The Prepper Broadcasting Network - Caps & Powder

Episode Date: June 2, 2024

In a societal collapse, all you have is a club once the bullets run out. Even if you can make powder, a primer or a cap (for a black powder gun) is needed. Stories from the early 1900s convey the same fact. Is it possible to make your own primers and powder?

Hey guys, and welcome back to the Changing Earth podcast. So I know last week I promised you that we'd be doing a live show, but because of the amount of work that goes into each show and my desire to be technology free for a week while I'm on vacation, I decided to do two rerun episodes, went into the archives, dug out some goodies. Unfortunately, that means we're also going to miss out on a couple of weeks of Changing Earth news. these. Unfortunately, that means we're also going to miss out on a couple of weeks of changing earth news. We've had some solar activity coming back, so we need to keep eyes on that. Go ahead and stay tuned in to Suspicious Observers while I'm gone. And we've had some interesting political stuff

going on. Of course, I don't like to get into it, but there comes a time when we all need to think about what we're doing in this country. And what right now is kind of one of those times. So hopefully, you know, we had some crazy weather over this past week, 90 mile an hour winds, had some damage at our house. So hopefully you all are safe out there. I know it's been a rough week here in the States with storms and everything, and we've got just more on the horizon. So just prayers for everybody that you're out there, you're safe. But this is a great episode.

Chin's with me on this one. Ellen's here, and we're talking caps and powder. What a great conversation, and I really learned a lot, actually, when I did this episode. So I'm happy to bring it back to you again. Without any further ado, let's go ahead and get started with the show. Welcome back to the Changing Earth podcast with author Sarah F. Hathaway and co-host Chen Gibson. Blending survival fiction and fact to bring you entertaining education that will help you dream, survive, and thrive. And now, here's your host,

Sarah F. Hathaway and Chen Gibson. Hello, and welcome back to the Changing Earth podcast. This is episode number 341, and we are checking out Little House in the Big Woods again today. Hey, Jim, what's up? Hey, Jim's up. So I was going to say, like, what chapter number we're on, but it gets a little confusing sometimes because there's, like, the side story, like, little chapters. So I don't know. This one's called Long Rifle or The Long Rifle, right?

Mm-hmm. Yeah, because there was, like, the story of Grandpa out in the woods with the panther, which was really- Yeah, that was a good one. Yeah, that was pretty intense. I would be solid gold Twinkie coming out. Yeah, and then the panther stays on the horse till he shoots him off of it oh that's crazy i've just been ever go out without your rifle yep yeah he did he's paying for that one so yeah we're gonna be uh talking a little bit of rifles today and panthers you know panthers

cougars mountain lions same beast know, different area of the world. So we had many mountain lions in California and it was a little uneasy sometimes. We were out for a hike one day and we came across a fresh kill pretty much, you know. And I'm just with the boys and I'm like, okay, I think it's time for us to turn around and go a different direction, like, right now, because they'll leave it and come back for it. Did you have your dogs with you, or a dog with you? I believe I did. I think I had Sawyer with me at the time, yeah.

I mean, you hate to say that, but... Yeah, and they know. Like, that's one of the reasons why i love big dogs is because they tend to know like what's up and uh yeah and provide that protection for you yeah for sure so i found it very interesting a few things when she was talking about the um the long rifle that pa had and this chapter was really all about that rifle and making bullets so pa had that long handled spoon and that was for melting the lead pieces and then the box with the lead pieces and then the bullet mold itself so i'm sure they had to like buy the lead at at the general store or whatever. But the furs probably, right?

Yeah. Go into town with a big old pile of furs and come home with stuff. Yeah, true. So yeah, they would melt the lead in the big spoon, pour that in the mold. You wait a minute for it to cool. Out pops your little ball. And then he would trim it with his knife to get and save of course all the lead

um trimmings right i saw a funny meme the other day and it was like you're about to find out why grandma used to wash the ziploc bags and the tin reuse tinfoil right right yeah that's truth uh i spent a bunch of money on groceries this weekend because i was like well we might as well get them while they're this price right yep self-insure yep i'll let you know how that bread i'm gonna do that bread starter too that we talked about last week so i'll let you know how that goes for sure it just sounds fun sounds like a cool science project to do with the boys too right let's see if it grows so cleaning the gun pa used the cloth on the ramrod of course did you cringe when he cleaned the gun with the hot water yeah oh my god don't pour water down your barrel right i was like what is that

