The Prepper Broadcasting Network - Church & State -Rob Maness on What You Can Do About It

Episode Date: August 21, 2026

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let's go ahead and start this show. Now, I'm pleased to bring to you Colonel Rob Maness. He is an incredible individual, served obviously in the military, United States Air Force retired. He's a decorated combat veteran and dynamic leader. He's the author of What You Can Do About It, a book, that I'm really excited to talk with him about because he nails the problem within the greater conservative movement. And I think you're going to be entertained.

Colonel, it's a pleasure to have you on the show. Hey, Caleb. Thanks for having me on. I appreciate it. I love the name of the show. Well, thank you very much, sir. Yeah, we've got to get the church more involved and stop allowing the state to dictate what's going on in the church. You're absolutely right.

Absolutely right. So your book, what you can do about it, I love this premise. And I love that in the book, you're talking about the fact that the left, well, they just do better than we do. As far as organizing, getting their base to get out there and actually make changes. Now, obviously, these are changes that we don't want to see in the United States. But the conservatives, the commentators, we do a lot of rage bait. You know, we get people kind of angry about stuff, but there's no follow through. Yeah, exactly right.

And that's why I wrote the book. I came into the political arena after I retired. I was only out of the Air Force two years. And I ran for U.S. Senate as a Republican. I've been a Republican my whole life. And when I saw how the establishment consultants were, they tried to limit me from going to college campuses. and this was at a time when Charlie Kirk was still, I think he was 19 years old.

I found out about him, and I held him up as an example. I'm like, look, this guy is going to college campuses, and he is more conservative than most of the Republicans in office today. And he speaks my language because we were very much aligned and still are on the ideas what we think this country is and ought to be going forward. And the Republicans were like, no, no, sir, they're not going to talk to you. And by the way, you don't know how to talk to people that are under the age of 25. And I looked them in the eye and I had just left command of 3,000 people.

And over 85% of those people were between the ages of 17 and 23. I said, look, but I know exactly. I know exactly how to talk to these people. I mean, I was paid not until too long ago to inspire them to go die for their country if they needed to, if we needed them to. You know, so I understand these folks, and I understand what they not just want to hear, but how they hear and what they're listening to and those kinds of things. And my experience went from there. I was able to find people like Andy Sarabian is one. Andy has worked for me a couple of times, but Andy found me through Tea Party Express.

And Andy Sarabian, if you don't know who he is, he worked in Trump's war room after he left my U.S. Senate campaign in my second one in 2016. He went to Trump's war room and helped Steve Bannon in the war room. Eventually, he and Steve became special assistance to the president at that first term. but then he worked for, and still does work for, I believe J.D. Vance on the political side, not as the VP part. And he's just a great American, Armenian guy that understands. He introduced me to the term zeitgeist. And he said, sir, you're on the zeitgeist.

And I'm like, what the heck is that? And he explained it to me that the men and women of America in their 20s, they're expecting of some things. One, to get the border security and immigration challenge under control. Because even in 2013, when we started my first Senate campaign, it was out of control already. Okay? That was my number one plank. Number two was stop the endless war policy.

Stop the endless war policy. And number three was, of my top three, was achieve energy independence. independence. We have enough energy in this country to be independent and be exporters of energy and not have to worry about places like the Strait of Hormuz. Okay, those were the big three things and he said you are on what the young American people wanted and what we found out was that the older American people were on the same zeitgeist. Caleb, it was amazing and you know Some people called me a libertarian Republican.

I don't know that I agree with that. Here's what I do agree with, though. America was founded on and because of individual liberty and what was discovered through the Enlightenment and authors like Locke and those kind of folks that human beings have inherent and natural rights. And that's what I believe in. You know, I was so pleased to see the 250th celebration of the Declaration of Independence

and to get it into the minds of this generation of Americans, from the kids to the young adults to even some of the older adults as a forefront, as a topic point, because it's critically important that our people understand what in that document and that it still applies today, And if we don't insist that it applies today and is applied to the Constitution that was created by many of the same people that wrote that document, but it was recreated from that document, if we don't have an understanding of it, then the coming generations will lose the Republic of the United States more than we've even already lost a lot of it now. And there's no denying. I'm not going to, I don't live behind rose-colored glasses. There's no denying. We've lost large. parts of our republic because of ill-advised changes we made to the Constitution, like the federal income tax and changing the way U.S. senators are elected, away from state legislators

