The Pomp Podcast - Bill Pulte, CEO of Pulte Capital: Bitcoin and the Ultimate Giveback

Episode Date: September 2, 2019

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make a particular investment or follow a particular strategy, but only as an expression of his opinion. This podcast is for informational purposes only. All right guys, bang bang. I'm here with Bill Pulte. As many of you know, he's been doing some pretty inspiring work on Twitter, essentially just giving away money and trying to inspire some people. So you came to New York City to record this. I really appreciate you taking the time and I think that people are really going to enjoy this. So you've got a different story than most people in that you somehow ended up giving out money on Twitter. Let's start from the beginning. You're born in Florida and kind of how do you get from there to what you're doing today? Yeah, born in Boynton Beach, Florida,

grew up in Boca Raton. My whole family was from Michigan, so kind of had the northern midwestern blood, but lived in Florida. And I think, you know, Florida gave me a great perspective. My father was a big home builder down there, so luxury homes is what my dad builds. My grandfather built production homes. What's the difference between those two? Well, production is, you know, when you're building one to, let's say, 3,000 homes at a time. You know, when you're building many homes, you're having subdivisions, those kind of things. My dad was building, you know, $10 million to $70 million homes, you know, on the southeast shore of Florida.

So, you know, I knew enough about building to be dangerous, but I didn't have maybe the design talent that my grandfather had. And so I had a bunch of different interests than my dad and my grandfather. And so, you know, grew up down there, learned the business, then went to school and went from there. And where'd you go to school? Northwestern. All right. And I know the answer. You studied journalism there. I did. What was driving the interest in journalism and kind of media? You know, I've always been fascinated by the fact that you can do things in mass. One of the things that, you know, my grandfather really taught me, I think my grandfather really taught me how to think. And I was very close with him. He died when he was 85. So I had the benefit

really of knowing him from let's call it 78 to 85. And he really taught me about, you know, mental prisons, how to think differently, that there's no such word as can't. And so, you know, I was always fascinated in broadcasting that basically, you could reach a lot of people very quickly with an idea and that you could mobilize people in numbers. And I think that's why I was so interested in it. Now, having said that, I realized that my family wasn't going to enable me. One of the things my father did was he had me work from a young age on job sites, literally cleaning out behind porta potties to teach me the value of a dollar. That was something he was very intent on. And so I knew when I graduated from college that my father would basically say,

hey look billy that's what they call me that's what they did call me uh you know billy you got to go out and you got to make your own living and so i said well if that's the case and you know i i want to be able to do as much as i can long term i got to go out and make money and so that's why i pivoted into business got it and uh what's your take on kind of the state of journalism media today right it's a unique perspective to have kind of been trained as a young kid in business and home building go in and study in a more kind of classical or academic uh environment media and then today uh i'll call you a citizen journalist to some degree sure because you're leveraging some of these platforms that i say in many ways what we are doing is journalism i mean basically what

we do is there are people all throughout the country that have you know crises that are in need and we need to get that message out to people because my experience has been especially the last eight weeks when somebody's in crisis and you can communicate that properly to people. People want to help. I mean, people, we're all human beings at the end of the time. We have all these constructs, you know, we're here in New York City, this is a big building, you know, we get caught up in all these, you know, physical things that in my mind are just, you know, inventions of the mind. And sometimes we forget that feeling, that human interaction. And, you know, that's what I think is so important for what we're doing. Got it. So before we get into the Twitter

philanthropy stuff. Um, you go from the studying journalism to today, you've got kind of two separate bodies of work with Pulte Capital and then, uh, the inner city blight, uh, work that you're doing. Maybe give us an overview of both of those different bodies of work. Well, because I knew I had to make my own money out of college, I went and worked for somebody else, learned how to buy companies. And then I went out and I raised a lot of money from a bank, which I was very fortunate to have happen and you know it didn't actually have to do with my family was actually a big bank they lent me five and three quarters million bucks a bank did because I had a really good business went out bought that business and then slowly but surely

just you know worked my you know what off and that was definitely interesting being a young guy having people who were older than me and whatnot but after frankly making a lot of mistakes I was able to go out and buy other companies and you know fortunately I've been able to make you know a lot of money you know tens and tens of millions of dollars on my own independent from my family and so that you know experience in business and making money is partially why I got involved in inner city blight you know as I started making money I started saying to myself you know one of the things that my grandfather had taught me in terms of how to think was really that you know things can be solved. And it's just often how we're thinking about the problem. And so I can

get an inner city blight if you want. But basically, how I think about the inner cities is that these are the forgotten people, the United States. In many cases, there are large African American populations. And, you know, many politicians, Republicans and Democrats just go there when they need, you know, votes and those kind of things. But meanwhile, if you go into these inner city neighborhoods, there's abandoned buildings, there's trash, there's debris, nobody should live like that in America. And I actually drove through Detroit when I was, I don't know, 24, I think. And I was so pissed to see how some of these kids were walking to school. I mean, I could just feel it viscerally. I was just angry, you know? And I said, there's no reason,

you know, I mean, I grew up in a home building family and I grew up with my dad building these exquisite things that were like pieces of art. And meanwhile, we can't tear down this piece of crap that's, you know, scaring the living hell out of a girl who walks to school every day. she's afraid she's going to get raped in Detroit. This is crazy. So that's really what got me, you know, fired up about it. And I pitched my grandfather on it because, you know, I knew that he knew how to think about things differently. And he says, Billy, I wouldn't touch that with a 10 foot pole. He says, I'd stay far away from that. He says, all those politicians are crooked. You know, I remember the exact phone call. I called him back two weeks later. I said,

we got to do this. I said, this is just crazy. Detroit's got 30,000 abandoned homes. We got to do something and so we went and pitched the mayor and i can tell you more about that but got it so before we get into the blight stuff um the companies that you're uh buying and selling and kind of running any specific industry focus there or interest or just looking for sustainable profitable business all in building products home building products um i've done very well in heating and air conditioning um and these are service businesses or these are mostly service businesses the one business that i have is a countertop business it's manufacturer um which is a challenging you know it's it's it's you know manufacturers in many cases can be tougher than

service businesses um but i've had experience in both of those got it i uh i've got a friend who um he's built a pretty nice business going and acquiring a lot of these service providers uh and what he looks for is he looks for uh trade-based service companies and he says you know the one thing that the machines the algorithms the software will never be able to do is lay the electrical wires yeah that's exactly right that type of stuff and well see so i took the approach you know in school a lot of other people wanted to go learn technology and they wanted to go start at the next silicon valley thing you know i'd been kind of trained in that blue collar uh you know builder trade mentality you know sweeping out floors and homes that's kind of my dna and so

i i knew that there was inherent value in doing that and to your point you know at least now robots and technology can't replace those things and so you know meanwhile you know here i am 24 years old everybody's going into app development and web development and then boom here i am you know looking like a total knucklehead i'm saying in terms of when i first started out my friends all thinking you know you're leaving you know finance to go do this and i went and bought these heating and air conditioning companies and it turns out i'm pretty good at owning an air conditioning company because it's just people yeah and and it's just treating people right and frankly getting them out of their mental prisons to help grow those businesses. And we've been very successful

at doing that. It's funny because a lot of the aspects you deal with in those companies is one, people like you said, but two, it's customer service. It's being on time, right? It's pretty simply understood things. They're just really hard to execute because you have to be disciplined, right? You really have to make sure that the experience that you're delivering for the person on the end of the service is up to the standard because most of your competitors probably aren't. That's correct. And today's day and age, obviously, things are so short. You have so quick to get people's attention span that, you know, a bad service experience immediately will make its way into a Google review.

