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Episode Date: April 29, 2026

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with that we're going to go right back into understanding the great reset this is part two if you're if you stumbled upon this and you're like part two go look for part one what we're talking about right now it's not going to make much sense so you got to go to part one first but jay is joining us again jacino as i said in the first episode husband and father of seven children all homeschooled. He's been a public school teacher. He's been a Christian school teacher. He was actually expelled, and I'm using the word intentionally, from the Christian school that he had been at because he stood up against cultural Marxism, just absolute garbage, but was escorted out by armed security. He's an author. He's taught a number of subjects, including chemistry,

logic, Bible, world religions. And it is just an absolute pleasure to have you again on the show, Jay. Thank you, Caleb. I'm tickled pink to be here. So thank you very much for having me. Absolutely. So we're just going to pick up where we left off. And as we were closing the show,

you brought up Ephesians 511, warning Christians to have nothing to do with the fruit of darkness. And yet it's exactly what we're doing. And I'd love for you to pick it up right there. Yeah, do not participate in the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them. And as I mentioned,

in the last episode. One of my concerns with when the COVID thing came along, I've just found ministry after ministry participating really with the narrative, not exposing it. They were doing the opposite of what that verse teaches us to do as believers. And so I got motivated to, as well as, you know, being fired from the Christian school foreposing cultural Marxism. I realized that the Christian world, especially the Christian institutional world, meaning schools and ministries and groups of Christians together, they're all trying to not buck the system and not be out in left field. So they're just kind of going along with it. And as is not what we should be doing.

So I'm trying to expose a mechanism that we shouldn't be going along with. And I will submit it is difficult because as we're going to get into, I realized that we talked last time about interoperability. How do you avoid how do you how do you how do you avoid that that's hard and I want to get to that in this particular section if we can but but let me go back to something else that we mentioned a little bit ago I wanted to mention Ammanjabee and the reason I bring him up is because you know people might disagree with me on a myriad of different issues that I'm bringing up here in this particular interview or in this paper, I've got some Bible verses. They say, hey, I don't hold that eschatology. It's not why I see that.

What I'm trying to suggest is you don't have to hold my eschatological view. You don't have to hold, you know, to everything I might think about a particular text in scripture to see what's happening. You don't have to do that. You can be, and to realize that we should avoid this. We should, we should run from it. We should expose it. And so Amandrabi is my classic, you know, I guess example of that's the case. So he was interviewed by Maria Z, and I'm just going to read a quote from him in the interview, which I have referenced in my paper. He says this.

He says, I am not a Christian, but I have a lot of Christian friends, and they believe in the whole, you know, the beast system. But really, it is a beast system, whether you take it religiously or practically, it is a beast system that is being unrolled, end quote. And so he can see it. It's plain to him. Now, he was, again, he was Silicon Valley techie, worked there for 25 years. He now exposes, but he's exposing all the same stuff I am as a non-Christian. You know, forget the pre-trip, post-trip, mid-trip. I mean, all the rapture timings and the, you know, post-mill, ah-mill.

I mean, you can just throw that in his, I mean, I'm not saying those are unimportant. As you know, they are important. But what I'm getting at is you don't have to be entrenched in one of those views to see this. And I think sometimes those, the views that I just mentioned, sometimes I think the labels of those views, maybe not the labels, but some of the things in those views blind people to seeing what's right in front of them. And so let me read a little bit more. This is not a quote from him. I'm just finishing out my thoughts. One does not have to be a Christian to see what is very plain in our time.

A system of total and absolute control is being set up, interoperability, and hence the connecting. to everything, which is key point. It's a key component of this as connecting gives informational data, which can then be used to control and manipulate. So, you know, we're being connected up so that we can be controlled. On the front side, connectivity is great because, boy, it allows us to do all kinds of stuff. It's allowing us to do this interview right now. Absolutely.

