The Prepper Broadcasting Network - Church and State - Welcome to the inkwell with Zaire Ink

Episode Date: September 2, 2026

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artist whose work blends raw lyricism and faith-driven perspectives. Through dense wordplay and vivid storytelling, he explores themes of trauma, hope, and resilience, encouraging listeners to walk in faith and embrace their own testimony. I absolutely love that. He's a two-time YYC Music Award recipient, and Zer, it is a absolute pleasure to have you on the show. Thanks so much for having me, Caleb. I'm grateful for this opportunity and glad to be on your platform. Yeah, I'm thrilled to have you on here. I got to tell you, I love storytelling and I love lyrics. Lyrics matter to me. When I'm listening to music and it's just people putting together a string of words because they rhyme in some way. And I'm just like, it didn't even make sense. Like you just rhyme something.

So I love somebody who can come in here and be really clever. with their words. Yeah, I appreciate that. That's definitely, you know, the focus of my artistry. My creative background began with poetry and spoken word. And so, you know, there's no, typically no instrumentation behind that, no beat. So you're just relying on your lyrics in front of an audience. You have to figure out a way to be engaging, but also provide them with something of substance

that leaves them an opportunity to reflect and think about their own story. And so that's definitely what I aim to do with my, with my, hip-hop music as well. You know, and one of the other things, you know, music obviously is such a creative outlet. And unfortunately, in the secular world, you know, let's just take rap. You know, there's a lot of bad things that are discussed in rap and hip-hop, you know, things about women and things about violence. And so I so appreciate when a Christian can come in there and say, you know, I'm going to bring a different message.

I'm going to bring a message of hope because Jesus has done so many things in my life that I want to that with my audience. Yeah, absolutely. You know, there was, for me, an incredible conviction. When I initially started my kind of creative journey, I did not know Christ. And so through writing and through, you know, my story that hopefully we'll get into today, you know, Christ just started to reveal himself to me. And there was such a strong conviction on my heart that if I'm going to do anything creative,

then it has to be sharing the message of hope that Jesus has done in my life. And so that's what I always try to lead with, especially as you mentioned in hip-hop, rap music, which, you know, has a long history of glorifying substance abuse, glorifying, you know, the degrading of women and things of that nature. But, you know, I've seen how art and music and, you know, literature and writing can be such a transformative piece and tool. And so that's always what I try to do with my music and try to inject that into a very dark and an environment that doesn't always reflect the glory of Christ. Yeah, absolutely. I would imagine that the Bible is a great place to get insight and to kind of get those creative juices flowing. Yeah, 100%. Even with this project, which is called When You Meet Yourself, I was inspired by the story of Jacob. And so the album title is coming from that place where Jacob encounters God. He wrestles with him. And God changes his name from Jacob to Israel.

And so for me, this project, when you meet yourself, was very, very much inspired by that story of how, you know, God met me and my brokenness, and he reveals our true sin nature that we have fallen away from relationship with him. But in encountering him, he starts to reveal his true plan for redemption and hope. And so, you know, it's from death to life. And that's really the inspiration that came from this project. And, you know, the Bible is filled with so much wisdom, filled with so much direction. and so that's always what I lean on when I'm creating. Well, I got to tell you, I absolutely love that. I want to talk about you. I want to get to know you. I want the audience to get to know you. You know, in your bio, you're talking about dealing with trauma and things. And so take the audience through the journey that ultimately led you to Christ.

Yeah, of course. So I grew up. I'm from Canada, living on the west side, but initially I grew up in Montreal, so on the east coast of Canada. and so I grew up in a Christian home. My dad was a pastor for 16 years, and so I grew up in and around faith, you know, would see him, you know, reading the Bible and praying. And so I had that early inspiration, that early understanding. But, you know, Christ is coming to each and every one of us.

