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Phil, Jordan. and how you guys doing? I don't know if you got a chance to look at this crazy article that Carl B put up in the chat earlier today, but it's essentially a guy, what is the name, Offgrid Survival? I mean, I've read that site. I don't know.

Have you guys read that site, Offgrid Survival.com? I haven't. Not personally, no. I'm sure I've been to that website. But anyway, he's... I've probably been there, but I don't recall. Yeah, that's kind of the deal. He's basically made the accusations

that the website went from having as many as 20,000 visitors online at any given time to only a handful. The website had been shadow banned. More than 150,000 people were removed from their Facebook group. You know, sort of the run-of-the-mill shadow-banning situation. But now he's also talking about how big prepper sites like his are being removed and AI-driven websites that are owned by big media are sliding in to the DM. which is so gross, but it is absolutely what I would expect from the mainstream media as they're dying. It's surprising that prepping has reached this level.

That's what's most surprising to me that the media has decided, like, look, we've got to capitalize on this thing. Well, I mean, call it what it is. Mainstream media has been, you know, in its thrashes of its death throes for years now. I mean, anytime a media source's average viewers of age does nothing but climb for like 20 years, you're officially having a bad day because that means that you're not capturing newer audience members and your older audience members are either going to nursing homes or passing away, unfortunately. So that trend allowed to continue means MSM will make themselves irrelevant because they can't capture newer viewers. They finally figured out alternative media was the way to do that,

which is why a lot of them start shifting a lot of their operations to the Internet. They start shifting them to YouTube. They start shifting them to podcasting. TikTok. Yeah, to TikTok. And then lo and behold, a lot of people started wake empty idea that the nonsense we were hearing on MSM, which is the reason we left them in the first place, has been infiltrated their new arms in social media land.

So they started getting dropped there. So now they're changing tactics again to taking established brands and established content sources and co-opting them. and I have very little doubt that what's going to happen is just about this soon as they get a good strangle holder to that market, you're going to start to hear the exact same nonsense coming out of all these sources you've heard come out of MSM. Because Call what is, there's like three massive corporations that own all of media. Own Disney. Own Hollywood. Own every news channel.

Own every cable channel. Own everything. And every last one of them has one interest and one interest only. And that is keep you stupid and keep them. and power. Keep you stupid. That's it. Well, said. I mean, they've been dumb and down the generations for years. I mean, if you think about it, look at the cartoons that are out and how even more idiotic they've gotten over the years more and more. And just it's outlandish. And then on top of that, this whole woke generation, of course, preppers. And what we do is taking a headlight because

they have found that people who were originally part of the sheep, the masses, who wanted to join the whole thing, now are seeing where we, where we were once, you know, our ten full of a hat, individuals were right. And it's, it's, they're pressed between people like us or the woke generation and you see how well that's going. Because our age, our type of people are standing up against it. and you know we don't shove we're that one community where we don't shove our points of views our lifestyles down each other's freaking throats i'm not telling you oh you have to be a prepper you're you're this or that you know it's kind of ironic that this whole woke generation is shoving rainbows and unicorns down your freaking throat and telling you you have to deal with it but yet our community we're open to you wanting to learn we're not going to press you to learn

do we advise that you should absolutely but i mean it's look at disney disney has become woke a lot of preppers are moving away from it they they are losing such a large number of people did you know that the disney stock trades stock market has dropped so bad they're actually looking at selling to apple so it just goes to show you know they they are about to be obsolete what we knew as wholesome. I mean, prime example, Hallmark. Look at the Hallmark Channel. You used to be all about

Christianity or acceptance into our faith and families and now it's it's woke. And it became woke several years ago. The Hallmark Channel is woke now? Yes. No way. Yes, it was two years ago

and I flipped out and it's nothing against anyone being a part of whatever community, whatever, that your life choice, but Hallmark was known for being its Christian values. And now they have a full Christmas series on gay couples, and they are expanding it to reach out completely to the LGBTQ plus community. Hey, could you guys run with this real quick? Because my wife is calling, she just got off jury duty. I think you can massacre.

You put me and feel together. We'll go on the tirade, so we've got it. Yeah, James. We'll call you when we run out of gas and about it. hour. But no, like, my biggest gripe about all this is simply the fact that, like, you know, over and over and over, all these big media conglomerates have proven that they are wholly incapable of maintaining anything, even approaching an objective opinion. And I don't exactly, I don't hold that completely against them, because let's call what is, almost nobody's

completely objective. Most people have their viewpoint, their, their porthole into the world. Yeah, but what happened to, let's agree to disagree. What happened to being okay with having a difference of opinion without throwing a temper tantrum because, oh my God, someone didn't know your freaking pronouns? I don't care. I don't care. But more than that, Jordan, is the fact that I, like, I, like, when people come in and tune into, like, my show, for example, or your show or James show, we're all very open about the fact that this is my viewpoint. These are my guardrails. I'm making no apologies for it. And I am not claiming to be objective. I'm claiming that this is my worldview. of which I am willing to welcome you into and kind of show you why I got here. And my frustration is that when you get CNN and you get ABC and MSNBC and these, again, these corporate, these corporatocracies, they portray themselves as being the middleman, as being the moderate, the person in the center, the person you can trust, the objective ones. They're not the crazy extremist on this side or the crazy extremist on that side. You can believe us.

but then when you compare any one of those brands to all the rest of the brands, they are all saying the exact same thing. We saw this during COVID. All of the freaking crap coming out of the media about COVID was in lockstep with what the government wanted them to say, and there have been more than one, I see you welcome getting ready to welcome my nephew in the world.

Give him a pat on the head, tell them I'll see him in a couple. I feel like it. But I guess that's kind of like my frustration is They try to play from the middle When it cannot be any clearer That they are all reading off the same sheet of music There's been more than one compilation done That shows all of these news stations

Use the same words In the same phrase They read it off the same Son of a bitching teleprompter It was exactly the same And never Never in human history has 90% of media sources been saying the same thing, and they've been the good guys. Right.

No, no, absolutely. Every time the media marches in lockstep with the government, they are 110% doing the various things. And that is not me being the conspiracy theorist. That's me being a history student. It is always been born out that way. And then now they're pushing. And, oh, disregard everything we said about COVID. None of that is on the board anymore.

None of that exists. Like, okay, because you told me to forget it, you know, because that's how we work. But that's just it is that everything has gone to a point to make individuals as simple-minded as possible that it just shows the level of stupidity and ignorance. I mean, we're dealing with indoctrination of our children, indoctrination of the masses. I mean, that's, you know, COVID was the prime example of seeing how many people can be herded into a singular mindset, regardless of what the actual true empirical data was versus the Fed data. So, I mean, it goes to show us as preppers, as our community or our goal is not only to educate ourselves, but to educate individuals. There are people I'm friends or family with, and I'll be like, okay, you know what, let's agree to disagree. I do have my opinion.

I'm not discredited in yours. I don't agree with it. But where's the facts? Now, I'm not going to sit there and argue with someone to unblue in the face because it hits a point. Some arguments aren't worth it. And it's not that I don't want to tell someone correctly, but some of these people are so narrow, you know, so focused, so tunnel-visioned upon what they think is it and that's all and refuse to look at anything else.

there's nothing you can do to get through to those masses. It's one of those things where if shit hit the fan tomorrow, I mean, it wouldn't matter. It really wouldn't matter because beyond them, it's only going to last for a certain period of time. Oh, the government

will save us. Oh, FEMA is coming. Oh, we've got military... Honey, don't don't hold on that. Don't count on that. I do agree with you on one thing. If SHTF ever happens, it's only going to last for a little while for some of them. It's not going to last for that long because they're going to run

because, let me let's call what it is. Like, I've spent time in the third world because of, you know, the wonderful Department of Defense and their state-sponsored field trips that they sent us on. Summer Camp is all. Summer camp takes on a whole new meeting when you sign, when you sign a DOD contract to the U.S. Army for, you know, when you're 17 years old. But you got to go play in the sandbox. Oh, yeah. Got to go play in a sandbox. Meet interesting people, get mortared by them. It was a wall to find. But you have to understand that, like, dysentery, eating bad food, drinking bad water, poor hygiene, disease kills more people in the third world than anything else than any conflict. So when people talk about SHTF and they think themselves, well, if I just sit at my house and wait long enough, FEMA will come to rescue me.

No. And what's going to happen is your water is going to get contaminated. Your food's going to spoil in your fridge because you have no way to back that up. You're going to eat something you shouldn't have. You're going to get dysentery and you're going to poop. again, you're going to poop until your eyeballs come out of your behind. What is it that they're seeing a lot of now? You're going to step on a nail and get an infection and it's going to kill you because you didn't take it to heart that you needed things in your home to deal with yourself medically and to keep yourself together.

Like, of all the prepper stuff in this house, there's a small, there's a small percentage of it that is beans and bullets and band-dates. There's a lot of it. Hey, James. There's a whole lot of it that is, for again, truly, Band-Aids, rubbing alcohol, gauze, work gloves. Something as simple as allergy medicine. I mean, your common triple antibiotic, your simple new skin just to create a barrier for any scratchers or wounds, because God forbid you get a paper cut infected, you're fucked.

But, you know, it's like you look at the fact that, what is it, malaria now is on a rise, and people is like, where do you get malaria? What do you get it from? Well, think about it. A lot of these lower region states, especially southern Louisiana, Florida, and South Carolina, all the lower states have marsh and are marshland. So if you're looking at an S-H-T-F moment, and we'll say it's within, typically water lasts a while, but we'll say a 90-day room, right?

Just throwing a hypothetical date out there 90 days in, whatever, water's starting to get contaminated. Well, there's nobody maintaining those areas. You don't have the people out there spraying for the mosquitoes and the bugs. And guess what? Nature takes things back very quickly. And I don't think people realize how quickly we actually impede on nature's natural growth. Like, it really doesn't take long for a plant. I mean, three days of rain in my yard looks like a jungle.

I mean, it's South Carolina, for God's sake. So can you imagine the amount of health issues you're going to run into just in your normal region? Let's intensify that by putting it in a marsh or southern high humidity climate. Yeah, but the one thing I was going to mention before I let James back into his own podcast. Thank you, sir. Like, to me, one of the big parallels about what we saw from meaty behavior in COVID and what we're seeing now is that during COVID, there was a very concerted effort to eliminate dissenting voices. That's all been, like, anybody that's out there that disagrees me, you get your sources, I'll get mine and we'll see who's right.

But I've got my guns loaded on the, to die on that hill, that doctors who disagree with the narrative were silenced. They were other, they were removed from social media, they were deleted from society, their credentials were revoked. They were cast out by whatever institution they worked for, worked with, or worked in. They were denied admitting bringing privileges at hospitals. they were removed because the only way to get to 100% compliance with with the only get to 100% as far as doctors agreeing with that was to get rid of everybody that wasn't part of the 100. Oh yeah. And if you didn't comply, you were out of work.

But that's what's happening. That's what's happening now. See, all the big media conglomerates are all saying the same thing. And we independent podcasters in social media land, we small people. who don't have AI and don't have the millions of dollars and the backing to be able to fight against them. We have been waging basically one-man wars against them saying our own truth, calling our own audience, and bringing our own voices out into the wild west of the internet to say, I don't think that's right. This is my truth.

These are my facts. This is my opinion. This is my lifestyle. And sharing that with others and trying to rouse other people to this lifestyle. And now we're seeing that the machine is finally threatened and aggravated enough that you're starting to see these smaller websites, these podcasts, get shadow ban and get slowly pushed out of the ecosystem. Can I back you up a minute? Shoot. With some facts literally from the article?

Because you're right on time. The Rob Richardson, the guy who alleged all this thievery and the shadow banning says, Richardson warned that many fake prepper websites are managed by the same people who orchestrated the Wuhan coronavirus COVID-19 pandemic and enforced draconian restrictions that killed businesses and economy. Bravo, Phil. Good timing. Yeah, I mean, this is one of the situations, guys, where, like, I hate to get on a kick because I sound like the craziest conspiracy theorist at the tinfoil hat conveys. Is it a conspiracy when it's true? Is it a conspiracy? It is true.

All I can do is offer you a lot of really interesting anecdotes. Antigotes like the fact that, you know, Andrew and I have seen an audience that was once 8,000 hits a month dropped down to 3,000. We started streaming our podcast in video, live streaming it on YouTube, and we were lucky to get three, four, maybe as many as, eight views, not talking about people that were watching when it was live, but I'm talking about eight views total after the show had been concluded, and then the show would die. It was not getting organically connected with other people. It was not showing up in their feeds. I've had patrons of ours, who I know for a fact are trying to catch our shows. Tell me, notifications are not working. I had subscribed to notifications. I never found out that y'all were, you know, streaming that show.

I've started posting that information directly to them via direct chats so that they will know because the notifications are not working. And when we started streaming to Rumble, we immediately saw our average views per stream jump from 8 to over 250. Now, there's only 12 subscribers to that Rumble channel. So that means we're getting 20 times the number of people that that's showing up organically in their feed and they're taking an interest in it in a very dry, long form podcast, I might add. But we couldn't do it on YouTube that has 10 times. Right. Right. So, you know, all you're right.

All I'm saying is, all I'm saying, guys, anybody can argue me to death about whether or not you think shadow banding is real. I will die on the hill every day because I've seen it with my own eyes and it's so freaking obvious and insulting and annoying that we are running a small show literally for fun. Like, we don't do this for a career. We don't do this to make money. We do it because we enjoy it. And we have the corporatocracy sticking their thumb down on us every day, and it's obvious.

You know, it's funny that you say that because I was set up to receive notifications. And you know what? I don't think I've received one in quite a while. And I never even connected or thought about it. I'm like, you know what? I hadn't been getting the notifications like I typically did.

Nobody has. That got brought to my attention by a couple of people. Because I had made the comment, oh guys, you know, we're going to stream, but I didn't tell them what time. And then I went ahead and scheduled it, which means, you know, within five or ten minutes, everybody should have started getting those notifications. And then they all kept coming back saying, dude, we never got a notification. And I was like, oh, really now.

This is cute. By the way, we can say the same thing about Facebook and Instagram, Meta, because when I, because on meta, I can go to some of these more popular Instagram accounts that are much larger than mine, and I can interact with their users as a third party and get more interaction than I get on my own stuff. For people that are subscribed to me, who I should show. Yeah, because I'm subscribed for James for live notifications, and I never get a live notification. I happen to catch him right when maybe he's on, but elsewise, even though I'm set up for it, will not show me a single notification for his lives. Yeah, and if all this sounds like, you know, sour grapes, spoiled milk, whatever, like, I'm just pitching a fit because we're not, you know, I'm not getting the clicks and the attention that I want from social media.

It's to prove a point. It's not that you're throwing the fit. It's to show an example and prove a point because we, we interact with each other on a daily. We as a group, it's not just because we're wanting numbers or viewers. We are as much a family outside of our podcast as we are inside and we keep up with people. So it makes you think, you know, go back and check. Who are you following that you're trying to keep up with that you're not getting the notifications for? What is it that they are providing that Big Brother doesn't want you to know? There you go. Hey, guys, are you up to really shake it up? Oh, you haven't done it already. Because I just got a message from our very own Lois Lane, the SoCal Prepper.

and she's on a ride home from work and I can bring her on right now for a little West Coast update. Nothing too crazy. If you want, she's wild, man. She's a great one. Let's see if we can bring her on real quick. I don't think I've met her, have I?

No, I don't think that's a very new. Is she going to be at Prepper Camp? I don't think so. She's stuck in Orange County. Let's see if we can bring her on. It's going to be a little awkward PBN family because I think she's driving. drive time and everything, but she does know that this could possibly happen.

So let's see if we can get Lisa the SoCal Prepar on with us. Which, Phil, what we spoke about the other day on your podcast, after this week, I'm ready. I've got a list, so I may be calling you or Miss Gillian in to really push off on putting out the content again. Oh. Rock on. looks like we might be getting denied here. I wonder if she knows. She'll realize if not.

She just called me via telephone because I was supposed to call her tonight at 835 and I totally forgot my apologies. I got excited. I got excited to hang out with you guys. All right. Oh, there we go. Oh, Lisa Wittles?

Yeah, I'm driving. So I was like, this is the first time taking a Skype call while I'm driving. Oh, Man, I was just hoping because I set up this podcast on a totally different subject. We're talking about this natural news article that came out today. And then you rung me and I totally blanked on it. And I said, you know what, let's bring Lisa in anyway.

So you're on air with Phil Rabellea of the Matter of Facts podcast or Monday host. You're on with Jordan Ferguson, our Phoenix Survival host. She's about to give birth, as you can see. So she's been on a little bit of a time off. She's sewing baby clothes as we speak. Oh, I'm spinning right now. Oh, no, you're spinning. I know.

I'm such a retard. I don't know what's going on. But I said, hey, if we can do it, we'll still carve out that sort of West Coast update and, you know, don't be afraid if Phil or Jordan interjects or anything like that. As long as you're okay with that, feel free. We can riff and see what we got. Forgive us. We're Southern and we're loud.

We're Spaniard. They were allowed. Go for it. I'm Spaniard, so it works out. Oh, there you go. There you go. So what you're seeing on the ride home? You're on the what?

What are you on right now? The 405. Yep, so far no car slipped over like they were a couple weeks ago. That was fun. Yeah, I heard. That was pretty interesting, a little addition to the show. Oh, yeah. I can't believe how light the traffic is.

So I'm definitely hands free. I'm being legal. And they got it's easy to work right now. So it felt good. I was like, oh, I get to call and vent about, okay, what stuff I found. Nothing on purple lights that I will find. I did do an experiment. That's here.

I wasn't able to on any appeal stuff. But I was noticing I went to one supermarket, got some cucumbers. go on bell peppers. I said, okay, what else has a lot of, like, you know, when they put that coating on it? Yeah. Yeah. So I said, none of them were saying whether or not they were sprayed with a peel

or anything similar, but I was noticing something was definitely thicker. So I said, okay, great experiment. I didn't have gloves on, so that was my bad. Took them back to my place, got out a big bowl, soaked the cucumbers and distilled white vinegar for about 15 minutes. And I didn't notice anything particular. However, I then rinsed him off the cucumbers. I sprayed a regular, what you call it, like veggie wash that you get like a trader juice or something.

Yeah, yeah. And even though the cucumbers had a little shine, they didn't have any bitter taste. So I said, okay, I'm willing to live with that. So that means that something came off it. Then I did the same thing with the Bell peppers. And because I was remembering that interview that I saw that lady that was interviewing that Belgian doctor. And I said, okay, let's see something pulls away. Nothing pulled away.

So I was like, okay, I rinsed him off, washed them all through the veggie wash. They seemed okay. But the weird thing was like, one, I had to. also bought us some broccoli stuck the broccoli floretside down in the distilled white vinegar. I had some interesting little creepy things kind of come out of that. No, yeah, there's all kinds of bugs in there. Yeah, we eat bugs a lot. Let me give them a quick.

Let me give them a quick check recap because the audience who wasn't here last Monday and you guys probably are like, what on earth is she talking about right now? but we did a show of... Yeah, so Bill Gates has his own coding now. I don't know if you guys know that, but it's a product called Appeal, and it's being put on lots of produce already. You might have some in your house already.

And Lisa, the SoCal Prep, her last week, was sort of doing a deep dive on this new crazy coding from our top lizard up there. So one of the worst ones it is on, is apples. We have gotten before where we bought apples and literally the outside of the apple was perfect, right?

Yep. You cut the apple open and the inside of the apple was actually rotten. Oh, yeah, because that's what it says. It's supposed to make produce last for like 70 years. Right. Well, it doesn't. So another thing on the whole Bill Gates thing is he actually

has his own set of avocados and I'll have to find it. Oh, the Luna. I'll send it into you. The Luna. I just saw that today. They mix it in with your normal avocado. So you have to actually look specifically at the little barcode on the avocado because they're not separating it.

It is mixed in with all the other ones. And so you have to look at the little sticker and the barcode on it. And there is a way to differentiate because of how it's labeled, but they're not separating them. So you have to be careful what fruit you're getting because they are mixing in his GMO and modified fruit from vegetables. in with everything else without any proper notification, no, nothing. And he's able to do it mainstream where we can, you know, we're no better if we're not educated on it. Exactly.

