The Pomp Podcast - How The Secret Crypto Algorithms REALLY Work | Andrew Parish

Episode Date: January 20, 2026

Andrew Parish is the co-founder of Arch Public. In this conversation, we discuss tokenization, the New York Stock Exchange’s latest announcement, and the growing role of algorithmic trading in crypto markets. We also break down bitcoin’s recent price action, regulation and the Clarity Act in Washington, and how new AI tools are changing the way companies like Arch Public are built.======================BitcoinIRA: Buy, sell, and swap 80+ cryptocurrencies in your retirement account. Take 3 minutes to open your account & get connected to a team of IRA specialists that will guide you through every step of the process. Go to https://bitcoinira.com/pomp/ to earn up to $1,000 in rewards.======================Simple Mining makes Bitcoin mining simple and accessible for everyone. We offer a premium white glove hosting service, helping you maximize the profitability of Bitcoin mining. For more information on Simple Mining or to get started mining Bitcoin, visit https://www.simplemining.io/======================TIMESTAMPS:0:00 – Intro2:01 – NYSE tokenization announcement & impact of 24/7 markets4:56 – Coinbase & Robinhood vs Wall Street9:30 – Algorithmic trading: stocks vs crypto16:22 – AI agents vs trading algorithms19:52 – Speed, infrastructure & high-frequency trading23:01 – Crypto regulation & the Clarity Act26:19 – U.S. politics, regulation, and bitcoin30:59 – Sovereignty, taxes & asset seizure concerns34:06 – Building Arch Public with new AI dev tools

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specific inducement to make a particular investment or follow a particular strategy, but only as an expression of his personal opinion. This podcast is for informational purposes only. If larger markets are going to mirror crypto markets in the future and everything's going to be 24 7 trading 24 hour trading seven days a week always on never off it it now becomes a just a reality that you're going to have to get your hands on tools that are there for you while you sleep your ability to affect transactions without emotion and to not get beat by institutional algorithms. You have to get your hands on it. And that's where we're headed. What's going on, guys? Today, we've got a very special conversation with Andrew Parrish. He's

the co-founder of Archpublic. In this conversation, we talk about what is going on with tokenization, the new New York Stock Exchange announcement, how he sees algorithmic trading becoming more pervasive in crypto, what's going on with Bitcoin's price action, how we should think about all sorts of things around regulation, the Clarity Act, and what's going on in Washington, D.C. And then lastly, how the new AI tools are actually changing the way that people are building software and building things like ArchPublic. All that and more in this conversation with Andrew Parrish. All right, Andrew, I thought a great place to start the conversation. We recently saw the New York Stock Exchange announced that they are building a 24-7 tokenization platform that will

allow them to really push into both tokenized assets, but also decentralized finance. What do you think is happening here? And why is this catching everyone's attention? Well, I think it's New York Stock Exchange is a nice headline, right? The NYSE, that's a brand that people recognize. But the reality is, the NYSE is owned by Intercontinental Exchange, which owns basically nearly all the exchanges, futures exchanges, and nearly all the custody rails that exist in traditional finance. So it's not just the NYSE that's making this announcement. It's Intercontinental Exchange and all the rails and levers that make nearly everything move in traditional markets are now going all in on tokenization. So it's nice that they are coming around. But the NASDAQ's

already talked about it. The NYSE is talking about it. Larry Fink's talking about it. Jamie diamonds talking about it and the sec chairman won't stop talking about it right so so you have you know from the top down there's ongoing tokenization uh commentary that that that won't stop um so it's going to happen it's going to happen quickly and the ripple effects that it's going to have through the financial system uh will be quick and uh it'll it'll it'll cut uh it'll cut in a serious way that will make meaningful changes to the financial space and system and the ecosystem. One thing to think about, you know, I'm a big fan of Jeff Park, who's the CIO at your firm. Right. Fantastic guy. As smart a guy in the world of finance as I've come across.

Right. So Jeff Park can stay up for 12 hours a day and do all the things associated with with markets, right? But when we get to 24-7 trading across everything, like Jeff can't stay up for 24 hours a day. You've got to have a second Jeff, right? Or you've got to clone Jeff and have him work the midnight shift. So when you think about the steps that it's going to take and adjustments it's going to make to financial companies, financial services companies, investment banks, wealth management firms, all the way down your typical just advisor, right? Guys at Merrill Lynch, what are going to be the adjustments when now you have markets open for 24-7?

