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Pocan Valley could become a sanctuary city of a different kind. I'm proposing that the city of Spokane Valley issue of proclamation stating that our city is a Second Amendment sanctuary. Today on Church and State, Kirk's Law Corner with Kirk Pendergrass. Hello Christian Patriots and welcome to Church and State where we draw up morality and religion over tolerance and apathy. And I'm your host, Caleb Collier, once again, your favorite far-right shock jock and the show that talks about politics and religion, Jesus Christ, is our referee, so it's always nice and clean. Real quick, I'm going to point you to church and state. media so you can take advantage of all that we do on our website. Number one, the annoying pop-up, I want you to fill it out so you can get our newsletter and, of course, a personal phone call from

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Church and State 1776 at Proton.me, with that, let's go ahead and bring on our guests. Now, I'm excited to have Kirk Pendergrass. He's a founder and president of Kirk's Law Corner. He's also a KLC Media Group with a mission statement of educating the people on what their rights are, where they come from, and how to effectively claim exercise

and defend them following due process of, law. As an incredible statement, I am all for it. We have to understand our rights, ladies and gentlemen, where they came from, how to use them. And, Kirk, it is a pleasure to have you once again on Church and State. Thank you, Caleb. I appreciate

the presence here and the being in the presence of God, right? Two or more gathered in his name. He is here with us. So, we welcome God with us today. And such a blessing to be out here, trying to educate

the people. I truly believe that God has empowered me, given me this incredible mind to comprehend complex things and been accused of being able to break things down so grandma can understand it. I like that. I like that. Plus, two Marines getting together, you never know what's going to happen when two Marines get together. Something's probably going to get destroyed. And in this case, let's hope that it's tyranny that's going to be destroyed. absolutely let's expose it and uh you know that's part of my mission statement there about following due process of law you know the second amendment does have its purpose but there's a process that is due and even blackstone lays it out for vindication of the rights and

reference to the laws of nature and those fundamental rights you know we normally refer to as light liberty and pursuit of happiness well property is also in there but he says for a indication of these rights, we have to petition the judicial, then petition the legislature. And then if we don't get our relief that's demanded, then we can take up arms, which is actually in the Declaration of Independence. We have petitioned in the most humble manner and have been met with repeated injuries. So, you know, this is the key. Due process of law, my brother Tony Pellegrino, he calls me Kirk Due Process of Law Pendergrass. So I'm all about the process that is due and the, you know, the least violence involved, because I do not advocate for

violence even though, you know, I'm a Marine. Uh, what, what were we trained to do, you know? But that's the last resort. Should always be a last resort. And then fundamentally and principally, the least amount of force necessary to achieve the goal. Yeah, I'm all for that. Sounds very libertarian in its approach, non-aggression principles, which everybody who watches this show knows that I talk about quite frequently. Before we get into the whole due process, I'd love to hear a little bit of a back story. I'm sure my audience is interested.

How you got into this, you saw a need. And instead of like the vast majority of the normal people who said, the government ought to do something, you said, no. I think I'm going to do something about this. Yeah, for me, you know, at a very young age of 14, or just before I turned 14, a month before I turned 14 there, in 1985, I was the child kidnapped by CPS. And so I've experienced the corruption within government at a very young age.

And, you know, they lie. And I'm like, that's not what I imagined at, you know, 14 years old, how our government would be in these people acting that way. And then I, you know, at, what, 19 there, I joined the Marine Court. And from there, experiencing as an adult the actual corruption within government and how they unlawfully arrest people and violate our rights to due process of law and this kind of stuff. and basically sitting in a jail cell in 1995, I made a vow to God. It said, look, I'm going to start studying law so that I don't get screwed like this again.

I had no idea that it would turn into what it has turned into. You know, I've experienced the family court stuff. Just the massive amount of lies that happened and is allowed. I mean, when's the last time we've prosecuted perjury? How about when is the first time? You know, why isn't perjury being prosecuted? It's a felony, and it's a fundamental principle of God's law. Thou shalt not bear false witness.

