The Prepper Broadcasting Network - Church & State -Radiant Mobile with Chris and Paul

Episode Date: April 16, 2026

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Bokane Valley could become a sanctuary city of a different kind. Thank you, Caldeman, Caleb Collier, says that this proposal. I'm proposing that the city of Spokane Valley issue of proclamation stating that our city is a Second Amendment sanctuary. Today on Church and State, the first Christian mobile carrier, Radiant Mobile. Hello Christian Patriots and welcome to Church and State, where we drive morality and religion over tolerance and apathy. And I'm your host, Caleb Collier, once again, your favorite far-right shock jock, and the show that talks about politics and religion, Jesus Christ is our referee, so it's always nice and clean. Real quick, I'm going to point you to church and state.media, so you can do a number of

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and also Chris Clemiss. Paul is actually the title founding managing member, but he's the founding managing member of IT mobile platforms. He's also globally recognized talent manager, producer, media entrepreneur, and television personality, whose clients have generated over 350 million dollars in advertising and brand campaigns. Chris is the chief operating officer and is a mission-driven executive and worship leader, serving 20 years in the ministry dedicated to advancing gospels through operational excellence, media, innovation, and Christ-centered leadership. Gentlemen, it is an absolute pleasure to have you both on the show. Thank you, Caleb. God bless you, brother.

Absolutely, yeah. So... Honored to be here. Oh, yes. Thank you, Chris. Appreciate that. So Radiant Mobile, I think this is an idea that will interest a lot of my audience. For far too long, we really haven't had too many options out there. You got T-Mobile, AT&T, and Verizon. Sprint went the way of the do-do. You do have alternatives like Pure Talk and Patriot Mobile, but this is the, you guys are saying you are the first fully Christian mobile carrier. Chris? Yeah, there's a distinction with us that I think we've got to make clear or Jesus centric and that's that's no shade on anyone or anything else we just really felt even with what we did here on our soft launch on on Easter 24 hours of Jesus we didn't mention

our mobile plan we didn't have any sales we just really wanted to honor the centrality and the supremacy of who Jesus has been to us and the scriptures and so that's a pretty strong distinction as a motivating factor to have our content. But that's not even what we're the most excited about, at least for me, and that is an honor to share that part of it. But our safety and our filtering program that's going to protect Christian families in a way that is extremely practical. One thing I would love your listeners to hear is we don't believe what we're the answer,

but we're a practical solution to a spiritual problem. We know that Jesus is the answer, but for far too long, families, I'm a parent of six kids myself, have been struggling behind the advances of the enemy and the dark force that's on the internet. And we feel powerless. And so we want to put practical control tools back into the hands of families. And certainly admirable right there. Paul, was there anything you wanted to add to that?

Well, yes, we do believe that we are the first ever Christian mobile plan. brought to you by a company called Compacts, and we're on the T-Mobile Network, which is very humbling. And I spent about a year of my life banging down the door of the largest telecommunications companies in this country, begging them on my hands and my knee, saying, you guys have the ability to filter out inappropriate content, pornography, hate speech, bullying, anti-Semitism, racism, at the sea level, at the tower. And for 12 months, Caleb, they laughed at me. Twelve months and a day later,

they approved to allow our cybersecurity company to come in and actually, with the choice of the subscriber, be able to block inappropriate content at the tower, at the sea level, which is a very profound statement to be able to make because there's apps out there that you could bypass and get around. But we have the ability to block horrific, harmful content at the pipe, at the network level. And that's something we're very, very proud of, Kaylee.

