The Pomp Podcast - #836 Balancing Work & Marriage w/ Polina, Pomp, Alex & Matteo

Episode Date: February 23, 2022

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of Pomp Investments. You should not treat any opinion expressed by Pomp or his guests as a specific inducement to make a particular investment or follow a particular strategy, but only as an expression of his personal opinion. This podcast is for informational purposes only. All right, guys, today is a special episode. I have three friends and my wife, who's one of the friends but also annoys me sometimes all here so i have polina i have alex and i have mateo and we're gonna do a little different we're gonna test something i have no clue if this is gonna work or if mateo and i are gonna storm out of just being annoyed from this episode uh oh god we're already in trouble it can happen so we're gonna talk uh a little bit about the intersection

between uh business and relationships with uh alex and mateo obviously are both co-founders of eight sleep uh two of the three co-founders uh and they also happen to be married uh Mateo uh you are fortunate but Alex is more fortunate that she entered into that relationship I disagree but we can we'll discuss and then Flynn and I work together as well and she has been fortunate enough to also put up with me for uh I have been fortunate for years now which is uh surprising so the first thing I want to talk about is just communication, which obviously I'm a great communicator as Plano will attest to. But you guys have some very unique ways of communicating because you have work communication and then you have personal communication. So describe to people

or explain like the logic behind this. Yeah. Well, first I'll caveat that by saying, I'll let you describe it, but Mateo finds a process in everything. Okay. That's just maybe like, I'll his forte who wants a framework he wants a process so over the close to 11 years or so we've been together bunch of those working together he figured out a process so that this thing of us working and living together and spending basically 24 hours a day together could function but I think it's a great process so I think it works for us. You guys work together at your house in different offices right like you don't go to an office like you're in your home 24 hours a day essentially. Yeah that's like post-COVID life. So like before we were going to an office and you know, the whole

thing, like what we used to call the rat life and you wake up and you're in the office by 8am and then you leave at 8pm. Now we moved to Miami, you know, we work, the company's remote. So we work at home. Each of us has an office. Now Mateo's the CEO of the company. I run marketing. So he's my boss. So, you know, there's also that sort of dynamic. L-O-F. Boss at, no. He is at work, you know? And like, it's interesting, I think, to think about it because there's a lot of couples that work together maybe they have like a function that's almost like co-ceos or something but like in this case at the company we have other executives in the team so like it is a structured company and like he is my manager so we had to figure out a way to communicate about the different

topics in our life and i mean we are really serious about the the roles we have in one-on-one every tuesday and then usually we do it on saturdays and um yeah she sends me the agenda we go through all the bullets my chief of staff joins and we treat it like any other executive hold on hold on you're skipping over this and like downplay this so you guys do a one-on-one and the reason why i plan and i know this because you guys told us before and plan on like oh man they're way ahead of us on this like we should learn from this you just do a one-on-one every single week but you do it from your house you're in the same house two different rooms and you get on zoom to do it and you have the chief of staff join so that it's no different than if either one

of you is doing a one-on-one with anyone else in the company yeah or we'll do it in person of like if his chief of staff who lives in miami too now is at home we'll just you know go all together and but it's it's formal like i mean he will you know kick my ass if something's not going well it's just like a normal relationship at work so the best part is if the chief of staff alex his name is alex is not in miami then we do it on zoom and at that point i do in my room she does in her room and everyone is completely independent but the best part of all this is she's always so people send me the agenda for the one-on-one the night before but she's always late at sending it and so every monday night she's still working at like 10 p.m and i say what the hell are you doing why

do we not do you know spend some time together oh i have to send the agenda to my boss no i gotta say that is not late because i have until the end of the previous day to send it true so in terms of personal life but she's still fine in terms of professional life and so as a ceo i'm good but as a husband i'm pissed okay wait wait wait wait so okay how when you guys disagree because i think this is one thing that me and anthony are definitely not good at you can tell like right now if we're talking if he says something that pisses me off even if it's a professional setting like you'll notice that I'm pissed off how do you like at work compartmentalize being upset at your boss or being upset with your executive without bringing it into your personal

life yeah I think this is something that Matteo was actually much better than me at doing and over the years I had to learn how to do that but for us which is really interesting it's like we almost never really fight or disagree on things in our personal life. So it's, it's usually that we would bring, and usually I would bring the resentments or the anger or the stress of work to the personal hours. And so I just had to deal with that with the fact that like, when we shut the computers and, you know, just like he would do with anyone else in the company, he's not with them all day. Uh, we may stop talking about work. Then we'll talk about how he still slacks me about work that's okay um but i can't bring that to the relationship right like this can't be this can't

be just shit on mateo the whole time talk about talk about the separation of yeah so this is one of the main reasons why the the communication structure in that process really helps all right so what's the system okay we have two rules so the first one is about okay how do we communicate And so we use Slack and WhatsApp. On Slack, there is professional life. And obviously on WhatsApp, there is personal life. But the interesting thing is that sometimes I'm complaining on Slack about something. Maybe we need to move faster or we didn't do something.

But at the same time, I'm WhatsAppping her about, okay, what are we going to have for dinner tonight? My dear love. Then that's why you were mentioning, right? When you were pissed and you're like, how can he be writing to me about dinner when he's like telling me all these things? I'm able to disconnect from one or the other and completely switch. On one side is, oh, what, what beautiful dinner are we going to have? Do you want to go out for dinner?

While on the other side, I'm complaining, get this thing done now because we are late. So, but, but your brain works like that. I think, Alex, how did you like go along with the system and how did you train yourself to be okay? Honestly, it's like years of it. like we've been together for so long we've worked together for so long that at the beginning it wasn't like that like I think we were like before it's like we've always done projects together like we've been that type of couple and so the first sort of projects we would do over the weekends

and stuff we were fighting much more like it was it was painful and I think you have to go through that process sometimes but you have to understand that both of you are doing with the best of intentions you want the same goal you start learning how to communicate how to like bring up those emotions in the right moment in the right setting um and yeah I think it was just sort of training and I needed that those training wheels that maybe for him it was easier and I think it's just a matter of character and personalities and everyone's going to be a bit different yeah and now I think it works pretty well like it's rare that we bring that mesh actually we integrate our conversations much more there's less of this resistance where I say like don't talk to me

at work or let's not do this just it needs to integrate at the end of the day you guys stop ever talking about work no because I get yelled at all okay no sometimes sometimes I don't stop yeah I'll be like stop and I'll be like but like this is just how my mind works like I can't but There is the second rule. Oh, the second rule. So the second rule is I could keep talking about work 24-7, like nonstop, like you. But it's not the same for her.

