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He's the author of an upcoming book, Orgoners. which is right in our neighborhood, ladies and gentlemen, is an award-winning journalist. He's a media strategist, advisor to senior executives. He's the host of What's Bugging Me podcast on the Rurcache Network. And he's also previously anchored at CNBC and Fox Business News. Dennis, it is a pleasure to have you on the show. Same here, Caleb. We've been having such a stimulating conversation before the camera rolls.

Let's try to live up to it for the rest of this gig. Thanks for this opportunity. Absolutely. It's a real pleasure. And obviously, you know, living, in the Pacific Northwest, your book strikes a nerve for us because we're kind of tired. Those of us that are on the conservative side of things, libertarian side of things, we're kind of tired of really the whole West Coast, but specifically the Pacific Northwest,

of just always being this liberal nightmare. Yeah, a parody of itself. You know, some people have asked, Dennis, you lived in Brooklyn for 43 years. I moved down to Sofloe, down to South Florida only in January. Why didn't you write a book about New York gone crazy? Well, New York's so big and diverse, it's hard to kill, and it takes years before bad effects really show up. In Oregon, 4.2 million people, it's a canary in the coal mine for blue states and liberal policies that are morally high-minded, but voters and politicians ignore the bad outcomes. They show up in sharper relief in Oregon, and they show up sooner.

And they're showing up like crazy, okay? You have problems such as super high taxes. Something like 68% I think it is of Oregoners say, oh, we're headed in the seriously wrong direction. Taxes are one of the biggest reasons companies leave. You have over-regulation of the environment. Oregon is one of the biggest sources of timber in the world. It has amazing resources, and yet you can't log it. And so you have timber companies in Oregon spending a quarter of a billion dollars.

to buy timberland in North Carolina. You have the homeless industrial complex in the Portland area, metro area. You spend more than $700 million a year on fewer than 20,000 homeless people. Yet, what's the outcome? The homeless ranks went up 64% in two years. In fact, homeless street urchins flood to the area because of the good benefits. You have the food bank there, brings in $100 million a year. government grants and other grants so it can distribute homeless, but the addicts on the street

only eat so much and most of them are on food stamps anyway. So some of the food they distribute turns into rat feed. So you have example after example of really bad outcomes and the high taxes, Portland is second only to New York City in highest taxes. And yet in Portland, the average weight is 20 minutes for a violent 911 call. So you're getting nothing for all the money that you're spending and paying in to taxes. You bring up so many great points here. You know, I'm reminded of the old movie, Field of Dreams and the line of,

if you build it, they will come. And that is the homeless situation in Portland. Industrial Complex, the homeless industrial complex. That's exactly right. People are getting rich off of it. And if they solve the problem, they'd be out of a job. And so the focus is not so much on getting them off the street. as the focus is on making them more comfortable on the street.

The county gives out tents and tarps, and the police force is told to allow them to set up almost anywhere they want. And yet I had a guy, he's got his own car driver company now, and in the early 2000s, he was homeless, he was addicted to opioids. And he told me that if you wanna get them off the street, you must make life as miserable as possible on the street,

which is the opposite of what the homeless industrial complex does. You're absolutely right. I mean, areas of Portland, it's not even fun to go down to anymore. And I'm not that far away from it. But it used to be a great, cool city that you go to and explore. And it was always a little bit weird. They kind of embraced that. But now it just, you don't feel safe going through there. And there's tents literally everywhere. People are on fentanyl all over the place, walking around like zombies. They've destroyed that once very beautiful city. And here's the thing about feeling safe. There's this. There's this, I forget the name of the guy. Anyway, the basic things of civilization that you need. And the very first one is safety, that feeling of safety. Before you can have a good life, go to work, you know, build something, safety. And yet you don't have that in Portland.

