The Pomp Podcast - Hunter Biden on Bitcoin, the Laptop, Trump & His Next Chapter

Episode Date: October 5, 2026

Hunter Biden is an attorney, artist, writer, and the son of former President Joe Biden. In this conversation, we break down why he believes in bitcoin, the problem with money printing, and his biggest critiques of both the Biden and Trump administrations. We also discuss his recovery from addiction, AI, the launch of his Laptop token, and whether he would ever run for President.========================Arch Public is an agentic trading platform that automates investment strategies across Stocks, Commodities, ETFs and Crypto. Whether you’re rotating into AI & Gold, allocating to the S&P 500, or accumulating Bitcoin, Arch Public executes your plan 24/7 without ever taking custody of your assets or funds. Sign up today at https://www.archpublic.com, and start your FREE automated trading strategy! ========================Simple Mining makes Bitcoin mining simple and accessible for everyone. We offer a premium white glove hosting service, helping you maximize the profitability of Bitcoin mining. For more information on Simple Mining or to get started mining Bitcoin, visit https://www.simplemining.io/pomp========================Uphold is the easiest way to buy and sell crypto unlike any other platform allowing you to trade in just one step between any supported asset. Check them out at https://www.uphold.com/pomp/ This video includes a paid sponsorship with Uphold. I’m compensated by Uphold for promoting its products and services and may receive commissions from referrals. Terms apply. Not available in all jurisdictions. Digital assets are risky and may result in the total loss of your capital.========================0:00 - Intro1:12 - Does Hunter Biden own bitcoin?5:46 - Biggest critiques of the Biden & Trump administrations8:32 - Biggest positives of each administration10:53 - Anything nice to say about Trump?14:29 - Staying silent through the attacks & addiction recovery19:58 - Would Hunter Biden run for president?23:59 - Leaving the Democratic Party & voting independent25:50 - AI: doomer or accelerationist?36:30 - What is the Laptop token?42:28 - Owning "Hunter Biden's laptop"44:31 - Rapid fire questions

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Was the cocaine in the White House yours? What's going on, guys? Today we have an absolutely ridiculous conversation. It is with Hunter Biden. Yes, the son of the former president of the United States is here. This guy has been accused of all kinds of things in the media. He has done all kinds of ridiculous things in his life. He literally is hated by half the country,

and the other half of the country doesn't even know what to think about him. But he sat down with me, and he's pretty unfiltered. He explained what he thinks about Bitcoin, about cryptocurrencies, about artificial intelligence, about politics. He says nice things about his dad. He actually critiques the Biden administration. He says nice things about the Trump administration, and he critiques them as well.

And then I even ask him questions like, what do you run for president? Was the cocaine in the White House his? and all kinds of other things that you've probably always wanted to know from Hunter Biden. Got to give the guy kudos for coming in here, answering questions, being pretty straight up

and pretty transparent. I think you're going to enjoy this one. Here's my conversation with Hunter Biden. Hunter Biden is here. Let's just start off with the big question. Do you like Bitcoin? Do you own Bitcoin? I like Bitcoin, but I don't own Bitcoin.

But I aspire to own some Bitcoin one day. We'll see. But no, I'm a big fan. A long time ago, I read a thing called the, not a long time ago, but a while back, I read a thing called the Internet of Money, and I was very interested in digital money and micro-transactions based upon some work I did for the thing called the World Food Program. And so I became a real believer, a real believer in Bitcoin specifically and the blockchain generally.

Now, when you think about Bitcoin, it seems like Bitcoin has kind of different value propositions to different people. You're talking about the technology. Obviously, both Republican and Democrat presidents have been insane in the government money printing scenario. Do you think that's the number one argument for Americans to hold Bitcoin? It's just like, we're going to print the money, inflation is going to go higher, and you should protect yourself, or is there some other reason? Yeah, a while back I put out a tweet that I didn't think that was that controversy, but it was provocative.

And I said, you know, the fiat currency is a sham. And, you know, the truth of the matter is that, yeah, of course it's a sham. I mean, any government that can print currency at will, it doesn't actually equal money. And, you know, I mean, I talk about that, I've talked before about this, is that the history of the dollar in and of itself. We're at $40 trillion in debt. I think in the next two years will probably be closer to $50 trillion in debt. We have, we have lost 97% of the value of a dollar. since 1913. And inflation is just built in. It's basically a built-in tax on the American people.

