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Episode Date: May 8, 2026

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Pocan Valley could become a sanctuary city of a different kind. I'm proposing that the city of Spokane Valley issue of proclamation stating that our city is a Second Amendment sanctuary. Today on Church and State, The Truth with John Gordon. Hello, Christian Patriots, and welcome to Church and State where we drive morality and religion over tolerance and apathy. And I'm your host, Caleb Collier, once again, your favorite far-right shock jock and the show that talks about politics and religion. Jesus Christ is our referee, so it's always nice. and clean. Real quick, I'm going to point you to the website, church and state. You can do a few things here. Number one, fill out that registration form so you can get our

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He's the host of the syndicated radio show The Truth with John Gordon. He's a graduate of Mercer University Law School in Georgia. He's a business owner and entrepreneur who's also worked as a journalist and reporter in Atlanta. And, sir, it is an absolute pleasure to have you on Church and State. Well, thank you, Caleb. It's great to be with you. Absolutely.

So you and I were having just some really interesting conversations. I love the title of your show, The Truth, because that's the end goal for all of us, right? We want to get to the truth. And there's so much out there and so much that the guys. government and the media talking heads are pressing upon us that just does not seem believable. I mean, where do you want to start? And it's just gotten, you know, and I was home with the flu in the fourth grade in 1963 on November 22nd. And I watched the entirety for the next, for the four days of JFK's assassination. To me, it was the day America lost its innocence. And we have

been fed lie after lie after lie for the last 60 years. And they got away with it so easily and so well for so long. And then this pesky little thing called the internet came along. And then you had the rise of citizens journalists like you and me. And we were not paid off by the government. We're not paid off by advertisers. And we can speak freely and truthfully. And at my tender age of 73, that's all I care about is the truth. I want to restore. I want to do my part as one very small megaphone to influence as many people as I can

to get our country back to its roots, our foundational values. When I grew up every Sunday, I was in Sunday school at 10 a.m., church at 11. We many times would stay for lunch at church. If not, I would come back at, five o'clock for NYF Methodist youth ministry and then have dinner. I was back at church on Wednesday night with my family for Wednesday night suppers. I was back on Friday and Saturday for the

Mulberry Methodist Church Youth Center. I lived at the church. I literally spent as much time at the church as I did at home or in school. And I'm not saying that. proudly. I'm just saying it because I think it's shaped who I am today. And I'm grateful for having had that experience. I was not a popular kid. I was a nerd. I was skinny. I was uncoordinated. I wore glasses. I wore braces. And I got picked on a lot. And I found acceptance and love in the church. And I really think it was God's intention. and he led me there because of the way that it unfolded. You know, that background is so important.

It's so vital. I've been doing this for a while now, and what I find is people that were raised in the church, they have that natural inclination towards pursuing the truth. And you brought up Kennedy, and I think that's probably the best example of just such a ridiculous story that the American people just bought, because the government wouldn't lie to us.

The government wouldn't participate in the assassination of their own president. Why would they do something like that? They don't look into the Bay of Pigs, what happened there with JFK and not wanting to be a part of the Vietnam War and all of this, bringing us to the brink of nuclear war, the deep state at that point, and JFK being able to pull us back. But there's so much more there. You and I were talking off camera. And these so-called conspiracy theories, which is a term that was literally in, invented by the CIA, you know, there's truth there. And we got to be able to explore that. We got to

preserve the First Amendment to where we can talk about it without, and especially in the current environment, without being called the Woke Reich. You know, there's this new blend of conservative, independent journalists that are leading people astray. And we're supposed to all hate Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson because they're asking questions. Well, I find that label that was, and you're quoting Netanyahu, despicable. We give that country $30 billion a year in aid. That doesn't include the military presence that we have there and the aid that we provide their military.