hot boiling water down the barrel now but i was like i didn't get a bad i didn't get a chance it's not where my research focused either so i didn't get a chance to like research the logic behind that and the hot water to make sure that it dried faster and everything yeah that's why yeah it's got to be like scorching hot water so it it evaporates real quick oh that okay i can see that but man i know right when i freak out when i bring mine out and it starts to drizzle right yeah and it's outside or wipe it all down and yeah yeah i was in the same boat i was like i don't know about that i do know that the black powder that they were using back then because we have like the smokeless powder um but the black powder is just way thicker left a way thicker residue

much more corrosive yeah on the weapon yeah yeah. Yeah, they would keep pouring. They would pour the... Keep ramming it through there. Yeah, the cloth through it, the pour to get it until it finally came clean. Yeah, I was like, what? And that's not getting down into the trigger mechanism and rusting everything out like yeah i don't know we'll have to maybe we'll have to get a hold of james

jaeger he'll be like no no well i mean it's a whole different yeah it's true yeah we gotta look for a black powder specialist and i'm sure explain this well if they use caps the trigger mechanism is probably on the outside well and they didn't have it was all on the outside yeah it was just a hole where the fire from the the uh the cap would ignite the powder and shoot through there yeah it wasn't like an ar with that hole like yeah no that's true that's true with springs and all the stuff yeah um yeah so but they didn't have the cleaners like you know we have a cleaner nowadays it's like it's a chemical compound he wiped it down with oil though so right and that's you know that's your rendered what ma was rendering that

grease that's what you're using to clean it and uh i mean that's where we would be if you, you know, depending on how much oil you stock up. I mean, that's basically where you're going to be unless you have a way of producing oil post-collapse. So Nicole Appelian had said that about olive oil. I think I've said this on the air a lot. But yeah, to use the animal grease instead of the olive oil so and then of course loading he he always loaded his weapon because it took a long time to load right so yeah you want to have it ready to go uh which yes it creates a little bit of danger but uh

above the door right yeah above the door right above the door the kids? Yeah. Above the door. Right. Above the door. The kids aren't going to be able to reach it. So he'd measure out the powder from the cap, pour it in the barrel. Then you put your grease patch down on top of that, with the ball, ram that sucker down. And I've seen a lot of black powder rifles.

And the flintlock, me always seemed like well i thought like all of them were flintlock for some reason i don't know they're the caps yeah and most of the modern ones are caps she's already talking about caps back here you know and this was early 1900s uh when this was all written and published and whatnot and i was like wow that i didn't realize they had primer caps even back then i thought it was like something that was newer to so that you didn't have to use like the flintlock type stuff anymore um but no they actually had them the early 1800s is when they developed uh chemical type primers i found that really really interesting so of course where do i start researching like well

because my friend had a black powder gun and he bought it for like post-collapse scenario because then you could shoot always be able to make your own powder and everything and i'm like well what about the caps how do you make like the cap so how do where are you going to get those yeah so you can buy like a thousand of them for 75 bucks so if you're planning on right if you're playing out like black powdering it post collapse that's better than 22 rounds exactly exactly i was like okay there you go i'm if i'm you i'm probably just gonna buy like 3 000 of those things right now and call it a day you know but you can make your own primers i found this out so there's legalities to this people a lot's legalities to this, people. A lot of legalities to this.

So you're allowed to... Do your own research. Yeah, do your own research. I'm not going to tell you how to do it. We're just going to have a conversation. We're not suggesting anything here on this show. Right, exactly. It's all historical. It's all historical.