So in there about around, well, basically in 1995, I started studying, you know, basic, the statutes and a little bit of the Constitution, you know, I was taught the Constitution in 9th grade in 1987, and then, you know, as you well know, in Marine Corps, they teach us the Constitution. Half of us slept through it, but, you know, because we're so beaten tired, but, you know, I've just like, wait a minute, you know, I took an oath to this stuff to support and defend this as you did and many others, not just the Marine Corps, all of us take that. And technically speaking, every public servants is required pursuant to Article 6, Clause 3. Whether your legislative, executive, or judicial, both state and federal, are bound to support the Constitution.

You know, like table legs support the tabletop. They don't get to dictate what's on top of the table. They're just bound to support it. And so this leads into corruption, tyranny, subversion of law, and even treason. So that's kind of how I got my start in all this. And then I just had a gentleman talk to him on the phone one day. And he's like, hey, how would you like to have your own radio show? And I started on blog talk radio.

And he is the one that said, hey, you know, I'm hearing stuff that I've never heard from any blog guru. And I'm breaking stuff down so grandma can understand it. So that's how I got started doing broadcasting and podcasts. And, you know, believe it or not, I was a little bit shy back then. I didn't want to show my face or anything that. I was reluctant. But here I'm now, you know, 10 years later and very fluent doing podcasts, and I do my own podcast weekly Monday Night Law.

I have my Wednesday night workshop, which is a private class for Patreon. You know, I found this guy Carl Miller, not sure if you're familiar with him, back in 2014. And he's a military veteran, which he recently passed away here a couple years ago now. Great, man. Trying to do the same thing, educate the people. And he made the comment, the statement that, hey, somebody ought to do something about that. Be as somebody. and at that time

I'm sitting there running my own mechanic shop and I'm like man I'm starting to get a little old I don't know how good my memory is at this particular point I mean a fairly good memory but because he's like oh you have to

memorize this stuff you know like your social security number or whatever in the military you got to rattle stuff off off the top of your head and he's like that's the same thing you got to learn the law you have to learn your rights so that you're

you can speak the law, be a law-sayer, a real law-year, is one who's knowledgeable on the law, one who speaks the law as a law-sayer. That's a real law-year. So, you know, even God tells us, our tongue is sharper than a double-edged sword. So I even have my dad's broadsword, big, huge sword, double-edged sword. And I've used that as a prop before because I associate that. broad sword gets a double-edged sword. And I've asked, you know, the people there and say, hey, can I get anybody to come up and volunteer for me to wield this double-edged sword on them?

And I have not yet had one that would come up and let me, you know, wield this double-edged sword on them. So take this as an analogy of knowledge is power. If you know what your rights are, you can speak those rights, the law. And I have experienced this. You know, it literally cuts people down, but this is in the spiritual realm. This is a spiritual battle. You know, we got words like spelling. We spell out the word. We're casting a spell. When we write these documents or when we speak the law, we're casting a spell in the spiritual realm to convict the man's mind, whether it's the judge or the police officer, prosecutor, even your neighbor. Right? So we have to be very mindful of the words that we use.

how we speak to our fellow man, just even as a family member or neighbor, because words can cut people, and it can hurt sometimes. So I've had to learn a few life lessons and be a little bit kinder. You know, I'm not perfect, but that's life, right? We're supposed to live and learn. and one of the ones that I learned is what's the old saying is that learn something new every day. The other part of it is, well, what I learned today is what I learned yesterday was wrong. So if we can learn to recognize our own wrongs and correct those, that's integrity. So that's how I get started in all this. Thank you.

I appreciate you filling the audience in on why you're so passionate about this issue. So let's get into this a little bit because I think most of the audience is going to be pretty familiar with the term lawfare. And we're currently experiencing that. The vast majority of us in some manner have been victims of lawfare. You brought up examples actually of, you know, when's the last time we actually prosecuted somebody for perjury as a great point? Because most of the time, and even on television, you can see attorneys just lying outright. right and they should be prosecuted for something like that. So let's get into some applications here of understanding your rights, knowing where they came from.