We're into the hundreds of billions of dollars, and you and I were also talking about Charlie Kirk before we came on air, and I don't know what happened to Charlie. I really don't, but I do not believe for a second that Tyler Robinson got up on a roof, assembled the gun, assumed the sniper's position, fired one shot with such precision that did not leave an exit wound or create mass trauma that you would have expected from a 30-a-6th. I don't care what the load was, whether it was a, you're the gun guy, I'm not. I mean, I can talk to you about shotguns all day long, but that's,

the extent of my familiarity. But I've watched enough commentators and reenactments to know that if it was a 30-0.6, it would have inflicted massive trauma to the back of Charlie's head. And, you know, I just don't understand. Well, I mean, the only thing that is left, when we're fed lies, I don't know about you, but when I'm lied to, it triggers me really bad. I have a very severe negative reaction to being lied to. And my instincts are enraged that we are being lied to about Charlie's death because I considered him the smartest human being I've ever had the pleasure of knowing.

And he, in my view, was an American treasurer. He was a patriot. He was a disciple of Christ. And he preached the gospel. He could quote the Bible better than any pastor I've ever been acquainted with. And he was a phenomenal individual. individual and I was sitting in Norman, Oklahoma, having lunch with my wife and middle son, and a newsflash came up on the television over the bar and it said that Charlie Kirk had been shot.

I felt that someone had walked up to me and punched me in the stomach as hard as they could. I'm still reeling from it. And I looked at my wife and my throat was, my voice was quivering and my throat had a lump in it. I said, why would they do that? why would they take Charlie Kirk? Is that because he was having an impact? Mm-hmm. He was having an impact, a massive impact.

And I join you on that. You know, I, well, the fans of this show know, I used to work for Charlie Kirk. I worked for TPSA Faith. And I can echo exactly what you're saying. The man knew the word like nobody I've ever seen. Brilliant individual. And yet, for those of us that are questioning the official narrative,

the story, which I join you in as well. There's absolutely no way the official narrative makes any sense. This Tyler Robinson guy who, as you said, disassembled the rifle, but also reassembled it, then jumped off the roof and then reassembled it in a park so that somebody could find it. It makes zero sense. I am a Marine veteran. I've shot a lot of firearms. I've shot 30-0-6s.

This is something that people hunt elk with. and it brings down an elk. An elk is much bigger than a human being. This thing would have gone right through Charlie, probably would have hurt somebody behind the curtain there. And we're called conspiracy theorists. We're said that we're dishonoring Charlie's memory by bringing up questions about this.

And for me, the best way to honor Charlie Kirk is to bring about justice. That is like the CIA spreading or labeling people, as conspiratorialist. Please call me a conspiratorialist. I don't care. And Charlie and I had that very conversation on this program. I guess it was a year ago.

And I asked him, I said, Charlie, are you tired of all the is? He said, what are you talking about? I said, sexist, misogynist, globalist, just conspiratorialist, racist, racist, racist, Just I don't care anymore. Call me anything you want to. It's not going to affect the way I think and the way I perceive and the things that I hear. And, you know, like in the 2020 election, we were told not to believe what we saw and heard with our own eyes and ears. When we saw Shea Moss and Ruby Freeman in the State Farm Arena in Atlanta, putting the same stack of 100 ballots back through the tabulators in one case, 32.

times. That's 3,200 identical votes. And the election was decided by 3,780. I mean, do the math. And now all of a sudden, you know, it took us basically 60 years to get the truth on Kennedy. I think we're getting the truth on the 2020 election six years later, 90 percent faster than Kennedy. And so the internet and citizen journalists and people that have a conscience really are making a difference. And I think we've just got to continue to be vigilant and push back on these fake narratives every chance we get. The thing that concerns me the most, frankly, is what role is Donald Trump playing in it. And I ran for Attorney General of Georgia with his endorsement. I have been totally devoted to him, even though after I lost the election, it was like,

Well, nice knowing you. That's okay. I told him. I said when I was in his office, I spent three hours with him on two different occasions. And the last time I was there, I said, Mr. President, I'd really like to be able to develop a relationship with you. He said, I go up to Georgia and win this election and then let's talk. So at the time, that's not what I wanted to hear. But on reflection, I kind of admire the fact that he did not make any false promises.

and he lived up to his non-fals promises because, you know, he hadn't reached out. I've reached out to him. He sent back a rather curt note. That's another subject altogether. I only tell that to say that if I had a bias, it would be pro-Trump. And in spite of the shabby treatment that I've received after the fact. but I have not criticized him except when he begged for it, like when he changed the name of the Kennedy Center in Washington,

the Trump Kennedy Center. I thought that was a disgrace. It marginalized the Kennedy family. And when he said that he wasn't going to deface the White House in any way to build the ballroom, and two weeks later the whole East Portico of the White House is gone, I mean, you didn't have to say that. I mean, just say we're going to reshape the East Portico. Accommodate the ballroom.

