The Prepper Broadcasting Network - A Balanced View on Vaccines with Dr. Joel "Gator" Warsh

Episode Date: August 7, 2025

A Shot and a Hard Place https://amzn.to/3JmDCQBDr Warsh was a great guest to simply discuss the vaccination. I am talking past, present, and future without the extremes. Joel has written THE book on vaccines so that you can get the WHOLE story.You might think you have the WHOLE story but the internet is a very interesting place to get all your information. Keep that in mind.His book is called Between a Shot and a Hard Place and is born from treating children and talking to many parents along with doing intense research on vaccines from inception to modern day.

Looks like there's some turbulence I've added. To continue, you've found us. We are the Prepper Broadcasting Network. Your path, act as stability. What I think I'd like to touch on kind of at the beginning is some of the conversations and concerns, firsthand experience that you have, in terms of what you're hearing from parents, in this kind of new vaccine age that we're in, right, where people are paying more attention to vaccines.

Parents are clearly paying more attention to vaccines and what their makeup is. For a long time, it felt like it was kind of like, you know, this is part of the process. The kids show up to the doctor. They get vaccines. They go about their business. But you've written a book and you've collected sort of a bunch of these conversations

and had a bunch of these conversations. And I think that'd be a good place to start. yeah i guess for me you know i did all the regular medical training and and like you said i think most people didn't really think about it all that much it was really just like oh you go get your vaccines i mean a lot of people just got them when they were kids and you didn't really think much more of it and haven't really thought of it for several decades then maybe you go and have kids yourself and then now you're getting back into that world of vaccines you're like oh there's a lot more than there used to be and and we also have social media now and there's a lot more discussion

around concerns that some people have with them. And so that starts to open up, open up the conversation, especially with COVID. I think that was really the thing that really opened up the conversation because a lot of people were faced with, do I take a vaccine or not? Maybe you had a reaction or you did it. Maybe you had a friend that had a reaction. And you watched this happening in real time. And so I think that just really opened up people's eyes to a different world and a different

perspective. Certainly did for me over the last few decades as an integrated practitioner, a lot of more questions about vaccines. I didn't really think about it during training, right? It was like, oh, you know, here are your vaccines. We used to have all these horrible diseases. Now we don't. Here's your schedule, go do it.

And you don't really think anything else. You don't really question it. You just really do it. And as I started getting more questions, it really did open on my eyes to a little bit of a different perspective. And unfortunately, it's such a censored topic for so long that you couldn't really talk about it. Didn't really talk about it much online. But certainly after the pandemic, it felt really important to put someone with this down into a book and really dive into the topic and try to answer the questions as best I can that parents are having. And I think,

you know, back to your question of like, what are the questions? I think a lot of it's around safety, a little bit of efficacy, but mostly I think around safety. People have concerns around the long-term side effects of vaccines and the research around vaccines and the way it was researched originally. And I think that that hesitancy is growing currently, especially in the midst of a medical system that doesn't really seem to want to have discussions. It seems like it wants to push mandates and force versus actually having nuance conversations and understanding what people's concerns are. So I think that's what's led us here, where we just have this increasing distrust in modern

medicine. It is interesting, right? So it seems like up until the pandemic, and we can say whatever we want here on this show, so feel free to be as clear as you'd like and as transparent as you like. But it definitely seemed like after COVID, everybody wanted to know more. And the ignorance before COVID was kind of alarming. And I don't know how long you'd been dealing with the issue of vaccines or how long you've been dealing with vaccines in general in your profession.

But did you notice a significant change in people's perception and the types of questions that parents were asking as they came into your practice? well I guess I would say I mean I've always been dealing with vaccines since I'm a pediatrician right so like we're always giving them so it's not it's not something that's new but the hesitancy is certainly built over the last five years or so if you look at the trend I mean it's been increasing even before the pandemic but I think the pandemic threw some gasoline on a fire that was already there and I mean I certainly have a very self-selecting population people are looking for my kind of practice they're looking for integrative they're looking to have discussions that's why a lot of people come So I don't know that it's a lot more hesitant to my office than it never was, because it always was that way. But there's definitely a noticeable rise in a complete distrusted medicine in general. Like, I don't trust anything. I don't ever want to do a vaccine again. I don't want to do anything that anybody says.