Like, yeah, we're pondering. It's just a thought exercise. So there are significant legalities. You are allowed to make your own primers. However, you can't give them away or sell them. There's federal laws all over that. There's also legal restrictions to some of the chemicals and whatnot that you need to make them. So, and that varies by state, how much you're allowed to have on hand

and how you have to store those chemicals. And then there's laws about making primers in your home, your garage, or your external workshop. More laws, more so than doing it at a commercial space. So that's one of the things that you really need to look into with like some quality legal assistance if you're ever going to do this for like practice or whatever. And then some of the chemicals that they use to make

like commercially available primers are actually not legal at all. So you cannot buy them um and and use them okay so now that we have the legals hold on one second i'm gonna bring ellen in she wanted to come on the show today and we're always happy to have ellen so let me grab her real quick um but yeah so and a lot of these chemicals as well are very very dangerous so there was cautions all over about um um you know storing these chemicals and that kind of thing so hey you hear me yep we got you all right so so we're already kind of knees deep talking about how to make your own primers for cartridges and things like that. But for caps, for black powder. Yeah, for black powder.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I was explaining these chemicals. Probably not allowed to have them at all in Australia. You can just check that right off the list. I'm probably allowed to have them here in texas but maybe um yeah you can't even get uh reloading equipment right now yeah there you go you think the mo situation is bad in america it's 10 times worse here fair enough no russian ammo going around right now either yeah okay so if you guys are going to do this i i don't have the document to tell you on the air but i will find it again and put it up because it was actually pretty interesting

so flintlocks were really unreliable and especially if it was raining or was damp out which of course right once the powder gets wet it's it's uh not going to be as effective so they first made percussion caps in the early 1800s and they were widely used until the end of the civil war um they were typically copper partially filled with mercury mercury fulminate, and other chemicals. So how about that? 1800s. Did you know that they went back that far, Chan? I have no idea.

I did not. I did not either. I thought it was like flintlock up to like, I don't know what I was thinking, honestly. So in 1857, that's when they came out with the self-contained metallic cartridge designed to put a primer in for a deformable hollow rim, which is your.22 short.

And, yeah. And the.22 short is still commercially available. It was first developed in 1857. I was like, yeah. No. Yeah. Yes. There you go. I was like, yeah. No. Yeah. Yes.

There you go. I know. I think I saw a Sears and Roebuck ad for that when I was looking around for stuff for the show today. Really? There was a Sears and Roebuck, yeah, for it was a little 22 round. Wow. Yeah, I had no idea it was that that early so all calibers used to be designed with the rim fire but because you could you were limited to the amount of internal pressure you

could create in there you had to have the rim what had to be you know easy to break down so it limited the amount of internal pressure you could get put inside of the bullet that's why they went to a center fire model which so many oh it's good learning day today and then they made it so that you could remove the primer so it's just easy more easy to reload so cowboys they were actually out reloading their old bullets saving the casings and reloading them even back in the day um really interesting stuff and then your primers that you that you use like even when we were reloading shotgun shells for trap we just get rid of the old primers right but you can actually take those and reuse them which i found really interesting but they need to be really um properly clean and prepared you got to take the dimple out yeah i was gonna say because you get that look where the hammer

hits it you get the little mark right and so you're still going to be able to see the mar but if you hit it again from the back side it'll take that dimple out and you can actually reuse them. So that was really interesting. So you can actually make a primer from the toy caps, you know, for the cap guns. The red ones? Yes. They have a way of making primers, refilling your old primers with the material

from eight of those little caps. You refill the primer with it, put it back together, and boom, you can use that primer to actually shoot again. There you go. Right?

I know. You can hardly find those things anymore. i know right yeah and they have to be german made they can't be the ones from china he was like don't even waste your time on the ones from china but the ones that are made in germany are really high quality and they'll work a lot better so of course there's a failure rate there because you know this is like winging it if you had to right and you can also refill your primers with the material from the strike anywhere matches yeah and you want just the white stuff off the tip of it and you fill it it takes like four matches or so to fill up one primer but you can use that material inside of a primer as well to remake a primer

it'd be one thing to use that for hunting but could you imagine like depending on that depending on it when your life's on your house well if you had nothing else i guess maybe in a pinch i mean i'm still gonna have my screamer sticks and all my martial arts knowledge and all that too but knives arrows knives yeah right yeah the i need a bayonet on the end of my rifle that's true the bow might be more reliable at that point so but both of those items you're not going to get on any kind of a government watch list with those items now there's another chemical it's called h48 and if you order that you probably will be on a watch list and most items now there's another chemical it's called h48 and if you order that you probably will be on a watch list and most of the other chemicals that you need to actually

produce primers are really volatile really dangerous and you probably will end up on a government watch list but um you can do it so i found that very interesting. It's like, how do you deal with it after everything's gone? What do you do? Well, you need to go back to the flint and steel. Right, but if you don't have a firearm that's designed to do that, then you're in the same boat, right?

