The Prepper Broadcasting Network - Church & State - Clotastrophe with Major Tom Haviland

Episode Date: October 24, 2026

Retired U.S. Air Force Major Tom Haviland has conducted the Worldwide Embalmer Blood Clot Survey since 2022 to document the emergence of unusual white fibrous clots in human corpses, which embalmers report first appearing after the 2021 rollout of COVID-19 vaccines. https://laurakasner.substack.comChurch and State is brought to you by,  YOU!  Visit us at: https://churchandstate.media where you can support us by donating directly and find links to shop with our affiliates.Get our merch at https://standupnowapparel.com/partner-church-and-state/   Support Church and State today by shopping at www.MyPillow.com using our coupon code: “CHURCHANDSTATE”.Our links are on link tree: https://linktr.ee/churchandstate                    Subscribe to our Locals Community (churchandstate1.locals.com)   Follow us on Rumble (@ChurchandState1776) https://rumble.com/user/ChurchandState1776    X(twitter) (@1churchandstate) https://x.com/1churchandstatefacebook (churchandstate1776) https://www.facebook.com/ChurchandState1776   SubStack (churchandstate.substack.com) https://churchandstate.substack.com/     *Help fund our fight against tyranny: Buy from our affiliates and tell them Church and State sent you. *Tune in on NRBTV Tue-Fri 1:30 PM Pacific! Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/prepper-broadcasting-network--3295097/support.Head to https://bepreparedsolutions.co/go/pbn, or use code PBN20 when you sign up to get 20% off their incredible preparedness tools, custom plans, and LOCAL INTELLIGENCE. STOP THE ADS! Become a PBN Supporter for just $5 a month and get exclusive podcasts just for supporters. BECOME A SUPPORTER The Prepper's Medical Handbook Build Your Medical Cache – Welcome PBN FamilyJoin the Prepper Broadcasting Network for expert insights on #Survival, #Prepping, #SelfReliance, #OffGridLiving, #Homesteading, #SelfSufficiency, #Permaculture, #OffGrid solutions, and #SHTF preparedness. With diverse hosts and shows, get practical tips to thrive independently – subscribe now!Newsletter – Welcome PBN FamilyGet Your Free Copy of 50 MUST READ BOOKS TO SURVIVE DOOMSDAY

Valley could become a sanctuary city of a different kind. The councilman Caleb Collier says that this proposal is a city of Spokane Valley issue of Proclamation stating that our city is a Second Amendment sanctuary. Today on the Caleb Collier show, Clotastrophe with Major Tom Havilland. Hello Christian Patriots and welcome to the Caleb Collier show of Church and State Media, where we drive morality and religion over tolerance and apathy. And I'm your host, Caleb Collier, once again, your favorite far-right shock jock. And the show that talks about politics and religion, Jesus Christ is our reference.

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He's had a long service record with the United States Air Force. I've been in, I think, about 35 years there. But I'm bringing to you Major Tom, Hall of Havilland, sorry. And I just, I got to do this. Major Tom, this is ground control. Can you hear me, Major Tom? I can hear you ground control. I love the David Bowie song as well.

Here, by the way, Caleb, this is what we're going to be talking about today. These are these very unusual white fibrous clots that embalmers with 20 or 30 years of experience, Caleb, had never seen before in their corpses prior to the years of COVID and the COVID vaccines. Prior to 2020, they had seen what's called grape jelly clots. They looked just like dark grape jelly dissolves easily in your hands. They'd also seen another type of clot called chicken fat clots, which are small, yellowish in color, and tear very easily. Much, much, much, different than these huge white fibrous clots that are tough rubbery that the embalmers describing of what looks like calamari and they actually stretch like a rubber band and stretch back into place again and as you said at the opening they're also being seen by vascular surgeons and endovascular specialists in living people as well so this is a serious problem that just cropped up in the last you know five six years since the appearance of COVID and the COVID vaccines. You know, Major Tom, that looks like an alien entity to me. And while I so fundamentally oppose what occurred during 2020 and the years, you know, coming after that, this enforcement to get vaccinated and wear the masks and all that garbage that we all remember, I'm at least, I don't want to say glad, but I'm a little bit happy that there's something.

that is so dramatic, so evil-looking, that we can show, and please bring that, bring that up again, that we can show people, because this is something that should terrify every single human being. This particular clot was, it's about five and a half inches long, about half an inch wide. It was taken out of the abdominal aorta. It's one of the largest blood vessels in the body. It's taken out by a device called a trocar that an embalmer used. Not only when they embalm a body, do they take out the blood, drain the blood out? and put formaldehyde in the veins and arteries.