Because it's interesting to talk about futures opening at 6.30 on a Sunday and not a whole lot of people that have meaningful capital associated with futures opening on Sunday. But when we go to 24-7 markets and tokenization, everything is trading all the time. Now everybody is invested. Everybody is part of that boat that's trading all the time. So what kind of coverage and changes in personnel are going to happen? Big, big, big, big ripple effects across the world of finance. Now, one of the things that I find interesting is ICE made a $2 billion investment in PolyMarket.

And obviously, everyone was paying attention to prediction markets and how that's now kind of infiltrating into Wall Street. But I went back and I looked at those announcements, the interviews they did around there. they were talking about this is part of their bet into tokenization. This is their bet into decentralized finance. And so one of my takeaways is that it seems like Coinbase and Robinhood are both trying to be, you know, the everything exchange. I think Coinbase is the language they use. They want to provide equities, crypto, prediction markets, futures, kind of everything on one platform that you can go buy, sell, hold, et cetera. We have not heard that from the traditional players. But if you look at what they're doing, not what they're saying, it kind

of feels like they're trying to get there as well, is now they're talking about having a traditional exchange where you can go and buy traditional stocks and kind of participate in the legacy system, but also have this platform where you'll have prediction markets, you'll have tokenized assets, you can fund it with stable coins. So do they all just meet in the middle? And we basically have these venues that have every asset imaginable that's trading through them. And that's kind of the end state, whether they're coming from the crypto world or they're coming from the traditional world? Well, for the last 30 years, traditional markets have been very, very siloed. So there's huge custodians like State Street and Bank of New York Mellon who custody trillions of dollars of

assets. Then there are exchanges like the NYSE and the NASDAQ who simply process transactions. well then there are futures exchanges then there are options exchanges um that there's all different there's all different parts that move together but they're still siloed they're not necessarily owned by one big entity and are doing all all the things at one time that's the challenge that the crypto world brings to bear on traditional financial markets coinbase or gemini or whatever they're doing all of those things in one spot custody transactions lending yield all sorts of stuff in in one basket and uh traditional markets that there are there are players that have been in the space on the traditional financial side where they found a niche they've stuck to that

niche or they've cornered that niche right we can talk about citadel and order flow so so what role some of Citadel's subsidiaries play in traditional financial markets. It's this specific role. So Robinhood upsetting the apple cart, Coinbase upsetting the apple cart. And here's the thing that most people don't realize. Most people that are, say, my age or older, 50 or older, they think to themselves, JP Morgan is the biggest bank in the world, bank of america other banks across the globe they've got you know millions upon millions upon millions tens of millions of customers well the reality is is that coinbase has 125 million customers jp morgan has 82 million customers that that that's a scary reality for traditional

players in the markets like at some point there's a demographic shift and so people say well what do I need JP Morgan for anymore? I mean, if I'm just going to custody some assets, build up a four or five, $10 million portfolio, I can do everything at one place. I can lend and I can get yield at the same time. Do everything that you want to do, but I don't have to be accepted into this club. There's 125 million of those people that are already started at Coinbase. So, you know, the shift will be fairly swift and it's on its way. When you have the larger, you know, the larger playing field moving to a different model, then the Coinbase is the world have an advantage. They really do. It's going to be fascinating.

I mean, listen, J.P. Morgan, there's a lot of people that are smarter that work at J.P. Morgan. Really, really smart people. They hire a lot of smart people. J.P. Morgan has done two different deals where they're finding a way to bolt themselves on to Coinbase's customers, whether it's the wallet deal that they did or the tokenization quote unquote deal that they've done. Interesting that J.P. Morgan is trying to do deals with Coinbase as opposed to Coinbase doing deals with J.P. Morgan. Very, very interesting. When we were going to sit down and talk, I was very excited because you run a company that does a lot of systematic trading. And so you're very familiar with algorithms and automation and all this stuff. One thing that I've been thinking a lot about is this like agentic finance.