And so to be very clear, my position, and I state this in the paper, I am not anti-technology. I'm not saying that we can't use the internet or even AI for that matter for the expansion of the gospel. I'm not saying that. A.I. is distributed across pretty much all platforms already anyway, right? It's like it's hard to do anything on the computer without some interference with AI. What the enemy meant for evil, God means for good, right? It's the principle there. We get from Genesis chapter 50, if I'm not mistaken, and Joseph's story. So we want to use what the enemy is created for evil and use for good, but history, as I said, is going somewhere. And the people that are enemies of God are using this, they're building a system with this technology that will enslave and entrap everybody. That is the plan. And we should not be ignorant to that. That's the point. We should not be oblivious to that.

I think a lot of times people, when they are afraid to go down this path because of its implications, how is that going to change my life? What am I going to have to do or change? Or you know what? If I say this in public, I might be ostracized or people think I'm crazy. Well, yeah, maybe that's true. But I suppose you and I hear that a lot, right? I've been fired from a Christian school. I've heard that from Christians before.

But anyway, I'm suggesting that we need to think about this. And that's really the conclusion of my paper. I don't cut to the chase too fast, but I don't want to miss that. My conclusion of this paper is that, look, we need to discuss this in the church. This is a point of discussion. How do we exercise Ephesians 511? How do we not participate when the very system that is being built as our prison is the system that everything functions on? I mean, it brings new meaning and clarity, if you will, to the concept of being in the world but not of the world.

How do you do that when it's all mixed together? So I give some solution, a principal solution, is to, yes, use the tools that are there that have been made, even that the enemy is, you know, planning for evil. If we can use them for good, we can do that. We should do that, right? We should maximize our opportunities. But while that's happening, we should be warning people, where this system, what this system is, where it's going, who developed it, why they developed it,

where the end game is from the Bible's perspective, right? The end game is very clearly you can go to Revelation chapter 13 and you'll find the end game or Daniel chapter 7 verse 23 which is how I start my paper and if you don't mind I'm just going to read that

if I can find page one quick or here we go I'm going to read Daniel 723. It says thus the fourth beast will be a fourth kingdom. Now remember what Ammanjabit said. It's a beast system that's being set up. And And not all Christians believe in that, okay? But I'm just reading the text and reading the scripture.

The fourth beast will be a fourth kingdom on the earth, which will be different from all the other kingdoms. Interestingly enough, the technology aspect might be the key difference right here is the technology allows this to be a different kingdom. A friend of mine pointed it out to me a couple years ago, and I thought it was fantastic. Anyway, which will be different from all the other kingdoms and will devour the whole earth and tread it down and crush it.

There you go. this what's happening right now this system is being built so can we use this technology we are but this is where it's going and so my essential conclusion is to we need to warn people about this and and we need to seek to disconnect rather than connect yeah i agree we're connecting to to present a biblical message here right that's a good kind of connecting but if if you go to the story and you got to have the app to buy this. And you got to have this to do that. In order to get the reward discount, you got to be in their system.

You know, you got to all this connecting and the apps and it's just, there's, it adds nauseam. There's so many, there's a purpose to that. It's everyone connected together so that once that's done, the interoperability, connected to digital currency, connected to digital ID, connected to your internet, you know, your website, your own private channels so that they can see. see and hear everything that you're doing, everything you believe, they will be able to control everything about what you spend money on critically. You know, it's interesting, the left, I say the left, shouldn't say it that way, because

there's even trouble with defining the left, but the satanic agenda has always had a plan. Again, as we discussed earlier, there's a plan. And you know what? that that plan is not going to be interrupted by United States American Second Amendment rights. No, no, it will not. We'd be ignorant to believe that it would. Yes, but I think a lot of Christians today, they hold to that. We got all these guns.

I mean, I hear that. You know, well, we got guns. You know, well, guns aren't going to help you when you won't be able to buy anything because you are controlled by the algorithm and you can't buy anything, especially not a gun or ammunition or food. How can you shoot the gun if you don't have any food to eat and your family's starving? You're not going to be out there resisting anti-Christian or, you know, resisting tyrannical political movements if you can't eat. I mean, to sound, yeah, I'm going to be a little bit blunt here, sir. You know, I have weapons and I have ammunition.

and the only thing a gun is going to do against what we're describing right here on this episode is I'll die in a hail of bullets versus languishing in prison and ultimately being decapitated. That's it, and that's really blunt. I wanted to bring up a few things that you brought up here because I love the conversation that we're having. And I like how you're talking about using the tools of the enemy for good, right? It's the analogy of going into the matrix and trying to get people out of it. But the Bible also gives us a reference to this that was coming to my mind as you were talking. When Paul goes and he sees this altar to an unknown God, all right?