to having them voted for. Those changes, while they may have been sold as good, going to make you more prosperous, have devastated the country, and resulted in what you see seat today with a bureaucracy that is so vast and so powerful that the president, the one position in the Constitution that is elected by all the states, all the state, cannot control his bureaucracy. I just wrote an article about it. And that's part of what this book is about, because even as you and I sit here right now, there's a young American out there. that's thinking, man, I can't afford to buy a house. I went to college, and now I'm $250,000 in debt,

and I got this doggone feminist critical theory degree that I was talked into by my girlfriend, and I'm going to be doing perpetual Uber Eats and Lyft driving and that kind of stuff. And they don't think, and there's not a darn thing I can do about it. Oh, that's wrong. That is wrong. That is wrong.

Matter of fact, the title of the book is not the first title I came up with. The first title I came up with was the question that I get asked, whether it's being at a commander's call with my troops or in a civilian town hall as a politician trying to run for office or as a person that is elected. I'm in a county elected level seat a couple of terms. But what's the question they asked? When they see an issue or we're talking about an issue that's got everybody energized, every American, and I don't mean a person that's born here.

I mean, people that are either born here or come here and become American citizens because they buy into the Declaration of Independence ideas. Okay, that's it. That's what that means to be an American. I call them Americanists that practice Americanism in the book. And I picked that term up from a good friend of mine who passed away a couple of years ago. ago suddenly named Dennis Haw, who was also an Air Force officer at one point. But I put that in the book because every American asks this question when we're talking about an issue that's got

everybody energized or angry. Well, what can I do about it? It's in our DNA. You know, and the place, you know, we talked before the show, I was born into Calam in Washington, but my mom and daddy are from West Tennessee. And they both come from 12 kid families. One was on the farming side. The other was on the kind of entrepreneurial side. He was also a deputy sheriff who got some interesting stories that my granny used to tell us. But there were 12 kids. And so my aunts and uncles, my dad was in the Air Force, but he made sure he took us back. You get 30 days of leave in the military, and he would take us back to Tennessee twice a year, once at Christmas time, and once in the summertime, for two-week periods. And our aunts and uncles would take us

into their homes, and I had three brothers, so there's four of us little guys running around being monstered. I played a lot of Cowboys and Indians and G.I. Joe, that kind of good American things, you know, Davy Crockett. And I mentioned David Crockett in the book because he was a congressman from West Tennessee. And when I was about six, when I was about six, my uncle, buddy, who was my dad's youngest brother, youngest living brother, he was also a high school teacher and coach, public high school teacher and football and baseball and basketball coach. They didn't have kids at the time, so they always took me in to their house and I stayed

with them almost the entire time. But he would take me around. And I tell this story in the book. he would take me around to places and just talk from the perspective of a kid that grew up in West Tennessee on a cotton farm, picking cotton for his daddy and hunting. You know, I mean, my grandpa's farmhouse, they had a back room that they built onto. It was just a big room that opened out into the back of the house so you can see the corn crib and the pig, the hog pin and all that stuff right out the back door.

but all us kids stayed there and slept on the floor when we would go home. And there were like 15 or 20 of us at any given time, but there was a rifle hanging above the door, and it was always loaded. It was a pump, 22 rifle, had a barrel magazine or a magazine in the butt of the rifle that you loaded vertically. Anyway, and my grandfather taught us, and my uncles and aunts always taught us. I mean, you're from the background of the United States of America that started in the east and migrated to the west in the south. So we grew up essentially still as frontier kids, even in the 1960s, being taught by these people

and their parents that were frontier kids. My uncle told me this story about Crockett. You know, Crockett had been kicked out of Congress twice because he disagreed with the president Andrew Jackson, who's another guy that I write about in the book, a little bit, you know, because he disagreed with the president on the force movement of the Cherokee over the trail of tears out to the west. And I probably would have disagreed with that too. You know, but the second time they did it, Crockett, went to the courthouse square just before he went to Texas and became a hero in the Alamo. And he got all of the people that voted.

him out of office the second time together. And he said, y'all, y'all can all go to hell. I'm going to Texas. But the reason why that story is important is because it matches the question and supports what my premise, this is in America that's DNA, that when we get mad about something

or get excited about an issue, we ask ourselves the question first. What can I do about it? And I think we've lost a little bit about that, of that. And I saw that when I came into the political arena, And I spent several years thinking about this book because people were bugging me to write a biography, and I didn't want to really write a biography.