And when I think about agentic finance, I look at, you know, take Amazon, who's not in the finance industry necessarily. They have about 1.5 million humans that work at that company. And they have about 750,000 robots of some form factor. And so you can think about that as two thirds humans, one third robotics. My guess is over time that that will flip and eventually they'll have more robots and they will have humans. If you go in the finance industry and you look at JP Morgan, they have about 300,000 employees. I have no clue how many, you know, AI agents or kind of algorithms are running, but my guess is it's not 300,000. But you could easily see a world where that will flip as well on the software side.

And so we know the traditional financial system, especially in the stock market, has very heavily shifted to algorithmic trading and automation. and, you know, just go look at the New York Stock Exchange. Used to be open outcry method. Now there's, you know, more of a kind of ceremonial things going on on that platform. Can you explain a little bit as to how pervasive algorithms are in the traditional world? And then maybe highlight like how much of the crypto market is still human driven versus the algorithmics? Yeah, let's do a bit of a word picture real quick.

So 20 years ago, you know, Google or Grok or or ChatGPT, what the the floor of the NYSE looked like in, let's call it, you know, 1996. Right. There were five to seven thousand people on the exchange taking and giving orders. There were computers in the background that were facilitating those orders, but there were still a lot of people there doing a lot of work. Today, the NYSE has about 50 people at 930 in the morning on the floor that are just making sure the computers work. Most of the people on the floor are also facilitating newscasts for the likes of Cheddar and CNBC and Yahoo Finance and Fox Business, whatever it happens to be. So the shift towards algorithmic trading and the removal of that staff is fairly complete at the base layer of finance. Right now, 77 percent of all trades that happen on the traditional side of markets, so stocks, bonds, all that stuff is algorithmically driven. It's done. It's done by computers and facilitated by computers.

on the crypto side the bitcoin side of things the the larger crypto markets it's way way way lower than that right so um the algorithmic algorithmic trading has not made a meaningful dent into the crypto side of things based on uh you know all the data that exists out there right now that will change right there will be a change to that as as time goes on in the same way um that the new The New York Stock Exchange went from, you know, 7000 guys and there was a dip in the middle of the day because everybody went to lunch and everybody came back and volumes came back. You know, huge volumes at the open, huge volumes at the close. That will change also in the crypto space. So my guess is, you know, listen, I'm the co-founder of Archpublic and it's our job to innovate.

And innovation for us looks like giving people tools that allow them to benefit from automation, algorithmic trading, and to get ahead of the next wave of what's coming. And so if huge institutions are already generating algorithmic trades on behalf of their customers, but they kept that sort of innovative tech in-house so they can use it and they can benefit to the tune of one or two basis points on every trade and keep it from retail. Our job is to give it back to retail. Our job is to go back in there and say, listen, if markets, if larger markets are going to mirror crypto markets in the future and everything's going to be 24-7 trading, 24-hour trading, seven days a week, always on, never off, it now becomes just a reality that, you know, your bank doesn't have people that are on the floor 24-7. exchanges don't have 24 7 your financial advisor 24 you're going to have to get your hands on tools that are there for you while you sleep again i come back to the to the jeff park idea you know jeff park is a unique mind in the world of trading and investments but jeff park has to sleep during the the week right he has to sleep every day so he can be jeff park during the the the rest of the day. Well, we're going to get to a point where your money is going to need two Jeff Parks every

day, right? Because you got to fill up 24 hours because the markets never turn off. So the proliferation of algorithmic tools all the way down to the guy that's got $2,700 in his Robinhood account is coming. It is on its way. And so your ability to affect transactions without emotion and to not get beat by institutional algorithms. You have to get your hands on it. And that's where we're headed in traditional markets. And it's certainly where we've been in terms of, you know, what you need to use on the crypto side, right? You need to use tools that give you an advantage. And that's what we do. Today's episode is brought to you by Bitcoin IRA. Are you a crypto investor with a retirement account, but don't have any crypto in that

