really forward thinking and thoughtful. But we were running into a lot of friction with the existing financial services establishment, the traditional financial, I guess, legacy financial institutions and this new disruptive technology. So I thought when we had a change of administrations, just like you brought up, Pomp, I thought we were going to have some new thought coming in. And frankly, it's been as difficult or more difficult. And Harry Gensler is one of the what villains, if you will, of the of the current theater production that is this administration and their approach towards cryptocurrencies and other financial instruments in this new digital age. It's you talk about the spot ETF. So they denied Scaramucci, a well-known name from New York.

Starting point is 00:16:31 They denied an application from his group two weeks ago. They denied one from Fidelity. And again, they say they're protecting the individual American investors, which is their mission at the SEC, Pomp. But the intellectual disconnect or the intellectual inconsistency is where does the futures market get its price from? It gets it from the spot market. So you have to be asking yourself, and I just can't believe, and forgive me for this,

Starting point is 00:17:01 But I can't believe they think we're this stupid, that the average American investor that is working hard every day to study this stuff and understand where it's going and what they might do, they understand how inconsistent this is. And now, rather than starting to work with us, and we're going to continue to put pressure on them, now they want to take it a step farther. I think the nuns at Our Lady of Grace would have said farther or further. I can't remember. But they want to take it a step farther by changing the definition of an exchange so that it's not just facilitating a sale, facilitating a deal, but now it's putting sellers and buyers together. Think about that, Pam. If they actually do this, which, by the way, I would argue this is Gary Gensler going around the legislative branch of government because he knows he doesn't have this authority, but if he can somehow convince people through a rulemaking process that he's able to expand the SEC's jurisdiction, guess what? He's writing himself a blank check to weigh in on every single communication protocol out there. That's why I think it's really important for members of Congress, people with election certificates, to get up to speed and, more importantly, to lean in and lean in hard. How interested are your peers in Congress or other elected seats? Are they tuned into this stuff or are they worried about other things?

Starting point is 00:18:27 And there's a couple of you who have been pretty vocal and public about your thoughts, but most other people aren't paying attention. Well, remember, there are a lot of other things to be worried about. So this is not a criticism of any of my colleagues who are focused on other things, whether that be this runaway inflation we haven't seen in 40 some years, whether it be the crime wave that has what burned across this country, whether it's the open border, you name it, whatever it is. are the geopolitical, the national defense threats, et cetera. So there's a lot of things to be worried about. But this area, this specific area, I would argue to you that the awareness has grown exponentially over the last four to five months. I think we got years of growth and awareness, maybe not understanding per se, but at least awareness starting in August with the bipartisan infrastructure bill that included that misguided tax provision

Starting point is 00:19:29 that affects, well, affects a lot more than minors, I think that's what they were trying to do. But as soon as that happened, Pop, the industry, those that are interested outside of government, really weighed in. And because of the force that came from people and entities who are working in this area. You had a lot of our friends on the other side of the building, the U.S. senators, they woke up in a big hurry. And I think what you've seen on the House side, we have the bipartisan blockchain caucus that has more than doubled in size and it continues to grow. So the awareness is growing. On the issues, the specificity, I think we got two kinds of members. We've got members that are absolutely intent upon learning the details and understanding how we can allow the entrepreneurs in this space not only to exist in this country, but to thrive in this country.

Starting point is 00:20:31 And then there's another group who's coming to the party slowly, but they're more self-interested, which is one of the reasons, Pomp, directly that I announced both in my personal campaign and at the National Republican Congressional Committee that I run, that we're accepting campaign contributions in crypto. And it might sound like a selfish plug, but it's not. For all of your listeners out there, keep in mind that many of those of us with election certificates are very self-interested. I know this is going to surprise you. Very self-interested and self-focused. And when they see other members starting to raise campaign funds through Bitcoin or cryptocurrencies, you know what, Pop? They suddenly become very interested. Maybe I should find out what that's all about. So selfishly, that's the real reason why I did it, is to get people in our community of elected officials to start saying, maybe selfishly, I don't care what the reason is, that they've got to learn more about this and they've got to get involved. Because I think time is of the essence, Pomp. I don't think we have any time to waste here. Yeah, that's a great point. If you were president for a day, what's like the two or three things that you would do for the crypto industry? Like, are there things that if you could just wave a magic wand, you're like, bam, this is the first things that I would do? Yeah, I actually we do. We've got what I would do right away is try to have a better definition, if you will, of the of what a currency is, of what a of what a commodity is, of what a what a security is.

