The Pomp Podcast - AI Is About to Trigger Bitcoin’s Next EXPLOSION | Tillman Holloway

Starting point is 00:00:00 So I envision Bitcoin taking the center stage as the best savings mechanism for small businesses, for enterprise reasons, and our tool set is trying to help them make that easier and de-risk that endeavor. Owning Bitcoin is something that everybody should have. I think it's the most likely way we rebuild our middle class in America of anything that I could think of. Why? What's going on, guys? Today, we've got a great conversation with Tillman Holloway. He's the founder and CEO of ArchPublic. And in this conversation, we go really deep on agentic investing and how AI and Bitcoin are intersecting with each other. What's it going to take for people to get comfortable actually turning their money over to AI agents and having those agents

Starting point is 00:00:41 make investment decisions on their behalf? We also talk about the broader Bitcoin market and what is the catalyst that's going to be needed to turn Bitcoin around and send it back to its all-time high. And then Tillman explains how he's viewing the macro environment, what he's excited about, what he's not excited about, and how investors are using different strategies with all the volatility in the market to accumulate more of their favorite assets. All that and more in my latest conversation with Tillman Holloway. All right, Tillman, I thought a great place to start the conversation. Artificial intelligence has spooked the market.

Starting point is 00:01:08 Investors are very, very worried. We've seen software stocks sell off like 20%. Bitcoin has also sold off 20% or so. Do you think that this AI disruption narrative is a real thing? And do you think investors are going to flee out of these software stocks? Or is this just kind of short-term mispricing and we'll be back to all-time highs in many of these names over the coming weeks and months i think it's going to be more disruptive honestly than people can even get their arms around at this point i've been using it the rate

Starting point is 00:01:36 at which it is improving the functionality across multiple platforms the integrations everything that we do in the future i think will have some ai component to it i think where where we are right now is this dangerous, um, this no man's land, if you will, where we're letting it do kind of whatever it wants with its own, you know, free will this macro rule set that we don't understand. And it's somewhat of a black box to us. I think moving forward, we're going to have very specific rule sets or toolboxes that we allow AI to utilize so that we can predict a little more with a higher degree of certainty what the outcomes are going to be and the correlations of that outcome being what we want it to be, right?

Starting point is 00:02:27 Our will and the extension of AI is only as good as its ability to accomplish what we want it to accomplish, like an extension of our will. And so right now, I think it's so misunderstood that no one really understands how to use it or what its threat could be to them. I think once you start to use it, you realize that it's only as good as the prompts that you're giving it. It's only as good as the creativity by which you want it to achieve something. There's still a lot of human intervention and interaction that's needed to make AI successful or useful, in my opinion. And I think that's going to be a growing demand at a rate that you can't conceive. Like I would hire people right now for, you know, two of our companies if they could spend all day, every day focusing on improving our interaction with AI really are, you know,

Starting point is 00:03:25 that is the bleeding edge, if you will. When you think about that interaction right now, how much of it is I know what AI is capable of and I know what I want to automate, but I don't have time versus it is, I feel like we don't have enough automation. I feel like we don't have enough AI. And the reason I asked that is if it is the former where it is very well understood what needs to be automated, that's just a, are we going to spend the money to go hire these people and how much time is it going to take for them to do? What I see more and more conversation around is like, hey, the AI can do all of these different things. How do we prioritize what to use it for? What do we

Starting point is 00:04:02 actually want to automate. And this begs the question of, are you going to go and use AI to build an ERP system and so every ERP stock should immediately be worth 50% less? Yeah, no, I agree with you. And therein lies the multi-billion dollar question because it's so disruptive that we don't know what its primary use case is. We don't know what its value proposition is for tomorrow because tomorrow is not here and it's changing literally between today and tomorrow there are meaningful agents being built every single day to accomplish specific goals that we couldn't have dreamed to have accomplished from a connectivity perspective from an ease of use perspective user interface all of the above and so software software development is being

Starting point is 00:04:51 commoditized at a rate that i've never seen anything else be this disrupted this quickly i And this is, if you look at like some of the extinction events, like Blockbuster being put to rest by Netflix, for example, we thought that was fast blink. And you're going to, this, this AI revolution is a light speed faster than that. And so when you're talking about every industry being impacted, you're going to, you know, fortune favors the bold, the bolder you are with your use cases, the more flexible you are to deviate from what your plan is to what the market fit plan is that presents itself after using it. I think all those things are going to determine how quickly you adopt it,