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it'll give you an answer. Um, and sometimes you don't know why it gave you the answer, right? It's not like it's a factual answer. It kind of just like comes up with something and you're, uh, you can kind of prompt it and try to understand a little bit more as like, what, what, what was the thought process? What was the reasoning? But that's a different world than, you know, maybe this like a more deterministic or rules-based, you know, algorithm. So how do you see the agentic component of this playing out? Yeah, I think it's going to take meaningful time for it to catch up to the way that the markets move. The markets themselves are a living, breathing organism, right? So markets have, you know, they have a process by which they

calculate information and they calculate emotion and they move based on the conglomerate of all of those things. Again, living, breathing organisms. So it's difficult for, as you call them, the agentic tools, which are generally taking a look as quickly as possible at history, right? Where's information that I can find that has found itself into the quote-unquote ether so I can answer this question? I'm going to grab a bunch of that stuff and then I'm going to give you an answer that you can't find on your own as fast as I can. That model is very difficult right now to bolt on to markets. At some point, we'll get there, right? Because they'll get better and better and better and better. But we're a ways off from that. The tools that you want to be using are tools that

are able to take advantage of movements in the markets. If you've got to move 3% down, you're not having to sit in front of your computer and say, I want to make sure when there's a three point move down in Bitcoin, I'm hitting the buy button. Or when there's a 7% move to the upside, I'm taking, you know, 15% of that position that I bought it down 3% off the table and booking some profits and additional cash yield. You want to use tools where you spend a few minutes putting those inputs in and then it does it for you, right? So somewhat agentic, But at the same time, it's not making decisions outside of, quote unquote, the parameters that you've given it. Right. We're a ways off from LLMs and, you know, let's call it, you know, specialized financial sort of models getting anywhere near the markets in a meaningful way.

It's just difficult to do. Markets are very, very unique. It's hard for an LLM to be able to tell when there's a political commentary that happens at the blink of an eye. And now you've got markets that move down one and a half percent inside of, you know, let's call it 90 seconds. That's difficult to predict. It's difficult to take action on in an adjusting way to benefit the individual client. But you can have models like ours where you've built that into the theory that it's acting on. and you go down 1.9%, and if you put your number at one and a half, it's going to grab that trade and execute it for you. Now, when we see this playing out, I think in the traditional market, there was a lot of infrastructure improvements. So people, hey, can I put my servers closer to

the exchange? How do I get fiber optic cables? All these things of millisecond competitive advantage became a huge piece of that. Can the crypto industry just piggyback off of all of that infrastructure that was laid or do we have to go build new infrastructure because the venues are different maybe the servers aren't sitting in the same place that the you know new york stock exchange or nasdaq servers are sitting and so there's kind of like a replay of all of that infrastructure build out that previously happened in the traditional market yeah so that was what you're describing it was the advent of high frequency trading so hft and the way to get an advantage was oddly proximity, right? Fiber optic cable and proximity. It's the reason why to this

day, if you're an algorithmic driven company and you're trading futures markets, it behooves you to have an office within a block or two of the CME in Chicago. Again, it's crazy that in 2026, that's still a real thing, but it is absolutely is still a real thing. You know what? I don't have a great answer to that question. You know, I'm not sure if proximity will end up being meaningful when we're talking about decentralized type of assets, right? So Bitcoin is a decentralized type of asset. So you're going to be able to trade it all over the place. And there isn't necessarily a centralized repository, let's call it, that's keeping all of it going. You see what mean um now will there be advantages that can be taken associated with pockets of liquidity here

pockets of liquidity to the downside or the upside absolutely there will be opportunities to make you know the types of basis point advantages uh in the market as you know the collection of bitcoin finds itself into certain types of uh of uh of companies and and etfs and and the like so you know if if you're we we saw in the first let's call it six months of spot bitcoin etfs being available we saw on 13fs that you know citadel or renaissance or you know would would talk about having a position but everybody knew that those weren't long-term hold positions on the day that they had to report they had moved a position in or out because they were trading that position right so those firms will still do what it is to get proximity and to make an extra basis

point or two or three on that particular trade so yeah speed will still matter how it's going to matter i don't have the answer to that yet i'm not entirely sure um because the the the innovation associated with with crypto overall and exchanges and the like is going to move so uniquely fast as it has uh that some of these answers we just don't know yet we just don't know let's talk about regulation which i think is another area where we don't know um obviously clarity uh act is something that everyone's kind of got their eyes on there's been a little bit of drama between uh coinbase the white house some of the politicians that are involved with this. How important do you think the regulation is? And I always kind of struggle

with on one hand, this entire industry was kind of built outside of the legacy system and has been very, very successful without the regulatory blessing. On the other hand, I don't think anyone in the industry necessarily wants to be on the wrong side of the rules. And so they've constantly said, hey, just tell us what the rules are and we'll play within them. What's your view the regulation and how important clarity uh actually is uh in the short term i don't think clarity's at all really that important at all um i think we live in a an information vacuum especially in the world of crypto and let's call it crypto twitter um where everything and anything is is heightened in some way but we got the genius act and the genius act effectively