Sure. So let's break this down for the audience, because I think we're talking at kind of higher levels here. Number one, you guys aren't building your own carrier system. That would take billions of dollars. You're piggybacking off of the existing carrier systems, which, namely are T-Mobile, Verizon and AT&T. And so you've gone to T-Mobile,

you're piggybacking off of them, but through your tech, through your software, you're able to block some of the things that, you know, it's going to be up to the consumer, but what they don't want, especially their kids, to have a hand on. That's exactly correct. There's an acronym out there called MD&O, mobile virtual network operator, MD&O, and that's what the Mint Mobiles is, or the Patriot Mobiles or the peer talks, are their MD&Os. They sit right underneath the major telecommunications company. So that's exactly correct. We are on a major

telecommunication carriers network, which is team mobile. We offer our services. Our big differentiator is we have filtering systems put in there in place for the Christian community, parental control features, geolocation, geofencing, filtering process at the highest level, never been done before. And then we fill that void with educational, inspirational, powerful, Jesus-centric Christian content. Sure. And that really sounds good. It's really interesting to me because Team Mobile is actually headquartered here in Washington State over on the Seattle side. And they're a very, very liberal company when it comes down to. They're promoting things that as Christians we don't agree with.

And yet I guess it's in this case, maybe it's movement of the Lord or maybe it's money talks. But they've agreed to allow you to be on their network pushing Radio Mobile. Chris? Yeah, yeah. I think it's a very interesting question. to try to answer in a way that your listeners would really, really follow. You know, content is something that is a strategy that we've taken that is not really out there in the mobile plan network.

The main differentiator right now is price and gigabytes. And part of our strategy is to bring more value. Not only the safety and security, which, by the way, none of this costs the subscriber any more money. whatever you're paying with T-Mobile now you slide over to RADION with a three-minute make a switch video and you can do that right from your desktop from our website. The point is we've got to find a way and I think T-Mobile would love to see a way where content and value really thrive and not just the differentiator of price and gigabytes

retain subscribers. All these carriers are after retention. Their turn and burn rates are very high, and we're hoping to be a practical solution to make subscribers want to stay and not just have to choose something that's based on price or gigabytes. Sure. So I would imagine the process as a newer MVNO, as you just go to Team Mobile or Verizon, whoever it is, as somebody says that they want to go to Radio Mobile, you just basically tell them, hey, we're taking over this phone number. Is that the correct process? Absolutely. It's a very quick process.

Literally, three minutes. You can move your carrier from AT&T, Verizon over to us at Radiant Mobile and keep your and keep your cell phone number.

You could be on a contract there, though. You know, and some people are with AT&T and Verizon. They're on like a six-month contract. So you won't be able to get out of your contract, but what will happen is that our app, which has all the content

and our telecommunications partners always laugh at us because it's an app that's actually built in to the network. So it's not really an app, because all the cybersecurity features, all the parental control features, everything is actually built in to the actual network.

So you can't get our content without being a part of the mobile plan. That's in a possibility, with one exception. If you are with AT&T and you are with Verizon, whenever you can start getting our content tomorrow immediately, right away. But you can only get the cybersecurity features once your contract runs out with AT&T and Verizon.

that's when you actually get the full picture, our full security protective features. Okay, understood on that part. So, yeah, it sounds like there's an app that people can download and they can access all the stuff that you're doing. And I wanted to move into that, and then we'll go into the security stuff. But you guys are doing a lot with, like, biblical stories, things that actually edify the family. kids can get on here and I believe I saw that yeah here it is right here you you actually can have like snow white like some of the most beloved Disney princesses I've got a daughter myself who's nine she loves the Disney princesses but you're going to have access to this but it's not going to have any of the the woke stuff that so many of the Christians shake their fists at if I may Chris if I may sir a hundred percent it's something we're so proud of first of all we are the only company in the world for our

partnership with a company called Elf Labs that has the rights to as you just mentioned Caleb Snow White Pinocchio Little Mermaid Tinkerbell Rapunzel Huckleberry Finn etc etc and the goal of Elf Labs and the goal of our company is to bring those characters back to where they originally started in a conservative value so we actually have as you could see you saw Caleb John in the Whale Pinocchio Snow White Cinderella narrating the greatest Bible stories of all time They're telling Adam and E. They're telling Joan in the Whale. They're telling Noah's art. And it's really powerful to hear that through Tinkerbell or through Cinderella.