And the crazy thing. Is this the proper moment to ask where our regulatory agencies are and why they're not raising the red flag on this? Yes. Yes. Attorney Tom Rens was pissed off when he found out about this. he this is how I first found out about it and he was trying to um get a bill passed I believe in Michigan or something just asking states hey if you're going to be putting MRI in our food or you're

going to be spraying this crap on our food let us know what we can do nothing has happened and then what he said that which was horrible which was scary was that um the way they had these industries have now marketed they are using the words organic to mean anything that is natural. Crazy thing. The appeal stuff, when you go to the website, they said, oh, everything we have is all natural, all organic. But when you go and you click on the website to do a check on what the thing that makes the sticky,

non-sticky, it's a MSDS. It's a hazardous carcinogen. And I went, what? Yeah. So then you have to wear gloves. And that's the scary thing. So it's like Whole Foods, Mothers, Trader Joe's, Bristol Farms, Gelsons. A lot of these, like, so-called organic farms out here or supermarkets are touting it where they're going to put the little label.

And they'll show, like the Stater Brothers out here, one of the ones I was using their produce area. They had a big old sticker across their section saying, we are happy to spray the appeal spray over our produce. I'm like, oh, my God, they're aerosolizing it. Yikes. Walmart doesn't. Walmart just has it mixed in with everything else, and it is already in there, I ran into these directly.

They are now, I think they've out, now actually upgraded it to the chicken. It's been approved to, for the meat end of it, to mass produce now. Now, here's the funny thing is eggs have been injected for years. Like, people don't realize the eggs,

the eggs you buy in Walmart have been sitting on a shelf twice as long than the expiration date that you're purchased. in it for, right? Half the time they've been in the shelf for a year. But all of those eggs are already injected. So that is actually one of those things where they really don't have

to say anything because they couldn't put in things in the eggs itself for so long. It's not I'm trying to find the right word. It's not dictated by the same parameters as some of the other stuff that we ingest on the daily. Like grandfathered in or something. Yes. Right.

Because it's considered health beneficial. Something I was bringing up to everybody, and I'll bring it up again, is if you go to this website, Texas, Lindsay, she has an article where it's about a 10-page article, and I listed some of the things when I was interviewed of various supplements and things people could start taking and using to help offset and neutralize the spike proteins, which we're now going to start experiencing in our meat and in our veggies because it's like what can we do at this point short of trying to grow it um or like in my case because i'm stuck in a big city i'm stuck having

in justice he's like what in the world and so that's where uh yeah if you go to the texaselenzie dot com, I believe is Texas, L-I-N-D-S-E-Y or S-A-Y and you type in the MRI supplements and it lists all these items

and it's mostly for people that are originally getting the jab and I guess a lot of people were having non-infections but they were having weird side effects from the shot but yeah when you read in to the article, there's all these things you can do. And gee, a lot of them, I looked at, I'm like, Jetson Carroll talks about a lot of them that,

because I can't grow up, I just bought a whole fleet of the, of the, oh gosh, like a candy lion, black cumin, and I'm going to start putting in my water, anything I can do to break the spike proteins. Well, that's something in its own, and I don't know how long. you've listened to the network, but back when the whole jab, I'm a pharmacy technician. I work directly with people who had to get the jab. I'm a big endurbology, so I like to know the medicinal equivalents. Well, what they're seeing more and more instances of, even today, is what they're calling

long-term COVID, right, or long-term side effects from COVID. What they're not explaining to you is half the time it's because of this whole injection. that they did. We all know the virus itself was in RNA-based. What other diseases do we know that are RNA-based? Well, HIV. They were using some of the same HIV-based medications as part of their vaccine, which anybody who understands the medication is it suppresses the immune system itself. So of course, you're going to run into people who are already immunocompromise, but you're giving them something to help. But the problem is, is in long term, you're seeing people with cardiac issues, clotting issues, diseases and issues that beyond, you know, before wasn't a problem.

Or all of a sudden, oh, I met a woman who now was in third stage, renal failure, not renal failure, cardiac, she has having some sort of cardiac issues. And she said, oh, I just got my third vaccine. but they say it's from COVID, but I don't remember ever getting sick. So it just goes to show, you know, if something like that, you know, you see more people ill from the vaccine,

and I understand a lot of people had to because their career was on the line. But a lot of these people who got it the first time did go out and get the second, third, and fourth, you know, with the boosters because they want it to. You know, you've got the masses who are, but people aren't looking at the fact is,

okay, well, they started out with the jab. I feel like here's my little conspiracy, Phil, you'll love this, is our COVID was a baseline run. It was, oh, he's clearing his throat. Yeah, he's getting ready to lift off. No, it's allergy season south of Louisiana. Well, it is a baseline to me test run. What can you get the masses to agree to, all right?

You've got the sheep will already being jabbed. All of a sudden, now everybody, these immune systems are being compromised. So you know what? Let's go ahead and inject our food and make it more healthy and suitable for those individuals so they can, you know, have a much longer life. It's like, you know, yeah, it's just the beginning of a downhill spiral for the masses. Everybody know what the razor is, right?

Yeah, the kill rate, I think, is 86%. They want to have the 500 million people. I'm like, well, this will do it. Yeah, so when I saw that article from Texas Lindsay, I'm like, anything I can do that, I did not take the jab. And by the way, yeah, I just started listening to you guys. I just discovered you earlier this year, and I'm trying to catch up with all the episodes. But, yeah, I wasn't shocked. I said, if I could do anything for myself to a least offset, I will do it.

I found out a friend of mine that she was one of those that got the jab. was a sheeple. She stopped being my friend when I made the Facebook thing of, oh, God, going for the shop, please don't do it. She's up to a, like, I think her third or fourth booster, and she just had a stroke. No. And she can't understand where it came from. I'm like, keep quiet. Just keep quiet. The blood clotting issues get worse, and the amount of people who are getting the boosters is, I mean, I work for a northern state, and you just be in. surprised or not surprised at the amount of people who still refuse to travel because they're still terrified of COVID and they are the more elderly generation than anything.

Oh, that fear propaganda was expertly administered. Got to give the media and their handlers credit for that one. That was clutch. Yeah. And because I do a lot of historical dancing, I am not going. I am refusing to go to any event where they said must have the passport. I'm like, how dare you? Because I will go to the ones that are open.

And yeah, there are a third of the people. So, like, 400 people at a ball. You might have 150 people. Maybe four had the mask. The rest of us were like, we're dancing. We can't breathe in a mask. And if we get sick, we get sick. No one got sick in January when we went to the ball for a Jane Austen event.

I was like, oh, my God. So, slight side, very slight sidebar since y'all brought, y'all reminded me. Go ahead. We were talking about events that required the jabs and the masks. There was a Satanism convention here in the U.S. several months ago. Listen, guys, I am a very devout Christian, but I see it as my duty to, like, be very informed of people that I might be able to consider it to be my enemies. And if, you know, your entire existence is based around just. destroying Christianity, I call you my enemy.

And I cackled madly when I realized that this Satanism convention was requiring masks and jabs when a supposed a supposed tentative Satanism is to spread pestilence and disease across the world. Oh my God. I seriously, look, I have this weird sense of humor that when I see like rank abject hypocrisy, I don't even get mad. I just laugh because I'm like, this is hilarious. This is the least self-aware thing I've ever seen a group people do in life. So I live in Myrtle Beach, all right? Sun, people are out, bikinis, everything, and it still tickles me that people, and when I say this, this is not a tab at anyone from up north.

But you can always tell who the northerners are, and the older northerners are, because they are out in our 95-degree heat and 110 humidity. with a big black mask on their face outside in the bikini. Oh, hey, that sounds like my neighborhood. I've got a certain Asian population where I live in.

Yeah, it was like 90 degrees this weekend. They were wearing their down vest, down jackets, and a lot of them had jolavas and these weird face masks that literally go past their ears. And I'm like, that's not having a round of face. The only reason I can say anything on that one is the Asian culture is much more particular about exposure to the sun. So a lot of times that's not uncommon to see here.

They're wearing long sleeves. They have umbrellas. They have big hats because in the Asian culture, dark skin is a sign of poverty. And so that is an absolute cultural thing. I, you know, my neighbors are Vietnamese, you know, I know plenty of Asian culture individuals, and it's very common in that culture. So on that one, I don't give as much to, I just keep thinking, God, they have definitely acclimated because I remember the whole summer I had to wear long sleeves from my burns, and that was rough. Jeez. That explains a lot.

That was why, go ahead. I just looked down, I'm like, oh, shoot, I can see you guys. I'm like, okay, I just became a slightly distracted driver. Oh, yeah, don't do that. Don't do that. Because we know what you guys are seeing as my dog. Yeah, we're live. We're live, Lois.

If you crash to your death, it's going to be recorded for all to hear. Please don't. Don't do that. Hey, can I be, uh, oh my God, I see her? Can I be malicious for a minute? This is a very rare. This is a very rare thing for me. This is rare.

I, I have thought. I'm talking. You know how to be malicious? I'm down. This is very rare for me. Maybe it won't be as, as malicious as you guys might want. But this is also taken from the natural news article.

And I'm just smiling ear to ear in a very Phil Ravillet kind of way. If I had any beard remotely close to that one, I'd be stroking it. You guys, I bet everybody here has heard of theprepared.com, right? Theprepared.com, just so you know, they're kind of died off now, but they burst onto the scene about eight years ago, I'd say. And they were kind of notable for being this, We're the more inclusive prepper website, theprepared.com. And, you know, there were some things that they didn't talk about.

I don't think they ever talked about firearms and stuff like that. And I talked to them guys a bunch of times. When I first started writing, I approached them for a writing job. And I was like, hey, you know, I write and prepping in survival world and, you know, I can put some good articles out for you. And they gave me some crap about, you know, not being a good fit and all that kind of stuff. And then, you know, I went on about my business, whatever. And I didn't know this about them until now, but I'll read this segment in a second. A couple years go by, PBN goes up for sale.

I buy PBN. I say, you know what, let's bring these guys on and see what they're all about because they're weird they're like obviously catering to richer people who want to be prepared and they're obviously liberal but i would bring them on and talk to him anyway yeah we're not really interested in coming on your outlet yada yada yada yada you know i think i hit them up two times in a couple years and both times they shot me down and after that i was basically like okay i can see that they're about as inclusive as every liberal right they're perfect I think I actually spoke with one of them as well.

You probably did. Yeah, actually, I remember speaking to Glenn about it and you afterwards. Yeah, that was not pleasant. No, they're brutal. But anyway, so I... Go ahead, Phil, I'm sorry. In that same vein, I got told once upon a time by another content creator, who will remain nameless because I think he's a good guy,

and we just have a difference of opinion. But I was told that me talking politics, as often as I did was not very inclusive and was going to alienate part of my show. And yet, now, time out. You have to understand, I'm a libertarian, which means I get to piss everybody off. Like, I can piss off a roomful of conservatives and roomful of liberals all the exact same time with the same sentences. It's freaking hilarious to be me sometimes. But I am very critical of any attempt to disarm people.

I'm critical of any attempt to subvert freedom. those types of things like frustrate me very deeply. So I get very spun up about any attempt to, let's say, limit the right of people that own firearms because I think everybody has a right to defend themselves, you know, basic rights. There you go. Well, this person told me that, you know,

every time you're always yelling about the Democrats, and Democrats, that's not very inclusive. And I'm like, okay, if in the name of being inclusive, I have to hold my tongue when there is legislative malfeasance occurring and people are trying to directly subvert our rights as human beings. If that's what I have to do to be inclusive, then to hell with you and to hell with inclusivity. With all due respect. I don't care.

I'm not here to be inclusive. I'm not here to be liked. I am here to present facts and occasionally insert some opinions, scream and yell about the government, three-letter agencies. I mean, it's kind of what I do for fun. But I just keep going back around to this idea that, like, I don't have to. have a gripe with a content creator who tries to stay apolitical. I can totally get on board the idea of if your show is not centered around politics, you try not to get into politics. But I also think there is a certain point at which it's like, I think it was Mahatma Gandhi

that said that don't confuse pacifism with impotence, something to that effect. And that becomes the dividing line at a certain point. It's like if in the name of not picking a fight with somebody, you have to allow them to pick a fight with you and permit that, then pacifism's not a virtue anymore. Passifism is just weakness. Yeah, in times like these, we can't afford it. No, we got to times like this because of weakness and weak people and people not standing up for themselves and standing up for their neighbors

and dime their neighbors out to, you know, three-letter agencies. That's how we got here. Yeah. The only way we at is by putting our foot down. That's what I like this group is because it's regular people, And we're not, we're not thinking of politics. We're just trying to help each other and try to let people know, you better be prepared.

Something is happening because of the politics. Well, let me, let me elaborate on the, on the current conditions of the prepared.com. Oh, yes. If I may, enjoy this moment a little. So the Daily Mail article highlighted several alleged elite press. such as Sam Altman, Reddit co-founder Steve Hoffman, and John Ramey. John Ramey was one of those owners of The Prepared.

I didn't know this at the time, but apparently he was a former Obama administration advisor turned prepper. Now that's one hell of a sentence in and of itself. He now manages a site called theprepared.com, which is ironically filled with stolen and AI-generated web content. And I just think that's the perfect, that's the perfect cherry on top for yours truly, to be quite honest with you. Because sometimes you know how God works and you'll be,

you'll be thrust from an opportunity and you won't understand why. And now if I had my name or if I had those losers on the Prepper Broadcasting Network getting interviewed, I would be a part of a stolen, thefted, AI-generated website. And, you know, sometimes it just feels good not to be affiliated with something like that. But see, this, this harkens to a phenomenon that I've pointed out in the firearms, the firearms manufacturing business where, like, there's certain firearms manufacturers that

have earned a really tremendously bad reputation within the community with certain people because they do things that seem to run counter to the fact that you're selling firearms to the masses. Bill Ruger is notorious before he passed away for having lost thousands of customers because he was supporting a magazine limit and assault weapons ban. And a lot of his customers kind of took that personally and swore off Ruger until the old man Ruger passed away and the company passed to other people. And then you have like Spring. I try things not. Springfield might be Smith & Wesson.

I'd have to look back through my nose from old shows. But like there have been several times where different manufacturers have supported gun control efforts. or have made public statements in support of gun control efforts, and they've lost customers in the process of doing that because some people kind of take that personally. But I've pointed out to a lot of people because they say, like, if your business is selling guns to people, why would you support gun control?

And I'm like, you need to understand that a lot of the people that are running these companies, and I don't want to allege that this gentleman falls into this bucket, but let's humor me for a moment, he might. They would be just as happy selling washing machines. They don't sell guns. They don't manufacture guns. They don't do it because they like guns. They do it because it makes money.

They don't care. They would be just as happy selling washing machines. So there's no ideological drive behind their decision working industry. And I would guess from the sound of it, there's probably no ideological drive for him to run that website or that it makes money. So what I would encourage the listenership to do with that little tidbit of information is look at the people you support and the people you listen to. and for God's sakes people you spend money with and pay close attention to do their actions match.

Amen. If this is a person who lives what they preach, then they might be about their business. And if this is a person who like, you know, is 400 pounds and lives in an apartment in the middle of the city and does end up, but they're preaching to you that you need homestead and prep. I would be highly suspicious very quickly. Yeah.

Yeah. Coming off of the Obama presidency and then starting a president. Prepper website. That's pretty sweet. Let me play Del's Apptip with that for just one brief moment, James. Because through Prepper Camp specifically and through the prepping community, I've met seriously hardcore, like multiple piercings, blue hair progressives. I've met them. And they are deep, deep, deep into the prepping community. Now, the reason they might be preppers, very well might be because they're worried about

the fascists or the neo-Nazis. or the next time the bad orange man gets in office. Whatever their, quote-unquote, zombie is, whatever motive them to get into prepping, might be very different from mine, but I'm still like, hey, you're prepared. Cool beans. We have something in common.

Like, I don't care what you're scared of. I just care that you're prepped. Because now it means if you're worried about the fascist kicking in your door, then you're also prepared for the gangbanger kicking in your door. It doesn't matter. Once you're in the club, you're in the club. You can be scared of whatever you want. Or you can be prepared for it.

whatever you want. But like, I've seen people, so I don't want to rule a person out of prepping just because they are now or have been a progressive, but I will allow that those two, those things don't usually run together. Yeah, I guess if you've got food and water, it doesn't matter, right? I think it tends to make them almost maybe not quite, but a little more objective when certain cases or scenarios then do become. you know, or do happen. I don't know. I mean, you know, sitting here watching the government response to a massive hurricane hit my state, turned me into a proper overnight. Because I looked around, I looked around to what was good.

Oh, I was in Louisiana National Guard for Hurricane Katrina down here in Louisiana. And that was six months after I just finished a hop to Iraq. Oh, so. I spent about, I spent about him. He had no chance of a normal life. my 20s were much much more interesting than some people's. I would have loved to have had a boring life, but you know. I don't think any of us have had a boring life.

No, most of us happen. That's the funny part about talking to a big group of preppers is whenever you ask, whenever you ask the $20 question of what got you interested in prepping, you almost always get a different answer. But everybody arrives at the same, everybody gets off at the same. We all start it differently, but we all have a commonality. You know, we have, if not the same, very similar goals and ways of wanting to achieve that. Now, some people are more guns and beans.

Some of us are more skills and textiles or whatever. I like to think I'm well-rounded. I'm a jack-of-all and a master of none, but I enjoy every bit of it. Yeah. I don't know. Me living in the suburbs kind of precludes me getting in the homesteader life for now, but I don't know how you do it because going from rural to where I'm at now drives me nuts 400 acres to 40 feet is is a huge drop in the bucket but I'm to a point

220 square feet yeah I'm in a two-bedroom one and a half back duplex and Myrtle Beach and it is it's better than the condo I was in which was a walk-in closet. But I'm to a point, I've got a stackable pots. Thank you, Garden Girl. She was the one who recommended them. And I'm thinking about getting a UV grow light so I can actually grow my vegetables inside because space is so limited and my yard is non-existent that I would like to still be able to have produce or options for other food because I love gardening. And unfortunately, with our space, we're quite limited. I guess you guys didn't hear the 120 square foot prepping show by Lois.

It's a wild ride. You should check it out. It's been interesting. I wish I could grow stuff. I mean, I know I can grow stuff. It's just right now in my living condition, not going to happen. But, okay, guys, I'm home so I can actually, hold on. Hold on.

I'm going to open my door. Oh, my God, it's 85. Inside. That sounds wonderful. I like that. But it's the humidity of 60%. Only 60? Oh, hell.

You're talking to the wrong crowd about humidity. I would roll over broken glass for 60s. I know. We usually aren't below 90-something, and we've been 110 the last period. Oh, God. Okay, you guys get me scared because you know I'm going to be out there in three weeks, three weeks. Is that what it is? Three weeks to Tennessee?

You know, strangely enough, strangely enough, this convergence of PBN in Tennessee has taken on another who's Tennessee bound, which is really interesting. Yeah, you still, you stopped to hook me up with that gal, but you said she's been buying property out there. Oh, yeah, I got to do that. Yeah, she doesn't buy it. She already had it. But, yeah, she's in the chat room right now. She's a sole chatter right now, actually. Oh, tell you guys.

I'll hook you guys up on the email for sure. That is actually my dream place to go to. My dad's out there. Family, you know, I love the smokies. I love camping out there and everything. It's a weird thing that's happening with that state. You know, Tim's buying land there. One reason why I'm liking it is because no state income tax,

and I am in love with the thing about how their state government is saying, you know, if you buy precious metals and you buy a house, we are, I'll say how they said it. I want to say it the right way. They do not want to be a part of a federal central currency. And if you're a homeowner, they will help your precious metals safely. And they want nothing to do with central currency. And I went, okay, they are really on my list right now. That I really like. And also, if you don't want the jab, you don't have to get the jab. If you want to get the jab, you can up to Kentucky or North Carolina or anywhere else. They

don't care. And I've started looking at jobs out there. And not one of them are listening. I was looking at 100 jobs today. Nobody was listening. Must have a passport. Must have this. Must have that. I'm like, wow. Because out here, when

I lost my job before I got the one I'm at now, I can't begin to tell you how many of them were saying, must have the shot, must have this. And there would be somewhere I would go on the interview. They didn't say in the job description, hey, must have the shot.