And, you know, I talked to one woman, a gorgeous Farrah Fawcett, blonde lawyer, had operated downtown for a good 20 years. And she's assaulted, broad daylight, walking from her parked car to the old. office. She was so upset about it. She never went back again. It happened one year after a friend of hers was assaulted by a guy downtown who threw a big canteen at her head and knocked her out. And, you know, then it turns out I talked to people there. They said, oh, no, the crime risk is not just downtown. It's in every neighborhood. There's homeless people on the streets. There's 40% I think of the fires are started by homeless people accidentally or otherwise. It's just a mess

all the way around. So one guy comes along, political operative Dan Levy, who's a star of the book, and he says, why don't we spend an extra $50 million a year on cops? We're at 1993 levels, 1.2 cops per 1,000. Let's make it 2.2. With $50 million, we can do that. Raise the 800 cops on our force to 1,200, 50 percent, and start preaching safety for the the streets, then another guy there, a developer, John D. Lorenzo says, if we can make people feel safe, we'll have the best turnaround story. The media will catch on to it. Finally, people start coming back instead of people streaming out and leaving. Something like 40% of Portlanders told the Oregonian survey, oh yeah, we think we're going to be leaving here within

five years. It's a best and crime. And what happens when they propose, well, where's the 50 million going to come from well there's this Portland clean energy fund a special climate change tax because we're going to fight climate change and they thought it would bring in 60 million dollars a year it brings in 200 million dollars a year by the time my book went to press and came out in april there was a 700 million dollar surplus that they couldn't even spend yet okay so let's take 50 million a year from that fund and do you know that the coalition of communities of color A group of two dozen minority organizations came out and hired lawyers to sue to block this proposal to increase police by 50%. Now, why would communities of color, which are bigger exposure to crime?

More crime happens there, and minorities are victims more often of crime. Why would the coalition of communities of color come out against this? let's have more cops there. And it's because it turns out a dozen of their member groups, these minority groups, black business owners, whatever, they got grants for fighting climate change. Okay, there's a, let's give half the price to cover of electric cars to 40 black business owners in Portland.

So they, we could reduce carbon emissions. That ridiculous argument, right? It's just a giveaway, okay? And because 11 or 12 of those organizations and the Cs, DCC got grants from this thing. They opposed the idea of hiring more cops by taking 50 million out of it. When the thing's bringing in 200 million a year. It's a rather interesting conflict of interest, isn't it?

I would say so, and this is why you always tell people follow the money, right? Because you're going to find the source of the corruption, and there it is right there. By the way, do you know where follow the money started? where that phrase first took hold. Was that G. Everett Griffin, the creature from Jekyll Island? No. No, it's all the president's men, okay, Robert Redford's in an underground garage in the darkness with deep throat, played by Hal something, famous actor, and he says, follow the money.

And the thing is, that movie was based on the Woodward Bernstein book. You know, I worked for Woodward as an intern at the Wall Street Journal at the Washington Post, four years after that right basically okay and that line never appears in the book deep throat never said it so a Hollywood scriptwriter wrote that line that we still quote now 50 years later I dream of doing something like that that sticks with you because it was not only a great line it was a great advice for how to follow politics wasn't it my gosh imagine being the guy who wrote that. You know, I got to find out who it is so I can actually give him credit. He may be dead now, but those words live on. And any journalist, any writer, any podcaster,

any politician, dreams of coming up with that, you know? I would definitely agree with that. You know, returning back to Oregon here, though, it's, it really makes me sad because the Pacific Northwest, as far as natural beauty goes, It's unmatched anywhere in the world, the mountains, the trees, the water is so clear and pure. The Oregon beaches are unlike any beaches you're going to go to, ladies and gentlemen. There's such a contrast that the water's cold, I will say that. But there's such a beautiful contrast with the pines and the beaches. It's just absolutely gorgeous, and people don't want to go there anymore.

It's downright intoxicating, so much so that if you're there and you've been in that environment for that long, No matter how upset you might get watching the local news on the, you know, socialist-dominated Portland City Council passing yet another stupid rule. No matter how upset you get, you walk outside instantly. You're in beauty. And it's like, you know, natural air conditioning. And they like to say that in Portland, two hours away, there's the beach. You can go surfing on the Pacific coast. Two hours over there.

