The Prepper Broadcasting Network - Church & State -Mike Arnold, Flipping the Global Narrative on the Nigerian Genocide

Episode Date: April 22, 2026

At a packed press conference before Nigerian and international media, Mike exposed the genocide and the machinery behind it: jihadist ideology, political realignment, blood minerals, and mass displacement. https://mikearnold.org/Church and State is brought to you by,  YOU!  Visit us at: https://churchandstate.media where you can support us by donating directly and find links to shop with our affiliates.Get our merch at https://standupnowapparel.com/partner-church-and-state/   Learn how to Protect Your Wealth against inflation at: www.BH-PM.com and tell them Church and State sent you.Support Church and State today by shopping at www.MyPillow.com using our coupon code: “CHURCHANDSTATE”.Our links are on link tree: https://linktr.ee/churchandstate                    Subscribe to our Locals Community (churchandstate1.locals.com)   Follow us on Rumble (@ChurchandState1776) https://rumble.com/user/ChurchandState1776    X(twitter) (@1churchandstate) https://x.com/1churchandstatefacebook (churchandstate1776) https://www.facebook.com/ChurchandState1776   SubStack (churchandstate.substack.com) https://churchandstate.substack.com/     *Help fund our fight against tyranny: Buy from our affiliates and tell them Church and State sent you. *Tune in on NRBTV Tue-Fri 1:30 PM Pacific! Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/prepper-broadcasting-network--3295097/support.BECOME A SUPPORTER FOR AD FREE PODCASTS, EARLY ACCESS & TONS OF MEMBERS ONLY CONTENT!Red Beacon Ready OUR PREPAREDNESS SHOPThe Prepper's Medical Handbook Build Your Medical Cache – Welcome PBN FamilySupport PBN with a Donation Join the Prepper Broadcasting Network for expert insights on #Survival, #Prepping, #SelfReliance, #OffGridLiving, #Homesteading, #Homestead building, #SelfSufficiency, #Permaculture, #OffGrid solutions, and #SHTF preparedness. With diverse hosts and shows, get practical tips to thrive independently – subscribe now!Newsletter – Welcome PBN FamilyGet Your Free Copy of 50 MUST READ BOOKS TO SURVIVE DOOMSDAY

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to have you on church and state thank you so much good to be here yeah absolutely so um First and foremost, former mayor, so we have that in common. I'm a former city councilman. I just want to ask you, like, I know my time on the city council. I absolutely loved it. I loved representing the people. I really took the job. And even though it was, you know, lower level government, I really took it to where I have a responsibility here.

Did you have a similar experience there? Yeah, you know, great responsibility. My little community, which is not too far west of Austin, Texas, which is like, Sodom and Gomorrah on the Colorado River. So we have, surprisingly, for a small, rural Texas town, have a very strong left-wing contingent that is nasty and just vicious and slanderous. I mean, it was like waiting through a cesspool

to get some good things done on the other side of it. But there was a lot of it that, you know, I felt called to do it. And so, you know, I did it with all my strength and got a lot of good things done. And on the balance, it was definitely something worth doing. Absolutely. I just want to say to the audience, run, run for office. It's a great opportunity for you. You're going to learn so much about how politics in America works and be able to benefit the people that you've been elected to represent. So, Mike, I want to go into what's going on in Nigeria because we just don't seem to hear much about it in America. And I don't entirely know why that's the case. I guess the Nigerian government has done a good.

job of a cover-up. But our focus seems to be elsewhere. It seems to be on Ukraine or what's going on in Israel or Iran. Certainly, we've seen genocides that we've paid attention to, Rwanda, for example. But for some reason, Nigeria, just America, we don't think about what's going on there. No, that's absolutely true. There's a number of reasons. I've been liken it to a reverse Wakanda, you know, the fictional country from the Marvel

universe. It has this, you force field around it. so people can't really see what's underneath it. Nigeria is similar. What Americans need to know is that Nigeria is the sixth largest nation on earth today. By far the largest black country on earth, it has about a quarter of the African population in that one country. It's on track because of their youth, the average age is just over 18.