So sometimes she wants her space. And so she started setting this rule where around, I don't know, 9 p.m., call it whatever, I need to stop talking about work because it's not healthy for her. And she said, when she was complaining, she said, oh, you need to treat me like any other executive on this. And so I started thinking, I say, fine, I cannot talk about work, but I can still slack other executives so I can slack you as well. Right.

Oh, no. And so sometimes we are on the couch and we are watching a show or whatever. My brain start thinking and I start slacking her and there is her phone vibrating on the couch and it's me. And I keep writing, just waiting for her to read my message because I think I had a very cool idea. how many times has she thought it was a good idea to you but you know it's a matter of mindset so i still think it's a good idea yeah yeah i think one of the things uh polina got this idea i think it was from cat cole right yeah where uh polina was like hey we should do these uh monthly check-ins and i immediately i was like i'm out like i i don't need to check in anywhere

we talk every day we're good she was like no like what how many questions are there so it's like I adapted it from Kat Cole. I listened to a podcast of her and her husband. And basically they were talking about when they were growing up, they didn't see like a great model for a great marriage. So they were like, how can we make our marriage good? So they asked a bunch of people like, you know, what, um, what, what do you do to make sure that your marriage is a good one? And they said like, make sure that you don't just reserve checking in with each other like once a year do it more often than that so they devise this like plan where it's every month there's eight to ten questions i think uh but they're meant to like promote good conversation

and we started doing it when we got married in july of 2020 every single month um and it's really cool now to look back even though she writes down the answers and goes and looks back and the questions are of the sort. And I think Kat has an entire article on this. She has all the questions online if you want to see it. But it's like, what can I do this month to be a better partner for you? Or what did I do last month that you didn't like that I could change this month? Things like that. And then one, but like, because it's Anthony, one of the questions is like, what was your greatest gratitude last month? And I'd be like, you know, this, I'm so happy to have this like a partner and this baby and whatever. And his is like, I got my teeth cleaned.

That's not, that's not. I didn't, I don't know. You can take that a lot of different ways. Like it was a big moment. I rescheduled the meeting six times with a dentist. Finally got it done. You find it in the smallest of things. That's also good. other thing is that there's a question of what is the thing that you spent time on over the last month that uh you didn't get a good return on your investment basically how did you waste time and my answer is the same every single month which is twitter but at the same time but there's value in twitter as well so like there's some things that like you know you're looking like okay next month i don't want that to be the answer i don't want that to be it's cool to see a pattern and

then other times they're just like yeah that's gonna be my answer like you just write that down for the next six months because that's gonna be my answer for the next six months anyways and the questions are personal or professional or both they're kind of both um yeah one of them is like you know what's one thing that I could help you with at work this month or things like that so that's an opportunity to be like for example I can tell him hey I have like three calls in the next two weeks can you watch the baby or like here's how you can help me but it's a better way I think what you said Alex like there's a time and a place for stuff so if you think mentally think like okay I'm not going to bring this up now,

but I'm going to bring it up at the check-in. It makes it better than like arguing, you know, at 8am on a Saturday. I'm putting babysitter in my Twitter bio. We should do it as a friends. So we should start having the monthly check-in. How can I be a better friend?

We should just do it right here. We can record it and publish it. So we should tell the people who are watching or listening, um, that Mateo and Alex and us every, pretty much every Saturday, we go get pizza together and we like pizza anymore. Mateo's going to make us pizza?

We raise our bar and now we make pizza at home. With the same dough of the pizzeria. He was the understudy of the pizza maker. But yeah, we do things like this and like we talk about this stuff. So we thought how cool would it be to record a conversation that we would

normally have at the pizza place. All right. The number one question that Plin and I get from people whenever we've done podcasts in the past etc. is how we make financial decisions and uh or big life decision or big life decision but mainly financial decisions uh which are big life decision i feel like you guys are very similar to us in that we don't really disagree about that much like the biggest disagreement is you know maybe i left the cup out when i had tea at night

before i went to sleep right uh which by the way sounds like world war iii when it's brought up but like not that big of a deal um how do you guys think about when you're gonna make a purchase on something or saving versus investing like how do you think about making financial decisions do you talk about it or do you just do whatever you want to do? No, no. I actually think working together has made those decisions seem so much easier to take than anything else we deal with at work. So I think it's just this muscle that we've developed. We're making decisions all the time at work. And you know, when you are sharing your life with someone, you're making decisions all the time as well, but they seem so much easier to make. And we sort of use the same

approach where we talk about it. Can you give an example, like a specific example, like for example, buying a car or buying a house or something like that? How did you? Yeah, it should different examples so on one side we are pretty impulsive and we take decision quickly like when we moved to miami like we spoke about that a couple of days it was april 2020 we came here because we found a house online that we liked and we came here and we made an offer that offer didn't go through but then we we kept trying and and and at the end we found a house we liked but sometimes we also take stupid decisions like i i recently bought a motorbike just because i like motorbikes and so I go to her I'm saying I'm going to buy a motorbike and she just went like

today uh and then I had a slot in between meetings I went and I got the motorbike and then and then I have to say the reason why that works and and I have noticed this talking to my friends when they like get married or you know they're maybe they've been married for a couple years is that sometimes partners don't talk about how they're going to manage their money right and so the reason why something like that works is like how do you structure your finances like how much of is money you put together with which you make decisions together and how much when both of you have an income right you say well there's a part of that income that will be reserved to whatever i want to do and so i think all of that is like it needs to make sense as a system it can't just