You can go skiing in the mountains and in the snow. And then there's the ranches and the desert land, the beautiful painted desert stuff. Yeah, but you know what? I think it really does stop people from pushing back and stopping bad things from happening. That, you know, they don't stand up and make themselves heard. There's this protocol known as Portland Polite in Oregon Nice. And people look at scantz if you dare stand up and criticize, which makes it hard to run against the Democrat's super majority. And it's just leaving the state off a cliff. I mean, ridiculous pension obligations because of the unions.

the unions dominate that government? I mean, my gosh, what can you do to stop this, to change this? And, you know, if Oregon were to elect its first Republican governor since the election of 1982, this would send a stark message to the Democrat Party in the state to stop being so damn crazy. But more than that, it would send a message around the country to other blue states and blue cities. You've gone too far. You've lost sight of sanity. You know, in Oregon, the people have been an insane environment for so long that they no longer are able to recognize sanity.

It's why I, the Brooklyn, outsider, have come in to call it out for them. There was an experiment you know about probably called the Rosenhan experiment in 1970s. They put plants, you know, shills who pretend to be crazy, and 11 insane asylums. Can doctors diagnose sanity in an insane environment? And pretty much they failed utterly. They could not pick out the dupes who were pretending to be crazy, even though some of them were psychologists and psychiatrists. And so in Oregon, yeah, people stopped calling out insanity.

But now there's this pushback, right? Look what happened in the May, is it May primary? This proposal on there, the governor pushed through an emergency tax increase, $4 billion over 10 years for the Department of Transportation. roads are just falling apart. Really, it was just a big gift to the union. She called an emergency session to get it done. It passes.

250,000 voters sign a petition saying, Bull, put this on the ballot so we can vote against it. And then 83% of the voters in the primary vote against it. An amazing outcome that shows that even liberal voters are sick of this. It's gone too far. And yet, what is the city council doing? Oh, they've just outlawed foie gras. Oh, they've just passed a lawmaking, you know, illegal to discriminate against people who are polyamorous.

How about if you're polyamorous, you just kind of keep it to yourself? You won't face any discrimination at all. That's so true. Yeah. I'm so glad you brought up this Republican governor because the people of Oregon actually have an opportunity here. And it's going to be kind of wild, sir, if all of a sudden we have a bunch of people who drive Subaru outbacks and have their septum pierced voting for a Republican governor, but it could happen, but there is some... She's a woman.

She's for a woman. Christine Drazen, the feisty little redhead. She could use a voice coach, okay, for a little more cronkite gravitous rather than, oh, she sounds like a, you know, 19-year-old college freshman or something. But her ideas are sound, but she has to run carefully. She can't, you know, run against Trump because you've got to respect the president and he's in your party. And yet she feels like I'll bet, or advisor.

feel like she dare not embrace Trump too hard. Never mind that in 2024, President Trump got more votes in Oregon than Governor Kotech got to win office as a Democrat in 2022. You know, 40% of the electorate, probably if you count independence there, lean right rather than left and let you never know it because of the same gerrymandering that other red states do. Sure, but she's not getting the support. You and I were talking off camera here.

She's not getting the support from the RNC. Where is the Republican National Party on this? And why aren't they? And is it simply because she doesn't embrace Trump enough? And yet you guys are missing it. You know, Christine Drazen is actually a few points ahead in the polls. The Democrats have had majorities in both houses of the legislature for 20 years. They've had a super majority, 60% for 10 years.

And in that time, things have gotten worse and worse. Tina Kotech is vulnerable. The Oregonian ran a survey showing that even in the Portland area where she represented for 15 years in the state house, she's got falling support, low approval ratings, as bad as Trump's, I'm sure. And yet, where is the Republican Party? Where is the Republican Party even in Oregon? They're so weak. They've been number two for so long. It is as if they're like, I've said this before, but I repeat myself, and so why not?