I fell for the trap of how they asked me the question. Oh, by the way, did you happen to get the shot? And because I said no, automatically, okay, nice meeting with you. That seems illegal. It is. It is actually... It's a violation. It's a violation.

They can't actually ask you unless the only way around would be if it's a job that requires your medical documents. But you're right, Callie's different. But I do have a question. It's a little off-kilter. Now, I had heard that California was proposing and placing a move tax for any individuals who were leaving the state of California. Yes, based on the income you're making.

Yes, it's like a percentage of the income that they were making when they leave because they have to make up for the income that's going to be lost to their state taxes for those individuals. Because there's been a mass exodus of all these individuals leave in Cali. That's like the definition of California right there. I don't know how on God's green earth they even think they're going to enforce that because I'd be honest with y'all. Like if I lived, God forbid in California and I moved and they sent me a tax bill, I would again take a picture of a middle finger put in the envelope and mail it back to them. They haven't listed where the penalties are on there, too. Penalized my ass.

I just, that's one of the reasons is why I'm wanting to move, because they were saying this, and I went, are you kidding me? And I know they're trying to institute the 15-minute cities, which really cracks me up because I'm like, really?

It takes an hour and a half for most people to get to a job, so how can they create a 15-minute city? And they're going to pay a move tax. On top of that, I'm like, oh, my God. I love that. That's my new favorite thing. The getaway tax, the runaway tax from California is so great.

The exit tax. Because when I saw that kick in, I'm like, oh, God, I wonder how they're going to do that when I decided. Because my goal is to leave in 2025. And unless I can, you know, if I win the lottery, I'm out of there sooner. Yeah, I just laugh. It's great. It's so beautiful. It's like everybody.

he's leaving because of high taxes. Well, what should we do to get them back, boss? I don't worry about that. We'll just tax him on the way out. Oh, my God, that's so good. Well, the house that I'm living in, the property taxed that the guy that I, in the house that I live in,

his property taxes were $12,000 last year. And I'm like, how the hell can you afford that? Oh, I don't doubt it. Like, the cost of living here has jumped exponentially because of all the New Yorkers and New Jerseyans who are selling their homes and moving down that my landlord is like, hey, I'm sorry. And unfortunately, South Carolina does not regulate how much they can increase your rent by date. It went up almost $450. Nothing I can legally do about it, but pay or move out.

And so $180,000 home here is going for $360,000. And it's, it is ridiculous because the property. all of the property taxes on these duplexes have increased in a way that all of the landlords have to increase the rent. So if you were paying $8.50 last month, you're paying anywhere from $1,200 on the low end to $1,500 average for a two-bedroom. And what's really scaring me is that things are going up so fast that I've joined a generation. We're being known as the homeless retirees because here we are collecting Social Security. when it comes time to it. And it's not enough to live. Exactly. I'm like, I have to work till I'm 70.

My mother is going through the same thing because she told me, she goes, I, she wanted to take early retirement. And she goes, she goes, I can't. She goes, I'm going to have to keep working for six additional years. And I still am not going to make enough to live on that. She has to start putting back now for those six years to be able to make up for her mortgage, cost of living. and she tells me she says, I'm sorry, baby girl, but you're not going to have a retirement. I'm like, well, I'm not surprised.

I'm barely making it now. Yeah, I'm barely making it now. And it's funny because, like, what I'm bringing in now, that was considered great money 20 years ago. Now, there was a report that came out for Orange County that if you make less than $100,000, your poverty level in Orange County.

Sounds about right. And this whole conversation about the cost of living and everything else has just kind of elucidated a historical analog. Because, Lisa, you mentioned that the California exit tax, it's based on how much you were making in California, right? Okay, so let's run this through Phil's brain filter. And fair warning, Lisa, like my education is in business and finance and economics. So I'm the prepper that starts nerding out about money and shit. I want to talk to.

just don't ask for financial advice because I don't give it. I'm not for an account for company, so that's okay. So let's think about this. Ostensibly, if you take a job to leave California at almost any other state because of the disparity in wages and the disparity in cost of living, you're probably going to take a pay cut, which means you're going to be making less money and probably have less expendable income. And yet the tax that you're going to be charged is going to be based on the exponential higher and absolutely inflated amount you were making in California. So this has a very definite effect of basically, like, if y'all think about, think about like the Robert Barron's

early 1900s pre-World War I, where some of these people that were working factory jobs, like they had to buy their tools from the company store, and it was at such an inflated amount, like you bought your tools from the company store, you rented space from the company store, you bought your clothes from the company store, and they never let you. you pay it off so you were always in debt to them. And that is what California is doing with this tax. They're making it where if you wanted to move out of the state and take a lower paying job, you can't afford to. You are in debt to the company store. You are going to stay on the plantation and keep working. And if that sounds the least little bit inflammatory, that's how disgusting I find

this practice. Oh, yeah. I was, when I was looking for a similar job of what like here's my job title here how much would it be say out of national not that i'm going to be able for national i was like oh my god it pays the same are you kidding me and then i went to that uh website where it does a google fight of between cities and where anywhere in tennessee is 42% cheaper than i like okay hit me up for the text because hey i'll be making the same pay that i am leaving hit me up baby i'm down with this which i'm going to tell you I'm a bit envious in a way of individuals who are coming from Cali and New York, New Jersey, because of the fact that their blue collar, their lower end housing is still valued so much more.

Because like where I'm at and where I came from, you know, I'm a, like I said, I was a pharmacy tech, but I can't make good money on the East Coast as one. So I have to work for other states, you know. and it makes it difficult because for y'all, I mean, great incomes, and I'm just happy, not saying this is what I'm making, but for example, someone of, you know, my family class, where you make anywhere from 30 to 40,000 a year, just average for our first job. So it makes it hard because, like, I would love to move, but because I don't have enough equity or whatever, I can't get qualified to buy a home for anything. more than 40, 50,000. And it's almost impossible to buy a home for 40 or 50,000. Yeah. I mean, that's just a little less than, a little less than, a little less than what I'm bringing in. And that's what shocked me. I was like, oh, my God, if I want to find something,

I'm looking at maybe 100,000. I said, okay, let's see. What kind of neighborhoods are there for 100,000? Oh, I'd tell you this. If I could get approved for 100,000, you'd be surprised the number of homes I've found for 80,000 that would be perfect with land, perfect with land. And even a 60,000, but I can't get approved for more. And they're like, well, you need to have a higher income. I'm like, well, how the heck am I supposed to do that when I'm already busting my ass and you're the nine to five on top of a second job every now and then, on top of being pregnant.

But that's also a downstream effect of the economy being the way it is and our national debt being as high as it is and our interest rates going up because I kind of tried to blow the list on this a couple of, like maybe a year or two ago and I told her by then, I'm like the amount of money they're printing, the amount of the national debt is going up,

sooner or later they're not going to, the Federal Reserve is not going to have a choice. They're going to have to raise interest rates or they're going to put a match to this whole thing and burn it to the ground all once. And knowing the Federal Reserve and the government, they're going to keep the House of course to as long as possible before it falls. So I kind of saw all this

common is not like I'm Nostradamus, it's just I've got a little bit of common sense in the economic background to kind of recognize what's coming. And I said what's going to happen is people who were once in a position to take on a mortgage are suddenly not going to be in that position any longer. And it's not going to be people with the 500 credit score with the horrible debt to income ratio with no money in their savings. They were already having trouble getting mortgages. They may not have been able to. It's going to be the people who had an okay debt to income ratio, had an okay credit score, maybe not had as much as the bank wanted to be put down, but somebody would work with them that will suddenly be pushed out of the market, and that is

going to continue to escalate as time goes on. And it is happening in the housing market, and it's about to start really happening in the car market, too, because so many cars, so many new cars got sold during COVID and these dealers and these financiers, they factored in the COVID stimulus checks to people's income ratios. And as soon as the enhanced unemployment went

away, they couldn't pay the note. So now all those cars are getting repossessed. Oh, yeah, and that bubble was about pop. Were you the one who put in the chat, or was it Carl, about the now the national average for a car payment is $703?

That's insanity. he did and that doesn't shock me. Yeah. In 2018, I was able after what my ex had done to me, I was lucky to be able to get into a car. And I loved my little rat for, and I stupidly got rid of it and went for a Highlander because at the time, the interest rate had dropped,

and it was going to be the, like, I was paying an outrageous payment, the size of a truck kind of a payment. And I thought, you know what, I must go big, then go home. and then last summer I stupidly oh my god I was spending over $400 a month on gas so I said you know what I need to get rid of this car so now I'm in the smallest car I've ever had and my payment is almost $700 and I'm like oh see that's that's where I'm at a point I'm in a Nissan rogue my payment's almost $600 which is less than the last one still upside down but I need a bigger vehicle and I can't rationalize right now even though it's what we need. I cannot rationalize trying to go through all of that to get the hit on the credit with no money down to get stuck with the payment even higher and then be

upside down for twice as long again. So I'm just like it's one of those. Which one? And you just said, you just said the quiet part out loud though, is that a lot of the reason why these, the reason why so many of these new car payments are as high as they are, not the reason, but part of it is because there's been so many negative equity trades that have gone on. For anybody that's not familiar with that term, that literally means, I am upside down on a car. I owe $15,000 on the car, but it's only worth $10, but I really want a new car. So I go to the dealership and make a deal, and they take the $5,000. I need to borrow to pay off the old loan and get rid of the old car.

And that goes on the new loan. So the day you drive that $30,000 car off the lot, that's going to be worth $25,000 in about one mile. You're already $5,000 over the line before you even drive the first mile. And as soon as you take it off the lot, we lost $5,000, so now you're damn the whole $10,000. And it sounds like a crazy scheme. Guys, I can sit all night and scream and yell about finance your tricks that I think are so predatory. they almost ought to be illegal. But my libertarian,

for those who are going to go car shop, never tell them what you want your payment to be. Never tell them what you want your payment to be, because that's like one of those go-toes, because as soon as you tell them, they start, you know, oh, well, what's the max you're willing to pay? You know, they're, they're finagle.

The other two things I tell everybody about car shopping is, and there will be other people that have a totally different way of doing this, I do, and that's fine. You do you. This is what's worked for me. I've been buying my own vehicles for, you know, getting on about 20 years. So, first of all, you go to your bank, your checking, your, wherever you have a checking account, preferably a local credit union, they tend to work with you better and give you better interest rates. Go to a local credit union and you get pre-approved from them. So you know

exactly how much money they're willing to loan you at what terms and what your payment options are going to be for that. Then you, independently determined, but this all happens before you ever go looking at cars. You determine how much monthly, how much you can spend out of your monthly budget. And if you're not managing a monthly budget, you're already wrong. Go back and do that before you do this.

But you determine how much out of your monthly budget you can comfortably spend for this car payment. And it better not be a stretch or a, I have to juggle, or I have to rob Peter pay Paul. It'd better be comfortable. And then armed with those two pieces of knowledge, now you go car shopping. because you're not going to be talked into, well, you said you could spend $250 a month,

but this car is $270 a month. You're not going to be talking into that. Your debt, your self-imposed limit is however much it is. You already have loan terms negotiated. If the dealership wants to try to work you a better deal, let them try. I wouldn't tell them what rates you got. I would just tell them, you go work out your financing, you let me know how good of a deal you can cut me. And if they say, what do you, your monthly payment,

tell them, no, no, no, no, you go work out your numbers. Don't give them information. Make them work for you. Make them work to give you the best deal possible. But understand going into this that if you take out a six-year loan and instead of a five-year loan, you're going to pay more for the vehicle because the interest is going to be calculated over a longer period of time. You're going to pay more over the life of the loan.

If the interest rate is higher, you will pay more for the vehicle. And I'm paying for my upside down. You want to hear something crazy? Where do you live, Phil? Louisiana. Just not too far from New Orleans. So here's something crazy. I found out last summer.

I went, I thought, okay, since moving back to California and trying to rebuild my life after what my, my excessman basically ran my credit from 800 to like 400. And over the past seven years, I've rebuilt my life. And I thought, okay, my credit is like $6.90. And I went to the credit union I used to be a part of. And they said, nope, we don't take any new clients unless their credit is old. over $750, no bank, no credit union in California. We'll look at people. I'm like, oh, my God.

This was just yet another nail for me of time to leave, time to leave, time to leave. And the way I'm trying to see it to make myself happy before I go nuts is that, okay, so the car is smaller, the payment's bad. I've made sure I have no other debts, so it's just a car, and it'll force me to get rid of more stuff. So out of the 120 square feet, yeah, everything has to fit in one pod and I'm the heck out of here. And I will say that as far as the whole argument of, I wish I could get a smaller car because it's better on gas. I saw this back in 2008, I want to say, when gas prices went ballistic, the national average was like getting close to about five bucks a gallon. Somebody correct me on that year. But it's been a while now.

but I remember that time and I remember more than one person selling enormous SUVs to get into a little bitty fuel sipping cars and it created a situation at least in my local area where the you could go out and get a freaking Ford excursion option out low miles beautiful condition diesel for stupid money for like Honda Civic money because there was no demand for them everybody was unloading them and if you had a Toyota Prius and wanted to make some money. you could sell that SOB for double what it was worth to any sucker you found. It created this weird little micro economy where anything that was a quote-unquote gas sipper was hyperinflated and all the gas guzzlers were very cheap. And what somebody actually said, a couple of people sat down and determined this and I did the math myself and it checks out. But they actually looked at the purchase price of one of these more fuel efficient vehicles and the difference in gas mileage between that and say a mid-sized SUV.

and they determined that you would have to drive that vehicle for something like eight years to break even on the cost of fuel, which that high only lasted about a year. Jeez. So all of us all about the Tesla. Yeah. So I guess what I would say is I know I understand your situation. I understand it's painful. You probably paid a little bit of Toyota tax.

And I understand because I have a Tacoma sitting down the driveway. I'm very familiar with Toyota tax. but if you take care of it you've got a vehicle that will last you 250,000 miles, you will get your life out of it. Yep, that's one. And I made sure, like, I was able to negotiate getting a little rack on it. I said, okay, so when I'm doing my big move, I can do this. Oh, yeah, it's funny.

When you were talking about that, when I walked into one of the only car dealerships actually had cars, all I saw were rise. And I'm like, whoa, because just right before the pandemic, so many people all over L.A. in Orange County had Marais but they were going for $90,000 and I'll never forget this. I'm walking in the car dealership and these high-end

cars and I think of them as the nice cold fusion cars they were going for $30,000. And I'm like, what? I went on my phone, looked online and went, oh my God, if I try going out of states there are no hydrogen fuel cell chargers anywhere outside of California.

Otherwise it was like, oh man, I would have done a Marai. But it's like Are you kidding? You can't get out. You can't recharge. The minute you are at the border, California, like, want to run to Vegas? It's like, oh, wow. No wonder everyone's dumping the marize.

Well, I mean, call it what it is. In a month or so, I'm going to be making the pilgrimage trip to Preper Camp. And for me, that is 1,300 miles round trip that I'm going to be doing pretty good for myself. If I make 18 miles to a gallon in a pickup truck with 6 or 700 pounds worth of gear in the back of it. I mean, that's just the cost to do in business when you have a pickup truck. But I also know that I have a vehicle that has 130,000 miles on it. And it's paid for as of a couple weeks ago. Congratulations.

I'm going to ride that old SOB until they have to bury me on it. It's like, I don't, at this point, it would be worth it to me if I had to put a rebuild engine or transmission into it to keep it on the road. It's paid for. It's a friggin, it's a very, you know, it's a good truck. it will friggin' pull 6500 pounds. And if I wanted to go replace with anything new, they'd do the same thing. It cost me $35, $40,000.

Boy. So... Are there hotels nearby? Because every time I first heard you guys talking about, okay, sorry about that segue, but it was perfect. You guys were talking about it was like on a mountain. And then when I went to Preppercamp.com, all I said was this picture

and it looked like a golf course. It's not a golf course. but um no it is a campground yeah it is a it is a private campground it's probably a little bit late to get like i don't know what your level of roughing it is but you might be able to get into the unimproved campsites at this stage maybe and that's boondocking so like no power no water no toilets like you're gonna have to you're gonna have to really rough it but that being said i mean it's not too far from saluta north carolina so if you're considering going i would be shocked if there's There's not like Airbnb's or something in that area.

I'll go for next year then, and you guys won't even know what I look like, and I'm like, I'm Lois Lane. Oh, my God, it's Lois Lane. Every year I go to Preper Camp, I get somebody will either recognize me or they'll recognize my voice and just walk up to me and start talking to me. And the first time it happened, it was a little weird. Now I've kind of gotten used to it. But, you know, when you have a beard halfway down your chest, I guess it's kind of hard to miss me. And I thought that was just a coffee stain. Oh, no.

Still don't sell too much coffee. Because I think what I'll do is right now I'm all about checking out back east. And the next year, I'm not even going to plan on going in any balls. Any money I bring in is strictly for getting the hell out of the state. But I would go to I would go to Preper Camp. I'm more than happy to like, if I have to, I will rent a hotel. I'll try seeing how much a camper van is. and it's like okay and then just get to meet all you guys so i could see and have a face with a name

buy buy your tickets as soon as they come out it will be the cheapest that you can get them out yeah usually it's around what thanksgiving no yep thanksgiving i was going to say november so yeah you'll hear about it listening to us you'll hear all about tickets are going on sale tickets are going up at this time. And, you know, on all honesty, we could probably fit you somewhere in the vendor area. I'm not a vendor.

I'll just sit there and it's like, me, I haven't camps in like 40-some on the year, so this is the girl probably like, I'll go to a hotel. I'll try getting a camper van because I'll be like, oh my God, mosquitoes. Eh, eh. Well, they got cabbages usually aren't too bad out there. Yeah, surprisingly, right?

Right on the lake. Usually by then it's pretty cool. Yeah, there's usually not mosquitoes. Now, if you're right on the lake, the only thing you have to worry about is all the moisture or the dew from the lake. Okay. Like, I'm just going to keep my mouth short of. Every time you bring up humidity or moisture, I'm just like, what do you think I have about there? I know, I'm from the same region, but I mean, like, the dew, the morning dew being all over everything on your tent. That's the only thing. Like, elsewise, I don't have any problems with it. To me, it's cool. You saw me

freaking walking around in a sweater. I'd prefer the heat. Oh, my God. All right, someone's got to send me the link of where it is because of, is it really just Preppercamp.com? So I saw the right. Prepercamp.com.

Yeah, you were there. Today, this is the big 10-year anniversary this year. That's what's kind of cool. Then the campgrounds is Orchard Lake. Okay, so I just see the... Okay, okay. But if you go to Preppercamp.com, it has the information. for Orchard Lake and the festivities and all that nonsense.

I'm like, I'll come as an attendee. I'm like, I don't know what else I can have to offer, but I'm more than happy to sit in on a pod and go, hi, Lois Lane here, sweating her butt off. You're doing the whole podcast thing, right? Probably worth starting that conversation with the audience. Yeah, I'll drop that on you all just real quick before I got a head off. It's almost shower time for me.

But so, yeah, we got an invitation from Rick to, grab a vendor's booth down in the vendors area this year, which in the past, we've always done, like, quote-unquote, the fireside chats. So what Matter of Facts podcast has always done at Preper Camp is that in the evenings, after hours, we would set up the recording gear. We'd pretty much invite, like, friends of ours from the podcast, neighbors, anybody that's camp around us, we'd invite them to come on and, like, grab a microphone and just be part of the show.

We'd record content out there, and we'd post it afterwards. Rick asked us if we would want to take our show into the vendors area. So our rough plan is 930, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday morning. Andrew and I are going to actually record a legit show in the vendors area. And if anybody wants to make monkey shines at us or, you know, herangus and hassles from the audience, y'all have fun with that. And we'll post that right there as soon as the show is concluded every morning. So if anybody wants to listen to the festivities, they can literally get on a data signal and grab the podcast. right there while they're walking around the show if it pleases them.