Starting point is 00:05:39 how well you are perceived as successful in adoption of it. And, you know, public markets are going to obviously be affected as much as anything, which is going to provide a lot of volatility and volatility is a trader's dream. So I think we're going to have this notion that markets used to be this steady, predictable path to retirement. I think we're moving more towards global interconnectivity, which means the arbitrage opportunities between asset classes and across markets uh it never been larger and when you put ai and arbitrage uh automation in between those opportunities there's just a lot of money that's being made um because new markets are being added and there's a mismatch of liquidity against those two markets right so uh just massive

Starting point is 00:06:35 massive innovation massive profit harvesting massive yield harvesting just a total shift in pretty much everything. Do you think that that volatility obviously will present opportunities and pain for investors? But how are you, as you talk to these investors, what do you see people doing that is actually helping them benefit from this? And then are there certain asset classes that you think will be much more volatile? Obviously, Bitcoin has been very, very volatile compared to, I don't know, just the S&P. But now we're seeing 20% down in software stocks, that scares the hell out of a lot of people. And so is it a market-wide or is it asset-by-asset class, the volatility or range? Well, the market, we used to rewind 30 years ago and we would

Starting point is 00:07:20 rebalance our portfolios once a quarter, semi-annually or annually, depending upon how much money you had. The markets move way quicker than that now. And so that's archaic. That's not a realistic thing to think we're going to be able to rebalance on a quarterly basis going forward so you look at you know the risk across holding too much of one asset or concentration risk if you will it's only going to get worse from here so if you want to be one of those people that kind of picks and choose five little you know projects that you believe in nvidia and you're going to live and die on that sword because they're going to have their day in the sun but It's going to be a lot shorter than it ever has in the past, and it's going to be a lot steeper on both sides of the curve, right?

Starting point is 00:08:09 And so managing those opportunities, you have to have systems in place that are monitoring those peaks and troughs and placing capital in a prudent way. People being over-concentrated in their allocation of capital into any one asset is going to become a major point of contention and a major educational point going forward. And I think even the allocation of capital across different timeframes is going to become a major talking point in the financial industry because you get exposure that you wouldn't think you would get across different timeframes. We've got case studies at Archpublic that show this, that some people will be trading on a four-hour candle timeframe, for example. Some people will be trading on a 12-hour candle. Well, there'll be twice as many triggers on a 12-hour candle as a four-hour candle because the market presented those opportunities that way. There's just – I think diversification is going to be the way in which we return to normal. What do I mean by that?

Starting point is 00:09:16 Well, everyone's living and dying on the emotional swings of their net worth going up and down 40%, you know, in any given year based upon, you know, silver, for example. I mean, it's gone crazy this, this last year, gold, uh, oils now experiencing it just point at any of the tech stocks they've all experienced it. So you go, okay, well, they're all things that I want to own. So how do I own them? Well, you own them prudently with a prudent amount of your capital, and you place that capital prudently, allocating it over a healthy cost curve. And when you do that, you really can't lose, right? Then you get to ride all the roller coasters because, like my dad used to tell me, there's a new train leaving the station every day. so you just want to be at the station and you want to get on the train that's leaving every

Starting point is 00:10:08 day because that's the movement that you want to ride the the current wave and i used to i will give you a i've been in crypto for a long time 12 years and there was a group of guys that i got introduced to in nashville that were some of the heavyweights in our industry um i won't name names but they they turned me on to this concept during alt season one year where it was you know it seemed like there was this rotation and if you could get in the rhythm of the rotation you just printed money but i was missing in my naivety the fact that you couldn't have it all both ways you couldn't put all your eggs in one basket thinking you were going to be perfectly timing the symphony you just put it across everything sold the winners and put that money into losers and then every day

Starting point is 00:10:59 you just were looking at which one's winning and you just were rotating capital. And that became a very big eye-opener for me. I'd seen it done in the traditional space, but the, the, for whatever reason, the crypto and the altcoin space had made me believe that those fundamentals didn't matter anymore. And they do. And, and that's the fundamentals across every market, which is diversify, do it with money you aren't leveraged against, do it with prudent capital that's been placed over a long period of time. And if you believe in those assets and you do it across enough assets, there's going to be a winner. And if it's not every day, it's every month, it's every year, you're going to ride the wave of whatever is currently the hottest topic.

