The Prepper Broadcasting Network - Church & State -The Dangers of Data Centers with Sean Patrick Tario

Episode Date: June 17, 2026

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He's the CEO and founder of Mark37.com. We'll be talking about that, like I said, after the break. But Sean, great to have you back on the show. Glad to be here, man. You can butcher my name all you want, buddy. I called you the church and state guy for about the first month and a half. You know what? That is true.

We need to tell that story real quick because, you know, I'm working for Mark 3-7. And one of our coworkers is like he starts telling Sean about Caleb. And Sean's like, Caleb, who? Like, who are you talking about? And he's like, Caleb, he works for us. And Sean's like, we don't have anybody named Caleb that works for us. And he goes through. He's like, oh, the church and state guy.

Yes. So, yeah, that's true. I guess I can butcher your last name. Yep. happens happens when you got a million things going on at the same time that's exactly what it is yeah so we'll talk about mark three seven after the break because i really want to heavily promote it but i want to talk to you about data centers because these are popping up all over the countries you got a massive one going up in utah right now you've got uh the dude from shark tank kevin o'leary

who's pushing this thing and attacking anybody who stands against it and this isn't a left right thing You know, there is environmental factors in these, absolutely. And as Christians, we want to steward our environment. You and I are going to be more focused on the privacy aspects here, but these are a real danger to America. It's been my background. I mean, I spent literally about 15 years of my career in that industry, started out working for a smaller provider out of San Francisco. We had a facility in San Francisco, data center provider out of San Francisco, eventually opened up a data center in Los Angeles. then moved on to a national provider called QTS Quality Technology Services,

quickly became one of their top sales reps at that company, and then quickly learned as I was working there that even the owners of these businesses didn't even understand what these facilities really were, because they are complicated, these data centers. It's not like a closet with some fans and some servers, like a lot of people call that a data center. Data centers are much larger, more sophisticated,

the beasts where you have telecommunications. You have thermodynamics because you have a lot of cooling going on with these servers, which are just really many heaters. You have lots of different types of technologies that need different types of power to manage and run their systems. And just a quick thought to help people understand what all this means. A company like American Express, the credit card company, they need to be up and running 24-7-365. They cannot go down. They cannot go down because if they do, they lose billions of dollars almost every minute, right? So their needs as a company are to be in a facility that can never go down. So that means where that facility literally sits in the country matters.

It can't sit in Florida on the coast where a hurricane could potentially take it out. It can't sit in Chicago where you have all kinds of crazy weather crises that happen. it has to sit in a location that is really neutral from natural disasters and also has the ability, if for whatever reason it does go down, has fuel that can get to it. So if you're going to be running on diesel generator power, which is what most of the backup systems are for these facilities, you need to be able to get fuel to these facilities. So that's just some of like the dozen plus variables that come into deciding what a data center is going to look like, what it's going to be designed to serve,

and the types of customers that are best suited for that type of facility or another facility. So me just, yeah, sorry. No, no, go ahead. Keep going. Me being an entrepreneur and just me being a geek and me wanting to understand systems and, like, loving to learn how the world works, I loved this industry when I first got in because it was so fascinating to me. There were so many, like, you could keep learning about that industry every day,

and you would never know enough. And it's just constantly evolving and changing. So I fell in love with it and eventually left to put out my own shingle and became a consultant in that industry, working to both find homes for buyers. So people who are looking for homes for their data. And some of those people wanted to own their servers and actually control those servers in a data center.

Some of those people just wanted a hosted service provider. So they wanted to pay someone else to manage the servers that ran their business. And then you had hybrid scenarios of customers that wanted to own some of their stuff, but not all their stuff. And so I became very adept and informed in that space so much so that I eventually wrote a book called the Data Center Collocation Industry Playbook, which is really the core for most data center providers actually feed that book to new people that come into that industry. So in short, that was my world for a long, long time.