And that's one of the things. My companies all have great Google reviews. I mean, it's like, you know, we want to make sure we are interacting with the customer perfectly as, you know, as we humanly can. Yeah. And so let's transition to the inner city blight because one of the reasons when I first saw you doing this, And I should tell folks that, uh, so I had heard of, uh, Bill, um, because I believe one of my partners, Mark Yusko is your dad's college roommate. Is that right?

I don't know if they were roommates, but definitely friends. Yeah. Okay. So they're friends in college and, and he had told me about you and your family and everything, but, but we'd never met. And, uh, one day I see him start tweeting a bunch and start paying attention. Uh, and so when I looked and saw the inner city blight stuff, the thing that immediately struck in my head was if you change someone's environment you can change the person right and

i think you're talking about some of this with their mindset and if you literally take somebody out of a dire situation you then put them uh in a situation where the environment looks different the people they're surrounded with or the people they spend their time with the expectations change etc um and to me it feels like that's some of what you're doing here but you're attacking the problem rather than just taking people out of the environment you're saying look actually let's just improve those environments that's right i mean a lot of people focus on like education and inner cities great cause 100 we need more of it but at the end of the day if kids can't walk to school safely because they're afraid of getting dragged into these abandoned buildings and raped that's

a problem and so that's really where i focused on it pomp and when we go in and we knock down these abandoned buildings what happens is the morale of people i mean it's almost like that you become in a psychological toxic prison in some of these neighborhoods and you're surrounded by these homes and you just you can feel just how you know how it is and you're just like you know how can anybody feel good about themselves when they're waking up with a fire burnt structure and they don't know whether that structure some people have a structure next to them they think it's going to fall on their house every day these people wait i mean this is in america yeah i mean i've had veterans tell me that it's you know better in some cases in iraq than it is in some

of these neighborhoods that can't happen and so what we do is we fundamentally go in we got 10 blocks and 10 days gone of blight in detroit so let's talk about the very first one right so my understanding is uh you guys go to as the mayor of detroit yeah mayor bing right and what was the pitch to the mayor on kind of the first uh effort well the previous mayor before him had gone to jail actually for uh siphoning demolition funds and other things i think and so we went into him and we said look you know us you know we're the polties we know what we're doing uh let us go into a 10 block area and let us do it and you know they talked about the different things the racial components these type of things which i've gotten you know very good at understanding and you

know because you know this is where people live too you know you've got to be very you got to work with the community the community is is who's most important it's the same thing uh bill gates and melinda gates they say all the time that one of the biggest lessons they've learned in their philanthropic efforts right which um what you're doing is kind of a public private partnership type model but uh if you don't have the buy-in of the community whether it's in you know some city where you're trying to put literally mosquito nets all the way to just remove blight from their community uh if you don't have their buy-in you know you're basically fighting an uphill battle that you probably won't win that's right right and who wouldn't want to do that i mean unless

you've got some nefarious intent to build there or something else which obviously i don't but you know if you're doing it for the right altruistic reasons engaging with the community is what you want to do in your heart and it leads to a better outcome yep so you guys say okay look there's a 10 block area we want to go into. And literally, we're just going to knock down the structures that are less desirable. We're going to kind of clean up all the brush and the blight and then just remove it. Is that kind of what we ask the community what they want? So in most cases, when you go into these neighborhoods, they say, oh, you know, that house is a crack house. That house is a prostitution house. Oh, see that? See those, you know, brush and debris over there.

That's where a prostitute lives. I mean, this is literally what happens when we go into these areas. So yes, very quickly we identify, you know, where are the prostitutes, where are the drug addicts and whatnot. My biggest thing is that I work with, in that case, the mayor, but then I have to go and I get the governor involved. I mean, it's almost like, you know, in some ways you're, you know, you're, you know, almost like a politician, you're a governor, you know, you're almost like a government and, you know, you have to know how to do all that. Okay. And so you get the mayor and you get the governor and you get the county and you tell them all, hey, look, you guys got to play ball here there are real human beings who are suffering in these areas and usually when

i'm involved they all start to play nice so we identify the structures we get everybody to play nice we get the proper permitting we get the job done got it and and um part of this is uh on that last step that execution of getting the job done it's not just hey here's a bunch of out-of-towners who walk in and they're going to kind of tear apart our community and remove these structures the locals you actually and we try to give them a career so for example a guy named taryn score great guy learned how to do asbestos removal uh environmental removal he's now actually has a full-time job he lived within this perimeter um you know had no job and we're going in there and trying to do that so we try to make it a win-win but this is fundamentally transforming neighborhoods

we went into the city of pontiac michigan at 900 structures when i showed up there by the end of this year we think we'll have zero structures that are abandoned in the city of pontiac we'll have eliminated with the mayor she did all the work you know i mean we were great partners but um we knocked down she didn't do all the work but we all you know we're all partners we we knocked down with them 900 plus abandoned buildings uh property values are up if you would have put one million dollars in when we first started today it'd be worth seven million dollars according to some uh research house violent crime in the city of pontiac big area for murders and stuff historically is down 38 since our blight removal efforts so what i'm

talking about is fundamentally transforming inner cities and we've done it you hear a lot of talk and that kind of stuff, this model can work. And would you agree that it's less expensive to remove the blight than it would be to, let's say, build new things, right? Like from a cost perspective, it's more efficient to remove bad stuff. Well, you have to remove that stuff before you even build, right? Like, let's say it's like four steps, like step four is building or something like that. Step one is get rid of the trash and the crap and the debris. I mean, it's like in your own home, like, you know, oh, you're going to have a dinner party, which would be the equivalent of like you know building something well you can't have anybody over if you just a bunch of crap

everywhere and and so what we're doing is going into the community and saying hey look we know the government's failed you in these aspects we're going to partner with the government you know be nice and let's just get rid of these buildings what's been or debris or boats i mean we found 12 boats can you believe that 12 boats in one perimeter in detroit people just dump stuff white suburbanites, and I love them because I love everybody, but they come in and they dump this stuff. It's terrible. These people should be arrested. Yeah. And what's been the historical challenge to getting this stuff cleaned up? Is it a government inefficiency? Is it just people don't care, so they don't even try? Or what's been the challenge as you've kind of learned more

about this? I think it's having a very good, competent leader who can get everybody to work together and play ball. You know, the good news is in terms of this model is some, uh, some people already doing this model pretty good because they have good, good leadership. So I think, you know, good leadership leads to that. There's many cities in the United States that are making a good impact and we're looking at just maybe kind of supercharging what they're doing for sure. Um, and before we move on from this, just talk about, so when you go and you identify these structures, right, you walk into a community and they say, Hey, that's the crack house, right? And it's some sort of less desirable structure, what's the actual process of removing it?