The other thing we're doing, just FYIs, we have A-list artists at the highest level music artists, actually singing songs in these Pixar stories that we're doing. So, yeah, we have the ability to tell incredible Bible stories through iconic characters. And then what's really powerful about this, we gamified the whole thing. So in other words, your kids can actually watch these stories, these amazing Bible stories, and then they'll get quizzed and trivia questions about the stories. If they get them right, they can win more screen time. If the teens get their questions right, and these are stories, the teens,

we're telling stories of the teens, of some of the greatest stories never been told. John the Baptist, Simon the Cyrene, Francis of Assisi's, some of the greatest, most part, Joan of Arc, St. Patrick, etc., etc. And we're telling these stories that are so profound. And then we have we've gamified them. If the teens get the stories right, they can win all kinds of amazing Christian products. But what's interesting to us is not just the stories that we're telling, but and because we're non-denominational, we have some great scholars after the stories actually sit on a panel and give their perception and their perspective of that specific story of St. Patrick, of Francis, of

John the Baptist, et cetera, et cetera. And those different interpretations and perspectives of the stories we're telling, they're pretty darn profound. It's pretty incredible to me, honestly. I'm just envisioning my nine-year-old who's listening to a message from the Gospels as read by Cinderella. I think she'd really enjoy that. And I got to say, as well, I like the idea of having different denominational perspectives from some of these scholars. I myself, I'm a Lutheran, the good kind. I always say that. But, you know, I'd like to hear the perspective from a Presbyterian or from a non-denominational pastor if we're doing a panel.

I think that's actually very, very appropriate because I think as people start exploring the different denominations, there's going to be a takeaway of, hey, we agree on a whole lot more than we disagree on. Incredible. If I may say one thing, Chris, we got this thing sent to us the other day, a video from a family that was kicking the tires, checking out the mobile plant. And there was this most amazing, beautiful family. And it was their kids sitting around talking about, I can't remember if it was Jonah and the Whaler, Adam and Eve. But it was amazing to hear what these kids had to say about the content that we're producing. And what's incredible, we're coming out with a new program called Kitchen Table Talk, Kitchen Table Talk. What's the goal of kitchen table talk?

To get families to sit around the kitchen table and talk about Christian stories, talk about Christ's stories, and truly bring it back home, not just in a spiritual, ethereal kind of a way, but a very tangible way to get the families talking about it at the table and conversing with their family, turn off the TV, turn off the iPad,

turn off the cell phone, and actually have a conversation about really, really important biblical stories that can affect our lives. I got to say, I love that. It actually breaks my heart so often how I see parents, I should say. I mean, I get upset when I see it at like a, my wife and I go out to dinner and there'll be two people on a date and they're just on their phones. But even more troubling than that is when the kid is just trying to get their parents' attention and it's just, hold on, hold on. And so to be able to bring back those family conversations centered around the dinner table, I absolutely adore that. Thank you. Thanks, Caleb. Chris? Oh, man, you know, it hits home with me. I've got six kids, man. From age five to I've got an 18-year-old that plays at the University of Houston, volleyball player.

And so I've got three boys and three girls. I've got athletes. Protecting them is important to me. You know, the safety features and the filtering, that's part of it. The bigger sell for me is the fact that it's baked in. into an app, we've changed the infrastructure of how this is done. It's not an app that can be deleted off. And in my application with athletes, if I've got to have a kid, I've got to count on four or five different tracking apps to figure out where my son is who you may not like that I give a phone to a nine-year-old, but we're only, me and my wife don't have any other help. So we've got to know where our kid is just to be able to have an emergency. And so, you know,

there's different scenarios even with families that need practical ways to connect with their children that are safe. You know, I can't avoid the fact that I got to be able to get a hold of this kid. So that's really practical. But the other thing is because our stories are short form. You can watch something in two minutes and have a conversation, no problem. I do it all the time. I pointed my hand right here because school's getting out.