They're the Washington generals who get paid thousands to lose every game to the Harlem Globe Trotters. You know, they're number two. Why try harder? They're happy to be feeded the same troth. And that's kind of a reflection of what it's like in Washington. I can't believe how little the Republican Party has done with supposed control of both houses. You know, Trump has done it all on his own and without much help from them because they hate them too. They fear them.

They're waiting for them to leave the National Party longtime insiders. They don't realize that this revolution will go on long after Trump is gone. I wrote, I helped, I'm supposed to say, I helped write a book called The Trump Century by Lou Dobbs, the longtime anchor. I love that man, passed away. He came out in 2020 before the election, and it argued that whether Trump wins or loses, his revolution is taken hold, and for decades to come, we will be having debates that are centering around the agenda that Trump set.

And that was very prophetic and prescient. And that is what's happened. The Trump agenda is the only agenda America has. The only agenda the Democrats have is to oppose the Trump agenda. And now because they've been stuck in their heels, caught back on their heels, wherever that cliche saying is, you know, the Democrats are being kind of taken over by a bunch of crazy socialists. It's unbelievable. The tent is so big, yeah.

that the Muslim socialists will be overtaking your entire agenda soon. You're absolutely right. Actually, I was going to ask you about that because, you know, Oregon definitely has a reputation, especially Portland, for these pretty hardcore crazy Marxists. And currently, the Democrat Party is experiencing quite a problem. And you're seeing the establishment that is, they're not willing to come out and say anything against them, but they sure are working behind the scenes to try to stem this flow of the Democratic Socialists of America.

Are we going to see where, is the Democrat Party going to fall? Is it going to fracture? Is there going to be two parties coming out of this? I mean, Caleb, hasn't it arguably already fallen? You have leaders like AOC and Chuck Schumer saying it's a big 10, we can accommodate socialists. It used to be that Bernie Sanders was the only avowed socialist, and he was kind of cute. Oh, he's in his 80s.

Not to worry. He's just an old man. He's, he's, he had maybe a beer too many. But the people the Democrats are electing are dangerous. They are, they are truly crazy. And I can't believe that the Democrats are voting for them. And the old Democrats are terrified of the young. And so they're giving them a certain amount of leeway, a certain amount of rope.

But my gosh, you watch, they're going to primary Schumer with AOC. And so he's going to lose. We keep, I mean, New York just elected three, I think Muslim socialists are something, they're likely to win seats in Congress. And yet, Muslims keep saying out loud that they want to take over America, that every home will be Muslim. You know, they've got this, I don't see a whole lot of pushback from Muslims saying, no, we don't feel that way in the same way that I think it was three Democrats in the House

came out in Washington and said, hey, man, heck, we were not socialists. We are capitalists. We believe in this country in the Constitution. And something like 220 hundred Democrats said nothing. They didn't say, yeah, us too, because they're afraid. You cowards? You know, how is it that we let in New York City a Muslim socialist become mayor of the most capitalist city of the world with one million Jews in it? And it's because they have one million Muslims.

and they elect a guy who resents Israel. He probably resents Jews. And do you know that these congressional socialists who got the Democrat nomination? I looked at it in a couple areas. One candidate, she got 8% of the registered Democrat voters in her district, 8% because everybody stayed home. It's our own damn fault, but we aren't waking up enough.

And you're not allowed to argue against Muslim candidates by saying, look, the Muslim faith is antithetical to American freedoms in the Bill of Rights. Okay, Sharia, all that stuff is antithetical. You're not allowed to say that because you will be accused of Islamophobia, which is a made-up offense. It turns out attacks on Muslims in America, or it's something like one-third the rate of attacks on Jews. So shut up about it.

It's a made-up thing that just never happened. I'm allowed to oppose your religion if it wants to overtake my country, that wants to throw out my constitution. I'm allowed to oppose a religion without being Islamophobic. There's no Islamophobic about it. It's a very real concern and not enough people are standing up.