Do you go in with, like, the wrecking ball? Do you go with, you know, 10 people and sledgehammers? Like, how do you actually take down a structure and remove the debris? It's a great question. What's so unique about our model is the government has historically gone, you know, kind of scattershot. So they do one home in one area of the city. Then they do another home. Then they do another home.

And it would be all over the map. What we've done is, because we're very experienced in home building and in production building, we we've come up with economies of scale so we go into that specific area and we concentrate the demolitions and by doing that we get economies of scale why and we just did this in st louis jack dorsey and i founder of twitter just went into st louis and we cleaned up her perimeter and literally if you were there at the press conference you'd see this big yellow truck and you'd see two homes and then and then behind it you'd see two other homes well you don't need to pay a guy to go out there to knock down one structure and then knock down another structure

No, you use that same truck or that same tractor, and you go and knock them down, and you get that efficiency. So, you know, in terms of the permitting, what we try to do is maybe be a little bit more different than the government. The government says, oh, we're only going to knock down, and I'm just generalizing. In most cases, it says we're not going to knock it down if somebody else owns the property. We say we don't give a damn who owns the property. These things need to come down. So we'll go up to Mr. Smith or Mrs. Smith, and we'll say, hey, you know, Mr. and Mrs. Smith, you can keep property ownership. We did this actually in St. Louis. And we said, we'll pay, you know, charitably nonprofit for the demolition.

You keep the property. And it's kind of a win win. Got it. And you keep talking about the permitting. What does that process look like? Because I think a lot of people when they see this, like, oh, how hard could it be? You just pull up and knock down the structure. I'm sure that there's a pretty arduous process that you go through to be allowed to do this. Maybe just talk a little bit. You have to look out for property ownership. I mean, you know, there's laws. And so really the cities who've done it well is they try to notify the owners and tell them, look, you know, you're leaving your building burned or abandoned or, you know, decrepit and it's harming people. You go through a process. Some cities at our urging have created what's called the blight court, which is basically where you can put these things through and, you know, foreclose, you know, and the government can foreclose on them. I mean, these aren't, these aren't people living in these homes. These are, these are speculative investors. You don't give a damn about the people living in the area. So the city goes in and they, they, they do the right thing, which is either get, get it or get the ability to knock it down.

And I'm guessing if you're an investor and you know, you have this, one of the things that you've left it there is because it's expensive to knock it down. So somebody says, Hey, I'll knock it down for you. And you keep the property and then you could go build or do whatever you wanted as the owner. It's probably actually a positive or something that they look at, um, beneficially. yes that right yeah it's it's i mean the the joy on people's face is unbelievable i mean people clapping when they see these demolition i mean people smiling hugging crying you know saying i've waited 20 years for this building to be knocked down yeah it's a it's it's a beautiful thing yeah and and it's funny how you described each community knows the good areas and the bad areas right and and when they live in the community it's it's the whole idea of like community policing right it's just the people that are there they know their community they You know, the good people, the bad people, the good areas, the bad areas.

And when you get their buy-in, now what you're doing is you're really empowering those people to clean up their own community, right? They just don't have that truck, right? They don't have the ability to navigate the courts and the permitting process to be allowed to knock that stuff down. So it's pretty incredible. And you can see why I'm so passionate about it is because these are, like, the most vulnerable Americans who can't get a truck, who can't get a tractor to knock down the building. They didn't do anything wrong. And so that's why I just feel so strongly that we need to go in there and help these people. For sure.

All right. So you go from buying up home air conditioning companies, heating companies, knocking down structures to. That's all charitably, by the way. You know, that's one thing to point out. The Blight stuff is all nonprofit. For sure. And next thing I know, you're on Twitter and you go from essentially non-existent on Twitter to now probably one of the most engaged, largest accounts on the platform. Just what have you been doing?

How did this come about? Where did the Twitter philanthropy kind of passion come from? Well, it comes from the same passion as the blight work, which is fighting for those who are vulnerable and taking care of the poor. You know, I've been fortunate to have a lot of money and and a lot of other people have a lot of money. But the way to deploy the money, in my opinion, is so broken in the sense that you have to go through all this rigmarole. You know, you have to fill out all this paperwork. And, you know, you and me being young guys, being of this generation, I'm saying, you know, this is such an amazing thing to be able to give money. How come we're not using technology for it?

And so I had this idea basically when I was sitting out on my porch in northern Michigan. Well, actually, I'd had the idea for about nine months, to be honest with you. Okay. I'd been thinking about giving away money for a long time on Twitter. All right. I mean, why not? Yeah. Well, no one had done it before, so that would be one reason why not.

Yeah. Did you think that if you started doing this, it would just immediately work? I knew it would get interest. You know, I knew people at first. You know, in my businesses, what I've been able to be successful at is getting people outside of, And again, I don't mean to bring it up again, but I feel very passionate about mental prisons because I believe so much of what we think is, you know, not able to be done is just how we're thinking about it. And so I knew that people would be in their quote unquote mental prisons when I started to put out that money was there. Right. People were thinking, oh, no, you know, Twitter is, you know, an organic place.

You know, it has to you know, it has to be based off of this or it has to be based off of news. So I knew it would change the paradigm. I guess I just didn't know how much of a, you know, nerve it would hit for sure. And, um, do you remember the first thing that you did? What do you remember how much you gave? Yeah. 10 grand, 10 grand. Okay. So the first one is, Hey, I'm going to give out $10,000, uh, to whoever says the best cause or something like that. Got it. And it went viral immediately. And what was the cause? Uh, well, I ended up giving it to veterans. That's actually how I met code of vets, which is this great veterans organization that we work with. Um, and the reaction to that first one,

are people i'm assuming that there's plenty of people who hey i got a cause right they're kind of um you know very receptive to this but there's also probably folks who are uh less receptive maybe they are um a little measured in the you know what's the catch type situation or what's his angle did you see that at first or was it i still see it i mean i would say that our society has gotten to a point where like if i say pomp i love you and if i genuinely mean like i love you Um, you know, not only do you probably get goosebumps and it feels a little bit uncomfortable, but that's what we've come to expect, expect out of society. We can't say love you to anybody anymore, you know? And you're, and if you say, I love you, then it's like, well, what,

what's wrong with that guy? Well, we were all raised. I mean, at least I was in, in many people were raised to, you know, to love one another. And so all I'm trying to do is get people to love one another. And, you know, I'll tell you, while I do get sad sometimes to see how some people respond, one of the patterns that I've noticed is that the people who aren't happy with what we're doing, first of all, nine, you know, my opinion is, you know, 99% of people like it. Let's call it the 2% who don't are the people who either didn't get the money, right? So, you know, they didn't get the money or number two, they're not dying of cancer. They don't have their teeth falling out there. They didn't just have their son, you know, literally blow off their head

because he came back from Afghanistan with PTSD, you know? So, so in terms of that, I don't really care. You know what I mean? That's one thing that I think is good about me is I don't really care what people think. I just want to get the job done. I, um, I want to talk a little bit before we get into like the hardcore philanthropy stuff, just about Twitter in general first. And, and, um, A lot of people ask me, you know, hey, how do you grow your account? How do you do all this stuff? And I think you've done it better than anyone. And one of the things I tell them is you have to have really thick skin, right?