It has to become a personal relationship with him. And I didn't have that, although I would have identified as Christian for, you know, a significant portion of my life. But at 16 years old, my family and I moved across the country to Alberta. And so that caused really just a rift in sort of my identity. I grew up around a specific group of people. I had my older brothers who decided to stay behind. And so things started to kind of just break down in my own psyche at that time. And my dad had moved to Alberta two years prior before him and my mom joined him.

And that transition was difficult for all of us. And over the course of the preceding years, my parents ended up getting separated. And that was really traumatizing for me because, you know, family had always been my place of, like, safety and security and identity. You know, I grew up around a lot of, you know, friends who came from single-parent households. And so I took a lot of pride in the fact that my family was close-knit. You know, I felt like very misunderstood in the environments that I grew up around. But I felt like I always had a place in my home.

And so when that foundation started to break down and faith left our home, I started to really struggle with substances, you know, getting involved in, you know, in lust and relationships that were honoring the Lord. And just really started to struggle with my mental health. And so over the course of those years, everything added up to a fateful night when I got into an verbal altercation with my middle brother. And I ended up jumping out of the car while he was still driving. And so, you know, I smashed my head onto the concrete and, you know, have some, have some scrapes and bruises. Thankfully, it wasn't as bad as it could have been. But that was really my rock bottom moment. And, you know, I really had to start wrestling with some existential questions like, you know, who is God?

Is he real? Can I trust him? Can I know him? Is there even a reason for me being alive? And so I subsequently went on a spiritual journey looking into different. faith traditions and different religions, and that led me down a very dark path for a season. But through that, God was just so faithful, started to, you know, raise people up just to share the gospel with me, to encourage me.

And he just started to reveal himself to me in a number of ways. And so I was then convinced that this God was so real, this God that my parents had told me about and tried their best to show me. And this started, you know, just a relationship where I would just seek him and just encounter him in miraculous ways. And so that kind of, you know, started a little bit of my journey of getting to know him and then leading me to wanting to share that with other people as well. I so appreciate you sharing that with the audience. You know, I want to ask you about the two specific things that you were dealing with, more on that hedonism and then also seeking out other

religions. I've been very open with the audience that I was, I was a bad kid. I was a rough kid growing up and certainly drugs and alcohol were a part of my life. And, you know, you find that to be so shallow. And it's just a temporary, you're seeking that pleasure and that joy, but it's just fleeting, you know, and then it's on to the next high. I got to keep going and I got to keep finding the next party to be a part of. Was that the similar experience for you? You were just like, I'm tired of just seeking pleasure? Yeah, exactly. You know, it's like you seek pleasure for a moment and then it wears off. and you're instantly feeling that urge, you know, to seek another pleasure, you know.

And so I remember it was just, you know, marijuana, alcohol, you know, partying different women, you know, it was just this constant seeking and trying to fill up that hole in every moment. It was just like there would be this great high and then just this great feeling of emptiness. And it just reached a point where I was like, I can't break free anymore.

Even if I wanted to, I don't have the strength. I don't have the power. the, I don't have the capacity to get over this anymore. And I realized I was just really stuck. And that's ultimately what led to me just jumping out of the car because I felt like there's no escape, you know, no amount of substances, no amount of, you know, lust or sex or anything of that nature is going to fulfill me. And so I, you know, had remembered kind of this childlike faith that I had when I would seek

God as a kid. And I felt that peace and that, you know, would stick with me through the years. And I just realized it's either God or nothing. Like, if there's nothing beyond me, then there's no reason for me being here. And so that really started that search for me. And as I said, and as you mentioned, like getting involved in different religions, this is the same sort of idea. We're trying to work our way to salvation.

We're trying to obtain our own level of deification. And none of that is possible. God has created us with the desire to know him not to set ourselves above him. Amen to that. Was there one specific religion out there that kind of caught your eye that maybe tempted you a little bit more than any of the others? Yeah, I would say it was kind of a little bit of a hodgepodge. You know, New Age is kind of pulling all these different things from various religions. So I would say New Age and kind of African spirituality were the two things that kind of drew my attention.