Starting point is 00:22:10 Because I think this has been one of the big problems, right? One of the big problems in this area is that you've got this smorgasbord of bureaucracies on the executive branch that all think they have some type of jurisdiction over the area. And it really causes a lot of friction for people who want to create new opportunities and uncertainty. You know, you've got regulators like Gensler who's out there regulating through enforcement. In other words, you start a project because you think this is a great idea. You want to do it right here in the country that you were born and raised in or the country that you have adopted as your home because it's all about freedom.

Starting point is 00:22:52 And guess what? You get this thing rolling and this guy decides now he's going to bring an action against you before you even know what the rules are. Or the other thing is just through a public statement. So some better definitions and jurisdictional definition of what is a currency, what is a commodity, and what's a security. And then, Pomp, you're probably aware, I mean, I've got bills like the Safe Harbor for Taxpayers with Forked Assets Act, which Darren Soto and I have offered. Darren is a Democrat from Florida. The Securities Clarity Act, and there's several others. There's a Safe Harbor, the Blockchain Regulatory Certainty Act. There is a package of things that I believe we could do in short order that would create that light touch regulatory framework that would allow people the ability to make decisions with some type of certainty before they take risk. And that's all you need, because if you have some type of certainty, let the risk takers take the risk because they're the ones who gain the reward. And by the way, when they're rewarded, all of us get the benefit of that reward. That's definitely true, in my opinion. I got two questions for you that my brothers are here and they're going to ask you a couple of questions.

Starting point is 00:24:11 But the first one is, Minnesota, what would it take to put Bitcoin on the state balance sheet? Anything, any conversations there or anything that you think could potentially happen in the next couple of years in terms of putting Bitcoin on Minnesota's balance sheet? I think it's a great idea. And I'm just going to tell you that I want to stay away from the partisan thing because I could be very critical. But I can be critical of Republicans just as well as I can be critical of Democrats. Right now, it would take some more forward thinking leadership, you know, something like your mayor down in Miami, something like some of the others that the new mayor in New York, who I find him very interesting because I don't know how what how detailed he is in his understanding. But I don't care because he's saying the right things about being forward thinking. And we could use more of that in Minnesota. You know, Pomp, we've celebrated the fact and anybody who's familiar with the old Garrison Keillor show, we've always celebrated the fact that us Minnesotans are just a little bit better than average and we should be able to get this figured out. I love it. My last question for you is, you obviously, as a U.S. congressman, get paid in U.S. dollars. There are now applications, something like maybe Strike, that would allow you to pick a percentage and auto convert on payment a portion of your salary into Bitcoin. Would you ever think about doing something like that and taking a portion of your salary in Bitcoin?

Starting point is 00:25:40 Yeah, why not? But I want to make it clear, I wouldn't restrict it to Bitcoin. I mean, I know that you and others in this area, in fact, I've got one in my office now, I kind of love him. He wrote me a thing about maximalists, which I'm kind of getting into. But the idea that we can start to bring crypto into the mainstream, whether it's by converting some of our salary to that or by allowing organically, I will make it clear because I don't want anybody to take from my statements that I think it makes sense to mandate what people take as a bargain for value of exchange. But I think organically, Pop, I think if we allow this to be the opportunity, I think, yes, I would take advantage of it. I think there's a lot of people who would. And that, by the way, is how you can facilitate this evolution that we're in while allowing the legacy financial institutions to, if they choose, to evolve with the financial industry or not. And you can ask some great companies of the past. Sears Roebuck is one that comes to mind that chose not to evolve. And we know what happens there. I'm going to send some folks up there to Minnesota and we're going to get you hooked up so you could be the first U.S. national politician to take part of their salary in Bitcoin. I think that that may be good for business for your campaign and for the state of Minnesota. Remember, Pop, it's still January. so i listen for bitcoin we'll go anywhere that's fine we go metaverse to the winters of minnesota or the summers of florida it's all good joe what questions you got congressman thanks for joining