This is a tool of the enemy. This has been brought to this people and they're worshipping an unknown God because they believe that there's so many gods out there that they don't want to miss any. And how does Paul use this? He uses it to tell them, hey, I know that unknown God. And here's his message. Right? That is using the tools or the plans of the enemy to bring about salvation to an unsaved people group. And I think that's what we're doing right now through the communication, through the technology that is existing here.

So I would say that to the people as a reminder that this is nothing new, that heroes of the Bible have been using the existing demonic system for a long time. Yes, but let me add that the biggest resistance I get, and I agree with what you're saying. I'm not, my comment is not in disagreement what you're saying. But when I bring up the caution about the Internet or about the connectivity, it's quick, frown, you know, dismiss, you know, you're just running, you're just acting in fear. You know, you're just being afraid. Stop acting in fear. The Bible says we're not supposed to be afraid.

And so they just dismiss that. I'm suggesting that, yes, while we are using the enemy's infrastructure, let's put it that way, for good and to advance the gospel, yes. At the same time, let's not just walk into their trap. Personally, that's the idea. Let's not just embrace digital currency, which, by the way, is embraced with a digital ID, which is the real ID, which is the star ID that most people have a star on their driver's license in all the states, and they don't realize that's the system that is going to bring about the worst of all these technological control grids is this, connection to a digital currency.

It doesn't have to be central bank digital currency. It doesn't have to be. It's just a digital. It doesn't care. It'd be worse to have this digital currency in the private hands, right? Because then one person can control all of it, right? And that's just terrible. So anyway,

we are just walking into that trap. So I'm advising, hey, yes, well, first of all, don't assume and label me Amish that I'm just sticking my head in the sand and, you know, I don't use technology, you know, to preach the gospel or whatever. What, there's a proverb.

Proverbs 1813, he who answers before listening is folly and shame to him, right? People don't listen. They hear the first thing I say, hey, we've got to be careful of the internet and immediately, foo, they jump to conclusion. Ah, he's an Amish guy. You know, he's going to go live in the forest and, you know, how's that going to go for you? You know, Jay. Well, hey, there's more of the story, people.

I'm trying to save people. Now, not that I'm the Savior, we've covered that clearly in the first presentation. Jesus Christ is our Savior, but let me read a scripture to you in Proverbs 24, starting at verse 11. It says this, deliver those who are being taken away to death. And to those who are staggering to slaughter, oh, hold them back. That's what I'm trying to do, all right, by helping people understand what this is. And then look at it, says this, if you say, see, we did not. know this. There's

pleading ignorance, right? Does he not consider it who weighs the hearts? And does he not know it? Who keeps your soul? And will he not render to man according to his work? So don't pretend we didn't know about this. We do know about this. It's very clear. It's obvious. Even Amman Jabi,

again, non-Christian, can see what's happening. Let's not pretend it doesn't exist. And then the answer I get from a lot of, you know, I shouldn't say a lot. Certainly I don't I don't get out polling all the Christians in the world, but I do hear this frequently, this type of thing, I should say, well, we all got to die of something. I know.

It's just an apathetic approach. Yeah, it's an apathetic approach to our Christianity, to our life here on Earth. I wanted to bring up a couple other things that you had brought up, discuss a little bit further. Number one, when you're referencing Daniel, you know, it's certainly not lost on me, and I'm probably not the first person to say this, but that, That statue, that vision that Daniel has, the fourth kingdom, the kingdom that's created there is a mixture of clay and iron, mixture of humanity and perhaps technology. And that's a theory, and perhaps I'm wrong on this, but it could be accurate, this description of what we're seeing within transhumanism.