um you know created appropriate rules around stable coins and yield so we're going to you know the the industry stable coins yield that's going to move forward as is right um the clarity act uh potentially was a you know a negative if it would have passed given some of the stuff that was inside of it there were a couple poison pills inside of there uh from the democratic you know side of the aisle. You had the negative stuff about Trump and his family and being involved in crypto. Republicans are never going to agree to that stuff. Certainly, even if both sides agreed to it and it was still in there, the president's just going to veto it anyways. So we're talking about a little bit of political theater at the end of this thing. And everybody was focused on

it for a bit. It's going to be a while until that thing comes back to the forefront. So now we get back to innovation in the crypto space now we get back to okay how is the current crypto systems layer ones layer twos are the new york stock exchanges of the world the nasdaqs of the world and the other tokenization efforts at banks and huge institutions are they using that type of technology to build that out or are those organizations thinking you know what why don't we just build our own version of that stuff and we're going to make it ubiquitous in our systems here that we've decided decided to build that's interesting to me that conversation is meaningfully interesting um because you know innovation doesn't just stop at the you know the crypto ledge they're

they're doing stuff in the traditional banking space as well um so we'll you know we'll see how it plays out. But I think politically, I think the Clarity Act is, you know, it's got a fork in it. It's still wobbling around. But, you know, I don't think there's meaningful progress that gets made throughout 2026. That's just my view on it. I think it's a fairly, you know, both sides are pretty entrenched. So we'll see. But that's my view on it. Yeah, it does feel like, you know, every time i've ever gone to washington dc uh everyone is incredibly nice um but there's a little bit of like uh everything is incredibly important you know the future of the nation depends on every single piece and then if i go back to you know new york or any other city and

i just talk to people on the street don't even know anything's going on right and there's always this kind of like dichotomy if you will um of it and uh the other thing that i find um really important is Peter Thiel has this great quote where he basically says, you know, things can be true that you don't think are possible. And so an example is like, most people would say you can't be rich and poor at the same time. His point is that a founder, a lot of times is cash poor, but paper rich. And so, you know, you don't think of it, but like actually the dichotomy is the reality. And I think a lot about politics and some of these legislative bills in that, you know, on one hand, people will say it can't both be important and not important at the same

time. Well, that's kind of where reality lives with many of these things. So a little bit of context to the conversation to 18 months ago, nearly every crypto company that was doing business in the United States was under investigation by the SEC and was making plans to leave the United States, right? Like you and I both know Coinbase was increasing operations overseas. Gemini, increasing operations overseas. I remember the Winklevoss twins were, you know,

putting out videos where they're meeting, you know, politicians in Poland and politicians in Germany. And, you know, they were thinking to themselves, hey, we may not make it in the United States. So- I thought they were just on a world tour for their band. I don't know if you've heard them play. They're very good. Like they're killing it. I thought it was just a world tour. No, they decided to wear suits and spend a little bit of time in banking type buildings and political buildings.

But point being is that, you know, we've come a long way from that point. So so let's let's let's give some lip service to that, that, you know, the the side that crypto wanted to align itself with won the election. So the floodgates were opened and there's been a huge amount of progress from, you know, Uniswap is under, you know, has legal issues and they're spending, you know, $50 million at a time to, you know, deal with the SEC and whoever else to just exist, right? To just continue to do business and not go under. So to go from there to where we are now, to where the Genius Act has actually happened, and now we're infighting politically about the Clarity Act and things like yield and tokenization and the SEC, still in a good spot, right? I mean, we still have made huge progress politically.

At the same time, though, it's not lost on me that a sizable portion of people that have been in this industry as long as you and I have take a look at politics and say, hey, this is why Bitcoin exists. So we don't have to fool with any of this garbage. So, you know, that's a reality as well. Right. Today's episode is brought to you by Abra, the secure way to grow crypto wealth. Abra offers individuals and institutions end-to-end crypto wealth management solutions, including custody, trading, yield, and crypto-backed loans through a unique separately managed account structure where title is retained by the client. In other words, your assets stay your assets. Abra has been partnering with crypto holders for eight years and has processed over $2.5 billion in loans to date.