be like you know maybe if if he was buying that motorbike with money we had reserved for a purchase together yeah of course i would be pissed right but we have set up a system that allows us to be is it so detailed that you have like percentages where you're like hey we're gonna both put 50 percent of our salary we actually have an excel where of course we have all the data from can i just say i make a mess in that excel and he has to go in once a month and he cleans it up so that is how this relationship works okay but now we have data from the past four or five years of all the expenses and in the way we contribute so we agree on percentages but then i have my money she has her own money that is more normal in Europe so I grew up with that no mindset right in Europe

usually you know the two partners each of them have no they can they decide when they get married but they substantially split not their own money and so in our case we have a gentleman a hybrid structure a hybrid structure where yeah we decide what's her percentage what is my percentage and everyone pays but then in other things like so we were looking recently for someone to file our taxes and so i did the whole due diligence i went through 12 different uh tax advisors or whatever is the right name and i picked the right one and so i was 100 on that but now we need to file some documents and she's better at that boring stuff and so she now um yeah exactly all the documents so we kind of split the the activities then in terms of investments and i'm the one who is active

she's the one who is more conservative but then i'll when i invest my this sort of like the percentage is my money yeah then i'll ask him right so like that's also part of recognizing like what are the strengths or the things that maybe he's spending more time on that he can guide me through or like help me he has like a few more years of experience in life than me too and so just i think we really think of each other as like partners and there's no like competition but she has her own portfolio right so i say look this is my portfolio if you want to follow these percentages now in etf or bonds or whatever and then she decides what to do with her own money yeah it's pretty much exactly what we do except for polina uh goes off the rails every once in a

while and hits me with i'm doing this and i'm like well that's actually a good idea but uh oh okay so this is what i was gonna say so i think with decisions we really don't we haven't had like a disagreement I think we're pretty aligned on like big life decisions but um I will say that for example if we disagree on something if he wants to buy something or do something and I'm like I'm not sure that's a good idea I ask questions and then he likes it but to me I think it's like an argument but he's actually I don't I've recently learned that the way he like makes decisions is he listens to all the questions even though he confidently rebuts them like during the argument i'm like no no you're wrong and he's like well what about this and what about this

and then a week will pass and he's like oh yeah you're right like i didn't end up doing it and then you keep thinking about that on your own and then maybe you change your mind and you go back and say okay see this was this was probably the biggest thing that i think uh i don't really even think we figured this out until after we got married oh my god it took a while in hindsight I maybe I should have done a better job of explaining it but Polina would be like I can't believe that we got in an argument and I'm like what argument did we get in and she would be and then like a week later she'd be like like I can't believe we fought about something I'm like what and then I realized I thought that we were just debating or like uh I kind of thought like me and

my brother we just like talk shit to each other right and like five minutes later you want to go get dinner sure let's go like there's no uh hard feelings there's no any of this yeah but Polina would take it as like we got in an argument I had the same I had the same struggle especially like when we started living together and like your life sort of changes right like it's a big shift to start sharing your life with someone and you you know in our case we're from different cultures too I mean you guys too like you grew up in a different home with a different culture and so there's like a lot of potential clashes there and you probably remember this in like the early years but like I would definitely be much more sensitive and like maybe I wouldn't understand

the tone or the types of questions or the things or the actions and like, yeah, you have to go through it and be able to voice it with, like you said, the right moment. You can't be just like exploding all the time. You need to be able to think and say like, well, here's why I'm feeling this way. And then find the moment when you can discuss the things that after processing them actually make sense as something that hurt you. And I, and I will say, I think like some people, their partners are, are very emotional people. Like I think if I was in a relationship with somebody who is an emotional person it would be much more explosive than like Mateo or Anthony are very logical and I think it kind of like you you have to become more rational we're gonna clip

that part no I said that one time never again actually a good topic for another podcast if we will meet here again it would be we always debate how naive we were when we started our relationship and no one taught us how to really assess a partner you guys were young too right yeah yeah but when we started dating yeah i was 21 so you were 21 how old were you 20 yeah 28 something like 28 all right how old were you when i met you five oh you were like a baby yeah i saved you actually okay well if you were 20 you said you were 24 you were like 28 27 28 yeah something like that yeah so so uh partner selection i think is like probably one of the most important basically there's two main important decisions you have to make in life it's

like who you spend your life with and where you spend your life right those are the two things and uh what was uh naval maybe somebody recently said like environment uh i actually disagree that environment's the number one right partner's probably number one and then environment maybe environment can lead to partner or vice versa uh but how did you think about partner selection like why why did you like oh this 21 year old like i'm gonna spend the rest of my life with her I think, I mean, we, we, we talk about that all the times and I think we were extremely naive. We didn't assess all the things, right?

And, but the risk, no one taught us how to assess a partner. There is just this concept of love is the person that you love. Well, I'll actually say this. I think they tell you a lot about how to assess the person. Is the person this? Is the person that? Is the person, it's like you're judging a person instead of saying, how do we fit together? Yeah.

Right. It's almost like when you're hiring, if you're just looking at the candidate and saying, like, Oh, look at this perfect resume, right? That's not enough. You need to understand how that person fits into what you need in your organization, where you want to go, how this person needs to grow. And I think that's the mistake that we make most of the times that you just look at this person and you don't understand how that person fits with you. And also with the life you want to live. Like in our case, you know, for me, when, when I was assessing this and I had an experience with a friend who also had like, was having a relationship with someone from the UK,

she's from Mexico. And I told her, it's like, when I was assessing, if I wanted to spend my life with an Italian guy, I had to understand that I was probably never going to go back to live in Tijuana where I grew up. Right. And that's a big decision to Anthony's point of where you live. Like you need to be aware that your life is just never going to be maybe what you dreamt of, like living back home with all your friends and in the same neighborhood as your parents. So there were some of those things in my mind, but certainly not with the depth of a lot of the things you encounter once you are married, you realize, wow, like we never maybe talked about this or we, it just like it worked but did you guys get lucky in that it worked or did you kind of grow together

we were lucky and so we grew together but we were just lucky that we were able to do that right yeah but okay but i have to say this i had a really good instinct because when i met mateo guys yes i always tell this story okay when i met him we were these youngsters and i was living in miami So Miami has a big role in our lives. And I met him at a club, Nikki beach. This was just, this was a long time ago.