I wanted to write a book that people could actually use and pass around, and they get something out of it. Sure. So let's get into the book, sir, because, you know, I so agree with your take on what we see currently in America. Regardless of the factions, there's people that are looking for something different. They're kind of tired of the establishment both on the left and the right. And as an example, I can point to the rise of the so-called Democratic Socialists of America. They were having a lot of victories. We just had primaries where we saw victories with these guys.

Obviously, on the left, they're getting tired of the establishment Democrat side. Now, they're looking to socialism as the cure. It is not. You and I would both agree. This is not going to go well for America. It's the suicide pill, actually. It really is. But on the right,

There's a lot of disillusionment as well. And I talk to a lot of people, because I'm doing this show five days a week, there's a lot of people that are looking and they thought Trump was this outsider that was going to bring about real change. And he talked about things like getting us out of these endless wars, which you have brought up, as was one of your campaign platforms. And here we see ourselves, once again, bombing the crud out of Iran for potentially nuclear weapons.

but, you know, I myself, I don't suffer from short-term memory loss. I remember weapons of mass destruction. I remember all these lies that were told to us to get into all these different foreign countries, and I'm just not about it. So there's a lot of frustration here on both sides. What can we do about it? I don't have short-term memory loss either. That's an interesting question on this current war against Iran.

Look, I supported the president. I didn't support him in 2016, initially. I was a Ted Cruz guy to the point where I gave Ted Cruz my statewide network contact, all my activists that I had gotten 210,000 plus votes with in 2014 across the state of Louisiana. And keep in mind, I'm an Air Force guy that wasn't born in Louisiana two years after he retired, and we were able to do that. That's pretty incredible, and it got the Republican establishment's attention. But as soon as Cruz dropped out, I had been looking at Trump and everything, and he was on the same platform that I was on.

And that's why in August of that year, when we decided that Andy was going to leave our campaign, the guy that was my strategy consultant, my strategic guy, was connected to the Trump somehow. He called him and said, hey, this guy, you should call him. And he got picked up in their war room. Because when we looked at Trump's positions, essentially I had run on that in 2013, 2014, and then again in 16, in 15, in 16. But so Andy fit right into that. And I mentioned Bannon was there too and got picked up on there. and they all fit in the same fold. So let's come up to today.

And here's why I said, I don't have memory loss either. Look, I was 17 in 1979, when I first put on the uniform and the Iranians declared war on us. That's where I'm coming from. That this is a war that's been going on 47 years, and I don't have access to classified information. I was not real enthusiastic about getting

into this, but if the president, but I have been in nuclear operations in the Pentagon on the joint staff until I, you know, from 99 to 2002. So I've seen the facts that I can't really talk about specifics of, but I've seen enough facts to know that if the president had the information he said he had, then it's based on solid intelligence evidence. And I'm willing to give him the grace, because I don't see him as starting an endless war. I see him, just like with Ukraine, he's trying to end an endless war that the neocons really got us into. If you go back and look at the history of how the Ayatollah got into power in the first place, the neocons got us into this stuff. And I see this president as still trying to live by his campaign promises, which

is no new endless wars, no endless war policy. I have done a lot of reading about the new national defense strategy that came out, and it drives away from endless war policy and goes back to the deterrence policy that President Reagan was able to make so successful in the 1980s that resulted in the fall of the Soviet Union, really, because of those policies. and I don't disagree with those because this leading, I was in the Pentagon on 9-11, I talked about that in the book.

My after-action report from that day is in the book as an appendix. This policy of endless warfare beyond our initial response, which I totally agreed with, against the Taliban and al-Qaeda, and to try to stay in Afghanistan and then go into Iraq and all that.