They also then use this trocar device to clear any gases and liquids out of the abdomen. You don't want the corpse to look bloated before reviewing, you know, before the family of the loved ones of the deceased, take a look at the body in the casket. So this, by the way, started from me, Caleb, was in retirement as an air, like I said, did 36 years in and with the U.S. Air Force, 20 years in uniform, retired at the rank of major, and 16 years as a defense contractor. And in 2022, November of that year,

I watched that movie, died suddenly. It's about an hour-long documentary. People could still find it on Rumble. About half the film is devoted to these six or seven in Bulvers and said they were seeing these unusual white-fiberish clots in their corpses. So I watched the movie that I premiered. I got up the next morning and I said, you know, I don't think any reporters are going to chase after this story.

So I myself, I called the Ohio and Ballers Association because they were mentioned in the film. And I asked there then, Vice President, Mr. Woody Wilson, have you been seeing these white fiber's clots in your corpses? And he says, Tom, I have been seeing them in my corpses. So then that was a wow moment for me, right? I then had a well-respected vice president

who then became the president of the Ohio Embalmers Association, corroborating these six or seven embalmers in this died suddenly movie. So I knew it wasn't a hoax. So I decided it right there and then to work with my assistant, Ms. Lori Kassner from Northeastern Ohio, who just happens to be an expert in survey, monkey to conduct survey monkey surveys over the last four years of embalmers in the United States, Canada, the UK, and Australia and New Zealand to see just how prevalent these clots were,

and also the timing of them when they first started seeing them, because Caleb, I had a sneaking suspicion that our FDA and CDC would not be looking into this problem. And that's exactly what they, you know, they did not. So it's a good thing that we did these surveys, because it's been the only documentation over the last four years of this phenomenon. In fact, we got recently published in a peer-reviewed journal, the International Journal of Innovative Research and Medical Science in July of this year published the results of my four years of my worldwide survey, and the results basically are shocking. Embalmers in all of countries are seeing the white fibers clause, the ones that I mentioned. Also, it's the majority of them involver seeing these

plots. The 808 embalmers that have taken the survey over the last four years, 608 of them, Caleb, 75% say they are indeed seeing these white fibers cloths. Wow. And they're seeing them in a shocking 23% of their corpses on average. This is not a rare phenomenon. These things are about one out of every four of the dead. And then the other thing is, is most of the embalmers said they started seeing the phenomenon in 2021 after the COVID vaccines rolled out. There were a few that said they saw it in 2020, which is interesting, right? That's the year that we had COVID, but no vaccines yet. But as we know, there is a spike protein on the surface of the the COVID virus. And we believe the spike protein is what's causing this phenomenon. Of course,

then the mRNA vaccines produce tons more of that spike protein in the bloodstream. And it was only supposed to produce it for a couple days to a week. And then that was supposed to leave your body, that MRNA. But we're finding out now that that MRNA is persisting in a lot of people and can be in their years after their last injection, possibly indefinitely, and may turn their whole body into what's called a spike protein factory. In fact, a couple of minutes before I came on this interview with you, I got a email from Dr. Mary Talley Bowden from Houston. And Mary sent me a couple of charts from a couple of individuals that have gone over to Japan to have a treatment done that removes microcloths from their blood that are being caused by the spike

protein, either from the virus of the vaccine. And it's an expensive process. It's like $30,000 to travel to Japan, to go to the hospital for a couple of weeks to get four or five iterations of this, what's called dual filtration plasma phoresis to remove the, it's basically, it takes the blood out of the body, puts it through filters, removes the microclots, spike protein, and puts the fresh blood back in the body. Unfortunately, several of those patients that had that treatment done, have now, they now have new spike protein and new microclots in their body. So basically, even though the blood was taken out and cleaned, if the MRI persist and continues to produce spiked protein turns your body into a spike protein factory, the problem could come right back again.

So this is a disastrous thing that's going on, right? So scientists all over the world are looking at this information, trying to get it out, but it's been difficult because the mainstream was to suppress the information. They want to say that the vaccines are safe and effective, and they don't like anything that runs counter to that. No, you're absolutely right. And we've interviewed Mary a number of times. She's a wonderful woman, an absolute warrior in this fight. Let me ask you this. You've done these surveys with all these embalmers

and they're finding these clots. Have you been able to trace it beyond just the embalming and the corpse? Have you been able to confirm whether or not these individuals had the COVID vaccine? You know, the embalmers usually do not have access to that.