Or at least they don't want to work with someone that at least won't have discussions with them. And that's why I think a lot of people come to my office because I don't force people to do anything. I don't believe in that. I'm not against vaccines as a concept. I just don't feel like people should be forced to do anything they don't want to do. I feel like our job as a doctor is to inform you to provide information and then help you to make the best decision that's right for you. And we have people in the office that do the regular schedule, some would do a slow schedule, some don't do it. And we have such a wide range because I think people have very different decisions.

Maybe they want their kids to go to school versus not, and the rules are pretty strict in California. Other people believe more in them than other people don't really believe in them. Some people weigh the risks versus the benefits differently, and that's fine. That's how we do everything. And I think our job, my job as a doctor, is to help you to sift through that information. I like how you worded it. Some people believe in them and some people don't believe them. Like they're Santa Claus or something.

That's a funny way to say. Yeah, I think that it's like, yeah, they're like everything, people distrust science now. And they distrust the efficacy. They discrust the safety. And that's because of the way that some things were done. We don't have the most robust safety data, especially long term on a lot of these. we, a lot of these diseases decreased significantly before vaccines hit the market. I think we have a pretty decent understanding of how well the vaccines work.

I think we have a decent understanding of the diseases. I think we have a decent understanding of short-term safety, but we don't really have a great understanding of long-term safety. And I think that's a very important piece of the puzzle. And different people weigh that knowledge or the lack of knowledge differently. And they say, you know, rightly so. I have a very small risk of getting these diseases, which most of these diseases are not really around anymore, are very rare. And they decide that they would rather take the risk

from the disease than the risk from the vaccine. And that ultimately should be up to each person. There is a risk from measles, right? And there's a risk from the measles vaccine. You have to decide which one you're more comfortable with. And that doesn't seem to be the way that we're discussing things. It's more like everybody just needs to do it no matter what. And I think that's pushing people away. So why are the diseases rare? Because they can be rare through history. we started vaccination for certain diseases and those diseases have become rare you know so sort of like at the the bit the most base level argument for vaccination what's your take on that did the vaccines make them rare because it wasn't like we weren't you know our interactions between human beings didn't change all that much

and around the times when those you know well talking about a variety of different diseases and times and vaccines in times, I guess, right? Yeah, well, that's the thing is Yeah, each disease is different, right? So I think you kind of have to take each disease on its own, but in general, a few things have happened. So number one, if you go back into history before vaccines, we were not the healthiest, right,

in terms of we didn't have enough calories, we were vitamin deficient, we didn't have, we didn't have sanitation like we have now. I mean, people were sharing water, we didn't have an understanding of disease, really, even, right? people weren't washing their hands, they were all living together in small spaces. We had horses pooping everywhere on the streets. It just wasn't the same time. So there was a lot more disease and the disease was a lot more deadly back then than it was than it is today. So if you

look at the graphs of most of these diseases and you look at the deaths, the deaths plummeted on basically every disease before vaccines hit the market. So vaccines didn't have a ton to do with death, I think sanitation and nutrition had the, were the biggest factors on that for most of the diseases. And the way that you can really think about that is something like tuberculosis, right? Tuberculosis was very common back in the day, you know, cholera, dysentery, these kind of things. But there was a lot of that 200 years ago. And now you don't really see it very often, but there's no vaccines that we use for those on a daily basis. So they kind of went away mostly on their own through health and nutrition. But the disease that we have vaccines for,

we're like, oh, it's because of the vaccines. But that's not necessarily totally true because a lot of the other diseases actually mostly went away, not fully, but mostly went away without them. But on some of the diseases, there were still many cases. So things like measles, things like homophilus, there were still many cases of the disease before vaccines hit the market. And so after we did have vaccines, you saw those cases drop precipitously, the severity dropped precipitously. So I think it's a mixture of the two. I think that certainly sanitation, nutrition, better health care makes a big difference in terms of death and severity, but still the vaccines definitely did drop the cases for a lot of these diseases.

And I think the easiest thing for us to really comprehend because we lived through it was chicken pox, right? Like we all, when we were growing up, everybody had chicken pox and, you know, had chicken pox parties. And, you know, it was everywhere, right? Everybody knows people that had chicken pox. You probably had it yourself. And now you don't really see it in kids anymore. And almost no kids have it.