Or you have to not care what people say because the detractors or the folks who have a negative viewpoint will be the loudest, right? And I do think that if you look across a lot of these large accounts on Twitter and other platforms as well, but specifically Twitter, because it's so conversational, they have really, really thick skin and they are able to just kind of roll right through the detractors and not let it faze them. Yeah. Right. Right. Embarrassment is often a mental prison that we create. And, you know, the only way to not be embarrassed in my experience is to actually embarrass yourself, to put yourself through, you know, bad feeling through feeling crappy. But once you do that, you come out the other side, you come out pretty good. So I actually, you know, I sometimes I'm a human.

I mean, obviously, I'm a human being. So sometimes I get angry. I find that I'm happier than I've ever been. i've generally always been a happy person but this has just made me i mean very happy it's quite incredible well when you give you receive and and i i knew it intellectually i knew it because i had been raised by my grandfather in part who you know gave hundreds of millions of dollars away uh and he did so privately um toward the end of his life he gave away a building publicly to try to inspire others, that's what actually helped jumpstart this whole thing. But really, until I started giving, did I not fully appreciate how much giving how good giving

felt. You know, we run around every day. And, you know, we're all focused on Oh, you know, my thing is the most important thing. And we're all caught up in our own heads. And, you know, if we just step back for a moment, and we look at things, and we focus on other people, it's amazing what can happen your whole life transforms when you start to give for sure on that topic we've previously talked about this idea of kindness and generosity being a viral product right when you know you say hey look I saw my grandfather do something it was inspiring to do it yourself I think that that's an element of what is kind of caught the lightning in a bottle if you will on Twitter with Twitter philanthropy is people see you giving and it

inspires them to want to be kinder, to be more generous to people. Do you get the sense that that's playing out in the real world? Or do you think it's more kind of people tweeting about it, but maybe not actually putting it into action? Oh, no, they're putting it into action. I mean, the vast majority of what we're raising now is from, you know, other people, hundreds, thousands of people doing it. I mean, I say, I'm only one person, you know, Bill Pulte. I mean, yeah, can I give millions of dollars away, you know, throughout my life and these type of things? fine, but I'm just a drop in the bucket in the grand scheme of the whole need of the world. And so for me, what's interesting is getting literally tens of thousands, if not hundreds

of thousands of people to give. That's when the numbers start to get really big. And you see me doing these giveaways and everything. And I communicate this with my followers who I call teammates because they are my team. And I say to them, look, I'm going to use my capital to help grow our follower base, to help grow our team. But I really need all of you guys to step in to be able to back me up in terms of these individual causes, you know, and I, I do contribute to some of these causes, but, but again, the, the, the thing that I'm mostly focused on is how can I invest tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands of my dollars to build this platform of kindness and generosity? Yeah. And part of it, what you're talking about, so let's, let's dive into the

mechanism, right? Essentially what you're doing is you're saying, Hey, I'm going to give everything from i think i've seen a hundred dollars five hundred a thousand five thousand ten thousand i'm gonna give a car right all these different things um you're essentially putting a carrot out in the world right and you're saying spread this message right retweet this message to as many people as possible and there's a waterfall of effect to it so there's a bunch of people who see the tweet right i mean many of these tweets have gotten 50 100 000 retweets um then some of those people go and say hey who the hell is bill polte right why is he giving out ten thousand dollars right um they go and check the uh your account or they go and they follow you and they

start to build this and what they realize is this isn't a one-time thing right you're actually doing it on a consistent basis and you really are pulling all of these people into this twitter philanthropy movement or community the part that becomes interesting to me is it's not just tweets about hey i'm going to give ten thousand dollars right my favorite ones i think that you've done or when you share like a GoFundMe page. Those are my favorite too. And you can see what you've really done is you've created a fire hose of traffic of like-minded people who want to be kind, who want to be generous,

and who want to support each other. And who want to feel better about themselves. You know, that's one of the biggest things I think of this movement. And, you know, it's nice talking with you about it because I haven't thought about all these things. I just do more off of viscerally and instinct. But, you know, I think one of the beautiful things about this is that people are looking after others, but they're also looking after themselves and they're realizing that mentally, you know, especially today's day and age where, you know, so many people are in antidepressants and these type of things. And we need those because there are some people who have some serious, real issues, chemical issues. But, you know, we've we've and this gets back to some of the mental thinking is, you know, we've been so focused on, you know, ourselves that sometimes that can be toxic to our own brains.

And so, you know, when we're focused on ourselves and when we're internal and these kind of things, it actually is a pathway to make us unhappy. And so by focusing on other people, what you quickly discover is that you actually internally feel a lot better. And your mental psyche, and again, I'm not giving anybody advice. This is just, you know, my experience, one guy, how it feels, and I see other people too. But mentally, you know, psych-wise, you just, you feel a lot better. I mean, you know what I'm talking about, right? Yeah, yeah. Well, and part of it, so let's dive into some of the stories of people that you've helped, right?

So one of the big ones was there's a gentleman who you guys gave a car to, right? Maybe talk a little bit about who he was, why he needed a car, and kind of how you put together getting him from I need a car to now I got a car. Well, I would say that the veterans are so important. These people go over there, they fight, and they come back with scars and not scars. And in these cases, people hear these veterans who, you know, went over there and maybe didn't have enough time to get ahead, and, you know, they need a little bit of help. So, you know, one of the veterans that we helped was a homeless man, great guy, had a good job, was living in a transition home, so he had a home, but he didn't have a way to get to work. And so we got him a brand new car. Great guy.