Now all you have is a club without ammo. I mean, right? So, okay. So then it went it went into of course making gunpowder and if you can believe it or not wiki how had an article on this i'm like i gotta check this out because you know wiki how right but it's actually much easier than you think to make gum powder you need um salt peter which is potassium nitrate and they used to get it from like bat guano or horse urine but it is the material that they or the chemical that they use in stump remover so if you're at a

hardware store the stump remover will say saltpeter, Niter, N-I-T-E-R, or potassium nitrate on the back. That's the one. You can buy it online. Or cold packs actually have potassium nitrate in them, like the cold packs that you buy to put on wounds and stuff. Alternatively, if you want to put on wounds and stuff. Alternatively, if you wanna make it yourself, you can do that from your own urine.

So this was interesting. So you fill a drum that has been equipped with a drain and a valve and a filter at the bottom and you urinate into it, you top it off with water you wait 10 months and then you dry it on trays and what you're going to be left with is salt peter or that's you know potassium nitrate so that was start now start now because you might need it later. So that's what they used to use horse urine, right? Because horses go a lot of, they pee a lot.

So there you go. And you need charcoal. Charcoal, you can just buy it at your store. You can use a standard grade charcoal. It works. You're going to fill, if you want to make it yourself, get a metal drum, fill it with willow or another type of wood, and then put the drum on the fire with a loose lid just for airflow.

And you keep it on the bonfire for about four to six hours and you'll have beautiful charcoal inside your drum. Sure. Yeah. Yep. And then you need elemental sulfur. And so elemental sulfur is used to acidify soil and you can find it just at any garden store and it's mined in texas louisiana italy and other places so once you have your three

chemicals then you're going to finely grind all the ingredients with like a mortar and pestle and clean your mortar and pestle in between each different chemical and then they said you could use a ball mill if needed I'm not quite sure what a ball mill is but that's if you're making a lot of it and that grinds and mixes for you and then they had the percentages in there it's like 75peter. Okay, 74.8% saltpeter, 13.3% charcoal, and 11.9% sulfur. And then you're going to dampen the ingredients because when you dampen the ingredients, they're not as volatile. And this is where you have to start being careful. No smoking, no heating around it no anything like that around your black powder you dampen the ingredients and then you mix them together if

you're using the mortar and pestle you do that for like 10 minutes and then if you're using the ball mill um you want to mix your charcoal and sulfur first for four hours and then salt peter add that do it for 24 hours um and then they add water to that mixture up to eight percent of the mixture becomes water and this will form a ball that's like a thick clay ball and then you run that through a sieve like a you know your kitchen sieve and it'll break it into the like the little granules that you see that That's how you do gunpowder. I was like, well, that's not as tough as I've seen on everything. I think it's because

the guy was trying to use his own pee and stuff, and he was a wacko. So, yeah. Sounds like an episode that Bear Giles used to always running around naked peeing on stuff

well you know male urine keeps the animals away pee is actually very very good for citrus so I'll be using my pee for my citrus trees interesting remind me not to eat your citrus if I ever know I'm just kidding now if you have like a setting

out your chicken chicken coop and stuff like that um plant citrus in your chicken coat because the chicken chicken manure is fantastic for um citrus as well yeah we just moved our coop over today and found a nest of like 25 little baby mice uh living under the feed container yeah it was would have been cottage they drowned yeah they all drowned quite unfortunately yeah i made them a pool and i i didn't realize they couldn't get out of there they couldn't swim so i would have just left the chickens at it. Yeah, it wasn't. You know, behind the chicken coop, we have the storage thing there, the big Tupperware container.

Yeah, it was back underneath that. Oh, okay. Yeah. We had the coyotes come in at the chicken coop last night. Oh, really? Yeah, and dug out all like under the door and stuff um one of them i think it was just stress because she wasn't feeling good anyway so one chicken did die and so we moved the whole chicken coop over another section so they have

fresh green grass and it's not dug out the ground's all you know hardened and whatnot there yeah yeah it was awesome let me tell you i'd imagine all right well um black powder rifles you ever used one i have not no um there is a black powder club here. Okay. And you can go out and actually get dressed up in their, you know. Oh, yeah, like the old 1800s stuff. Yeah, no, I haven't been interested in it. But maybe I should get interested in it now. Yeah.