So why is that? They didn't just go away. Like, people got vaccines and it stopped transmission and mostly we don't see it anymore. So I think it's both. Now, do you need to have a chickenpox vaccine? Are a lot of people dying from chickenpox? No, there aren't a lot of people dying from chickenpox. But still, when millions of people get something, a few kids die,

a few kids get pneumonia, a few kids get a bad infection. And so that is the theoretical purpose for protection of the masses, is that it does protect from those rare, severe cases, even measles, right? Measles, there were millions of cases before vaccines and only a couple hundred deaths. So it's not like a super deadly disease. It's just very contagious. Yeah. Yeah, I think the unspoken thing, too, about vaccines,

Of course, there's a huge, you know, pharmaceutical industry and billion dollar incentive into vaccinating people with all kinds of stuff. But the other thing is these vaccines do come along and, you know, we live in a society that never wants to take accountability for stuff like this, which is why I want to bring it up. But we live in a society now more than ever where if a problem comes, we want someone to develop a solution that is 100% effective and do it over. overnight, you know what I mean? And a lot of what I see from vaccines throughout, you know, their short history in the United States has been that same kind of model. Kids are dying from polio, do something about it. Scientists do something about it.

They come up with a polio vaccine, less kids are dying, you know what I mean? That kind of thing. And, you know, that's the weird part about it that I think people have to take accountability for is, you know, I don't know if we're in a situation anymore, you would know better than me, aside from maybe public school where certain vaccines are mandatory. But I do think we've reached a point where a lot of them are, I mean, anything that has happened in my own kids' life after a certain age has been pretty much left up to the choice of the parents. So do you think we're living in a society with a lot of mandatory vaccination?

vaccines or does it come down to school? What do you think? Yeah. What is the real burden to the average person when it comes to like vaccinating the kid? What do I have to do or else there's implications? You know, is it overwhelming? So in terms of mandates, so there aren't really places that require you to get a vaccine. The requirements are for school and every state and every country have different requirements for school or you know, some some activities, some things might require them, but mostly it's for school. So you don't, you don't have to, let's say California, for example, where I am, which is like one of the most strict places. You don't have to give your kids vaccines, but you can't send them to school if you don't. So if you want to send

your kids to school, you're basically mandated to do it unless you get a medical exemption, which are very hard to come by and you have to have very severe reactions, which are pretty tough to get that done. So it depends. Some places do you have exemptions, so you can have personal belief for religious exemptions. Depends on where you live, and then you're not, you're not as mandated for school, but, but several states do mostly require it. So the mandates are mostly around school, not, not for life. You're not like, same thing as the pandemic, right? It was like, you're not required to get the COVID shot.

You just couldn't do anything if you didn't. So it was like effectively mandating it, but you're not like physically being forced to put in your arm. So I think that's the direction that we've headed where it's like, oh, it's okay to kind of discriminate if you have a different opinion, basically for somebody to do it or they can't send their kids to school, which is very weird to me because everything else. especially in America, we have, we very strong belief in religious freedoms, right? It's like, you know, in the Constitution.

And then for vaccines, it's like, well, religious police don't count because, you know, the church didn't say that you can't get a vaccine. It's like, but everybody has a different belief and different perspective. And with literally almost everything else, religious beliefs are okay, but with vaccines in some locations, that supersedes it. So it's a little bit odd to me. And it's a little odd that fight, because it's not like a lot of people don't want to do vaccines anyways. I mean, the exemptions across the country are like 3%. It's not a huge amount. So to me,

personally, I don't feel like there's any need at this point to force anybody to do anything. I feel like if you want to choose to not do a vaccine, that's your right and your choice, especially if there's a religious belief. And there's no, it's not like 50% of people are not doing vaccines or anything like that, where you'd be more concerned about public health. It's just 3%. So I think that for, I don't like that there's this push to take away freedom. I think let people make their decision and most people will vaccinate anyways i agree with that 100% one of the things that we worry about and probably a lot more than just our community of people but um we talk a lot about the the bird flu the avian flu and we we you know feel like there's

potential that it could get into the population and and spread at some point down the line evolve you know that kind of thing. And what makes me most nervous about that, Joel, is we could wind up at the doorstep of another vaccine decision, one that, you know, might, or with the avian flu, will have much greater implications, right? There'll be a lot more deaths in a H5N1 outbreak type situation than there were in COVID. But will the public, after this kind of learning session we've gone through with vaccines and rushed vaccines and you know whatever whatever trump's thing was called operation

or hyper speed or work speed uh with you know after all of that and then after you know we're still kind of unveiling a lot of the findings we're seeing how much money is made seeing how many people have been injured from from the covid vaccine and how all that was suppressed you know all that leads to this sort of well you know what it leads to it leads to people saying i don't taking another vaccine you know you come up with something new i don't want it and i just i worry about, you know, how on earth would, how on earth would our society convince people to take a vaccine that was a necessary vaccine, you know? Well, I'll answer that because I think necessary is relative, right?