That was a big one. Another story that, you know, I think is so impactful because it just gets back to thinking better and feeling better is a lady named Karen. She's out of Minnesota, and in June, I believe, she was given six months to live, and she has lung cancer. She was part of that whole Erin Brockovich asbestos thing. She drank something in a well, or I don't totally know the whole story, but she was given six months then. She has four months to live. In last week, we raised her $8,000. dollars you would have thought this was like you would have thought she was like a seven-year-old

you know getting christmas presents at santa claus she said she said you know that she was singing and dancing in her kitchen and she was happy this is somebody who has four months left to live and and she's looking at life like oh my god you know this is amazing and these people love me and they care for me hundreds of people donated to her go fund me i mean that's the power of the movement that's the power of what we're doing and that's truly authentic you can't replicate that you can't fake that you can't do that i mean that's somebody who has i mean it doesn't get worse i mean in my opinion you know unless you're dying right now but you know to be given four months left to live and to know that you're dying i mean she can't even be on the phone with me

except she coughs so much so you know those are the stories i mean we raised another you know we raised you know i put it out last night to raise three grand i think for somebody and i think she got like five plus grand a lady who's terminally ill with brain cancer that that's how do you source these like like how do you decide who uh you're going to share which stories are uh are real and worth sharing versus um the hundreds of people who are asking for help but you know you just can only help so many people my teammates are the best and when i say the teammates you're always going to get the scammers out there and these kind of people but the teammates are people who are good americans good human beings who just want to help other people and what they'll do

pomp is they'll tweet out at me and i read a lot of things i mean i you know a lot of people say oh and they say it all the time in my messages oh i doubt you'll read this why i read a lot of those but i get a lot of these stories one of the amazing things are reporters reporters at the local news stations they'll tweet something out one of my one of my followers which i call teammates because they are teammates will do their job which is to basically scout for this thing boom to pick something up and then i'll run with it um like last week there was a situation in detroit where a girl who was nine years old was mauled by dogs these dogs just attacked her and she was riding on her bike she was nine years old and so you know i saw that one of my follow one of my

followers teammate uh sent it out and boom i posted it and within you know minutes the thing was was skyrocketing so it's it's getting these needs and then you know communicating that to people it's really what you're doing is you're amplifying the people right you said in the beginning of kind of giving a voice to these people who voice to the voiceless yeah they they've they've done everything they can to try to get help in the sense of um they've explained what the cause is they've put it on something like a gofundme etc uh and you kind of come along with really rocket fuel right and you're able to take that and put in front of the people who actually want to help and are interested in it um are you worried about getting scammed like are you worried

about, uh, somebody says, Hey, I need help. And it ends up not being real or how do you kind of look, I've said that, you know, everybody needs to do their own due diligence and they need to do their own due diligence. But from my perspective, just speaking in my own opinion, you know, if I can help 90% of the people, and I'm not saying it's that number, but if I can help 90% of the people and I get scammed 10% of the time, I'll do that all day long. Cause that's, that's 90% people who we helped that otherwise wouldn't have been helped. So that's just kind of my general psychology on it. Uh, you know, I, I utilize my other teammates, many of these teammates, I mean, pop, it's unbelievable. I mean, I've got teachers who have day jobs who come home and they

want to work on this and they vet issues. And yes, we found scams before we've, you know, seen that people have multiple go fund me. So, you know, as much as we can, we try to do, but everybody needs to do their own homework for sure. Um, and then how do you select, right? So when you do one of these, Hey, I'm going to give a call or I'm going to give $10,000, whatever it is uh and these things i mean when i talk about going viral some of these tweets go more viral than when movie stars tweet and stuff right i mean we're talking a hundred thousand retweets um you've got to be talking about you know millions of impressions if not tens of millions of impressions how do you pick who to give it to well we're going to be sharing all of that soon

so i don't want to get ahead of myself there but um you know i would say that what's been so exciting has been that people who are participating in these things the best ones are where people say you know what i wanted to win money but now i don't even care about the money i just want to start being a part of this whole thing and that's when i know that what we're doing is is it's pretty special yeah well and i think that goes back to the idea of the kindness and generosity being viral right it literally is uh inspiring that there's a um a twitter account I'm going to forget who it is, unfortunately. But I've seen them tweet at you and say, hey, you inspired me.

I'm not going to give out dollars. I'm going to give out some Bitcoin, right? And they've literally started to, it's not a lot, right? A hundred bucks, $200. That's a lot. But to the right person at the right time, that can be pretty impactful. $5 is a lot. $5 changes people's lives.

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It's whatever direction people want it to go. It's not mine. It's theirs. It's 100% flexible. And in some ways, I think that's very representative of cryptocurrency and, you know, Bitcoin. You know, Bitcoin, you know, and you know more about this than me, but, you know, it's really dependent on, you know, the various nodes and the various, you know, people who are participating in it. The network is what makes Bitcoin Bitcoin. Twitter philanthropy, the network is what makes Twitter philanthropy.

You know, and so I very much subscribe to the idea of, you know, the power is with the people and the power should be with the people. And I think, you know, in many ways, cryptocurrency does that. I'll give you another example. In many of these situations with many of the people who are helping, some of these people don't have bank accounts, specifically in the inner cities in the United States where we've done a lot of good work. You know, many people, good, hardworking Americans, they don't have bank accounts. And so what Cash App and, you know, PayPal and Stripe and these things they do is they allow people who are literally broke or in crisis situations to be able to get it. And I think, you know, long term, you know, there needs to be a better way to get resources to these people. And I think cryptocurrencies is, you know, one of those ways.

It's got a potential, yeah. You mentioned the Cash App, which obviously has done a great job facilitating people buying Bitcoin. but also for something like this where it is sometimes very urgent, right, where somebody literally will tweet at you and just say, hey, I need 200 bucks. I need groceries, yeah, on the cab ride on the way over. I was talking to the cab driver, and I said, excuse me, sir, one second, because I had seen some lady said she needed groceries, and I sent her some money for groceries right there.

And you're able to do it just on the Cash app. They literally just give you their cash tag, right, and you can fire it out. And then obviously it's very effective when you can then also say to others, hey, here is the address, right? It kind of circumvents the legacy banking infrastructure that, again, it works for a lot of people, but for some people it doesn't. Well, think about if you wire money or something like that. I mean, how long does that take? A little while. You know, so I think we're just in the infancy here. I think we're in the first inning.

For sure. One of the things I want to talk about is the amounts of money, right? Everyone can get excited about the the ten thousand dollars the car the you know all that kind of stuff but the ones to me that feel like they are the most impactful are that hundred dollars for groceries or the you know um there was a gentleman who uh he didn't have teeth or he had bad teeth right and i think that you guys basically helped um him get new teeth yeah you saw that yesterday right you see the before the guy having no teeth and then after you know and by the way he's got a smile in terms of you never seen a smile like that right you can't pay for a smile like yeah it's incredible um or you know probably my favorite story and by the way that guy was in almost like

becoming a recluse good looking handsome guy and you know didn't even have self-confidence to go out because you know he didn't have teeth yeah and boom boom boom you know absolutely you know people from all over the place donate money and he's got teeth well and part of it is um you know, there's these shows, I think one of them was on like MTV or something where they essentially go and they're doing it from a very kind of superficial made for television type thing. But they go and they find, you know, the nerdy looking guy or girl and they give them a makeover. Right. And the whole point of the show is essentially you can literally see this person go from not a lot of self-confidence and kind of down on their luck simply by changing their clothes,