Starting point is 00:11:44 Makes sense to me. When you think about AI and Bitcoin coming together, one of the things that I see people talking about is this idea of agentic investing. And they basically want to turn their money over and they say, hey, I want this AI who's supposedly smarter than me, superhuman intelligence. I wanted to go figure out exactly what it should do. Should it buy? Should it sell? What asset? How long should it hold? All these decisions. How far away are we from that happening to the smartest, most technical people and them being comfortable putting their money in? And then how far away are we from that for mass adoption of everyday Americans being able to have the confidence to do that? I think it's a great question. First of all, I think we're

Starting point is 00:12:22 figuring a lot of this out right now. This is my opinion. My opinion is, is that we'll never get to a point whereby which AI is making all the decisions without me understanding the rule sets by which it's deciding things. And here's why. Because a lot of investing is expectation, managing personal expectations. And I've seen this, we have 17,000 customers and they all have individual expectations. There's no, they're, they're all unique snowflakes as to what they want out of life, why they want it, how they're planning on getting there, the timeframe by which they expect to get there, all these things, the cashflow that they have being generated on the side of their business, how many side hustles they have, if they are independently wealthy

Starting point is 00:13:10 and already allocated, like there's just a million things that, um, go into real life at the end of the day, money should be serving us, right? It's like quality of life time with my family. AI has to be governed by rules, in my opinion, according to what we want it to do. And that's not a, um, set it and forget it and let it do whatever it wants. It's more of a, uh, a combination of what I would call automation and AI to where the, the rule sets that you're using to put in place are no different than like mutual fund baskets or, or just their, their products that are very understood. And you understand exactly what your exposure is. You understand what you're buying, all these things, but then in conjunction with that, um, when to buy them, how much capital

Starting point is 00:14:07 by them and those are set in stone because those are you know based upon your will if you don't want you don't want an ai agent going this is an opportunity of a lifetime beth the farm and you wake up the next day and you've taken out a second mortgage on your house and you've put it into the stock market that's you don't want that right so you have to have this you know iron wall iron curtain if you will that says okay you i want you to make decisions for me i want you to buy a little bit on the dips when the dips occur. But I want you to do it according to these rule sets that I have for you to choose from. And then you've set a limiter against what it can achieve or what it can do for you. I think we're in the very beginning stages of understanding how these

Starting point is 00:14:55 interact. But it's very similar to, you know, a lot of people are talking about AI using crypto as its fundamental means of transferring value, obviously makes sense to me. Can't open up a bank account, can't sign documents, you know. So signing digitally in the blockchain is obviously a large part of that. But I don't think you want AI just to have access to your seed phrase. I don't think you want your AI to just be able to move money between your wallets. I think at the end of the day, you're going to give a wallet access

Starting point is 00:15:29 that has a very specific rule set that the AI has to work within in order to accomplish things, including secondary approvals, real world. There's a lot of real world interaction there through oracles that we could get into, but it's a little bit of a rabbit trail. Well, one of the things that I think about, so like, okay, I do want the AI to start to at least inform me, if not start making decisions. I want to give it some money. You're talking about the secondary approvals, you're talking about kind of these fail-safes, if you will. I do think that there is an element of maybe importance. So like taking more than, I don't know, 2% of my portfolio and investing it in a stock, very risky in my opinion. But hey, I've got three bank accounts

Starting point is 00:16:18 or cash accounts and moving my cash back and forth on a weekly basis based on certain levels and maybe the interest rate in which I can, or like the yield that I can generate, actually not that risky, right? You know, the worst thing it does- Manage your sweep accounts for me, find the highest yield. And yeah, that's a fantastic way to think about it.

Starting point is 00:16:37 Yeah, and so it's like, I think people are probably already there mentally as to like, hey, let technology do the low risk things, but the high risk things are obviously gonna be very important. Now, the counter to this is hedge funds been using technology to do high frequency trading for a long time and they're pretty successful.

Starting point is 00:16:52 They make a lot of money. So how do you think about that? They're making money in a way that you and I can't make money. That's a very different high frequency trading than then. There's a fine line between being a market maker and and going to jail. You can't provide liquidity to a market with an algorithm that looks like what you're talking about and at the same time take large positions in the market without getting a lot of scrutiny jane street is obviously getting a lot of scrutiny um this over the last couple weeks for

Starting point is 00:17:29 alleged concerns around that but the the the point of a market maker is to be unbiased and apply liquidity to both sides to create tight spreads and they're supposed to make money through competition on the tightest spreads that they create. They're not, they're not supposed to be creating depths of positions on either side of the spread and then using automation to drive people into liquidity events to profit. That's, that is not something that we can have in our markets without literally shaking the very foundation of trust that we find appealing in participating in the markets. So, you know, going forward, I don't think you're going to, I think the blockchain solves this. I think this is also an extension of what I would call the Bitcoin standard.