I also wanted to say this as well, because you've been talking a lot about bucking the system and that Christians, we have to be comfortable with the idea of bucking the system. I think that's so essential. It's foundational to our belief system. God told us that we are not of this world. He told us because they persecuted him that they would persecute us. And so Christians need to get very, very comfortable with this idea that we are outsiders. We are going to be looked at from the world as not normal as weirdos.

Exactly. And I really get frustrated. And let me just turn this towards men. And then you can comment here. But as men, we like specific movies, don't we? And I've talked about this before on the show. But we like the movies like William Wallace Braveheart and even with the modern iterations of the superhero movies, right? We're Captain America.

We're Steve Rogers. And we're saying, as we're getting our butts kicked, I can do this all day, right? We put ourselves in those. And then when we have the opportunity to actually do that in real life, we shy away from it. we run. We pretend we don't even know what's possible. That's a very good point. It's like the dog. It's like the time, you know, I mow grass, you know, and so I go to the sometimes customer's doors and there's a little marf dog, you know, right, boy, as soon as that door opens, they run the other way. You know, that's kind of what you're talking about. It's a little by analogy here. Yeah, let me bring up a Bible verse. And I forgive me, I don't have the reference off the top of it, but I remember it, what it says. anyone who desires to live a godly life in Christ will be persecuted.

And I would submit that if Christians don't find themselves ever being persecuted or finding themselves on the wrong end, quote-unquote, of an argument, they're really probably not living that godly life in Christ that they think they are. And I'm not trying to, you know, I'm not saying I'm not guilty that myself. I know I have to look at examine my own self and that. But to your point, I think, yeah, we need to buck the system and not embrace it. That's it. And that's what this paper is about.

Christians are embracing the system. They're not bucking it. And when I say buck it, I'm going to quickly go to Ephesian 6. You're familiar with the text. Ephesians 511. We've already talked about it. You keep going. Resist in the evil day.

Stand firm against the schemes of the devil. That word schemes is the Greek word methodia. Satan has methods. resist those methods expose those methods right first peter chapter four i'm sorry first timothy chapter four of um verse one says that in the in the latter days the spirit explicitly says in the latter days many will fall away from the faith paying attention doctrines and demons but then you skip down to verse six in that context it says you will be a good soldier of christ if you if you remind the brothers of these things that's what you and i are doing we're reminding people that hey we need to not

fall into this doctrines of demons. And certainly this, we talked about it earlier, you know, the transhumanism, doctrine of demons. Absolutely doctrine of demons. And the AI is, again, Godlike AI is where it's heading. It's a demonic thing. So we would do well to remind the brothers of these things. Why? So we can see what it is.

Expose it. You remember First Chronicles chapter 12, verse 32. Everyone's familiar with this verse. Dave Noble, you know, named his ministry understanding the times, I think, from this, right? The men of Isikar who understood the times with knowledge and, get this, and knew what Israel should do. The point is, understanding brings knowledge of what action to take, or you might say, what action to not take. I'll reference the COVID shots, right? I mean, if you knew, if you had the knowledge of what those shots were and what they're connected,

It was a transhumanist event. It was a great reset event. It was a satanic event. Bringing all this to bear that he's trying to make. If you knew that's what it was, you would have known not to take that shot. That's the concept. So this information that you and I are talking about is bringing it up so that we can see it for what it is, call an ace and resist it and expose it and work against it, not join it and be part of it, which is what I see. see Christian ministries and individual Christians doing, and they're complacent.

They say, ah, we can't fix that. There's nothing we can do about it. And so they just dismiss Ephesian 6 is what they're doing. I don't think they realize it. They're not thinking about it that way, but in practicality, they're dismissing Ephesion 6 and the principles there. There's nowhere in Scripture that I see for fatalistic complacency. Just not there. No, I completely agree.