I really want to break this down with you because this is your statements here and then how to utilize them. Okay, so what's, what's the, you know, I guess the multimillion dollar question always is, well, what can we do? First, knowledge. So let's talk about what our rights are and where they come from. Now, when we're talking about law, law is a right, which actually comes from the French word droid, meaning law or right. So the first law is God's law, which is also known as the laws of nature. Now, if we read Declaration of Independence, it says, right, the laws of nature, and nature is God. And among these rights, the government is instituted to secure these rights.

and among these rights is like liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Then we go to law, law of nations by M.R. D. Vettel. And the full title of law of nations is the law of nations or the principles of the laws of nature as applied to the conduct of nations. Oh. So that's the first fundamental law. And as Blackstone in his commentaries puts in there right after we, we're just talking about the vindication of rights and stuff,

he makes the statement that any man-made law that comes in conflict with the laws of nature is void for any effect. So even a constitution is man-made law. So even if the constitution comes in conflict with the laws of nature, it would be void for any effect, because that's man-made law. So that's where our natural rights come from, and not to be confused with natural law. Even Blackstone enumerates or lucidates that and says,

don't confuse the two. Natural law is still manmade. And that's in an attempt to subvert the actual laws of nature, as God intended. So in a way I call that bar speak or word salad from the bar. They try to twist things and change things. and you know and it's it's it's it's so corrupt the whole system and this is worldwide if we take into account the laws of nature that's supposed to be applicable everywhere the whole world as you know uh blackstone talks about and his uh commentaries there this is applicable into the whole world this should be the fundamental law and then with the intent of establishing government is to secure those rights. You know, a lot of people don't even realize it.

We talk about state, like a state constitution. It's a state of being. Read your preamble. That's the preamble is the intent of the people to create government. And a lot of them will say we're grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of liberty. You know, to secure these, we're ordaining or establishing or establishing or this Constitution, which is the instrument of government itself.

And then we get into, you know, political rights. Now when people say civil rights, that's Roman civil law, which are actually privileges, you know, 14th Amendment, privileges and immunities. No, these are God-given rights, natural rights. And then we have political rights. But there's that fundamental law, which Blackstone talks about, Montesquieu talks about, the law of nations talks about, is these three bodies of law. You have the Roman civil law, you have feudal law, and then you have common law.

Now, the origin of the common law was actually from the Saxons, which were the Christian Protestants, and it was maxims of law and traditions. So when we look at that maxim, what's a maxim of law? well that's a rule of law and it's also as blackstone says the common sense law so i always use the analogy hey this is common sense stuff do you have to hit your thumb with a hammer to know that it's going to hurt because if you're that type of a man that you actually have to hit your thumb with a hammer to know that it's going to hurt you lack common sense you're not of sound mind So, you know, these things, it's complicated if you don't know.

If you haven't read, because reading means reading. And if you don't have this knowledge, we have no power. But once you have the power, you have to learn how to wield that power, just like the double-edgedged sword. You know, it's a big, broad sword. Put somebody into battle that's never practiced. wielding that sword, how good are they going to do in battle? They're probably going to cut their own leg off. Right?

So this is the key is how to effectively defend ourselves following due process of law. So not only do you have to learn your rights, you have to learn how to speak them, and then you've got to figure out learn what the process is that is due, because that's what due process of law really is. So what's the law say that the process is? that is due to whoever it is you're dealing with. Because sometimes if you're dealing with an elected official, there's a process that's due to them.

It's called the impeachment process. That's what our founders put into our form of government because of the way things were happening with the king coming in and basically wiping out an entire legislature of the people and then putting his own people in. Well, they said, no. You've got to go through this process to remove them. And this is to protect the people in their official capacity from being arbitrarily removed.

So it all depends on who you're dealing with, what the process is. And due process of law is synonymous with law of the land. They're one and the same. They mean the same thing. So when we say due process of law, we have to look for the process from the Constitution. or the common law of the land, because the common law is the fundamental law, including the Constitution, the law of nations, is part of the common law. So which the Roman civil law is opposed to, because it's a different, it's a foreign jurisdiction.