And then we're going walking around watching everybody how hung over they are the next day going. So that's what you look like hungover. And then three times. I don't have the times in front of me. I wasn't ready to that part. But we're going to have a microphone open to guest attendee, showgoers three times on Friday and Saturday. So that information is going to be we're going to have some posters made. And we're going to try to get Rick to post those at registration.

And I'll have one at the matter of fact, vendors booth. We're not selling anything. I guess we're just there to hang out and kind of, you know, invite the attendees into podcasting. Nice. It's going to be awesome. It's a great idea. I like seeing how there's like classes I could take.

Like if I wanted to learn, you know, self-defense without a weapon and just being a single female. Sarah Hathaway. Our Sunday host does a hands-on class every year for just that. She's biased. And it's like, oh my God, yeah. And just learning about homesteading because it's like, that's my goal. And because if a couple of us out here are actually thinking, if we can, that we buy some property and we build on it and we keep an eye on each other.

Just we golden girls it, so to speak, just because none of us have kids and some of us are married, some aren't. And if somebody dies, it's just like, okay, just bury them in the backyard. Okay, next. but at least we have somebody there to take care of each other and we all dance and I'm the crazy one that's like I want to go look for Bigfoot

let's do this come on I want to go swatching come on there you go you're one of those in every group yeah oh for sure but James if you'll excuse him in I am going to punch out of the cockpit and let you enjoy

the rest of y'all's night Lisa is good to meet you I think it's a good time for us to call it yes considering you want to have I see chicken wings and now I'm hungry. Thank you. Oh, there you go. You can count on the pregnant lady for munchies.

Well, thanks for joining us, Phil, man. You were awesome. As per usual, we'd expect no less. Shake that beard. Bye. Wow. Bye, Phil. Bye beard. Bye, y'all. See it. Well, I think we should call it a night. Gals, what do you think? Yeah. If you can have that color now. If that gal's able to hook up with me, I would love to find out, you know, she's going to meet up with me

in Tennessee because I ain't going to know a soul out there. I'm so looking forward to this. Getting out of the big city. J.B.'s in chat. It sounds like she's planning on... Oh, I think she's talking about Preper Camp. I'm planning on camping in a hammock. That's it.

Now, does your wife and your family come with you when you're doing Preper Camp? Mine do not. No, I have yet to have been able to convince them to camp behind my coffee booth for three days on a lake for no electricity, none of that kind of stuff. It's a tough sell. Yeah, he does in the vendor area.

That works out. You guys were naturals tonight, man. You guys took Lisa in like she was one of our own. I appreciate that. And you assimilated to the group podcast very well, too. And I'm still, hey, I'm definitely wanting to do the voiceover stuff to help out. So when's your baby do, by the way? At this point, any day.

Any minute. I thought you were getting ready to have them right now. I thought that's what this is all the standing up was. Well, I was having a contraction earlier. That's okay. And then I was like, I needed a snack. So yes, I'm in the listening audience. I'm in the very early stages of labor right now.

The listening audience can't hear it, but Jordan is as pregnant as a human can be. I am, and this is number four, so at this point I can just pop them out. My mother-outlaw, she was able to give birth so easily that, yeah, one time the funniest story she had ever told me was that she was in the hospital and this was her second baby. And she just thought she had to go to the restroom and she had her baby in the toilet. And we all laughed. Sorry, that was... Any woman who's had a child naturally, and not saying those who haven't, you know, within epidural,

it's the same sensation initially as you feel like you have to go to the backroom. Wow. I'm glad I'm there. Yeah, that always scared my pregnancy and childbirth. I was like, no, no, no. Give me the baby afterwards. No, no, no. I have one who's about to be 14 and one who's about to be 10 and 8. So this is my surprise. That was he surprised. She thought he was done. Oh, no, he has dropped.

Really? Yeah, he has the hiccups. I'm waiting on a hand to wave at y'all. That's why she's walking around. She's waiting for the regular. Oh, my God. Actually, I'm walking just to help ease it because I do have pressure and everything right now. I'm glad that James already knows.

He's got two kids in. Oh, yeah. Well, I don't know. No, I didn't do shit. You know what I mean? And my wife, she's like in, you know, 45-minute delivery every time. It's so easy. Oh, geez.

My last daughter, she came in 30 minutes. Yeah, that's what it's like. Oh, my God. You barely can get in the car and you're dropping a child. Oh, my God. Well, there goes me trying to get in the Pasadena salad recipe for you. There's a place out here that they're famous that whenever a pregnant woman has their salad within 12 hours.

They're having a baby. Wow. What's salad so I can have it? I'll look it up. I'll look it up. But yeah, thank you for your info about what you're talking about with some of the the MRNA stuff and that Texas Lensie thing.

It's the only thing I can find for any of us that we're going to be stuck. That like here in a big city and I'm going to have MRNA food. and what can we do? You know, we can't really grow. And they're trying to get rid of all those small farmers out here in Orange County. Oh, yeah. They're going to try to get rid of all of them here sooner rather than later. They're trying to get rid of, I think they just made cows illegal in California.

I'm like, are you kidding me? You already killed all the almonds trees. Cow illegal. I'm going to get a bunch of them and tell them I'm Buddhist and I worship them. And they just go missing every once in a while. One will go missing. I don't know where it went. And somehow they didn't have

It on the coyotes Yeah, there you go The coyotes Filate them up And put them in my freezer You wouldn't believe it They did such a beautiful job of it too Yeah, exactly

Cryovact and everything All right PBIF family What you do Is you say I saw that a coyote Had just killed it And I rained it off And there was no point And letting it go to waste

There you go So you're actually preserving Your little idle there Yeah, I tried to give it To be a homeless But they're all vegan so, you know, is what it is. Couldn't.

Please tell me we're off the air right now. No, no, definitely not. Definitely not. We're still on air. We are? Oh, yeah, for sure. 100%. One hour, 40 minutes in.

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us at Prepperbroadcasting.com. Just a quick rundown of kind of your experience and how you got into what you do and then, of course, plug what you do so that everybody gets a chance to go follow. You want to say find out all that you know. Hi. Sure. Yeah. Well, I've been involved in survival and preparedness for almost 20 years now. I started getting more noticed in the community with my.

the publishing of my first book, which is called the Moro Survival Manual, surviving the economic collapse, which is based on my experience of living in Argentina, where I am from, the country went through an economic meltdown in 2001, learned a lot through that, and since then never stopped, really. I've been learning from classes, from experience, moving around, meeting wonderful people. since then I left Argentina, bugged out, moved a bunch of times as well, and published a couple more books. And the latest one I have is called Street Survival Skills, which is a lot of this practical, hands-on type of knowledge. And that's where I mostly spend my time dedicated to this.

And in my channel, the Mara Survival is in YouTube as well. So a wealth of knowledge with us tonight, folks, if you haven't heard of him before, I can't, to be honest, Fernando, I've been following you for so long. I don't even remember when I first heard of you, you know? I only just got back into, and it's only because of all the stuff I got going on. Yeah. But Chin set this meeting up, and in fact, he sent me a video of you speaking your piece on Black, rightful coffee.

I don't want to get into that. but he's I can't get into that I've been beating that to death with our own coffee company so I don't want to milk that any more than I already have but anyway

I got that video I really dug it and I was like oh man yeah it'd be cool to have him on and Chin said the same thing so he set this whole thing up which was really cool of him great guy Chin

oh man he is uh chin is he's like the ghost of the prepper community like no really you know who he is man he's Kaiser Sozee. He's always there.

He's always floating around somewhere. That's what I think we need to. We've given him so many nicknames, though. I don't know if we can give him another one, because he's been kind of our IT guy too. But yeah, I think Chin might be the Kaiser Sozay of prepping, right? That could be it. Anyway, so, yeah, I mean, everybody really don't need to do an overview of where the nation is

or even pinpoint sort of one specific threat. Nowadays, you know, it seems like everything's turned on to a hundred. Yeah. But I'll tell you what you have that no other guest has that we have had on is to be a person who's lived through a socioeconomic decline or collapse. And, you know, I'm sure you have some very unique takes on the things that you're seeing in America. And I'd love to kind of, kind of, if you could, give, when, when Fernando wakes up. and looks at the landscape of, you know, politics and the economy and, you know, the cultural revolution that's happening in America? What are the things that, what are the things that

really stand out to you and you make you kind of, you know, we all see things when we read certain news stories or certain headlines that make us twinge, you know? What are the things in the signs that make you twinge when you see, see what's happening in our nation? Well, the obvious turn to the left that you're all seeing and you can barely believe, but it's one of those things that has, I mean, I've been talking about years, I've been talking for years about the economic aspect, the economic meltdown, inflation, how, you know, the currency loses its value, fiat currency. But one of the things that I've always insisted on is, is it politically.

aspect as well because most of this is strongly linked to the political, you know, affiliation and the political side that the government has. In our case, the disaster was strongly linked to a far left government that came back with a vengeance. And that's what, I mean, you can recover from an economic downturn if you have the right people in government, you know, if you have people that are open to business, the idea that you know, people will find a way you should have just a clean landscape for people to bring out their, the best in them, you know, start their own businesses, do well, freedom, opportunities.

That's what you want to have. So as to rebuild a country that is suffering economically, the worst thing you can do it is throw far left communism and socialism to the mix. And that's what we did in Argentina with a far left government that was, horrific. I mean, corrupt as nothing we've ever seen before. But this idea that the more intervention that you have, the more control that you have, the more freedom that you give up is going to be better in any way. That's complete madness. And, you know, rather than Argentina, I think that the best example of this is Venezuela. Venezuela is a perfect example of what

socialism does to a country. So when you have politicians in the United States that are now going to be taking office, and so many of them are strongly affiliated to the idea that Venezuela or Amerisuela, as I heard someone mentioned already, you know, that is scary. That is very concerned, really. It's no joke. It's very serious, and you don't get rid of that quickly by any means. It tends to seek around for quite a bit. Where when in Argentina, was there a domination of, and I know there was never an influencer kind of population like there is now or influence, if you will. But were, was there the same level of participation in what was happening in the nation in pop culture the way it's represented in America? because I actually don't know that piece of the history. Yeah. Even more so because voting is mandatory in Argentina.

You have to vote. You have no choice but to vote. You can show up and put up empty piece of paper, but you have to show up and vote. It's mandatory. It's actually illegal for you not to vote. So you have to show up. You have to be in those lists,

and you have to show up with your ID, and you have to vote. So everyone is, is involved in this. Of course, there's fraud, as we all know, it happens, you know, and our big topic of discussion, and it happens in, you know, it's a lot harder to commit fraud when you actually have to show up with a person. So what they would do is, is drag people in buses and exchange food or money for their vote. So they made sure they were voting for them by dragging them to the voting stations.

And yes, of course, dead people vote as well, as we all know. That wouldn't be the first time either. But it's a very, yeah, everyone is very much aware of the political landscape in Argentina. We have a little bit of a different, you know, cake because there's been this, you know, more of a populist like Peron, Evita, that kind of thing, has been very strong. in the Argentine culture for over 80 years now. And it has some variations, but mostly it's been a left or far left government in control of the country. So were there people in films and popular culture who were also pushing that? Like were they saying, this is the right thing to do, this is the guy we should vote for?

Really? That's astounding to me. Yeah, and for the same reasons, you see them do it in the United States because they get paid. They get concerts, they get gigs, they get money out of it. There's so many cases of actresses, actors, singers, you know, celebrities that are endorsing these politicians and this political party because they are just getting paid. They're getting paid for it. So, for example, a no-good actress that is mediocre, to say the least, she will all of a sudden get gigs to talk about feminism.

There was one specific case of an actress. She got paid, like, let's give it a number, like $30,000 for a gig of speaking about feminism in the National Military Factory of Weapons and Ammunition. What is she actually doing there? It makes no sense. I mean, she probably never even showed up. But that's how it was, you know, that's what it was detailed as. And that's just a drop in the bucket.

We're talking about, you know, hundreds of thousands and millions getting paid for celebrities and public figures to endorse these politicians. Yeah, it's astounding. And it's like a low-level Clinton job. That's what it reminds me of one of the, like a low-level version of the Clinton. speeches where they get paid a half million, quarter million to show up and address some people who don't want to listen to them anyway. Dave Jones, you with us still, buddy?

Well, I hope so. I got you. I am chopping at the bit. I know it, you told me. Okay. Well, yeah, I have a huge amount of questions. Fernando and I go. I heard the paper.

What's that? I said I heard the paper unravel. Yeah. Congratulations, too, on the deer. Oh, well, I got a small dough tonight. Okay, about 60, 70 pounds of meat. And got it scone out, got a, it's hanging in the garage right now because it's 20. What's that?

It's still more than you have just a few minutes before you shot it. That's right. Absolutely. Absolutely. 60 more than I got. Well, the reason I'm justifying that is I'm going back. Oh, for us. I got to get me.

I think the limit here where I am is like five deer. Whoa. Took the wrong weapon. Well, here's the thing. I think their biggest predator is a Buick. That's probably right. That's probably right. They don't want them running into cars,

so they give you like a like four dough and a buck you can say yeah yeah so but that's not what i wanted to talk about gosh okay let me start by saying i have all of fernando's books okay so if if you want to model your prepper library after Dave Jones, the NBC guy. I have all of his books. That's a huge endorsement coming from you, David. I really appreciate that because I respect you a great deal and always talk about you when we're talking about the topic of COVID.

You know, great guy to know. That's about when we came into acquaintance. And there again, through chin, the guys are so shame at the Pepper community he's working behind the scenes to get all of us together because you know what

he just wants to hear hey I'm going to put these two guys together and I want to hear what they talk about so true yes so here's the thing we came together and when we started this was

like a year ago or so yeah and we started on nuclear biological chemical and most of this stuff was on radiation and all that kind of stuff because you know jim north korea was going nuts and and then we went right into this yeah yeah january january we were always talking about this remember yes yeah so what a progression my gosh. And now, to have you on the show, when the leftists are about ready to take over, I have got questions for you. Okay. So you are a studier, and you analyze this, probably because you lived it,

okay? But you look at, there's a progression that the left does to take over. And here's the thing. And here's the thing. I know there are points where people need to interject to stop the left taking over. I don't know what those points are, but maybe you do. And that is my question. As you see things unfold in the United States, what is really, really important? Yeah. Stop. Yeah.

Go ahead. There's a couple very important points. First of all, and you know this very well, you know how they infiltrated the education system on all levels, especially in colleges. People focus a lot on the college, this idea that you send your kids to a fancy, expensive college, and all he's going to be getting is brainwashed into loving Che Guevara and that nonsense. But you also have to understand that they do a lot of work in schools, in, in

primary schools, even in kindergarten. So one of the things I'd be very careful now is this. You know, be very careful of who's going to be in control of the education system on a state level, on a federal level, because they're going to be going forward even more than they did already. They're going to be brainwashing your kids in kindergarten with this. That's how they got to this point. That's how you see all these highly educated, you know, between comas, but these educated college graduates to be so fervent left-wingers.

And the other thing they do is they scare people away from politics. And that's something that you don't. I mean, how many times have you heard? Well, in my show, we don't talk about religion. We don't talk about politics because those are the things that kill a show. show or a channel because we've been brainwashed into thinking that you don't have to talk about this because that's like a four little word. That's like a bad word because anything that's a politician has to be bad. Well, if you just let the bad guys run politics, guess what's you're

going to be having in charge? You cannot count on just one guy being the saver. You don't eat, I mean, a lot of people put a lot of trust and hope in Trump. And that's fantastic. Now, You cannot have just one savior doing all a job. You have to be more involved locally. Whatever extent, how far you can reach, go for it. Because the more you get involved with this, the more people you have representing you, the more chance you have to fight in this.

If not, they're going to be taking over. And they're very good at that. And Venezuela is a great example. There's a bunch of others. But once they get hold of it, you're never... These are like fleas on a dog. It's very difficult to eradicate or like weed in your garden. Once it's spread, it's very difficult to deal with.

Well, and the Democrats kind of showed their hand that if they get back in power, they are never going to let up. They're going to pack the Supreme Court. They're going to make D.C. and Puerto Rico state so they get two more senators. and they're never going to relinquish the power if they get it. Well, that is fantastic. Now, you said a bunch of different things that where we can interject ourselves and take action right now. I've taken my kids out of school. I'm homeschooling.

I've been wrestling with this for many years. this year because of COVID it was like we did it for half a year last year. Let's just do it and do it right because the crap that they are being taught in elementary school on up about how terrible the United States is, I couldn't take it anymore.

I could not take it. So let me see if I got another one here. Those conversations about history in particular are, I mean, they are so vital. And I am having them with my son already just based off of what I'm hearing from his teachers here at home. You know, because he's going to school, but he's going to school in our dining room, you know. And I've had several, we've had to have several conversations already. like sit down and let me explain this to you about the things that he's been told and to be honest with you um the on on that this is the weird part on the teacher level they seem to be

echoing something you know it's not an impassioned point that they're making i've had that run in with a teacher before over over uh racism in america but this these things that i'm talking to him about are they're not impassioned to make these points but they just say them you know like almost like they're the ones that have they're kind of like the minion level the the teachers themselves and the and the trickle down comes from like you said sort of the leadership and the education board and uh yeah i i don't know that yeah the scary part is i don't know that i would have had those conversations with him if he weren't at home because i don't think that he would have thought about it thought enough about it to talk about it when he got home you know what i

mean, so I wouldn't have recognized it as an issue. But when you're right next to him, you can go, whoa, whoa, whoa. What did you just say? You have to be very involved. I mean, I have three kids. I have my oldest kid is already in university, starting engineering, doing great. And you know, damn, you don't look that old. Yeah. I know. Yeah. I have a two-year-old as well. So yeah, pretty busy but with my yeah quite a spread

but with my oldest son he's had teachers that were downright communists and you know the way I handled it was you know always being open

you know instead of telling him what I think asking him what do you think what do you think about this what do you think about that and you

smart kids if you lead them the right way they will figure it out on their own. And I find that to be a lot better than just telling him. You have to hate this guy because he's a, you know, he's a thinking comedy. Instead of that, I just tell him, you know what, what do you think about this? Or did you know about this event in history?

Do you know that these, you know, these people did this, you know, at this period of time? Maybe you want to look into that. And they find, they figure things out on their own, you know, but it's important to be involved. I like being with my family. I like being with my kids. I like talking with them. And that is so important these days. More important than ever, because if you're not, that void is going to be filled with the junk that the establishment wants to fill your kids' head with. So you have to be very involved in that. Yeah, it's a crazy thing. You know, my, the standout example was, we have this place in Richmond called Monument Avenue. And Monument Avenue has been a really contentious place over the last year because the monuments primarily on that strip are also surrounded by people, rich people with big homes in the city. And those monuments were primarily civil war heroes.

Right. And the comment that my son's teacher made was that the men on those monuments were bad men. And it was, you know, I didn't, I didn't, sort of like what you said, Fernando, I didn't clarify or break down sort of the list of reasons why they were or weren't bad men to my son. But the point that I conveyed to him was they led the soldiers of the sons. South who because my son is I'm from Philadelphia but my son is is you know he lives in Richmond and his mom is from Richmond so his lineage is in the people who were led by these bad men through the eyes of the school so I just kind of explained that to him I said okay if these guys are bad men then they led your ancestors and that means that they're saying that these people

your great great grandfather was a bad man because of you know that type of thing and it clicked in his head sort of right away. And he's like, how could everybody in the South be a bad person? And I said, well, that's kind of it. That's kind of it. And at the same time, how is it that those men were bad people, but the murderers, the savages that they support, that they believe are the right way to go, some of the millions killed by communism, those were what exactly good people? Yeah, good people that we want to do. to follow. They just got a few things wrong. That's all. The whole, you know, having enough food to feed people and killing your political enemies. If we can just take care of that, then we'll

be good. But yeah. In the in the chat room, real quick, Melinda Lee asked Fernando if you had any advice about how to approach and bring people who have, and I don't know if this is possible, Melinda, just from my opinion, to bring people back to the light who have kind of been, you know, through the system and indoctrinated and they watch CNN and you know the type. I mean, they're all around. Yeah. I think I watch everything. I check CNN.