Um, Halloween night. So not only at a club, it was like Halloween night. And so we met, we meet there. Uh, no,

we were definitely drinking back then, but we were not like drunk or anything, but so we meet there and Mateo being Mateo, he was like, you know, we chat for like 30 minutes and then he's like, give me your number. Let's have dinner tomorrow.

And I'm like, whoa this guy's aggressive and i didn't i didn't understand that he didn't live in miami like obviously we were chatting for like 20 30 minutes so i thought he was very aggressive but the point is he was leaving like two days later to go back to italy where he was still living so that's why he was being so aggressive or maybe he really liked me and so we go to have this dinner and i so wait have i not heard she doesn't give me the phone number she gives me the email address not a Your phone number, your email address. Because I thought if I give him my number, this guy's going to be bugging me.

Imagine if I actually don't, because I didn't say yes to dinner right then and there. I'm like, let me think about it. Yeah, good for you. Let's talk about the framework. So I go back to the hotel and I immediately send an email following up after, you know, the night of the Nikki Beach, asking for dinner the following night. Following up from Nikki Beach Club. You know?

So there is a framework in everything, you know, as you follow up in business. What was the subject line? Do we know? I probably can find that email. but like he he follows up immediately by the time i get back to my dorm at um i have this email with his name with his full name so i started googling him because i'm like who's this guy like i'm not gonna go to dinner with a guy is that research is that we said that i was stalking it's research it's very important to do your research yes and so i google him there are these

articles coming up with his previous companies and like he's like all dressed in a suit and he's like steaming with this like his arms in front of his chest yeah he was like cool right but anyways we go to have this dinner I'm like you have to come over all the way here by you I'm which you know for people who don't know Miami that's not in Coral Gables and then like he was staying in Miami Beach and so he was really thinking whether he should even come imagine this he would have missed the opportunity of his life I was this close to not go because I was there with my co-founder I was in Miami with my co-founder and my co-founder started inviting me to another place that evening and so until like 10 minutes before not calling the the taxi I had

not to decide and then I said okay let me let me go change his life wow so he comes to this dinner and I still remember like that's actually when we started chatting like oh tell me about you because you know you don't do that at the club and just from the way he was describing himself i had like this this like aha like oprah says or like the aha moment i'm like holy like this this guy is what i felt at the time no no like what i felt it wasn't even that like i fell in love with him in that moment or anything it was i realized for some reason i interpreted this way it's like this guy is me in a man yeah and i my mom's positive my mom actually at our wedding she gave a speech because my dad was no longer with us and she said

the story right i told her it's like this guy i met like this guy's like me meaning i always i was always like a very ambitious and woman and you know i wanted to do certain things in life and like i i found it hard i had found it at the time hard to meet men who liked that or who were okay with that and so when he was just describing himself which was something very simple and he was just not telling me anything big or trying to be cocky or arrogant it just sort of clicked yeah and i was like if i ever see this guy again because by the dinner i obviously understood he didn't live in the u.s if i ever see him again i think i'm gonna marry him so you want to hear what's crazy is the very first time that plin and i ever met ask her what she asked me at by the way oh i did

okay a work meeting but hold on a second a work meeting let me frame this because i had been thinking about this. Um, and that's what, and I was like, Oh, cause he just seemed very, um, like, okay. What you just said, um, you were one of the few people that I had ever met who actually asked questions and paid attention. So like, I would have this thing where if I'm not really like, if I don't want to talk about something, I would just change the subject and the other person wouldn't notice. But like, he was like, no, no, no. Like, well, what were you going to say and it was like oh you're actually listening well because in my world that's just bullshit right it's like oh my bullshit meter is very remember the christmas tree and so she would

like try to change the subject and so at one point she decided to interact she was interviewing you no no we're just meeting uh i won't go into all the details and embarrass her but we're just meeting uh i thought i was at a business meeting we were at a business meeting this is like that we were on a break or we were not on a break yeah it's a whole thing but long story short is she would like i'd ask her a question and she would like kind of half-assed answer and then she would like try to divert the conversation so one of the things that she said i mean you can't make this up she was like what's the weather like in north carolina and i was like what it was like in the middle or like another time she was like do you think that christmas

tree back there is a real one or a fake one and i was like what like like what is going on right now but the question that she did ask me at one point was uh do you think that two ambitious people could be together and i remember it's a very fascinating question i've never thought about that because just like if people aren't ambitious like i kind of just like get rid of them right like you're bored or you don't find it interesting yeah just like i just like move it's like you know you're just kind of like rotating through friends or whatever until you find people who you're like oh these are like people who you know i feel comfortable around i whatever and like ambition was probably one of the core things throughout whether it was my family my friends you know

people I dated whatever and so when she asked me that I was like I never really like thought about this idea she's like well exactly kind of what you're saying of like yeah there's like a lot of dudes who don't like that and I was like so so yeah to me I that came at a time where I was like convinced that if two ambitious people are together eventually it like won't work out because you're both ambitious and whatever but your answer to that question was actually really was my answer do you remember nope come on basically you said like great one though there's um there's like two types of people right i do remember this yeah yeah so you either meet really really young like in high school or college and you grow together navigate life together you

navigate life together but you end up growing together right and even make it to the other side like almost think of it like an obstacle course two people start obstacle course right if uh and you're both like 15 16 17 years old and as you run through the obstacle course you both have to make it to the end together right so like you not only are transitioning from high school to college college to working working to you know family like all these different transitions in your own life but you have to do it at about the same pace and at the same complexity maturity etc as the other person it's like very hard to do yeah right and so like pretty much every person i've ever known like they were way more mature than i was or vice versa like whatever and so