And so I don't necessarily think that that means that you don't have fiat currency, but from around the world, it's clearly understandable why we are as Americans. It's difficult for us to see any other way than the dollar. But if you live in Argentina or if you live in Venezuela or you live in, you know, name a half a dozen other places in our lifetimes, the idea of a decentralized money, you know, digital money, the protected by the blockchain is obviously the future. Yeah. And one of the reasons that I came to this is that when I worked at this thing called the US-UN World Food Program, It's, UN World Food Program is the largest humanitarian organization in the world.

They feed over like 75 million people in 82 different countries. They go to every hotspot in the world from a typhoon heating to the Civil War. And what it happens is there's a lot of creation of refugees. And refugees come into another neighboring country, and they cannibalize the economy there. And so what we tried to do is we tried to create a digital wallets for the purposes, of creating, of being able to have micro-transactions within those communities so that you were, you were being additive to the community rather than purely extractive. And that led me down this path as it related to, for instance, the majority of people in the

world globally are unbanked. And populations that are unbanked that send money across borders and pay these in insane usury fees for that. Here in the United States of America, going back to Central America or Mexico, is paying anywhere between 10 and 15% basically tax on any money that you get to pretend. The blockchain solves that.

Bitcoin in particular solves that, but cryptocurrency in general solves that. And I believe in the democratization of financial instruments for that purpose. I think that in a a global economy and a world in which we are fully connected, the last place in which we are connected and able to transact and communicate with each other is through financial instruments. And I think that, you know, the incumbent industry is going to fight it tooth and nail as they adopt it,

you know, behind the curtain. Now, I want to play a game with you. I want you to say, what is your biggest critique of your dad's administration? What is your biggest critique of the Trump administration when it comes to crypto? and then we're going to do positives. But first, let's start with the negatives. What do you think the biggest critique of Biden administration, biggest critique of the Trump administration?

Biggest critique of the Biden administration, in my opinion, was a knee-jerk reaction to crypto as being inherently a criminal. And it seems to me that the incumbent industry and the banking industry made it very difficult for the Biden administration is to see beyond some of the negatives that people would point out, for instance, in black markets and the ability to anonymity and things like that.

And I think that they just were very short-sighted. And I think that they ended up with a very, very caustic relationship with the people in the crypto industry that totally deteriorated into, almost all-out war. And I think that that was just very short-sighted. As it relates to the Trump administration, my biggest critique of the Trump administration

is simply the purely the personal involvement of a sitting president of the United States in the industry to profit for himself and his family. And I don't see in any period of time in which that is right. And now I know people, the immediate thing is, well, what about you, Hunter? Well, what about me?

What about me when my father was president of the United States? I made an average of about $220,000 a year over the course of four years as my dad was president, and I didn't do any business, Excel, except paint and sell my paintings through a gallery. Two, by the way, known buyers for each one of them. What they're doing in crypto, it goes well beyond launching tokens. It goes well beyond, you know, simply that, that max extraction play that they did as it relates to meme tokens. What they have done is they have now gotten a banking license through the Office of the Comptroller. They have embedded themselves in terms of investments into organizations that are absolutely 100% reliant upon this administration's oversight and regulatory environment.

They've made it basically impossible for us to be able to come to any agreement on the Clarity Act based upon the ethics. negotiation, the negotiation around ethics language. And so as much as he's promised to be the crypto president, I think that he's done more harm than good. Now, what do you, would you say is the most positive thing about the Biden administration? And then what is the most positive thing you could say about the Trump administration? I think that the most positive thing about the Biden administration was the way in which they rally the world.

And what I mean by that is that I think that when my dad came to office, he inherited a very difficult time an enormous amount of division around the world as it related to some of the most important things that were happening. And that was what happened in the Russian incursion and invasion into Ukraine. And you can go down the list. And the way in which he healed the relationships that we had, which I think is the most important alliance that we had, is NATO. and added for the first time in the history of NATO to additional countries, Finland and Sweden, was something that no one said that he was going to be able to do.

