The Prepper Broadcasting Network - Church & State -The Great Reset, with Jay Jusino Part 1

Episode Date: April 28, 2026

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a hold of us, Church and State 1776 at Proton.me. With that, buckle up. This is going to be a really interesting analysis of the Great Reset. Now, it is my pleasure to bring to you, Jay Jocino. He's a husband and father of seven children. He is blessed there, all homeschooled as well. He started his teaching career in public schools, but transitioned to Christian schools for most of his 22-year career. Training in biology. He's also taught chemistry, anatomy, physics, logic, Bible, and world religion. He's also authored a book that I'm actually going to promote. I'm looking forward to actually reading the book. It's called Truth is Fallen in the Street. And he's authored a paper that we're going to be discussing today on Understanding the Great Reset.

Jay, it's a pleasure to have you on Church and State. Thank you, Caleb. I'm grateful that you had me on. Thank you so much. Absolutely. Yeah, a real pleasure. So I gave you a good introduction there, but I did want to bring up because I think this really speaks to your character. You ended up not being able to continue as a teacher. Is that fair to say? Yes, sir. I was fired from a Christian school, yeah, for my opposition to critical race theory. And yeah, they just, they literally ran me out with armed security the very day that this was brought up. After 22 years of teaching and being a Christian, you know, I was a teacher trainer at my previous Christian school for many years and, you know,

it was quite a, quite an interesting occurrence, I would say that. But, It opened my eyes to where a lot in the church are at, really following a Marxist ideology, Marxist agenda, and they really become social activist for Marxism. And that is what spurred me to go on into writing, talking about, teaching about the Great Reset, and, of course, the topic today, which is how Satan and his role in transhumanism, artificial intelligence, and how that works out in our modern society. Yeah, I'm excited to tackle this. subject. Obviously, anybody who's anyone has been paying attention to this great reset, this agenda.

We have the spokespeople, the Yvall and the Herrari's, the Klaus Schwabes that are pushing this agenda upon us. Most, sadly enough to say, most of the governments have bought into this belief system because, honestly, it's attractive in means of control. When you're at the top, if you're at the top of the mountain, the biggest thing you don't want to occur is a landslide because you don't want what you own to shift downward towards the people so that we're all on a level playing field. And that's really what the Great Reset is all about. So I'm excited to tackle this with you. And you really bring it up. I mean, you go right into talking about the fact that Satan and his minions are not creative. And I love that. It's something that really stuck out to me as I was

reading through this paper is a lot of people don't actually drill down into that. the fact that Satan is not a creative entity. Yeah, let me quickly read the title of paper, just to be clear. It's called Identifying Satan's Role in Transhumanism, AI, and the Internet, the mechanism of Daniel 723. So that is the aspect, if you will, of the Great Reset that we're focusing on in this particular paper. It's actually, just so you know, this particular paper, the title I just read, is just part of the introduction to my Great Reset presentation. So there's lots of aspects to this.

We're not going to be able to cover everything in one time. But yeah, let me go back to your question then. Satan is not a creator. We look into Genesis 1-1. In the beginning, God created. We recognize that God in his very nature is creative. I mean, he is the creative, create everything. So man is made in his image.

And so man is also creative, obviously not to the degree that God is. But nevertheless, we are sub-creators where we have that image that comes through. But angels are not. Angels do not have that. And Satan isn't a creator by his nature. That's just an important point to grasp. And therefore, because of that, Satan needs really to use the creation that already exists to be able to exercise his plan. In it, I would submit his plan is to be God.

He wants to be God. or thinks he is God. And so he's got to use what's here, what God has made actually, right, to actually try to accomplish his deceptive, his own self-deceptive goal. So that's an important point. And I'm just trying to help people understand when I make some of the claims that I make in my paper regarding artificial intelligence, the Internet, and how things work together against us, I want them to be able to say, well, it's really, he's not really crazy.

It's really logically consistent with what the Bible teaches. That's really why I'm putting this together. Absolutely. But this is a really interesting conclusion to come to, sir, is that not only Satan, but the entire angel class, they're not creators. For so often, as Christians, we tend to look at angels with awe. You know, obviously there's many scripture references where angels will come and be messengers to people. And they always are very sad, don't bow to me.