And it was almost like we were on the same wavelength here. I'm so glad you transitioned into talking. about DNA and MRNA because we had already in episode one we had covered transhumanism we had covered artificial intelligence and I actually I wanted to start talking about unification DNA the grid obviously I'm in complete agreement with you and in fact I was banned off of YouTube because I kept telling people not to take the vaccine because it was dangerous and I recognized it for what it was like Franklin Graham right what I mean by that is unlike you you were not like

Franklin Lang Franklin Graham was telling people to take it. He was. He was firing people, his employees, if they wouldn't take it. Yeah. Now, look, I like Franklin Graham. I'm not to run him down. I'm just, it's just an example.

And everyone knew it. So, anyway, go back to what you were saying. I'm so unification. You were talking about the shots and everything. Yeah. I mean, we're currently seeing, and, you know, not trying to bring in politics necessarily, but the current administration, we're partnering.

We're seeing these really troublesome partnerships. We were promised, you know, that we were going to go after so many people and that we're going to drain the swamp. And now we're seeing, you know, Mark Zuckerberg being brought into the White House and Facebook being celebrated and cherished. We're seeing Oracle, Larry Ellison, you know, with his personal cancer MRNA vaccine that's getting pushed upon us. We're seeing partnerships with Palantir to build a complete surveillance state. and literally the M RNA is changing people's DNA

alarm bells like danger Will Robinson like this is the experience I'm feeling yeah there is a lot there's a lot going on there let me quickly comment

about your mention in politics you kind of like you know kind of like I'm sorry I don't mean to be doing well you know that's what the that's what the

Muslim world likes to talk about really only two things, religion and politics. But Christians aren't able to do that, right? I'm suggesting that we really need to because our politics is really an outworking of our religious beliefs. And so we have to talk about these things. But yeah, they are, we are unfortunately heading in the wrong direction in this part. Ask another specific question in regards to that. Caleb. Yeah, I mean, just as I'm seeing this unification, and it's so nefarious, right, we should be unified in Christ. This is something that all Christians should do. You've already

brought up the fact that there's different belief systems. You and I have different belief systems. We talked on the phone. You know, I'm a Lutheran. You know, I believe in covenant theology. You know, I don't believe in the pre-trib. But we're having a fascinating conversation about this, and I truly cherish you as a Christian brother. But the unification that we're seeing from the the opposing side is not the unification that we want to have any part of. And I brought up examples of Palantir and Oracle and the MRNA vaccines that are changing our DNA. Yeah, the unification is absolutely what we don't want because it's unifying with the system. And that's what we don't want.

Yes, absolutely. Unification in Christ is what we do want. So unification has a place. And as I make a case in the paper, we are – God exists as a Trinity, right? God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit. He exists in perfect unity. We're made in his image.

And so we seek that unity. We want to be in unification, but it has to be in truth. And that's the issue. It has to be in Christ. And so Satan uses this unification desire we have that's ingrained in us, and he corrupts it. And he wants us to unify with the global system, totally opposite of what we should be doing. Absolutely. Now, we're coming down to that hard break here. So I'm going to take the opportunity to once again promote your book. The truth is fallen in the street. And you can find that at store.verante.com. This is a book about what's going on specifically within our public indoctrination system, otherwise known as schools. But you can get that, ladies and gentlemen. So I highly recommend you read that. And also there is a Rumble page as well, The War for Truth. Chris has got that and we'll link that in the episode.

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Hey, if I didn't offend you, consider hitting the donate button. All right, with that, let's go back to our guest. Jay, I'm sorry if you like country music and I offended you. But let's get back into the unification. Yeah, so I wanted to point out that it's Christians, I think perhaps in some ways are more susceptible to falling for a false view of unification. because the scripture has different places in there where unification is advocated. Jesus prayed in his high priestly prayer that they would be one, right? He was praying, he was praying to God, of course, about that and praying for unity.

And so, yeah, unity just, it just rings with us. We like it because we want to be bigger than ourselves. We want to be part of something that's bigger than ourselves. We know that, you know, and as I already said, we're making. in God's image and God exists in perfect unity with himself and the Trinitarian Godhead. And so, yeah, so I think we fall for that. We fall for the Satan's corruption of it. When I say fall for that, what I mean is the corruption of that.