I have a line of about three or four kids. up to 10 that every couple days they knew a new episode is going to come out and they want to watch it at my desk and they want to talk about it and I love that I love the fact that we're able to do that one of the greatest wins for us at Radiant besides people knowing and loving Jesus more will be that we took conversations from the Bible into their home practically and they begin to fellowship around the word of God that would bless me so much as a pastor as a business leader and even as a father to be able to say that's the fruit of what we did. Sure. Yeah, no, absolutely. And you were pointing there. Sorry, I'm guessing that you have a private school, a Christian school. Is that what you're saying there? No, I've got a kid that comes right here to this door. Okay, gotcha. Right to this door. Ready to watch the videos. I love it. Absolutely. Yeah, I wanted to turn this conversation over towards the security side of things, because I think this is going to be interesting for a number of the audience members. Now, you guys run through something called A Lot, correct? Yes. A lot is one of our partners. They're out of Israel. It's one of the top cybersecurity companies in the world. They've been around for 30 years. They have over 30 million subscribers. But their main term function was not so much of what we do. We're kind of a unicorn. Their cybersecurity really focused around fishing, hacking, you know, people trying to get into their financial issues. So really powerful cybersecurity, we turned them into a different direction, into pornography.

to be able to filter out and block that out. If I may, Caleb, in our program, there's five or six hard blocks. They're non-negotiable. We're blocking them. Don't sign up with Radiant. You'll see all kinds of disclaimers in there. Don't sign up with Radiant if you want to look at pornography.

You can't do it. Hate speech, racism. Five or six different blocked, hard block categories. And then everything else, we have 120 other categories that we open up. We believe we want to put the power back into the parents' hands. Let the parents decide what their children should watch and not watch. And that's very controversial.

Some people are kind of saying some interesting things about us, but we believe that the parents should be the teachers, not the government, not the schools, not that the parents should have the final say of what type of content their children are taking a look at. And we've created tools. We have tools that put that power right back into the hands of the parents. Sure. And obviously this is a controversial subject. And, you know, I mean, I'm right there with you as far as the government should not be the teacher. It should be the parents. 100% with you on that. But there is some privacy concerns that could arise from, you know, partnering with a lot, having this to where they're monitoring everything that your phone's doing and can potentially block websites. Like, let's just give a practical, or go ahead. We're not, we're not, we're not, we're not monitoring anything that you do in any level, on any level.

We're not, there's a bunch of apps out there that are great. You know, and I can mention them, cover in eyes, bark, we take our hats off to these guys. You know, we're just different. We're very different than them. We don't do any monitoring, anything on any level. There's no whistleblowing. There's no monitoring on any level. All there is is a filtering process that you, as a parent, can turn on or turn off.

If you want sexuality turned off, turn it off. If you want it turned on, turn it on. What you can't turn on is pornography. What you can't turn on is racism. But we don't monitor you in any way, shape, or form. Not one bit. We're just saying there's content out there. There's hard blocks, very specific hard blocks,

to certain things that I think we can all agree, racism, building a bomb, terrorism, pornography. Those are all things I don't think anybody wants in their consciousness, in their digital lives. But there's other 115 other categories. We have 120 in the total that we leave that out to the parents and let the parents decide what comes in and what comes out. But we do not monitor it in any way, shape, or form.

Okay. I appreciate that very much. So as I'm kind of working through the applications of this, so my kids are doing an assignment on World War II and want to start talking about the rise of the populist, nationalist, Adolf Hitler, right? And, you know, obviously Hitler's a terrible human being. I did some awful, awful things, and I personally think he's burning in hell. But is somebody using Radiant going to be able to go in there and explore, you know, how he was able to rise to power, the different

nuances that were going on, or is some of that going to be blocked? I would say some of that is going to be blocked, absolutely. And then we say to them, go to your desktop, go to your library, go to your iPad. It's easy. It's, it's a lot. It's It's a nuance. It's a fine line. Some categories block a whole array of things and some things get caught up in that array and we had to make some certain decisions because once again we want to be, you know, everything based upon scripture. We want to be everything based upon what the Christian community is looking for. So some beautiful fish, you know, where whales get caught up in the neck that we're casting, it's true. But once again, we put that on to the parent because

we say to the parent, you choose what categories you want blocked for your children and you don't want block for your children. So if the parents happen to choose a category where what you're speaking about is happening to be blocked, it is blocked. But once again, library, desktop, iPad, et cetera, et cetera, they have the ability to go there. But once again, we lay that up 100% up to the parents. Sure. And Chris, I look like you wanted to say something there as well. I'm just thinking of so many different, you know, I understand and appreciate the example. but when you look at some of the glaring statistics from Barna on inadvertent exposure to pornographic material, especially on a mobile device, then I start to go, yeah, that one exception, maybe we look at it a different route.