As I said, identity was, you know, a huge part. And I think that's where the enemy really tries to capture you, you know, getting you away from your identity. as a child of God, into your own deification or into, you know, praising something outside of God and giving worship to other things. And so for me, identity was finding, oh, I'm, my greatest identity was recognizing, oh, I'm a black man, and we have experienced oppression and all these different things. And so that became my identity. And, oh, maybe we need to go back to the spirituality of our ancestors. Maybe that was what is needed when we were taken, you know. And there's just a lot of confusion that comes with that, a lot of deception. And so those two things,

and then, you know, New Age spirituality, as I said, is just, you know, taking from all these different religions. And so for me, it was this idea of obtaining some sort of esoteric, gnaustic power that other people are unaware of or, you know, haven't been let in on the secret. So those are the kind of two avenues that started to travel down. Sure. And that's a lot of temptation there, right? If you think you have access to this information that nobody else does, obviously, you know, you're going to be filled with pride with that. But also, I mean, when you were talking about, you know, as a black man and kind of that history of oppression, I would imagine, I don't want to put words in your mouth, but I would imagine not only were you filled with some pride, but also a lot of anger.

Yeah, absolutely. You know, it was really difficult with that transition across the country. So just a little context. Montreal is a very multicultural place and so I grew up, you know, around, you know, Caribbean people, Caucasian people, European people, Asian people, you know, just a hodgepodge, a very mix of great diversity. And so I never leaned into my identity as a black man. You know, you're just, you know, a kid growing up around different, different community and around people from all different walks of life. And so I appreciated that. But the transition over to Alberta, and especially at the time in which I came, it was, you know, very segregated in a way, you know, there was a lot more Caucasian people, fewer people of African descent. And so I just kind of felt ostracized. And I wouldn't say that was necessarily the reason, but for various reasons I just struggled to connect. And so I started to kind of just see everything through that lens of it's because I'm black.

And, you know, maybe that was an aspect of it, but it certainly wasn't the totality of it. And again, you know, coming to Christ, you know. is recognizing my greatest identity is as a child of God. And we read in Revelation that people from all nations, all tongues, will be gathered to him. And so that's the beautiful reconciliation that God promises. And, you know, at the time, I was definitely hearing from a lot of different instrumental, you know, African black figures that were, you know, were in their own way trying their best, but were misguided as many of us are.

Yeah, absolutely. You know, obviously not from your perspective, but I mean, I grew up in San Francisco and some multicultural, like everybody, you know, and you just, you just had friends. Like, I never really looked at that. And then went into the Marine Corps and the same thing, the Marine Corps, like, they used to say, you know, there's dark green Marines and there's light green Marines, you know, like we were all Marines. It didn't matter. And so it wasn't really much until much later in my life where all of a sudden it was like, I became aware of some of the. these separations and some of these people that looked at other races, either through skepticism or hostility. And it was always just kind of strange to me, kind of foreign, and especially

as a Christian when I just, you know, that's my brother or that's my sister. Like I never really cared about that, but I'm not trying to diminish it or dismiss it because there is still some racial issues out there. Yeah, absolutely, you know, and I think what really is at the heart of it is sin, right? Wherever we see sin, we see these systems and these institutions being set up to foster that. We talked about, you know, depravity and substance abuse. We see however the devil can, he will use something to divide us, to separate us, and to darken and dim our eyes from the truth of Christ. And so that was, for me, the great joy of coming to Christ was, you know, wow, there's this community, there's this fellowship with people, you know, across color lines, people from all walks of

life, we can sit under the cross of Christ and have fellowship and have connection. And all of those things really pale in comparison to what he has done in our lives. And so that just filled me with, you know, even more motivation to break down those barriers in my own heart and wherever else they exist. Yeah, it's amazing that Christ brings everyone together, isn't it? I absolutely love it. I want to ask you about this. I'm seeing, you're definitely more of an expert than I am, but I'm seeing a,

rise in Christian hip hop. I'm seeing people that are unafraid to say, hey, I'm a Christian. You know, one of the big ones that I love listening to his music is Dax. You know, that guy, when I heard Lonely Dirt Road, I was like, I think I played that song on repeat over and over and over again, because it just hit me right in the heart. I was just like, oh, like every guy can identify with this song. But are you seeing a rise in people in Christian hip hop artists? 100%. I've been doing Christian hip-hop for a number of years now, and I remember when I first started, especially in Canada, I was telling my other friend who we worked closely with.