That's a personal choice. And I think that there are very few, it's probably no situations where you need to force people to do something. I think if some disease comes along that's killing everybody, you're not going to have to convince people to get a vaccine. Like, you know, if Ebola is coming around America, 9 and 10 people around, you're dropping dead, and you're like, hey, have this Ebola vaccine, it'll protect you. You know, you have a risk of blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

But, like, you know, only one end of 100 people are dying instead of 9 out of 10. You're not going to have to force people to do that. They're going to be lining up and pushing each other and murdering each other to get it. Like, you know, it's not going to be a force. Like, you shouldn't need to force people to do something. If something's not killing enough people and hurting enough people that you feel like you need to do it, then why do you need to do it? If you're wrong.

Good point. And you die, then that's your choice. Like, you know, you could go in a car and you could die. Like, you get in a car, and it's your choice to do it. If you choose not to give your kid a measles vaccine and they die, that's a choice. Like, that's life. And you could give your kid a measles vaccine and they could die from the vaccine or they could die from the disease.

You have to choose based on the risks and the benefits. And I don't think the government's job or a doctor's job is to say, hey, like, you are required to do this. We recommend it based on the research. Here is the research and the data. Here's what we think this will be beneficial to you. Look, there's a new flu going around H5N1. It's killing 10.

percent of people and we have this new vaccine and here's what we know about it we recommend it like that's all that you need to do it and some people are going to do it and some people want and if people choose not to do it i mean that's the unfortunate part about having this distrust is there might be something that we really should trust and we're not going to do it but the only way we're going to build back trust is by letting people choose and letting them have the information and and i don't think you need to force people to do things or at least if you ever really did it the the definitions should be real specific like this is something I've said, and I said in the book, like, if there was to be a situation, and I'm not sure that there ever would be, but let's just say there's something that we really

need to, like, force people to vaccinate. Like, that definition should be really clear, should be really written out beforehand. Like, what is the situation? What is the need? How long it could be done for, like, what you can, like, you know, it shouldn't be something that's just, like, open-end it. It's like, oh, okay, we could do this for a month. And then you have to reassess. And it has to be reassessed. And, like, the death rate has to be super high. Like, there has to be very, very, very strict criteria to force people to do things. And that's what we ran into last time was really nebulous in different places. And we're like, oh, this place is like, oh, you can't go outside. And other places like, have a party. It's cool. And nobody really agreed. And when you have

a situation like that, you shouldn't be allowed to force people to do it. Like, there was no need to do that. There was no reason they had to force people to get a vaccine. They could have just offered it to those that wanted it. And it would have been just fine. Fair enough. You know, but we watched the you talked earlier about doctors or you as a doctor giving people information and having them decide I we watched the kind of the mainstream media go up in flames over a lot of different things oh you know there's no arguing that the trust level and you know mainstream news is at an all-time low one of the things that also worries me

is there seem to be and there has been for a long time I don't want to go into the backstory of my own life experience with doctors pushing medications on people to make money I know I'm sure it's part of you know part of the job or whatever

but it seems like that that same kind of you know mentality of Am I being manipulated in the doctor's office the same way I was being manipulated in front of the television screen by people I used to watch and say, I trust this person. I had a mother just pass away and a sister who's had some health issues this year too. And we've seen that strange thing where different medications are being recommended in situations that don't make a lot of sense.

but you know it's going to make a lot of dollars, you know? And I don't know. I'm really nervous about that. Yeah, let's like, go ahead. I think it's a good point. And I think you need to break the news and doctors into kind of different categories because I think they certainly are different. Oh, most definitely.