There are some, now there are some embalmers that are also funeral directors. So they can meet with the families. And the ones that do, when they ask the families, hey, when they find the clots, a lot of times they'll ask the family, did your loved one take the COVID-19 vaccine? The answer always comes back, yes. So that's, and I know that's anecdotal. But one of the things I did try to do, Caleb, both in 2024 and 2025, was run a cath lab worker blood clot survey with endovascular specialists and cardiologists in the United States, Canada, UK, and Australia, New Zealand. I sent the,

email a similar survey to the one I do for the embalmers to these vasculars, about 120 vascular surgeons across the United States and these societies in these countries. Zero of the doctors wanted to take the survey. None of them wanted to take it. Yeah, I got a reply from the Society for Vascular Surgery here in the U.S. They're headquartered in Rosemont, Illinois, and they brag on their website to have over 6,300 vascular surgeon members across the United States. None of them wanted take the survey. And I think I know why, you know, a lot of these doctors, they took the vaccines themselves. They probably pushed it on their patients and friends. And it's a shame, too, right? Because unlike the embalvers, these doctors do have access to the COVID vaccination records of all their

patients. They can tell you how many shots they took, when they took their shot, what brand they took. So they could have told us when they're finding the white fibrous cloths in these and living people, whether that was, you know, the person had been taken the COVID-19 vaccine or not. In fact, I recently, on October the 1st, I went on a video call with Senator Ron Johnson's office. Ron himself was not at the meeting, but his health legislative assistant, Mr. Ryan Orr, was there. And I ran this meeting and brought with me a vascular surgeon from the state of Louisiana. His name is Dr. Joseph Griffin. And he just happens to be the husband of the state of Louisiana's Surgeon General, Dr. Evelyn Griffin.

They're a husband and wife doctor team. and Joe said during this call that we had with Mr. Ryan Orr from Senator Johnson's office that he has definitely seen the white fibers clots in living people. He mentioned that he's especially seen a lot more what's called arterial cloths. Clots can occur on both the venous side and the arterial side. Prior to COVID, almost 95% of the clots were on the venous side. Deep vein thrombosis is a very common one. And you have to be careful, those can move up into the lung area and become what's called a pulmonary embolism.

It could be very dangerous. In fact, that's what quarterback Jalen Hertz has right now, right? He had a clot that started in his leg, and then it moved up into his chest, and now he's not able to play NFL football for a while until he has that resolved. But Dr. Griffin said he's also seeing a tremendous increase in clots on the arterial side. He said he went back and he checked the years prior to the pandemic, and he only had about 12 to 15 arterial clot procedures that he was performing per year in the years like 2015 through 2019. That is now up to around 65 procedures per year of arterial clots ever since COVID and the jabs

rolled out. So it's been a tremendous increase. And like I said, it's corroborated with the embalmers. Like I said, they're seeing the clots and, you know, the white fibers clots and 23% of their corpses as well. And in addition to that, there's another. phenomenon that both the embalmers and Dr. Griffin are seeing in both the dead and the living, and that's called microclotting. Those are clots that occur in your microvascular, they're very

small capillaries. For example, you know, microclotid is occurring in the capillaries of the lungs, and it's blocking the exchange of oxygen at the lungs, and then they carrying that oxygen to all the major organs of your body, including your brain, your eyes. That's why a lot of people we think are experiencing brain fog or poor vision problems that probably have microclotting going on inside their head. Dr. Griffin mentioned during that video call we had with Senator Johnson's office a couple weeks ago. He's also seen a lot of patients having problems getting good oxygen down to their toes and their extremities because there's very small microvascular, you know, at the very end of your extremities. So it's all coming around. It's being seen in the real world. The embalbers

are seeing it on their embalming tables. They're seeing 20, 30, 40-year-olds wind up on their revolving tables. Dr. Riffin seen 20, 30, 40-year-olds coming in with blood clotting issues like nothing he's ever seen before, you know? And one of the first questions he asked him is, did you take the COVID-19? And the patient usually reacts like things. He said, man, I knew that's what it was, you know, but he's been getting gas lit by other doctors that told him it was anything but the vaccine. That's what's going on out there. Yeah, I mean, this is why I tell people to listen to your heart, you know, listen to the Holy Spirit, because he's going to, inform you, he's going to tell you, you know, to be careful, to be skeptical. And we used to have

that skepticism when it came to medicine. We used to be our own advocates. And now we come to a position where we've been so gaslit that we just accept anything that our doctor tells us, you know, take this medication. Well, are there any side effects? Eh, maybe, you know, like, I want to know about those before I'm going to start taking a medication. I want to know about that before I take, and it's not even fair to say an experimental vaccine because it's not even really a vaccine. But I want to know about these things. You know, I get a little upset when the insert is completely blank on the COVID-19 vaccine. That gets me pondering things, gets me questioning things. But Major Tom, like, what does it take to wake people up? The reason I asked you the