Starting point is 00:18:22 The Bitcoin standard to me is all of the intrinsic values of Bitcoin that have been written into the code, like transparency, you know, equal access, proof of work to get allocation or, you know, a very fair and equitable distribution curve. All these things are things that we want to apply to all of the markets that we participate in. And as we start to see these fallacies in the current system and we compare it to this blockchain standard that we all know about now, I think it becomes obvious that everything's going to need to be tokenized because then all the volume and all of the um trades are able to be pushed through ai and uh it's a it's a different ball game open open book play level playing field if you will so today's episode is brought to you by figure

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Starting point is 00:21:57 investing you know in relationship to some of these kind of more niche type products that seem to be gaining popularity those are just nickel slots to me like it's just like how big is the casino and how many games does it have to appeal to the broader market um it's good to me it's bringing liquidity and it's like saying is pump fun bad for the space you could argue it's bad i don't think it's bad i think bleeding technology causes a lot of bloodshed that's the reason why it's called bleeding um and the the baby in the bath water is more valuable than the bath water and the baby in the bath water is the fact that you know casinos are if you look at what's the trend in vegas right now there's a lot of fear in vegas because uh pick your poison i

Starting point is 00:22:42 mean it's like you if you want to gamble you can go gamble on coinbase now essentially with like you can find that fix in a lot of different places and doesn't have to be brick and mortar with, you know, $800 room service charge. So, you know, there's, there's these things that I think are democratizing access to the same dopamine hits that we all expect to get on a daily basis anyways. And that's just a segment of the market that this is providing access to. It's doesn't mean it's the only segment of the market. It doesn't mean it's the primary segment of the market, but it just means it is a segment of the market that's able to play on blockchain. What are you guys seeing with Arch, right? And maybe explain a little bit kind of how the product

Starting point is 00:23:23 works, but you have all these customers and you see what they're doing, both in terms of assets, what the strategies are, et cetera. What are the consumer trends that may surprise people? Yeah. We know that people want to own Bitcoin specifically, but they also want to accumulate a lot of different assets, both crypto and non. And the way in which the current system works is you would get charged a management fee, 1%, 2%, and you'd pay a registered investment advisor to offer you a set of products. And a lot of the products that our customers want aren't in that product set. So they've been pushed to go try to find ways in which they can get exposure to these assets outside of that. And when you do that, you find out there's management responsibilities.

Starting point is 00:24:14 There's lots of decisions that have to be made as it pertains to when you acquire the asset, how much you acquire, like that purchasing schedule, if you will. And so what our company does, Archpublic, is we help people create their own toolbox of software and create their own instances to where they achieve their goals in acquisition of those assets. So it's a way to intelligently dollar cost average, like I was mentioning earlier, and provide yourself a healthy cost curve when you're acquiring them. So you de-risk the acquisition of those assets, especially in highly volatile markets and highly volatile asset classes. So that's what we do. And what we're seeing right now is people love the hands-off approach. They love the de-risking

Starting point is 00:24:59 of it. There's a lot of customers that have come to us and said, you've completely shifted my mindset. I used to be chasing the green candles. Now I'm celebrating the red candles because they're providing me another opportunity to buy at a discount. And so it's rewiring what I believe to be the biggest risk in any trader, which is themselves, right? And the emotion that the markets seem to draw out in all of us. And so when you're able to set your will into a piece software that then executes whenever the market presents those opportunities, whether you're sleeping, whether you're taking your kids to school, like you're not emotionally attached to the markets anymore, having to monitor them. It's happening in the background, but it's all

Starting point is 00:25:51 according to what you want to have happen. So it's a very unique tool set. We don't know of anybody else that's doing it. I think it's going to become more and more prevalent because reallocating your asset classes and reallocating and taking risk off the table for example if you see a silver pump by you know i was in i'm a big silver guy i love silver and you talk about when i started buying it how much risk in price to uh decrease was there versus how much there is now right so you've had a change in risk in the asset class from a hold perspective So your allocation should mirror a change, just like your risk has mirrored, has it had a change. No one does that because it takes a lot of time and work. Our tools make that very easy and very seamless. And it happens, you know, to your benefit when you're sleeping. And what we're seeing right now is now, you know, Sylvia, I know is near and dear to your heart.