if you can't do that which is like navigate it all side by side then the only other way to actually get to like a long-lasting relationship in my mind was like you both run the obstacle course by yourself and then at some point you meet way down the road and when you do that it's much easier because you basically have uh you haven't had meet all those challenges together when you might not have grown at the same pace and so that was my point or it was like yeah you could either be really young and meet and like navigate it all or you got to wait till later but the like meeting halfway usually doesn't work because people are different points in their career they don't have the trust of having known each other for a long period of time like it's just

very hard i think to do that uh and so when we met i was like well like you know i'm older like where do you think you two met yeah i was gonna say i also think it matters though i think we met later like i think we had both done things or like been successful in different areas of our lives but to me success then is nowhere near what success is now um but when we met i actually i'm really glad that we met in 2016 like way before all this crap like way before bitcoin and all this stuff um because I mean like you weren't making any money I wasn't making literally met me at like a lot of people forget this and uh people go google it but like I had this like great career took a huge cratering hit that's at the bottom is when I met Polina and it was unique

because I actually don't think I would have trusted her like almost any other point if I met her a year before or a year later it's like kind of questionable right and so uh i think that there's this weird thing also of like you guys met and you met at a time in your lives where like you could trust people you could like like it wasn't you didn't have to worry about like why is this person talking to me whatever but like if mateo was single right now and he went to a bar and somebody came up to him like oh you're the eight sleep founder right like that would be like a weird way to like start a relationship with somebody and so i think a lot about like when you actually end up meeting somebody are you in a position in your life where you could trust

them and that you don't think they have alternative motives or anything like that like how many you know what was it somebody said uh um i mean like oh god i was gonna say kim kardashians had like four divorces i read online and like how do you if you're kim kardashian you meet somebody it's hard to trust why why are they showing up right like like that's the extreme example of it but like that's just a hard situation it happens all the time i think with people that build certain level of power wealth especially fame it makes it really difficult like i was nobody at fortune magazine right like i was the lowest of the lowest level reporter but i always had it in the back of my head like is this so and so interested because maybe not in me but like potential fortune

coverage which they you know little did they know I could never write about them because it's conflict of interest whatever but but it's like it's always in your head like if I continue down this trajectory like am I always gonna have to keep that in mind I think there's actually a dynamic too that there is the the trust part in terms of yeah maybe who you are how much money you have or whatever but like even I think in young women of like are they with me just because like I'm young and pretty and whatever and they'll like leave me in a few months I think a lot of people don't talk about that too sometimes of, you know, just trust and like it has to be built in really believing that people want to be with you because of who you are. And I think that to

your point of, you know, Kim or a lot of people imagine if you're like a beautiful model and you're young and you're trying to find like a real partner, I'm sure that it makes it difficult because you wonder if they're with you just because of your looks and if at some point they'll get tired of that and want to look for something else. Yes. I do think there's a piece also of like uh if you could build a company with somebody then you probably could be in a relationship with them like like there's this weird thing of like uh polenta brought this up to me one time uh the terminology uh was it trophy wife oh yeah you explained where this origin came from no i don't know the history i don't know the history i know what it means fantastic okay so

it's not it doesn't change this is this is the key thing the way that we think a trophy wife now i think is like uh i just thought of a word i don't think i'm allowed to say but like you know it's kind of like the uh the man marries an attractive younger woman who uh uh is the trophy wife because of how she looks and her age like all this stuff right but actually it started out completely different meaning so this reporter carol loomis worked at fortune magazine and she wrote about this i think it was in the 80s it was when all these ceos were they were very high power ceos but they had married young right so they had married someone who was kind of like you know they didn't grow together um and they weren't maybe their partner wasn't necessarily interested

in what they did etc there weren't true partners and then there was this like slew of ceos getting divorced and marrying the second wife and the second wife she referred to as the trophy wife but it used to mean like entrepreneurial uh more equal partner so that's the actual sort of partner that they chose knowingly and that's an actual achievement in a way that's interesting not you know like the the trophy wife that we think of today yeah there is one i think one topic that very few people cover that if you find the right partner and you start growing together that will probably increase your chances of success and I'm not just talking about professional no I could be professional personal everything right but so and we see it as also as co-founders I think in our

case yeah maybe the age we were not not just out of college but if you think I just moved to the US when we started living together so it was like the beginning of a new journey for me we both got into tech at the same time so we were like a t-zero when we got into tech and everything we did we did it together from that moment on but I think very few people talk about the fact that if you find the right partner and then you start sharing a goal and you are aligned in terms of now values and mission almost like really in the company that is gonna accelerate and push you to raise your bar continuously in our case right we we share friends but we also share contacts we read the same kind of things we are obsessed about the same topics and so yeah

she's my wife but she's also like almost a tech buddy and so we have a lot of fun debating things that happen on twitter or in tech every single week it's um uh the overlap of intellectual curiosity is like really important and uh if you think about the things that either alex mateo plana are interested in if you couldn't sit down and have that conversation with your significant other like life would be kind of boring almost right and i think a lot about like focus right of uh there's this i'll call it a meme i don't know like passage or whatever on uh on instagram a lot um that i see people post and it's something to the effect of like hey find one woman focus and you'll be amazed at like what can happen right and sure like there's some elements of that that

are true but i actually think it's the right person like plan and i probably spend i don't know in the last three days we've watched the same thing we've both been like man we can't wait to watch that documentary we can't wait to watch jamie diamond carl icon we listen to three podcasts in a row about tech on saturday while we were driving right and then you debate that right yes yeah and i think this it's hard to find the perfect partner for for this right because they can have a different interest but if you are aligned in terms of interest i think it makes things way easier for the couple because you have so much to talk about yes right it's not that she's doing a completely different job where maybe i don't

really care about what she's doing even if it's interesting she's in fashion maybe i don't care about fashion and then no she started going in a different direction from mine here we live and breathe the same topics every day but i think it it can work so you don't have to be in the same industry no i think it's like that understanding of whether there are some things you would be overlapping in in terms of interest like there has to be maybe like say if i was in fashion where could we discuss about like the high performing creative individuals in fact like it happens actually a lot of times like i love listening to stories from like celebrities or these creatives people like telling their stories like on youtube or whatever these interviews and maybe he doesn't