Similarly, no one said that he was going to be able to pass any legislation in a Congress that was so narrowly divided. And in a two-year period of time, he passed more bipartisan legislation than any president since Lyndon Johnson. So those two things, the ability to bring people together, even in times in which everyone was certain that our divisions were going to make that impossible. In terms of the Trump administration, I've said this many times. I understand why people voted for Donald Trump.

And one of the reasons is because they're angry and they're angry at the fact that they have been left out of the deal. They've been left out of what at least, from my generation was the idea that we would always have the opportunity to do better than our parents did. And that is not happening anymore. And it hasn't happened for a long time now. And I think that they felt left out. And I think that they were given a scapegoats that he created. But he talked, before he was elected, he talked to that feeling that requires a radical change, that requires a radical change in this country.

as we're laced a whole bunch of things, because I think the vast, vast, vast majority of us feel just completely left out of the American dream. Is there anything specific about Donald Trump or his family, though, that you would say positive? Or is it more so that you understand the message they brought and why it resonated? Well, you know what?

I have a real hard time, man. And I'll be just absolutely frank with you, okay? He's a motherfucker. And he's made it really, really, really, he's made my life really difficult and so of his kids. You know, I look at somebody like Jared Kushner, for instance. I don't know if you just read the report as relates to Jared Kushner. Jared Kushner and as one of the principal architects of his domestic and political policy in the first presidency. And then while he was out of office in terms of running against my dad and me.

And Don and Eric, I think to a lesser degree, because I don't think their dad listens to them that much, to be completely frank. But we're not just, it wasn't like just sharp elbows. You know, I've experienced a lot of politics in my life since I was two years old. My dad has been a national figure in the political scene. People always say to me, well, you must be used to this. There's nothing like this. The level of cruelty and viciousness that Trump and then and then flowing down in his concentric circles of influence around him is just, it's absolutely outrageous.

So when you ask me if I have anything nice to say to them, I don't. I just being absolutely honest, and it's not Trump derangement syndrome, man. I am, you know, I'm kind of the Rochuk test of like, or the avatar for so many of the, the things of the excesses of this past 10 years. And I'm not a victim.

I came out the other side of all of this. And I feel more competent in who I am and in my place in the lives of the people that love and respect me and more free and at liberty to say the things that I believe than I've ever felt in my entire life. So in that sense, I thank them for the gift of that. I thank them for the gift of the complete dehumanization that went on for a four or seven year period of time as it relates to the direct attacks to me.

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until recently. And then you got on Twitter and it looks like you're frankly having a blast on Twitter and kind of like, hey, now I can talk. So talk a little bit as maybe the, the dichotomy of not talking and then now all of a sudden being able to say whatever you want and having a direct audience. That's, that's, that's, thank you for the question. It's really insightful. I mean, a lot of these things, very rarely do people ask me that, the way that you just asked me that. And, um, yeah, man, it has been, um, it was really hard.

It was really hard. But here's the reason why that I didn't say like that, that you didn't hear from me, particularly during the four year period of time that my dad was president. Because I truly, you know, as much as, as much as, as, As much as whatever the narrative that has been, the Fox News narrative, just let's, you know, use them as the example. The Fox News narrative of Hunter Biden was either that I was a near-do-well fail son that basically, that has been living in my dad's slipstream, you know, and coasting on his laurels for my whole life. And that's one, you know, that's one thing, narrative. The other narrative is that I was the head of a global crime family, literally, you know, going around the world and picking up bribes and things like that and a whole host of things.

And it was incredibly frustrating not to be able to respond to that. But number one, I really do believe this, is that it's not the place of a son, of a brother, of a son-in-law, a daughter. to when they're when uh or or anyone in a family um that is not actually literally a part of the of the administration to speak and and and to express their views and to um pick their own fights um while you know at least for me while my dad was president it just wasn't right it puts it puts in not just him but the entire administration in a very very difficult position um and so even if you believed all of the things that the media painted me. And by the way, some of them were true, man.