They're on track to be the third largest nation on earth by 2050. So it's giant. It's one of the top five oil-producing and exporting nations on Earth. It has about a trillion dollars, a thousand billion dollars in mineral reserves, and it's the future minerals, the lithium, and the rare earth elements and such. And their media, their movie industry makes more films than Hollywood. You've seen them, and you don't even probably know it. And their music industry dominates the streaming charts. So it's this powerhouse, a behemoth, really, that's on track to have an even greater impact in the world.

But you're right, it's kept under wraps. One thing I've seen, and I just hate to say it, but true. It's because they're black and it's an Africa and people tend to dismiss that. But it's also intentional because so many global forces that we're up against have made it their headquarters and operated there with impunity for a long time. It is, according to General Michael Langley, who was the head of Africom, our African Command last year in front of Congress, he said, it's the epicenter of global terror. ISIS, al-Qaeda, these international jihad groups have headquartered there. And they're being supported by the Chinese who are looting as many as nine billion or more dollars a year in minerals. That's according to the Nigerian government's

numbers. Nine billion a year and it is funding the jihad and the corruption to cover it up. The globalists also, it was very specifically and intentionally Barack Obama as part of his Arab Spring that handed Nigeria to the radical Islamists. So it had always been there, but he gave them that full control. And that's what unleashed this jihad. So there's elements within our own government at the very top, even today, that are trying to suppress and hide what's going on there. So there's so much as a major narrative war taking place. I was just threatened with the laws through today by the Sultan of Sokato, the head of a 200-year-old caliphate. This guy's Pope and King to 108 million Muslims, and he's threatening to sue me. So there's a very aggressive

narrative war to cover it all up and hide it. people don't notice the genocene 125,000 Christians killed mercilessly, brutally in the last decade or so, 10 million or so displaced, unable to go home. And that's a byproduct of this Islamic jihad conquest. And we know nothing about it. Most Americans can't even find Nigeria on a map. And that's a big mistake. I would completely agree.

And there we go. We got breaking news on church and state. You're getting sued. obviously that means you're doing something right. Now, your story is rather fascinating to me. You were brought over there as an observer and no offense meant at this at all, but they expected you to be kind of a useful idiot on this one. They'd show you, they'd kind of give you the tour look.

Everything's great. It's wonderful here. And during a press conference, like, you just, like, told them to pound sand. You, like, got the microphone and you were just spitting truth. I'm sure there were probably some risks associated with doing something like that. Absolutely, yeah, they called me. It was October 5th, Sunday morning. I was in Bible study.

I got a call from the National Security Advisor of Nigeria. And a man who's the president of Nigeria, Spend Doctor, he's now an ambassador of Nigeria. They were on the phone. They called me, oh, we need your help. This was right after Bill Maher started talking about the Nigerian Christian genocide. It was starting to bubble up in people's awareness. And they were panicking because, you know, the, you know, the, The force field was wearing thin.

And I've been a missionary there since 2010. I've been there 16 total times. I've built schools and these displacement camps for these children that can't go home. And they reached out to me, thought I'd be the Jane Fonda of Nigeria. And there was a whirlwind. They stuck me in a room with three northern imams who are known to be terror-connected. One of them, famous quote, Of course we all celebrate whenever unbelievers are being killed.

I was sitting next to that guy for a photo op. And then, yeah, it was the next day, they'd schedule this big press conference where they thought I would get up there to smile and agree that, no, there's nothing to see here, folks. I knew what I was going to do, and I was advised by several high-level advisors that they would likely kill me for it. So I updated my will. I had a farewell dinner with my family and explained to them,

you've got to live for something, and you've got to die for something, and got on the plane and did it. And I was able to arrange a vehicle with engine running outside the press conference. So I did it. I dropped the truth. And it dropped online at time on a dead man switch. No pun intended. And got in the car, drove the airport, and flew out.