Okay. No big deal. But you don't have to put out these little white lies along the way to get your way. You understand where I'm coming from, Caleb? 100% I do. And for me, and fans of the show, no, I refer to myself as a bibliitarian. I'm very libertarian in my approach. I'm very constitutional.

And so it based everything off that. And I'm not a victim of the cult of personality. I like Trump for some reasons and other reasons. I'm like, no, I don't support this action. You promised us that you were not going to get us into any more foreign wars. And yet here we are. And the American public is hurting. Gas prices are insane right now.

And when asked about it, he jokes, he laughs about affordability. And Democrats talking about affordability. Like, no, these are important things. we could benefit as Americans from a little more isolationalism, you know, like going back to America first before we're throwing ourselves into more and more foreign wars? Okay, well, that's the point that I would welcome the conversation over. I get the point that you're making, but, I mean, let's be real. Obviously, we live in a dynamic world.

Things change. I mean, we're not going to, he's not going to get us in another war, but we're, we're, we're But what if Putin aims a nuclear missile at us? Are you saying we should sit idly by and do nothing to defend against another country's aggression? Now, that isn't extreme, but it makes the point. And I think that things in Iran changed, one, for 50 years. And you're too young to remember. But I was alive and well and a young adult when Tehran.

captured 66 U.S. Embassy employees and diplomats and held them captive for 444 days. And that was an atrocity. And I frankly blame one of my favorite presidents, Ronald Reagan, for not having held them accountable when we got the hostages released. I mean, I guess in his mind, they helped him win the election, so he couldn't turn around and bite the hand that fed him. But, you know, so many presidents had an opportunity to put Iran in its place for the last 50 years, none of them summoned the courage to do it.

So when Trump found out that they had uranium enriched to 60 percent, and that within a month they could be at 90 percent, and that's a nuclear weapon, I think he absolutely did the right thing by going into Iran. The only problem that we've got is that, you know, I read a book a long time ago, good to great, and another book, Underpromise and Overdeliver. And that's the motto that I've lived by in my business. And he overpromised and underdelivered. And if he had called me, I would have told him, Mr. President, wars are easy to start.

They're extremely difficult to end. And that's what we're seeing played out in real time right now. I mean, very well said there. You know, for me, looking at Iran, you know, our fingerprints are all over. their history, modern history, I should say. You know, they had a duly elected leader, and then he went and nationalized the oil, and we can't have that, obviously. So then we installed the puppet Shah, and the Iranian people didn't really like him.

And so they fell prey to the Islamic Revolution. It's true, but they fell prey, the Iranian people, very proud, many Christians, actually, within the Iranian populace, but they fell prey to the Islamic revolution. And this Islamic revolution is a horrible thing. It is tyrannical. It is abusive to its own citizens and to people abroad as well. But I think if we hadn't just gone through the process in the beginning and just let them have their own leader, then I don't think we'd be dealing with these same problems here. I echo what you said about, you know, them taking prisoner all of our people. It is a horrible thing. And I do applaud Ronald Reagan and getting them out. and certainly have attacked Jimmy Carter for his ineptitude in dealing with that situation. But when I look at the world stage in the world theater here, I see Americans putting, what we insert ourselves far too often is situations that we just have no business in. If Russia is going to nuke us, then obviously we take action against them.

But I think a lot of the problems that we bring upon us, we do it, well, we bring it upon ourselves, because of our desire to so-called spread democracy. Well, I mean, you make a good point. I don't know what the right answer is, frankly. There's so much evil in the world and so many atrocities that are played out. I feel like we have a moral obligation to step in. Like when the Iranians killed 43,000. 43,000.