gravitate initially towards those but i'm still still able to bring those stories into our conversations because he's genuinely interested in how high performing people yeah like like he could care less about hold on could not care less about um the kardashians but like chris jenner that one was a genius are you kidding me so but like i don't know anything about the kardashians but i know chris jenner's a genius but it wasn't until like i brought that story to you that you're like oh she's interesting yeah well and i think it's also uh there's people who are interesting but there's also like ideas right because if you're interested in just like whether it's high performance individuals, businesses, whatever, like a lot of times you can see

something that happens in one industry and you're like, Oh, you could take that same idea and apply it. Maybe it's a little bit different. Maybe it's in, uh, you know, it's not software and now it needs to be software or whatever, but like, I don't know, you know, uh, something that I know is close to Mateo's heart. It's like Ferrari, Lamborghini, you know, luxury brands, how they position it, where they market, like you can learn a bunch from it and then you can take it and you could literally go do it with any other type of business and so like i think that's probably where i get like the most interesting stuff and um what is the uh there's a documentary on i think his name is evan funk i think is how it is pasta maker that's his name right yeah uh it's spelled f-u-n-k-e

maybe yeah so there's a guy who uh he's got a restaurant in los angeles he's world famous a friend of mine told me hey go watch this documentary and i'm like i don't know anything about pasta really like i don't care like all this stuff for sure so this guy goes to italy yeah for a year or something and he studies under like the best pasta no but he also studies under like the grandmothers who like make it like i'm not talking like michelin five-star chef i'm talking about like literally the you know uh the the actual grandmothers making italian pasta whatever and then he comes back and he puts his own flair on it but he creates this restaurant in los angeles and it's like this amazing thing but they document the whole thing and you're just

like at the most macro level like going and learning and putting in the work to get the knowledge of doing that how many people would have flown there for a couple of days and like okay i saw what they you know i saw how they cut it and they left but this guy like moved there for six months 12 months whatever it was and did it every single day and came back and now he's like this great person they're like man sometimes that that is the secret to it right it's just seeing how somebody else did it and then moving it over yeah and that inspires you so we're kind of that way like we want to watch those things together because we find joy and motivation in those same sort of media products but definitely when i'm watching the kardashians which i love to watch

he doesn't tune in right and so you also can have like your own hobbies or things you enjoy but if it was a documentary about her how she came from zero to what she is today i would be super excited to watch it because no I want to learn from her yeah all right last topic I want to talk about then we'll get into the closing questions is time versus money and this is the thing that Polina and I probably uh we we recognize that we approach this differently but a lot of times there will be things that aren't like overly expensive but they will save me time and I'm like I'll spend the money all day long like just give me my time Polina's mentality usually is the opposite of like i'll just do it myself so i don't have to spend the money

and it's interesting because like there is no right answer it's like what are you optimizing for okay but i think this is exactly what alex said earlier about like cultural differences for example when we came to the u.s like we lived in apartments where like you turn the lights on and you like the the cockroaches weren't even scared to leave they were just there so like like i from coming from that and even if i do have the money for something there's still this like mental block of like yeah but i can just do it it's like you know do you have somebody come clean your house i'm like i can just do it you know even though it won't probably save me money whatever but i just i can't like it's hard for me to get through like i didn't have money and then once

you have some money it's like how do you like get through time and have you ever heard oprah talk about the first thing she bought when she made money and it was like towels oh really like good towels yeah because like when you come from she's obsessed with oprah if she can meet one person in the world oprah amazing entrepreneur exactly well that's what i always loved about her she grew up watching her watching her and so it's like there's this black woman who's like building this empire like how i can do that and she was incredibly smart too not just about building like what was a great career but also owning everything as soon as possible yeah right and like getting ownership of the network all right so to close there's a couple of questions i think that we should ask

and maybe we'll do if we do this again we'll ask the same questions uh the first one is what's the one thing that your partner did that annoyed you this past week i can start oh my god i feel so insulted right now no i was waiting for this since when he told me yesterday that this was a question i started thinking out of these 10 15 things which one should i pick so on saturday we drove to palm beach and as soon as she gets in the car she starts changing the temperature you know bringing it down and she doesn't get that it takes a little bit of time for the car to just reach the uh no the 70 degree temperature and she keeps moving down and so all the times i tell her oh you shouldn't do that just wait a couple of minutes and then we'll reach the right time guys i get

hot i sweat he doesn't sweat because he probably has like a five percent body fat and i'm over here sweating and i'm like can i please just put it lower this is the fight now that's that's the thing to fight about i love that i mean i have to say that you both have a point here so i'm just going to step out of this one can i just can i just point out the expert thing that alex just did she said she gave him a compliment while saying he was wrong the sandwich body fat but he's wrong that's what he do i was gonna kind of use the same one Wait no you didn't do the full thing We have these

You never saw it So we say like this Oh nice I like it Do we need one? It's like we're 12 year olds Or something I think we need one

Yeah I think that one But like Matteo does the same thing That you were mentioning About the cup That Anthony does Where like he doesn't put The tea cup Or the espresso cup

Anywhere Other than where he left it But I've gotten used to it You know It's a compromise like you don't take it to the sink you don't put it in the sink and I also flip it

oh okay I'm going to take a picture next time we're going to share it yeah I completely disagree I'm going to tweet it for Mateo it's a coffee cup or an espresso cup

for him it's a vase because he drinks water out of a vase that he didn't know is a vase I thought it was just a big cup I was like are you drinking

water out of my flower vase I thought it was a big cup it's like a small vase big cup whatever alright what did I do

to annoy you okay okay so i didn't address this with you but um this is part of the monthly but like now i can't say it because he's like calming the baby okay well the other day we were at a friend's apartment and sofia was sleeping oh hey she remembers she remembers she was sleeping and you know if you're a first-time parent how important it is for the baby to sleep because you have some time and all is well. It's quiet. Birds are chirping. We are talking. And he goes, okay, I'm going to wake up my friend so I can play with my friend. And I'm like, no, your friend is sleeping. So yeah. So I was like, your friend is sleeping, let her sleep. You can play with her later. And