Some of them were true. Much of all of it, not all of it, but about my addiction when my dad was not president. I got sober and cleaned of sober in 2019 a year before, or more than a year, 18 months before he ever became president. But the other reason was is that when the Trump administration kicked off a investigative into me through the Department of Justice and through the Republican U.S. attorney in the state of Delaware, literally as they were walking out the door, it made it impossible. I mean, I've been a lawyer, I was a lawyer for, you know, close to 30 years now. And I would never, ever, ever let a client go out

that was under indictment or under investigation by the U.S. Department of Justice is go out and just willy-nilly, you know, speak on, you know, in front of TV cameras. It's a recipe for disaster. And so I had to keep my mouth shut. But what it did also was this. It gave me time to, it may not have looked like from the outside, but it gave me time also to heal. It healed from what I had gone through, which was way worse than anything that they ever put me through.

And that's what I put myself through with my addiction. And I realized, is it in that period of time, the people that I could speak to were all of the people, that have been impacted by addiction. And I don't know anyone, anything, I don't know anybody who doesn't have a brother, a dad, a sister, a best friend, someone that they care for and love deeply and respect.

It is a central part of their life that hasn't dealt with the issue of addiction. And it does, I mean, on a spectrum, of course, but not everybody was a crack addict like I was, but you know, that I don't know anyone that hasn't been impacted by it. And I found that I had it. That's where my connection was.

So whether you voted for Donald Trump three times or you, you know, you're a diehard Democrat, the truth of the matter is, is that I was being able to speak across that divide. And it was really, really satisfying and really important to my own recovery on a selfish level. The idea of being serviced to others just by letting people know, like on this show, you know, I'm sure a ton of people really. well, I don't know, I'm not going to prejudge, but regardless, I guarantee you, somebody I'm talking to right now feels alone in their sickness and in their suffering as a relation to their addiction. And just by me proving that recovery can actually work and I'm sitting here in front of you and talking about it, maybe it will lead them to understand that they truly are not alone. All they got to do is ask for help. When you think about where you go from here, like would you have a run,

for president. In a weird way, America is all about a comeback story, right? It's all about overcoming obstacles and it may sound crazy to people, but we have had presidents and then their sons become president. We have had people who have obviously gone through very public, you know, kind of difficult periods. You are almost the epitome of that. Would you, would you ever want to be president? I mean this sincerely. I'm truly honored that you would even ask me the question. I really am. I mean, look, man, six months ago you wouldn't have asked that. Nobody would. And I wouldn't have ever and I would have literally fallen off my chair. I have no interest in running for president. I have no interest in running for elected office. But I really mean it. I'm incredibly honored

that you would even ask. And the reason is this is that I think that not that I don't think it's an honorable pursuit and it's incredibly important right now that people step up and run. and people with conviction that have a real idea and principles. I think it's really important that people with those qualities get involved. But for me, is that I know who I'm talking to right now. I'm talking to those 50 million Americans. Addiction is not some kind of like, you know, alternative. kind of universe in which, you know, like there's maybe a few people you ever meet in your life.

It's truly a pandemic. 200 people a day die from overdoses right now. 200 people a day. I mean, just take that instance, and I, and I had, I never knew him. I don't, I don't, I only knew him from afar because he was in recovery and trying like hell and publicly trying like hell to get to break free from it was Presley Gerber in that story. And it's just heartbraining, man. And if you know it like I know it, though,

is that he was one of 200 people that died that morning. I don't know, 199 other families lost their Presley that day. And so I feel like I have this incredible opportunity to not be perceived in a partisan way right now. And the other part about it is this, too. I don't know how you feel, but the fucking, all of it, it's, it's, it's so broken. It's so completely broken right now. I mean, I don't, I mean, I know people think of me as a Democrat because my dad's, you know, obviously the former president of the United States, and I love my dad and I think he was

the greatest president, you know, since, you know, name one. And, but I have no faith in the, in the Democratic Party's leadership right now. I have faith in the idea that Democrats need to get control of the House and the Senate in order to be able to have some oversight on a runaway administration right now. But I'm as excited as other people or as concerned as other people, I may say. And what comes next in terms of leadership? Because we are in desperate need of it in a time in which we are going through the most, I think, significant evolutionary step that anyone will ever live through in the advent of AGI and potentially

shortly following thereafter superintelligence. It's as if an alien life force were to land in every major city and every rural area in the world and plop down and we have no idea what's going to come next. And the only thing that can help us through that is leadership. So I'm desperate to see people step up, people of good conscious and principles to step up and lead. I got a million questions for you. Let's start first with, would you ever leave the Democrat Party and vote independent going forward? Oh, I don't know if I would ever. Look, I'm a Democrat.