That's the population of a pretty good-sized city or town. And just in this year, they did that. And I just don't think that, you know, moral Christians who have the ability to intervene can, in good conscience, sit on the sidelines. Also, I have a document here, and you can't really see it. Anthony, can we see it if we put it on the PTZ camera over here? I'll hold it up and see which you can do anything. But it's two pages of fine print of all the space. state-sponsored terrorism that Iran has engaged in, going back to the capture of our embassy

in 1979, but including the bombing of our embassy in Beirut, the taking of our Air Force base in Beirut. Just between those two incidents alone, you're talking about the death of over a thousand U.S. servicemen and women. But it's two pages of that. that stuff. And it goes on and on and on. And so I really commend, and you and I see so many things similarly. I'm not disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing, but I really commend the president for having the guts, especially right here before the midterms, to confront Iran and put them in check so they will stop their evilness because I've had a belly full of it, no more. And I definitely get that, and I'm no advocate for the Iranians, really, any country.

You know, I do have a America first mentality here. I want to see America benefit. I want to see us go back to the Constitution. When it comes to a lot of these foreign wars, I go back to something that General Wesley Clark said when he was running for president. And he said that he actually named countries that we would go in the future and invade, specifically because they didn't have a World Bank. we were talking about conspiracy theories in the beginning here. That is a massive conspiracy theory that these countries, if they do not have a World Bank, that they need one. And he named Syria.

He named Iraq. He named Libya. He named Iran. He named a number of countries that after he said it, we ended up going and invading. Well, I've heard similar explanations like that. but can you connect the dots? Why is it that people in our government want other countries to have a World Bank? It seems like it would, to me, just reflexively be just the opposite,

that we'd want our Central Bank to be the Central Bank. Sure. And, you know, that's our Central Bank is, I would say, is the World Bank. These are individuals who are not Americans. They are truly globalists or elitist or elitist or lucif. whatever you want to call them, but the end goal and going back to actually how you started the interview, it would be that that Christian element. We understand that this is a battle between good versus evil and that Satan wants to bring about his one world system so that he can establish

the Antichrist, that be system. And so if we have to have, as the Bible and Revelation tells us, a one world currency, then we do need a one world bank in every country to implement those plans. Gotcha. That makes sense. And I share your concern over that because the digital, that sounds like the introduction of a digital world currency. And that's the last thing I want. Yeah, that's another big conversation. I'd love to actually enter into it with you because currently we're seeing this 1984 model, if you will. You certainly point to the Chinese model. But we are getting in bed with companies like Palantir. We're pushing a central bank digital currency. We're bringing in this digital ID where we won't be able to travel if we don't have this thing.

It seems like America is heading towards a very dystopian future. You could make a very strong argument for that. And that is a scary thing because let me tell you, you know, with digital currency, you can have some pointy-headed bureaucrat in the government that just, decides that he doesn't like you. He can go flip a switch and your assets are frozen. You can't buy groceries. At that point, the government truly does own us.

And I don't think that's a consequence we can allow to happen. No, I 100% agree with you. I think we need to fight that with everything that we have. As Americans, we have truly enjoyed freedom for, I would say, so long that we stopped appreciating it. We've become apathetic. You know, everybody likes to point to Benjamin Franklin's fan. famous words when asked about the country that they had given the people.

And his response was a republic, if you can keep it. Well, we've gotten so lax as of late that we're not trying to keep this thing. We just, whatever the government says, okay, they're the law, they're the government. We've got to go with it. Well, I think if we gained anything out of 2020 and the non-legitimate presidency of Biden, the illegitimate president. We got a glimpse of just how bad it could be and it was getting worse by the day.