I had, before that, I had maybe 1,000 Facebook followers. I had 114 X followers. That press conference got 3.2 global, a billion, 3.2 billion global impressions within 72 hours. They convened an emergency Senate hearing that same day in Nigeria. It set everything in motion. And I'm credited this press conference and the narrative flip that it brought about is what got Trump involved. And he ultimately bombed Sokato State in Nigeria on Christmas Day. And that was from that press conference, I'm told.

Wow, absolutely incredible. I love what you just said there, though. You got to stand for something. You got to die for something. You know, there's, uh, one of the things I've pointed out on the show, actually, a number of times is we all like to watch these grand Hollywood movies, uh, you know, like William Wallace Braveheart. And we always like to put ourselves in those shoes. Like, that's what I would have done. I ought to say, you know what? King of England, we're going to live free. But the vast majority of Americans, if we're being honest, we don't have it in us. You, sir, you proved. Hey, you know what? I could die doing this, but revealing the truth and trying to help humanity. It's worth. It's worth. You. You sir. You're You know, I didn't see I had an option. How could I live with myself? If I had the opportunity to expose this? And again, I've been serving there for a long time. I have been to the front lines. I've been to Bocos, the community where a couple months prior was the Christmas

massacre, 300 some odd Christians hacked to death. I've been there. I know the victims, these displaced people, they're my friends. Like I said, we build schools for them. We have more than 600 full-time students now in these horrific displacement camps where these Christians have had to flee. The government denies they exist, the UN denies they exist. And at that time, nobody was paying attention. Nobody was talking about it. And yeah, God gave me an opportunity to do something about it. I don't know how I could have lived with myself if I didn't go.

You know, I'm of the age. I'm about to turn 56. Old man. I reconnected with a couple of college buddies a couple years ago. You know, two friends, we had dinner and we stayed up. They're both dead now. Different things, you know. My friends are starting to die.

And two out of three, why wasn't it me? You know, you've got to go somehow. And that's what I explained to my kids. You know, you've got to go somehow. You can go get the mail and get run over by a truck. If this is how I go, as long as they don't torture me to death, I think I'll be okay. You know, I didn't say I had an option. It was just what God called me to do.

Absolutely. You've also done, and you'll have to help me with the name here, but you've also showcased some of the victims of what's been going on with Nigeria. You have a, I believe, a teenage girl who was kind of a TikTok star, maybe a 20-something-year-old girl. And she was ultimately killed because of what she was revealing. And you showcase her story through your website and through your work. Yeah.

Yeah, Aisha, that's slightly different. But yeah, she was actually just died because her brother couldn't afford a bribe. 25-year-old girl, orphaned from this violence. Her and her brother lived in this displacement camp. And, yeah, she was convinced no one's coming to help. So she was, Aisha, very determined. She was getting education. She had a job.

She had a side hustle. And she had this TikTok channel, and it was growing. And she got a bladder infection. And eventually because health care is hard to come by when you have nothing and you're in this situation. She was trying to wait it out, but ended up collapsing unconscious. They took her to this hospital, not supposed to pay if she's a displaced person. She had the car displayed. The hospital would treat her and then put in for reimbursement.

Well, they told the brother, they put her in a hospital bed and then said, oh, we won't treat her. without a, and it was like a couple hundred dollar bribe. He couldn't afford it. He couldn't afford it. He finally found another ministry. I wasn't aware of this at the time, unfortunately, but that was going to take care of her at another hospital, paid in full. They sent a vehicle to go get her.

They wouldn't let her out of the hospital bed. They wouldn't release her, this unconscious girl, without a bribe. And she died there. And they threw her in the morgue on the floor, tagged unknown, so they could continue the bribe, so that her brother would have to pay to bury her. I found that about it. I was there. We went in and to go get the body back and the hospital chained the doors of the corridor closed

and sent out their goons to assault us, beat us up, broke cameras and stuff. I got it all on video. But yeah, Aisha, she died because her brother couldn't afford a bribe. That's how they treat these displaced people there. It's horrific. Yeah, it truly is a horrific story there. And I'm glad you brought up the displacement camps because according to the Nigerian government, they don't exist.