I check Fox. What I do myself and I also try to teach my children is who's behind those interests? Why is why is this media presenting this view of things? why is CNN saying the things they do? Why is Fox saying the things they do? Why is it that they change all of a sudden angles on certain things? Who owns this media group? And what's the interest of those people?

What I try to do, and what she's asking, she makes a great point. It's not easy. I try to do my best through my channel, through the social, media that they have and every once in a while and fortunately it's quite often I get messages that are very encouraging from people that that tell me you open my eyes to lots of these things I I got myself a gun I never thought I'd be a gun owner but I saved up I got this kid that told me I was saving up for an iPhone and I ended up buying a Glock and that made my day that made my day um that is awesome yeah Hey, so tell everybody your channel.

So if they want more of what they're getting here tonight, how can they get more of you? Yeah, well, I have my channel. It's called The Modern Survivalist in YouTube, and they have it in Spanish as well. So for the entire Spanish community, it's called Supervencia Moderna, and for the English folks, it's the Modern Survivorivist. And I do these shows with Matt Bracking on weekends. They're very popular. People like those as well.

yes I do too thanks thanks so yeah it's not easy you know it's not easy but try to do your

I mean and that's just my my thing I like doing these these things I like doing the videos and interacting with people but maybe for someone else

that's more you know politically involved and has more of a network in your community maybe you can actually run for office maybe you can run for something

in your local community. Maybe you can be someone of authority in your school so as to dictate a little bit of the kind of content that your kids will end up seeing. You know, everyone has to find their own path, but the more you do, and

I insist on this, don't be afraid of getting involved. Don't be afraid of being political, because political is the only way in which you fight this as well. If you don't fight it political, you'll have to fight it in another a far more

horrific manner down the road because that's been the lesson from communism from socialism well yeah and where we're living today

is way different from where you were living back then because social media seems to make things happen in like a nanosecond yeah because when you

experience the collapse in Argentina that was what 20 years ago yeah 2001 yeah yeah so but that I mean that that was the thought that you just put in my head right now I have other questions so I got to go back because I'm old and forgetful so you know you were on one of my shows I interviewed you for collapse happened and I have to tell you, it was one of my most popular shows. It was you and Maria. She lived through

Romania, Chalcestersko, and all that kind of stuff. And it was basic questions, what happened and all that. But as you look at our vote, okay, the vote that just happened. Yeah.

And of course, you say that in Argentina, it's mandatory, which I think that should be the way it is in the United States, but it's not. What are you seeing here that correlates to the other countries that you have studied and how this all went down? Yeah.

Well, there's going to be differences. It's unavoidable because you're talking about the United States. And the way, also keep in mind, the United States has a massive government, It has a government that reaches everywhere. And that can be quite dangerous as well in their wrong hands, especially in the hands of the people that you're seeing right now. The way in which they make you afraid of talking, the way in which people even end up fighting among themselves,

families that don't speak to members, families are divided. I think that one of the greatest successes they've had with this has been that, the division. You know, the breaking up society and making, it used to be that you could have a Democrat, you know, a daughter-in-law or whatever, and that didn't change much. It was still family, you would still sit for dinner. Now you're an enemy. Now they're not speaking to you anymore.

And they just hate your guts. So they've been very successful at manipulating this from a social media way as well. That's been very useful. The way in which we are affected by what we think that we go online and we're just looking at things. No, you're getting fed information. You're getting emotions. You're getting reactions that they want you to have. If they want you to get angry, if they want you get upset at a certain type of news,

they know exactly what you're looking for, how much you stare at a certain image, what type of content you read. So all of that is being used against you in this type of situation. And it's being used to form the social opinion of things. Yeah. So they're using Facebook, Google, Twitter, and the difference between us and Democrats is we think they're wrong. They think we're evil. Correct.

Yeah. Yeah, the difference between a political adversary, which is what it used to be, and now you're an enemy. Now you're someone that needs to be destroyed. That's a scary part. That's the big change. So one of the things I was thinking before we got started, Fernando, when I talked to you briefly about it on the way into the show, was, you know, you, having lived through what you lived through,

and us be, well, I should probably mention the fact that I feel compelled lately, not in everything that we do, obviously, because there's total freedom at the hands of the hosts here, PBN. We don't have a content calendar or anything like that. But personally, I feel compelled lately to give some bits of hope where I can to the listeners because people are in such a, I mean, it's insane where people are mentally some of them. You know what I mean? And it's not a, it's not a weakness thing. I don't think, I think it's just an overwhelmed sort of thing. And I wanted to get your take on, uh, go ahead, Joy.

I was going to say, I think the word you're looking for is low in spirit. Yeah, that's great. That's perfect. Their spirit and their drive has just been sucked out of them. Yeah, that's perfect. And it's the first time ever. Yeah. I've been talking about the end of all things to come and writing about it for a long time.

And this is the first time where it's like, I don't think people need to hear it. You know, I think I think the better thing to do is to give them a little bit of hope. So I wanted to see what your thoughts were on, you know, some of the things in America that really stand against or have the ability to stand against what is happening. Yeah. Yeah, look, there's very, there's a lot of things to be positive about. You have the Second Amendment that defends your right. In spite of whatever law, they may end up coming up with. or whatever regulation or whatever band they may end up coming up with, you still have the Second Amendment,

which is you know, you're recognizing your God-giving right to defend yourself, your family and your country. That's a wonderful thing to have. It's, I, I said that's not the end-all solution for all things that's coming, but it's a great leverage. It's a great safety net for that final, you know, resource if it ends up coming to that sort of thing.

So that's something we talk about in the survival and proper community a lot. But beyond that, you also have the advantage of this hasn't been going on long enough so as to lose hope. If you're, for example, in Cuba, man, you're done. I mean, if you're a Cuban citizen, you're completely disarmed, you're completely brainwashed. you have no hope of achieving anything in a place like that. The only hope you have is jumping on a car tire and swimming your way to Miami. That's the only hope you have.

And in, you know, yeah, and in Venezuela, it's kind of the same thing. Now, the slippery slope is a very real thing. In Venezuela, you know, 20 years went by very fast in Venezuela. So as to make people hopeful. And the good news is it hasn't been 20 years yet. It hasn't been five years yet. Don't give it one year because one of the things these people do is they move very fast. And this is one of the things we definitely saw in Argentina and studying other events similar in Venezuela was the same thing.

They move fast in taking control. The left is very good at that. You have to give them credit for it. They're very good at and very vicious at being power hungry and being, you know, having no remorse whatsoever in the way they achieve that. So be very careful regarding that and don't let them take one inch any little bit you can fight for. So as to retain, you know, a measure of reason, then do that. But you still have time. You still have time as to have your victories here and there.

United States is a very big country. You have 50 different states. You have your county level. You have lots of things where you can keep fighting the good fight in all of it, in every sense of the world, in your local community. So get involved. Be positive about that and try to be a positive influence in your community. Yeah, that's huge.

The power of the individual is... Well, it's something I've been thinking about a lot lately, but it's also, you know, it's one of those things that if you can get over the fear of rejection, you can be pretty effective, at least from my experience. But I think a lot of people are paralyzed by that fear of rejection. One of the things, maybe one of the things that has been a common trait among prepper, survivalists, is we like to stay low-key. You know, we like to be that gray man, you know? Sure. We don't like raising our hands and being the, you don't like being the mom that's organizing the class and the one that's forming the WhatsApp group in your kids' school.

But you have to start doing that more and more. That's the way in which you start getting into these positions where you can influence your local community. This is something that we have to change our mindset and start doing more. Look, I do my thing with what I have with my experience and, the tools I have at hand, for someone else, it may be completely different. For someone else, it's getting in your fire department or being a representative of the folks that you work with or whatever it is or maybe running for whatever office that you have

in your community. Maybe that's something that you can actually do. So getting involved and not being scared of the word, he's going to be running for something that's political. Well, good for you. I mean, if you have the option of being a political figure for good, then by all means do that, because we need that more than ever. I would agree with you, Fernando, and it seems like where they are, I mean, that's probably the biggest disparity between both sides, right? Yeah, they're not afraid of doing that.

Yeah, they're much better at organizing, and I think that that has to do with their, like Dave was saying, they're allied with some. social media so it's easy to put out a post that goes to a you know probably a billion people or something like that if you were to count up all the major accounts that a that a popular post can hit whereas they had a mainstream media yeah all that media promoting everything they do well on the other hand if you and i go out and you'll have a a little rally and start conversations with people you're a far right gun nut which starting his own militia oh yeah for sure well you know there there is something that i have been thinking about fernando and it is kind of uh and it may be necessary at some point it's probably necessary now but it's a lot it's and and it it requires people to

think above and beyond their own sort of living situation and their income but one of the things that I have been mulling over lately, and I wouldn't have the power to do it on my own anyway, is, yeah, I think we need a megaphone, like a megaphone network or a megaphone output opportunity. And I just don't know, I don't know if that's possible, but I know that there are a lot of people who have a lot of followers and a chunk of a voice. And I'm starting to wonder if it wouldn't take a serious collection of some of the bigger names in conservatism and survivalism and all that to come together and drag their audiences willingly or otherwise to one platform so that when we do a show like this, for example, it hits our fan, you know, PBS fans, your fans, but then also a much broader range of people.

because that's that's the weapon that we don't have you know on on our side of things the weapon we don't have is just that it's the ability to get a message is important because we've had some amazing and so have you some amazing conversations some incredibly important things have been said um but you know the the the output just isn't it isn't mainstream it's not that big yeah You know what I mean? If there are limits to, you know, you could break the biggest story in the world, but it's only going to get to so many people. And that's where we're losing, I think.

Yes, it is, it's definitely one of the main things they have going for them is that anything they do, anything they say is going to be repeated time and again by the mainstream media. Well, Dave and I were talking about COVID back in January. And, you know, yeah, sure, folks that were listening to our, the podcast, the channel, those folks were, wow, you call this in January, 28th, I think it was. Yes, the spider spreading, how it's that you protect yourself from that? And on the meantime, it was not even news yet. And even when it was, it was, well, folks shouldn't be wearing a mask because that's not protecting.

And we were talking with David about the different things you can do. and only months later, did they start not only thing that it was a good idea to have a respirator, a gas mask, that sort of thing, but all of a sudden, now it was mandatory to have one of these surgical masks. So, yes, it is definitely an advantage that they have and a disadvantage that we have

and maybe getting together a collection of all the conservative, right-leaning, leaning, channels and networks and websites, it would be nice to have an association of all of them, right? Yeah, sure. Thanks for pointing that out. Thanks for pointing that out. That we, Fernando,

that we were talking about this back in January. Yeah. But here's the thing. I think we need to bring everybody to PBN. This is a gauntlet. This is a gauntlet I'm throwing down in front of the intrepid commander. Okay. Now look, you got connections.

You got people. For sure. And I think PBM is the perfect, the perfect platform for this consolidation, this unity. You know? Yeah. I mean, it's possible. Yeah, the 12th of December, there's going to be a big rally in Washington, D.C. And I would love for the news media to see a flag being flying with PBN on it.

You know, one American news started somewhere, right? Yeah. Well, that maybe... I think that's kind of what I'm talking about, though, Dave, is one American news would be an example of the type of entity that would have to mesh. I'm talking about places like that meshing with places like the blaze. You know, big, big megaphones that have to come together and instead of part, parsing people out, pulling these big voices together, you know, because that's what it takes. Well, I'm talking prepping because prepping is no longer a fringe.

True. After this year, after this year, it has become mainstream, which, by the way, I got to put a plug in for Fortitude Ranch. Do it. They bought the property in northern Nevada. Oh, good. and I just got off a Zoom call before I shot the deer tonight. Actually, I was on the Zoom call while I shot the deer. Oh, geez.

Yeah, talk about your distraction. But Drew said that the property in northern Nevada is the most ready and prepared of all the sites he has right now. And I find that hard to believe, but he went over the water and the structures and everything like that. So anybody that's listening that wants to join in as a member, it's a membership type thing. It's not a condo or anything like that. And you're in the West Coast area, you know, L.A.

no you can't get out now okay when you can get out you might want to look into Fortitude Ranch as a plan B because the memberships oh another thing he he let it out of the bag that after January

the memberships and the tokens are going to go up so either either one of those things. If you buy tokens, the tokens are called fortitudes, or if you buy a membership, now is the time to do it. If you've been on the fence, you've been back and forth, all that kind of stuff, it will never be cheaper than right now. And you get 10% off if you say you heard it from Dave Joe, the NBC guy. So there you go. Yep. And that's that, I'm, I'm very excited about the Nevada property because it's huge. It's huge. It's northern Nevada. There's several

houses on it. It's like 170 acres. It's got its own water, everything. You bring up a good point, Dave Jones, and that is the getting out of Dodge aspect, and I'd like to give Fernando's take on that. Is that a, is that pretty viable? Or was that, I guess, I will. It's a different situation, but was that pretty viable in your experience? You know, especially in the United States, it's going to be a huge difference for people where you are. And this is something we talk about with Matt a lot in my channel is, you know, if you're in one of these blue states where the education is against you,

the law enforcement is against you, they're not prosecuting criminals anymore, because it's considered like a poor persecuted minority, so crime is going up. It's going to be more important than never to be in the right place. Now, in the case of Argentina, it's a little bit different because, sure, it's not as federal in that regard. So you have mostly Buenos Aires and a couple of larger cities, and there's not going to be that much of a big change

if you're in one of the provinces, for example. But in the United States, that would be clearly one of the difference. It makes a big difference where you are. So you want to get into a place where you know that the local sheriff has your back. The governor, the governor's changed, sure. But the mayor of where you live has your back as well. That's the kind of thing you definitely want to look into. And if making a change, I mean, there's lots of people that left California, New York.

I never stop hearing of people that left those places because they're becoming unlivable. It's impossible for people to live in those places. So it happens a lot that people have left in California all year. They've been leaving in New York as well. And going to places like Texas, going to places where you know it's more like-minded folks that you're going to be surrounded with. Yeah. It's a move that a lot of people,

are currently making, you know? And I think, so what was the condition in urban centers? Was it, was it terrifying, terrible? Where were you located in all this, Fernando? And what were you seeing on a day-to-day basis? Well, you know, this all started back in 2001, but I still lived in Argentina for, you know, for many years after that, it's, it was a decade of seeing the country go down year by year. You know, the inflation was terrible. I was living in, like, in the suburbs, the southern suburbs of Buenos Aires, which were, you know, I lived in a nice area, you know, upper middle class would be a good, a good way of putting it. So I lived in an upper middle class area, but I was surrounded of horrible poverty,

you know, left, right, north, south, east, and west. I had poverty all around me. So we were like in a little, in a little bubble, but you just saw this degrade very much throughout the years. The shantytowns grew year by year,

I mean, month by month. All of a sudden, there was a chunk of land that was, you know, the local authority basically gave it up. for them for usurpers and and squatters as to take over and they start building you know their you know little tent cities and a little bit of material but basically shantytowns started sprouting all over the place and just growing

and growing all of that went along with with a horrible crime as well with escalate escalated and got worse year by year. Now, we had four years, you know, what was like, 2015, I think it was 2015, that we had a conservative president winning the elections, a guy called Mauricio Mancari. He's actually friends with Trump, business-friendly type of guy, you know, very well-educated, engineer. But, you know, it was four years of him, but it was every little thing he did was sabotage. Every, you know, strikes every single day, roadblocks and strikes and, you know, kids not going to school because the teacher's union was against him. So it was impossible.

It was sabotage all over. Anything that he did was wrong and he was destroyed and encouraged, nonstop. It was impossible for him to run the country and he still managed to do a good job, but he ended up losing the elections and that was it. And the same people that had been running the country for the last

13 years ended up going back in power. Oh God. Dang. Fernando, I can't remember if I read it in your book or if you told me this on our last interview, but

there was, you know, Argentina was very affluent and had, yeah, for all, sorry, sorry, I'm getting feedback from upstairs. She's telling me there's a, there's a

raccoon at the chicken coop, but you're not done killing yet. Dave. I know. I can't get away from the warden. The warden is always monitoring me. Anyway, you said that people would talk about vacationing on, on, on, at this place or that place, you know, around around work. And that's the way it was just a few years ago.

Yeah. That after the collapse. It was like all they had to live on was the memories. Yeah. Yeah. You would, I mean, it was, especially during the 90s, it was, you were making more money working, you know, like an executive, you know, bank manager. You were making more money in Argentina than in the United States. So, for example, back in those days, a manager would be making $10,000 a month, $100,000.

100,000 a year, 120 a year, and that same guy with that same job would not be making nearly as much money living in the United States. So every once in a while, you heard of people that they got offered a job opportunity in the United States, and they would say, no, I'm good. I'm staying here because I'm making more money in Argentina than in U.S. and you'd go for holidays to the United States but not live there because it was not financially as good of a gig for you. So it was a country where you had a solid middle class for quite some time, but it's always been going down since then.

You know, it's been going 80 years of populism. left-wing politics has very much destroy the country, and it is now a shadow of its former self, unfortunately. Yeah, well, that, I mean, that seems to be sort of the pattern, right? Yeah. Wherever it touches, that kind of seems to be the pattern. Yeah, and you know what? It's also very difficult to see it when you are in it.

When you're in the country, you don't always realize how far things have degraded. I find that this to be the case that when you're looking from the outside or when you travel every once in a while, you see the changes more so than the people in it. You know, people don't realize how far, you know, and this is something that maybe folks relate to when you look around and you don't, you say, oh, I don't recognize America anymore. What has happened here? That kind of thing, it's even more noticeable when you're not in it. the loss of quality of life, the loss of quality of education, of how far your wages go.

All of that is, you know, things are changing. And it's not only, it's pretty much across the globe, I think. Well, there are places, Fernando, right now that are, you know, go kill that raccoon, Dave Jones. We are, we, there are places in the nation right now. And we are the group of people who have probably been talking about, you know, beware of things like martial law for a very long time. But there are most certainly places in the nation right now that they're not under the boot and the flackjackjacket and firearm version of martial law.

But they're definitely under some sort of a governor-imposed martial law. You know, there are places not where I'm. I live, but that are under curfew. You know, obviously you can only go to certain places in certain times. And, you know, it's... California seems to be terrible. They're not letting people open business. There was this woman crying in social media that she was not allowed to even have a couple

tables outdoors, so at least have a few customers. But a movie set with their own buffet. that was allowed in her same parking lot. So the movie buffet was okay to serve the people, but her business was not getting the permits to operate in the same spot. That's what I mean. That's people living in some sort of martial law situation, and it's hard to realize it.

And even for me, I didn't really think about it that way until just recently, where it was like, whoa. like I thought martial law would be a thing that would come with people with you know you know national guard in the streets I didn't realize that we would war right right yeah I didn't realize we would just bow down and say like Melinda Lee in chat says Columbus Ohio under a 10 p.m. curfew and I was talking to Erica Giusty on his show today the trad cat night podcast and he said the same thing there's a curfew where he's at Nobody's enforcing it, but it's just the idea that, you know, these things are in play already. Like, we've for years have been writing about martial law, and it's in play. You remember the Chas? Yeah. The autonomous country known as the Chas?

Yeah, that's great. I mean, how, that was the stuff of fiction. Who would have thought that you'd had a separate country within the United States where there was no law? I mean, they had their own law there for how long was it? I mean, we all laugh at it. I laugh at it as well. But imagine all of a sudden a few blocks of a city in America. Nope, police are not allowed in here.

Nope, we make our own rules here. I just imagine. That's crazy. I just imagine the men of, say, 1960 America. And something like, you know, if you could transport about 10 to 20, dads, angry steel mill type dads from 1960 and tell them that downtown there's a bunch of teenagers and such who have decided

that they're going to take over this spot and make your city a living hell. Man, it would have been a short-lived experiment, I can tell you that much. You don't have to go back that far. Yeah, that's true. That's true. In the 1990s, it's true. That's true. If a bunch of guys, a bunch of commies decided that they're going to be roadblocking and taking over the police department, in the 2000s, people taking over a police department,

what are we talking about? What's this kind of crazy talk? How would you possibly allow that? People get shot over that. Yeah. People get shot over trying to take over a police department. And rightly so, in my opinion. You know, there has to be some sanctity in it all.