Yeah. I mean, I think trust in all of them are gone. But I think from the news perspective and media, they are the problem with them, the biggest problem is that they're so funded by pharmaceuticals that it's hard. to know what's true anymore because they're obviously not going to piss off their, you know, their donors and, you know, look at the news, like 75% of their funding is from pharma. So you're going to be hard-pressed to find somebody that's going to report on anything that's a problem with their product because then they're just going to pull their funding. So you have this very biased narrative about pharma. And it's not necessarily that they're lying per se, but they might be omitting or just, it's shifted in a benefit for them. I mean, obviously, like, that's what they do. They buy the news and they buy the politicians and they buy the schools and they buy the journals. And it's not that they're doing necessarily something nefarious. But it's like, if you're funding it, you're much less likely to say something bad about it, right? So, like, they know what they're doing and, you know, obviously if they like fund a politician's campaign, it's not to be friendly. It's like they know if they give them a million dollars, then they're more likely

to be friendly in the future. If there's something that comes on their desk that has to do with their company or their products that, like, maybe they're going to look the other way or maybe they're going to be more, more friendly on that thing. And that's just what they're doing. They're kind of buying favor and they know what they're doing it. And that's, it's not illegal. It's just wrong. Like, it's just causing a problem in society because we, we haven't put that in check. So I think that's the first problem. The issue for doctors, it's not about money. Like, I don't think it's about money in a doctor's mind. I think the 99.9% of doctors, especially like family doctors, pediatricians, they're not really making any more money

based on what they just prescribed to you. So they're not really doing things based on money. They're doing things based on what they think is best for you. I mean, surgeons, you know, maybe some surgeon could be doing something for money, but usually not so much. I mean, they're all doing what they think is best in general. But, the influence of money is there. The influence of pharma is there, and most people just don't realize it. Like, I don't think it's some sort of nefarious thing from doctors, but we've just been trained in pharmaceutical medicine. So if you only think in one way, if you've only learned one thing, then that's what you're going to do. And if you have a standard of care, if you have,

you know, algorithms that you need to follow, you're going to follow those things to keep on the standard of care. And I don't think that most doctors are going to be like, oh, I'm going to prescribe with this medicine because it can make me more money. Like, that's not usually how it works for medicine like you're not making money off of a prescription you're you're you're making your money off seeing the patient basically and you know you don't even make that much uh from seeing patients but but you you have an influence so i think the influence is there and that has shifted to a pharmaceutical model and that's really the big influence with with medicine as opposed to money i think the money part comes in more on the grander scheme of things of like medicines become very corporate and so

you have a lot of business people involved trying to make more money trying to push more visits It's trying to push things that make the corporation more money. And so you have a doctor that maybe doesn't care to push vaccines as much. And then you have the administrator coming to you being like, hey, I noticed that you only have 70%. And everybody else is 85%. You know, we got to get those numbers up. So I think it's more of that than it is like an actual physical, like, I want to make more money to do something. But the money is there.

I mean, that's one factor for sure. Yeah. Yeah, I didn't know the ins and outs on numbers that doctors make. for you know selling certain prescriptions and things like that but i know that you don't make money on a prescription right you you you write a prescription and then the person pays the pharmacy so you don't you don't make anything on that really so a doctor makes no money in with the relationship between like uh a pharmaceutical company showing up and dropping samples off and stuff like that no not really i mean maybe they buy you lunch or something like that but but they can't they can't

really buy you anything anymore i mean it used to be that way they used to take people on trips and stuff like that, like many, many years ago. They're not allowed to do it anymore. But you don't make any money on prescriptions. Like, on vaccines, for example, it's different. Like, you do make a little bit of money on vaccines, but you also have to do a lot of work. So you really, like, you might buy the vaccine for $100,

and the insurance might pay you $110, and then maybe you make $20 for the administration, but you're, like, doing the work. So, you know, you make a little bit. But on a prescription, you don't make anything. You're just prescribing it. There's nothing like a Zempic fall that is a self-administered injection.

Any prescriptions have nothing to do. Yeah, so you don't make any money other than you make the money from seeing the patient. So in America, if you see a patient, you know, if it's insurance, they'll pay you 50 bucks or 70 bucks or whatever for the visit. And if you write a prescription, you know, you give the thing, they go to that pharmacy. They pay the pharmacy. The pharmacy makes the money. But you don't have anything to do with that. So you don't actually make money from prescriptions.