Those policies are the ones that this president ran against. I've ran against it, and I support him in that regard. And I'm willing to give him a little bit of grace, because my background and what I do know about the facts on the enriched uranium, the desire to build nuclear weapons, those kind of things inside the government of that. And I know how I know how viciously, deadly the people that run that country are. And I think that's what the president's run into with this. He's trying to give him a break and not destroy the entire infrastructure. So the 90

million Iranians that don't want to kill us all, the population, have something to start with. And because they are the way they are, the IRGC, which is who really runs the country, not the mullahs. The mullahs don't run the country. It's the IRGC that's running it. Have always been that way. But those people, unfortunately, the president is learning the lessons that a lot of us already know, especially in the profession of arms, against these people. Look, I did my first war planning against the Iranians as a captain, Air Force, and retired as a colonel. So a long time ago, we've been studying that problem set. And so I'm willing to give him the grace on that, especially since he is trying to get them to the table and not completely destroy the country. country. But at some point, I'm also a military guy and I'm an Air Force officer, as you mentioned, and I was a bomber squadron commander and came up in Strategic Air Command. It was one of the first colonels, Air Force Global Strike Command. The Strategic Command we recreated a few years ago before I retired. And I understand what it will take if we have to completely remove the ability of the IRGC to attack their neighbors, attack commercial shipping and those kind of things.

And while I would like to see the president go ahead and go full bore and get this over with, I do appreciate his willingness to try to get him to the table to come to some type of negotiated agreement. Because it takes really, really strength, a lot of strength and courage to be able to do that. When you know, I know that his military advisors are telling him, hey, sir, we really should finish the entire target list and then try this. But he doesn't want to destroy all the infrastructure on behalf of the American. the Iranian people either. So he's in a he's in a tough spot. And unfortunately, that's why I'm opposed to this warfare is that war has a life of its own. Once you pull the trigger and you enter it in the way that this was done at the level that it was done, it gets a life of its own.

So let me ask you another question that I'm observing in politics currently. And it really kind of centers around more of the younger generations. For a very long time, in America's policy, foreign policy, has always been to support the nation of Israel. As of late, especially with the younger people, there's a considerable pushback against that, and they do see it as part of this endless war campaign that oftentimes Israel will use us, their words, you know, Israel will use us to be that hammer. You know, you pick on us, well, we got these guys behind us, and we'll get involved here. And that made kind of like ugly terms there, but that, you know, just kind of boiling it down to the nuts and bolts there. Do you see this as more, you know, disillusionment

with the younger generations within the conservative movement with the nation of Israel? Or do you see this as a danger or a risk for foreign policy? Well, there's a fallacy in that argument that the Israeli government shows its enemies, hey, look, look, at the big guy behind me, because I have seen time and time again the Israelis make decisions to go into combat on their own behalf and their own violent national interests where the United States was not involved militarily, other than to deliver the things that they purchased from us, you know, from a logistics perspective, and we've seen that over the years. So the fallacy in the argument that the Israelis either always say, you know, these guys are behind us, you

better do what we say, or that they're pushing Donald Trump around. The word I would use is, that's just really a little bit ridiculous. But one of the things that is going on, though, Caleb, with this issue, with issues like the data centers and those kind of things, I'm on a group called the Committee on the Present Danger, China that was stood back up. Originally, it was called the Committee on the Present Danger Soviet Union, and the people in that group, advised President Reagan in his run-up to ending the Cold War, and actually some of them served in his administration. And I got asked to join this group because China has

essentially declared unrestricted warfare on the United States. And their version of unrestricted warfare is primarily non-kinetic, you know, surveillance, undercover operations, terrorism, those kind of things and influence operation, what I call influence operator or propaganda operation and those kind of things. And one of the things that we have found and talked about over the last 10 years, especially since we were seven years since we were recreated, is the Chinese information operations and the infiltration of the United States of America. You may have heard the number 600,000 Chinese students in our universities.