their appearance, their haircut and all these things to now somebody who's full of confidence, ready to tackle the world, et cetera. There's an element of that plant at play here, right? So the easiest example is, Hey, somebody didn't have teeth. Now they have teeth, but you also see that just in simply somebody saying somebody else in the world was willing to help me. Now I should turn around and do that. And then you can see the confidence level of some of these people really increase and, and they become bolder and more ambitious almost. That's right. I couldn't have said it better. Yeah. You know, I mean, it's almost like we're creating like a, in some cases, a mentor system you know where people you know they have it traditionally i don't care who who

you know who's successful everybody who's successful has had a mentor somebody who helped them get there and in many ways what our community is doing is you know these community members and this is what i'm most proud of i don't give a damn about my tweets what i get most pumped up about in the morning is seeing the different teammates interacting with other teammates and taking care of each other i mean that's that's why i do these giveaways and all this other kind of stuff to see people helping people. I don't know how to say it. It, um, the other day we were talking before we started recording, uh, you literally tweeted out just, Hey, send me a picture of where you are this morning. Right. I mean, just a really, really simple tweet. There

was no kind of, uh, people got to know each other that way. I read through the comments and I saw people who everything from, uh, you know, my kids are awake and they kind of took a selfie and sent it all the way to somebody saying, you know, I've got X issue and other people, right. You know, I don't know if it's because they think you're not going to see it or what it is, but they step in and I see a lot of those and I like a lot of encouragement. Yeah. Right. Um, the, the other piece of this is, uh, my favorite story by far is the guy who had been,

uh, in incorrectly incarcerated for, I think it was like 20 plus years, right. Uh, he got out, got him a car. You guys gave him a down payment for the car. Yep. And when you guys saw the story, you were basically able to rally behind it. And the video he created afterwards, the appreciation and kind of the thing that stuck in my head was here's somebody who has every right. To hate. Yeah, just to hate everybody.

Right? I was locked up. I was locked in a cage for 20-something years for something that I didn't do. He couldn't have been more positive. Couldn't have been more kind of his outlook on life. couldn't have been more enviable because he realized i've got a new lease on life yeah right and obviously you guys help me with the car um kind of gets him off on the right foot so he can go and and kind of live the rest of his life yeah that's the beauty of the twitter philanthropy

movement right there man who knows where this thing will go it could be totally dunzo but if i have anything to do with it and my teammates i hope it'll keep changing lives like that for sure that's that's what gets me out of bed at night or in the morning and going to bed at night thinking you know damn that was pretty good day for sure we're changing lives every day it's insane it is incredible to watch simply because i think the feedback loop on the impact right i think a lot of people when they have you donated yet huh i've actually done twice now uh what i've done is i've donated uh subscriptions to a newsletter i have okay because we need we need guys like you to start you know doing it we're getting a lot of people well so here's my logic behind uh you know

That's why I hit him up for some money while I was here. A true fundraiser. Well, you know. We'll talk later. I've got some ideas of things that we can do. But I'm only going to give out Bitcoin. I'm not going to give out a fiat. That's fine.

Hey, my pillow CEO, Mike Lindell, called me. He says, hey, I want to help. And he called me last night. And I said, well, what can you give? And he says, well, what do I give? And I said, well, I said, let's put it this way. Two pillows is better than one pillow. 10 pillows is better than one pillow yeah and so he gave 10 uh mattresses so so i pumped out

that tweet this morning and well that was kind of him here here's my thing is i probably more than you and i and i actually agree with your mindset uh around the um you know hey somebody would get scammed are they not whatever uh in the cryptocurrency world there's a little bit more sensitivity to it yeah because they had that whole whatever happened they've got these bots and all this stuff that that go on yeah i don't know about that and yeah of course um and so my whole thing is can you basically give out education right it is kind of one of the things but what i've talked to even some of our founders and we'll talk about it when we get done recording is uh they have products right um and can they give huge discounts can they give the products

away right can they do things that again you don't have to take somebody from a really really dire situation to the richest, most successful person in the world, but giving somebody a helping hand at the right time can be the most impactful thing in the world. Right. And I think that's really kind of the, and I'm trying to get companies to do that. What's very important to me is that companies do it for the right reasons. Cause you know, there's a lot of people looking for free publicity and stuff. That's, that's not what we're interested in. If somebody's, if a company is really willing to help, and I know my teammates feel this way, we'll take all the money and all the capital there but they got to have the right intent for sure um before i get into uh we

crowdsourced a ton of questions for you so we'll get your tweet was like yeah what what um what can people do to help right when you when somebody says hey how can i help uh what is kind of the best way for them to do that or where can they go you know the best way is for people to just um get involved start retweeting you know the other thing is if you can't give money you can give kindness you know i posted something yesterday i feel pretty strongly about this when we look at a homeless person often sometimes we can say oh you know that person needs booze or crack or you know drugs or those kind of things and that makes us feel good in the moment to be able to judge that person or we look at them and we just put our head down and we're you know pretend that

they're not there and we just do that when we do that we actually harden our heart and when we harden our heart it feels good momentarily but what happens is that builds up and piles up and makes us unhappy and so what i say in terms of twitter philanthropy is that you know even if you can't give money you can give kindness and i keep saying this thing about like and i don't mean to make it simple but i believe it is simple which is if you give you receive and so if you smile at the homeless person as opposed to you know any other thing you can think about um you're going to receive and you're going to be happier and i i was stopped in the airport on on the way today guy tapped me on the shoulder you know and this is happening a lot now too this is how you know

the power of the movement and he's saying you know you've absolutely you know you've actually changed my life i said no you've actually changed my life and he says you know we are giving and he goes and he goes we're just being kind you know and that's that i think is more beautiful than the money i mean yes the money is good because you're able to go and get the guy new dentures and those kind of things but to me the kindness and and the fundamental lifestyle changing is what's most interesting well there's science to back this up right so i need to look into that by the way more i mean i know that but you know i need to you know i got to be careful what i put because it's got to be you know i'll give you two two starting points at least right the first is

um there's a study that was done uh we'll try to put in the show notes that basically when somebody wakes up every day, if they read three positive headlines and at the end of the day, they are asked, did you have a good day or not? It is a material percentage change that they are likely to say, yes, I had a good day versus if they wake up and they read three negative headlines. So just being exposed to positive versus negative information at the end of the day, hours later, this politics will make you go crazy. I mean, you know, and Twitter and politics don't make you go crazy absolutely and i think that's part of the thing is i've filled the void for people not having to look at negative crap all day long for sure and they want to interact

with each other because it's positive stuff that they're that they're able to interact with and get to know people not just look at you know cnn or fox news saying this or that you know the world is ending something like that the second um study is uh around smiling right so uh there's a bunch of research into uh one of the ways that you can um control your your mentality and uh kind of your your own uh mental state is uh when you wake up in the morning or if you're going through a bad you know time at work or whatever stopping and just smiling for i think it's like 10 or 30 seconds they've shown can actually change the chemistry in your brain and take you from having a bad day to something that that's more positive i believe it yeah well and it goes to your point about just