Well, there's a couple of them that do technically exist. They acknowledge three million thereabouts displaced, and the formal camps are horrific. They have like 600,000 people, and the stories from there will blow your mind. But there's another 6, 7, 8 million displaced that are unaccounted. And they live in these camps,

I can only describe as concentration camps, that are self-made. I mean, there's sooch ditches and shanties they built themselves. The government goes out of the way to call them criminals and vagrants and beggars, homeless. They do not acknowledge that they're displaced victims. I have a school and a camp. It's in the middle of their capital of Abuja that the United Nations documented in 2015 when it was first established. It's still there.

The people are still there. And the UN now says there's no camp there. It doesn't exist. It's chilling. Go figure with the UN. No fan of them, and I think the United States should exit as soon as possible from the United Nations and stop paying most of their bills. But let me run down the breakdown of Nigeria. What's the percentages we're looking at here?

Christian versus Islamic versus any other religions or faiths out there? So it's about 50-50. There's a small amount. It's a very faith-based culture either way. There are some indigenous religions and such, but it's very, very small. It's about 50-50, they say, Muslim, Christian. I actually believe that Christians have a slight majority. The problem is the way they had no hand in the creation of their nation.

It was set up by the British on purpose. Combined these two regions, the caliph, the Sharia law, genocide, slavery, caliphate of the north, which they left intact. They had been there since 1804, largest pre-colonial, empire in Africa, this Sokato Caliphate. They left that intact, and then they merged it with the Christian English-speaking, educated, forward-thinking South, and called it a nation. It was the administrator's girlfriend who named it in 1914. In 1914, they named it Nigeria. It got its independence on paper in the 60s, but the British rigged it on purpose for the North to maintain

control because the oils in the South, they nationalized it, and the British just kept looting the oil. The people where the oil was get nothing, but pollution and corruption. And so they have a new constitution. There's a lot of history there. Written in 1999, I believe, by a Muslim

dictator wrote their constitution. It mentions Sharia and Islamic terms 165 times in the Constitution, not one Christian reference. So it's an Islamic state controlled by the that has this image of secularity, which is just false.

But they project it to the world so they continue with the trade deals and the good graces of the West. But that veneer is being exposed now. That's why they're panicking and they're engaged in this massive narrative war. They have over $10 million in lobbyists right now. This country of particular concern is paying $10 million to lobbyists in Washington and to muddy the waters and to put a lipstick on this whole thing. It's insane. You know, what you just said is such a tragic and very common story of colonialism,

where they would just redraw maps. They would group people together. They had hated each other for generations, right? And we see this in the Middle East. We see this in Africa. But it's caused so many problems because, you know, the West just, hey, here's the line now. We drew it up. You're a new nation. And man, we've created so many problems within the world, really, through that. Let me let's transition here to discussions about Islam. Because, you know, you and I were talking off camera before we started, how the Pope is literally just bending a knee to the jihadists, to Islam, you know, Islam, just making it seem like this isn't a religion that we should be concerned about or a faith that we should be concerned about.

about. As a Christian, I believe that there's only one path to heaven. I believe it's through Jesus Christ. We are covered by his blood, his grace. And so for any other religion, I'm going to take, I'm going to examine it. I'm going to look at it through that lens. But then also looking at Islam, this is a very violent religion. That's right. Yeah. And, you know, I distinguish between Muslims and Islam. There are Muslims that I respect and I trust. We have one of our schools and in a camp that has displaced Muslim people because their parents refused to be radicalized and got killed. And there are Muslims in Nigeria today that have a gun to their head and they say, join us or die. They say we'd rather die than be radicalized. So those people deserve respect and

honor. But Islam, the actual religion, it's more than a religion. It's more than a religion. It's It's an ideology. It's a government system. It's a conquest. It means submission. And it literally is just simply modeling the footsteps that Muhammad took. That's all it is, it's the codification of what Muhammad did. Muhammad was a dark age as warlord. He was a murderer.

He was a genocider. He was a pedophile. I was about to say, can we say pedophile? Yeah, absolutely. It's true. I mean, they don't deny that he had a six-year-old bride. I mean, come on. And they hold that up as the perfect man.