he's like, no, I really, I really think I need to play with her right now. And I'm like, I really don't think you do and this is playing out in front of people so i'm like oh but i keep it cool i'm like well i didn't really keep it cool but i was like you don't play with her but then eventually i conceded and i was like fine so then he woke up the baby and that's it but i'm just like never wake did he have to sleep the baby afterwards or he was off the hook well she she was because she was also pissed you woke her up she so that one time of course she didn't cry i was like of course this one story anyway never wake a sleeping baby and he did and i was not i was upset i wasn't that upset about it was just annoying for the record did she cry she did not

cry this one time she loved it she's crying now though so for the record i was right all right so the thing that you annoyed me with this week i've been thinking long and hard about this you've asked me a bunch of times there's actually two things that you did that i thought i should bring up uh one is exactly what you just said which is when i want to play with the baby let me play with the baby like it's time it's time for us to hang out like i just i could feel it there's like this energy thing it's a vibe yeah just like i could just feel that the baby is like where is my dad so let me play with the baby okay uh the second thing actually is uh also related to the baby which is paulina has way too much confidence in me and at times she will leave me with the baby alone

like today uh today was one uh situation but that wasn't that bad uh last night it happened two or three weeks ago it happened as well where she'll say hey just hold the baby i'll be back in five minutes or 15 or 20 minutes and then she'll leave and she's laughing right now because the second the second she leaves all hell breaks loose the baby starts screaming like literally the baby's being murdered and the baby i don't know how knows this but she'll stop two minutes before plenty comes back when i left the baby wasn't crying when i came back the baby wasn't crying great job and i'm like i think that my eardrums have been blown out i'm about to go crazy like this baby wouldn't stop crying and no matter what i did and so i don't know if sofia thinks it's

funny i don't know if polina thinks it's funny it's great maybe they have an agreement about it you don't know but listen i'm not really sure what's going on but i do know that the baby when i'm alone with it that we uh we have a unique relationship so when plena's around the baby loves me when not she screams uh she's fine now all right you guys get to ask me and mateo a question and then we'll ask you guys yes we have it polina go ahead i'm pulling it up i'm pulling it up okay if you guys had to write it down of course okay if you were able to live to the age of 90 and retain either the mind or body of a 30 year old for the last 60 years of your life which would you want you go first between the mind and the body yeah for the last 60 years of

your life oh the mind yeah mind easy not even close i was so sure these guys were gonna say that oh really yeah i wasn't sure because you because they're all about their ideas exactly it's all about being intellectually no why would you want your body but not your mind like you would be like crazy but have like a six pack like I'm out that's like who you're trying to impress

exactly you could still get tons of wives with that I don't know if they didn't talk to you and they're like oh this guy doesn't remember my name he's not all there yeah like is there ever a situation where you're optimizing for something where you wouldn't want your mind but you would want your body

which by the way then i have a theory also about the fact that all that really matters is your brain and so at a certain point we should switch to robots and our brain could control robots all over the world and that is how you really achieve teletransportation true that is true you could control a robot in japan right now with your brain because at the end of the day your body's just something is almost a commodity that day after day gets older all that matters is your brain if you can preserve your brain you can live longer and it's like what is what is the thing that people want to do when they teleport do they want to experience things or they want to do things you can solve all the doing things exactly what you complain about your back hurting like all the

time now imagine having a 90 year old's body for 60 years that's okay no but the worst thing would be i can't even remember my own name i can't read i can't like i'm talking to myself in the corner like no no no no no like yeah if you lose your brain that's exactly what no but i think like a 90 year old's brain it doesn't have you don't have to be like completely out of it but i do think it probably gets a little slower it gets slower i'll gladly have a bad back because the other thing is that money could solve a bad back but it couldn't solve your brain yeah oh for sure yeah people could they get uh what's his name shannon sharps getting a hip replacement like You could get a good wheelchair, too.

Yeah, there's all kinds of things. The brain is like the last thing that money could solve, I think. And also, it's the thing that probably has the most impact on your life that you just never think about because it's like, oh, of course I'm thinking. Like we couldn't have this conversation if you didn't have your brain. Right. But if I was 90, you guys could be having the conversation and I could jump in like five minutes later and be like, I have an idea.

That's what you guys were saying. all right last question is what's the funniest story you have about your partner wait i thought of two no you only can say oh really because this is me so you can only say one go ahead you go first should i sure should i do the uh you do whatever you want you have your own brain should you the sponge one or the couch one sponge one's pretty good okay so every guy in the world is gonna side with me on this but go ahead not if they knew the circumstances. So when Anthony and I met, I was living in a small studio apartment in New York. And as we all know, those things are small, so I don't have a

dishwasher. Right. So, so first of all, and by the way, this is the only time that he has ever just voluntarily like washed the dishes. So I'm in translation. I was washing the dishes. I'm in one side of the room and there's a small separation, like half wall. And then there's like the sink. So I don't see him, but I hear that he's washing the dishes. And I'm like, wow, look at this guy. And he's like, oh, like all the dishes. And I'm like, wait a second.

So I look over and then I remember. Or what I see is he's, there's a, there's a yellow sponge that I keep there for the dishes. But that day she threw up. So that day I had decided to, um, clean the bathroom, including the toilet, including the bath, everything. And one sponge, the blue one that I used for that activity, I left on the side away from like on the side of the sink, but away from, you know, the soap area. And then I realized that he washed the dishes with the toilet. It's a lot of explaining to explain there was two sponges i didn't know that i was taking a quiz i used the sponge that looked like i should that

had been used most recently no but the one that was furthest away from one was dry one was wet i said oh it looks like she uses this one so i took was there a label on this one there was no system there was no label on the framework so i could read her mind there's two sponges just ask See, I'm self-sufficient. I didn't need to ask. I got the plates clean-ish. All right, Matteo, what do you got? So here is a funny story.

So, no, in the past, I don't know, year, we went to many different furniture stores. And so when we go to these stores, sometimes we take pictures of the different furnitures, and then we go back home and we look at the pictures again. And so most of the times, there is always a picture of her lying down on a couch, trying the couch. You got to try it. I'm always trying that. I have dozens of pictures of her trying every couch on earth in these stores, even if we have a couch.