Don't worship me, right? Well, I should say the ones that are not fallen do. But to separate us, to make it to where we can understand that angels also marvel at us and marvel at our creative ability because, as you just pointed out, we have that spark of the creator in us. Absolutely. I mean, you know, animals can create things. You know, birds procreate, you know, they have eggs and there's little birds come out and they build nests. but that's pretty much where their creativity ends. And the same is true, really, of all the other different varieties of animals that God made.

But what we don't understand, I guess we don't oftentimes think, because that's the same thing of the angelic world. They don't create either. And therefore, there's got to be some, if Satan, I mean, Satan's very smart. He's evil, but he's super smart. And a man, of course, is super smart that God has made him so. We look in the book of Genesis and I think it's 11 verse 6, where it said of people, God is speaking to people, that if this is what they've begun to do,

nothing they put their mind to will be impossible for them. That's remarkable statement that God made about humans, not that man is great in and of himself, but God made him that way. And God had to step in at Babel and confuse the language to separate the people such that their unified efforts wouldn't bring on Satan's rebellion at that time and stop God's purpose and plan of having the Messiah come. So God had to take action. But yeah, people are super smart. Angels, of course, are super smart, but they don't have that same role that humans do.

So the angelic world has to employ humans essentially to accomplish the things that they're trying to bring about. And I think it's important then for us to recognize the mechanism. And that's kind of one of the things in my paper I really try to focus on is the mechanism of total control. which is what Satan wants. I mean, if he's going to be God, he's got to be omnipresent, and he's got to be omniscient, he's got to have all power. He has to be able to create, which he can't do because he's not a creator. He's got to find these things somehow, somewhere.

He's got to come up with it. But since he can't himself because of his nature, he has to employ humans to do the work for him. And so, you know, angels, the scripture says, angels are ministering spirits, right? Sent out to render service for the sake of those who will inherit salvation. That's primarily how we

see the angelic world. Obviously, they have lots of functions. They deliver important messages. They signal important events, you know, trumpets, if you will. They carry out God's commands. They perform military functions. They were present at the giving of

the Mosaic law. But again, they're not creative. Yeah, and it's really quite fascinating to me because the devil has to hijack humanity to implement his plans. And we can look through the modern lens and see examples of that. I mean, Elon Musk talking about he wants access to the demonic technology. I mean, it's pretty telling when one of the world's smartest men is telling you that it's demonic technology. I tend to pay attention to that. We see what's going on in CERN, for example, whether they're trying to tear a hole into a portal.

into what some would describe as hell. I would tend to agree with that. But even going back, and I really want to start more towards the beginning of this, because Genesis 6-4 actually shows us, I believe, the first time that we see the hijacking of humanity to implement the devil's plans here, they weren't able to create their own offspring. So what did they have to do? They had to hijack humanity in order to create offspring. And of course, I'm referencing the Nephilim in Genesis the 6-4 there. Absolutely, and I use that as support for my position in my paper. As I have mentioned to you, Tim Chafee, Dr. Tim Chafee, wrote the book, Fallen, the Sons of

God of the Nephilim. And he makes the case, I'll just read a quote from him, from his, actually, this is from his website, his, yeah, his website. It says, the Bible tells us that rebellious, angelic beings, married women, and their offspring were the Nephilim, the giants. This was a sin against the natural order and contributed to the overall depravity of man that brought about the judgment of the flood. So, yeah, so I believe this is evidence to what I'm saying is accurate. Now, obviously, there's a lot of different opinions about Genesis 6-1 through 4 that people would think, you know, you and I are crazy to think that.

I understand that those views are out there. I'm not naive to that. Nevertheless, I think this is really good, just application of what I'm suggesting, just to give people a sense for how this could take place. Yeah, I would completely agree with that. And yes, I'm familiar as well with the whole Seth lineage idea. I just don't think it really holds much water when we truly examine it.

I'm obviously going to go towards the book of Enoch, which I understand why it was not canonized. But obviously the Jewish people held it in great reverence. It's quoted in Jude. It's found in the Dead Sea Scrolls. The Ethiopian Bible still continues to have it. So there is a lot to say for this book. But I think even without the book of Enoch, I think Genesis 6'4 with the fallen angels mating with humankind makes more sense biblically, especially as we continue to read through.