We fall for that. So we like to be part of things bigger than ourselves. So in the Great Reset narrative, I like to point out some of the terms that are there. And so we, if I can find them here, It's things like together and things like, hang on, I got to find that. I thought it was words like we, our, here it is, together, we, our, us, collective, collaborate, community, common, united, partnership. Think of public, private partnerships, right? It's all about working together, and it sounds good, you know.

So Christians, unfortunately, I think, fall for this, not realizing, again, that this unification in the world or, you know, in the world. or in the world system is really rebellion against God. John wrote in what the first John not sure which chapter anyone who loves the world right is it

forgive me I can't quote it now anyway do not love the world nor the things in the world right anyone who loves the world you know it's not a good situation so we got to be unified in Christ and in the truth and in love true love true love, not a woke version of love, not in the world system. So that's my, that's my encouragement,

I guess, for people why I want to alert them to this potential pitfall. Yeah, and if I may, you know, this isn't a quote from the Bible, but it is a quote from our founding fathers. And it was, you know, rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. And that's kind of how I live my life. I got to admit, I'm a little bit obnoxious perhaps, but when the whole rest of the world is telling me do this or go that direction, my response is generally just no. And I'm okay with that because going back to that quote, rebellion to tyrants, I recognize that this world, the whole structure has been designed by tyrants with ultimately the ultimate tyrant, Satan himself, being in control of all of these evil sycophants. And so when they're telling me, take the shot, when they're telling me globalization is a good thing, when they're telling me digital currency is the way to go, my response is always, no, I'm not going to do that. And, you know, you can kill me, which I say on the show all the time, don't threaten a Christian with a good time. But ultimately, I'm restored at that point with God.

I'm in his presence. So I think Christians need to move away from this global. unity that they're promoting, it truly is a false gospel. It is, it is. And I'm going to quote, Jermaine to your point at Acts chapter 4, and we're all familiar with this account where Peter and John were arrested in. Here's what they responded. When they were commanded now, commanded not to teach in Jesus' name, he says, but Peter and John answered instead of them, whether it is right in the sight of God to give heed to you, rather than to God, you be the judge, for we cannot

stop speaking what we have seen and heard. We obey God rather than men. Chapter 5 says... Yeah, Acts 529, one of my favorite verses. Yeah, let's obey God, not men. And that brings me to a point we discussed a little bit earlier, as I'm afraid that in our society, American society, we are, unfortunately, and I just, I really think this is an important error. That's a thing to point out as an error is that we're we're we're we're acting as Americans first and not Christians first I think yes reverse we really should be Christians first and not Americans first now look I'm I'm a I'm a patriotic in the sense you know God is a God of nations I look in Genesis revelation verse chapter 21 and right at the end there's three or four times it mentions nations and kings and

in the eternal state even right God's a God of nations he's not a God of a global unity but but but uh when your nation goes against God And it's time to draw that line. And I think that Christians aren't seeing that. We're just, we're so interested in the right-left dichotomy struggle, you know, that we're, and we're caught up in that narrative. And in perhaps motivating trying to fight the good fight. I understand that, you know, people are trying to do the right thing, but they're not seeing that we've already gone way past this point. We're past that.

And so, you know, in, what is it? Hebrews chapter 10, verse 21, I want to say. talks about how they joyfully accepted the seizure of their property, all right, looking for better rewards coming, you know, is right before Hebrews 11, that Hall of Faith. And, you know, economic forum says, you know, you're going to own nothing and be happy. Well, I don't want to give up my property. I'm, I'm an American. I don't want, but look, we need to be Christians first. I actually know of Christians who have given up property far more of far more value than anything I own. and they did it with joy, knowing that their reward is in heaven and is not on this earth that they're going to be rewarded. So I'm going to encourage people to be Christians first

and, you know, Americans after that. I would agree. And just kind of expanding on this, there are certain things that Christians, American Christians, I should say, when they get engaged in politics, that they do stand for, right? The abortion would be a factor, right? You talk to pretty much every Christian, and I'm excluding those progressive Christians who do not know the word of God. But most Christians would say, I am fundamentally opposed to abortion because we believe that life is created in the womb and we don't have the right to murder that too. But those same Christians, they won't take the necessary steps. They'll do business with businesses that are promoting abortion that are pouring tons, millions upon millions of dollars into the abortion mills.