question in the beginning was because I knew what the skeptics were going to say. You know, that's not causation. We don't know for sure. But, I mean, we never experienced these white, fibrous clots any time in history. until this MRNA experiment was propagated on all the people all around the world. And I just want to grab my microphone and just shake people half the time. Like, what's it going to take to wake you up? Yeah, you're absolutely right, Caleb. And fortunately, Richard Herschman, who I've been in touch with,

he's one of the main embalmers in the Died Sunday film. In fact, the very first American embalmer to really speak out loudly about the white fiberous plots. He and a UK funeral director named Mr. John O'Luny were the first two that really started talking about this phenomenon. And Richard showed, he's not, by the way, like, over 250 photos on his phone of white fibers clots out of over 250 different people, Caleb. So, you know, he embalms hundreds of bodies per year. He's a what's called a trade embalmer. Richard actually contracts with about six funeral homes in the area that he lives in in Lower Alabama. So he does hundreds of bodies per year.

He's currently seeing the white fibers clots in about 40% of his corpses. But what he's done is he sent samples of those to scientists and labs all over the world. And one of the teams we're working with is led by Mr. Greg Harrison from Sydney, Australia. And we've been working with laboratories all over the world to do a whole battery of tests on the clots. There's been what's called ICPMS analysis induct inductively coupled plasma mass spectrometry. Basically, it's a test that tells you what elements from the periodic table are in the clots. And they deduced very early on that the clots have very low amounts, interestingly, of normal blood markers such as potassium, magnesium, and iron. You know, iron, for example, is what gives blood its red color.

And as you see, these clots are more whitish in color, so there's not as much, you know, iron in them. Conversely, they have found a lot of phosphorus and sulfur in the clots, which is, is not normal in normal blood. So they could start to understand right away that this is not normal blood coagulating. This is a different phenomenon. Something's happening here. So they did another test called high performance liquid

chromatography and it tells you what compounds are in the clots. And they found that the largest percentage of clot is a natural protein produced by the liver called fibrinogen. It's a blood clotting protein that's used in the normal blood clotting process. Whenever we have a normal blood, see a cut on your arm, for example, a clock, you need to have that form of the side of the wound so you don't bleed to death. What happens is the fibrogen, which is in a liquid form in our blood plasma, it converts into

a white solid. And at the microscopic level, it looks like nice cooked spaghetti noodles, nice and smooth. They form like a net, and they collect your red blood cells in your platelets, and they form a clot at that side of the wound so you don't bleed out. And then when the wound is healed, then you need to get rid of that clot, right? We have another enzyme in our bodies made in our bodies called Plasman, P-L-A-S-M-I-N, comes down and attaches to that clot and then breaks it down, and you're good to go again. But what's happening here is the fibrinogen, instead of forming those nice smooth spaghetti noodles,

it's binding with the spike protein, either from the virus or the vaccine. Both of them can do it. In fact, there's papers out there that actually show microscopically what's going on, and it becomes a whole misfolded, twisted mess. It's called an amyloid amyloid amyloid protein, which is basically a fancy term for just a misshaped or misfolded protein. It then becomes almost impossible for our natural enzymes to break down. So then these clots tend to grow and persist,

and they start out of a small microcloths, and then they eventually aggregate into these gigantic macroclots, these white fibrous clots. So we know what's what's going on. We have the proof, but yet the FDA, the CDC want to turn a blind eye to it all, and they don't want to talk about it. Even though they know that procedures are up, Nicholas Halcher, who I in contact with a lot, Nick works for Dr. Peter McCalla and the McCalla Foundation. Nick's an epidemiologist.

I brought him on the call a few weeks ago with Senator Johnson's office as well. And Nick showed data showing that there's been about a 22% increase in, thrombotic procedures over the last five years in hospitals. So the hospitals are, yeah, they're removing a lot more clots than they used to prior to the pandemic. So the vascular surgeons, like I said, they know what's up. They're talking about it. And they know these clots are unusual, but they talk about it privately, but they don't want to talk about it in public. They've seen what happens when people talk about it in public. These doctors, they go after their licenses, their board certifications. You know, they may be paying off, you know, years of medical school. They