And even had a podcast like yours called the I Love Data Centers. You can actually go to I Love Datacenters.com and interviewed some of the most brilliant people, in that industry and learn very quickly like who who came at it from a libertarian you know godly mindset and who came at that industry from a pure let's just make as much money as we possibly can as quickly as possible which then helped me when I eventually started a company back in 2000 2020 to help address the fact that everyone was getting the platform because I kind of knew exactly who to go to that was on our team. Sure. Yeah. So you are well-versed. You are an expert on this. Now, in the region that I'm in,

Spokane, Washington, we just found out that they're trying to put a data center in here. And the power company has been approached. It's been revealed just literally, I think, yesterday that this is, in fact, going to be a data center. And they're going to be taking the power of about half of the populace that this provider currently has. So I know through some back channels that they've already talked with this data center that they're going to have to supply the infrastructure, the money for supporting it and all this, for building it. But a lot of the people are up in arms in this region, and rightfully so. Let's talk about the environmental factor here, because as I said, this isn't a left-right issue, okay? This is people who want to

care for the environment, want to be able to have power for their homes, people that have concerns with privacy issues and surveillance, but the environmental factor is a big one when you're looking at more of those who would call themselves more of the left-wing ideologies, all right? And so let's talk about this because this consumes a lot of natural resources, the water pollution. Let's talk about all that. Yeah, so you mentioned one of the key pieces. So there's, there is a lot of misinformation and disinformation in the market about these facilities. And to be clear, I view a data center is really just a massive computer. That's kind of what you have to view it as such. And it's a technological tool that can be used to deliver services to all kinds of different companies. So what matters is

who owns these facilities and what data and information and companies are managing the infrastructure inside this facility. So if we have psychopaths who are trying to enslave and control us building these facilities like Facebook, Google, Microsoft, Amazon, I mean, the list goes on and on, right? Then I have a problem with that data center. 100% hands down. If that facility is being used to aggregate flock data and or do surveillance, like the vast majority of the data centers that our government manages. Like you mentioned that the big data center being built in Utah. There's a lot of hand-waving stuff that goes on in the industry because people don't realize there are thousands of these facilities already in the country. So the fact that there's a couple more that are being built right

now, for me, it's like, well, where were you 20 years ago when these things were starting to be built? And people are like, well, we just didn't know about it. We didn't know how much of a threat of it was going to be. We just have to start to realize that there's a reason why certain things hit the media and hit hit the narrative that we all start paying attention to and maybe it's not because there's something like truly for us to be so afraid of it's just a shift narrative it's to get people distracted but for me the key is who owns the facility what is it going to be used for because these facilities are literally owned by real estate companies they're owned by real estate companies

so it's not the what matters is who's putting their servers inside that facility. And the other key from a power perspective is, as you mentioned, they're putting up millions of dollars to build out new substations and so that that power company can go generate more power to service the demand. Most people think that that load is going to come out of the households, that everyone's there's going to be brownouts, there's going to be blackouts. That is not usually the case. The vast majority of the time, that is not the case. They're actually, these data center companies if they have the contracts in hand and they have the money, they'll go and they'll actually build and give the money to the power company so that they can go

acquire more power to put onto the grid. So that's key. Like those who are freaking out about like, oh, we're not going to have power in our community. If this new data center comes in, that's just not true. It's just not. Like that's not why we have rolling brownouts and blackouts. We have rolling brownouts and blackouts because the companies that are running our municipality that control our energy grids are running on infrastructure that's like 30, 40, 50 years old. That's why, right? So as you dig into these industries, you start to understand how this stuff actually works. You can kind of make more sense out of the fear porn that's just being pushed out about a lot of this stuff. But the other thing from an environmental perspective is the water systems, right?

So a lot of people are like, well, they're going to take all the water from our municipal, you know, water municipality and we're going to have crap water in our system. Well, there's lots of ways to like what is the question is what is the water being used for? Why does a data center even need water? Most of them don't. In fact, the vast majority of the new data center is being built don't need water because they're running on coolant. The water is typically used for the air conditioning. systems that are cooling the servers in the data center.

But there's many ways to go about doing that. You can use water cool to cool or you can use refrigerant and coolant to run your AC systems so that you don't even need water. So the question isn't like, you have to understand what is the purpose of this data center? How are they designing that data center? And if they're saying they need water, why? Why do they need water? Most of them don't and shouldn't. In fact, most of the new technology coming out in the data center industry is around liquid cooling.

But that's a mineral solution, mineral liquid solution that's not primarily water. It's, in fact, oil. It's an oil-based solution. So you literally have servers sitting inside baths of mineral oil. That's what they're sitting in because it's much faster to disseminate the heat and push the heat out of the system. So that's where like people freak out about like, oh, a data center is going to be so noisy. The only reason that data center is going to make noise is if the diesel generators kick on, which those things definitely make a lot of noise.