Maybe we look for that information at a different medium because the reality is there's not really any way to stop this on devices that's practical yet. And I'm telling you, you know, Caleb, if you really look at some of the Barna, studies recently and I understand some of those are smaller sample size under 2000, but it's staggering the amount, especially in the church, inadvertent exposure. And for us, we want to protect people. We want to be able to put control in choice into the hands of the family instead of having them be felt hostage. And every parent has done this, including me. You hand your phone and you're kind of like there's a sinking feeling. Can you imagine having at least some level of security knowing, I know at least this is not happening. So I think that's the other way to look at it.

Are there going to be some inconveniences? Probably, but the risk and the inadvertent exposure is something I'm willing to have an inconvenience on my part, even as a parent. Sure. And certainly, I mean, when it comes to pornography, you're not going to find an advocate in me for pornography. pornography is a horrible evil. It's a it's a it's a bane on the existence of humankind. And there's so many studies of what it's done to literally poison the minds of all people involved in it. So yes, I'm 100% with you on that. But I'm just kind of walking through this in my mind. And you brought up hate speech, for example. Now, hate speech is something that changes, oftentimes changes within administrations. And so what Biden would have called hate speech versus what Trump would call hate speech

are vastly different. How do we ensure as Christians that we can still continue to talk about the evils of homosexuality when the government might say that that is hate speech? Yeah. We, we, once again, I want to say this very clearly, it's not, what we've built is not perfect. It'll never be perfect, but I say with my humble heart, it sure is better than anything that's out there on the marketplace today. And there's going to be some holes in our process, absolutely, and we're going to develop over time. We're coming out with things, you know, senior secure for our elderly people, anti-bullying technology that we're putting into the system. And we'll continue to evolve the system as much as we possibly can. But there's,

there's no doubt about it. You know, we've been having deep discussions about that exactly what You just talked about the LGBT community, the trans community, and there's some deep, deep conversations going on about that. And we were very hard-lined about it, and sometimes we're softening up a little bit about it, too. We have a category called sexuality, where the LGBT and trans community live inside that community. We fought for months with our telecommunications partners and ourselves and our pastors. didn't fight with our pastors, but listened to it, listen to our spiritual teachers,

and came up with some ideas of just letting the parents choose certain things and not choose certain things. We're hard-blocking certain things for kids and teens and allowing parents to make other decisions for that. So we know it's not going to be a perfect science. And you're asking brilliant questions, brilliant questions. But we also have to say that what we believe personally is one thing, what we're building for the Christian community, you know, which is 175 million believers across the country, we're not going to hear to make everybody happy. And not everybody's going to be happy with some of our decisions.

We know that. We are so clear with that, brother. But at the same time, we believe that we have a system and a technology that is not out there. And at least it gives people the choice to make. And once again, will we get pushed back from press, subscribers? will we be able to pivot certain things? We're going to pivot everything except for one thing being Jesus-centric

and everything has to be a part of the scripture and we'll go down and fighting about it. But we do know there will be some certain things that maybe get by that we're not too happy with, but we're going to do our best to block out as much as we possibly can, sir. Sure, and I can definitely appreciate that.

And we're actually coming up on a hard break here, ladies and gentlemen. So we are going to finish this conversation. We're going to have a lot more to say. And I will just add this as well. Like, I am, you guys know, I'm a free market libertarian. Like, I want you guys to decide what you like. And for some of you, Radiant Mobile is going to be a wonderful, wonderful product for you.

Others, you may not like it, but it's up to the market to decide. And that's something that I will always stand by. So Paul and Chris, thank you so much for your time so far. But I'm looking forward to continuing the conversation on the back end of this. Ladies and gentlemen, I want all of you to be a walking billboard. Some of us don't have platforms such as church and state, but you know what? We can wear T-shirts and engage in great conversations with Christians and Patriots all across the country. Stand Up Now Apparel is the best T-shirts out there.