can't afford to lose their license and, you know, lose their job. Yeah, I mean, the whole, the whole situation truly disgust me. It frustrates me. I so appreciate brave individuals such as yourself that I just want to pursue the truth and they want to help people out. The truth of the matter is, Major Thomas, we were a gigantic science experiment, you know, and we can get into the weeds on, you know, was it population control, where they just rolling out something. They wanted to make a lot of money on. I mean, there's different views on why they did this to us. But regardless, it was a gigantic science experiment. They had a virus that didn't escape and didn't go into a wet market with a bat. I'm sorry, I do not believe that garbage at all. They had that

virus and they rolled out the vaccine. And now people, even such as myself who didn't get the vaccine, who refused to get that thing, I still could be subjected to a clot because they released this virus upon us? Absolutely correct. In fact, I've been in touch with a German scientist whose name is Jokam Gerlach. And he's been, he's very concerned about just what you talked about, Caleb. You know, in the early days, when the vaccine was first rolled out, the vaccine, I think, was the main culprit of the formation, a lot of the clots and other side effects. But as we get further and further away, you know, because thankfully, most people have stopped

taking the COVID jabs. They realize that the dangers of the jabs. I'll say, hey, I've taken two or three jabs. I'm still catching COVID anyways. I'm not going to take any more of these things. So, you know, only about 10 to 15 percent, I think, of the population now in America has taken the COVID-19 vaccines. And that's a good thing because they can still cause damage, the versions that are out there. But we still have to worry about even these supposedly milder forms of omicron that are out there and the actual virus itself. Because Gerlox, he's developed a new spike protein test kit that test directly for spike protein. Now, there's currently in the U.S., there's kits out there by Quest and Lab Corp that can test for antibodies to the spike protein. So you can get indirectly check your spike protein levels.

This is a better way of doing it testing directly for it. And he actually recently tested the German population and found that 66% of the general population that he tested currently has circulating spike in their blood right now. So that part of the call on today with him that he led with Ryan Orr from Senator John. Johnson's office. We're advocating that for the U.S. military to do some testing, not maybe the whole force, but start off with at least several thousand, you know, airmen, sailors, soldiers, and have them tested for their spike protein positivity levels to see just how bad it is. Because I suspect it's probably pretty bad in our U.S. military because, you know, about 95% of the over 2 million active duty guard.

and Reserve forces that here in the U.S. did take the COVID-19 vaccine. As opposed to, you know that China and Russia, they didn't take the MRA vaccine. Did you know that? Yeah, they didn't give their forces the MRA and A vaccines. I wonder why. Yeah, I wonder why. Yeah, maybe because. I mean, regardless of the situation, maybe giving your military, your fighting force

and experimental vaccine all at one time, maybe for national security, you know, maybe that wasn't such a good idea. I think that's probably the road that China and Russia were on when they decided not to do this. But, yeah, I mean, you were in the Air Force. I was in the Marine Corps. I mean, we were pincushions, you know. I'm sure you probably got the experimental anthrax vaccination. I know I did, you know, and then they stopped giving it to it because it was hurting people.

But, yeah, these poor people who volunteered to serve their country, defend freedom, and then they're just experimented on. And if they weren't, and many of them had spent years in the military, I mean, they're discharged, that follows them around. I know there's a whole process they're trying to get those people reinstated. But it's an absolute shame what they did to our military with experimenting on them with the vaccine. You're absolutely right. In fact, I recently gave a speech about a new film that the Children's Health Defense put out called duty to disobey. Yes. I actually got a cameo in that.

I got about like a one second cameo in there where I'm showing the cloths. But our men and women were mistreated. They were pulled, and like you said earlier, they were told, hey, do not do your own research. Since when can't you do your own research on, you know, something you might think is a dangerous, experimental, new technology. But the commanders, I was so disappointed, Caleb, in the way that our generals, admirals, and our colonels, you know, the 06 level and above especially, they just went right along with the tyranny. They didn't push back at all on these unlawful mandates. I was so glad to see Secretary of War Pete Hex have come out and finally say, yeah, that was an illegal order they gave you back in 2021 when they told you to take an experimental vaccine. So it's good that he did that.