And we see these Nephilim, these giants that really are abeyn on human beings. humanity's existence. Absolutely. Yeah, but there's a goal here. This is the point I'm trying to get at is there's a goal. Satan is not just out there randomly creating havoc. He has a purpose. The book, and I say the book, I'm speaking of the Bible, it goes somewhere. It's not just, it's just not just there. I mean, clearly it's pointing us to Christ as our savior and the savior of the whole world. But as a narrative, in a storyline, it has a beginning, it has a middle, and it has an end.

So Satan's taking this somewhere, and what I'm suggesting is that this, this attribute that he has, or I shouldn't say attribute, this attribute that he's missing, he needs to use humans for, is part of his plan. Now, I'm not suggesting when I use Satan's plan that God is not sovereign or that God does it, somehow God has lost control. That's not at all what I'm suggesting. And God has given people freedom. You know, I got the freedom to use my fist, but I could punch you in the nose with it.

Or I'd make a bad choice. Satan also and the angelic world has freedom to a degree also. They don't, of course, make right or good decisions. But the point is, God's given this freedom, and Satan is taking the freedom that has been given him for a time, and he's bringing it to a place. And that's what I'm trying to alert people to because when I have seen in this great reset, model, if you will, is that, and I'm going to quickly reference a couple things I wrote earlier, is that ministries, when COVID came along, I noticed that, you know what,

it's a ton of ministries, Christian ministries following the Great Reset narrative. They were following the COVID narrative. And, you know, I'll be honest, it's not like I knew everything. I wasn't an expert and had everything all of this figured out, but it was an eye-opening experience for me, ministry after ministry after ministry, I found joining that narrative, joining that, and I'm like, wait, this can't, this shouldn't be. And that prompted me to start alerting Christians to, hey, what is this narrative and why are you following it? And we shouldn't be following it. The biblical model, the biblical command is that we resist in the evil day, the schemes of the devil, not to join them.

So that's kind of where my heart lies in this. Absolutely. And by the way, Chris, I got to point out to that my guest just threatened to punch me in the face. I now understand why he was escorted out of the school with armed security. Yes, I think we're seeing that. Obviously, I jest, ladies and gentlemen, but the totalitarianism aspect of this. And this to me is such evidence that this truly is a battle between good versus evil. Good, obviously, we have that freedom that you were just talking about, But throughout recorded history, we've seen totalitarian regimes rise and fall. Obviously, with their actions, we can infer that these people are following the devil

through all of their actions. But all of it is to an end goal. And this is what I so appreciate about your paper here is it's so singular. Everything that they're doing right now points to a singular point. And that is total control. And as we've discussed, as you pointed out, Satan's not able to be created. so he's hijacking humanity, and we're seeing this being implemented in artificial intelligence.

We're seeing this being implemented in Agenda 2030. All of these things have one thing in common. They want to move everybody into a city center because we're easier to control that way. They don't want people living in the rural zones. They want artificial intelligence because they're going to be able to eventually put a mark in us to where everybody, everything that we're doing can be seen,

much like what's currently occurring in China and other dystopian regimes around the world. 100% John 844 Jesus was speaking to some of his detractors there and he said You are of your father The devil

And then he goes on to say First He was The devil was a murderer from the beginning And he's a liar and the father of lies So yes There are people out there That are simply listening to their father

The devil And when they do that We get what we see What you just talked about is the result of that. So, you know, Psalm 2, verse 1 and 2 talks about the nations, the kings of the earth, and the peoples of the earth taking their stand. And then it says they gather, they counsel, take counsel to gather against the Lord and against His Anointed. That's the general default position of kings, nations, rulers of the earth. They take their stand against the Lord and against His Anointed.