seeing people giving right being participating in that and exposing yourself to the positivity i think is uh it has benefits that aren't just around hey i gave money to somebody yeah right it can actually improve your life or as you say when you give you get you do right it's the best kept secret you know i mean you know we're here on wall street and tell you most of my friends on wall street some of whom meeting today you know they're most impressed with what's going on here because, you know, they're also human beings and, you know, money and having money and being rich, these things in many ways make life a lot easier. But if you're not careful, it can hurt you. For sure. Who, uh, who's been the most inspiring person to you? Probably my mom and

my grandfather. Why, why each of those? Well, I think I got my more compassionate side from my mom. My mom's an amazing person and I love her dearly. And, um, my grandfather, because he taught me how to think he was a tough German though. So he was awfully tough, but my mom gave me my compassionate side. My, my dad and my grandfather, both of them gave me the business side. My grandfather really taught me how to think. Yeah. That's awesome. Differently. What, what, um, What's the highest point in your life and the lowest point in your life? That's a great question. Probably the lowest was when my parents got divorced when I was 12.

That was very difficult, you know, seeing your dad leave the home and whatnot. And then I had to look after my mom and my sister. The highest point, I would say, is probably what I'm doing now. I mean, I've had some great experiences. You know, the first million dollars that I made was big. The first $30 million I made was big. But this is more rewarding than anything I've ever done. I mean, yes, it's with one tweet, but I worked my butt off to even get it to this size.

I mean, I know it seems easy to give away money, but some really good content that we're also producing here. I mean, we're making sure that we connect humans using technology. People have never used audio and video before to do these type of needs. Some people said, and it's so funny because it's all the people who either don't get the money or it's people who already have teeth, aren't dying of cancer or whatever. They say, oh, well, how dare you embarrass so-and-so and so-and-so. And automatically my teammates jump on this person and say, hey, look, you know, if you didn't have teeth, you sure as hell would make a video because you know that that's the way to get other people to, you know, instantly, you know, understand where you're coming from. It's humanizing, right? It's humanizing the problem and really showing that there's real people who have real issues.

We all have issues. We're all suffering. Every human being. Every human being in this room is suffering with something, right? Absolutely. All humans are suffering. And some suffer more than others. And, you know, what this is doing is getting people back to, you know, feeling that suffering for somebody else.

It goes back to the homeless man. You know, we can intellectually think, oh, I've got to turn that person off. Or we can commit our heart to them. I mean, it doesn't mean that we need to, you know, go and buy them stuff or whatever. But why can't we smile at the homeless person? You'll be a lot happier. Where is our world come to? We don't even talk about this stuff anymore.

It's pretty crazy. One of the topics that was very popular. I mean, I put out a tweet over the weekend that I'd give $10,000 for a veteran who is missing. And, you know, that is great. But, you know, that's the kind of stuff that it takes. I mean, we're trying to get the media, and many of my teammates say don't even worry about the media, but I love the media because, you know, I'm a journalist at heart. But, you know, we're trying to get the media to start spreading some good news, and I actually think a lot of the media will spread good news. I mean, the journalists, I've really seen a lot from journalists willing to spread good news.

You're going to love this. I'm going to send you the studies on this. Positive news actually goes more viral than negative news. Is that right? So a lot of people think, you know, hey, they chase headlines and ambulances and it's kind of the doom and gloom is what they put. But there's a number of studies that show, whether it's on Facebook or Twitter, et cetera, positive news actually spreads faster and more virally than the negative stuff. Yeah. The poverty cycle.

Lots of people were asking about this idea that and it goes back to some of the blight stuff. And I think just the environment that people get put into when they're born, breaking the poverty cycle can be a inflection point, not just for the one person who is the person who kind of breaks out, but it can actually pull entire families out of the poverty cycle. Maybe talk a little bit about how you think various things you're doing or others are doing can really help to break that poverty cycle. Well, we have, you know, Social Security, we have Medicaid, we have different government programs to support individuals. We have food stamps, we have various forms of welfare. One of the things about what we're doing in terms of I don't even know if you'd call it crowdfunding, but I call it more team giving a team donating is really getting people who are able to help people out of poverty and very quickly. So, for example, like, you know, get, you know, a homeless family, getting them a home. Right. That's a big deal. Getting somebody who doesn't have a car, getting them a car. So I think that what we're doing can help solve many aspects of poverty, you know, as I understand it. And I need to go back and study more of it. I've studied enough to be dangerous. But, you know, back in the day before all these programs, you know, the communities took care of each other. Communities took care of people. And that's really what we're trying to get back to here. We're not waiting for government to come and help or just getting it done. For sure. How do you think about the difference between giving money versus education or other non-monetary things that could be beneficial?

Well, I think anything that you can give is impactful. I think in terms of our specific cause, in terms of our specific thing, in terms of scaling it and helping the lady with cancer. for instance, she's dying with four months left to live, she just needs groceries and rent because she's out of work, right? So there's definitely a need for education for other things. But that's kind of where our focus is right now. For sure. There's a number of questions about managing your time. Obviously, if you are running businesses, right, you've got the inner city blight project going on. And then you are quickly building this massive audience of teammates on Twitter, how do you manage it all you just do it and and when you focus on other people and you love what

you do you get out of bed in the morning i mean i've always liked getting out of bed and you know knock on wood i've always loved what i did but and i'm serious like and i know you're in your career you know making money and stuff but um and and i'm not saying this because i don't need your you know five dollars twenty dollars or whatever but you will find that if you do donate to these causes and i'm not making any advice to anybody this is my own opinion about how i would feel you feel better i feel better when when when i'm actually helping people and so you know you don't think about oh i need to wake up earlier or oh i need to catch a flight to new york to come talk to pomp and go on fox news which i'm doing in a little bit i don't even think about that kind of

stuff i'm excited about going to do it and and so that's why yeah what's a normal day look like for you wake up at 4 a.m why for i just i i think that i've always woken up early but recently with this i don't know why i just have and i think you know i do almost a form of meditation almost a form of prayer you know we could get into mindset another day maybe but you know i have a certain thought process in terms of thoughts and how to think creatively and differently and i find that when I'm with myself for about an hour every morning you know I forget who said it but he said something like you know all of man's problems arise because he can't be in a room by himself for 30 minutes you know and it's very true and you know I can be in a room with myself for an hour hour and a half

and it time just goes by so quick um and that's really where I'm planning out the day and thinking about things so okay wake up at four and then what do you do once you kind of get to get the going after that shower all right that confirmed and then uh and then i head in but you know what happens is if i get an idea there because often and you know we all have our form of meditation or prayer you know a lot of people when they're driving or when they're doing one of their favorite hobbies we all know what that feeling is like showering you know a lot of people get great ideas we all have our own thing but if i get an idea then you know i'll go and do it the other thing is you just can't plan for many of these crises like the girl who gets bitten or gets