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cutting people off, but it's the nature of the beast. Anyway, the mic is yours, sir. Man, it's such a polarizing question to ask someone, the question we just had on some of the the different people groups and what they believe. And so on one hand, you know, I'm guilty of putting a standard in front of people that's discriminatory. On another hand, especially in the church and the statistics, now I'm shining a flashlight in an area where the percentage of pastors that are involved, and this is pretty staggering. And I'm not saying that from a place of judgment or trying to put shame on.

on anyone. It's just either way. And so I would just say this man, to anybody listening, you know, lust clearly is not something we should have. Instead of trying to make it a certain brand or a certain function or a certain person in person, let's just target that one, okay? Let's try to figure out a way to remove lust. And then one of the things that any person that really loves the gospel on this program, Romans 1 is where we find a lot of conversation about homosexuality. Do you know how that downward spiral started? Three successive God gave them overs. It wasn't what you think. It's because they didn't glorify God, nor were they thankful. And I really want to focus your listener and people on that. Let's teach people how to glorify God

and be thankful and keep a whole generation out of that downward spiral. I can definitely appreciate that. And the Bible is so clear on so many different occasions. Testament, New Testament, of giving thanks to the Lord, being joyful in the Lord. And I think your product that you're selling here certainly can have applications for the Christian community. And as I said on that outro there, I'm a free market guy. If you like it, get it. If you don't, then don't. And you know what? The market will decide if these two gentlemen are going to be successful. I personally think they probably will because I see a market interest in this. Well, we have a few main goals with our company.

Number one, create a safe place for the Christian community. A safe place for their digital lives, and especially for their children, for the first time ever, where they can know that they can hand their phone to their children and not have their children go down rabbit holes if they don't want them to go down. For the first 12 months, we are based in America, where mobile plan for the United States of America. We also know that 91% of the people in Mexico are Christians. We know that 31% of the people in South Korea are Christians,

and I can name numbers all over the world. And 12 months and a day later, we're moving across, we're moving all over the world. We have relationships with all the telecommunications companies, and that just brings us to goal number two, spread the word of Jesus Christ to every corner of the world, period. two months after we launch cable, which I'm very, very proud to tell you about, we're launching something called phone to home. We have developed a device with our partners that will, it's a device that it's called dot dot,

but it's branded radiant. It will connect to your 5G and your broad brand in your home. And that's that all the, all the cybersecurity and the parental controls that I'm telling you the filtering system is now inside your home, your desktop, your laptop, everything. It's a full 360 solution. to the problem of pornography and these other things that we all know are harmful to the Christian family.

So on one hand, we feel we've built a firewall. We know we've built a firewall at the highest level to keep the garbage out from our Christian brothers and sisters. On the other hand, we know that we're about to... We don't curate content, by the way. We create our own original content. So we're spreading the word of Jesus Christ

into every corner of the world. That is what our program is all about. And as Chris said so eloquently at the beginning, there's no cost. Everything that you're paying T-Mobile today, 30 bucks a month, tomorrow you're paying 30 bucks a month. You're with T-Mobile then, you're still on their exact same service, but you get our cybersecurity, you get our parental control, you get our stories, interviews with the greatest scholars and theologians and church leaders and pastors from each and every denomination.

We have content for everybody. We are a streaming platform of Christian content inside of a firewall. And we're proud of it. We're proud of the movement that's behind us and the excitement that we're generating. Sure. And so it sounds like it's kind of all a cart with the parents primarily in control of what they want their phones to have access to. So I think you said there's 120 different features that they can toggle on or off. Is that correct?

That's exactly correct. There's five that are untogable bull. No, sorry about that. But yeah, pornography, hate speech, racism. You can't you can't unblock those. those are blocked. And once again, you know, at the right at the beginning of your onboarding process, you're saying you're willing, you don't want that content inside your device. You don't want it. It's not coming from us. We're not telling you to do that. If that content is wrong for you,

if right for you, you should be with a different service. But yes, those are five that are there hard blocks. The other 115 categories are completely dependent upon whatever the parent wants. So one of the other things that I think is going to be interesting. I love to hear your take on this, But a lot of times friends will come over, right? And they have their own cell phones. And now the kids might have access to something that's been blocked in their house. But with what the new feature that you were just talking about where it's all inclusive in the home, most of the time a kid comes over, they're going to connect to your internet, right?