Starting point is 00:27:28 us i really appreciate it my question would just be around inflation like what are your thoughts on it what's going on do you think it's more supply chain stuff going on or do you think it was kind of how much money was injected in the economy when does it get fixed do you think the numbers are accurate just your general thoughts on it i do not think the numbers are accurate i think they're probably worse. Just like debt, Joe, think about it. If you own a business and you don't have to list your retirement, your pension fund as a liability, boy, you're going to look a lot better if you've got a big pension liability, aren't you? That's kind of what our public municipalities can do across this country, our state. So inflation to me, let me explain it

Starting point is 00:28:10 in my Minnesota, what, simple way. Inflation began on January 20th of last year when our new president effectively killed American energy independence. And I don't care where people are on the, you know, fossil fuels, the Keystone pipeline. My point is not to get into a debate about that. My point is that many people think energy is just what you put in your gas tank. It's not. Energy is everything that drives our economy. You have to have abundant and affordable energy first and foremost to drive an economy that, and frankly, a lifestyle that we are all used to, and by the way, a lifestyle that improves every day. If you don't have that, well, first, it slows down. And then second, you get what we're into. And this is how. Because first, you destroy American energy independence. Second, you print all kinds of money, because really, you can. You're not held to any standard. You can print as much as you want, because remember, it's backed up by the full faith and credit of the American government. That's great. So that's the second element. The third element is you've got a consumer base that has been locked up effectively for over a year, that has now got a whole bunch of money that's been injected into their budgets, and they've got pent up demand. So you unleash this major weather system into the economy, and guess what? You're going to have a supply chain issue to begin with, and then start to layer on top of that, whether it's China, whether it's the policies that I will say were well-intentioned, increasing unemployment benefits so people could support themselves.

Starting point is 00:30:12 But in fact, what you did is you created a disincentive for people to get in the workforce. And all that, Joe, one piece that my side doesn't talk about very much, but we've also reached a point, I believe it's the perfect storm, where we've got an aging workforce in this country that simply is aging out of the workforce. So all of these things are coming together. And I'm going to tell you, until our government understands it cannot control the weather. It has got to have a monetary policy that recognizes you can't print and spend at will without having any negative consequence. You have to control that side of it. You have to start to reduce all the dependence that you've created and get people back out there improving their own lives and making things happen.

Starting point is 00:31:04 That's when you'll start to get it under control. But first and foremost, you've got to stop injecting these huge sums of cash into the economy, and you've got to allow our energy sector to start to create an all-of-the-above energy menu again. John, what questions do you got? Great points there. You really can't print trillions, and I expect some type of repercussions of that. So one way that the U.S. government has tried to inject more money into their pockets and the pockets of other Americans is actually through taxation, right? So they are collecting more and more taxes in crypto. What are your thoughts and what would you like to see around taxation in the crypto ecosystem? Well, so this, by the way, it's both direct taxes and indirect taxes.