And if you look at what's happening today, the exact same playbook that Muhammad did. He would come in and play victim. He would play minority. He would band together with other victim groups and play nice and get along and use the good graces of the host country against them. Because any time anybody I would speak up,

oh, no, you know, you're attacking us. you're insulting us. We can't, you know. And little by little, they would take power, and then they would knock off all their allies, just like they're going to do with the gay rights people and the feminists who are supporting Islam. Now, they'll be like they were in Iran. They marched with the rebels, and then they were the first ones killed when they took power. That's how they do it, because that's how Mohammed did it. And that playbook has never in history, for 14, years been stopped without a war, and they're doing it to us now here in the United States. Britain, I hate to say it, but by a lot of accounts, it's already fallen.

Absolutely. Yeah, and I hate to say it also, because Nigeria has opened my eyes to a lot of things. The chickens are coming home to Rouge for Great Britain. I hate to say it, but they're reaping what they've sowed around the world. Those thrown together amalgamated nations that were designed to fail and have been soaked in blood ever since. Those were set up by Great Britain predominantly. And so they're reaping what they've sown. And it's sad to see. Yeah, no, you're absolutely right. Certainly London has completely fallen, but I would agree with your assessment that Great Britain has fallen. And you're

right. They've waged war against the West. I mean, you look at history and what the Islamic nations did when they invaded Western Europe. The atrocities are well documented. And I'm Sorry if you believe it was just a bunch of peaceful Muslims and then these wicked Christians. That's what that was all about. You're falling prey to revisionist history at that point. Can you talk about, because we're seeing it certainly in the United States, and we're seeing certain regions that are completely controlled by Islamic State, basically. Can you talk about how a Sharia law and our Constitution cannot work together? It is literally oil and water.

Well, it's a completely different system entirely. Yeah, it's a different code. It's a different government. And there is no First Amendment right to a separate government system. We certainly can stop it up. But let me just give you an example from Nigeria. Because Nigeria, you see, A, you see where they have control and then areas where they don't have as much control and how the same people act differently in both those places. But just a couple years ago, there was a young woman, early 20s, Deborah, Samuel Yakubu was her name, Deborah Samuel. A college student, one of seven kids, the only one her parents could afford to send to college. She was the hope for the family. She took a final and was in a WhatsApp chat group and the other students were thanking Allah, and she said, Jesus is the greatest. He helped me pass my exam. She posted that on WhatsApp. The next day, on campus with professors and police watching, she was pulled out.

She was beaten, stoned, they put tires on her and burned her to death. While taking selfie videos celebrating this. There was something of a national outcry, so they arrested two of this crowd. But before they could do anything, the crowd burned down three churches in town for protesting the arrests. The prosecutor never showed up, and 53, I think it was, Islamic attorneys showed up to volunteer for the defense. So they got off, Scott Free. The vice-emam, this is the deputy imam of the National Mosque, came out and said, well, she blasphemed, you know, what are you supposed to do? And played the victim when this girl was burned alive for saying the words, Jesus is the

greatest on WhatsApp. And it was covered up, nothing happened. That was, that's Sharia. That is a blasphemy killing and that will happen here if we don't stop it now. You know, that is a horrifying story. I thank you for sharing it because, you know, my audience needs to hear stories like that. And I will say this, that that young girl is forever with Jesus Christ right now. And those individuals who murdered her, unless they change their ways, they will face eternal fire. So they did not get away Scott Free, I would say. The eternal judger is definitely keeping a record of what has transpired there.

Going back to Nigeria, I just want the audience to truly understand what the situation is there, what Christians in this country are facing. And so I'd love for you to describe the persecution that they're experiencing, their way of life, how at any given moment they could be attacked by a Muslim horde. Yeah. And it happens all the time. Some of the people I work with are refugees from a village called Ingosh. And I've heard their stories from multiple different people, the same story.