Yeah, I've fired it a couple of times. It's pretty cool. It's like this big plume of smoke. You feel like you're in a revolutionary war or something. When you shoot it. I bet that takes the aim down a little bit when it's all smoky

all over the battlefield from all that going off. The fog of war. Yep. Yeah. all over the battlefield from all that going off the fog of war yep yeah um no some of the different it was interesting reading about the primers though because some of the chemicals like along the way um the first chemical they had was it was a mercury that mercury falsomate or whatever it was actually making the brass brittle and so you couldn't reuse the cartridges because it would corrode the brass and make the brass brittle and then the brass would crack so they started using this other chemical it was like sulfur or something and when they

switched from black powder to smokeless powder because the black powder wasn't leaving that residue it started corroding the barrels really really badly and so they figured out that they noticed it more when the black powder residue wasn't there

it was actually protecting the metal which was really interesting so now they've switched their formula up all together and now they have new green formulas and whatnot so it doesn't contain heavy metals and yeah you know still it's still going to be lead though that we're firing i didn't realize my well no sometimes it's not now yeah yeah even uh-huh plastic or coated or yeah um one thing from uh dr chamberlain when i had him on my show years ago um we talked about bullet wounds a lot of the times he was saying like hollywood is so far off on their bullet wound like oh we got to get the bullet out of there no you don't you know you don't have to get the bullet out of there. No, you don't. You know, you don't have

to get the bullet out of there unless it's like sitting in a joint and preventing movement or, you know, it's well, if it's in your heart, you're dead. But you know what I'm saying? Like you don't if it's just in your body, you don't necessarily have to remove that. What you want to do is make sure that the clothing and any kind of shrapnel that went in with it is out of there and then you can just leave that bullet in there and the body will form scar tissue around it and you won't even get lead poisoning because it it forms this protective case around it and you can live with the bullet in you for yeah i've read that yeah yeah there's been like crazy cases of people who got shot in the head and like never even realized it.

And then they had like weird headaches and stuff and then figured out that they actually got like shot in the head in the past. Yeah, I know. I was like, how would you not know that? Like, oh, there was a commotion in town and I thought I just got hit and you were actually shot in the head. Okay. What if I told you you could own land for $200 down and highly affordable monthly payments? Your cheap land.com is your answer to bug out land, hunting, recreation, and whatever else your prepper mind can dream up. Yourcheapland.com has properties in Texas, New Mexico, Colorado, Oklahoma, Arizona, Utah.

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You can find them. They're not in as abundance anymore over here, but you can still find them. So, but it's not like back in the day when, I mean. They were everywhere. Yeah. And everybody's like, whoa, why would I want that? Okay.

I did want to actually give a super shout out thank you to Dr. Bones because I can't remember if I did it last week on the show or not. But Dr. Bones sent me out one of the first aid kits that's in the mole case and this thing is epically awesome and yeah so it's it's like everything that you need and i wear this little hip pouch anyway i haven't seen it oh you've seen it chid too my little hip pouch that i wear this will just go right on the other side and i'm telling you i could be like walking out in a walking dead world with my my hip pouch my knives my first aid kit i'm set dude i'm set it's perfect for edc perfect and and he said be the latest version of his book so that's cool i know yeah so we're like quite the team like if you know we'll have to like call each other or send smoke signals and you'll

yeah i got the book you got the the the hardware well yeah i start walking your way you start walking mine sounds like a country song it is totally a country song yeah for real sorry this is truly australian we've actually got first aid kits that are just snake snake bike snake bite yeah we had them for california too the snake the snake bite kits yeah yeah and don't like do that. It doesn't work. If you try to suck the poison out of somebody else, it does. Oh no,

no pressure. Yeah, exactly. That's why the tourniquet comes in handy. I mean, they're like 13 bucks or something. They're totally not expensive and a hundred percent worth it. something they're totally not expensive and 100 worth it and it would go right into that spot of this kit which is perfect but i bought one at zion oh oh they have them at zion that's right

down the street from my house so yes zion survival store um they don't pay me they're just awesome they have oxen farms and everything there as well. So if you're ever in my neck of the woods, you got to stop by Zion. For sure. Yeah, I must. I was like a kid in a candy store. I know. I go in there and

it's like, oh, I have to look at this. And I have to look at that. And I have to look at this. It's all right there. It's not online. You have to shop through it. It's like right there so yeah that's where i got my window breaker for my keychain quote he said to me because i want to get a book to bring bring back next time i'm over she goes oh yeah just email us a couple of weeks before so we make sure it's in stock for you. Oh, right on. Yeah, they're the best people. They're so nice, too.