But in most cities and counties, there's ordinances where they have to contain these, these big diesel generators in these like enclosures that limit that noise. And people say, well, there's going to be an eyesore. Also, there's ordinances in most counties and cities such that if they do deploy these things, they have to put up huge walls that, like, comply with all the other architecture in the area. So the people who are having these issues are typically the counties that do zero diligence, and they're completely misinformed and uninformed about exactly what it is that's going on there. So that's what I want to know when I hear about a data center going up that's going to need, you know, 100 megawatt. who's funding it because you always have to follow the money right follow the money always follow the money and then what is it being used for because if they're saying they need a

ton of water why they shouldn't need a ton of water there there's something else is happening something else is going on there right so we just need to get some smarter people to step in and ask some smarter questions at a lot of these county council meetings instead of everyone getting super pissed off and rallying and coming and being like this is evil and I'm not saying they're not. Like if a data center was going up around here that was going to be a Facebook or a Microsoft or Google or Amazon data center, I'd be on that line too in the county saying, hell no, I don't want this in here. But for a different purpose, not for environmental reasons, because I don't want that to be used as another surveillance apparatus machine in the

big clog that's trying to track and monitor and control everything that we're doing. Hopefully that makes sense. No, and I definitely appreciate your insight on this one. And I'm going to transition over to the privacy and surveillance side of this. But real quick, let's talk about jobs, because this is one of the talking points for a lot of people, is that anyone who opposes a data center being built in their community, well, they're against American jobs. As I look at it, you're initially sure, you're going to have a lot of jobs going in there as they build the facility. But afterwards, a lot of that's going to be automated. A lot of that's going to be artificial intelligence. So you're not going to actually see those jobs in the community. What say you?

Yeah, 100% that's accurate. Without a doubt. So the jobs that are initially created are your construction workers. It's your electrical engineers, your plumbers, the people that do that big infrastructure build out. After that thing is built, you need maybe a dozen full-time employees just to manage the facilities. But to your point, a lot of that is becoming automated. So you you don't even need to have that many people. So you really have a skeleton staff of facilities maintenance engineers and security. And that's it. Like those are the jobs. So then the question is it goes back to what I was saying before. Who owns the data and the servers being run in those data centers? What are they being used for? Then you can have a conversation about what jobs

are going to be supported. But more often than not, it's not local jobs. That's not the local jobs that are being generated and supported. So those who are like, well, building a data center in our community is going to bring jobs. Not necessarily. Not necessarily. And, you know, I've been a part of a lot of different data center built, and I've consulted with a lot of different private equity firms that want to do data centers. I even try to raise a fund to build data centers. But what I wanted to build was micro small data centers in as many rural communities across the country as possible so that people in rural wherever could get cheaper access to the internet at large. That's what I want it because currently right now, AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile, and Comcast and these other

large infrastructure providers have a monopoly on all this infrastructure around the country and around the world, primarily in the U.S. AT&T, and they don't want more data centers in rural community, these small data centers that serve as interconnection hubs for all the other internet traffic going on because they have the monopoly and their margins for the business owners and the residential people in there is what truly hits their bottom line. It makes them an ungodly amount of money. So they don't want competition in those areas. So they're more than happy to help bring in a 100 megawatt data center, but what they don't want is a small nucleus that serves as an internet hub for all kinds of internet traffic because that reduces their profit

margins. And I can go down all those different rabbit holes. And that was the world I lived in. And as I kept working in that industry and realize all I was doing was helping to facilitate these psychopaths making more money to further enslave and control me. I said, I can't do this anymore. And I said, Lord, where do you want me on the front lines of this war that we're in right now? And he made it very clear, which is why I'm doing what I'm doing today. Absolutely. And like I said, We're going to get into that. So once again, appreciate your insight. And as you said, follow the money.

And that's the advice that I know that you live by, but it's good advice for all of the audience. All right, let's transition over to the privacy concerns, the surveillance concerns. And this is where I know you're at. I know I'm there as well. I think the bulk of my audience is also. But when we look and we see this beast system that's being created, this surveillance that our country is literally obsessed with, Pallentier and all of this stuff, whether they're literally being able to predict crime before it occurs, like minority report. This is where I struggle and this is where much of these data centers that are being built, that's what they're being designed to do to spy on American citizens.

And sorry, I think I treasure the Fourth Amendment a little too much to allow that to happen in my community. Yeah, I mean, it's a simple phrase. No privacy, no freedom. No privacy, no freedom. And we have willingly adopted both government surveillance and big tech surveillance into our lives. When people have these Amazon Alexis literally living in their homes, when you have Siri living on your phone that you carry around with you all day every day. What drives me crazy, Caleb, which I know you know, because you hear it from me all the time, is the people who are like, we're all about freedom, we're about liberty. And yet they have these surveillance devices that they carry around with them all day, every day, and they don't quite realize, like, the absolute connection there is.