Well, that's low. That's low. That's a cap that the president came up with against our group's advice. I guarantee you there's a memo in writing from us that says there should be no Chinese students. Because every Chinese student in this country is a People's Liberation Army or Chinese Communist Party asset. And they have influence over the younger age group primarily because of their presence on these universities. That is a lot of folks. And then you combine that with the extreme left-leaning, nearly, I would call them mostly Marxist, left-leaning philosophies of most of the academic, of academia in this country.

and it sets the table for a very effective information operation influence campaign. And some of the, I believe, some of the more, I don't want to call them extreme, but the more aggressive beliefs are coming out of that. We have other enemies too. The Russians are pretty good on the Internet side, but they're distracted right now. And let me pause you real quick there, Colonel. We've hit that hard break here. So for the audience, we're going to come back.

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especially with their internet capabilities, their tech. But there's a lot of threats, obviously, with China, with Russia. We were also talking about Israel and if foreign policy, the mindset for the youth in particular is starting to change there. But please pick it back up, sir. Yeah, yeah. So I was just going to roll in Russia and the fact that we are in kinetic operations, combat operations. at a level that hasn't been seen since World War II, really, against the Iranians. Russia and China are their allies.

So just like we are, I'm just going to say it out loud, look, the Ukrainians wouldn't be doing anything without United States military and intelligence support and our defense industrial base and those kind of things. So we know we have provided them intelligence information, targeting information. So it's a valid assumption, even without access to classified information, it's a valid position that the Russians and the Chinese are helping the Russians or the Iranians. So I only say that to just say there's a lot going on, and I was going to go into the data center thing just for a second, because I've been worried about data centers for a very, very. long time long and a lot of other people have too long before this most recent bump-up and information you know and and that bump up in information and bump up in people getting angry about

it i think there's probably influence and propaganda operations from our adversaries linked to some of that too that's how it works they do it they do it over time nuanced but the first massive data center that I do about that was being built that I'm still upset about was back you remember back when there's the big debate in in Washington was about the metadata from your cell phones all going to be collected well that data center guess where it's at it's in Utah it's not in Utah and the reason why nobody got upset about it is because the issues that they're seeing now with all these new ones that are being built and believe me there are a lot of data centers around that people aren't aware of in their communities, in their towns, out in the countryside,

that already exists. Your cell phone is a data center. Oh, we haven't gotten to that yet. But anyway, the reason it didn't get anybody's attention, even though I'm out there as a person that believes in liberty in this declaration we're celebrating this year and the Constitution behind it and the Fourth Amendment, for goodness sake, I'm out there going, we're building a data center center that's sponsored by the U.S. government that's a government that's a government, going to be operated by the U.S. government, and it's one big violation of the Fourth Amendment.

You remember they kept saying, well, it's just metadata. They're not going to be able to identify you. That was and is always baloney, and it takes a lot of power, it takes water, and those kind of things. But nobody in the, you know, out in the hinterlands out here that's upset now, I couldn't get anybody to, like, latch onto that in my discussions. I talked about it in my political campaigns, because I was concerned about it. But it really didn't fire anybody up. And I'm like, wow, guys. So, in a sense, I'm glad to see people are fired up.

I don't want to make sure they're fired up about the right things. There are ways that, and go back to the title of my book, what you can do about it. The data centers are already here, number one. Number two, the larger ones that are now being built. I won't say they're inevitable, but somebody's probably going to, to build them until Musk figures out how to put these things in orbit and then we don't have to worry about it anymore, which I believe he will do. Every time he said he was going to do something, eventually he gets it done. But my point is water, power, and the regulatory aspects of that,

and I'm not a regulation guy, but sometimes like with artificial intelligence, this kind of stuff, the people have to have their say, and the only way to do that is to start at the local and state level through local and state governments and interacting with the civilian corporations that want to do this and the government that needs to be involved, and they need to be listening to the people that live and own and work on the ground that they're talking about. And that's what I'm concerned about, is that there's a push to not allow local and state regulation of these data centers or of artificial intelligence, those two things. And I think, like here in our state and Mississippi, there is state-level guidance and local-level guidance going on. But still people are upset, but what they really ought to be upset is the violation of their Fourth Amendment.