But, you know, I think in the force of two million, I think 9,000 got kicked out. About another 100,000 were able to have dodged taken the vaccine because they either used religious exemptions or medical exemptions to kind of wait things out until they, finally reversed their decision. But, you know, about 1.9, about 95% of the force active duty reserve and guard did wind up taking this shot. They didn't push back. So I'm, so we're suggesting that that, like I said, that population, you know, be looked at and have this spike protein testing be done on them. And then there's some good treatments that are being developed out there that can be used if and when you find high spike rates in the force. because this thing can be it can be subtle like i said you know jalen hurts probably took his jabs four or five years

ago and only now is developing blood clots so people could be ticking time bombs not realizing that they're in danger you know until until something suddenly hits yeah absolutely i have a theory i've floated on the show before uh and i'm going to throw it at you uh there's all these these rise of these marvel movies you know with the superheroes. And for a lot of these superheroes, they went through a government experiment where they were shot up with some unknown substance, and then they developed these superpowers. And I'm looking at the prevalence of all these superhero movies, and then the amount of vaccines, and not just the COVID-19 vaccine, but a lot of other ones, that they constantly

are throwing at people. And I'm seeing some propaganda there of, hey, maybe take this, maybe you'll get some superpowers. No, you know what happens when you take experimental procedures from the government? You get cancer, you die. That's typically what happens there. You know, I agree with you. You know, Lloyd Austin, who is the secretary of defense at the time.

The shots were mandated by Joe Biden. Oh, and let me pause you real quick, Major Tom. I apologize, but we just looked at the clock. We're at that hard break. So we're going to come back. We're going to finish this conversation. Hey, this is Caleb Collier with Church and State, and I want to tell you about methylene blue.

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These are the kind of shows that I absolutely love. So please hit the donate. All right. With that, let's go back to our guest, Major Tom. And I'd ask you a question. You were about to answer it. But I was talking about the propaganda with the Marvel superheroes and maybe experimental vaccines or procedures. And I cut you right off. So please go ahead, sir. No, you're absolutely right, Kayla. I was going to mention Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin, who was under Biden at the time. I thought he was very cavalier in his decision to make the troops. take an experimental vaccine with using this new technology, not just the MRNA, the modified RNA, but also using this lipin nanoparticle technology to use to deliver it to the cells also new. So it was just very cavalier of them to do so. And, you know, I'm glad you mentioned just a minute ago, and you're basically in that commercial

that we have to be careful about what's happening. what's, you know, because even the Make American Healthy Again movement that, you know, that started basically because of our dissatisfaction with the COVID-19 vaccines, the fact that Big Pharma has a stranglehold on, you know, advertising, you know, their U.S. is only one of two countries in the world that average, has allowed to advertise on television, pharmaceuticals, right? New Zealand's the other. All the other countries recognize that's a conflict of interest, right? Because news, how can newscasters and news shows investigate Big Pharma, when Big Pharma is paying their salaries, you know, through, through television spots.

So, but that's a big deal. And one of the indications that the Maha movement has been somewhat taken over is, I mentioned Dr. Mary Talley Bowden earlier. She wrote a letter, an open letter to RFK Jr. and President Trump about a month or so ago, you know, making some, basically some demands that, hey, we need to start focusing on getting the COVID vaccines off the shelves, helping out those that have been injured. ending what's called the Prep Act, you know, the allows these big pharma companies to have

immunity from liability. If there are any other drugs, if their drugs harm people, then they have to pay that, you know, the person who's been injured, but not in the case of the COVID vaccines, not in the case of any of these MRNA vaccines. So, and one of the things that happened just several weeks ago is the Maha summit. It was in Washington, D.C.

It was the second annual Humah summit. But instead of people representing the vaccine injured there and talking about the problems with the COVID shots and the vaccine injured and all those things, instead there were corporations there. Yeah. There was, you know, big insurance companies like United Health. They were talking about things from the insurance company perspective, not from the doctor or patient perspective.

was there talking about basically how they could have a better, more healthy food supply. Well, you know, have they checked their cereal aisle lately? You know, and also there were AI companies there like anthropic and open AI that were talking about, you know, things like eventually putting chips beneath your skin or having wearables that, you know, so they can surveil every human, you know, and tell you what your, what your health status is. I don't think I want that on me. Do you, Caleb?

I know I don't want that on me. And I don't think it's a mistake that I'm wearing my Soylent Green shirt right here. You were talking about the cereal aisle. Yeah, I want nothing to do with this surveillance, dystopian, tyrannical system that they're building us. And, you know, RFK, and I've met the man. I just feel betrayed. I got to be honest, Major Tom. I feel totally betrayed.

When he just came out and said, you know, the measles, what's going on with measles and the uptick in this disease or virus, is because people stopped taking the vaccine. When that was literally one of his, like, one of his major talking points was about measles, the MMR. He was always going on and on about the MMR and how we don't need this vaccine and to see him completely flip. And then you bring up the example of this summit, which I watched with, with just horror that we had gone from doctors and patients to corporations and AI and surveillance.