They're listening to their father, the devil, and they're just doing these things. that he has instructed them, so to speak. And when this happens all over the planet, over the course of time, guess what it looks like? Well, it looks like a global conspiracy. I mean, that's exactly, it is a conspiracy. It's a satanic one, but it's not that everyone throughout history has gotten together on this red phone and talk to each other about everything,

although that happens with Bilderberg meetings and all kinds of stuff like that. But throughout the course of history, you can't explain it. that way you can only explain it i would submit bible is the only thing that explains it and that's that people are simply following their father the devil and in the process of that as technology as human progress has occurred and technology is increased uh they have just taken this technology and the quote-unquote progress of humanity and they have worked it right into this model that they have of of uh essentially rebelling against god in a unified fashion a global fashion and of course that the

appeal to us is that we can become immortal without God. That's what the religious humanism and the Elon Musk's, you know, they want this hive mind and they want the you know, they want to

reconstitute ourselves the instant after death because we've got all for information saved and that we can become, you know, immortal. But no God involved. So it's totally satanic. It's a false gospel. That's a false gospel.

That's a false narrative. It's a false savior that the technology will save us. It will not save us. Only Christ Jesus, by his blood and his death bearer and resurrection will save us. Amen. So well said to that. I'd like to give an example to the audience and have you way in here on something you just said. And I agree with your assessment of this completely.

These totalitarians that have emerged. throughout history. Yeah, they're not all connected in that they are all communicating with each other. Obviously, some of them were dead before the next one emerged or something like that. But just as an example, World War II, and you've got to really, ladies and gentlemen, think of this as a chessboard. And if Satan is one of the kings, right, we'll call them the Black King on this one, to represent the darkness there. World War II, you have players like Hitler and Stalin, who are both bad characters, but they're both pawns. And Satan cared not if Hitler won or Stalin won. All he cared about was the death, the destruction, the attacks against the humanity, God's creation here.

And ultimately, that more and more people were oppressed. That's what it was about. But he didn't care if he sacrificed a pawn of Hitler or a pawn of Stalin. Right. And I would add to that, though, yeah, he wanted the death, the destruction, et cetera. But he also was still working out his own agenda to get everything in history and the nations to a place. place. And so, you know, that was part of the World War. I mean, the, the, the, the, the, uh, Dunbarton Oaks conference, uh, the, essentially, you know, happened right there near the end of

World War II was the, was the conference between what, Great Britain, the U.S., China and, uh, Russia, if I'm not mistaken, correct me if I'm wrong, those four agreed before World War II ended to create essentially the United Nations and, and bring this whole global unity thing to bear. So that's just incredible. So Satan has a had a purpose in that. And absolutely, yes. He's a murder, like we said. The enemy comes to kill, steal, and destroy it. He loves that. But in the process of all that, he's taking everything for himself, and he's creating this plan to rule over everyone, which ultimately is a destruction of what God loves, because he's destroying people. And it is a putting himself as God. And that's really, again, what he wants. So if I can just add a couple of things. Can I add to that real quick? You mentioned you brought up CERN, just a little back. They were the first, if I'm not mistaken, according to my research, the first website was from CERN. That's an interesting thing.

If you get their emblem, you know, it's kind of interesting imagery there. But I want to talk about Hitler for just a minute. And the book that Edwin Black wrote, IBM and the Holocaust, The Strategic Alliance between Nazi Germany and America's most powerful corporation, I highly recommend your audience be aware of this book and get it, you know, check it out of the library and read it. It's just absolutely fascinating in a horrible way. I mean, it's terrible what's in there. But he does a painstaking job of cataloging what actually happened. And essentially IBM, which, of course, we know as a U.S. technology company at this point, really was instrumental in executing the, well, executing the funds.

functioning of the concentration camps and everything else that the Nazis did. And the point is that this tech, now they did it through their punch card system. And again, I encourage you to look at Edwin Black and his work on this. But here's the point. If there was a mechanism to Hitler's destruction. I mean, it wasn't random. It wasn't just a bunch of guys out there with machine guns shooting the Jews. And for that matter, six million other non-Jews that were also executed at that time.

but he had a assembly line type mechanism and the mechanism was supported by IBM and his IBM machines that were running the gas chambers and the trains that brought the people in they had to be serviced every two weeks by IBM technicians

to keep going and the US knew about this you know yeah I mean the US leadership FDR knew about this and Watson was a friend of FDR and he was Watson was the head of this company he was a friend of Thomas J. Watson's his name, friend of FDR and Adolf Hitler, one of Hitler's highest regarded people because he allowed Hitler to do what he did. And so here's my point.