Only Ted Cruz just the other day talked about this overlap on bedfellows of socialists and Muslims. Because really what's going to happen is when Muslims can take over, they will stamp out the socialists. If those socialists are unwilling to convert

to Muslimism. Exactly. What is going on? Look at what's happened to the UK. We're not going to let this happen here. We cannot let this happen. Amen to that. I completely agree.

Is this the natural progression, though? I mean, we used to have the so-called blue dog Democrats, the JFK Democrats, and JFK would probably not be accepted in the today's Democrat Party. Let us remember that when JFK ran for president, a big issue was, wait a minute. You're Catholic. Yes. Your religion is an issue because what if you're just going to obey the Pope? And Kennedy was so good looking and smooth.

Then he managed to sidestep that. But it was okay for us to question whether a Catholic can be trusted. I think the issue might even come up with Joe Biden at the time. It's just that the guy's supporting abortion. So let's forget him, you know, about whether he's any kind of devout Catholic, not worry about that. But if we're allowed to do that for Catholics, we can sure as hell do that with Muslims. And Tom Bacill is a Newsmax anchor. I'm on Newsmax three times a week happily. Love that place for putting me on. Tom Baciel wrote a column in the Washington Times questioning whether Muslim congressional candidates who win elections can be seated because when they take the oath of office, they are supposed to pledge their fealty above all to the country and the Constitution.

And yet, how can a Muslim candidate do that if they want every household to be Muslim? that's what the Muslims who are having mass prayer in Times Square. Why? You've got mosques all over the city. What kind of show of force and strength are you trying to muster here? That's what they say. They want every household to be Muslim. Yeah, it's an invasion.

Baptists want every household to be Baptist. It's just that they don't, you know, they allow to live and let live. They just tell you, hey, if you don't accept Jesus, you're going to hell. But then they don't do anything about it. Yeah, they don't force that upon it. people. Yeah, that is really the difference between Christianity and Islam there is, yes, as a Christian, I want every single person to come to the knowledge and saving grace of Jesus Christ, but I'm not going to tell you that if you don't convert, then I'm going to cut off your head.

Right. I will tell you that you're going to go to hell. I'm a fan of 90-day fiancé, okay? I just love that show. You and my wife, man, you and my wife. You know what? I want to do a story on it. the GDP of 90-day fiancé. It's bigger than law and order. It's bigger than CSI. I mean, they've got, and they stick with their, you know, I've known some of these people now watching them for 10 years, okay?

And you don't have that in any other reality franchise. But anyway, why did I bring that up? Because, oh, a woman, the mother of the American, you know, tells them, well, if you don't accept Jesus, you're going to go into hell. And the bride's wearing, well, and he's from England, and he's not religious at all. And the bride's saying, well, if I'm in heaven and he's in hell, how are we going to be together? I mean, honey, that is so far away to worry about, you know.

But yeah, it is a damning, rather arrogant view for Christians to think that you're going to hell. I know they're trying to encourage people to accept Christ. But you're right. The nonviolent approach is so much more preferable, isn't it? It is. And, I mean, that's really the backbone of our country. the establishment of the republic. I came across a stunning stat that you may already know, Caleb,

just the other day I was doing research. How many terrorist attacks by Muslims have there been on people in the world? And in the last, I think, 20 or 40 years or something, it's like 33,000 incidents, attacks, bombings, terrorists, 33,000. And yet we're supposed to worry about Islamophobia? That's not a phobia. Yeah, phobia is a, what is it? It's an ungrounded fear.

Yeah. There's a very real reason for fear. There is. And the extreme left would say that Christianity is a bigger danger, that Christianity is engaged in more violence throughout history than Islam. And just the facts don't back it up. Spitting my face and tell me it's raining. They think they can get away with that, in part because they have most of the media on their side promulgating their message. I don't recognize the media anymore.

I was a journalist for 40 years, but Trump broke them, and now they've gone so far, they're so embarrassed that they cannot afford to skin it back. So a lot of them won't cover the Fauci hearings where we realize that Fauci was a liar and an ego megalomaniac, and they don't cover any of that. But it's because they made him a God during their coverage of him. They embraced the bat theory over the, oh, there's a Wuhan virus lab right there where the virus began. Not the lab. No, absolutely not. They're so embarrassed that they now can't go back and admit that they're wrong. You're absolutely right.