they won't boycott our taxes going to providing government-sponsored abortions, right? So they're not willing to take those steps. And then we fall prey to you and I were talking off camera, but manufactured saviors. And you had such a great way of putting this. Kamala Harris, Joe Biden, they were the weak side. And Donald Trump is the strong side of this. And yet when we look at so many of the policies that are being enacted in the current administration,

we see this globalist plan being enacted right before our eyes, and we're applauding it. Yes, and that's why we don't recognize it because it is masquerading as a, as republicanism, it's masquerading as the correct side, the right side, not the left side, the right side. And so what I'm suggesting there is that both sides are used by Satan and his globalist, with his globalist agenda, and they use, when I say they, I mean, again, the satanic, you know, forces, if you will, the principalities and powers and whatnot. Again, using humans to do their bidding and whatnot and build their system. They use the right when they need the right for certain things.

And in this case, they needed a strong person. So we were talking about, you know, Christians opposing the North American Union back, you know, a couple decades ago or whenever it was, joining with Mexico and Canada and all this stuff. Well, now Trump is essentially in work. at least, and in many clear steps that we could talk about, if we had more time, has done that, is doing that. Pete Hex has come out and said, we're a greater, greater American defense unit, you know, we're greater America. I can't remember, forgive me, I don't have that exact quote in front of me, but, wow, we just became the North American Union. And instead of,

instead of giving in weakness up to the global system, we have joined the global system in strength. And that's where Trump comes in. You know, Trump, has done with his strength position, flying that flag, you know, make America great again, he has done more to accomplish the wrecking of the American sovereignty than all those other guys because, look, it's happened, essentially happened. We're part of that regionalism now. And when I say that, is Hex's statement, I can't stress this enough.

It essentially says how Trump and that whole sector is viewing us now. We're at Greenland and Cuba and Venezuela and Pan. We're all one region. That's regionalism. And that's Club of Rome. That's 1973, you know, limits to growth. World Economic Forum, Klaus Schwab, working with the Club of Rome back in those days. We have accomplished Trump under Trump's administration and with his help.

That has been accomplished. And the right, and the Christians included, are cheering it on. It's just not, they're not seeing it. Now, keep in mind, we talk about this too. That doesn't mean I'm pro Kamala Harris. Please don't misunderstand me. I'm not saying that I'm in favor of any of that leftist garbage. What I'm suggesting is what we think is the right really isn't the right.

It's the left in disguise, and that's what makes it so hard for Christians to see it. And, you know, a lot of people want evidence for this kind of stuff. You know what? We have the evidence. The evidence is ad nauseum. There's so much evidence. But the problem is it takes time to go through that evidence. And people have to read and they have to listen and they have to study history and they have to think for themselves. What I mean by that is not let their pastor or their whatever, you know. Or artificial intelligence. Or artificial intelligence or their political party think for them. You know? And I'm, look, I'm guilty of all these problems. I'm not saying I'm, I know I know everything or I've got it all I don't have it all together I'm not suggesting I do I don't want anyone to I don't want to come across in an arrogant fashion I'm just look I'm trying to take an honest look at the American church and I think that we we're not seeing what's really happening unfortunately and because of it we're joining it we're joining it they're joining the leftist anti-god world system we're joining it happily without any really resistance I I I'm

100% in agreement with you on this one. We are. We have, we had that strong delusion, I think, about us that we, we've accepted this. We're just moving along. I'd love to as we're closing this show out. Obviously, you and I, we know how this will end. And I want to stress this to the audience. Well, just because Satan is moving and is creating this beast system and we're kind of watching it be created before our very eyes, that does not mean that God is not in control. He had 100% is in control. And ultimately, these are his plans, his plans to bring about greater goodness. But we know how it's going to end.

We know that the devil will accomplish some things. But I'd love to say, just give the audience a few solutions as they're navigating how to, how to not be a part of this beast system that's created. I want to give you some solutions in a Bible verse. I got to close with a Bible verse. How many minutes do I have just so I can be clear? We can go a few more minutes. Okay.