They swept in there and first started killing the men, the Christian men, and stringing them up like goats, beheading them, dumping bodies in the wells and all for the crazy. When they found out that there were some surviving men, the women were taking food to them. They started killing, raping the women and children, too. They started rounding them up and selling them into sex slavery, burned all the churches, burned all the schools, destroyed everything, yelling Olu-Akbar the whole time. And those people, I was over, for a lot of people,

that was over a decade ago, and they have not been able to go back. Just a couple months ago, the government paid some of these displaced to go back home, paid them to go home, declared it safe, and then within two weeks they were all slaughtered. My goodness. You know, we've already kind of brought this up during the interview, but this is something that vexes me about the rabid Democrat socialists here in this country, the feminists, the homosexuals that are all for Islam.

Islam is a religion of peace and whatnot. And yet, as you pointed out, they were the first to get killed here. And these are the people that oppose slavery, believe all women, you know, women should never have to worry about being raped. and yet that's exactly what's going on in Nigeria and many other countries around the world. That's right. That's right. Yeah, people need to pay attention. My book, if people are interested in my book or the schools that I build to rescue these Christian children, my website is mikearnal.org. Please come check out the book. It's epicenter. When you understand Nigeria, you'll understand the world,

because it's all exposed there. And the schools we build, arise academies, We have 600 students now. We're on track to keep growing with your support. We can reach more of these children and rescue them from this cycle of death, where they show up wanting to get guns and they leave school wanting to go back and rebuild. So Mikearnold.org is how to find that. Yeah, amen to that. Mike Arnold.org, ladies and gentlemen, we've come up to that hard break with the NRB TV audience,

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And remember, ladies and gentlemen, mikearnold.org is the website. We'll show that again. But we're having just an incredible eye-opening conversation about the horrors that are occurring in Nigeria. and right there as we were kind of going to that heartbreak, Mike, I'd asked you about the rabid, you know, socialists in this country that are supporting, you know, these Islamic countries and just turning a blind eye to the rapes, to the slavery. This is a big one. Like, do you talk to any American? They hate slavery.

And yet, in so many of these Islamic nations, that's just a day, it's like part of life. That's right. In fact, you know, the prosperous, Muslim nations, if you look at their economy, it's based on two things, extraction and exploitation. They cannot build a good economy. There's no example on earth of a good economy being built. It's only by extraction, minerals, they happen to be sitting on oil, and exploitation. Dubai, the Emirates, did you know that their population is as much as 90% slaves? 80% to 90% today. Well, they had the paperwork, call them indentured servants, but it's slavery.

That's who built those big glossy buildings there in Dubai and so on, is slave labor. You know, the was it UN that recently declared the Atlantic slave trade is the worst human rights violation in history? And it no doubt was horrible. But it is eclipsed by the Trans-Saharan slave trade and the Indian Ocean slave trade. more slaves went that way and continue to go that way by far, multiple times, what went to the West. And it's still going. The reason you don't see big black populations there is because they castrate all the males. It's a much more horrific and ongoing thing is the slavery that goes to the Middle East.

You're absolutely right. And it was the West. It was the ideas that we came through Christianity, really, of all men are created equal. that really ended the slave trade. We don't get credit for that. Of course, we, we have a black guy. I understand that. I'm not trying to whitewash that whatsoever.

Yeah, we participated in it. We engaged in it. And you know what? We corrected it and we ended it here. But as you pointed out, it still continues to this day and in a much more horrific fashion. Yep. And we didn't start it. Of course, you mean, it was the British.

You know, we were a British colony. They had slaves. The British system did. And, you know, we ended it, you know, when we could get, you know, enough political will and, you know, sacrifice 300,000 American lives to end that abominable practice. But, yeah, that's not to defend that it ever existed, but the fact is there were more white slaves in North Africa than there ever were black slaves here. You just don't get that history. No, you definitely don't. You know, there's, on my side of the family, there's Irish.

and there was a lot of Irish slaves that were sold into it. I tell the story often on the show, but call your my last name means coal miner. And the coal miners were sold with the mine. They were indentured service. They were slaves. So, yeah, and I'm not calling for reparations for myself, although it might fund the show. Maybe that's an idea. I want to go back to Nigeria on this because I want to transition the remainder of the show

to what we can do, how we can help. And so the stage is all yours. Please tell my audience how they can shed more light to this, how they can get involved, good organizations maybe they can partner with, that their money is not getting taken and building the coffers of individuals that are rather unscrupulous. But please, it's all yours, sir. Oh, and we just lost him. So we will try to reestablish that. Chris is working on it right now, but we will get Mike back on. But as we try to get him back on, I want to remind people that you do have to do your due diligence here.