I'm just like, man, we feel like we're the only ones out here. Like, there's just no other community, no one else to connect with. But through the last five to seven years, it's just been incredible to see the wave, especially of young, unashamed Christian hip-hop artists just, you know, recognizing that they can use this tool and glorify. Christ. I feel like for for many years, even myself, you know, my experience has been, you know, churches haven't necessarily known how to integrate Christian hip hop and other forms of music into church. But you're just seeing such a large number of Christian hip hop artists.

And it's just, you know, even penetrating mainstream culture. You look at what Forrest Frank is doing a little bit adjacent to Christian hip hop, but he has worked with a number of those artists as well. And so, yeah, it's just incredible to see the way God has been breathing on this art form for the last few years and people just wanting to be faithful in going into these different spaces and proclaiming Christ, you know, unashamedly. And even, as I said, like mainstream platforms starting to recognize and even champion that is just phenomenal. One of the things that I really love about it is, you know, you're not afraid to go into, you know, the dark places and to talk openly. about that, you know, and I look at like Paul, for example, who wrote the bulk of the New Testament, he also wasn't afraid to dive in to some hard subjects, you know, and really get to where the common people were, not these theologians. It wasn't all just being pious and purity and all this.

It was diving into it and being like, hey, this is a real struggle. This is what I went through. And I'm going to put this to song so that maybe it'll connect with you and you can see that there is hope in Christ. Yeah. Yeah, you know, the Apostle Paul is such an inspiration in that way, right? He was striving to be all things to all men. You know, he would move in the ways of the Jews when he needed to speak to those people, move in the ways of the Gentiles to connect with them and use, you know, their literature,

used the different things that he would see around them in the context of the Gentiles to speak that. And so that's definitely for me the way I try to write is just composing. music and layers so that even people who are unfamiliar with Christianity, unfamiliar with Christ, are able to connect on those raw emotions of trauma, of hurt, of pain, and then seeing how does this God, who is above all things, inject himself and interact in those spaces? You know, there's so many times in the Old Testament where it seems as though God is absent from the pages. We see in Esther, there's no mention of Yahweh, but we see his hand.

throughout that time. And so I just love that, you know, God works in space and time. He works through people, and he is always going to get the glory. And so that's always the way I try to write. And just, again, leading with the fact that we are, we are meant to meet people where they are. But Christ brings the harvest. He brings the transformation and change. And so our job is just to be faithful and sowing those seeds and sharing the gospel message and loving on people faithfully and revealing the truth about, you know, brokenness and sin and our need for a savior. And so that's definitely the hope that I try to put into every single song and every single message. You know, I'm seeing this transition point, really with just Christian music

as a whole. Really, even Christian entertainment. For the longest time, like Christian songs, if I'm going to call a spade of spade guys, okay, they were pretty lame. Like, a lot of them are really bad. When it came to, like, Christian films and stuff, it was like, I'm watching this because I have to, okay? Like, this isn't any good. But I am. I'm seeing this massive transition point culturally where really they're putting out some really good stuff. And you're certainly a part of this. I appreciate that.

Yeah, you know, when you look back at, you know, church history, Christianity and Christians have been at the forefront of so many innovations. And so I feel like, you know, in the 20th century, 21st century, we've stepped back from a lot of that, you know, for various reasons. But to your point, you know, for Christian film and Christian music, you know, there has been that it's just, it's corny. It's not appealing to anybody else outside of, they're just listening because the message is positive, but the music is not actually good. And so I think it's great that we have come up in a time where we felt excellence is actually glorifying God. it's amazing to use and to better ourselves through the gifts that he's given us. That's how, you know, we see in the very beginning Adam is tasked with doing work.