And I really think that if Trump had not won in 24 that we would have lost this country. If Kamala Harris and Tim Walsh were running the show, I think we would have been done. I would agree with you on that one. In fact, I've said this a number of times on the show. I typically vote either libertarian or Constitution Party. And I didn't vote for Trump in 16 and I didn't vote for him in 20,

but I did vote from in 24 because I saw exactly what you're saying. Kamala Harris, and especially knowing that they were willing to cheat just openly in 2020. I said, you got to vote for Trump in 24. I still have some questions. I still don't know entirely if I support him, but he is going to be so much of a better option than Kamala Harris. And I also echo what you just said, the silver linings of 2020, not just the Biden presidency, but also, you know, COVID-19 had silver linings to it and woke people up. And I think we're actually benefiting from that still to this day. Yeah, I agree with you. And, you know, I do very fervently believe in God. And I've done a lot of work in the inner city in Atlanta. And they've recognized me by

inviting me to the Lindsay Street Baptist Church every Thanksgiving to deliver the message on Sunday. And one of the messages that I delivered was God is in charge. And once you get to the point where you believe that, it's very liberating. I tell you that, you know, as a young father, husband, business owner, entrepreneur with debt and a payroll to meet every other Friday, I had my fair share of anxiety that I lived with. but the day that I preached that message, I have been a different person since then. And I'll tell you, if you ever want to learn something, just become the teacher of it. And by necessity, you're going to learn it.

And that's why I just coveted those moments that I was able to go and deliver a message to that congregation. Because it took me on a study of the Bible for three or four months to find support or, challenge the the thesis that I had put forward. And so once you accept that God is in charge, it is very liberating. And it put a lot of my worry to rest. Now, I always put an asperic on that and say, but God wants you to do your best. He isn't going to do the lifting for you. But if you'll do the work, he's got your back.

Amen. Very well said. We're coming up on a hard break here. but I want to show everybody the website. John Gordon.tv is the website. We're going to bring that up real quick, or johngordon.com. You can also find it there. But this is the truth.

This is your show. And just, you know, 10 seconds or 15 seconds, just tell us what people can expect there. Well, you can expect the unvarnished truth as best we can discern it. And we work really hard every week to put on a two-hour show. and we have good guests that come on and we talk about issues of the day with the lowest common denominator being the truth. And if somebody starts spewing stuff that's not, I relish calling him out on it. I love that. Well, audience, I recommend that you go check out this website.

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support us. And once again, hit the donate button for us. Keep us on the air. Keep us alive and well. So we can continue to have conversations like this one because the truth matters. With that, let's go back to our guest, the host of the truth with John Gordon. And I'm I'm just enjoying this conversation so much. What I like about this is even though we had different thoughts in regards to Iran, we can have a good conversation and not hate each other, not yell at each other, call each other names, as you were talking about earlier in the show, sir. You know, I didn't call you a fascist or something like that because I disagreed with you.

We got to go back to having conversations with the ideas that we can get to the truth. Well, there's another ist for you. I think, you know, I yearn for a day that I think it was like this when I was younger, that people in the public eye did exactly, as you just described, that they could disagree, but they weren't disagreeable. And I would like to, I fantasize of being able to start a conversation in this country that begins with the question on what can we agree. And it just seems to me that we've got so many common interest and probably values and ideals that we could share that would make a much more harmonious place to live if we weren't constantly at each other's throats.

Liberal versus Democrat, conservative versus liberal, gay versus straight, black versus white, all the things that I've really come to the conclusion that are intentional. I really I shouldn't say I've concluded I am considering strongly leaning towards believing that all of the divisiveness is intentional because I've worked in the inner city

of Atlanta as I think I mentioned for 20 years it's the worst zip code in America worse for HIV per capita worse for disease obesity diabetes homelessness, a food desert, drug abuse, prostitution, homelessness, joblessness, illiteracy, hopelessness.

And so I went there in 2006 after a police atrocity occurred. They went in and shot this 92-year-old grandmother and filled her full of 32 rounds of ammo. And I was outraged. And so I reached out to the mental. of the church in the community that was sort of the nexus where people came and congregated to vent and to express their frustration and share their grief. And it did not devolve into a riot. And it very, it was a tenderbox. It very well could have. But long story made short, I made fast friends with the minister of the Lindsay Street Baptist Church. And he, we, we,

He ain't met for breakfast, and he took me over to Ms. Johnston's home, where the incident had occurred a few days earlier. And it necessitated driving through the neighborhood, and I felt that I was in a third world country. You had little children playing on red clay vacant lots next to drug dealers and prostitutes on the street corner. It was an open-air heroin distribution place. And that work led me to know many, the majority of the 6,000 people that lived in that neighborhood. They knew me, and I knew most of them, many of them, most by first name. And it was a dangerous place. I never felt at risk.