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All right, with that, let's go back to our guest, Dennis Neal, author of the Oregoners. And we're having just a wonderful conversation so far about really kind of fixing some of the ills, the errors in what we're experiencing culturally. This rise in Islam, this rise in Democratic Socialists of America, what's wrong with the state of Oregon and so many other states as well in this union? I had to interrupt you, sir, but please keep going. Well, it's great to keep talking. Although it does occur to me that if this is a conversation rather than an interview, I should be doing a lot more listening. And I always aim to listen more than I speak. But then when you do video hits and you're on TV, you're kind of supposed to speak a lot. So where were we? Well, the whole Muslim is something. It really is a worry. And when you look at what's happened to the UK, I think they have 30 mayors or something or even more. that are run by Muslim mayors. And you look at Birmingham, Michigan, or you look at the Somalis in Minnesota. Or what just happened in Spain, sir?

Spain was just invaded. But why did our immigration czars make it okay for thousands of Somalis to all settle only in one area, so much so that they can take over politically? And then some of them take part in literally billions of dollars in fraud. God, what the heck is going on there? And by the way, God bless Elon Musk. You know, I also wrote the book, The Leadership Genius of Elon Musk.

It came out in early 2025, 11 lessons of Elon for a better life and career. Okay. And thank God he came along and got involved in that election for 2024 and opened up that platform to be the freest in the world and stopped censoring thousands of views that millions of Americans have the right to hear Okay, because now you do have a chance to hear the truth. It's just that there's only 100 million Americans on the X platform out of 340 million in the country. And yet that's the only place where you can get an unfiltered version.

You can see all kinds of rival views. People think it's all conservative. My feed is filled with so many ridiculous liberal views, liberal politicians. I mean, there's plenty of pink-haired liberals still skewing that algorithm at that company. and yet it is so much freer than anywhere else. We've got to get educated. You know, I say stuff in bookmark files. I cannot believe how much the climate change movement,

the scam, is being utterly dismantled and defenestrated. That means thrown out the window on the X platform. Some of the voices coming in with scientifically valid points, just incredible. It's all been nothing more than a big wealth transfer. It's part of the same socialist Muslim cabal. It's just the whole crazy left. And look how the Republicans have a couple of 100 million, I think, or something in their campaign coffers.

And the Democrats had to put up their building to borrow $15 million. They're bordering on bankruptcy. Where are your donors? It's bankrupt them. Yeah. I mean, that's the solution right there. Yeah, I mean, I want to go back to Oregon, actually. It's because U.S. AID funding stopped.

That's exactly right. But yeah, I want to go back to Oregon. I mean, here I am. I'm in Washington state, and I'm sure you've seen the news. I'm in Spokane, Washington. Spokane, Washington is currently on fire. There are three major fires, 65,000-plus people that have had to flee their homes. I think we're at almost 800 buildings, homes that have been destroyed by this fire. Oregon experience is the same thing. It's because of the climate change. As you just pointed out, there's all this timber out here, and we can't go in there. We can't. do forest management. We cannot log them. What's happening? It's because of the climate change agenda. And now we're experiencing wildfires every single year. Yes. And I have some amazing string in my book Oregoners on this incredible. Let me grab some of this. And just unbelievable how crazy some of this is. That, you know, my Elon book, less than 11 in my Elon book says, because they got it from Elon, is that the most likely outcome in life is the most ironic one, the most opposite of what you expect it happened or tried to make happen. So these environmental regs come in to protect the forest, but they then make it illegal to log the forest

and take out logs that have fallen. Those logs that fall end up drying out and turn into Tinder for fires. So these regulations are aimed at protect. trees, they lead to fires that if you go up in a plane, you can see that the fires stop at privately managed land because they're taking stuff out. But if the government land is protected to save the spotted owl, because of that, you see the fires end up devastating. And today, in Oregon, two out of every three trees are dying from bugs or fires. So that's one thing. So the opposite outcome of these regulations to protect the forest.