There was a mechanism. There's a mechanism to what Satan does. And just like there was a mechanism during this time in history, that mechanism still exists. It's just, it's grown. It's improved, quote, unquote, you know, toward the negative side. And I'm trying to expose that. And, you know, if you look at IBM's history and to see what they've done, and they were instrumental in bringing the, you know, the personal computer to the average person.

And you are familiar with what, the show Jeopardy, right? Remember in, what, 2011 when Watson was the name of the supercomputer, the AI, if you will, that beat humans first in Jeopardy? I mean, it was the first time a computer beat humans, right? Well, that computer's name was Watson. It was named after Thomas J. Watson of IBM, who was the guy collaborating with Hitler to kill the, you know, to kill the Jews. That's amazing. And this is, you know, they have been, IBM has pioneered some of these things like, you know, the, let's see here.

They pioneered some of the, the best way I can say it is, the, the real. research and development that has gone into agentic AI. And so I'm suggesting that what was happening in Hitler's Germany, there was a lot of things going on, but it was kind of like practiced for what's coming. It was for them. I mean, for the for the, for Satan and for his, you know, followers, so to speak. It was, and it was a research and development phase of what they needed to accomplish to gain what really is available to them today.

And that is, as we've already discussed, the absolute technological control of everything and everyone through a technocracy model, if you will, through the algorithm, through the AI, through all the social media, all the connectivity. And in my paper, I bring up this idea of interoperability. And that's the key mechanism today. I want people to understand. I'm making this analogy to Hitler's Germany and this punch card system to today. The mechanism today is interoperability. When everything is connected to everything else, he can control everything. I mean, if Satan's behind that, he can control everything.

So I'll stop right there and let you jump in here. But that's a key, that's a key point. And I love what you're bringing up here. And I will also point out that we're still the vast majority of us, anyway, are still taking vaccines from companies that started in Nazi Germany. Great idea, guys, on that one. Operation paperclip comes to mind where we took all these German scientists and brought them over and created NASA, which I don't really trust NASA very much, don't believe much of what they're saying. But yeah, we have over and over again examples of all of it working together,

that singular point that we were talking about. And I will just say this, Satan is doing a whole lot a trial and error, okay? Because he doesn't know the end goal. He knows his end goal, but he doesn't know how he's going to get there. And so he develops these, these tyrants. He speaks into their minds, Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot. I mean, there's so many examples, Mao, and he's seeing what works and what doesn't work. And ultimately, he's going to come to a point where it'll work for a time. And we're going to get back into that when we return from the break here. But Jay, you have agreed to do another 45, or sorry, 15 minutes with us. Are you aware that the Holy Word of God tells us to eat beef?

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Jay Jacino, and we've been covering a lot of subjects here, all centered around the great recent. set and what they're attempting to accomplish here. But Jay, I had just commented that Satan is doing a lot of trial and error, and I love your thoughts about that. Yeah, trial and error. He is implementing things, and it's fascinating to watch. So, for instance, a central currency implemented in Nigeria, right?

Didn't work. But guess what they said about it? It was a success, they said. So this is kind of how when he, you know, trial and error, yeah, he does stuff and he, he's, you know, it serves a purpose. And even if it doesn't work in the sense, perhaps, that it doesn't maybe do the final blow, it's, you know, he uses it. Now, think of it this way. God uses Christians, right? We're all made by God and God gives people gifts and talents and whatnot.

And the body of Christ is to be used in that way. way, we're not all the hand, we're not all the foot, we're not all the right shoulder. We have different parts. We have to work together. Well, Satan, interestingly enough, uses that same concept only for people who are rejecting God. He uses all their skills and all their abilities that God has given them to actually work as a body on his team. And so now, it's important to note that just like in the Christian world, we as Christians don't always work together the way we should, right? Where sometimes we're fighting and arguing one another.