Not one time did I ever feel. at risk or in harm's way. And I met some of the most gentle, kindest, hardworking people I've ever encountered who I developed a deep appreciation for and I think it was reciprocal. And so, but what I found is

that the leadership in the community, they wanted nothing to do with us. We formed a charity called the Friends of English Avenue and one of the state representative that lived there was our, Nemesis. She tried to fight us and undermine us at every turn possible. She also shook us down for money. She said, if you're going to work in this neighborhood, you've got to pay me a consulting pay. And I just said, oh, I'm sorry, that's not our business model. And that was the beginning of our war.

And so I received a very nice, very nice recognition after seven or eight years from Cox Enterprises, which is the owner of the Atlantic Journal Constitution and the Trust for Public Land, and they awarded our charity and me, consequently, the 2013 Hero Award. And so I derived a lot of satisfaction, and I was very grateful for that. And serendipitously, we had a fundraiser at the church the next day.

And when I arrived at the church, there were 10 people across the street holding picket signs that said, rich man go home. Rich Buckhead get out of our neighborhood. And it just completely stripped the icing off the cake. I mean, I felt about that high.

And I walked into the church. And there was Dr. Dorsey, one of the smartest and wisest ladies that I ever met. She was African-American. And he could tell that I was sort of slumping my shoulders

and looked a little dejectedly. She said, John, don't you worry? He said, don't you know? no dogs don't chase cars. And I said, okay, I got it. Sure. But it was the leadership.

And they were trying to undermine us and tear us apart. They probably hired those protesters. Oh, they totally hired. One of my friends went over and said, what are you mad about? He said, I don't know. I'm just mad. He said, well, why are you out here then? He said, oh, I was offered a free lunch,

but I'd come out here and hold this sign for 30 minutes. There you go. So the late Ivory Young, who was a very good friend of mine, he was on the city council in Atlanta, and he also represented this neighborhood. I said, ivory, what is the matter with these people? We're here to try and do good and to help reclaim this neighborhood. And he said, John, don't worry about it. He said, they are the poverty tempts.

They don't want things to change because that's their power base and that's their money machine. And you're threatening it. Exactly. Okay. Yeah, I echo exactly what you just said. We agree on so much of this. I've actually been just as of late devoting a number of time, a number of segments to getting people to start questioning who their enemy is. Because they, I believe that this is 100% intentional.

Keep us separated. class warfare, gay and straight, Republican and Democrat. It's all keeping us at each other's throats when the vast majority of Americans really want the same thing, when you really get down to the brass tax of things, but the power base, they have to keep us divided. Because if we ever unite, maybe we kick out these people that, I don't know, we're frequent guests at Epstein's Island. Well, I can tell you that when Barack Obama became president of the United States, I did not vote. for him. I was not in favor

of him, not because of the color of his skin, but because of the politics that he represented. But when he became president, I embraced him as our country's president, and I cheered for his success. And I did

very, I guess, what was the word I'm looking for? I had this vision this hope that he could bring us together and that racism in this country would be dead once and for all and we were like the first you know western country

who had adopted a black person our leader and I thought what a wonderful opportunity and we can bury racism finally it's over and damned if every chance he got to bring us together if he didn't divide us and separate us and it's just for one simple reason every politician seems like when they have a chance to bring us together they push us apart because they want to appeal to their base and it is it is absolutely so destructive and i think so i i don't know evil bad i don't know the right adjective but it's just plain wrong to do that when they could be healers and And, you know, I've even said it with the deportation. I mean, I am not in favor of open borders.

And I think that people who are here illegally, and I know them, I know a lot of them. And I really like them. But they've got to go home. They're not here lawfully. And I'm sorry. But the fact is that the thing that got Trump elected, closing the borders, deporting the illegals, is the very thing that may cost us to midterms. because he's done exactly what he promised.