Not all of his time is spent just praising God. It's spent cultivating the environment that he's around. And so I think there's honor that we bring to God in doing well. And so that's definitely what I want to do. That's definitely what I love to see across, you know, Christian music of people taking their craft seriously. because they are tasked with the most important message. And our job is to not just steward that well creatively, but also in our relationship with Christ

and how we live out our daily lives as well. You bring up such a fascinating point. It's so accurate. You said for the longest time Christians were at the forefront of producing excellence. And I look, as you said that, I was thinking, like classical music, which I personally love, It's absolutely beautiful.

But pretty much every single one of those composers was a man of God. Yeah. Yeah, you know, you see, you know, so often they are, whether it be, you know, math, music, like they are wanting to discover the mystery, the brilliance, the magnificence of God. And so they are, you know, recognizing the intricacies of how he has created the universe, how he has created music and art and all these things. And so it should bring us great. pleasure, and it certainly does me of like, man, how can I see how God is it working through me

creatively today? I just find that so rewarding. It excites me. It inspires me because in those moments, I really feel God at work. And so, you know, it's unfortunate that you see so often in, you know, the secular world, people producing really great high-quality music. And it's just like, wow, you're really missing it here with the message. And that is taking away the glory that we can here is rightfully belonging to God and is from him. You know, I'm going to say something that some of the audience may not like or agree with, but I don't really care. I'm controversial and I embrace it.

And also, my audience is probably getting tired of me telling them I'm a Lutheran because I bring it up all the time. But ever since I converted to Lutheranism and the good kind, I should say, I always do actually. But they do hymns. And I love hymns. And I came out of the more Pentecostal non-denominational church. And, you know, a lot of the songs were, wow, feminine. Okay, I'll just throw it out there like that. They were pretty feminine.

And now that I'm starting to get into these hymns, they're so rich and they're so scriptural. And what I'm going to say that might be controversial is when I look at somebody such as yourself who's doing hip hop and rap, like your lyrics, what you're putting in there remind me of, of hymns, to be quite honest. You know, that's high praise. I really do appreciate that. And I definitely know, I can understand where you're coming from in the sense that for me, CCM music, I don't know if I would classify it as my experience being feminine, but it feels

very eye-centered, feels very me, you know, what can God do for me? And I think that's kind of what we see in maybe, you know, mainstream, non-denominational Christianity. is just, you know, what can God give me? What can God? How does this make me feel? And I feel like those hymns, especially those classic hymns, are just that reverence. They just point us towards Christ. And, you know, to your point about my music and my project, I have this song called

Awesome God. And again, those lyrics are, our God is an awesome God. He reigns. And so just I feel, you know, I remember growing up with that as a kid and just being so inspired by again. Like, it's not about, you know, that, we can go to New Age for that. We can go to these other forms of religion for how great you are and your own elevation. But to recognize there is a God above me and he deserves all of me, I think is the most

beautiful thing. And so, yeah, I love, you know, those hymns that just remind us of that. And again, you know, we're speaking of music, are just so beautifully crafted, are so intentionally created in devotion and worship of the characterizes of God that are worthy of praise and awe. You know, I absolutely love that. And I think perhaps you were a little bit nicer than I was on that one. You're right.

It was more eye-focused. I think a lot of the Christian music is more eye-focused. And I don't love that. I like music that points, as you said, to the creator of all. I like the focus to be on him instead of more of that genie in the bottle. What can you give me God? And I really hope that Christians can come out of that using whatever tool God provides. And in your case, you know, it is hip-hop music, that you can take people out of that eye-focus,

that center, that seeker-sensitive, prosperity, gospel. kind of message and really put the focus on God that, hey, as Christians, we might suffer. We might go through some terrible things. And now, we're right up on that hard break. I want to give you a chance to talk about what I just said there. But real quick, let's plug the website here. Zaire, Inc. And it's welcome to the ink well right there, but ZaireInck.com. This is where you can listen. You can read about my guest. And actually, we're right on the hard break. but I'll have you come back as well and talk a little bit more about the website as well. This is Caleb Collier with Church and State. Are you tired of your device spying on you?