In the Declaration and Penance even talks about being subjected to a jurisdiction that is foreign to our Constitution, unacknowledged by our law and given his assent to their pretended acts of legislation. That is precisely what we're dealing with again today. It's been throughout history this Roman civil law from the Roman Catholic Church Catholicism as an ideology versus Christianity as an ideology from the Saxons. This is what I have discovered in my research, reading and study, in law, the history of law, this isn't the first time we've been here. This has happened many times cleared back to 400 BC. Sure. So fundamentally, we need to transform our minds as American citizens

to that knowledge base that our rights don't come from government. Our rights don't come from anyone other than God. And these are, I like using the term unalienable, right? Because you cannot put a lien. upon those rights. And that's really what comes down to. Even myself, I cannot give up my God-given rights. I cannot put a lien against those. And so for the American citizen, we need to stop with the term constitutional rights. I hate that term. I really do. It bugs me. No, they are God-given rights, and no person, no government can ever take those away from us. Absolutely. There it is. It's the knowledge is power. We lack the knowledge. I was just talking about last night. on my Monday night law, I've been thinking about the movie Idiocracy.

Right here. I'm like, you know. Brondo. I'm wearing the Brondo shirt. It's got electrolytes. Yeah. There it is. Perfect.

Holy smokes. What a coincidence, eh? The fact is, is that's where we're at. And if you read Saul Olinsky's Rules for Radicals, one of the eight elements of taking down a nation is to take over the education. So we, on purpose, with intent. to dumb down the people so far, including our legislators,

including our sheriffs, governors, you know, everybody. So this is where, you know, God had a little epiphany for me. It's like, well, wait a minute, we've all been lied to. So that helped calm my anger,

you know, at the corruption and these people, you know, doing what they're doing. They truly believe that they're following the law because that's what they were talking. So this is where we're at. We're an idiocrycy. I mean, it's so bad, Kirk. We're literally wearing crocs right now.

Like, come on, people. That was a joke from idiocracy, and now you all are wearing it. It's like, it's come true. It wasn't supposed to be a documentary, but here we are. Baseball. But that's the key. They're taking advantage of our lack of knowledge. And even God tells us, my people shall parent.

shall perish for a lack of knowledge. That's the truth. God is telling us, hey, and if you read that particular part of the Bible regarding what he's referring to, he's referring to our rights from God. So if we don't know these rights, we can be taken advantage of. We can be railroaded.

We can be, you know, subject to tyranny. Despotism. Yeah, you're absolutely right. That knowledge is going to be that power. All right. So we've gotten to that. I hope the audience has come to the same conclusion that you and I have. These are God-given rights.

So now that we have that knowledge, how do we apply it? You have to claim it. It's really that simple. You speak the law. I have this right, like the right of personal liberty, consistent in the power of locomotion, of changing situations. They sometimes refer to it as freedom of movement.

Right. What man on the... this planet has any higher authority over another man. So if we don't have that power, and here's a maximum of law. What I cannot do in my person, I cannot do through the agency of another. So fundamentally and principally, as a maximum of law, if I can't do it, I can't ask another man to do it. And I always use the analogy of, okay, murder is unlawful, right? Do we need a statute that says murder is unlawful? Or do we have the common sense? sense that that is morally wrong and evil because it says thou shalt not commit murder

it's a one of the ten commandments i mean come on so the thing is is okay can i can i can i contract with another man lawfully contract with another man to commit murder well and if you uh if you work for the government maybe but i'm saying lawfully full of law No, we cannot because I can't do that in my person. Therefore, I can't delegate a power to somebody else to act on my behalf, whether it's as the community as a whole, what we would consider government and instituting government to secure these rights to be free from murder. How then can we delegate them a power that allows them to commit murder? It's just fundamentally and principally. as a, you know, part of the bedrock cannot do that. If I can't do it, we can't delegate that power to somebody else to do it. Now, Kirk, that's that separation, right? The common sense laws, you're talking about murder or theft, right?

These are things we don't need a government entity to tell us this is wrong. We instinctually know it. We can see it. But then we get into the other laws that get passed. Like, you can't collect rainwater that is now illegal, right? To where it's like, how does that make any sense? whatsoever. So let's deal with some of those ones, because I think the audience is going to be curious. And I know we're coming down to a heartbreak here in a little bit, but we're going to keep going on

with this, because I'm going to ask you some pointed questions about some of the things that have been really annoying me as of late. But just with what I just said, murder, yes. Okay, collecting rainwater? No. Right. I mean, where's the authority granted to regulate the people? To dictate to the people. First of all, where does the rain come from? Does the government create the rain? I don't think the cloud seeding has gotten that good yet, but give it time. I mean, technically speaking, sure, they've manufactured something that creates clouds that causes it to rain

and then spraying chemicals in air to cloud seed and cause it to rain. But you're utilizing something that God created, right? And then the second part is, well, you're on private property. And what I do on my private property is none of government's business. We did not delegate government power to regulate the people in the private. Only corporations that are acting in commerce. That's the number one fundamental principle. So it's not, we use logic and reason here.