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and so it does feel like there's been this uh acceleration but you know one of the things i find very fascinating is this california uh um tax you know the proponents of it will call it a billionaire's tax the critics will call it an asset seizure essentially um there's a very interesting dynamic of you know people used to say hey you don't have to worry about the u.s government seizing your assets you don't have to worry about the u.s government you know uh kind of overreaching you don't have to worry about you know and they just go through all these different things again i'm not claiming that that thing is going to end up becoming you know kind of in place this legislation um hopefully not but it does feel like uh there are still pockets and conversations

in the united states where people start to say wait a second here you can just like take my stuff um that that feels like a conversation that you know that used to be something that happens in a third world country or in some you know foreign land yeah i don't know maybe yeah maybe because attractive it falls underneath the the you know phrase that was so popular for so long you know bitcoin fixes this right uh there still remains a sovereignty meaningful part of the conversation associated with bitcoin and crypto uh it also it also speaks so that movement also speaks to the counter movement which has to do with america at large like you can vote with your feet right so So there's been an enormous amount of capital that during the six months of this conversation, the possibility of this happening,

there has been capital flight out of California that has meaningfully increased in the past six months versus significant flight out of California, you know, kind of in the midst of and post-COVID, right? So, you know, America continues to be a space where, you know, if you find yourself on the edges of let's call it even financial tyranny, you have the ability to vote with your feet and move and go somewhere else. Now, a conversation can be had about does that movement get bigger? Does it find itself at the federal and national level? And so candidates for 2028 would decide that this is part of the case that they're going to make to the United States. And so, you know, asset seizure, quote unquote, finds itself into, you know, tax ideas for 2028. That's not far fetched. So the change is inevitable. It's ongoing. And it's why most people stay somewhat engaged, you know, on the political side of things, especially when you have skin in the game. Right. And if we're talking about capital, capital is the ultimate skin in the game. Right. So you've got to say, you know, somewhat plugged in.

Let's talk about Archpublic and what you guys have built. And maybe what would be most interesting for me to understand is, you know, talk a little bit about the platform, but how you build the platform. And one of the things that just dominates my X feed on a daily basis now is everyone talking about Claude Code and Cursor and, you know, Lovable and Replit and all these different companies that seem to just be helping engineers be more productive. and kind of, you know, change the way that software is being written. And so, you know, how has that changed what you guys are doing internally? Yeah, so here's the thing. You know, algorithmic development or developers have existed for a long time. We started the company five years ago.

And four years ago, we were able to bring some folks into the fold, you know, some folks out of the UK and then some here in the United States. So our development team has been around a long time when it comes to, quote unquote, algorithmic trading, like 20 plus years. As you know, the opportunity to innovate faster has availed itself with these tools. Of course, we integrate the tools into what our teams do on a daily basis. It's allowed us to innovate faster and faster. So three years ago, we put out one or two product lines. Two years ago, we put out three product lines.

Over the past 12 months, you know, we've put out dozens of product lines and dozens of strategies that you can, you know, you just take off the shelf, click, and you're good to go. And you can, you know, plug it into TradingView and do all the backtesting you want to do on your own. You're not, you know, you're not asking us to do any backtesting or look at any numbers that that we spit out for you. You're just doing it yourself. And what we found is that, you know, we the velocity at which we're adding customers have gone from dozens a week to hundreds a week to thousands now. and the reason is because the light bulb is going on for people that you know instead of being at the mercy of my emotions being at the mercy of I listened to a guy and he told me to do this or whatever it happens to be it's I've got to have a plan and I want that plan to always be on for me and I can remove myself from that plan and let it play out and so people have really

really taken to the idea of using technology on their behalf and then benefiting from it in a meaningful way and taking huge amounts of time back into their life. To give you an example, we had a customer who's a big time watch guy and spent a lot of time traveling, but also was, again, trying to make meaningful impact on his portfolio, end up with more Bitcoin. How can I all about doing it. And just in the course of conversations with Tillman, Archpublic's CEO, they said, you know, you guys have given me 50 hours of my week back. And so I'm actually kind of taking a step back even from watches and saying, well, what do I want to do with the next five, seven years of my life? What am I interested in? Because he's given a bunch of time back.