The second thought is in the 1990s is when they did all this, the Endangered Species Act and the No Logging, to save the spotted owl, 14,000 birds, stupid, fluppin' birds. If you're not strong enough to survive, then go out of existence. Thousands of species go out of existence over the years anyway. 99.9% of all species on Earth have gone out of existence. Why? Are we moving heaven and earth to save this stupid flopping bird?

So 14,000 today, 2,500. All that devastation. 40,000 jobs in the timber industry lost. Men who have had entire life. It was never working. Their kids, not even seeing their fathers go to work. You know, social NGOs employ 16% of the people in those counties, of the men in those counties because there's nothing else for them to do.

All to save a bird that went down to 2,500 because of the bard owl that came in and raped in pillage and took it over. You guys were arrogant and stupid to think you could control climate. But more than that and the environment, more than that, you never cared about the bird anyway. You just wanted to stop logging because logging's bad. But here's the final thing. Can you riddle me this, Dennis, too, by the way, I hate to interrupt here. But these leftists, I thought they believed in evolution.

I thought one of the main tenets of evolution was survival of the fittest. No. No, the leftists believe in survival of the lazy. and that everybody gets an equal share equity, even though they didn't work for it. But here's the quota to all this. These wildfires put out carbon emissions. So the wildfires that are fueled by environmental regulations trying to save the environment, they put out carbon emissions.

In 2021, this is literally in a research paper, an environmental journal, and came out in 2022. In 2021, California wildfire season, it put out 127 million metric tons. of carbon emissions. How much is that? Well, in two decades of California carbon regulation, they saved 65 million metric tons. That's half as much as the wildfires put out

in a matter of weeks in the wildfire season. So all of those regulations and caps and restraints and mileage requirements and all of that was for nothing. And you arrogant bastards think that you can actually stop the environment from spewing carbon emissions into the air. It was for nothing. And then two years later in 23, it happened again. Double the savings in two decades of carbon regulation. That gives the lie to climate change, how stupid all of it is, how arrogant it is. The earth is almost four billion years old. The thought that in a hundred years, man has come along and utterly altered the future of the planet and put it at risk in a hundred years.

Oh, my gosh. Bull and shame on you for being so arrogant as to believe that and to argue that. You were just feathering your own nest and getting billions and billions of dollars that you're bringing in and diverting over for a stupid cause that was never going to work anyway. I want to ask you a question, something that a lot of people have been kind of beating their chests on. There's this mass migration movement that is occurring within these blue states where the conservatives are moving out in droves. They're going to Florida. They're going to Tennessee. They're going to Texas. And the conservatives, the Republicans have been saying, man, this is going to make it to where, you know, Washington, Oregon, California, they stay blue forever. We'll never see any change.

And yet, with your research, you're pointing out that this candidate for governor in Oregon has a real shot that she's actually up in the points. Is it because the people, I guess because the conservatives fled and it allowed the state to get even crazier? All of a sudden, people are like, no, we can't do this anymore. Well, here's the thing. It's not just conservatives that are fleeing. These are economic refugees. And liberals are just as hurt by their own liberal policies as conservatives are. And lots of them are leaving.

In fact, what some red states are worried about is that the influx of these ridiculous libs are going to change their political context and that they'll end up voting in the very same policies that they are fleeing. One example is look at in Texas. There's one, Austin, super blue, ridiculously blue, so much so that a conservative friend of mine had to flee the city and move 120 miles away because she was so sick of it. You know, in fact, even some liberals, one real estate guy I talked to, had a liberal got our home, and she wanted to move there because they're so blue. And then, boom, year and a half later, she says, put my house up for sale. I can't take it. It's ridiculous. I got to leave here.