Where did you get the authority to dictate to mankind anything? Where's that power delegated? It's not. Exactly. It's a great point. It's retained by the people and prohibited by the people. Amen to that. All right. Well, ladies and gentlemen, we've hit that hard break. Are you aware that the Holy Word of God tells us to eat beef? Romans 14 says one person's faith allows them to eat anything, but another whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables.

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and what we can do in utilizing our rights, knowing our rights, and then applying them when government tyranny rears its ugly head. And so, Kirk, bring you back onto the show, let me ask you a question about something that as a traveler, I travel a lot for my jobs, it annoys me that there's this national ID, that the government has decided, hey, if you want to get on a plane, you've got to have a specific ID. And if you don't, oh, we're going to find you. We're going to charge you. I think it's $45 or something like that in order for us to do this little background check. I'm sorry. With the advancements of the NSA and the TSA and all this stuff, They already know exactly who I am.

The amount of cameras, as soon as I park my car on the airport property and start walking to the airport, they already know exactly who I am. Why do I need this national ID? That's quite the conundrum, right? On one hand, it's, oh, it's about safety and, you know, protection of the people. Well, my first question is, is how well has that worked since it's been implemented? And then, gee, what did we do in the world? the 1700s or the 1800s for picture ID. See, this is the thing is what the census is supposed

to be for, is that tells us who's who, whether you're an inhabitant or you're one of the people, or you're an actual citizen, which is a member of the legislative executive or judicial branch. Now, my brother, Tony Pellegrino, he actually did his own affidavit of status and recorded that with the county recorder's office and then turned around and got a certified copy of that. He has actually used that to get on a plane and fly from California to Pennsylvania. And that was a few years ago.

But, you know, at first, the person that was standing there was like, well, I don't know about this. And somebody come over to hire up, you know, and looked at that and said, yeah, that's got a seal on it from, the county recorder's office, that's a legitimate state issue ID. Doesn't have to have a picture. So, but I also am aware that legislation has been made through Congress to slowly phase out the TSA. So, you know, our right to travel comes from the right of personal liberty.

So, I mean, how about like Uber? Let's use Uber for an instance or a taxi cab, right? Taxicab probably would be better. You hail a taxi cab. Do you have to provide identification to get into the taxi cab? No. Why would I, it should be applicable as a fundamental principle, the same thing with getting on a plane or a train.

Should be the same thing. I don't need to provide any state-issued identification, because technically speaking, we the people require public servants, public servants to have proper identification upon demand of the people. And this is where the law gets twisted. Well, when a police officer stops you and demands identification from you, you're required to produce that. No, no, no.

When one of the people comes in contact with a public servant, they're required to have state-issue picture ID to identify themselves in an official capacity. So we know what their name is, full name. They're required to produce that so that we know whose name to put down on a criminal complaint or a civil complaint or a petition to the legislature.

That's what that should be done. That's how that should be done. Is that they are required to have that in their official capacity. If I'm not in any official capacity, how would I have to have ID? What kind of ID would I have? I'm not in any official capacity.

I don't identify as any public servant that is bound by the Constitution or any statutes or policy, because that's what that really is. Then we go to American Jurisprudence, Volume 16, Constitutional Law, Section 2, statutes are for government, civil conduct. It is to control their conduct. and the fact is, is that statutes are not submitted to the people for their approbation. So then there's no consent to be governed by statutes. I like this.

So let's continue down this vein. And let's make my audience dangerous, shall we? That sounds kind of fun. And let's specifically tackle what I was just talking about with the TSA and this national ID. But let's also, since you brought it up, let's cover getting a ticket. Let's cover getting pulled over. What are the proper steps, your recommendations for anyone in these two situations, knowing their rights, having that knowledge, that power, and then applying it to either one of these circumstances?