So from an innovation standpoint, we take as much as the, you know, the broader innovative landscape is going to give us. We integrate it as quickly as we possibly can, and then we spit it out in a way that is very, very easy for customers to understand. And then we have a huge service and communication team that anytime any user has a question or a need, not only do we get back to them quickly, but we get on a call like this. We pride ourselves in the crypto space as being so uniquely different than customer service and communication is at all other crypto companies i think it's well known that in the crypto space you have a difficult time getting a hold of a human right that's the opposite at arch public you constantly are going to be in touch with a human

giving you what it is that you need answering your questions and getting you very very very comfortable with technology that is going to put you way ahead we just finished a case study that took a look at, you know, let's call it the, you know, kind of the gold standard for Bitcoin treasury companies, right? It's strategy. And what has strategy done? What has Michael Saylor done? What's his kegger been over a period of time? And we just took a couple of ours, our arbitrage algorithm and our Oracle protocol algorithm, and put it against the same type of time frame as a sailor. And we more than doubled the performance of what sailor and strategy has done. That resonates with people. And people say, you know what, I want that. Can you just set me up

with that? And we do that for people. And, you know, the light of their eyes is something that we take a lot of pride in. They say, man, if I would have had this then, or I'm glad I have it now. And so, yeah, we love what we do. And the thing that people realize very quickly is we don't sell an algorithm or five algorithms that have binary types of outcome. You buy and then you sell and there's your return. It's literally at Archpublic, you're walking into a warehouse of tools where you can build anything, have any type of outcome. And there's no version of you when you come to us and say, well, I want to do about 20% cash yield annually, but I also want some more Bitcoin. I want to dip my toe into Solana. The answer is always yes, because of the scale of

our tools and how diverse those tools are working together. It's pretty extraordinary. It's very obvious that you enjoy what you do. I've been working with you guys now for a while in a couple of different capacities and the enjoyment that you guys have, but also every time that I talk with you and you guys start to talk about clients or users, it reminds me a lot, people know that we've got an engineering team

who's built this CFO Sylvia product and the leader of that team is a guy named Shane. And every time he talks to a user, he's like, dude, like real people, real impact. He's just like really, really excited. And I think that's what it takes, right? Regardless of what you're building, whether you're building in crypto and finance and, you know, just B2B SaaS software or a calendar

app. I think just, you know, genuinely caring about creating a solution to a problem for people is ultimately what drives a lot of companies to have success. Well, even the most well-educated investors know that, you know, it's the Warren Buffett deal. You buy when there's blood on the streets. When everybody is scared, you buy. When everybody's elated and excited and just, you know, it's going to it's never going to come down. That's when you sell a little bit of a position that is nearly impossible to do as a human. But when you use our tools, we literally can show you that the only time our signals will buy for you is at the bottom of a red candle. Right. So, again, emotionally, that's nearly impossible to do because every

human on the planet think, oh, wait, Bitcoin's down 2% a day and there's negative everywhere. It's probably going lower. Let me wait till it goes lower. Nope. We nail the bottom every time. And on the upside, we only sell at the top of green candles. And we could show you literal charts over and over and over and over again of that happening. And that is emotionally counterintuitive, but is the right thing to do. And so when people get their hands on tech that does that for them they're like holy smokes you know our social media team put out a post yesterday that said you know arch public clients when markets are volatile and it's a video of you know like a a monkey in a field and there's a cobra like we're sitting right next to him it keeps

trying to bite him and bite him and the monkey just doesn't care at one point monkey picks up the cobra puts it around his neck you know just playing with it he doesn't care that it keeps trying to hit them because, you know. It's chill, zen. It's very chill. So same thing with our tools. It adjusts the way people look at volatility. They really begin to see that it's almost hope that the assets go down a certain amount so they can get more. Amazing. Andrew, where can we send people to find out more about ArchPublic? ArchPublic.com. Simple enough. It's ArchPublic.com. go there. You know, you can grab a calendar invite, spend time with me, spend time with our team. We love speaking to people. Obviously, we're passionate about it. You know, there are very,

very, very few firms, if any, that do what we do. So if you want to have access to tools like this in the crypto space that allow you to do basically anything and everything, we're it. And so, yeah, we'd love to talk to you at archpublic.com. Amazing. All right. Well, we'll definitely do again in the future and i appreciate uh all the insights today thanks really appreciate it