Well, that happens on the satanic side as well. His people, quote unquote, don't always mesh perfectly, do they? And so he has to manage that as, when I say manage that. I mean, he's, remember, he has a goal, he has a plan, he has a purpose. He's got to manage that. So there's a lot of things, so, yeah, in the process of all this managing, there's a lot of trial and error going on. And, you know, Satan's people, quote, unquote, don't always do what he wants them to do,

aren't as effective as he wants him to be. And so he's got to kind of reconnect and, you know, do something else. So, or use a different person. So I think, I hope that answers your question. Yeah, it definitely does. Now, I'd like to transition to some of these words that we've been throwing out. And in the Marine Corps, we were taught an acronym. Keep it simple, stupid, kiss.

All right. And so I want to be cognizant of that for the audience. Perhaps there are people that are listening. They don't exactly know what transhumanism. is, right? This is a word we've thrown out here. I'd love for you to give a definition of it, and then let's discuss a little bit more. What's that looking like in the modern context? Sure. Transhumanism essentially is this idea that man will be able to overcome all of his problems. So the Savior is man, and he does that through this idea of using technology to enhance

the human body and extending life. And understand that this word really came from, it really is eugenics. That's what's important going back to the World War II. It's eugenics, but eugenics got a bad name because of what Hitler, again, accomplished for the enemy's sake. And it was renamed by Julian Huxley in the 1940s, I believe. And of course, Julian Huxley wrote

the introduction to UNESCO. UNESCO's founding document was a philosophy if you will was written by Huxley. Huxley was the grandson of Thomas Huxley, Darwin's Bulldog, remember him. So anyway, he wrote And didn't his brother write a really

interesting book here too? Yeah. Yes. Absolutely. Brave New World, certainly. Yeah, you wonder where that came from. Yeah, it's not a mystery. It's really right out in the open. People don't know it, though. So here's his quote. He says, Human species can, if it wished, transcend itself, not just sporadically, but in its entirety as humanity.

We need a name for this new belief. Perhaps transhumanism will serve. Man remaining man, but transcending himself by realizing new possibilities of and for his human nature. Do you need to understand, this was fundamentally evolutionary in nature, and they believed that they would be able to, as Humanism Manifesto won the concluding paragraph in 19. 1933 states that they believe they could take over evolution and make it theirs. And that's what they intended. That's what transhumanism is. It's humans who believe that they are at the top of the evolutionary, you know, ladder or model, if you will.

And they are directing now the evolutionary progress toward their goal. And I'll let me read the quote. This is an important quote to get the history of this. I mean, this is from human, again, Humanist Manifesto 1, 1933, the concluding paragraph. it says this so stand these of the theses of religious humanism note that word religious humanism it's important though we consider the religious forms and ideas of our fathers no longer adequate the quest for the good life is still the central task for mankind and here's the key man is at last becoming aware that he alone is responsible for the realization of the world of his dreams

that he has within himself the power for its achievement, he must set intelligence and will to the task. I couldn't be more clear. So that's what transhumanism is, but its goal, there's a goal to it, and that's immortality. So they're taking the evolutionary process, so they think, and they are, I don't believe in evolution, just be very clear.

I don't believe in Darwin's evolution. I believe it's wrong. But they believe they're taking this process, and their goal is immortality. Now, that's being like God, the thing that Eve was tempted with in Genesis 3. So keep in mind now, AI, artificial intelligence, also has an end place.

The transhumanism end place is immortality, all right, for the human body, and if nothing else, at least for the human mind. But the AI's goal is God-like AI. There's 10 stages of AI. and the early stages of AI are very useful for us, but the end stage is not so. God-like-I.

So transhumanism's goal essentially is to be like God and AI same. Right? So that sounds familiar. Where have I heard that before? Genesis 3, I've heard it in Isaiah 14. I will be like the most high, you know, Lucifer said. So this is what's being pushed.

and that's what transhumanism is from start to finish. I mean, that's its origin and that's where it goes. Yeah, it's a fantastic breakdown of what it is. I would also like to point out to the audience that Huxley was a communist spy. I was out of it for that. And communism, I would argue, and I think I'm 100% accurate, that is a satanic political ideology, much like most of the isms, I would say, out there. But I love this as far as transhumanism.

humanism. You've broken it down. And this is where the devil is hijacking humanity to supposedly bring on that next stage of evolution. We're not, even though those who believe in evolution believe it occurs naturally, they're not happy with that anymore. They want to engineer the next stage of human evolution. And this is literally almost a quote from you've all know Harari right there by using, by merging mankind with machines to make us, as you stated, godlike. And with that end goal of being immortal. And honestly, Jay, just a side note on that, I can't imagine a more terrible punishment than being immortal in the current state that I am. Say that again, a more terrible punishment than what?