They're living as hypocrites all day every day sitting there saying, we need to fight big tech, we need to fight all these, you know, this surveillance apparatus, and then they literally carry around a surveillance device that feeds all their data to these companies that are trying to enslave us, and that are literally using the billions of dollars that they make every year and profits to go fund candidates, causes, and organizations that are diametrically opposed to us. us. So these facilities, they're aggregating our information. They're aggregating our data. They're running algorithms against it so that they can further figure out not just how to sell you something. Like, predict what it is that you want to buy. No, they want to do far more

nefarious things with that information and that data and they are doing it. They want to enslave you, throw you in jail, or fine you for simply saying simple things. And we can't say this is only happening in the UK like anyone paying attention right now, knows, that people are being thrown in jail and find tens of thousands of dollars for sharing tweets that they consider to be anti-Semitic or against the occupation that's been going on in those countries by the Islamic revolt that's happening in those countries or you know onslaught that's coming into those countries people are going to jail for that that's now happening here in the United States in states even like Texas Texas they threw someone in jail because the person was

making comments online about one of the city council members. Like, this is happening today. And it wasn't death threats. It was people simply trying to ask questions and call out information. So because of misinformation that they were sharing online, what they claimed is misinformation, which they now admitted and acknowledged, well, that was actually the truth. They threw someone in jail, here in the United States. That's happening here. So like, hell no, I'm not okay with this. I'm not okay with more. data collection what we need to be doing is bringing technology this beautiful technology that we have these algorithms all this really smart stuff putting it in our homes and then giving us control we have control over that machine and those

programs because that's all these things are they're programs and if you have a program kind of like a firearm in the hands of someone who has ethics and values and morals and has restraint and knows how to use it appropriately that can be a very valuable tool for you to, A, enjoy yourself, go hunting, feed your family, protect yourself, or in the hands of a psychopath killer, which is what we're dealing with, these people who own these companies, these tools, these data centers are being used against us. So I want to file the money and I want to figure out who's controlling, who's owning, who's operating it. And then I can draw a conclusion as to, is this facility, A, being built and operated and run in an efficient way that's not going to suck out resources from the community and hopefully add value to the community, or is it being run by Luciferian psychopaths that are trying to kill us?

And unfortunately, that's not a hard conversation to have once you know the right questions to ask. And I think this is sound advice. And I hope that the, you know, the Spokane residents that watch this show are going to use this information. so that they're informed so that they can ask the right questions at the city council meetings at the county commissioner meetings because that's what i want we want to get to the truth of this and then ultimately and i want to ask you about this but ultimately if this center is proven to be one of these nefarious psychopath organizations like you described then we say no we don't want that in our community um Sean unfortunately the vast majority of these data centers these corporations are not really benevolent are they Most of them are going to be those psychopaths that you were describing. Is that not true? Yeah, 100%. And it's, you know, just look at OpenAI, look at ChatGPT.

You know, I would say even look at X and Grock. Look at the Facebook, Google, just follow the money. You look at the ethos of the people that run these businesses. You look at how they operate their life, what they truly value, what they put up, you know, who, what do they idolize? Do they idolize Jesus Christ and do they idolize ethics and values and morals? Or do they idolize ego and mana and money? Right? It's so simple, Caleb.

Like, it's so simple to figure out how people are going to operate in the world once you understand what it is that they value. Where does their treasure lie, right? Is their treasure in their family and in serving other people? or does their treasure lie in their ego, in their pride, and in their wealth that they have, that they've surrounded themselves with? That's a very easy thing to determine when you can start to do diligence on people, which we've done, and it's not hard, especially with a lot of these public figures, how are they operating their lives?

And then who's funding them? Because Zuckerberg is a face. He's a face. He really doesn't, he's even acknowledged. I'm subject to my board of directors. I do what my board tells me to do. So then the question is, well, who's the board? So then you just look at the board members

and you start following the money with them and looking at how are they living their lives and operating their lives. Are they ethical, Christ-fearing, you know, Christ-loving servant leaders? Or are they schmucks? Right? The vast majority of them are smuck, are schmucks.