Okay. Well, that's good to know. if I were quizzed on that before this interview I would have to thought for sure there's some doctors out there making good money off pushing certain things so the only so I would say the cabinet so the way you could theoretically make money off of products is if those companies hire you right so you could be a spokesperson for a company you could you could you could you could give presentations you could you know so they could pay you to be so let's say you're like ozempic right like that company could pay a cardiologist to be one of their advisors and they

could pay them for that they could pay them to go to conferences they could pay them to speak about it so you could get paid but you're not getting paid to like give somebody it um but but you could be like well you know if you're getting paid by a company you're probably to prescribe that thing like you know that's oh definitely yeah so if you're choosing a a doctor or pediatrician it might be good to know those kinds of things and those affiliations right yeah and and And you can, you can look it up. So anything that a drug company gives to doctors is actually a public record. So you can actually look it up online.

If you wanted to, if you were going somewhere, you can see what doctors get paid. That's all mandated now because of this issue, because it was such a big issue 20, 30 years ago. Sure. Yeah, that makes sense. So tell us about the book. What's going on in the book and who's your, are you looking to target doctors per se with this book or just the general population? I mean, I'm looking to target general population. It's nice when doctors want to read it and do read it because I think that's really helpful

and that's what's going to change the discussion. The target for the book is really to have a discussion about vaccines. I'm not trying to push people to do it. I'm not trying to push people not to do it. I wanted to have a balanced discussion because I didn't feel like that really exists. And I wanted to open up the discussion on the big questions that parents have and kind of show the evidence that there is and show what actually there isn't. So that way we can talk about it more.

and it's been really nice to see that people are much more interested to talk about vaccines. There hasn't been a lot of pushback, which is great. People have been super excited about the book and it's doing really well. So it's nice. I think the main target is parents,

but really anybody could read the book because it's about vaccine. So they do affect all of us and certainly for any doctors or practitioners, I think it's super useful because there's a lot of information that they just don't know. It's a lot of information that I didn't know

until I did the research. So I think it really is a great thing for practitioners if they want to learn a little bit more and also kind of see both sides and try to read a book that's trying to be a bridge between the so-called very pro-vaccine people and very anti-vaccine people and kind of see the other side of what people are thinking and hopefully that can bridge the gap a little bit yeah we definitely need some bridges this day and age for sure we need bridge builders in the society there's no doubt about that so you go into kind of uh some vaccine history and vaccine makeup

that kind of stuff yeah so the first the first part of the book is is more historical-based. And then it gets in, the second part, it goes through the vaccines and kind of what's in them and what the research is on each vaccine. So what the efficacy is, what the diseases are, what, you know, that kind of stuff.

So that's the kind of the first part of the book. And then the second part of the book's, the more interesting part, I think, where it, like, talks about autism and sudden infant death syndrome and chronic, chronic conditions, and allergies and asthma, and all the big questions that parents have

and the worries that people have and kind of what information we have what information we don't have. So it's a pretty unique. It's definitely different than any other vaccine book for sure because most of them don't kind of get into that stuff. I like it. I like it.

Yeah, these, and coming from you, it's nice, you know. It's this day and age, I do feel like there is more room than ever for information from the experts from the source, you know. It seems like we're getting down to the nitty-gritty and we can get that kind of information instead of something, someone who might be popular or might be a popular voice in some kind of alternative media or mainstream media news outlet, I'd much rather read a book from a physician on a topic like this, you know?

Yeah, and I think, you know, hopefully people see it as it comes true. Like, I'm just taking on my journey and I don't have an agenda. And I think most people have an agenda of like, oh, you know, here's my book, I want you to do vaccines. Or here's my book and I want you to never get a vaccine again. That's like pretty much the message. And I've read pretty much all the vaccine books at this point. and that's their message in basically all of them.

They have an agenda, and then they try to present you the research that kind of shows their agenda, and I don't really have that, and I think people do appreciate that is I'm not trying to get you to do anything. I'm just trying to present it as I see it, and I could be right, I could be wrong about things, but I think this is the way that I see it. This is the research that I've done, and I think that helps people to kind of understand that there's not a ton of bias there, and it's just more what I think. Well, Joe, I think you're doing a great thing, man. You know, like I said, this is exactly the kind of thing that we need in our society today is people who are building bridges between both sides to figure out, you know, before the reality gets too blurred by artificial intelligence, what the reality actually is, right?

Yep, definitely. Yeah, thanks so much for coming on today. And where can we get the book and what's the full title? I don't want to get it wrong. Yeah, so you can find me at Dr. Joel Gator on Instagram or X. the book is between a shot and a hard place and you can find it on you know all the all the places you get books amazon or you can go to the shotbook dot com yeah very nice URL i like it thanks so much for joining this man i do appreciate it thank you have a good rest of the day

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