And I am proud in large part of being a Democrat. But I vote independent. I said this to people, depending upon the choice, I vote for somebody like Thomas Massey. you know, and I don't agree with him on 90% of the other stuff that he voted for. But what I do think that Thomas Massey has done is he stood up for the principle of a constitutional republic in the rule of law and the belief that no one is above it. And so, you know, I don't have any problem. And that's by the way, I mean, what I've said to everybody, I don't forgive.

That's not true. I have forgiven. I don't condone, for instance, some of the beliefs and things that both that Tucker have said or the Candace have said, but you know what? They've broken up to the idea that what they were sold is a bill of goods by this current president. And for the right reasons, in my opinion. And that reason is because he's completely acting outside the law and the power that he is bound by, not loosened by. within the Constitution.

And so I am for electing anyone who's number one goal is that, is ensuring that we can continue to pursue the promise of the potential of an evolving Constitution in this constitutional republic. And so that, and anybody who's gonna do one thing is figure out how to, you know, how to, how to help people pay the rent, so to speak, and literally.

When you think about going forward, new technology obviously is not going to slow down. It seems like everything is accelerating, especially in artificial intelligence or now, I guess we're called it super intelligence. What's your view there? Is this something where you're sitting on the side of saying this stuff is going to kill us and more of like a dumer on it? Or are you very excited about it and you want to kind of accelerate as a country and think that us winning with this technology is important?

Okay, man, I don't know. I mean, that's the answer. Is that I don't know if any of us know. And I mean, what do you think? I mean, I'll tell you what I think in then, but you promise me you tell me what you think. Okay. Is that I'm just like everybody else.

I'm sitting here watching my podcast. You know what I mean? I'm watching you. I'm watching you talk to these people. I'm watching, you know, other people that I respect. And some of them I don't respect that are talking to people that are a hell of a lot smarter than me about it. So what I do is this.

Is anyone that is directly interested, has an interest in personally the success or maybe even the failure of AI because of the pecuniary interest that they have? And I mean, like, they're going to make money off of it. I don't listen to. So I have no use for any of the people that we're standing. Not that they're all bad guys. I don't mean that. But they have a job. And the job is they're salesmen.

Okay. So I don't know how much of it is hype for an IPO or how much of it is alarmism for the purposes of getting people's eyeballs and attention to it for whatever their latest model is. But put that aside. Listen to the people that have come out of those organizations that no longer have an interest in it, that are truly independent of it. I've always forget his name because I always get it wrong. Mo, former Google executive that has not been with Google for a long time. But, you know, his position, I think, is one of the most rational positions, which is this. The dislocation that is going to be caused by AGI and if Ray Kurzweil is correct, as soon as you hit AGI, you're, you're,

months, if not years, depending upon the, how, I mean, what we could possibly do to potentially slow it, but you're just super intelligence. And, and Mo's position on it is that that dislocation, the, that is going to occur globally for literally billions of people in terms of how they conduct their lives, in terms of how they're employed, what they find sustenance in, how they provide, is going to be a really rough ride for a period of time. But here's the other side of it. On the other side of that, if it doesn't kill us all, is that what is a more existential threat?

Climate change, which I believe is an existential threat. And I think that there are very few people in the scientific community that can even remotely argue of the incredible dislocation. and I can say for my own work with the World Food Program is that I'm 75% of all of the natural disasters that we have to respond to in the millions and millions of people we have to feed and also the man-made disasters in terms of the fighting all come because of climate change they all do is a receding landmass is a is is flooding is where where property and and real estate across the globe, push people together more and more and more.

And so how are we going to solve that? Well, I can tell you how we solve that. We solved that with super intelligence. We solved that with AGI, potentially, potentially. Just like we could solve cancer, just like we could free people up to be able to pursue creative things if you had something like a universal basic income. But we need leadership right now. man. Like, I watched somebody just talking about this. They said, it is absolutely insane that we have

a government right now that is saying that the AI industry should not be regulated. I mean, think about any other technology that we've ever, that is ever, that we've ever experienced in our lives. And, you know, I mean, like, are you saying that we shouldn't have people looking at it, particularly one in which many, many people predict that it has anywhere from a 10 to 30% chance of a global annihilation? I mean, it's crazy. It's just crazy. Now, I don't trust government as much as the next guy to do it. But government could set up a consortium of independent people to independent bodies to be able to have the right to monitor. Just like, for instance, that you have the nuclear, the IAE,

International Atomic Energy Association that is able to go into countries and basically test and monitor their science and ask questions and be able to provide public with assurances that this data isn't happened. And hopefully they could do a better job than the IAE has done in a lot of places. But my point is that we need leadership, be desperate, I certainly need leadership. I'm sorry for the long answer. I think it's a great answer.