Than being immortal in the current state that we are as humanity. Like that sounds like a punishment to me, not a blessing. Absolutely. And that is exactly why God, um, banished Adam and Eve from the tree of life in the garden because if they were to have eaten from those from that tree, they would have lived forever and in this fallen state. And that's just not what is good for us. So no, why would we want? You know, the Bible, the evangelistic part of this is that the Bible has the answers to this and we do get new bodies, right? Perfect bodies. I mean, If you believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, receive him as your Savior, you know, believing he's God. And then he took the punishment for your sins on my sins on the cross.

And he was our substitute, rose again from the grave, conquering death. I mean, if you believe that, you will get a new body. But yet these people, so this is the point is that they don't want anything to do with God. That's the point here. They want this improvement, but they don't want the God who, who could give it to them if they just submitted to him, received him, honored and glorified him. But yeah, you've all know, Harariah, you come out, I'm looking for a quote from him. Yeah, he said, you know, we now are gaining this creative ability for ourselves, he says, right?

And so, yeah, that's a scary, scary thought. It truly is. And I will say this, the older I get, the more I'm looking forward to just taking off this flesh suit, Just having it completely removed and being restored to the condition that God originally created us to. Now, sir, you said something really interesting about artificial intelligence, and I'd love to dive into this next. But you said the 10 stages, and that 10th stage is achieving that God-like status. Can we expand a little bit more upon that?

Yeah, AI, so let me bring up Patrick Wood for just a minute here. He's fairly, I would say, the Christian, expert on this topic and you know the the say the question again forgive me I'm I got two things on my mind and I forgive me no you you'd mention that there are 10 stages to AI in the last stage is that godlike achievement and so I'd like to just expand a little bit more on that for the audience yes again there is a purpose to history and Satan wants to be God and he can't be God on his own. Therefore, he has to create a mechanism by which he can exercise God-like abilities to quote,

Yvonneur Harari. And so AI gives him this ability through the algorithms, through the agentic nature of AI. Remember, Satan, the Bible says that these times will come, the lawless will be revealed in accordance with the activity of Satan. Right? And so with all kinds of false signs and wonders and whatnot. And so this whole idea is just Satan wants to do this. And he, he again, needs to use humans. But at the end of the day, we need to understand that, let me just say this.

Forgive me, I'm a little bit scattered. I do apologize to that. You can do me things into one quick sentence. but Satan's not going to achieve his final goal, but he will go a long way in getting there. And that's very important for us to understand. So Patrick Wood, back to him, but real quick, he makes the case that the only good use of AI is to destroy AI. And so I think that's a fascinating point. and so AI again is the tool a key tool I'm not saying it's the only tool but it is a crowning tool for Satan to become godlike that's that's really it he has to have that ability to be everywhere to be able to affect everyone to be able to know everything right how can he do that how can he do that he can't do that he's but with this technology he can you follow I mean when I say he can he can't

literally, but he can as close as could possibly be imagined, this technology will allow him to be, or act like God. Yeah, to be everywhere all at once. Everywhere all the time. Absolutely. Everybody is already carrying around a cell phone.

Pretty much almost all of humanity has a cell phone, a smartphone, I should say. And they're always going to it. To me, artificial intelligence is like another opiate. You know, there's a lot of things that humanity takes to escape, to escape reality to stop having to be responsible to take responsibility for their actions right you can take

drugs for that you can take alcohol for that but AI is another version of this it's it's literally destroying man's creativity and you can see examples of this i've talked about this before on the show where somebody will post something on social media um x is is the example i'm going to use here and the first response i see this all the time is somebody will just type grok is this true You don't even take the time to explore it, to read through the article, to get past the snazzy little headline, and to go search through the internet, which we have access to all the world's information through the internet. But no, instead, they just go, grok, is this true? Yeah, the danger, you're correct. The danger is that it becomes the standard.