Like, it's lost. And I got to tell you, Major. Tom, and I bet you're probably in the same boat. The whole reason I went MAGA, because I didn't vote for Trump in 2016. I didn't vote for Trump in 2020. I finally did in 24, and it was because of MAHA, not because of MAGA, and now I feel completely betrayed. Yeah, and many of the MAHA people feel the same betrayal, and I don't think it's going

to bode well for the Republicans in the upcoming midterms. I think there's a lot more MAHA people than they realize may be walking away from the polls this time because they do feel betrayed. And it's a shame, right? Because, you know, we know what's going to happen if the other party gets in power. We're going to get more of the... Joe Biden's the one that mandated the vaccines,

right, on the military. At least Trump said he wouldn't do that. But we're in a bad situation because it seems to be a uniparty when it comes to this particular health issue of the COVID vaccines. So that's why we're going to have to win this battle from the ground up.

That's why it's important. Thank you for having me on your show to talk about these things because that's the way we're going to win it. you know, to educate the public from the ground up, not to take any more of these mRNA vaccines, you realize that, you know, Moderna has a new flu shot out that's mRNA-based. They also have a RSV shot for the elderly that's MRI-based as well.

And they've got a whole bunch more of them plan for your future. So my advice to people is if it's MRNA, stay away. I like that. That is fantastic advice. Now, you talked about some solutions, and I really want to spend the remainder of the interview talking about that because that's what we just hit the audience with is very, very scary. You know, I maybe, you know, I didn't take the vaccine.

I should be okay. Oh, wait, I still am at risk of one of these fibrous clots. What can I do about it? Yeah, according to the doctors I've been in touch with, Dr. Joe Griffin, I mentioned earlier, another end of national specialist named Dr. Mahana Bescherat in Jacksonville, Florida. Once the white fibrous clots formed, these large clots, you can't break them down with anything. They use their best clot busting drugs. One of them is called tissue plasmidgen activator.

They don't work at all of these things. They're so tough. So they either have to go in and remove them with catheters, flexible catheters in the vein or artery, that either suck the clot out, scrape it out, or lasso it and pull it out, or they just have to go and do plain old vascular surgery and slice open the vein or artery and pull it out that way. But the thing that you can do is before they form, and they're still in this microclot stage, these very small clots, which the embalbers they call coffee ground.

It looks like coffee grounds and they're blood draining off the corpse. But those can be, we think can be dissolved. Dr. Peter McCullough, for example, has a protocol that consists of natokinase, bromulane, curcumin. And he says it's been shown to be successful in his patients in helping them remove the spying from their body so that the spike protein doesn't form the microcloths in the first place that then eventually become the large white fibrous clots. So that's one protocol that could be able to be.

be used. I mentioned earlier that double filtration plasma phoresis that's being done in Japan. That gets more drastic, right? That's when the microclotting is really bad in somebody's body, and they're really starting to suffer from what we call long COVID or long vac symptoms. So those are a couple of techniques that could be used. Other scientists are working on other technologies. I've heard other things. I can't confirm whether they're working or not. Some things that have been mentioned are like chlorine dioxide has been mentioned, a DMS, has been mentioned. Ivermectin, quercetin, I've also been mentioned. Have, you know, the hemophiliacs, the ones who can't clot, they cut themselves and

they are a risk of bleeding out. Has anybody studied them specifically? You may not know this as potentially maybe a treatment. I'm thinking of like sickle cell anemia with, you know, if you have that, and it's a horrible thing to go through, but if you have that, you're not not going to get malaria. So I'm kind of thinking, is that maybe a solution that we could look at and isolate to be able to treat people that are getting these clots? That's a really good idea, Caleb, because like you say, they have something in their blood, right, that keeps them from clotting. So maybe we can institute that and put it into people who have a, you know, propensity to do high, you know, hypercoagulation. That's definitely a possibility.

Now, we have seen that it looks like that different blood types may play a little bit of a role as well. Type O blood may be actually the least susceptible to the clotting, whereas type A, B is more prone to the clotting based upon some of the research that we've done. Interesting. I'm a B positive blood type. The problem is the team that we've had looking at this, they're using their own money. And they're, like I said, we're working with several universities around the world. We're working with a lab that's in Budapest, Hungary. But you realize the FDA, the CDC, they have hundreds of millions of dollars at their disposal.