And I think what you're really showing is, hey, look, there's a lot of competing interest here, a lot of competing thoughts, and the future is unknown, which I don't think is a crazy idea, right? Did you see, you know that guy, Professor Zhang? Yes. Did you see? I saw him on one thing. He's like, it's all fake.

He goes, it's all fake. He said, I guarantee you, it's a bunch of people in India, answer in, you know, in front of their computer. of their computer. You think people in India are the ones answering the queries? I swear to God, and he wasn't joking. He's 100% serious. And what I would like to say, if that is true, then I think it is absolutely goddamn amazing.

Because, you know, I use, I mean, I use AI. I use AI for everything. I mean, I write on Substack and just as an editor, it allows me to produce so much more. and everybody's like, oh, well, you know, your AI generated LLM slap. I'm like, bullshit. I mean, I write my stuff, but the ability for me then to fact-check things,

footnote things, source things, to be an ability to synthesize thousands of pages of documents into an outline and cogent ideas to be able to write. And it's just amazing. It's amazing. And that's coming from it from, you know, kind of my liberal arts, you know, background. In terms of law,

don't know any lawyer that I understand that you don't want to be completely relying upon it when you are 100% yet as it relates to anything that you proffer to a court and have to sign your name to without checking it yourself and proofreading and making certain that the cases that you cite are real but in everything else like why would I why would I ever spend $5,000 for someone to to read and review a contract when I can give it to Claude and point out to the lawyer that will ultimately review it for me. These are my questions, just these three questions. It's just incredible what it can do.

And that doesn't even go to what I am not capable of even to begin with, even with AI, which is programming. And your ability to, you know, create a code that used to cost, you know, thousands and thousands of dollars. in man hours to be able to do. It's just incredible. Every person listening to this show, you probably own Bitcoin and you got it the same way. You paid full price on an exchange. But there's a smaller group of business owners,

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you're trying to troll, you know, some other folks. And then now it looks like this is a real thing. Like, help me understand what the heck is laptop token. And what is your, what's your plan here? Yeah, man. So about six months ago, I was, you know, I mean, I've always had an interest in cryptocurrency and Bitcoin just from an intellectual level. And I started to think about what he was doing to the industry. And through the, and this max extraction play that he did, he owns 80% of his meme token. And here, look, just let's all start this. is that when I talk to anybody that is outside of the, that has no relationship to cryptocurrency, I mean, either their eyes glaze over or they just assume that I'm like a con artist,

okay? And I mean, it's just, I mean, it's the reaction. And by the way, if you talk to anybody basically over the age of like, you know, 47, it's basically that's the reaction that you get. But what I do know is this, is that I believe, for instance, a meme token started as a joke. It is a joke, but it also creates community. It also, there's also 10 million mean tokens. There also are tokens that have been launched that actually created things and built things rather than just actually extracting things from other people's

wallets. And I saw what he did. He created a coin that 80% of it went to him in his insiders. Complete and, uh, completely obfuscated the, the, the, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, the, uh, the, the, the, uh, the, the, uh, None of it is transparent. And he took basically, I don't know, what was the number, $2.1 billion from his most fervent supporters, and he put it all into his pocket, okay? I said, can you build a coin that does the exact opposite that gives back the community that creates something and build something? So I built a coin with the tokenomics in conjunction with Coinbase that we were supposed

to be listed on day one. and we built a coin that had a 20% air drop, which means that we literally just give away no strings attached, 20% of the coin to community, to build a community. And by the way, you can either cash it in or hold it, do whatever you want. And, you know, one of the taglines of my coin was, do not buy this coin.