Starting point is 00:26:52 And we're seeing our customers actually take our software and the parameters by which they can tweak it, load that into Sylvia in conjunction with all of the charts that they have and all of the data that they've got and giving it as much data as they can. because Sylvia now has a very unique view of their personal financial picture. And it can make recommendations across all of those strategies as it pertains to how much capital should I place? What's too much? What's too little? What's an appropriate amount? And that conversation, like we are not financial advisors.

Starting point is 00:27:34 We are software providers. We can give you the excavator, but you've got to dig the hole with it. And so Sylvia now becomes an AI extension that actually will help you dig the hole. And so, you know, this marriage of AI coupled with automation, coupled with markets that are now being interconnected and interwoven, both traditional and crypto, there's just a lot of exciting opportunity out there. And I think the retail space, but also the enterprise corporate space that, you know, are wanting to add Bitcoin to their balance sheet are saying this is a very riskless way to do it or this is a very prudent way to do it. And we love helping that cause because that's near and dear to our heart. You know, owning Bitcoin, I think something that everybody should have. I think it's the most likely way we rebuild our middle class in America of anything that I could think of.

Starting point is 00:28:29 why? Well, you know, you look at the stock buybacks that are happening right now and you look at, you know, one story sticks out in my mind in particular is Jeff Bezos was talking about how he, um, he was looking when his share, when his stock price was down, I think at $10 or some ridiculous price, he was looking at all of his metrics and he was going, they're all up. How, why, why, why am I being punished for succeeding in his mind? He was such a technologist. He was succeeding because throughput was all through the roof. But the share price wasn't reflecting that. What did he do? Well, he went and bought every share he could afford to borrow and buy. The American people don't have that ability. They don't have a public entity whereby which

Starting point is 00:29:14 they can apply their savings and, you know, get a multiple value attached to that savings. Bitcoin is that. Bitcoin has proven to be that. So I envision Bitcoin taking the center stage as the best savings mechanism for small businesses, for enterprise reasons. And our tool set is trying to help them make that easier and de-risk that endeavor. So we're kind of at the nexus, if you will, of that bleeding edge. And it's exciting to see. What's fascinating to me is when you think of Bezos and the stock price being down so significantly, I think at the time he said, the company is not the stock price. The stock price is not the company. In crypto in particular, when the price goes down, sentiment goes down. And you could argue whether sentiment went down

Starting point is 00:30:04 and that led to price decreasing or vice versa. But something's got to turn it around. We don't get back to an all-time high while sentiment's in the toilet. And so what do you think the catalyst is to send us the other direction? The same catalyst that's always there is the people who are sitting on lots of dry powder waiting for the right purchase price. That's what's is the underpinning of every you know industry it's like at a certain point you draw out the big bucks and you know bitcoin has drawn out the big bucks at 60 000 i think that's incredible honestly i i if you had asked me three years ago if bitcoin was going to go up to 126 and go down to 60 and find support at 60 000 i would have said sign me up that's that's an

Starting point is 00:30:51 incredible future for us right but here we are and everybody's doom and gloom thinking it's dead i've been in so many cycles i've heard it's dead so many times i you know bet on the pattern not on the anomaly is my way of thinking you know and until the pattern's broken i think we've got something here that in my i've tried to boil it down to um it's true use case because i do think this next push of crypto is going to be solidified on utility and so bitcoin has been given a clear use case that everyone's agreed upon except for a very small group of maxis and that use case is store value and you can't argue it's a better form of money than money because i've tried to pay for hamburgers with it and it's not as good as cash. So, you know, it's like one of these

Starting point is 00:31:50 things where you have to know what the world thinks your value is in order to reach your full potential because they're the ones that are willing to pay you for that value. And I really believe with all of my heart that the fact that we're 95% through the inflationary curve of Bitcoin, the proof of work network that we built it on doesn't even matter anymore. You could get rid of it today, take all that Bitcoin onto a more energy efficient network, and it would still be Bitcoin as a store of value. Why? Well, because anything that has a fixed denominator against a growing numerator grows in value. So the fixed denominator is the 21 million coins that can or will ever be created. The numerator is the fiat currency that's being put out into the float