He's going to deport the illegals. But he found out, just like going into Iran, it's a very hard thing to do. And it's very messy. And the optics are horrible. And the people who want to deport the illegals are the very people who are critical when he does it.

And violence ensues. And you've got paid people, talk about paid people, they're paid to go out and riot. You know, whether it's in Salem, Morgan or Dallas, Texas, Atlanta, Dallas, Washington, D.C., Atlanta, the size are all the same. Because they're following Saul Olenski's playbook. 100%.

And so, but the fact of the matter is, the average person, I'm sorry to say, does not take the time to become informed. It does not really do the hard work to dig and get the facts. And so they look for symbols. And the symbol is a lady gunned down in her car in Minneapolis and a guy who's a nurse getting shot by ice. That's all they see. They don't go a step further to learn that the woman used her car as a lethal weapon and struck that officer. And so he shot her in self-defense.

They don't go a step further to realize that that guy left the demonstration, went home and got his pistol, chose to take it to the demonstration and then inserted himself in the middle of a lawful police activity while they were detaining someone. You know, there are just certain things in life you know not to do. You don't go out when there's a serious thunderstorm

and lightning is crashing down all around you. You don't stick your finger in an electric socket. You don't drive drunk. All those things you know better to do. You know not to mess with the police when they're engaged in detaining someone. So he went, he looked for trouble, he found it, I'm sorry, decision goes to the police officer.

It's a tragedy, and I hate it. But the American people don't see that. They just see that, oh, violence ensued, someone lost their life. It must be Trump's fault. I agree. And we're not cold-hearted where we don't mourn. Every death is a tragedy. We're not excited.

We're not happy that these individuals lost their lives. But there's so many nuances like you bring up. Now, man, this time has gone so fast. I think I'm going to have to have you back because I think you and I could have just such an ongoing conversation and discussing what's currently going on. Do you have politics, the concerns that we have for this country? But we've run out of time. And so I want to bring everybody back to the website at johngordon.com, The Truth.

Look, you got a lot of great episodes. here. I'm looking through them and you're covering what's important. You know, Tucker versus Maga, that's a fantastic article or subject to approach. The third attempt, you're talking about the most recent assassination that you and I were talking about off air. But as we close out, just tell the audience why they should be going here and what they can expect. Well, we talk about topics of the day and we record four out of five days a week with special guest who are intellectual opinion leaders who have insight into all the topics and we delve in we get into the weeds and the purpose is to determine and expose the truth and that's our goal every Saturday from noon to two and Sunday

from 12 to 2 and we're on the john frederick's radio network and cdm. Press we live stream across the web on Getter, Rumble, YouTube, Facebook, X, and Instagram. And you can also listen to our podcast on Apple Podcasts, IHeart Radio, and Anthony, wake up Anthony. What is it? Spotify. I thought of it. Anthony was, he's back there sleeping, I think. Anyway.

I love it. I threatened to have a Nerf gun in case. case my producer ever falls asleep back there, I could just pop, get them with one of those little dark. No, I think he was just so enthralled with the conversation that he's zoned down. I don't know. Love it. Well, hey, a wonderful show. I'm going to start watching this. I'm going to check these out and probably use them as a source because I like information. I like to look at things and say, hey, you know, I hadn't viewed it that way, but they got some great points. So I'm going to be a fan of the truth with John Gordon. Sir, it's been a pleasure having you on. Thank you for all that you're doing.

Thank you for your time here on Church and State. And I'm going to go ahead and close this out. If you hold on one more minute post-production to say it goodbye, as I'd appreciate it. But again, thank you for joining us on Church and State. I want to thank you for what you're doing, Caleb. And we need more people like you preaching the gospel in terms that everybody can understand and relating them to the topics of the day.

That's what's really important. And so thank you. Amen. Thank you so much for the compliment. All right. Well, I'm going to go ahead and close us out. Ladies and gentlemen, these are important conversations for us to have with each other. I want the rise of the independent journalist to continue.

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