The solutions are to disconnect wherever possible. That's my, you know, that is my solution. And that's opposite of what the world and everything convenient is telling us. Everything is telling us, connect, connect, connect. It will give you freedom, quote unquote, to do whatever you want. but it's really bringing us into the slave state, and I think that's the wrong way to be. So, yeah, we use the tools of the Internet and the tools of AI, et cetera, for good, right? But disconnect wherever you can.

Stop getting the apps. Stop buying stuff that need an app. Two stuff. Just disconnect. But I want to leave with an encouraging Bible verse. Daniel 723 can be a daunting verse. But I want to read verse 27. So verse 23 talks about this fourth kingdom on the earth,

devouring the whole earth, treading it down, crushing it. And it talks about the ten horns, which we already touched on a little bit with the North American Union and whatnot. But listen to verse 27. It says, then is a time-sensitive word. That's important to recognize. Then the sovereignty, the dominion, and the greatness of all the kingdoms under the whole heaven will be given to the people of the saints of the highest one,

and his kingdom will be an everlasting kingdom, and all the dominions will serve and obey him. That's what's coming for the Christian, but the true follower of Christ, the believer, the one who has received Christ and not just a Christian in name only. So we have a lot to look forward to. This difficulty event in verse 23 is going to give way to verse 27. And that's what I want to leave your listeners in it with that encouragement that

is coming. But we, our job simply is to hold fast to the truth and to do the things we've already talked about to resist in the evil day, stand firm against schemes of the devil. And again, holding fast to Jesus Christ, fixing our eyes on him as our, as the author and effect of our faith and our true savior, our only savior. Absolutely. And to pull as many out of the beast system as we possibly can. And that is obviously an extension of the Great Commission. ladies and gentlemen. Absolutely, and that's the purpose of this discussion. Absolutely, yeah.

Well, Jay, I can't tell you how much I've enjoyed this conversation. I hope I did my due diligence in getting through this entire paper. Ladies and gentlemen, there's a lot more to this. And I'm sure if you connect with Jay, that he'd be willing to send this over to you. And remember, this is for pastors. So I would suggest, hey, send both these episodes, part one and part two, to your pastor. Let them listen to it. And then we can get them the white paper here.

so that they can read through it and start addressing this from the pulpit. And Jay, I know you want to comment on that, but yeah, comment on that and give us last words as well. Well, real quick, as far as the paper, actually, I don't have a website. I've already told you that, but I do, the paper is actually on the Mark 37 website somewhere. And I have to confess, I'm not sure where you talk to Sean about where it's located, but you could link that in the notes there if you want. That would be helpful for people to be able to see it. and I'd love for people to get in touch with it.

But yeah, pastors, my heart is that pastors will receive this not as a hammer on the head, but as a wow, I see why this is important. Hey, I'm going to expose this and let people understand. Because as we said, we're trying to save people, not that we're the Savior or Jesus is the Savior, but we have a role to play. And people are heading off into oblivion right into this system. And we are not, unfortunately, the by and large, pastoral leadership is not alerting the flock to this threat. So it's my heart's desire that this paper and this interview, these interviews will go to remedying that whatever way the Lord allows.

Yeah. Once again, I echo exactly what you're saying there. So, Jay, it has been amazing having you on. I thank you for taking the time to do not just one episode, but two episodes, because I think this is a very important. subject for my audience to hear. And so continue your work, sir. I look forward to reading more, watching your videos, because we need to connect with like-minded individuals and tackle the enemy. Do battle. It's time, ladies and gentlemen, to be that William Wallace and to grab that broadsword and to say, you know, things that stand out in people's minds, you know, that they may take

our lives, but they'll never take our freedom. Jay, thank you once again. I'm going to go ahead and close us out. If you hold on one more minute, post-production, goodbyes, I'd appreciate it. Thank you, Hale. Absolutely. All right, ladies and gentlemen, and specifically to you pastors that may have stumbled upon this show, or maybe some member of your congregation has produced this video for you. I would say your responsibility is a shepherd.

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