Starting point is 00:32:40 on the world stage. And it's not just U.S. currency. We used to measure oil was a predictor of inflation domestically, but it didn't account for the petrodollars that were being put in vaults for the oil purchase. There was a lot of funny business or gray area as it pertains to what our true inflationary rate was. That's the reason why we got off the gold standard, because they didn't want a one-to-one correlated inflation rate to the price of gold. It showed how much money we were printing scared people bitcoin you can't get around that fact and i try to tell people that are you know as layman as they get right teachers and they come to me and they go explain to me why i should own bitcoin and here's what i tell them how much has your eggs gone up

Starting point is 00:33:30 in the last five years a lot how much of your has your milk gone up in the last five years a lot Okay. Well, let's take even a further look back. How much has your parents house gone up in value since they bought it? Everything goes up in value over time. Everything. The question becomes how correlated is it directly to the money supply? And when you have cost to produce cost of transportation, all the collusion amongst suppliers, like all of the things that you can't measure, you get a perverted ratio of true inflationary tracking. Bitcoin is the perfect inflation tracking mechanism. It is a new display panel on the supercar of the finance world. And we get to look at that little dial and we get to go, wow, there's a lot of money out there

Starting point is 00:34:30 right now. I really believe that's its core value. Listen, I think Bitcoiners are unconvinced that Bitcoin is over. They still believe. There are people who I think were on the fringe. They were getting interested in the price drops. They're not as convinced. Guess who is very convinced though? Larry Fink, Jamie Dimon, all these guys, they know what's going on. They're not changing their plans. They may actually be accelerating their plans, whether it's Bitcoin directly, stable coins, tokenization, whatever the thing is, I think that there is still in the institutional world. Wall Street doesn't lose a lot when they make bets like this. When the industry-wide bet on assets, I ain't betting against them. I don't know about you.

Starting point is 00:35:16 Well, if I need something that can provide me unlimited depth of liquidity, I need something that doesn't have cost to produce attached and is impossible to be replicated. If eggs get too high, if eggs get to a hundred dollars a dozen, people are just going to have chickens in their yard. Right? You can get around all of that. Bitcoin, you can't. It's done. You either own it or you don't. And so if you keep injecting fiat liquidity into that equation, it only aids the people who are the market makers with more liquidity in the markets, which is a good thing for everybody. It allows them to create broader markets across more participants and allow more people to interact with those markets. And we're seeing that. I mean, CME, and I would argue that

Starting point is 00:36:08 traditional markets are somewhat dead from a retail perspective. I think they've lost their luster. I think the GameStop piece was the last time I thought that retail cared to any degree about traditional markets. And I think that's sad. I think that, uh, you know, learning the fundamental skill of using your money to make you money versus you using your hours to make you money. We should be majoring on here in the United States. We, we are, we, we are the Kings of that or the Queens of that. So why wouldn't we be educating our kids as to how to utilize the markets to our advantage at a level where, you know, you're getting out of college and you already have a significant investment portfolio that you've accumulated over time. And I do think

Starting point is 00:36:56 this thousand dollars that are being gifted to the, to the, you know, newborns, that's a powerful notion. Time value of money. Most people do not understand. Now, Einstein said, you know, laws of compounding, you're either a slave to it or you're a master of it. So, you know, if you take a thousand dollars at a very early age in someone's life and you just put it to work in the markets, I don't think most people understand the power of that. And I think that we need to use Bitcoin as a core example of that because Bitcoin is just an accelerated version of it uh it's just a macro version of it i um i completely agree uh before we let uh everyone go where where can we find out about uh arch public and also we got a webinar that we're doing

Starting point is 00:37:41 uh that we should we should mention as well yeah very excited about the webinar we already have a lot of people you know registering pre-registering i think it's tomorrow so if you if you're interested in learning more about the software and how it can help you manage the volatility the markets, and yield farm, the volatility. We'll be more than happy to show and tell that tomorrow. Just go in the description. We'll put a link in the description. Yeah. Go to archpublic.com if you want to download the software and use it. It's completely free to use if you are investing less than $10,000 a year into any of these assets. So we want you to use it. We think it's going to provide exceptional value to you. If you're an enterprise customer

Starting point is 00:38:22 or corporate customer and want to create serious strategies around accumulation and divesting and yield farming, then reach out to us. We have a concierge division that can be very specific to those needs. Amazing. All right. Well, thank you so much for taking the time to do this. Tell me when we'll do it again in the future.

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