And that's not hard to find out if you just do a little bit of diligence. So, you know, I appreciate the fact that there's people actually in the fight asking the right questions like you and, you know, one of your future guests here, Ivan Rakeland, who are, they do the homework, they do the work, they understand what we're up against and they know that if we're going to just sit back and be reactionary, we're dead in the water, we have to be proactive, we have to get educated, we have to learn these things so that we can ask better questions. So if any of your listeners right

now, you know, Caleb, I'm willing to even give you a free PDF of the book. And it's a little outdated, I have to be honest with you, because I haven't updated this book since I started going on my own warpath in a different direction, but all the information here is still relevant. So I'll give you the PDF and you can host it on your site. You can share it if anyone wants to download it and take a read that can do so. Okay, yeah, I appreciate that. We will definitely do something like that. And if anybody's interested in it, open spectrum, Inc.com, forward slash playbook and then download. But the book's right there on the website, Open Spectrum, and Chris is showing that to you right now. So please

check that out while we're at it as well and we're coming up on this hard break here but i do want to say go check out mark three seven as well and we're going to talk about that after the break but mark three seven dot com go check out this website this a great website for you to get ghost phones ghost laptops actually start controlling your own data Sean I know uh I love the company and I'm going to give you the opportunity when we come back from the break to talk a little bit more about the about the company and all the great things that you're doing there hey this is Caleb call you're with the church and state podcast ladies and gentlemen I want all of you to go to Galileo.com.

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help us get the message out there. With that, now I'm going to plugging one of our great affiliates. And of course, I'm going to mark37.com. Look, I love this company. And because if you can bring Sean into the conversation, he can tell us why I love this conversation. But Mark 37, guys, I love the fact that not only do I use their products, look, my laptop right here, the one I'm running the show off of. Yep, that's a ghost laptop. That is Linux. My phone is a ghost phone. And I absolutely adore this stuff. But Sean, why is this product so great? Well, I think as we were just talking about, we shouldn't be hypocrites. We can't sit here and preach that we are fighting for our freedom and for our liberty

and fighting against the system and then go and participate and live in that system all day every day and literally have the surveillance tools that they've designed for us to carry around in our pockets all day every day as the primary tools that we use for communications. Like, that makes no sense. It's literally insanity. to me. This is why I have a dent on the brick wall in front of me from being my head against it. As I'm talking to people, it's literally the same, Caleb, as someone being like, you know, Pfizer's an evil company. I hate Pfizer. They're trying to kill me.

But hold on, you know, I got to go to my doctor's appointment and get my next booster shot. Like, that doesn't compute, right? That doesn't make sense. That logically doesn't fly. And yet for some reason, we have so many talking heads and people who are screaming and yelling about how much they hate the fact that we're being surveilled all the time, and yet they're literally using the surveillance tools all day every day. So that's what I love and appreciate about you, Caleb, is you nodded your head, and then you actually took action. You did something about it versus just be like, oh, that's interesting.

I'll think about that. That's an interesting idea. Like, you actually took action and put it into practice, which is key. We need more people who can stand up and do that. And so all we've done is taking the technology that's available, that most geeks who want to live a private and secure life know how to do, and we made it accessible to everyday people so that, you know, my dad, who's like literally one of the least technically savvy people on the planet,

can use these tools and not be calling me every day for tech support. Yeah, and that's so important. I'll share a little inside information for the audience here. Most of the time when we have our weekly meetings at Mark 3-7, I get made fun of for eating crants, okay? So I'm not the most tech guy. And I recognize that, and I talk about that openly. But these products are so easy to use, okay?

If I can do it. If a Marine can do it, anybody can. An 80-year-old grandma can do this. In fact, we have a lot of clients that are 80-year-old grandmas. So real quick, and we're going to talk more about this. But if you want to get one of these things, ladies and gentlemen, use the promo code church and state. You're going to get a discount.

Okay? You're going to get a discount, and you're going to help support church and state. So please check them out, get one of these things. Now, Sean, I want to ask you. because I've heard it myself, and I know you've heard it a lot more than me. You have a bigger dent in your wall than I do. But we hear some similar things from people. And I just want to walk through these because I want to address these excuses that we hear from so many of the people that we talk to.

One of the ones that really annoys me is, well, I don't have anything to hide. Why should I care? If the government is going to watch my phones, they're going to get me preaching to them. I hear that one a lot, too. Can you address that? Yeah, I mean, there's so many ways to address that, and I've heard that, God knows how many times. The folks who think that some FBI agent is dedicated to them and is just sitting there, literally listening to all of their phone calls, is kidding themselves. That's a pride thing, that's an ego thing. It's not a reality thing.