I remember growing up in Philly when, God, I got to get this guy's name because I talk about this all the time lately, and I don't go back and do the due diligence, but it was a Muhammad, and you might remember it in the night. I was a kid. I remember being very young, maybe nine or eight, and he shot a cop, and he was on trial, and it was, the trial was a big deal because this guy was going to get the death penalty.

And it was like on the news all the time. And there was, you know, there was no exceptions. There was no, it was just pretty straightforward back in those days. You know, my dad was the same way. He told us about it. You know, you don't want to mess with the cops. You weren't afraid of the cops the way most people claimed to be afraid of the cops today, but you knew it was just out of the question.

You know, it wasn't one of these things where it was like, you know, I might haul off and beat a cop up tonight, get drunk, beat up a cop. You know? And that's what it's like now. days like let's go have some beers and getting a fight with the police and it was just different growing up it was you know you mess with a cop and there are some serious repercussions and now they're just rolling into the police stations and take him over and nobody goes in jail attacking listen attacking a police department was the kind of thing that only terminator got away with in movies that's hilarious that was one of my favorite and barely so barely so

when he went into that that police department they all started to shooting at him. Oh, yeah. That's the way it should be. And they couldn't put him down because he was a machine from the future. But all of a sudden, a bunch of commies decided they're going to be taking over the police department and they just hand it over. What kind of a crazy talk is that? Well, you know what it is, Fernando and I've been talking about it since June? Yeah, since about June, it was, it's the idea of, and it's an unfavorable position. And I wouldn't ever foisted upon anybody but it is my position and my opinion based on what I've seen through history a little violence in the beginning saves a tremendous amount of violence later on right right and

I'm sure you probably saw events like that in Argentina where it's like if we stopped this shit right now we wouldn't have had to deal with it the way we had to deal with it back then and it might have been ugly and it might have been bloody but it might have been one night instead of a decade of bloody, you know, and I think we might have missed that opportunity. Yeah. If you have a country, if you have rule of law, then you have to uphold that law. You cannot uphold it selectively. You cannot say, okay, you can murder people a little bit.

That's okay. I mean, they were racist. They were Nazis. Sure. Okay. It's okay. Then go beat up that white guy because. he probably said something nasty, right?

We're going to be looking their way this time. You want to take over this police department because you feel offended because of whatever? Yes, sure. We're not going to be enforcing the law anymore. You know, go there, have a good time, burn down a city. That's okay because you're upset because you feel. That's the kind of thing you cannot have it in a country where you have rule of law. The law applies to everyone.

You cannot go attacking innocent people. because you feel that they're racist or you thought that they spoke poorly about your cat or whatever. And that's not no excuse for breaking the law. In the same way, it's no excuse for taking over a police department or looting a store. You know? Yeah, well, that's the kind of thing that... That's the imbalance. Wow.

That's the imbalance right now, Fernando, is the guys who would show up in the days of old, the civilians who would show up in the days of old to handle punks like that. they're the ones who go to jail now. And that's why people sit at home, I think. I think they know if we go down here and raise our version of hell, which is in support of the law, we're going to jail, and these kids are going to go back to their dorm.

You know what I mean? They might be bruised up. Yeah, exactly. Cops, they get fired. They're afraid of doing their job. That's one of the big problems we have right now. cops being afraid of doing their job because they're going to be you know fired for upholding the law for stopping a looter it's it's unthinkable but that's how we how we ended up

in this position no you're 100% right and unfortunately unfortunately you know and I'm not like I don't know I'm just saying no go ahead Jordan jump right jump right Right in. Please. So, you saw that's where it started. But if you really think back, it started when they started persecuting people from stopping themselves from being a victim. When homeowners could no longer protect their own home or their own rights without being seen. I mean, how ridiculous is it that we see people who have attacked and shot here locally, up in Memphis? A family sued the store clerk who defended herself and pulled a gun and shot the guy who had a gun in her face.

sued her because it was not her place to carry a gun at work. That was their argument that there was not her place to protect herself. She should have just complied. So our issue is we have, we have, what is the word work? We've made the attacker. We've crowned them. We've made them something that they are not and the victim is in the wrong. Yeah, that's it.

So, I mean, we took all those rights away when we started telling people you no longer have a right to be your own hero. And then we want to take away the police on top of that. So, I mean, we've slowly been destroying our own in that way. When we start taking away what the actual definition of right and wrong, then we've already set down so far our path. It's going to take a big act to get us back into where we need to be. no I agree I think there's been a

reversing of the roles that the victim is actually the bad guy and the thug is a poor is a poor victim of the evil capitalist system that kind of

and it goes back it goes back to this political it ends up being a political it's all political they politicize criminality you know

no you're 100% right there and the legislation being put in place in a lot of places particularly around second and first amendment is in is further incriminating the average american citizen you know whether or not it's meant to be that way or not that's what's happening you know where you carry your weapon that you use for self-defense that you're being put into a corner where you have to make a decision just like jordan's talking about just like that lady was put in a position? Do I carry the firearm to protect my life and deal with the consequences after and spend each day of my life with this added level of stress that I'm doing something outside of the law? But then again, the law itself is outside of the law because it's not, you know, it doesn't

stand up against the Constitution anyway. And, you know, we really, you know, we really need a, like some kind of massive wipe from the Supreme Court while we have it. Somebody should just do a serious audit, constitutional audit of state-level laws that are affecting the first, second, third, fourth, fifth, eighth amendments. You know what I mean? That's really what the nation needs. Yeah. When I think recently, that has started to happen in Virginia where they put the lockdown on and they said you can't go to church. and now what they're you remember when they had the second amendment sanctuary counties

they're having first amendment sanctuary counties that's right so maybe it's a thing from the ground up well that's it's it comes down to enforcement you know that's where they're if if the government itself if the the legislative and executive branches well really if all three branches aren't going to stand up when the Constitution is being trashed the way it is, then it comes down to what's going to be enforced. And I think that's where we're at. That's why I keep talking about, you know, humane and thoughtful civil disobedience in a time like this, because that's what I think the only option you have is nowadays. You know, you have to have, you have to look, go ahead.

Well, no, no, that was one of my questions. tonight because you know there's these intersecting points but before I go into that I wanted to say yeah you can get a lap dance in a strip club right can't go to church okay so it's like and and you're trying to picture this is the stripper wearing a mask yeah yeah I mean that's the least of your worries They try to find ways of using everything as a political weapon. So you have a pandemic? Okay, you're not allowed to have a religious expression, but you're allowed to gather in protest against the police, because that's okay. So everything is tainted by the political agenda,

whoever is in charge. Well, it's morality versus immorality. Unfortunately, like you said, the tables have turned, it's good to be immoral and bad to be moral. I mean, unfortunately, you hit that point where sin sells. Being a good person and doing the right thing is no longer looked upon as integrity. It's looked upon as this terrible act, and it's absolutely ridiculous that we can't gather to self-write our own sin's faith or praise God, but heck, we can go pick up a stripper

or whatnot and have no issues. I mean, it's just absolutely mind-boggling. And I've said it before is we have so turned the tables on our own people as far as immorality and morals and everything that what the heck are we leaving for our kids. I mean, it's just one of those things where I push. Yeah, where I push like Dave and James and all the other parents is we do what we can to teach on our end because we know there's no way in part of my language, no way in hell they're going to be teaching our children's right stuff out there.

The only way we're going to do it is if we do it ourselves. That's it. Yeah. But it's all... Yeah. It's all motivated because this is all part of the ultimate plan, which is destroying that basic cell block that constructs a healthy society. What is that? Family, having parents, having a moral compass.

That's the kind of thing that they want to destroy. They want to destroy the core of society, which is family. They hate having a normal family, you know, a mom and dad, kids. They hate the idea of them not being the ones in charge of everything. Once they destroy that, it's a lot easier to control society. Sure. Yeah, and I mean, they're doing a heck of a job. I have one more question before I got to run.

Let's hear it. do you think we're too far gone? So we have these intersection points, right? These intersection points where if you intercede, you can avert, you know, massive loss of life, chaos, whatever. Do you think that we're too far gone in knowing what you see? over the years in Argentina and other countries because I know that you follow Venezuela and other countries.

No, I think that there's still, I mean, it is, David, it's a critical point because if this goes on it and we have the hope of this, the election being overturned, it seems, you know, thinner and thinner each passing day. but I think there's still a chance of saving things. And I know some people think we're past that point. I have no crystal ball here, but I always try to say positive because I'm just built that way.

I try to stay positive and finding not only the glass half full, but even when I have just a few drops in that glass left, I still take a of it of, well, we have something to work with. I still think that I would say this. It's not a half-empty, half-fold situation at this point. It's a lot more empty than I like it to be, but there's still something to work with here.

If people get the rack together and start fighting, you know, in every front that they have available, you know, there's still chances, but there's a lot of people. be said about what people were saying about this being the last time folks actually got to vote for real. That's also a very real threat because that's been the experience in our places. So I still think there's, and you know why I'm saying this that I still think there's a chance? Because it hasn't been that long yet. This is just getting started in terms of them running things as they're going to be running them right now, being being in charge and having almost like a complete control.

you know so i think there's still hope where at least i try to to i'd like to think that well we appreciated dav jones i think dave just signed off after you're his last poke at you yeah i mean you got to hold on to hope right there's nothing you can't you can't give up you know and i'll tell you what gives me hope which is i mean i'm a northeast guy to from birth and i know the beauty of the northeast and i know the hell of the north Northeast. And there's something about seeing those guys get fed up that gives me hope. You know, there's something about seeing the bar owners in New Jersey raising hell, the people in Philadelphia raising hell over what's going on. That it's, you know, because those people in many circles,

particularly where I live in the South, have been so written off, you know what I mean? Like, it's the Northeast. It is what it is. It'll be blue forever. You know, to see, to see that kind of stuff happening. It really, it makes me feel like, you know, sort of the same way you would feel when you, when you see business owners in L.A. and in San Francisco saying, this shit is crazy. You know what I mean? You go, oh, okay. So there's some sense, there's some sense happening, you know, in these places where you

would otherwise say, you know, they're just going to go along with whatever happens. So that always, because when you have those kinds of things happening, places with that kind of population density, then you can have an effect. If you've got a little southern city of, you know, 500,000 people or something like that, it's good and it's a great, it's a great place to live. But if you can get some kind of a movement stirring up there with 18 million people, you know, or whatever, Philadelphia, New York, that kind of thing, I mean, that ripples across an entire nation. And it is a numbers game at the end of the day you know it really is i mean that's what we were talking about earlier with bandwidth and being

able to reach a certain amount of people if you if you can infect a high population area like that and so have people start going you know what this isn't working and it's not working because these people are in charge and these people have been in charge for years and it's never been good you know it it doesn't seem like a huge stretch for people in philadelphia to look at things like number one the restrictions number two the murder rates in places like Philadelphia, and number three, the domination of Democrat leadership for decades and go, I guess we probably should try something else. You know, it doesn't happen.

It's not working. Right. It doesn't happen and it hasn't happened. But, you know, this kind of poking and prodding at people's livelihoods with COVID-19 could be something that turns people, you know, make some turncoats because of that. It seems like when you affect their wallet and you affect their refrigerator, that's when Americans really make moves. Like, I haven't seen anything affect Americans probably since 9-11 the way that the grocery store shortages did this year.

And out of all the things that happened this year, I don't think anything moved Americans as much as grocery stores being empty, you know? And there was a lot of stuff that happened this year. But I think that's the one thing that really moved most people. So it's, you know, the American creature is a weird one. But he's definitely a rebellious one. Yeah, and that's good, the idea of not putting up with them. And a lot of folks are voting with their feet, are leaving these places where they just don't have any hope.

They see that these places are just always working against them. They're never on their side ever. Whatever project you have, whatever idea you have says to, you know, improve your situation in spite of all of this, you always find an enemy with those in government, then people get fed up and leave. How many people have left

in places like California? It's countless. They're just leaving en masse. Same thing for New York. And I think this is going to be very common for many of these blue states where people just get fed up and if they start going with,

you know, with new gun bands and some states don't go along with it and just reject the idea, you're going to be seeing more and more. That's also something that at the end of the day is going to be creating quite a bit of a polarized situation across the country. And that is the kind of thing that a lot of people think will end up in an actual conflict of the kind that we'd like to avoid.

But it is, it's something that I'd say it's quite hard to avoid at the this point having that kind of polarized division between the people that want to live away and those that want to have a new normal, you know, using COVID words here. But some folks are not going to be putting up with. And some other folks definitely want to make this, this is their final push. This is their last chance to get this ideology that they have. bring it to reality. This is their moment, and they're just running with it.

They're not letting it go. You know, I'm on the fence about that, Fernando. I really am. I am really on the, as a prepper, right, and knowing the things that I know, on a personal level, it makes perfect sense. You get the hell away from the madness. You go to the country. You start, you know, producing as much of your own food is possible.

You get off grid if you can. But then there's another side of me, man, that thinks that we're going to look back and say that the biggest mistake that we made was abandoning these gigantic population centers. And instead of standing and fighting for that city or that, you know, the history and the, you know, because. I think that they will get to a point, particularly if all the people, I mean, it's only a matter of time. If these, if, if the major cities in the nation are hemorrhaging good, hardworking people who believe in liberty and freedom, then. That's also true. Absolutely. Yes. You know what I mean? Then they're going to become hubs and they're going to become, they're going to become a problem. I mean, a problem that can have an effect. And I think what will happen is before the country's,

splinters in a way like you're talking about where there's some kind of clear dividing line, I think the whole thing will just go blue. And it could be a while before we fix that, you know? I really do. I mean, I get it. Don't get me wrong. And I'm not blaming anybody for leaving a bad situation for a better one. But I do think we're going to look back and say, we should have stayed and we should have

fought it out. And whatever that means is what we should have done. Because I look at it like a country, like almost like a South of the United States. American sort of situation. You know, I, for years, I've always worried about South American countries with the dramatic migration of people north. I would say, you know, man, I don't know how these places ever get better if all the quality people keep coming to us.

Like, how does a place get better like that? And now I'm seeing it in my nation. That's absolutely true, because, I mean, I am a perfect example of that. I just, and you know what, man, it's tough. It's one of those things that it's not easy because on one hand, as you said, and I've been accused by this by a lot of my country folk in terms of, yeah, you know what, if all of us leave, who's left here. So I try to, I don't blame people for staying, for going, because there's people that, and I

get this all the time messages from folks that hey man i just want to leave but i have my family here and you know i would miss it a lot so and there's also folks that say if we all leave who's going to be left just to you fight the good fight make a change and such at the same time i want to live life while i still have it you know i don't want to i don't want to have my kids go through that i don't want to have my kids not be able to you know walk freely without you know fear of of getting shot for their sneakers or whatever is in their wallet. So I find myself in that position as well. And I think I can do good from my place by doing what I do.

I think it's my contribution to this without being in a way. I mean, man, for so long I felt that I was not living. I was just miserable because anything that I wanted to do was, no, you cannot go here because it's dangerous. No, you cannot buy this because it just makes you a target because it's, and always postponing life. Always having my, you know, with like when you're watching a movie and you hit pause, I had my life in pause. I was always waiting until I could actually live again. That was the reason why I ended up leaving. I just couldn't stand it anymore.

And I couldn't stand also the tension of always being on guard because you never know when you're going to be getting shot, when you're going to be getting mugged. That just messes with you. But if everyone leaves, who's going to be left to change things? So I completely see that as well. Man, it is a super personal decision, and everyone has to make their own.

At least that's the way I think. when I look back And you're talking directly to games right now I thought you This is such a great show I can't leave You're gone

You're back This is one of my I'm leaving now For real But This is How would do what's best For your family

Yeah For your Well-be Okay Yeah Here's where I get Tangled up in that okay this is where this is where i get tangled up in that number well there's two there's two

things there's two parts okay number one is generation in order for us to be here right generations of men have marched willingly to their death and i don't just mean on the battlefield right i mean to get where we are today it took generations of men to say i work in the coal mine and i'm to work in a coal mine every day until I'm dead from black lung and that's my life and there's more there that unfortunate is not favorable all right this is not like you know what a great life yeah but this is how we got where we are today there there are more generations of people who did that this is the job that I do and I do it so we can eat and it'll kill me and that's the end of it you know and I don't sit up at night going God I wish I could play polo on the weekends and shit

You know, nobody thought that way. And I think that's how we wound up where we're at. So what makes me nervous is the counter of that, right? The antithesis of that is, how good can my life be? It can be real good if I run away from everything. You know what I mean? And what makes me most nervous about that is, yes, my kids are going to love it. What are their kids going to have to deal with? What are their kids' kids going to have to deal with? If we move away, the cities go to shit, and then, you know, the cancer spreads further and we finally do hit a serious economic collapse.

Because I wonder, you know, what's worse? Is it worse for a child to, is it worse for a child to have a rough childhood? And to build adversity through living through what kids in the cities are living through now and come out on the other end saying, you know what, my childhood sucked, but I want to make a change now because of it. Or to say, it was really good. I had a really great childhood. I have an answer for that. Go ahead. I have the answer for that because I experienced that with my kids. My oldest kid grew up in a, as rough. I mean, he wasn't in primary school, and he had a a kid that wanted to stab him.

And he had to beat the crap out of him, so he had to defend himself from a kid with a knife when he was like 10 years old. So it doesn't get a lot rougher and tougher than a kid like that. And my oldest kid is like that. He's a pretty rugged 18-year-old at this time. My middle kid grew up in a very different reality, you know, living up in a, you know, pretty much ideal, safe environment. man, you know what?

Honestly, I don't want to put my kids through that because it could have easily been the other way. I could have easily ended up with a kid stabbed to death. And sure, does it make you tougher? Absolutely, it does make you tougher. Is it always good to go through crap that makes you tougher? I think it can be tough without. Yeah, you can be tough. You can be very strong and not have to deal with.

you know something else seeing the poverty that I saw seeing a poor kids eating out of the garbage does that make you your heart your heart

it's you know colder and are you maybe tougher maybe you're a little bit tougher but it sucks to see that it sucks to live that way you know no no I agree with you and I'm definitely

And at the same time, go ahead. Yeah. No, at the same time, the conclusion I came up with was 55 or 56 or whatever percent of the country voted for that. They wanted to go with a commie that's going to be promising. They wanted to go with a revolutionary commie leader that was going to be promising them handouts and corruption. all of them, and they got what they wanted, and they never wanted this. So why is it that I have to put up with when all of you wanted this, or at least a significant majority wanted this, like 50-something percent, 60 percent wanted this?

So do I have to put up with it myself when I never wanted this? You got what you wanted. You now have to deal with it and go through the tough medicine that's going to be coming along with it. I was not planning on putting my life there in the line and suffering it along with him because I never signed up for that. Well, that's a very good point. I don't judge people.

If you stay, you go. I've learned one of the things I've learned is you can't judge people for those decisions. But at least that's been the one I made. That's a very good point because we were. on the same when people were marching to their death either by work or by war we were all essentially on the same page you know it wasn't like the guy who worked in the coal mine uh had set himself up by voting for a certain candidate to live that kind of a lifestyle that was just what was available for the average american person to do um so your

your point about you decided to turn philadelphia into to a trash can and you've done it successfully for 20 years and that's what you have. No live in it. Yeah, I mean, that's a good point. That's a very good point. I appreciate that. Dave, you sound like you were about to say something even though you're not here. Well, and Fernando. Yeah, I'm not here. So when your son was going to be knifed, okay, were you even able to move?

Because there's some people in the cities and stuff like that, they're not going to be able to move. Look, people that can't. Lots. Lots of people who aren't able to move in cities. I mean, what's the percentage of people on public housing? They're not going anywhere, you know? You're stuck.