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questions here. But first and foremost, let's talk about the website a little bit here. Because, Zaire, I like what you got here, but I want people to go here. I want people to start listening to your music. I appreciate that. Yeah, so you can get all the information from me on Zaire Inc.com. Has some great, you know, recent interviews I've done, some great stories about, you know, kind of what I'm chatting with Caleb about today, a little bit uncovering my story, you know, where I come from, you got my music. You can also shop, you can buy a custom USB copy of my project, my latest project when you

meet yourself. It's rolling out on streaming platforms, but it's not officially out all the way just yet. And so you can still get the full album today. It also comes with a lyric booklet where you can read through all the lyrics, get a fresh perspective of what I've been through and, you know, kind of the message behind the lyrics, the stories that we're unpacking here today. And then you can keep up to date with me on Spotify, Apple, Instagram, Facebook, all of the good social media platforms where I am putting out some content behind the scenes of what I've been working on as well. I absolutely love that. And I'll probably come back to the website here in a little bit. But I also hit you with that, you know, that prosperity gospel, that Seekersensitive, which it has invaded the

church. I am not a fan at all of it. But I'd love to hear your perspective. But once again, I don't want to put words in your mouth. Yeah, no, likewise. You know, the Bible and Jude talks about us earnestly contending for the faith once delivered to the saints. And we see that the prosperity gospel is a shallow version of that. It's not the totality of the faith. And I feel like early, you know, very early on in my Christian walk, in many ways, I was a victim to that, you know, believing that we can, you know, name it and claim it. And, you know, you always get your, your healing. God always wants to bless and bring you all these things, ignoring the fact that we will suffer as Christ suffered. We will go through different challenges.

throughout our time here because this is not the fullness of what God has promised us. And so on my project, when you meet yourself, I go through this chapter called sanctification. And so there's three songs which really wrestle through. Why do these difficult things happen to us on this side of eternity? What does that look like? And we start to understand as the Bible says that it is God creating. We see it as an opportunity for him to, one, bring us closer to being conformed to the image of his son. and for us to bring about the fruit of the spirit, those characteristics that make us more fruitful, more usable to God.

You know, we see Paul wanting to suffer, wanting to embrace the persecution that he was going through because he knew that it would be for the glory of bringing people to saving faith in Christ. And so, yeah, you know, definitely the prosperity gospel and seeker-sensitive movement have unfortunately, you know, ravage a large swath of Christendom, but I think it's so important that we who are, you know, watch men, watch women on the wall, again, content earnestly for that faith once delivered to the saints. And that includes the fact that we will suffer on this side of eternity. And God promises that he will be with us. He will carry us through all those pains. And we have this great reward at the end of that where we will all be gathered with him for eternity.

I absolutely love what you just said there. And, you know, if Christianity was that genie in the bottle, the whole world would recognize it. If all it took was for us to become a Christian and all of a sudden, our life is perfect, you know, Napoleon Dynamite, or not Napoleon Dynamite, what's the wrestler one? Nacho Libre. Like, my life is good, you know? Like, no, like everybody would just automatically gravitate towards that because, hey, these Christians have got it figured out. No, that's not the truth. The truth is we're still going to go through the same things that the rest of the world is.

We just have that eternal hope. Exactly. You know, that's the beautiful thing. There's a song on my project called Psalm 73, and it's based on the biblical Psalm of the same name inspired by that. And I just love that Psalm so very much as ministered to me greatly over the years because the writer ASAF is wrestling with these questions. Why do bad things happen to good people and good things happen to bad people? And he is recognizing that it seems like the wicked are prospering, like they are lifted up and they are doing well and they're able to enact all this evil. And then at the latter half of the Psalm, he says he was like a beast until he entered into the presence of God.