There are some shady organizations out there. In fact, they're rather frequent. They take your money and the money does not go to where you intended it to. Oftentimes it's lining the pockets of the CEO, of the upper leadership of the organization. Oh, and Mike is back, so we're bringing them back. But I was just talking, Mike, about being careful where you're sending your money to. But I think you heard the question that I was asking. Go ahead.

The mic is yours. Thank you so much. So, yeah, first knowledge. Fact is, if you study physics, there's no such thing as darkness. It's the absence of light. And so the way ultimately to win is to shine the light. And the light is love. The light is truth.

And so, yes, educate yourself. I'm not going to shamelessly pitch my book, but it's a good. you know, starter for understanding what's happening there in Nigeria. Educate yourself and speak up. If your pastor hasn't talked about the Christian genocide in Nigeria, educate him. He should. We who are many form one body and one part of the body is getting mangled. The rest of the body should feel it.

This should be preached from every pulpit and not as a political thing, but awareness shining the light. And then, yes, if you feel so inclined and, God puts it in your heart to give. Do your due diligence? There's a lot of, I don't want to say bad things about them, but people who have never set foot in Nigeria, showing up and raising a lot of money,

and you look at their documents, you know, 90% of it goes to their salary. You probably don't want to give to an organization like that. There's a few that have been there. I've been there, I've been doing ministry there since 2010. been building schools there since 2020. Right now we have, and here's the big thing. There's between 10 and 12 million displaced people there. That is where the terrorists recruits from.

They say statistically there's a 50% to 60% chance of these displaced people being radicalized by 2030 without intervention. That's five to six million more jihad. with access to a trillion dollars in mineral wealth and an ambition for global jihad. The Old Dominion shooter just a couple weeks ago was radicalized in Nigeria. They have that ambition. These children, this generation, this displaced, needs intervention. For me, everything I've seen there, everything I've walked there, that's the most important thing that we can do as a body of Christ, crisis is reach out to these children. And it's widows and orphans, these displaced people.

They hold the key to the future of Nigeria, and Nigeria is going to pay a big part in the future of the world. So there are other good organizations, but if you are compelled to check mine out, again, Mycarnel.org, you can click on it and see my organization there. Africa arise. We build schools, and those serve as beachheads in these displacement camps where we also help with medical care. with food, we help with shelter. But primarily it's about teaching these children. They show up to school,

wanting to get guns and go back and kill. They leave school with an education wanting to go back and rebuild. To me, that's shining the light. That's lighting candles. And that's how you burn away the darkness. And you reach people one heart at a time. We're reaching

them child by child in these schools. And I believe, I pray, it's making a difference. I got to say, I love the education factor there. It's the old analogy, right? If you give a man to fish, you feed them. But if you teach them to fish, you know, you've set them up for life. And I probably butcher that.

But you're going in there and you're educating people so that they can claw their way out of this horrible existence that they're experiencing. You and I and pretty much everybody watching this show, education is just a factor in America. Like, we don't even think about it. but you go to some of these these poor countries, third world countries, and they just education. It's like, it's like a dream for them, right? That they want to be able to achieve this, to just to go to school, even one day a week would be just an incredible opportunity for them. You're doing this and you're bringing people out of a lifestyle where not only is giving them hope for the future, but you're also pulling them out of being radicalized and potentially we see them in 10, 15 years in an act of terror.