Yeah, you're stuck there where you are. Look, when this happened, there was my kid's school. I went to talk to the principal. of the school and explain the situation because this had been going on for a while and my son was telling me, look, there's this kid threatening us with a knife and I talked with the principal and she was, well, he only brings that knife as to peel fruit for lunch. And I was, are you kidding me? That's awesome. Are you really kidding me? And I realized, you know, there was nothing left to do there. So I taught my kid how to offend himself and he did so successfully. And then I

they call from the principal and she said you know what your kid messed up this this this this our kid's face and and and she brought the she brought the the kid with a knife and and said look look how look what he did to him and i try to play it down saying oh it's just kids it's you know boys being boys you know the typical nonsense of um of playing it down like that that had reached In general, I mean, there's places that were a lot worse than my son's school. My son was going to a pretty good school compared to some of the rest. But that's the kind of society that you're left with. A society where a principal will just tell you, yeah, a kid with a knife,

it's not something that concerns us a whole lot. Yeah, he's just peeling apples. Peeling apples with it. Peeling apples and third graders with it, that's all. Oh, man. What else? Go ahead. We managed to, yeah, we were lucky and, I mean, that was just one more drop in the bucket.

What really concerned was, was the violence on the street, the crime. You just never knew when you were going to be getting shot. And my greatest fear was one day I'm going to be regretting, not leaving sooner, because this was a story I saw time and again. People that were thinking about leaving, and the, only left after they lost a child or something horrible happened in a home invasion or someone got shot and that was always something in the back of my head. I'm going to be waiting too long and regretting not leaving in time. So we hurried up and left when we saw that things

were not changing. Actually, we left after the last election of Christina Kirner when she won by a make majority, we decide, okay, that's it. After this election, she won again. They want to keep doing this. Okay, we're not. We're not putting up with it anymore. Yeah. I think I'm just ready for some success. I'm ready for some, you know what I mean? I'm ready for some success in America. I want to see some success on the right and some things happen that we're all happy about. And I know we just had a Trump presidency, but, you know, it was. It was a defense, well, it was a lot like what you were talking about with your candidate at the time. It was a complete total defensive posture.

And, you know, the man still was able to move through some incredible things, both in the nation and in the world. But yeah, I'm ready for a revival of liberty in the nation. That's it. And then, you know, there's, unfortunately, there's no easy path, you know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

sometimes these are hard lessons that have to be learned and there's no other way. Yeah. And I think you're right. I think the young people who are voting these people into power are going to have to suffer. Like you said, suffer for their decisions. Their choices, yeah. They'll look back on college and hate it. They'll say, oh, God, I can't believe I fell for that.

Well, I mean, but then again, you see that and you say, what has changed really over time? Has anything really changed over time? The young make poor decisions, they grow up and they become conservative and understand their mistakes. You know what I mean? And that's kind of the story of time, really, if you think about it. But what else we got? Guys, we're going on two hours here. Anything else?

Jordan, you got anything in the revolver over there? I'm enjoying listening. It has been a great conversation, no doubt about it. not about you Fernando anything on your plate you want to get to look it's I just don't want to leave people with this idea of hopelessness and everything is horrible you're staying positive focusing on the things you can actually do some of the good things you can get going and you focus mostly on that and I think that in general it really hasn't reached the level of Venezuela where you're really

really have to get yourself a plane ticket, get out of there because the situation is hopeless. I talk with a guy from Venezuela for my Spanish channel. The guy, you know, very interesting, also a prepper. And he would tell me the story of how his friends, he tells me, Fernando, I'm alone, because my friends have either been killed or have left, you know. And the United States is not in that position, although. it's very concerning where things are right now, but it's not in that position yet. But it's also true that you have to stay very much aware because this guy, for example,

he had over a year worth of food. And he thought when socialist one, when Chavez's first one, he thought, well, this is going to be just four years. They're going to be doing such a poor job as a government. They're going to be messing up so bad and doing such a poor job. They're never going to be winning an election again. That's where we're at right now. No?

Exactly. So he was so, he said, he told me, I was so wrong. I thought they were going to be losing because they're going to be doing everything wrong. They would never win again. And in fact, the opposite happened. They never left. They won. And 20 years later, 20 years later, they're still in power and destroying the country more and more each passing.

year. No doubt about it. No doubt about it. I thought you were giving it some hope here. 21 years. Well, look, Biden ain't making it 21 years. I have to point out. Yeah, go ahead.

Fernando is hope, okay? Because he's living true that you can come through the other side. Great point. Yeah. Yeah. Come out the other side and teach people how to survive it, for sure. Look, you still have a long way to go, and this may be the first year of this. Just please, don't wait 20 years.

20 years will be just too long. But the good news is 20 years have not passed yet, so there's a chance of trying to reverse this next time you get the, you give the opportunity. All right. Tell us about the books again, Fernando, before we let you go and where we can get the YouTube channel and all that stuff.

Sure. My channel is called The Marr Survivalist. It's, of course, in YouTube, under that name, Mara Survivorist. And my books are The Marl Survival Manual Surviving the Economic Collapse. My latest book is called Street Survival Skills, both of which are available in Amazon.

Awesome. Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of us. who know our stuff out here, not a lot of us who live through a PBM family. So, you know, if you're looking to add some things to the library for the holiday season, or if you want a new person to check out on a regular basis through YouTube, Fernando, highly recommended by Dave Jones, the NBC guy, and really highly recommended by everybody who's talked to him and heard him speak. So Fernando, we thanks you so much for coming on, man. This has been an awesome conversation,

no doubt about it. Oh, thank you so much for having me. Thanks. David is a fantastic guy, and I have all the respect in the world for him. So thank you, David, as well, and hope to chat with you again. And thanks everyone for being here and chatting. All right, my friend. Have a good night.

We do appreciate it. Listen, folks, double barrel Tuesday tomorrow night. Don't forget it. Next generation. Patriot Power Hour, and if you're really depressed, which you shouldn't be. But if you are feeling really depressed, on the I Am Liberty Show this week, we are going to do a full podcast on the greatness of humanity. That is exactly what we're going to talk about this Wednesday.

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Tune in tomorrow for another great show and visit us at Prepperbroadcasting.com. What is up everybody? We are back. We have Dave Jones with us and I guess what I got to do is get some questions up here. What's up, Dave? You're still with me? Hey, I am still with you and I got a couple comments from your lead in here. So, okay, so you said the DEI.

Okay, I prefer to call it D-I-E-E. Oh, brilliant. Yes, and it's not affirmative action. It's actually racism towards white people. Okay, affirmative action was when they said, okay, you have to hire 50, minorities and it was kind of like a thing a thing that the courts imposed and and that was that was back in the

80s okay so it's the opposite of affirmative action it's discrimination so and when you said is a violent revolution off the table okay I a flashback of John Boehner, Speaker of the House.

I remember Boehner. Yeah. Just saying on camera that impeachment for Barack Obama, the first black president, is off the table. Well, once that was out, Obama could do whatever he wanted because he knew they weren't going to impeach the first black president ever, ever, yeah. So just those things. And then you were saying that February makes you deposition.

depressed, well we used to call that cabin fever in Alaska. Yeah, that's what it is for me. Yeah, cabin fever. It's kind of an absence of vitamin D. And in Alaska, they combated it with something called fur rendezvous. And it's a big festival. It happens in January. And it ends with the idyllarog sled dog race.

Oh, okay, yeah. Yeah, so the whole thing is called fur rendezvous. and it was when the trappers would bring their furze. The market and everything. Yep. And they would have a big celebration and everybody, you know, you know, what trappers would do back then. Oh, for sure, yeah.

That's a great idea. Get everybody out, get community together. Yep. Oh, that's good. And they still do it today. Of course, not many furs are being traded, but everybody gets together. They had a race.

down the streets of Anchorage, and they put hay bales and stuff up because these porches were going with these spiked tires, and they would just slide all over the place on this ice. Oh, wow. They were probably having a ball. Yeah, it was pretty crazy. Pretty crazy. Well, Dave Jones, I appreciate you joining me tonight. I know you're working man these days. You've got plenty on your plate.

So we won't keep you up too late. I don't want to be up too late either. Yeah, I'm sure the kids were glad to get back to you. They got off the computers and the video games they got for Christmas. I'm sure all of your students and had to say, damn it, we got to go back to school. See Mr. Jones. I'll tell you, it was a lot better than I anticipated. I anticipated just bedlam.

And they were, I even told them to their face. you guys act more grown-up since we're back. Wow. Well, let's hope it's a trend. Let's hope. Let's get into some Q&A. Oh, I love this. I love this.

I'm over at Reddit Preppers, Reddit.com. Their group is grown. I think they were at 380 or 350 or something K. They're at 402K over there. There's 895 people online right now. It is a good time to be a prepper. It is a good time to be a prepper. It's really, I mean, you better be a prepper in times like these.

They got a really great one right off the top. It's probably the wrong question for you and me. But I know you know somebody like this and I know people like this. What to do with an unsupportive spouse? Oh, gosh, that's got to be the worst. That's got to be the hardest right there. I think it's probably a pretty tough run. I'm talking to a guy who I need to keep his confidentiality,

but I've heard some horror stories of late as we start to chisel away at his preparedness plan about this very issue. And it is one hell of an issue. Well, I'll tell you, sometimes if you can get them involved and make it their idea, okay? So, as you know, over Christmas, I got a Titan. Yeah, welcome to the free. Yeah, well, it was actually Maria's idea. She got it off of some Facebook prepper group, and she said, these guys are just swearing by this solar generator.

And I said, well, you know, so I had to explain the capabilities and limitations and that, you know, the why I was hesitant to get one in the first place. I do have other battery packs. I have a jacchari and two of the duracel things when they went on clearance at... Yeah, I remember you sending me the pictures of them and the prices. Yeah, at Costco, you know, solar panels, which I have, plug into the back of them. You can charge them. I was thinking these would be great things for like a portable relay station or, you know, portable power somewhere outside the perimeter.

Yeah, those Dura cells are great size for that. Are they waterproof? Yeah. Those are pretty good size. Well, I think water resistance, but, you know, you could do something to make it. Oh, for sure, yeah. Yeah. So, so then I explained to her what it is and, and, you know, I thought to myself, well, if I'm ever going to strike, now's the time. Hey, it's all about timing.

Yeah, honey, it was your idea. If you can get your spouse into something small, you know, for you. Exactly what I was thinking. Yep. For years. Maria has always said to me, give me your knife, because she knows I carry a knife all the time. To do things, to open things, whatever. Yeah, sure.

Not just to stab me. Finally, I just got her a Smith and Wesson folding knife. And I said, here, honey, put this in your purse, and it can be your knife. There you go. She's been carrying that ever since. I feel like she needs a bowie knife. Oh, yeah. In the boot.

Yeah, boot night. Yeah, there you go. My same sentiment. You know, the idea, there are, like I always say, prepping is a river of many tributaries, man. And if you tell your spouse, I'm preparing for the end of the world, and she gets up from the dinner table

and storms off or calls her mother. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not the end of the world. It's not the end of your world. I'll tell you one of the best things you could do And I mean look We're in this weird space Dave Jones Or at least I am

Where I've surrounded myself With so many awesome people So many awesome events, resources, products That it's hard for me Not to sound like an advertisement But look If I had a spouse who was completely unsupportive What I would do is I'd take her to Prepper Camp

Yeah And say, look, here's a list of 60 classes. We'll hang out. We'll get lunch. I'll row you out into the lake. And we'll get a cabin on site or whatever, you know, whatever accommodations your lady would like. And we'll have a great weekend. Look over these 60 classes and see if there's something you want to do.

Yeah. Oh, my God. 60 classes, there's not one thing she'd be interested in. Right. Oh, yeah. You know what I mean? And then she can find... Because really, when it comes down, it's just like you said.

Your spouse just needs to find their niche in it all. They probably don't get it. They probably don't understand it. You probably don't even understand it all. I mean, it's a huge undertaking. So for them, it might just be an overwhelmed thing. I don't know. I ain't putting on a plate carrier

or hanging out at the gun range with you every weekend. You know what I mean? Yeah. Well, another thing, for reference, camp, she can actually see how many people, because it's a lot, and how normal they are. You know? True. Yeah.

A lot of times people think preppers are some kind of fringe. And these people are just everyday common walk-a-life people. You could meet anywhere and they just want to be ready. And what's wrong with that? nada. Yeah. Right? Yep.

There's a really great post up here. I'm not going to read. But it's interesting if anybody wants to go to Reddit prepers and read it. It's an update on my Japan preps here in Ishikawa Japan. Wow. I have no idea what's going on or what you're allowed to do and not do in Japan. I've never been. But it looks like there's been some looting going on there, too.

People have resort to, oh, because of the, because of the, this is because of the earthquake. Earthquake, yeah. Oh, shoot. People have resorted to looting and stealing the past three days in my observation, although the Japanese people are quick to catch some of them, but I can't blame people resorting in this axe to survive. You know, it must be Japanese. Credit cards are 90% useless.

Oh, this is a great post. Yeah. We have mostly used up all our paper cash, and funny enough, we are able to get some cash from the non-Japanese PayPal. Maybe no one uses it here, so they have some extra cash inside. Wow. And then he's got a list of about five things he has experienced personally. Uh-huh. Number two is get a weapon.

Number five is medical prep. Oh. Number four is I really wish I bought the Sawyer Mini or even a grail as the water supply is getting sketchy now. Hmm. Get a personal retention lanyard if you have an extra fund for it and if you have a toddler in your family. I thought it was gimmicky for me as I wanted to be like a hook and leash from my worry bag. But damn, I was able to clip it to my daughter's belt when we were moving. I saw some kids getting lost or separated from their parents on the confusion.

Oh, my God. That would be the worst. That's wild. What a great post, man. What's this guy's name? Running Rain. Powerful pose. Yeah, there's some great information over here.

I always try to post these shows on here. They hate me over here. They absolutely hate me. I don't know why. I post the show and they're like, you're self-promoting. This is total bullshit. And I'm like, I'm answering the questions.

Exactly. Why did they put them up there? Geez. Yeah, they don't like it. Without there, you have an actual catastrophe. I mean, when you think about Japan, you know, tsunamis, earthquakes, typhoons.

Oh, my gosh. and you're on an island. You know, yikes. Yeah. Yeah, I'm glad to hear they're building up their freaking military power.

Oh, absolutely. That makes me real happy. Yep. Hmm. Let's see. What else we got? A lot of newbies. Newby to the journey.

Top three. Oh, this is a good one for Dave Jones. Top three small arms in Shty. Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. You ready? Yeah. Sarah Hathaway's going to love me for this. The 22. Very nice. Okay, for, you know, those jobs. And then 9mm, you have to have a 9 millimeter. Agreed. That's most common round in the world.

and what would you define as small arms Dave Jones well anything like a handgun that's what I thought these people in the in the comments are all answering shotguns long rifles semi-automatic rifle in

556 I don't look at that as a small arm that is not a small it's well small compared to a howitzer yeah I don't think that's what they're talking about I think it's you know, fire arms. Yeah.

And now if you want constant, reliable, durable, you know, a revolver. And in that revolver, I would say a 357

because you can fire 357 and 38 special. So you fire two different and, you know, a revolver, you just pull the trigger. Keep pulling until it's empty.

So very little to go wrong. I did hear a horror story one time where a guy was responded to a bank robbery, and his weapon fell out of his holster, and he just grabbed him and picked it back up. Well, then when the guy came out of the bank, he drew his weapon, and the guy was going to turn and fire on the cop, and the cop pulled the trigger, but he had bent his hammer. Oh.

And it would not travel all the way. And he said he pulled that thing until he almost got hemorrhoids. And the guy threw his gun down. How did he bend the hammer? Well, at the back of his revolver is a hammer that you can pull down with your thumb. Sure, yeah. Well, when it fell out of his holster, it hit the concrete. Oh, I see.

Okay. Bent that hammer just enough that it wouldn't travel far enough to fire. That is terrifying. Worst timing ever award. I know, but it's the craziest thing in all my years. That is the only story where I've ever heard of a revolver failing. Oh, yeah. Semi-automatics, man.

I've had so many problems with my semi-automatic fire. They're finicky as can be. Yeah. I don't know if they're all like that, but the guns that I have... Yeah. I'll tell you a gun that ran pretty good. The M&P was the... What was that thing called?

That small little M&P they put out not long ago real cheap. I shot it at the range one time with a friend, and that thing was nice, even with cheap ammo. But my guns that I carry, man, if I use that range, reloaded range ammo, Oh, yeah, yeah. I'm doing a lot of learning. I can tell you that much that day. I'll do a lot of learning with, you know, shells stuck.

And you know how it goes. Clearing double feeds. Oh, yeah. All that kind of wacky stuff. And I remember when that stuff, because I didn't learn how to shoot a gun with anyone first. You know what I mean? Like, I bought a gun because someone tried to break in my apartment when I was 19. And I was like, I pulled the, this is the, it's so dumb too, because I was a chef.

I had 15 knives, but it was the middle of the night. And the only thing that came to mind was to pull the bar out from the bench press. You know, like those bench press, you keep at your house with the bar. I was like, this is the only weapon I have. I didn't even have a basketball. I mean, I didn't even have a baseball bat. And then the next day I was like, okay, it's time to get a gun. And, man, that rude.

beautiful for years that thing I use that thing for years but anyway I you know I just learned to shoot that way and I I would just take it to the to the range and shoot and this was before YouTube so it wasn't like I could go like oh see how to use this semi-automatic pistol at the range to be effective it was just like go there and figure it out and I remember when things would get jammed I would be like oh my god this thing's going to blow up you know because I didn't know shit yeah but yeah I think uh tell you, I have had a lot of Smith & Wessons in my life, and I've never had a bad smith and Wesson. Oh, that's good. That's great. And I'll tell you, a lot of people will say

amen to that. That's a good thing. Maybe it's time for me to get a Smith & Wesson and see. Everything's different now, though. You know what I mean? Everything's like the old adages of like, I'll tell you what you need. You need one of these. I had one of these for 50 years, and then you buy it, it breaks and they're like oh yeah well they shipped it over it's getting made over and you know Bangladesh now sorry but they you know like I said that one that I shot was nice um I like uh I like to have a full size semi automatic with a nice big magazine you know a nice a nice weapon for combat if you will I also like a subcompact or even a compact

my automatic handgun. I think they're nice to have. I think they're nice to strap on. You know what I mean? When you don't have to worry about like printing, when you don't have to worry about anything like that. You know what I mean? Just a small, you can slip it into a backpack

easy, all that kind of stuff. It's light. The biggest difference for me was how much or how less weight when I bought a subcompact and started carrying it, I was like, oh, wow, this is a different thing. I don't like shooting them, though.

I can tell you that much. I definitely prefer to shoot a full-size handgun over a subcompact or a compact. Yeah. Just because it absorbs the recoil and stuff way better. And I'm right there with you on Revolver, too. I would say, you know, I do like having the... I have no problem shooting with iron sights, but I've had the crimson trace for a while now, the red dot site on my everyday carry gun.

And that's nice. Once you get it all honed in and you get used to it, that's pretty nice. It's a pretty cool thing. So maybe for small arms, I'd recommend upgrade on the sites or something. And probably a weapon light, too. That's a good thing to have. Small arms, PBN fam. Yeah, there you go.

There you go. If Phil Rabelle was here, he'd tell you a CZ Scorpion for the backpack. Yeah. Hey, it shoots 9mm, right? Yeah. Does anyone store charcoal and how would someone go about it? Huh. I don't.

No, I haven't stored it. I mean, if you had to, you could make it. I think that's the better answer. Yeah. Find a good hickory tree and, you know, one that's fallen, and you could easily make it by heating it, you know. charcoal as long as you don't get wet it lasts forever

I mean it's just charred wood I mean there's a good method if you have a burn barrel I'm sure some of you have a burn barrel there's a really easy method to doing it where you can start a fire in that burn barrel and you might also have a small feed trash can

metal feed trash can with a lid. If you put holes in that thing and take chunks of wood, and if I were to do this, I would just chainsaw chunks of wood off of the split wood that I already split because I think that would give you a perfect chunk. Yeah. And you fill that metal trash can up and put it in your burn barrel. And you let that thing rock and make sure that your burn barrel's rocking. I don't know.

I'll tell you, hours, something like that. So my brother was deep into knife making, and he started with charcoal, and he went with bituminous coal. So there's another option. It burns hotter.

That's like Coke. Let me call that Coke. Well, Coke is refined. Oh, is that what it is? Yeah, bituminous is just dug out of the ground, and it's a rock that, burn. Oh, wow.