rights if the government's involved in that. And in the regulatory part of it, we should be looking at legislation at the state level that says, no, there will be no government involvement in these data centers. You'll have to have a warrant to get any data. Yeah, I would 100% agree with that. That's the part that people ought to be up and arms about. That's just my opinion, more than the water, the power. But those are very important things that should be handled. It shouldn't even be a debate, Caleb, from the government folks that I see in corporate folks pushing back on the people that want this discussion to happen and want their say in this, because it's wrong to force something on a community that, especially if they've come together and decided they don't want

it. So America's a big place, man. Go find it somewhere else. If you got a community that's telling you we don't want it here, we need to be, not just we, not just me, but But those people need to be listened to because this is America, and this book is written for them. They're doing exactly what I want them to do, which is do something about it at the local lowest level possible, and that'll have national impact. Yeah, and you're starting to see that. Communities are coming together in opposition to these data centers, you know, out where I'm at in Spokane, Washington. They want to put one of these large data centers here, and there's been a massive amount of opposition. I've been a part of it to push back against this.

And we did get a one-year moratorium on that from our city council. But, man, they keep pushing. They keep pushing. I'm actually very encouraged by the amount of people with their opposition to the flock cameras and how they're putting so much pressure on the local jurisdictions, the local government, and a lot of them are starting to listen and they're pulling these things down. We have individual citizens that are engaging in activities. that I won't promote on this show as far as the flock cameras go.

Enough said there. Yeah, I got it. But, yeah, I mean, there is opposition to this, and there should be, because we should not be living in a surveillance state. Yeah, exactly right. You know, show me what those things can do that you think they are going to actually do. And I will show you how wrong you are and the harm. that they're going to do primarily. I just found out I had a, we had a gathering with some friends of ours.

And one of my friend's husband is really into this kind of stuff. And the flock camera came up and he pulled up a website. It's called deflock.org, I think. And he said, hey, Rob, you have a flock camera right down the street that I wasn't aware of. So, you know, we're going to. to talk about that at the local level. And I'm going to go out and talk to folks. I'm sure there's already a group organized.

I'm going to go talk to them and see what's going on and see what they know. And then we're going to go talk to the government. Because I don't remember voting on anything that would allow flock cameras to be set up wherever the government wants them to be to monitor or any rules on what they monitor or can monitor or should monitor. Yeah, you're absolutely right. So returning back to your book and that premise, this is a great example of something that you can do. And, you know, I have talked about this on the show quite a lot, encouraging people to really operate at that local level because we tend to keep our eyes on what's going on at the federal level. Well, we're not going to be all that effective.

All right. Yes, we can do some things. But at that local level, this is where you're really going to be able to band with like-minded individuals and bring about real positive change for your community. Oh, you're absolutely right. You know, I go back to the Crockett example because that's where I'm from. And one of the things that formed me, one of the ideas that formed me is that we wouldn't have a Republic of Texas. And he not said, what can I do about it?

After losing dramatically and overwhelmingly many times in his life, he saw, he came up, became aware of a problem out in Texas and got his friends together that were like-minded and said, we're going to go help do something about this. I mean, that is the reason why America still exists today is because we have people willing to do that.

Thanks for pointing it out about the federal level. Look, you know, that makes all the news. But, man, Caleb, the war, the way and the way to achieve victory, it's at the state and local legislature and government levels.

It's not at the federal. The federal government is, it's not uncontrollable totally, but it's a problem set all its own that we elect people to try to go up there and deal with. And at the local level, you better darn sure be questioning your candidates, whether they're incumbents or not, especially on the Republican side, what they're actually going to do when they get up there to dismantle this thing. Because if we don't dismantle that, it doesn't matter what the parchments say, it's going to continue to spiral out of control.

And it is out of control. I just published an article last week in The Daily Caller about James O'Keefe's hit surveillance piece on the career federal employee that said, hey, we're still going to be here when Trump leaves. We're just going to reverse everything. Well, that's not an aberration. Those resistors are in the federal bureaucracy at all levels. And the last institution they took over and infiltrated was the Department of War, Department of Defense, if you want to stick with that. And that's my department.

That's my institution. And I have a responsibility to fix when I see it. That's why I got the article published. But I have personal experience that says that O'Keeffe's accurate and that this is not a one-off. And we've got to address that as the American people because the American people don't support that. And that type of person working in the civil service is, here's what it is. They are not obeying the will of the American people. Look, Bill Biden was able to get the oath of office to the presidency done.