I'm sure they have a website, guys, if you want to go check it out. Zion Survival Store or something like that. But it's Zion, Z-I-O-N. I don't know if they have a website. I never look it up because I can just go to the store. That's pretty cool. But, yeah. Yeah, they're good stuff and uh have you tried out that um alexa pierre the personal water uh bottle that i gave you no i'm oh yeah in the go bag so

i got the one yeah i got the one that you got to replace it like the next day seriously yeah i know after i left yeah yeah so i gave ellen my used one it was only used once but you know how with a life straw you'd have to do spit soup like if you only have a life straw in your go bag and you're going to make dinner and you want clean water well you have to suck the water up through the spoon and then use that water for your soup right gross i mean um so i'm always looking for water purification systems that you don't have to literally suck on to make them work and the alexa pure the water bottle they have with the personal water filter, you can just squeeze it and water

comes out of it and it's all purified. I've got the LifeStraw version as well. Sawyer has one too. Yeah, the Sawyer Mini. It screws on top of water. Yeah, I bought one of those

the first time. And the Saw time. Yeah. And the Sawyer Mini, too, would work. It has a little bag to hang it. Yeah. But this one was pretty cool. I like the Alexa Pure because I have the big water filter, and so

I wanted to try out the little personal water bottle, and yeah, it's good stuff. Recommended, for sure. There's a lot more companies over here now that, of course, the community is starting to get massive, you can imagine, over the last two years. Oh, yeah. People are starting to really think about having a little something,

you know, some food spare and stuff. And there's a few more companies opening up. So it's –'re not, comparison with the price, they're still going to be more expensive than when I can buy it even with the money, the dollar, right?

But at least they're here instead of having, you know, I've got to go over there to buy it from wherever I need to buy it. Yes, yeah. Ellen, the Zion I've got to go over there to buy it from wherever I need to buy it. Ellen, the Zion store has a customer loyalty program. Get your points and save

money. Oh, yeah. I found their site. Awesome. You should put it up in the chat for everyone. You get five points for every dollar spent

well Sarah can have my points but that's okay I'm going to get some Ogson Farm butter I was like oh okay I need to make sure I can stock up some butter when I was in there they had the red feather butter the canned butter

and I was so tempted but I don't think I could have got it through. But I didn't tell you this. So all that jerky I bought. Uh-huh. Confiscated. No. Yeah. Confiscated at the border.

Oh, dude. It was like $80 worth of jerky chin yeah i was like good they were hungry yeah oh yeah they were hungry yeah pork mixed in with it oh we can't bring anything pork related back into the country oh man i'd have been spitting nails yeah no i wasn't happy um but now i know for next time so i won't be doing that or i'll eat it over there yeah but yeah i was uh just this is absolutely stood there in line and like eat it in front of them you're right i opened the bag, like, that bag I had, and she just took it all, and,

you can't have this. What? No! It'd be like, stuff in my mouth. Oh. But, I bought those,

because we don't have them here, the, the, I don't know, see more than the, the prepping, stockpiling videos, the little cans of the hot dogs. Oh, Vienna.

Vienna sausages. Oh, God, that's what you're bringing home from America. No, I'm just interested and like to try different things, like I tried the okra. And what if you can't? They were allowed in. What? But my jerky

was not. I was telling you, the customers that was hungry, they'd say, oh, there's some good American jerky. Let's have it. Yup. I think that's exactly what happened. Gutted. Absolutely gutted. Oh, man. Well, that's okay.

This time when you come, we'll go to bucky's they have even better jerky there they have like the best jerky there so yeah uh and we can drive and eat it when we're on our way to prepper camp yeah yeah yeah yeah so lots of lessons learned from this trip so uh you got your k-bar in last time so yeah yeah so you can't complain yeah not beef jerky yeah so the biosecurity they're just massively because if we get if we get like foot and mouth disease or freaking any of those livestock diseases here, it'll just decimate. So, I mean, we're rabies-free.