Well, here we go again. Brainwashing and indoctrinated. We don't even know what our rights are. The right of personal liberty. The right to acquire, possess, and the free use of private property. That's one of the three primary absolute rights from the laws of nature. That right to life, the right of personal security, there's five different elements there, personal liberty and then private property.

So the thing is, I have recently discovered this in the last six months, is the Federal Motor Carriers Safety Act, FMCSA. It's in the United States Code Code of Federal Regulations. This properly identifies what a motor vehicle is. Because fundamentally and principally, there's no motor vehicle manufacturer. There are vehicle manufacturers. So where does motor vehicle come from? That's under Commerce.

Article 1, Section 8, Clause 3. So 10th Amendment, that power was delegated. to Congress. And Joseph's story in his commentaries on the Constitution talking about the Article 1, Section 8, Clause 3, the Commerce Clause, he specifically states that commerce, undoubtedly, is traffic. So then the first thing is, knowledge is power. What the heck is traffic? Oh, traffic is the transportation of what? Passengers or property in either foreign, interstate or in trouble? state commerce and under the FMCSA specifically states that there is a cooperative agreement between all of the states annually they must submit their agreement that all of their policy statutes regulations regulating commerce

in this matter this subject that they're all substantially in compliance with the federal regulations. So you go in there and read the FM CSA and what does it talk about? What a motor vehicle is? What a driver is, which is connected to a common carrier. Found it right in my own Idaho Constitution under corporations. So knowing this, this changes the game because the requirement for a driver's license, they're all commercial. And there's only supposed to be a class A, B, and C, there is no such thing as a class D commercial driver's license. Because it's all commerce. Can't regulate the people.

It doesn't apply to the people. The people didn't delegate their power to regulate natural God-given rights from the laws of nature, fundamentally and principally. So on a federal level, they're telling all of the states you have to be in compliance with this. And when you get in there, it talks about a truck and a bus. Under a Class C, commercial driver's license, under what a bus is, it includes taxi cabs. Well, wait a minute. Well, we're told we've got to have this Class D in the states. class D driver's license in order to utilize our private property. Well, that's the difference

between travel and transportation, which I have discovered in my own Idaho code, highways and bridges. And then I discovered the Transportation Department, Idaho Transportation, Maryland. Well, found that in the United States code. What was the legislative intent? It was Congress that created all state transportation departments and for the purposes of creating highways, interstate highways and bridges. No wonder why I found the creation of the Idaho Transportation Department under highways and bridges. Well, wait a minute, when you read that, it says the streets and highways are created for the purposes of travel and transportation.

So some people are confused about this right to travel when that real right is the right of personal liberty and the right to acquire or possess and the free use of private property. Now, Hale v. Hinkle is a very good case to read. We have no duty to the state to open up our books and papers on suit of the state or our neighbor. Our rights are long and accedent to the formation of the state. Right?

Our rights come from God, which is long before we created government. So how can government, any man-made law policy, come in conflict with those rights? And if they do, it's void for any effect from the day that it was created. Not from the day we go to court and brand it is unlawful and unconstitutional. So again, this goes back to having the knowledge of the right. and effectively claiming that right, exercising that right, and effectively defending it by speaking, this is my right. What is it you're claiming is law that is in conflict with this right?

And then we do the constitutional challenge to that so-called statute when it's all regulations, which is all promulgated under the Administrative Procedures Act, which was implemented in 1946, all orchestrated and perpetrated by the American Bar Association. I have the documentation to prove this. Oh, this is to better ensure justice. No, you're subverting due process of law. You're transferring legislative power to the executive branch under an executive agency. Well, wait a minute. That's how a monarchy works,

because the legislative and executive is joined in our republic, which is a confederacy, a Confederate Republic. We're not a democracy, we're not an aristocracy. And there are three types of republics, aristocracy, democracy, and confederacy. We are a Confederate republic, not a constitutional republic. Constitutional Republic doesn't exist. Read monoskew in his spirit of laws. Read the law of nations by M.R.D. Vittel. It doesn't exist. That's not a proper designation of a republic. So that's, you know, again, knowledge is power. We don't have this knowledge. We can't effectively defend ourselves from the tyranny, from the despotism and things that just don't apply