Yeah. Yeah. Somerset County, you know, that's what you burnt. But it burns hotter. So if you want a hotter flame, if you're doing metal work and you want something hotter to, you know, make that metal more whatever, brittle, I guess. Yeah. The coal works better than the charcoal.

That makes sense. I mean, look, from my experience with blacksmithing, which I've been doing it for a while now, that's the biggest paint in the ass is the heats. Yep. You know what I mean? The heats and getting it all the way heated up, like the propane forge that I have is, it's the bottom of the barrel in terms of heating. It takes a long time to really get the metal hot enough. Yeah. And, you know, then you've got to be efficient with it.

Well, all right, let's not turn it into that. I got a great one here, though, and it's a very interesting take. See, one of the biggest benefits of this Reddit Preppers group is that, I guess, aside from me, they allow all kinds of people. They really do. I mean, but a lot of the people have takes on reasons why they prep that are varied. and I like reading them, you know? So this guy's question is I got a solar oven, should those be considered when prepping?

But I want to read his, not his whole entry, but just the beginning of his entry, because it's interesting. He says, hello, everyone. I'm sort of new to prepping. But I started to get more invested as the political situation in the United States, I predict will deteriorate very rapidly in the coming year. Okay?

And then he says, And with our inaction about the climate crisis, I also think our infrastructure will collapse in the near future due to flood heat wave or storms, or maybe all three in the span of a few months. So you've got a guy here who is, or a gal here, I don't know, someone draws. Yeah. You've got a person here who shares a variety of sort of concerns about the situation in the United States. you know what I mean yeah well you know

the reasons for prepping is as many as the reasons for you know just about anything yeah that's true we just talked about Japan and I'd name three threats that are right off the top of my head

and then you add and you're on an island you know so yeah right yeah so the guy thinks he's asking about solar of Oh, no, he got one.

Wait, did he get one? Yeah, I got a solar oven, should those be considered when prepping. Well, you can talk to this firsthand, but you got to know capabilities and limitations. Yeah, big time. And a solar oven is a great thing for off-grid cooking, but if the sun ain't shining, you ain't cooking. Yeah. Yeah, it's a good tool. The sun oven is a cool little tool to have.

You could dehydrate on it pretty effectively too, which can be cool without electricity. Yeah. You can't. There are things you can't do, too, no matter how nice the day it is. Like, you can't sear things. Like, you can't really fry things. Right. Temperature low and slow, you know, is what you're doing with a solar oven primarily.

baking it's pretty good for baking it's not bad i've done bread in there several times but even on a unfortunately even on a cloudy day you're going to struggle like if you're not in a situation where you got direct sun particularly if you're doing like a meal meal yeah if you want and i learned this at prepper camp this year if you want to cook a meal meal for like people four to six people or something like that um you need sun it has to stay You know, or your whole process is going to just cool down to 200 degrees or something, and you're going to be like, all right. Dinner in six hours.

So, yeah, they get like six hours of the sun left. Yeah, right, yeah, if you got that, right. And then, you know, the worst possible thing that could happen. And one of the days, actually, it was a little too shady, and I took the pasta sauce off the out of the sun oven that I was making and put it on my Coleman 2 burner. because I was just like, no, this ain't, you know, I had red wine in it and, you know, it was good. And I wasn't trying to, number one, I wasn't trying to lose it.

Number two, I wasn't trying to have it be, you know, something we wouldn't want to eat. So I wound up pulling it out of there. And it was a beautiful day, mostly sunny. But then there was some overcast that showed up around, you know, the end of the day. And I was just like, nope, hanked it out. Yeah. If you got nothing else but a solar oven, then hell yeah, you know, good on you. Yeah.

But I wouldn't make it your only option. I'm with Dave Jones. Dave Jones, when you told me about all your heating methods of the house, that's when I got on the kick of variety. You know what I mean? And variety doesn't have to mean... Variety doesn't have to mean money. People hear variety and they think like, oh, God, okay, so what I got to do. to buy a solar oven, I got to buy this oven, buy a that oven.

No, it's just about exploring variety. Yeah. You know, taking advantage of all your opportunities. And as state sale, I picked up a Coleman two burner, and it's the one that takes fuel, not propane. And you can... What, you mean? Gasoline? Yeah, gasoline.

Oh, sweet. That fuel is nothing more than unleaded gasoline. Okay? People don't know that. They'll pay $5 for a gallon 10 of this Coleman fuel. Because we did this in Alaska. That's what we heated with. We lit our lanterns with.

And we cooked on Coleman two burner stoves. And it was gasoline. If you do this in your house, you know, carbon monoxide, oxygen, all that kind of stuff. But it's a, it's a, it's a. method. Okay, so I got I got wood, I got electricity, I got propane, I got

gasoline, and I got butane. So, if I had to heat a room in the house and get everybody all snuggled into one room, I could easily do it five different ways. It's a way to go, man.

Yeah. Well, it's contingency, right? It's pace, it's all those things. Yeah. I got one just for you, Dave. Uh-oh. Posted seven hours ago. What city or state is least likely to be hit with a nuke or bomb? I think it just means a nuke.

Yeah. Well, any of the interior of the United States, you know, the East Coast and the left coast, their targets, their population center, their production center, their transportation, you know, when San Diego Harbor went down, you know, everybody in the United States was hurting for stuff. So those are the places that will be targeted. And pretty much the breadbasket is going to stay all right. And I've already talked about fallout enough. You guys don't need to hear any more of that fallout.

But if you have any questions, NBC guy at protonmail.com. Man. We got Garden Girl in chat. We got JBN chat. Nice. We got the Patriot is looking in. I can't tell who else. It's hard to tell because their little images are small.

This is an interesting one. I don't know if I can give you a little. Oh, this says aside from weapons. What are some things you have used your three? printer to help you prep. I don't have a 3D printer, but for a little while, a buddy Cameron and I were thinking about doing a 3D print outdoor camping products business. And we did, we did print off some fishing lores. Actually, J.B. and chat 3D prints fishing lores, I think. No, she might make her own jigs. I'm sorry, J.B. I can't remember exactly. You can,

you can remind me. Um, some of that stuff works. some of that stuff was really nice you know I have seen a Sawyer adapter 3D printed before that allowed the Sawyer adapter to fit several different types of water bottles

I think they go right on to like a smart water or something I don't remember which maybe a knife sheath yeah I guess you could pull that off that's a good call what else did we do we did arrow head We did these really cool lanterns. They were like small lantern caps that fit over the

the Olight S-1R. So you would slip this thing over the flashlight, and then when you turn the flashlight on, boom, it was a lantern. It was like a big bulb at the end. That was kind of cool little 3D printed thing. What else we got here at Reddit as we could come to the end of the show here?

Somebody posted a funny. I love these. I used to live for questions. When I went to Preper Events, sometimes they would do an expert panel, and they get us up there, and all the people would come and just fire questions at us. And I loved that. Oh, yeah, man. You get five or six different perspectives.

How can I get medicine for radioactive, for nuclear fallout? Oh. Prussian blue. DTPA can be used for radiation poisoning and silver sulfatein for third degree burns. You know, I don't know enough about that, actually. Oh, he has a stockpile of potassium iodide already. Okay. Well, I think that's pretty much it right there.

Silver dine is an ointment that eliminates bacteria for, for burn patients. That's right. Sulfa. Yeah, yeah, that's it. He says third degree burns. That makes sense. That way they can put it on,

wrap it up, and the bacteria, because subsequent infections is what gets you with the burns. Oh. Yeah. Yeah.

Good, great. Let's see what else we got. Fortunate to have a get-home bag. Oh, God. Come on. dude, this has got to be a joke. Oh, no. Two days ago.

This is insane. I mean, you're not really going to learn much from me and Dave on this, but because we already espouse all about it. He says, any use for pork fat. Oh. The wife and I are processing an 18-pound pork butt, and it looks like we're going to end up with about five pounds of fat. Seems like a waste to throw it all the way.

Oh, he's throwing gold away. Oh, my God, don't you dare do it. Oh, my God. Hey, in the other day when you were talking about your fats and lards and all that kind of stuff, don't even throw away your old expired stuff because they can power a lamp. Yeah, that's a good call. You can put a wick in there. Oh, okay, I've got six ways to heat my house.

Ah! There you go. There you go Yeah, pork fat is king It's everything Oh my god You can't tell you I eat a tablespoon of it every morning with vitamins

I'm just kidding I can't tell you how many quart jars We have right now on the shelf Because it's just unbelievable Man I need to buy some actually I used all mine up from the last pig And I didn't get a ton from this one

Yeah your pig looked pretty lean He was pretty lean He didn't have a lot whole lot of that good leaf fat in them like the old like the one we did before and then I also roasted the ribs up separate and left all that good fat with them and turn the pork belly into bacon so we missed out on that but it's indispensable now you know what I mean these these these pork fat these lards and these tallos guys like they might be the best thing for you to cook with maybe barring maybe olive oil maybe I don't know but

Maybe not. You know, there are probably, I don't know this, this is not me saying something I know. This is intuitive. But there's a lot of stuff about inflammation coming out, about eating certain kinds of vegetables and how they interact with your body. I still eat them. You know what I mean? I don't care. I like vegetables.

But I have to imagine that olive oil might have that kind of effect, too. I think if you're looking for a fat that your body just really loves and probably really has a, easy time digesting. It has to be these animal fats, these pork fats, you know, because they're, they're not processed at all. There's no processing. Like, if you could take an olive for me and show me how you turn it into oil, I would love to see it. I have no idea how that works. You know what I mean? But I know exactly how. They have like an olive press, and that's where you read on the, on the bottle. If you get cold pressed, and then some of them are not that way, you know, those are the cheaper olive oils because they just press them again and squeeze them harder. Yeah, I'll probably warm them too, you know.

You probably get more oil to move when they're warm. But yeah, anybody can make beef tallow. You don't need a press. You don't need a tool. You could do it with a fire in a steel cup. Yeah, I believe tallow is very, very cheap. I mean, you know, probably like a dollar a pound. Yeah, it's awesome.

I mean, I really think that, I think butter's up there too. Butter's probably up there. But then, again, that's an animal byproduct. That's why I think your body's like, oh, yeah, I know what this is. Let's get this all in here. But after a year of munching pork fat, as to the Joneses, it's just super. in so many ways, man, for cooking, for baking. I have espoused them.

And then we did, I kept the tallow around two last year, and it's just, it feels like your body knows what it is, better than it knows what a processed oil is, a nut oil, or coconut oil, or whatever, those, you know, whatever kind of fancy oil you might be cooking with. I remember when I used to be terrified of eating eggs and fat. Yeah. I remember those years.

years. I avoided that stuff like crazy. And then when we got chickens, I said, well, I'm just going to eat these eggs every day. And if they kill me, they kill me. And if they don't, at least I have something cool to talk about. Well, I'll tell you, eggs are like the perfect protein. They are amazing. They are just 100%. If you can eat eggs, Maria has later in life developed an allergy to them.

Oh, no. I would be heartbroken. She is. She is. Jeez. Yeah, I mean, if you had chickens and pigs, you're going to eat like a god through the apocalypse. Chickens and pigs.

Chickens and pigs and you're eating good, baby. That's all you really need, if you know what you're doing. So yeah, man, plenty to do with pork fat. Never throw it away. You know, even Phil Rabelle, espouses the importance of sausage fat and bacon grease. Yep. You know, cooking up the sausage in the morning and all that.

And saving that grease. Yep. We used to do it all the time when I was a kid. Whenever mom made bacon or saucy, she'd pour that fat off and later on make gravy and biscuits. She kept all that. You could oil your guns with it if you didn't have gun oil. You could lubricate, protect steel.

I use all that on my high-carbon knives that rusts quite readily. Yeah, good point. Pork fat on that. We're fine. It's not petroleum-based. It's not poison. You clean it off if you need to clean it off. Million and one uses, and you can burn it in a candle. There's a lot of new preppers on here, man. Oh man, they need to know about PBN. There's a lot of new preppers.

I got guys, I'm just high preppers. I need some advice on what to get. I'm new to prepping. Just bought my first stock of supplies yesterday. Wow. There's a lot of them. Oh, here's a good one. I did a show.

I did a show about this not long ago, and it got future. Dan, all fired up. preparedness, myths, illusions, and fantasies most commonly talked about or encountered. Yeah. That's a biggie. There's all kinds of fantasy. Yep, I remember that. Yeah, so that's what this guy asked about.

Let's see what some people said. No comments? Oh, no, 82 comments. They dug this one. How do I get to the comments section? Oh, I got to scroll down. Let's see what people said. From my experience, having been in various situations,

situations, people vastly underestimate how much in supplies they'll lose or how quickly they'll go through. People don't consider how they'll preserve food leftovers when they have no power. And there is no set it and forget it prep. I don't know if that's fantasy, but illusion. I'd say probably the biggest illusion and one that is most helpful to break down. And I can tell you exactly how to break it down, too, is your physical capability, particularly in violence. Oh, yeah.

Especially if you're a dude. Yep. Like if you're a dude, there's probably a good chance that you are sitting there right now, listening to this, thinking that if two guys break into your house, they're getting fucked up. You know what I mean? Yeah. And that's most likely not the situation.

Oh, my gosh. God. So when I was competing in Taekwondo tournaments, the rounds were two minutes, two minute rounds, and you got three rounds. Oh, my gosh. Oh, my gosh. Exhausted. Yep. I mean, it was constant. You either throwing kicks or punches or you were blocked. Yeah, people sleep on Taekwondo, man. Taekwondo is for real. I mean, you're getting kicked by another a grown man. It is, you're going to feel it. Yeah. I'll tell, I mean, if I were, if, if, if you're in that camp, if you really think that you're going to devastate someone in a physical altercation and you, and maybe you're, like,

strong or something like that, every, every jiu-jitsu school I've ever seen gives free classes. It's introductory free class. So go to a jiu-jitsu introductory class and get into the clutches of somebody who's like a purple or brown belt and it'll change your whole life. You? It'll change your entire life. One of the most embarrassing moments of my adult life. All of my most embarrassing moments in my adult life, I think, happened on Jiu-Jitsu mat. But the most of the most embarrassing ones was...

If it happens in the bedroom, that would be bad. Well, nobody's around to laugh at you then. Just the lady you spend the rest of your life with. But I got to, I think it was Revolution's BJJ here in Richmond. And I get there and they gave me a little ghee to wear and all that kind of stuff. And I get down in guard and this guy puts me in half guard, which is basically I've got my legs wrapped around one of his legs. And he's on top of me. And he was in like, his arms were up.

He wasn't putting all his weight on me or anything. And he was like, all right, now get out. And I couldn't. Yeah. And that was a real rubber meets the road moment for me. He wasn't that much bigger than me or anything. It wasn't a big guy. And I was like, oh, God, I can't move this guy off me.

Yeah. And that was when I was like, oh, there's a whole other layer to this thing. I'll tell you another hilarious, probably the most, maybe the funniest jujitsu story ever. because when I started doing it, I had maybe a one-year-old and I had like a five-year-old or something like that. No, no, no, maybe I didn't even have Jake yet. When did I start?

Yeah, because Carter was four when he first started doing Muay Thai, which was too young, but he did it anyway, and he had some fun, I think. And I was doing jihitsu and Muay at the same time. So I got a four-year-old at home. We're tying shoes all the time. You know what I mean? Like, I want this kid to be able to read when he gets into school in the kindergarten,

and I want this kid to be able to tie his shoes when I'm not around. Those are the two things. You know, the rest of it, the teachers can do for you. So I'm tying shoes all the time. And when you roll with a geese on, it's stupid. Your shirt comes off all the time. Your belt comes untied. It's dumb.

I don't even know why they do it. I'm rolling with this big dude. He's got long hair. He's not that good. Like we're having a good time. It's decently matched for as big as he is. And then we're drilling, you know, so like the coach is talking to us and then we're walking through these steps. And then we're rolling and doing the drill.

And it comes to a point where I'm in his guard, so he's got his legs wrapped around me. And I'm just kind of postured up and we're listening to the coach. right and his belt's untied I grabbed his belt and tied it for him real quick without even thinking about it and looked at him and he looked at me and we were like in our heads we were like I don't know if that was

tinged with homosexuality or not and then we just both started laughing and got back to it but it was such a weird moment man it was just like My brain was so triggered as like, shit's untied, tie it. Shit's untied, tie it. That I was just like, and he looked at me, and I looked at him, and I was like, let's just, let's just move past this together.

But yeah, myths of your physical prowess, gentlemen, listen up. It's not a movie out there. Now, another thing, if you're not sparring on a regular basis, you don't have the reaction time, you don't have the, you're just going to have to come full force, give it everything you got with one shot, because you can't square off with someone if you haven't been sparring.

Oh yeah, and they have. Yeah. Yeah, if they have, you're in big trouble. Yeah. If they have and you haven't. If you're both coming from square one, you might be all right. It's going to be funny, but it might be all right.

Right. But you're 100% of it. right Dave Jones. I remember the first time I sparred period. And I was just like, oh, and I thought I was pretty good at hitting objects that didn't move. I felt really good about hitting things that didn't move and knowing where to be. And I was like, oh, God, I'm just going to get my legs kicked this whole time. Because I got too much to worry about from the shoulders. And you know what I mean? From the waist up, there's too much to worry about. I can't even imagine. worrying about from the waist down on top of it and trying to move.

Yeah, it's a thing. That's a big one. What else? Let's do one more illusion myth fantasy of the fallen world. Okay, one more, and then I got to go. That works for me. It's nine. We did it.

Yep. All right, let's see. Misperceptions. Like I need to have a million dollars or I need a Humvee. What? Oh, my God, no. Oh, me. That's funny.

As a matter of fact, those two things would make you a target. Yeah, really? That's a good point. You know, a lot of times people ask me about a bugout vehicle that's EMP proof. And I said, well, yeah, you can do it. It takes a lot of work. Thada, da, da, da, da, da, da, explain all this stuff. And then I say to them, do you really want to be the only person out there?

I've heard it. That has a moving vehicle. Yeah, I've heard it, and I've seen the revelation on people's face in real time Yeah When you've done this in class, because I know this question's come up with me present at one of your classes Yeah You would be nothing but a target Yeah, the only car, it's that War of the World scene

Yeah Remember that one? Yeah Well, I think we can go out on that note That's a good tidbit Look, I'll try to post this thing in the... Huh? Okay, that's great.

Yeah, we had a great show. Touched on all kinds of bases, Dave Jones. These are fun, man. I'll miss these when there's no more of these left. I'll tell you that much. The Q&A's from Reddit with Dave Jones, the NBC guy. These are a good time. I'll see maybe tomorrow I'll beg and plead once again to the Reddit people and say, listen.

See, this is where I get myself in trouble, though. At the beginning of the show, I asked the audience to contemplate a violent revolution in the United States. So immediately they're going to listen to the episode and go. No, no, no, buddy. Yeah, you didn't get my input on that, but I think it has to be on the table. Oh, yeah. Now, how it's going to all go down and transpire. You know, I have visions of guys going into the armory parking lot and driving away with tanks.

I have visions of people military people flying jets to some airport that they know they can fly them to I mean I just have this country is so divided

you have to wonder how many of the military will be on our side I know it would be a large portion yeah you know and the deeper we get into world war, I think the more likely the military is going to be on the side of isolation.

You know, it's not like Peter going to be like, I can't wait to go over and fight in the Pacific against China. Yeah. You know what I mean? For the sake of Taiwan. Yeah. Well, it's a whole different thing when you're fighting your neighbors. Well, exactly.

I mean, what would it, what kind of an animal would you have to be? to be like, you know what? I think I'm on the side of Joe Biden and the government in this one. I don't see it. Joe Biden and the government. I'm on Joe Biden and the government side for this. The Biden team. I'm on the Biden team.

Yeah. Does that mean we get the nap all day? I thought that's what that meant. And eat ice cream. All right, Dave Jones. I'll let you get some rest. I got to get home too. And prepare for Tuesday.

Yep, Tuesday. Thanks, man. Thank you, sir. All right, PBN family, please do us all a favor. Support those incredible sponsors. And that's it for me. I'll talk to you guys, probably tomorrow with some PBN daily news. Until then, man.

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