She loves to try. It makes me look like I'm very lazy, you know? Because it's not that she's sitting properly. She's sitting like this. Like she's full of style and sleeping at the store. For Alex's birthday, I want a Twitter thread of all the couch photos. I think I deserve that because it's actually pretty hilarious. and sometimes google photos will surface the memories for him and it's like all these this

collage of me on the couches the one i was thinking about which is more of sort of like an adventure but okay for those who know mateo they know that like once he sets his mind to something he wants to make that happen and he's also pretty like adventurous like he takes a lot of risks um that's not probably like my nature but i've learned over time to embrace his risk taking so we're in italy a few years ago in the summer and we rent this small boat to go out in the water just Mateo and I and I trust him with my life I'm like you know he evidently knows how to do everything which you know he does but also we're not like totally familiar with where we are and the guy that rents us the boat says here's the places where you can go with this like small boat for two people

so you know you don't have that much gas you shouldn't go that far but Mateo's like no like I really want to go in this other part and I'm like we shouldn't because the guy told us not to go there right he told us to stay in this area i really want to go there so obviously we end up going there we get lost i'm shit scared that like we're going to be left in the middle of the open ocean he's like it's the mediterranean it's not really an open ocean okay still we were like somebody will find you two hours far away from the place where we actually had to make a turn we're lost and obviously he's like well let's use the phone and so we use google maps you're missing that the storm was coming as well and we were running out of gas so don't miss it oh my god

so we started using google maps uh because from with google maps you know you can see the cost and we understand where we are and with google maps in the middle of the ocean we figure out how to get back how does it sound like a funny story that sounds like an amazing feat of resourceful it's the encapsulation of who he is like he does this all the time and so every time we're like you know we'll be somewhere and he'll take the street we shouldn't have taken he'll do the thing people said we shouldn't do so that was the first time i experienced that with him and i'm like okay this is just how it's gonna be and i was just laughing about it and it's like i can't believe we survived thanks to google maps in the middle of the mediterranean with our small boat

but thank you very much but you got adventure out of it it was an adventure yeah that's amazing so the only story that I have about Polita that is worth telling is one of our, no, like a funny, embarrassing one is, uh, on our, uh,

one of our very first dates hanging out in New York city, we decided we were going to go to the New York public library. Why you think this is funny? I will never know. Oh, just wait. And so, uh,

you know, we meet out like outside the library or whatever we go in. First of all, I didn't realize they have like a metal detectors and like, I'm already like, what is this place? and so we start walking around and uh we go up you know two three flights of stairs or whatever we got to do and all of a sudden we're walking down the hallway and polina no we're walking

upstairs oh she's walking up the stairs okay and all of a sudden polina yelps like ah like that and literally grabs with one of her hands the back of her hamstring and like is like her like like as if she got shot and i'm like what what just happened and she has like a like a tote bag i guess or something in her hand so i grabbed that out of her hand i'm like are you okay and she's like yeah i think i just pulled my hamstring and i was like it was funny literally a nerd got she pulled her hamstring in the new york public library walking up the stairs very athletic this is probably like the fourth or fifth time we've ever hung out and i had like a serious come to jesus moment i was

like can i be with a person who could possibly pull their hamstring in the library like this is something that i would mark and make fun of somebody back in like high school or something but here we are here we are worked out you did pull your hamstring wait do you guys think that you would be together if you knew each other in high school no yeah hard no too i think it would have been a yes for you if you would have met me in high school you would have what she was a she was just there studying a nerd i was the president of my class too like i was i was popular people elected me yeah like the president of the class yeah like you got to be popular for people to vote for you yeah i could have never been seen with the president of the class

i told anthony i was like when i was in high school i was in the journalism club so i like i was like it's really cool like you go and you interview uh the principal and he was like oh god i did not want to be anywhere near the principal i was trying to avoid the principal usually when i was meeting the principal it was not uh for a good reason at least for me he was for sure filling out reports but it wasn't all right uh before we go uh plug eight sleep real quick where plan and i sleep on it every single night where should people go uh if they want to i eat sleep well given how much we talked about marriage and stuff it is the perfect bed set up what a pitch what a pitch can we tell the story of the other night of the being influencer oh my

god yeah the one that i found on my instagram yeah i'm not gonna say her name because she will eventually share uh she's sleeping in a pod but it was hilarious like i was like two nights ago i'm going through instagrams i always do because i love instagram and i see this woman who has multiple millions of followers who i follow and i love her content and she's like this young influencer entrepreneur and she says oh like I've been sleeping on this bed that I really love like me and my I don't know what the name of her boyfriend is and we really love it and I've been sleeping so great and it has this like cooling and heating technology and it's not endorsed and so you know I'll keep using it and then I'll tell y'all um how like what's the brand

once I use it more because like my aura ring is telling me like my scores are through the roof and I'm like oh my god like this has to be a pod and you my heart starts racing I'm like oh my god like she's talking about the pod of course so i dm her and i'm like she's never gonna see this like she has millions of followers i'm not blue chuck like no one's gonna see my message are we talking about kim kardashian no no that i would probably have disclosed in her boyfriend i can't remember his name but she answered she's like yeah like it is the pot and like she was so excited she's like that's amazing that you have this company and blah blah i was like that i that was so cool that's so did she post yet well she hasn't disclosed it's the pot

So then what happened is I'm a creeper. I'm just going through all her pictures where you could see the bed behind. Yeah. She started saying, Oh, I can see some dark behind the bed sheets. It's probably a pod for sure. And then she confirmed it was a pod. But so, yeah, I mean, so she is going to post, uh, well, she'll eventually like share that. It is that that's the brand name.

Yeah. I mean, how many nights do you have to sleep on it before you're comfortable saying it works? Like pretty much after night one. I agree. um so if you're a couple and you're looking for conversation starters check out the profile at the profile.sunset.com anthony doesn't think that was funny oh hey what is this game she wasn't in support of the profile yeah she did not support that pitch does she need like the profile once

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