to us or should not apply to us and is foreign jurisdiction. It is foreign to the Constitution. It's foreign to our law, you know, unacknowledged by our law. Well, what is our common law is our law. So sure right I mean honestly like I know I've learned a lot here and I know my audience has probably learned a lot and there's a lot more for people to learn and so I want to bring up your website actually is where we're kind of winding down the interview here Kirk's Law Corner and you can find it at kirkslawcorner.com there it is right there Chris has brought it up for us tell us just you know 30 seconds here what people can expect as they're going to their web to your website

go ahead sir the very first thing is there's a I have a free educational series and if you scroll down just a little bit there's the first one linked to my YouTube channel where these this free educational series is that so you know it's 16 plus hours so I've added a couple of other videos in there talking about the laws of nature there's two different ones there that's in addition to the original eight. But start at the beginning, learn the history of law, number one, number two, learn about some basic documents. Now, keep in mind, I did these like seven years ago, and I have learned so much since I've done those, but the fundamental principles that are in those videos are valid. Definitely learn some more about doing different kinds of paperwork,

how to effectively defend ourselves following due process of law. And from there I have the library tab. And there's all sorts of books, links to stuff in there, starting with the treatise on arrest and false imprisonment. Yep. Well, there you go. And that is an exceptional read. It is mind-blowing. You can learn so much for meeting that treatise on arrest and false imprisonment. It is paramount. You want to gain some knowledge about how things are corrupt and the history of case law that's in there.

It also gives you the document, documents, a complaint, summons, and a complaint. And a memorandum of law built right into that treatise on arrest and false imprisonment. And then from Charles Wiseman, the same book there to the second, is the authority of law. This talks about legislative authority and the powers, the limitations of what they can actually make legislation on and how it's supposed to be done. Again, due process of law.

What is the process in making legislation? And then I believe the third one there is the law of nations. That's the part of the common law. In fact, I just recently shared a video from Virginia Law School out there saying, look, the law of nations is part of the common law. It's applicable. It's in Article 1, Section 8, Clause 10, that Congress has the authority to make legislation for violations of the law of nations.

And then the fourth one there, the report of the commission on unalienable rights. Boy, is that such a good read? And I'm kicking myself in the butt because I've not read the entire thing. But for me, it's like, oh, I get it. A lot of this stuff I'm already well aware of, and I could have written that based on the knowledge that I already have and what I've already taught out here. So those four things right there is a very good start into it. And then, of course, the next section there, again, I'm a logical man in a chronological order of things. Then you get into legislative procedures. The real law is that Lex Parliamentary Americana, the practice in the legislative assemblies,

it's the law and practice of legislative assemblies in the United States of America. There's the common law. Then the one to the right there is Mason, that's actually the 2010 edition of Mason's manual legislative procedure, which I read that entire book that basically fits in the palm of my hand. two and a half hours. So it's a pretty easy read, but it keeps referencing this cushions, cushions, almost on every single page. So I'm like, okay, maybe I ought to go find this cushions thing. And that's where I discovered Lex Parliamentary Americana. So really, Mason's manual legislative procedure is the bar subversion of the real law found in Lex Parliamentary Americana.

got the Jefferson's manual there, which was one of the very first ones done in our Republic. And then I believe, I can't quite remember what that one over there. But we're winding down here is that there's a lot of information on your website. And I want to point everybody to it so they can utilize all of the different resources that are free on your website here. So I also do want to bring up toll and roll as well. If you go to toll and roll.com, ladies and gentlemen, this is a great website as well. Kirk, you are a delegate for this organization, but you're doing a lot to fight for the rights of American citizens. Absolutely.

So there you go, ladies and gentlemen, toll and roll.com. And then, of course, Kirk's Law Corner.com as well. Both great websites for you to have an understanding. of what your rights are, how to apply them, how to utilize them, especially as our government gets more and more tyrannical. Kirk, it's been a pleasure having you on Church and State. I really appreciate your time and all the work that you're doing to secure our freedoms. Thank you, Caleb.

Thank you for having me on again, and really enjoy hanging out with you guys. You guys are really good people, and God bless. Thank you, sir. God bless you as well. I'm going to go ahead and close us out. If you hold on one more minute post-production to say her goodby, is I appreciate it. but again, thank you for your time. There you are, ladies and gentlemen.

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