And what do we know as the standard? Well, the standard is God's word. The standard is the truth of the Lord and is contained in His Word. standard is not grok it's not open a i it's not any of these platforms whatever they might be named and unfortunately the younger generation is being trained without realizing it which is i think a critical point that that we go to to that source the internet the the i i i know right the algorithms for truth and so i was listening to a i was i was listening to a couple of young kids there are probably the four-year-old range.

They were just, they were playing next to where I was working one day. Anyway, they were listening to a, they had tablets and they were on their tablets and they were listening to some children's show. And the children's show was a show about, I don't remember the name of it, but it was about this little science group, the gang of, you know, kids, science. And the leader was a young girl, of course. And she went on to, they had some problem. They came up and she said, hey, we'll ask the algorithm.

That was that's what they I mean four year old kids, you know, that's their go-to source for truth. Science, as you know, it means knowledge, right? And so what does the Bible say? The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge, right? So they're shifting the knowledge, the source of knowledge to the algorithm, to the AI, to the tech computer. And they're teaching young kids of this. And this is terrible. And kids don't recognize, and parents don't realize the, that this is happening to the degree that it is.

and it's happening at breakneck speed. It's happening so fast. That's one of the reasons I wrote this paper. And again, by the way, this paper is written to pastors. That is my heart is for pastors to read this. Because it's kind of in depth and there's lots of footnotes. Not everyone's going to read it, but pastors should digest this and see. First and the president's case seems right.

Another one comes forward in questions, sent, right? To take a look. Eyes iron, sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another. Read it and see if. I've got anything valuable for your congregation for your flock. And it's the younger generation that, unfortunately, in my opinion, is at most at risk here. And it's the older generation, because they don't recognize it, they're not grasping these things, they're not seeing them happen.

They're missing it. Yeah, I agree. They're not leading the younger generation in a right way. By example, they're leading wrongly. Hey, Google, you know, hey, Siri, you know. from the poll, but you'll hear pastors say, Google, you know, or something, or I ask Google this, or I ask, you know, they don't know what they're doing.

I love pastors, you know. Every pastor I've ever met, it's been a great guy, you know. I'm not out to hammer, but they're not getting this. They're missing it, and they're leading, they're allowing the younger generation especially, but also others to just embrace this, and it's not, it's not right. Yeah, I would agree. And I mean, we were promised that kids would become smarter with the introduction of computers into the classrooms. Well, have we seen the test scores lately?

They're abysmal. You have pastors literally getting caught that are... Oh, go ahead. Yeah. Oh, to your point earlier, you know, the students just ask GROC or ask whatever. You know, they're not smarter. They're just referencing a different source to get their information for freedom. I have to work for it.

Exactly. And humans are, you know, we are inherently. lazy, right? I mean, by nature, or human nature, we're lazy. And we'll just let Grock answer it instead of us. We don't, you know, why do the work? Sure. It is, it's that much simpler. And I mean, you even have pastors getting caught. Their whole sermon has been written by artificial intelligence. It's a massive problem within the church. Now, ladies and gentlemen, I have some good news for you. Jay has actually agreed to do a second part because we haven't even gotten through half of this paper here. So we're going to keep diving into it. So we're we're going to keep diving into it. So we're You got a second part coming up, but Jay, I did ruin them real quick. Your book can be purchased, and Chris will bring this up. The truth is fallen in the street. That is at vervante.com store.vervante.com.

You can purchase the book right there. This is not about what we've been talking about, but specifically what's going on within the schools. And then you also have a Rumble page as well. The War for Truth. It might be a little bit hard to search for. Bannon might come up, but you can search for the War for Truth, and we'll have that link in the show so that you can go to that and watch a number of videos that you've produced here. But Jay, we're going to go ahead and close this thing out, and we're going to come back for part two.

I appreciate your time. I appreciate all the work that you're putting into this, waking people up. And any last words for the audience with part one? Last words, Ephesians 511, do not participate in the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them. Hopefully, we'll talk more about that in the next section. Yeah, absolutely. I look forward to tackling that with you.

So, like I said, good news, ladies and gentlemen. There's going to be a part two to this interview. Jay, once again, thank you for coming on Church and State. Thanks for having me. I appreciate it. Absolutely. All right. Well, there you go, ladies and gentlemen.

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