To your 5G? Yeah, I love kids. So no worries. But they're going to connect to your internet there. And at that point, that material is going to be blocked even on your friend's phone. Correct. Correct. You know, this is the other thing I think is interesting, and I'm speaking from a place of extreme practicality, okay?

Having a conversation has got to happen in homes around what our kids are looking at. And it's really hard, guys. I mean, I don't know how many has teenagers yet and how many people listening have teenagers, but it's this really awkward conversation that you either have to take it away and make your kid the weird Christian kid that doesn't have a phone. which is cool if that's what you want to do. Or you've got to have some practical way to implement this. And I also want to see families be able to have a real conversation like, listen, this is why we don't look at certain things. We're going with this plan because we're all going to come into some level of accountability with what we're looking at.

And that's you too, dad or mom. You're not going to be able to just make up a category for kids and then say, I get to do whatever I want. I hope there be some level of accountability within the family unit, not from us. We're not trying to do that. We're just trying to start a conversation. And the reason I say it that way, Caleb, is because it's going to have to be an ongoing conversation. I didn't even know until two days ago there's AI porn. I don't even know what that even means.

There's a constantly growing level of darkness and our resilience and our perseverance and our vigilance with our technology is going to constantly have to have a conversation. And Paul and I are on the phone timelessly now, tearing apart categories that nobody else cares about. And so I would say, we cover your prayers. We want to see conversations started in homes and in families, and we want to give them those tools. If you're an alcoholic, Caleb, you want to live across the street from three bars?

No, absolutely not. And we're just going to cut it out. We're just going to make it just, you know, once again, Chris said so eloquently, Caleb, we're not the solution. We are not. We're technology. We're a technology. We know this.

We know the Savior. We know Jesus Christ is the solution. We know that. We're very aware of that. It's not ego here. But we also know that the technology could help. It could assist. It could be a part of the solution.

It could, you know, if you live across the street from that bar, it makes it real tough every time you come home from work, you know? And we're just saying, you know, move. Move into a different rural area where there's not three bars on every single darn corner. That's all it is. That doesn't take a rocket science to figure out that that's going to be a little bit helpful. Sure, no, I absolutely appreciate that. And the logic is sound on that one.

One of my favorite scriptures, actually probably my favorite scripture, is 2 Corinthians 10-5, where we're told to take every thought captive to the obedience of Christ. And, you know, this is a... application that can help with that. There are certain people that, let's just take gambling, for example, right? I can walk into a casino and look at the machines and be like, boy, that seems like a waste of money, you know, because it's not a temptation for me. But there are other people who go in there and, oh my gosh, their eyes dilate, they start sweating. They're getting excited. Like, I got to put a quarter in, right? Maybe those are the

people that don't live near Vegas, right? Or one of these other casinos, right? That's what you're saying is there is an option here through Radiant Mobile that if you don't want this for your family or maybe you struggle with it yourself, hey, maybe operate or maybe get a contract with a company like yours that doesn't give you access to it. That's right. And we're actually saying that to the pastors. We're having some interesting conversation with church leaders.

some are being strong and not cooperating and it's an interesting group of them others are really really behind us some really incredible incredible churches but we always look at the churches who say no not to judge them whatsoever at this moment in time but we look at them and we just say why you know why you know your people with T-Mobile anyways or this or that or anyways why why would you not want to offer this form of protection what is the reason for that in So it's hard because we know we have something that's important. It's a very special type of technology. And I think our content is on another level.

It's powerful the content that we're creating. So why, you know, if you're the head of the church, why would you not want complete pornography just out of the consciousness, out of the airways? Forget the parents just for a minute, forget the parents. The children, why would you not want that? So that gets a little confusing to us at times, but that's, I think they'll come around. God willing, I hope they do.