It is not an investment. It is not money. Anyway. And so, 30% of the coin was the first, prediction market embedded into a token. And a completely innovative thing that we came up with in which I make 30 predictions. And each one of those predictions is if it came true, the commensurate percentage of the coin gets burned.

If it doesn't come true, then it gets dedicated. That percentage gets dedicated to charity. So a minimum of 5% of charity, of all things that could raise millions of dollars and still can for organizations and entities that are important to the things that I care about, which is recovery and addiction. And then 10% for me instead of 80% for me. And on day one, I mean, it got totally, you know, I mean, it was just an absolute 100% disaster by no far of our own, but we have not, I have not benefited, not one insider has benefited or profited from the token. million tokens that are locked up in the founders tokens are still sit there.

You can see it on the blockchain. It's completely transparent. And what happened was is that a market maker, we had three market makers. I'm not going to name the one, but the one market maker principal market maker that had 30 million of our tokens and a million dollars to be able to create a market, only put in $5,000 at launch and 29,000 tokens. So there wasn't zero liquidity. a $6 purchase of a token at that price sent the token up 5%, and just do the math exponentially.

And within minutes, it went from our $50 million FDV launch to $317 billion market cap. And within the hour, it fell all the way back down. Now, it's trading about 70, 75 FDV right now, which is, you know, basically, it's fine with me. we're above where we launched. But nobody benefited from that except the two market makers that basically cashed out in parts of that. So if you have 10%, you're going to make like a couple million bucks over time. Not yet. Oh, that's the thing.

Yeah, we're vested for six. I'm vested for six months. I'm vested for six months. Cannot touch the coin. And then linear vesting over two years in conjunction with the predictions that go out over a two-year period of time. And I'm not going anywhere, man. I really truly believe this. And the other reason that I really truly believe in it is that I get to talk to you.

I get to talk to an entire audience that would otherwise have, like, that no one of my political persuasion is talking to. None of them. Nobody. And everybody that is so nager to the idea like, oh, this is bullshit. I get it, man. I get it within the community in crypto, Twitter. They've been burned so many times. And they're so skeptical of anyone that.

comes along. But look, man, I'm going to stay out here for the next year, for the next two years, however long it takes to prove to everybody, is that I'm in it, I'm in it to the end. I am engaged, not just in this community for the sake of being engaged in it, but because it is of great interest to me, and I think great promise to everybody. Now, I have seen a couple of different people I know where you have autographed their laptops. The coin is called Hunter Biden's laptop. Like it kind of feels like this thing that you were attacked for now somehow is becoming a point of pride for yourself. That's it. That's all. That's it, man. All of that is the whole point, is that like, that's the other thing in terms of affinity with this community, in my, in my estimation,

is that a lot of people who, you know, think that the world was written them off or that, you know, I mean, like, Jesus Christ, I mean, a bunch of guys that call themselves Dijans, you know what I mean? Like, I get it. And one of the things that was happened to me is that, that they connected three words together and the global consciousness of, through the media. And that was Hunter Biden's laptop. And I will go down on my grave. It will be really unlikely that that won't be on my gravestone. And so you know what I wanted to do? I'd reclaim it. Anytime you say the word laptop, anytime you say Hunter Biden's laptop is, you know what, I'm not ashamed of it. I'm not ashamed of anything that was in that laptop.

am I'm embarrassed of some of the things that I did. I would rather them not, you know, naked pictures of me with women in motel rooms is not something that was nice to my family to have to live through. But you know what? I'm not ashamed of it anymore, man. That's me. All of it. All of the things that are true actually happened.

And you know what? Here I am. Here I am. Here's all of me. And I'm claiming it back. And you can't use it as a weapon against me anymore. And that's, you know, that was 100% the reason that I, I called it laptop and will continue to do so. I respect the, hey, I'm just going to own this shit.

And who cares what other people say? I respect that. You and I probably agree on some things. You probably disagree on some things. But I think every human, you know, kind of deep down, they got to respect the fact that someone just says, look, I don't care what you think about me, you know, right, wrong or indifferent. I don't think that that's a bad approach to life in general for most people. I want to do before I let you go, I want to do rapid first. I got a bunch of questions.

Some are funny ones, some serious ones. Some I think that you'll actually enjoy. You ready? Sure. Was the cocaine in the White House yours? No. Oh, man. All right.