Your information, your phone calls are being transcribed, and that is going on to one of these data centers that they're trying to build, and it's living on a server somewhere, and then they're running an algorithm against it saying, were any of the key? keywords use that we flagged as something that should be worth considering and looking at. And then it will contextually look at the whole conversation and say, is this something that needs to be flagged even more and brought to someone's attention or not? The vast majority of those conversations are not being flagged and brought to any individual's attention. The simple fact that that conversation is being recorded and transcribed and kept indefinitely on servers inside these facilities is a problem.

And we should ask ourselves, well, how do I prevent that from happening? Because if we realize that the very companies that are taking all this information and all this data, are using it against us and working against us, and they're trying to figure out what are the hot topics, what are the buttons that I can press on this person to make them spend a little more time on a platform, or to use against them potentially in a court of law in the future, if we have some new regime change where all of a sudden they say everything's an open book and we go full communist united kingdom or australia or china or canada right they're they're going to have access to

all these logs and they're going to be like well Caleb what you said seven years ago about the jews or what you said two years ago about the uh the Muslims or what you said just yesterday about the gays uh we're going to use that against you and we're going to limit your access to your financial bank accounts or whatever. But if you're someone who's saying, well, I've never said anything mean online, I don't use social media, and I'm just a very good person,

so I have nothing to worry about. Does your Fourth Amendment matter? Does your privacy matter? Does your freedom of speech matter? Yes, it does. And if you're saying, well, no, not really. Then, like, get the heck out of here. Like, why are you even listening to this podcast in the first place?

Like, you should go live in China for a year in communist China for a year or just move to Canada for a year and see how that goes, right? You're going to start to learn real quick that living in these communist countries is not everything it's cracked up to be. So when you start to realize, yes, my First Amendment matters, I'm not planning on offending anybody, but, you know, I probably will, but I'm not planning on doing it, but I should still be able to say whatever the hell I want to whoever the heck I want. I'm not planning on shooting anybody or killing anybody, but I should still be able to have a firearm to use a self-defense if I want to.

And I'm not planning, like, I don't need the government literally living in my home all day every day, which is what they're doing now. So when we realize that Microsoft and Facebook and AT&T and Verizon, these big companies are literally for national security purposes, proxies of our own government, and they have access and control into the operating systems that run all our devices,

they see everything we see, they hear everything we hear, and all of that data has been used to create these new AI models. You're like, well, how have these AI models been able to get so smart? Their dictation is so great, and how are they able to grow so quickly? It's literally, you sign on the terms of service when you started using these tools and these devices all of your data away to include your device taking pictures and video all day every day. So it's literally scanning your facial expressions and learning from that data to then help train its models.

And you signed off on that. You signed off on that. You don't know because you didn't read your terms of service. Who does? No one else for the most part. But that's what you signed off on. So if you're going to sit there and have the attitude of like, well, I've got nothing to hide. Like get out of here.

Go move to China. Like seriously, stop wasting my time and ruining my country. I'm right there with you. one of the other ones that really annoys me. And it predominantly comes from the iPhone users. And I just got to tell you, you iPhone people, most of the time I kind of want to backhand you. I can't help myself. I'm sorry.

I know I'm offensive. It just comes with the territory. But a lot of them, they'll say, well, I just love how it's all interconnected, you know, with their closed source system. And it's connected to my MacBook and everything. And it just really works really well. I find that argument, that excuse to be really shallow and vapid, because I use the tech that we have. And it all works, it works really, really well. Can you address that?

Yeah, I mean, convenience is a reality. I mean, it's a reason why people still go to McDonald's. Like, people who are like, I know I shouldn't eat junk food, but they'll still go to Arbys. They'll go wherever. Like, they'll still go to Chick-fil-A, right? And you're like, well, Chick-fil-A is owned by a good company. Like, yeah, but their food is still garbage and trash and, like, killing you.

Like, it's still not good food for you. Like, you shouldn't eat that every day. Like, maybe once a month, okay. But, like, that should not be part of your. your regular diet. Like, that's not good food. So as you learn more about these things and realize, like, the digital poison that you're consuming by using these tools, you start to have to say, okay, maybe I need to take a shift and realize that the convenience factor is something that can be, as you're, as you're alluding to, totally taking care of on this other spectrum.