We've been rabies-free forever. We've never had rabies on Australian soil, so they're massively concerned about that stuff. But I thought that if it was dried and it's already been processed, I could bring it in, but no, you cannot. But you can bring in Vienna sausages. That's fine. Yeah, because it's already been processed, I could bring it in. But no, you cannot. But you can bring in Vienna sausages. That's fine. Yeah, because it's canned.

Oh, okay. We're just going to do some. Yeah. Yeah. Canned jerky. We need to find a source for canned jerky. Yep. That's exactly where my brain went.

Or canned stuff. Get some number 10 cans and put them up and put the lid on. Well, I want to get a couple of those to bring home too. But the problem is, is that they've cut international baggage down to one bag per person now. Oh. Two. So I got charged $100 US coming back by American for one extra bag. Of course.

Worked out to be $145 in my money. What are your guys' gas prices doing? Our diesel now is $2.19 a liter, which is the... What do we work out? There's 3.5 liters to a gallon, maybe 4 liters to a gallon.

Yep. I just paid five dollars like 5 30 a gallon for diesel oh yeah yeah even ours is like this past week when i filled up our diesels is even up to like 419 yeah i cried but i saw pictures of gas in in sack nine bucks a gallon yeah i mean i was supposed to go up to the to my property this weekend and i said i'm not going i can't go i cannot i cannot afford to go it's going to be 150 for a tank of petrol so we were we were filled up my friend has like a reserve tank in his pickup truck because he's a long hauler and uh it it limited out at 125 dollars we had to like stop and they'd run the card again and then fill up some more oh my gosh we went inside it so you need to recalibrate your your pumps because they're not letting you even fill up a tank of gas anymore.

Yeah. Wow. Or diesel. It was diesel. Yeah, the diesel's crazy. Yeah. Yeah, it's all insanity. Yeah.

And then you've got premium fuel, like your 98% octane or whatever it's called, that's almost $3 a litre. Yeah. It's ridiculous. I did an Audi shop last weekend and so

with our German Shepherd, she gets like a chicken wing in the morning and at night. It's just from the habit from her previous owner. And the two-kilogram bags of chicken wings, two kilos, I can't remember. I don't know what the pound conversion for that is, but it's gone up $ dollars for chicken wings yeah i went to the store today uh because we're out of our our um half a cow that we had bought and did you buy

rice what did you buy rice oh i did oh i bought rice 50-pound bag of rice. And Tractor Supply has these dog food containers that have the seal-safe food lids. So, yeah, I got rice for freaking days now. I'm just going to start just like, I can't believe I ran out of rice. It's just an embarrassment. I was at work listening to the podcast at work, and you said that you run it was i burst out laughing uh-huh yeah yeah i know it's all right we all make mistakes you know golly i'm never gonna leave let you leave this down. Yeah, I know. Well, no.

I'm not going to throw Brack under the bus twice. It's not going to happen. Twice in one show. Holy shit. No, it's not going to happen. I'll take full responsibility for that one. I should have had a backup bag. I don't know.

I feel like I need a safe space with you two women on this podcast episode. Oh, do you need your safe zone? That's right. Well, we got to get out of here anyway. We've done enough jaw jacking and diddly squats for one show. I'm going to go ahead and put the site that I used to reference for that primer. It's a cool PDF download. So if you guys are interested in that,

come on over to the blog description and I'll have it over there. Cause you know, I just did like a highlights off of it. And if you really want to get down to the nitty gritty and all the science of it and everything, it's there for you. So good stuff to have in a binder, I guess like in case you needed it

you know for the future so you never know all right well that about takes care of it oh website is www changing earth series.com changing earth series.com so that's where you're going to find it out go to the podcast and just go to like latest episodes you'll find it there there's buttons all over the place you can't figure it out well I don't know all right

so everybody enjoy yourself thank you Ellen for coming on the show always a pleasure as always all right when I saw all the Australia stuff I was like yep come on Ellen so perfect I very rarely have a Monday off so

yeah happy to have you with us alright until next time remember dream survive thrive thank you for joining Sarah and Chen for this episode of the Changing Earth podcast. Don't forget to pick up your copy of Day After Disaster at www.authorSarahFHathaway.com.