Yeah, I mean, just playing devil's advocate on that one, obviously the porn issue, no Christian is ever going to defend pornography at all. I think some of the more of the concerns are coming around, some of the hate speech, that issues that that's going to be blocked, and that can, it's kind of fluid, it's kind of a fluid issue on that one. So I can understand why some would have concerns here, you know, coming from a privacy perspective, there might be some issues where I would have more questions about this. But like I said, and keep reiterating, I really leave it to the people. If this is

something that they can appreciate and approve of, then go for it. And if not, if you have the questions, keep doing the research and ultimately come to the decision, are you going to go with them or are you not? That's right. That's right. Yeah, I think just to answer your question. Sometimes people take us in two different categories. Behavior modification is not really even what I'm shooting for, to be honest. It's protection and protection and safety from inadvertent exposure. That's a different thing. And you're talking about a generation that's never had that privilege, unless you went back before phones in general. And so, and I don't even know what that would look like. But I'm just saying there's got to be some way to go, hey, man, if age 13 to 17, 50% of these kids are going to see pornography and 60% of that is inadvertent, that's not a number I can live with.

Okay? And so I'm just trying to figure out ways to help explain to people. It's really less about me trying to control you and more about me trying to give an option for you to have some level of authority. It'd be like having a, if a house is the analogy, I don't want to have a house that doesn't even have a front door or anything can come in at any level on any time at once. That doesn't make me feel safe. I've been a champion of safety for the last 20 years on and off the stage, in and out of the pulpit. And when I met Paul and I saw that vigilance to try to protect families, we'll have conversations around why we shouldn't block this or listen to our subscriber base on why we should. give access to that. That's all great. But the fact is we want to protect families,

we want to help them practically. Sure. I can definitely understand that. Well, we're coming down to the end of the interview, but I want to go back to the website, radiant mobile.com. I want to show that to the audience. So if there's any interest here, if they're curious about it, go to the website, start exploring it. And gentlemen, I'll give you last words. We've talked a lot about our blocking capabilities, our filtering capabilities, our filtering and are incredible over-the-top technology. But what comes to me, and I don't sleep a lot, Caleb, he's talking to me every night.

I mean, Chris knows I'm having trouble sleep in the last year, basically, because this is a really important movement, and this is, we feel we're doing something real important. But what I keep coming back to is it's not just about blocking out the darkness, it's about promoting the light. It's really about a, it's a place. about a it's a platform where we're really going to promote amazing teachings in scripture,

amazing stories that have never been told before, bringing back characters that lost their way, these iconic characters, these great, I hate to say the word Disney, but these great characters that have just been kidnapped and hijacks her. And so we really believe that we're not just blocking out the light, we're not just blocking out the darkness, excuse me, but we truly are promoting something really, really, really, really important. And I just want to spotlight that. But yeah, our features are, our filtering features work. And yeah, phone to home, everything that we're saying. It works. It works. It's amazing. The technology. But what really works is when you connect to your spiritual path, when you connect to scripture. And that's what we're really,

really trying to promote in a really profound way, sir. Absolutely. And Chris, I love for you to jump in here and having any closing statements for the audience as well? Oh, it's real short. It's real short. You know, I just think we've got to make a decision. You know, we're in a place in time, in America, and even in the church, where we've kind of hid and kind of sat behind what will come out next. And we complain about everything that isn't going right when it comes to exposure. But we've got to start taking initiative. We've got to start taking responsibility, whether it's with Radiant or just in your your own family's conversation around what you guys are looking at, what we're spending our money on,

and what we're giving agreement to. I want your listeners to hear that. We want to help you. We want you guys to have practical solution in your hands, and we want there to be nothing more than just a conversation that really talks about where the scripture puts these different categories and thoughts that we put in front of you in your home's practical life and conversation. I think that's very well said there. Well, gentlemen, it has been a pleasure to have you on the show. Like I said, I want the audience to go and check out, RadiantMobil.com, see if it's a good feature or a fit for the family. But I thank you for your time and for your work on this.

And with that, I'm going to go ahead and close this out. If you'd hold on one more minute post-production to stare at goodbyes, I'd appreciate it. But again, thank you for your time here on Church and State. God bless you, Kila. Thank you, sir. Thank you, gentlemen. Well, there you go, audience. You know, it's a really interesting idea, and I think that it has merit, and I think we should examine it as Christians if this is appropriate for our households, for our families.

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