That's right. What's interesting, one of the primary terrorist groups behind all this, and you've probably heard of them, Boko Haram, is what they're called. What that means in English, those words mean, is Western education is forbidden. Wow. They recognize that an educated child doesn't help them. The biggest threat to them is education, and that's why they've named themselves, Western education is forbidden. When I first discovered one of these camps, it was 2019, it was a Holy Spirit detour, complete miracle, ended up in this hellhole camp in the middle of their modern capital, blown away,

and I met a woman there. She'd been a schoolteacher in that village, Guoza that was wiped out, like I didn't describe. And they have nothing, you know, sewage ditch, hand-built chanteed, no assistance. And I was touched, and I asked, what do you need? How can we help? And I thought she would say, I could use some money, you know, could use some sanitation, could use some medicine, could use some food, could use some sheet metal for a roof on my shanty for me and my daughter. She didn't. She said one thing. She said, please, help me teach these children.

That will give them strength of character so they can resist the recruiters. That'll give them hope so they have the reason to wake up in the morning. That'll give them a path out of here. And so that's why we built the schools. It was the request of the displaced parents. that said, please, this is our kids, only hope. Teach them, please. They know how to fight back.

And so that's what we're doing. Yeah, you know, I can't help but notice the two distinctions between Islam and Christianity, as we've been talking. Whereas Christians, we want to educate these individuals. And on the Islamic side, they want to keep them dumbed down. They want to keep them stupid so they can control them, so they can sell them a bill of sales here. they can achieve jihad, they can go to heaven if they go and engage in an atrocity, whether it's gunning somebody down or blowing themselves up as a human bomb. That's what they want on the jihadi side.

And here we are as Christians going in and trying to teach them things. Yes, sir. I get a lot of videos. I have a lot of connections now in Nigeria. I'm now literally, they say I'm the most famous, an influential American in Nigeria today. it's sort of crazy. But you've got sent a video and it was some young girls

where these jihadis had them laying on the ground, their heads pulled back and they talked a while and then they cut their throats with dull machetes. But the people doing it looked to be 12 or 13 and there were boys behind them that looked to be six or seven with the jihad

outfit on. Six, seven, eight-year-old boys being taught to cut the throats of Christian girls because they're Christians. It's inconceivable. It's truly inconceivable, but that's what we're fighting against. They're not destined to that. It is not in their genetics. It's not in their skin color. It's the culture that they're forced into by these jihadis, and we can stop it. We can turn it around. We've got 600 kids today in our schools that are living proof that we can turn it around

if we just shine the light and love them. Amen to that. Well, sir, we're winding down towards the end of the interview. I want to bring up the website, once again, mikearnold.org. We're going to show that to the audience once more, but I can't tell you, sir, how much I appreciate this interview, getting the word out, and especially the work that you've been doing, and your bravery that I, you know, know that Christ gave you in addressing this situation. But just once again, please talk about your website and how people can help. Well, thank you so much. Yeah, the ministry is incorporated as Mike Arnold Ministries. That's why the website of Mikearnal.org. It's just easier that way to communicate it. Our schools operate under Africa Arise. We have a full entity over there. So it's a nonprofit 501c3.

You also can click there to order the book and just learn more about the work that we do there. Yeah, absolutely. I'm just going to echo that, encourage the audience to go to Mikearnold.org, explore the website. I'm going to tell you, get the book, EpiCenter. I'm going to read it. I'm looking forward to this. There was also a number of other books that Mike has read. And you can read all about his extraordinary, what's that? Or does I say read? I'm written, sorry. I'm getting corrected by my producer. But you've written a number of other books. You've had an incredible life. Entrepreneur, we didn't even get into that. I wanted to focus on Nigeria here. But please, audience, go check out the website, mikearnold.org. And Mike, once again, it's been an absolute

pleasure having you on here. Once again, thank you for your work and coming on Church and State. I'm going to go ahead and close us out. If you hold on one more minute post-production to say our goodbyes, I'd appreciate it. But again, thank you for your time here on Church and State. Thank you. Absolutely. Well, there you go, ladies and gentlemen, a very informative discussion about a massive tragedy that the vast majority of you have not heard a word about. I sincerely do thank our guest for shedding light on this and not just being that, but also going in and ministering to widows and orphans, which, if you remember, is what we're commanded to do. Church and State is brought to you in part by Colonial Life, Spokane, Independent Agents, Finders Insurance, and Mark 37.com.

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