Two is when you talk to your dad now, what's the thing that you guys always say last on the conversation? Do you say, I love you? Do you say good mom? I love you. I love you? I learned. When's the last time you talked to somebody in the Trump family?

I think never. Wow. You don't think you've ever talked to you? of them. No. What is the nickname that your friends call you or refer to you as? From when I was growing up, they called me hunt. And so they just took off the ER. So yeah, my friends from grade school, high school still call me hunt. All right. What is the most fun party you ever went to? Oh, man. The most fun party. I've ever went to.

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know about that one. A lot of them are just me in a hotel room. Yeah. That's it? Yeah. I don't know, man.

The most fun party that I ever went to. I think probably the most fun party that I ever went to was my brother's wedding. Again, I respect that answer. I don't think that's probably the right answer in terms of... Well, there's a difference between fun and... It's between fun and wild. We can talk about the wild later. Well, what's the wildest party?

What's the wildest party that you went to? Oh, my God. The wildest party ever went to was in the penthouse suite and the palms in Las Vegas in, like, 2018. And it did not end well. So, yeah. All right. When you think about technology today, you think about the business world, if you were given a portfolio, where would you put the money? If I was given a portfolio, where would I put the money?

Well, I think that I probably put it in the places everybody else is putting it, because I think that there is incredible value in it. In the video, obviously, I think that regardless of what we think about, you know, data centers in which is that it's going to be key. I really, I'm really interested, and I don't know enough to know, but I'm really interested in what Michael Saylor is doing and MSTR. And I think that it is a entry point into cryptocurrency, but I mean into Bitcoin in particular, in a way that is really fascinating to me and interesting.

And I think that the other place that I would probably put it into is just in terms of a company. I mean, I still look at Apple and I just think that they have such an incredible lead as it relates to their connection to the retail consumer. What is your favorite or best thing that you've built with AI? Oh, that's a great question. My website for my art, Hunter Biden.com. Go look at it. I mean, it's pretty simple, but it really, like, I was able to do that

with just with minimal help from anybody else by myself, with no, you know, pretty cool. in the art world as an artist, what do you hope people say about you 10, 15 years from now? Oh, I don't care. I mean, that's where I really don't care what they say to me to art world, is that my art to me is just so personal

in terms of... I love when people love my art. I mean, I really do. I mean, just like anything. But that's where I truly is... I make art. I mean, look, I mean, I'm in the middle of a painting here. I'm like, you know, there's one over there.

There's one over there. There's 42 behind that one. And I, and every chance I get from five of the morning when I wake up, until I have to go and do other things, like I get to talk to you, which is truly a pleasure. But as soon as I hang up with you, I'll be back to painting. And that's my place. I've always practiced art. and that is definitely not a rapid-fire answer to a rapid-fired question.

That's all right. I got last thing. I have a piece of advice for you, which is a job opportunity. I think you can make a lot of money. It will be electric content. And you probably had a hell of a lot of fun doing it. Yeah. You ever see the CNN show where they got the guy Scott Jennings on?

He argues with all the CNN folks. Yeah. I think you should do this on Fox News. I think you should get a job at Fox News. Oh, on Fox. Oh, I thought you were going to say that I get to cage fight, Scott Jennings. I would do that.

He's the most insufferable prick ever. I mean, literally, I don't think that there's ever been anyone that's more of a douchebag in front of a TV camera than Scott Jennings. Oh, I'm saying you'd be the Scott Jennings of Fox News. All right. Piss everybody all said, okay, yeah, that's not a bad idea, man.

But they already have Jessica Turloff. She does a pretty good job. She does a pretty good job. All right. Where can we send people to define you? Hunterbiden.com. Or you know what you go to is go read my stuff? And I mean, 90% of it is freed on substack. I've written a lot.

I've written a lot of essays and wrote a couple books that I'm releasing. And I'm in the process of writing another book right now that hopefully will come out, you know, fall in next year or so. So, yeah. I appreciate you taking the time to do this. this, you'd be a hell of a journey, my friend. Yeah, well, it's just beginning, though, man. It's the cool part. It's a cool part.

So any time, I really appreciate it. Thanks for taking the time to listen to me. And I really mean it, man. Sorry for the slow start with all the technical problems on my end. No, all good. Okay. Thanks, man.