It may mean that you have to take a little bit of time to learn the new tool, learn the new system, but it's not like you're walking into this abyss and like you're just going to be totally lost and you're going to have to spend hours and hours like every question that you think you have has already been solved we've already solved it and that's what we've spent four years building as a business is all the documentation so that when you say well how do I do this how do I do that what's the alternative to we can point you to the solution so that you don't have to spend five six hours trying to figure this stuff out on your own and that's why you I get frustrated when I do talk to those Apple customers who are like, why I spent six hours today trying to migrate this, that, and the other. And I'm like, why? That's like me saying, I've spent six hours trying to do a plumbing job in my house. And I'm not a plumber trying to figure this stuff out on my own when all I had to do was called the plumber who's done this thousands of times, which has happened to me many times.

And he was like, bro, all you need is this tool and you do it in this way. And the problem solved in like five minutes. and I'm like, of course. Why didn't I call you sooner, right? So people who just, they waste so much energy and time trying to figure these things out, it's already been solved for, you just have to know where to go to get the information.

And that's why our business exists. Because just like a firearm, you don't just buy something and you're like, oh, this thing is going to make me private and safe. That's not the case. You have to get a little bit educated and trained on how to use it appropriately like the firearm because giving grandma the grenade launcher

isn't going to make her safer. In fact, she's going to be probably more at risk and more of a threat to herself and the people around her if she doesn't have the training and know how to use it. But moreover, that thing is way too much for her. And this is another important point. Like people are using iPhones, they don't even understand how the heck the thing works in the first place.

They just know that it works. They're literally holding the most sophisticated, advanced psychological warfare weapon ever designed. in their hands and carrying it around on the person all day every day. Like it is a weapon. We have to treat it as such. And if you're saying, well, I don't really understand how this thing works. That's a problem.

If all you're using your phone for is some basic browsing, phone calls, text messages, and maybe like navigation every now and again, I can convince you very easily you don't need a smartphone. In fact, that's the last thing you should be using. it's going to add more complexity it's going to add more problems to your life all you need is a basic flip phone or a dump phone

and maybe a Garmin GPS in your car to navigate you where you need to go and even having that conversation with a lot of our customers like lifts this weight off their shoulders and they're like wait so I don't need a smartphone you're totally right I can do most of the things that I think I need to do from my

phone on my laptop at home or my desktop at home I don't need to do that for my phone and like maybe that will allow you to pick your head up and have a conversation with the people around you during the day and like relearn how to be a human being and communicate with other people. Yeah, I absolutely love that. I've used this platform so many times to just rail against individuals who their entire existence is just the phone in front of their face. It's like that it's like the alien from the movie. The phone's grown a tail and it's wrapped itself around your neck and it's just clawed onto your face like that.

It's sad to see. And especially when you're around parents and their kids are just wanting the attention. And the parents are just, hold on, don't bother me. It's really sad. So as we're kind of closing this out, I want to address some of the really cool features on specifically the ghost phone. Because I want the audience to get one of these things. Okay. The sandboxing application, I absolutely love this thing.

You know, I travel for my work. You know that because you travel with me a lot. but I have Uber sandboxed because it's hard to get a cab anymore at airports. So you're using Uber, but I don't want Uber on my phone. So I isolated it through the sandbox and I'm using

very generic terms. You can inform the audience a little bit more on this, but I still have Uber on my phone, but it doesn't have access to everything on my phone. So please address the sandboxing because it's a really cool feature. Yeah, so it's basically compartmentalizing that application on your phone

into like its own totally separate environment. So the app can still work and you control what access that application actually has on your device. And because you now control the operating system, if an update happens or Apple or Google just decides that they want to refresh things, those settings don't change. You are responsible for those settings. So you determine what Uber has access to. And if you put it in isolated in its own little quarantine area, it can't see any of your

contacts, I can't see anything else going on on your device. It's going to have some of your information. You can't say, well, I logged on to my Facebook account from my phone. Is it going to know me? Well, of course it's going to know you. You just logged into your account. It's not going to like truly make you disappear. And I have to say this. But for April 1st, we threw out a campaign that we called Phantom Mode on the ghost phone. And it was April Fool's Day, right? And we said, it will make your phone completely disappear. You won't even be able to see it. no one will even know what's around. We literally had customers and potential customers contacting us saying,

how do I activate this? How do I do? This is amazing. How can I do this? And we were like, are you serious? Like, seriously? You think this is a thing? We did it as a joke, but people actually took us seriously.