eaten by these dogs in detroit nine-year-old girl on her bike you know i didn't know that was going to happen or this this veteran who you know hopefully didn't hurt himself in arizona oh struggling with ptsd you know so so things like that just pop up or i'll see it overnight and i read a lot of what's going on my twitter feed yeah it's um i purposely reject twitter though and i tell my teammates this too and they're like wow i didn't know anybody would ever say that i say you got to reject twitter this thing will like infect you like and i'm not giving any advice but you know you've got it you've got to set boundaries with this thing and so i tried to do that at night and i tried to do that in the morning i'm laughing because uh

as you get a bigger and bigger audience it sucks you in right and what you do is uh it's self fulfilling because the largest most engaged audiences are there because they know that the person who's running the account is there right and so when they tweet somebody's responding right and they're engaging and they're creating a lot of content and just all these elements of building a really strong large engaged community uh tend to wear on the person who's running the account and so um the the advice around um you know what you do for yourself of hey i gotta put this thing down um kind of what will make it more sustainable over a long period of time how how do you want to be remembered don't know don't really care um one of the things that i realized when i made

money was that um a lot of our problems come from overabundance or from conditionings that we have so for example like oh you know this drink's too cold or oh it's too warm in here or all these other things so i try to live i try to die every day i try to basically say that you know if i die today and i help these three people this lady with cancer or whatever and then also interacting with them makes helps it easier to die every day when you do this positive you know news i won't even call it news but and you hear this lady who says she's got four months left to live so that's i don't really know i don't i don't know if i really care i just want to live as good of a life as i can i love it um one of the people asked how do you make giving much more cultural among the wealthy

right in terms of there's a lot of people with a lot of resources and they could give and some people do and they do a great job of it but um how do you increase kind of the cultural expectation or buy-in among those with the greatest resources to help everyone else what we're doing right now I mean, and what I'm doing, you know, I went out there and, you know, said, I'm giving away all this money. And I'll tell you, I mean, I've, you know, I've been on the board of a fortune 500 company. I'm the youngest director in the fortune 500. I've been in the biggest business meetings. I've made a lot of money, all these other things. All people want to talk about right now is giving and Twitter philanthropy. It's crazy. They don't want to talk about the housing market or my

companies are lending me more money or all these things. I mean, I went to a Cubs game with some these top bankers and private equity guys the other night all they wanted to talk about was twitter philanthropy so i just think it's we just got to keep doing it we just got to keep giving kindness keep being generous and hopefully it'll pick up i mean we got mike lindell there's there's a half a dozen other quote-unquote rich guys now doing it on twitter is there uh is there anyone who you would love to get involved that isn't yet involved i'd love to get uh gates and bill gates Bezos and Buffett. That would be kind of my dream scenario.

And I'm working on that. So that's all I can say. But if we can get them to give out some help on Twitter. Oh, yeah. I mean, these guys are smart guys, but they're also of a different generation than you and me. And I think your generation and our generation and the generation below us, like we know what it's like to be on Instagram and Snapchat and Twitter and, you know, Buffett doesn't even use email. So to get them on Twitter would be a big step. Yeah. So all in due time, honestly, wherever, wherever this goes, I'm fine with it.

For sure. Speaking of that, where do you think it is six months from now and five years from now? Well, in a year, I'd like to have a million followers. You know, when I say followers, I mean, teammates, I don't really want to have them if they're not engaged right now. I have a very engaged teammate base. I mean, the guy this morning, he didn't even say, Oh, are you Bill Pulte? Blah, blah, blah. He said, the first thing out of his mouth was, are you bill pulte i said yes and he says i'm a teammate as long as we can keep that going and growing i'd love to have you know more than a million that's where i'd like it to be in a year it's um it's pretty incredible to see uh there's a lot of large accounts that there's the aggregate

numbers big the engagement's not yeah i get more engagement than people have several million followers i saw a tweet the other day uh you tweeted at 12 minutes right after uh before i had seen it and it already had over 12.5 000 favorites which is literally a thousand favorites per minute that's a lot incredible engagement right because again it goes the thing that i think about on twitter is the engagement is nice but that is a proxy for increasing the impressions right and so when you're able to uh increase the amount of the impressions there's a there's a huge benefit to it yeah i'm just getting i'm giving a behind the scenes today to all my all my people so here and at fox this is a pump and we're doing a podcast so inside of the bill just whipped out

his phone and started uh videoing which makes him more of a journalist than he lets on no it makes me it makes me engaged i mean that's that's what it's all about for see i don't even think about these constructs i'm i'm doing this just viscerally and based on instinct like you said earlier i don't know if we were on air or not but i i just get these ideas like the idea about the helicopter and taking that to jfk today like i actually thought about that yeah like why not share it with people well it's um at the end of the day people want authenticity right and they want to see the uh the good times the bad times the times where you need help the times where uh you overcome an obstacle like there's an element of uh entertainment uh around the story right and

if people um only see the good pieces i think that that's where the jealousy and the envy and a lot of that stuff sets in when there's humanized stories and there's much more authenticity i think people are very very attracted to that because it's so rare today yeah right how um and each of the stories that we work on are people at their most vulnerable points. Absolutely. So, and together we get bonded over that, you know,

just, I think that's innate in humans for sure. Before we wrap up, how can people help? Where do you send them? Follow the feed, retweet, get to know other teammates.

I mean, you know, they can be a support network. I've had many people who are, you know, depressed, you know, think contemplating suicide.

If you do, if you're thinking about that, please call the hotline and those types of things. but you know we have a great support network we would love to help you the teammates would love to help you and just just follow and retweet if you can give money great i mean that's amazing so absolutely well listen sir you uh you're doing work that i think a lot of people probably look out and they say hey that's pretty easy right you just give away money to do all this um i i know from experience how uh it can wear on you to have such a large audience and feel like yeah um there's

there's so many people there and, and, and you kind of have to, they're depending on talk to them and do all this. And then I think that there's an added element of, uh, you're dealing on a daily basis with people in crisis, right? That's the, that's the tough thing. You go from something terrible to something good. Absolutely. Well, from, uh, from all of those people, uh, and from me, just thank you. I think what you're doing is pretty incredible and it's, um, I think it's inspiring to people, right? And obviously we're seeing that in just the community growth, But also, my guess is that there's a lot of people who do positive, generous, kind things on a daily basis offline that you and I will never see or know about. Yeah, that's for sure.

But it's a positive impact on the world. So just from everybody else, thank you. Thank you. Thanks for having us. For sure. And then thank you so much for coming on and doing this. And we'll have to do it again. When you hit a million followers, we're going to bring you back.

It sounds good. And do it again. All right. Look forward to it. Hey, everyone. Pop here. if you like this episode of off the chain and want to help us take crypto to the top of the apple spotify and other podcast charts please do us a favor and rate review and subscribe to review

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