So liberals are leaving, too. And the economist, Steve Moore, came out with this number in a 10-year period into 2022. So that's even before Trump came back, okay? collective income of $2 trillion in that period moved from blue states, boom, into red states. Florida, where I moved to, was $1.2 trillion of that $2 trillion total. That's what conservative policies can do for an economy. You know, in Florida, the state budget has now gone down four years in a row, and they have a voter proposal in November to cut property taxes entirely on 30% of homes, and then

60% a year later, incredible stuff going on. And Oregon is going ahead in the wrong direction. Now you talk to people there and you ask what will change it? And they say, they talk about it like an addict. And they say, you've got to hit total bottom, total humiliation. We haven't gone there yet. Now they're on their way, but there's a real pushback happening. And I'm hoping that my book can help feed it. Yeah, I would agree. Not just Oregon. I want to see it in Washington state as well. In fact, I would encourage, you know, the bulk of my audience is going to be in Washington State. Hey, read this book because the same principles that the author is applying to Oregon, they apply to Washington State as well. And perhaps we are. Perhaps we're hitting that rock bottom

to where people are, they don't want to go to Seattle. They don't want to go to Portland because they don't feel safe because they don't want to bring their kids around a bunch of drug addicts and tents all over the place. I hope that the rock bottom doesn't hurt. I mean, I know it's going to hurt. But I hope that we're able to recover from it, I guess, is what I'm trying to say. You know, the thing that makes me an optimist, and let's remember that capitalism is optimism monetized. You invest because you believe in the future. And I'm optimistic about the ability for a city and a state to come back because the economy moves faster than ever before. technological advances on the internet and with AI give us more potential to catch up than ever before.

Even in a market crash, you know, the big crash in 29, it took like 20 years to get back. Okay, today you recover in two years because everything moves faster. Information is everywhere. So I'm optimistic about it. It's just that, yeah, that gets hard, that gets hard on some people. You know, Oregon is controlled by the unions. And so even if they elect a Republican governor, the unions are really a big problem. And I'm not talking about private sector unions, construction, or something like that.

Do you know that private sector unions represent only 7% of the private economy? Government unions represent 40% of all government workers. government workers should not have a union at all. You've got taxpayer money. It's an utter conflict of interest. And I was told by a Democrat operative that in the fall, SEIU government union, leaders walked into Governor Kotech's office with a several inches thick book and says, here's your state budget for the next two years.

And I've heard that when you are newly elected Democrat to the state legislature, your first day in office, the union shows up. here's your chief of staff. Unions are uncapped in their ability to donate to political campaigns. They gave $6 million to Tina Kotech in 2022 is more than any other sector. Now there's new caps coming in 27, 2027, but they're way too high. They're like you can give $13,000 or something or $35,000. I forget the figures.

But they're trying to fix it and still they aren't fixing it enough. And the unions are just going to bankrupt the state. I would completely agree. Well, we are winding down right towards the end of the show. I want to plug your website, Oregonersbook.com. Chris is going to bring that up. You can see it right here. But, sir, tell people why they should order your book.

You know what? Because Oregon is a canary in the coal mine. It's a petri dish for blue states everywhere, and they're headed in the wrong direction. And Oregon is a case example with real proofs. So please buy it on Amazon. I need the money. Thanks so much for your time. And follow me on X.

All right. Excellent. Yeah, definitely follow this man on X. Dennis Neal. You can see him right there on X. But go to the website, ladies and gentlemen, Oregonersbook.com. I look forward to reading this book. It seems right up my alley.

And I love the cover of the saying goodbye, the kids. Like, it's kind of a sad thing that we're leaving Oregon. So, yeah, it's been an absolute pleasure having you on the show, sir. I'm going to go ahead and close us out. If you hold on one more minute post-production to say her goodbye, I'd appreciate it. But again, thank you for your work and thank you for joining us on Church and State. Thanks so much. Have a glorious day, Caleb.

Thank you, sir. All right, ladies and gentlemen, there you go. A fantastic book, a canary in the coal mine. I absolutely love that. We can look at this. We can look at this in Oregon. We can look at this in Washington and say, hey, is it time? Have we hit that rock bottom point?

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