But you just have to get smarter about how you use these tools. And you can use Facebook. You can use WhatsApp. Like a lot of people have to talk to relatives via WhatsApp, even though WhatsApp is controlled by Facebook and has all kinds of, you know, bad people on those platforms using it. You can still use it. You can just quarantine it so that it doesn't have access to anything else going on your phone.

Sure. I love it. And as any kitty cat will tell you, what happens in the sandbox, stays in the sandbox. So it's a great feature. The other one that I love too is the nuke code. I love this thing. And I don't pretend like I'm this really important person. Chris won't allow me, neither will my wife.

But if I ever got scooped up by one of the alphabet agencies and they wanted my phone, I can enter in a code into my phone and it nukes it. It's worthless. That's awesome. Mike Lundell, I bet he wishes he had one of our phones when he got scooped up. Yeah. Yeah,

but the key thing with that, Caleb, is you have to back up the data on your phone somewhere. So hopefully and keep that safe and secure somewhere where hopefully the feds won't find it if they go look at their home and house because a lot of people have used that feature and they're like,

but I need access to my data. And I'm like, you just nuked it. Like that's like saying, I just blew up a thing, but I still need the thing. And I'm like, well, you just blew it up. So you have to have a backup plan if you still want to have access to that data. Or you just have to be able to be willing to say, screw it. But the simple fact that a feature like that exists on the device tells you a lot about the team of people that are developing the operating system and the software on the device.

They understand what's at risk and what's happening here in the privacy and security space. Absolutely. And I love, because there's multiple levels of. security here. You know, there's the Graphene OS, that's the operating system. But then we're running, you know, VPNs and fake GPS and encrypted text messaging, encrypted emails. It's multiple layers of privacy. And we'll walk you through the whole process right there. So, Sean, we've gone actually a little bit long. I apologize for holding you a little bit late. But real quick, just tell the audience how they can get one of these things. And Chris, please bring up mark37.com again.

go to the link on Caleb's site. You can find it. It's Mark through 7.com. But also, you know, highly recommend people check out. If you're watching this episode because you're interested in data centers, check out this book. I literally brought, this is like data centers for dummies. You know, one of the things the Lord has gifted me with is the ability to teach, you know,

non-technical people, technical things. It's a byproduct of my dad being the least technically savvy person on the planet and me having to explain this stuff to him over the years. But I've taken that now and moved it from. the data center industry into these devices and into servers and all the rest of it and laptops and whatnot so that book i think is going to be very valuable for those who are wanting to learn more about the data center industry and of course if anyone has any specific questions or wants help with something going on you can reach out to me directly i'm at shan s ean at mark

three seven dot com happy to answer anything data center related as well and i got to tell you i love that shirt too faith is a verb kind of going off of james there faith without works is dead Where can I get that shirt? Boy, that was a really bad setup. It's like I already knew the answer. So we're going to have this up on our website, hopefully about time this thing launches, but this is a new shirt from our business

because we are so tired. No more excuses. We're so tired of the hypocrites. We're so tired of the people, Christians who are out there talking about how we need to reclaim our country for Jesus and our community for Jesus and live our faith, and yet they're not living their faith.

they're still supporting the very companies that are literally trying to kill them and trying to prevent them from practicing their faith. So faith is a verb. And so all the things here, this verb makes up homeschooling, homesteading, you know, defending the unborn, you name it. It's all all the things that we need to be doing and should be doing on a daily regular basis where we're putting our faith into action. I absolutely love that. All right. Well, Sean, it's been awesome having you on the show. I'm going to go ahead and close us out. If you hold on one more minute post-production to say our goodbye. I'd appreciate it. But again, thank you not only for joining us and sharing this message, but all the work that you're doing for privacy-oriented people,

offering a solution against this big tech tyranny that's really just swallowed America as a whole. Well, I appreciate you for giving me a platform and for all the work that you're doing. And we can't stop. We've decided to put ourselves on the front lines of this war, man. So we've got to keep fighting it. More to come, too. We got some more surprises we didn't even get into. So, you know, we'll have you back.

But again, thanks for coming on the show. All right, there you go, ladies and gentlemen. Mark37.com. It is a solution. Okay, look, I know many of you have pet projects, you know, areas that you have been called to. But privacy is one of those things. And regardless of the issue, if it's a Second Amendment, it's, if the First Amendment, you know, abortion, when we're in this fight, we've got to have secure comms. As a Marine and as a Marine that worked in comms, like comms is essentially.

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