Starting point is 00:31:47 I mean, people got to pay more attention to how this inflation, quite frankly, is a tax in itself, right? But the crypto space, this comes back to what I was talking about before. And that's, I think you need more definition as to what is considered a currency, what is considered a security and what is considered a commodity. That will determine the taxation. I believe you have a system already in place. The problem isn't that, you know, we got to create a whole new tax system for cryptocurrency or these types of assets. The problem is the government isn't willing to give us the definition so that we know what applies. That's what I went back to when I was talking about certainty, right? I think we should have an IRS safe harbor. So if someone starts a crypto project, starts a new whatever it might be, and it takes off, maybe in the beginning it looked like one thing, but once it takes off, it transforms itself into something else, great. We should not have a taxable event until we define what it is. And then, in fact, I believe we have a framework already in place. Now, the way this sector is growing and evolving, the speed with which it's moving, that might not be the perfect answer, but I believe that's where we start. Because the problem is you've got a lot of policymakers who think they have the ultimate answer, and they try to do something anticipating where the market is going or where the issues are. And guess what?

Starting point is 00:33:21 They cause more problems than they do good. Congressman, when you think about kind of your work, you do everything from spending a bunch of time with your colleagues and peers, actually creating legislation and representing people. We all spend a lot of time talking to your constituents and people that are everyday Americans. And I think maybe just in closing, help us understand kind of what are you hearing from that when it comes to inflation, when it comes to Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies, as you kind of have people writing in, calling, or just speaking to them in person, like what's the overall message maybe right now at the beginning of 2022, as we are about two years, you know, past kind of the start of the COVID-19 pandemic and a lot of the economic issues, what's the

Starting point is 00:34:02 message that you're getting? Well, it may not surprise you, although I do run in many different circles, the traditional financial uh folks as well as those that are uh you know been very skeptical of the uh the financial system uh those that are uh heavily involved in uh in bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies uh you know what i hear more than anything else uh and i'll i'm gonna paraphrase it because it's uh you get much longer discussions this than this uh but especially from those that are on board I think the last statement about, you know, these guys can print at will. I could defy gravity, too.

Starting point is 00:34:44 I think if I jump out this window, I'll fall a flight of stairs down. You can't change the way things operate. You can't print and spend at will and not expect to have a bad result. And so what I hear from most of these people that are interested in this innovation, interested in this area, interested in how our monetary policy has for most of them been mismanaged throughout their lifetime is, I told you so. I mean, it's basically that. I told you so. I knew this was going to happen. You know, every time we have one of these crashes, they come back and eventually they do the same thing. They set it up for the same failure. I told you

Starting point is 00:35:24 this was going to happen. And then they'll tell you, I see a day coming where we're all going to be able to do business with each other directly. And frankly, guys, I want to be around for that. And when it comes to Bitcoin, it's not going away. And Bob, when it comes to your show, I got to tell you, I got a text message from, and I won't mention his name. I hope he's listening this morning because I haven't called him back yet. But I got a text message and a voicemail from a guy two weeks ago, three weeks ago that said, hey, a voice out of the past, probably from a campaign that I had 10 years ago, cause he's up on the North shore up where the, uh, the snow is for, uh, adults and the cold is for animals. Uh, he, he, uh, called and said, you got to get

Starting point is 00:36:12 on pop show. These guys know what they're talking about. And I, uh, so, but by the way, we, we probably somewhere along the way, uh, we paid that guy to do that. That must be a plant. There's no way that anyone in our audience is that kind. Somebody definitely is pulling a trick on you. April Fool's early. Awesome. Listen, Congressman, thank you so much for taking the time to do this again. I just appreciate now. I just want to say thank you from the entire Bitcoin and crypto community. I think that the work that you're doing is incredibly important. I know that at times you can feel like you're slamming your head against the wall and kind of out and on an island. But just keep up the great work. There's a lot of people who are rooting for your success

Starting point is 00:36:52 and hopefully we can get some return to some kind of intelligent discussion around keeping America at the forefront of innovation and continue to use this technology, which obviously is creating a lot of jobs, create a lot of economic prosperity and make sure that America stays as the leader on the global stage.

Starting point is 00:37:09 So you're doing great work and keep it up. Amen. Thanks, Pomp. All right, sounds good. Talk to you soon. Thanks so much for listening to today's episode. I really hope you guys enjoyed this one. Make sure you're subscribed on Apple, Spotify

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