And if I was working in the federal government and tried to be a resistor, I would be wrong because I would be obstructing the Constitution of the United States for doing that. Now, trying to give the right advice, you know, and present the right argument, that's if it was part of my job, that absolutely I should do. But to purposely obstruct the implementation of the guy's policies if they're lawful, if they're not lawful, to bring it up, highlight it, and resign if necessary, very loudly to try to stop it, those are all valid things. But to stay in the job and resist, just because you don't. like the policies of the guy or the name of the guy that's the president of the United States, that's obstructing the will of the American people and the Constitution itself, and they all take an oath to that just like military people do. So, so that's a, that's, and I pointed out the

Department of War for a reason. That's the last institution that Marxists take over before they're able to take the entire nation when they take a nation, is that institution. So it's a, it's a challenge that's got to be fixed. We've got to address it. We are at that point. That's where we're at. So I want to bring up your website. We're winding down towards the end of the show here. And Chris will bring that up for the audience. But it's pretty easy. Rob menis.com. You can see the website. It's a fantastic website. There's a lot of information on here, a lot of articles, a lot of different interviews that you've done. But, you know, just a minute long here. Tell people why they should go to the website and start listening to your show. Sorry, Caleb.

Did we have it? Yeah. Sorry, I was just asking you to tell people why they should go to your website. Yeah, a little freeze frame there. You can go to rob manis.com for a couple reasons. We are publishing a lot on the defense issue right now because I think the American people need to have a place that's outside of the corporate media to go and look at things.

And you can email me. If you have a question about an article, I didn't write them all. we're publishing from some defense websites because we want the American people to have a site they can go to. And if they have a question, you can email me through that site. And I do answer those emails. Also, go there to catch all of my shows. You can catch it a lot. There's a live web page.

But if you can't catch it live, we do a post-production version and try to get that posted within 24 hours. Did a great show this week. You're showing Joshua Lysick, who helped me write my book and wrote the forward for my book, by the way. He and Jack Pesovic are New York Times best-selling authors, but we are of like mind, and we did this show on the Haitian invasion of Ohio to tell the truth about what really is happening there, because you're being lied to. That's the main reason it is you think you're being lied to. This is a site that has defense information.

It has I cover from culture, politics, defense, foreign policy, you know, the intelligence agencies, those kind of things on the site. The articles that I get published in other publications, I try to get posted on this site for print article purposes and those kind of things. You're scrolling past that Pete Hick-Seth picture. That article has almost 800,000 views on X, by the way, which is the largest one, I think, article-wise,

that I've ever had on X. So if you want to know what a career military officer that's commanded several times that was in combat and peace, thinks about things like that. If I wrote an article on there, that's what I'm thinking about. And we need more people to understand military officers, especially senior ones, and what they're thinking about, not just national security, but also the culture, the political environment, those kinds of things, because the corporate media, the vaunted free press, we are the free.

press now. And I never thought I'd be saying that in a serious nature, but we are. So I have guys like the CEO of CDM Press, L. Todd Wood on there. He's a retired Air Force. Yeah, I know Todd. He's a good man. I have him on regularly, especially on Mondays. Monday is more war Monday on my show to talk about not just what's going on in the combat operations and we try to bring people on to tell the truth, but also what we think should should be happening or shouldn't be happening. And that's why I have guys like Todd, huh? And you can buy the book there.

You can buy the book and there's a bonus chapter page for free. You just sign up and you can download the bonus chapter. And the bonus chapter is important because it talks about canceling your own cancellation. Because as you know, when you're in this arena, whether it's political, public or whatever, there are people out there, especially those that have power right now that want to maintain. the status quo and their power, they're going to try to cancel you. Absolutely. Yeah, well, we've actually gone a little bit over, but that's all right. I want people to go buy the book, what you can do about it.

You can find that at rob manis.com. Go check out the website, ladies and gentlemen. Colonel, it's been a pleasure having you on the show. I'm going to go ahead and close this out. If you hold on one more minute post-production to say our goodbyes, I'd appreciate it. But again, thank you for your work and for joining us on Church and State. Thank you, sir. Absolutely.

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