And he started to understand God's great plan is to stretched out over time and space and eternity how God is actually going to administer justice and that it's through our faithful obedience through suffering that we are bearing fruit for the first. the kingdom of God. And so that was a switch I needed to make in my mind as I started to go through my Christian walk where I'm like, things aren't perfect. My life hasn't changed greatly. In fact, in some ways, it's gotten worse. But through that all, I'm experiencing the presence of God with me. And that's worth more than anything else I could have. The Bible also says in Hebrews recounting Moses, He forewent the passing pleasures of sin to embrace the struggles of the Israelites. And certainly that's a model for us as New Testament believers. Amen, once again.

You know, I kind of want to do something. I wasn't planning on doing it, but I kind of want to play one of the songs for the audience. Would you mind if we did something like that? Yeah, that'd be amazing, of course. Okay, Chris, if you go to the website again and you go to listen, and you brought up Psalm 73, it's track one for this new album, Yeah. You think, okay, let's, let's, Chris, if you do that, let's just go ahead and play that.

What would you know about losing your baby Before it's been born Nobody to bury But still got a moor As mad as I was I could have sworn Like God if you love me Why give me a thorn

I just don't get out with it I mean I didn't want to play the whole song Because I wanted to do the interview But man that's solid Like I mean Coming from a white guy right Like you flow

Your flow is really good Appreciate that Thank you so much Yeah now I can see the audience Likeing that Yeah I appreciate that Yeah you know That was obviously the first song

off of the project, but it was written a little later on through the creation of the project. And, you know, my family and I had just went through a really devastating loss. And so I had taken some time off from writing. And that was, you know, the first song I came, you know, created as I was coming back to it. And it just put me back in that space, that frame of mind early on when I was just wondering where God was. And of course, on the other side of having faith, being reminded that we will go through suffering, we will go through loss. But God promises that the consolation at the end of the ages,

there will be that, there will be that hope and that restoration. And so just being strengthened by that, it was something I wanted to provide the audience as a foretase for what's to come in the rest of the project. You know, and going back to what I said about hymns and doing that comparison, if you look in the hymnals, you're going to see that every line has a scripture verse next to it. and I just open up a hymn book. And right here, as kind of evidence right here, is Psalm 73. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you know, I love exactly.

Everything should be tied back to scripture. And so throughout this project, there are so many references, allusions to passages of scripture. So it's almost like you can know exactly where I was reading, where I was inspired as you go through the project. There are those tiebacks. And so, you know, of course, we see, you know, in the Bible itself, so many cross references.

We see that throughout the New Testament, how often they are hearkening back to it. And they're not always letting you know directly, but through the imagery, through the language, through the wording, we're able to connect those tiebacks. And so that's definitely an inspiration for me as well. And one of the other things that I just, I feel compelled to address here is there's an edginess to hip hop, right? That you're not losing. Like for myself, I played in a punk rock band. There's an edginess to punk rock as well. that even when you get and you're doing Christian punk rock or in your case Christian hip hop,

you're not losing that edginess. And the Bible's edgy. So maybe that's why for me, like I just, I like this kind of stuff, right? It appeals to me because it hasn't lost the edginess. Yeah. Yeah, that's a great point. You know, I'll often play hip-hop music for a little. We'll play this game.