University labs, you know, where's Stanford? Where's MIT on this, you know? Hospital systems like the Cleveland Clinic, the Mayo Clinic, they have research dollars. They could be putting forth all kinds of research in this area on the microclotting and the white fiber's clots, Caleb. but they've done nothing over the last six years. It's just, it's horrific, their lack of curiosity. Trust me, they can easily get, you know, plenty of these claws,

embalmers like Richard Hirschman, the 2024-2020 president of the Pennsylvania Funeral Directors Association, Mr. Chris Calvey Jr. Chris would be happy to give some of the white-frivers clots that he's pulled from corpses, you know, very well-respected man in the funeral industry. But they have zero, curiosity, you know, these government agencies, the CDC, the FDA, the university labs,

to want to look into this. And it's just, it's really sad. It truly is. It's affecting such a large percentage of the population. Like, you know, if it's in 23% of the dead, these white fibers clots and the microclotting, well, what percentage of the living is walking around with it right now? Yeah. Even if it's only 5% of you, yeah, even if it's only 5%, Caleb, 5% of 350 million people is about 17 million people in the United States.

Yeah, that's a large number. And honestly, is this just the new way of life? I mean, you said the vast majority of Americans are not getting it, but there's still some, and you can see them. You know, I live in Washington States, so anytime I go over to the west side, I still see a lot of people in masks, and I'm like, you're probably getting the next booster. But as they shed, because that's a real risk, these people are getting the vaccines, the MRNatech, and they're shedding. And now it's in the flu, as you pointed out. it's an RSV. Now they're talking about cancer treatment with MRNA. All those can potentially shed on us.

So is the rest of our existence is from now until Jesus comes back? Are we going to be constantly in this fight of cleansing our system of these MRI spike proteins? You know, unfortunately we may be because Big Pharma is so powerful and they've got a stranglehold on the politicians, on the medical community, on the journals. You know, it's hard to get anything published. I had a devil at a time just trying to get my article published in a peer-reviewed journal about the results of the surveys, you know. And it was just basically saying, here's a Baltimore saying, here's what I'm seeing and when I saw it and what percentage of corpses have this phenomenon.

There was no judge. We never mentioned the COVID virus or the COVID vaccine. We just said, and Baltimore's seeing this new type of clot. But even that, they know, is dangerous to the safe and effective narrative. So they have a stranglehold on it. We may just have to deal. In Baltimore, Richard Hirschman says, we're going to have to win this battle from the ground up. We're not from the top down.

Nobody's coming. There's no cavalry coming to rescue us. We're going to have to win up from the ground up and just have trust in God and our own immune system. Our God is given immune system. Yeah. Amen to that. But I tell you, I would not want to be the people that brought us upon humanity standing before the Lord on Judgment Day. Boy, I mean, I know I'm a sinner, but man, that's like at another level.

Major Tom, I want to bring up the website because we're quickly running out of time because I want people to be able to read through this. You got a lot of information on. I love the name Clotastrophe. That is phenomenal. But please walk us through the substack here and for the audience, it's Laura L-A-U-R-A-C-N-E-R-S-N-E-R-S-S-S-S-S-T-S-S-S-E-S-E-R. dot com. Walk us through the website real quick or the substack real quick and tell people why they should get on it. Yeah, we've documented over the last four years results of our four annual worldwide surveys. We also have interesting articles on there about, I had a phone call with

Dr. Jay Baticharya who heads the NIH. And so Jake, to make sure Jay is aware of the clots, I had actually attended the last two years, Caleb, I've attended the Tennessee Funer Director of Association's annual convention. That's how scared they are about it. They've invited me back two years in a row to talk about the clots. And I actually captured on video footage 18 to 28 of embalmers in a room at that convention saying they were seeing the cloth. So we have it on video footage. And you'll see that in the articles here. I also met with Tucker Carlson, gave him a vial of the clots. Tucker hasn't had me on his show yet, but I hope it will put me on his show. But we have a lot of interesting

articles on there. Lots of photographs of the white fiberous clots. It's a free substack. There's no charge for it. So please check. it out, folks. Yeah, please do. Tom, I just want to thank you so much for coming on the show, number one, but your bravery in tackling this issue, sounding the alarm, because this is, in my opinion, this is one of the most important things that we can possibly be talking about right now. And so I just so appreciate everything you've done for the medical freedom, truly. My pleasure. And like I said, I guess my last advice to people is, be people. Be

brave. You know, if next time somebody wants to make you do something you don't want to do, like take one of these shots or live in a 15-minute city or use a central bank digital currency, have the guts to say no. Amen. I so echo that. All right, well, I got to go ahead and close us out. If you hold on one more minute post-production to say our goodbyes, I'd appreciate it. But thank you again for coming on Church and State. My pleasure. Thanks. All right, ladies and gentlemen, there you go. A man that you all should be listening to. I want again, once again, direct you to the substack. Laura Kastner.substack.com.

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