It's like, is this Christian or non-Christian? And she'll just know about it, kind of the tone and, you know, that lack of edginess is like, this is Christian. And so I it's to your point like man the Bible like these these guys are tough these people are tough They had to be in that time but also like they're really up against armies they're up against you know darkness and the kingdom of darkness and so how much more edgy how much more You know resolute should we be in our delivery and that was something you know I had to kind of understand as well like we we we lead with love of course but love comes with conviction. Love comes with the toughness as well. And so that's something I

always strive to maintain in my music as well, because as I said, there will be great difficulties, but God is making us, you know, battle tested and hungry and ready to go against the opposition that comes from the kingdom of darkness. I got to tell you, there's nothing more controversial, more edgy than preaching the truth, right? Jesus said that the world, hated him, so it's going to hate us. So when you're out there and you're producing Christian hip hop and you're going against, you know, the culture of degrading women and drugs and alcohol and violence, like, yeah, your stuff's going to be edgier. And I think people are going to want to listen to it. Yeah. Yeah, no, I appreciate that. You know, it's always, you know, every time I step

on stage, it is just a reminder of that. Like, the music is going to be so countercultural. And that comes with the weight that comes with the heaviness. But again, we lean not. our own strength and power, but on the move of the Holy Spirit at work in us. And so, yeah, it's just amazing to experience that. And there's a strong sense of that opposition for me. Every time I'm, you know, performing or sharing my testimony, you know, recognizing there's not a, this is not necessarily environment that is wanting to hear the name of Christ. And other people will come right before you, right after you, and try to demean and diminish his glory. And so we have to be firm. We have to stand strong in that messaging for sure. Amen to that. Well, I told you

that my son plays hockey and we're right up on the border of Canada. So I'm going up there. We're doing games and stuff. I got to come see you perform. But for the rest of the audience, you're doing any tour dates or anything like that? Yeah, no tour dates on the books just yet. I am trying to put that together for 2027. So again, you can find everything on my website, any any updated tours will be there and so hopefully hopefully uh 2027 will be a small tour of Alberta uh that I'm planning on putting together well once again Albert is not that far from me so um I'm gonna I'm gonna have to check that out I'll let you know if I'm in the audience you know it'd be be awesome to see you I think my kids would absolutely be thrilled to meet you and to listen to your

music I'm going to bring up your website one more time we're we're fast approaching the end of the show. But the audience, I want you guys to go here. Take it away. Tell people why they should go here and just promote yourself. Absolutely. Yeah. So once again, you can get all my information on my website, Zaire Inc.com. Welcome to the Inc. Well is where we dive deep into my story, but also great music that is faithful, that is wholesome, that is designed to not only share my story, but also help you start to wrestle with your own and go back to those existential questions if you're wondering where you can find hope, where you can find answers to your questions, I definitely hope to be able to contribute to leading you in that direction. And so you can get all of the kind of

backstory for me. There's links to my streaming services that I'm on YouTube. All of that good stuff is there. And you can also connect with me directly on my website. You can shoot me a message. I'd love to hear from you and connect with you further if you need any help or just want to get to know me. I'm available for that as well. I just got to point out as well, you know, welcome to the ink well. And here you are, your pen, you're dipping it into the well that never runs dry. Was that intentional? Absolutely, 100%.

You know, that is where everything flows from for me. You know, God is inexhaustible. and so I never have to worry about writers block or not having another story to tell because he has, you know, given us his word and invited us to share our own testimonies of what he's done in our lives. And so definitely, welcome to the inkwell is a once again, harkening back to what God has done in my life. Well, I absolutely love that. And you can see the evidence of your faith just throughout the whole website and just in this interview as well. I got to tell you, it's been a real pleasure. You got a new fan right here. I'm going to go home. I'm going to show my kids, and we're going to be rocking out to it. I'm going to go ahead and close us out if you hold on one more minute post-production to say our goodbyes. I'd appreciate it. But thank you so much for joining us on Church and State. Absolutely. Thank you for having me, Kelly. It's been a pleasure. Oh, yeah, real pleasure on my end as well. Well, ladies and gentlemen, there you go. I want you to go check this guy out. He's got incredible songs. You heard one of them or a part of one of them on this interview. But go show the this guy some love. I'm telling you, these are some solid songs, some solid storytelling. So Zaire Inc.com. Go check it out for us. Church of State is brought to you in part by

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