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Episode Date: September 4, 2026

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With that, let's go ahead and bring on our guest. I am thrilled to bring you the Sleeper Agent. A.W. Finnegan, he's the author of The Sleeper Agent. He's a researcher, writer, affected by Lyme disease and immune tolerance. He's been battling health problems since he was young with the onset of a chronic disease in 2016. He's a writer, graphic artist, and designer, an avid reader, and a researcher of history on biological warfare. Sir, it is a pleasure to have you on the show. Thank you for having me.

It's great to be here. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, right off the bat, something that jumps off the page to me is you've been affected by Lyme disease. Yeah, right. 2016, I believe, although I would say it may be possible that I had it all my life and got a second dose in 2016 when it went chronic because my mother had it. does pass to the children. And then she got really sick around 2000. So I was well aware of Lyme disease,

and I saw how debilitated my mother was because of it. And I had read this book, Lab 257. I'm sure you're aware of that book. And I had read that, I believe it was 2006. And I think it came out in 2004, but it was the first book that it talks about John Loftus the Nazi hunter who wrote the introduction to my book and it was talking about Eric Trowb or talking about the Plum Island stuff the tick tests and so

that got me really interested and then when I got sick in 2016 I was like I put this timeline together and I reached out to John Loftus because I had decided that I wanted to write this book I had decided that I want to figure out this story and I was just driven I was like I'm gonna figure out this story and I sent him a timeline so I reached out to him I think it was on like Facebook or something didn't hear back from him for a long time and then one day he just sent he got back to me and he was like wow this is amazing why don't you give me a call gave him a call started corresponding with him he also introduced me to some filmmakers he was talking to who were doing a project on the same thing and then it kind of

became this like group project. They were helping me get all the documents like a lot of the German papers from German universities, all of Eric Trubb's work. They were helping me with funding to get a lot of the important documents over in Germany, like the Federal Archives over there. There was some, you know, like the embezzlement investigation at Eric Trab was pretty expensive. So they were very helpful like that. And what I would do is I would be writing my book and I would tell them what I found so that they could write a screenplay about it. Unfortunately, a screenplay didn't go anywhere, but my book definitely did. I got published.

And Chris Milligan, who owns Trinday, who I also work for now after the book was published. I got a job with them. He had already published, re-published, rather, John Loptis's original, The Belarus Secret. and as America's Nazi secret is the new name now under Tronday. I was corresponding with Loftus for like all of those years. I mean, I spent seven or so years writing that book, I think. And oh, and here's the other thing. And so he's not actually the source of that information.

It's actually a biodefense source, a very high-level biodefense source. source who also held acute clearance like Loftus. And that guy had so much good information. He said, why don't you look into this or this or this? You know, and I would look into stuff. And there are some stuff like, you know, that I found hard to believe. And but instead of being hardheaded and thinking, I know everything, I just decided to follow up on all of his, all of his suggestions.

and they never stopped producing. And once I started looking into Eric Trab, oh, and back up just a little bit, there was a Lyme disease group that I had joined, I think it was on Facebook. And I met a bunch of women who were running this group, and they taught me about the way that Lyme disease actually works, how it basically disables your immune system,

and then brings on these reactivated viruses, and you just get a, from head to toe, you just get basically like turning your body against itself. And they taught me about this condition known as immune tolerance. And it's just like chronic immune deficiency. You can think of it like this. They call it immune tolerance because your immune system is suppressed into a state where your body's forced to tolerate harmful pathogens

that it should otherwise be keeping out of your body because you don't have a good immune system. it's not working properly. So when I started looking into Eric Trowb, I ended up finding out after I had learned about all that stuff, that he was the one who actually discovered immune tolerance. And he was doing it during vaccine research at the Rockefeller Institute. So that was all like everything just kind of came together. If I hadn't known those women who were running that group,

truth they were called truth cares uh i wouldn't have learned about immune tolerance i wouldn't have had really any clue about eric job's work and if i didn't meet loftus i wouldn't have met his biodefense source and had all of that other information that was very important it just kind of came together so it was it was amazing but let me pause you here and let me let me back you up because uh you know i'm i'm aware of plum island but for any of the audience that maybe is like, what is he talking about here with Plum Island, the experiments that were occurring there? Let's back up a little bit and tell the audience what this was and why so many of us believe that there was biological weapons developed and then released.

You know, there's some debate of whether it was intentional or not. I tend to believe more intentional, but through these ticks. Yeah. So what happened was, so Plum Island, back when Eric Chau was here, during. paperclip it wasn't it wasn't set up under the USDA yet it was just a little army place that had a little lab like you know and it was a it was a site that they could test on since it was on an island that was very important so Eric Traub worked on a German plum island over in Germany during the war he worked on

an island called Insul Reims and it was basically when he came over to paperclip they were trying to set Plum Island up to be like Insul Reams based on Eric Chab's descriptions of it. Eric Chab was considered the world's top expert in biological warfare. Okay, so he was basically advising them how to run a biological warfare program, all the things to do, how to set it up. We were getting all of our biodefense practices from the Nazis. So when he was over there, they had what are called simulant tests. These simulant tests, like a simulation of a bioterror attack, right? They would spray what they say were harmless bacteria all over the city of San Francisco from a Navy ship and a fog.

Those were open-air tests. They also had other tests that were insect simulant tests. So he was telling them, yeah, it's harmless, but it really wasn't. It was like an attack right under our noses. They were supposed to be harmless. And at first, a lot of it, it was a very, these are very stealth bio-weapons. And I got to interject here and say, most people think of biological warfare as just, you know, releasing something that kills everybody. very different kind of bio weapon it's a it's a slow incapacitating agent right so it's meant to tire

exhaust and overwhelm an enemy over a long period of time it's like a long-term strategy so those were the kinds of weapons that they were using um eric trabb was overseeing these tests and I had him with the spirochetes, sorry, I had him with the spirochetes, the closest relative from the relapsing fever group of spirochetes are Borrelia, the closest to Borrelia, the lime clade or whatever, the lime group, Borrelia burgdorferi, and it's in the spirochetes that caused Lyme disease.

And I also have him, What is unusual is, so usually when you get Lyme disease, you don't just get Lyme disease, you get Babesiosis, you get Bartonella, you get ehrlichiosis, rickettsiosis, you get, you know, in the Lyme disease, also anaplasmosis. Well, the same year that he gets this spirokee, I also find him learning about how you can roll a whole bunch of infections into one and it causes this same immune tolerance that he discovered and was looking to induce with these weapons that's another thing these incapacitating agents act through this immune tolerance mechanism that he discovered but the problem is these kinds of weapon actually blur the line between vaccine and bioweapon basically the same thing when I ended up finding was the vaccines are doing the same

exact thing as his bio weapons. So, and one thing I found, you know, I think it's active sabotage. That's my personal takeaway after writing that book is that our public health system has been slowly infiltrated and

taken over to the point where now it's being used as a weapon against us. And let me completely explain. Yeah. And there's one guy that I talk about in my book. So I do talk about the Soviet Union and their bioweapons program a lot because my high-level source said that they were very important first I laughed them off like like I said and then I started looking into it well there

was this guy named M. P. Chumacov right Mikhail P. Chumacov he was a serious bio-weaponier hardline Stalinist communist and he actually so he was testing ticks he was testing these weaponized ticks over in Siberia. He was testing him on the Muslims and Mongolians, the rest of populations at that time. And after that, he actually goes in, so the Soviet Union captured Eric Trub's lab in Germany, and M.P. Chumakov actually went and met with Eric Trubb

to gain information on this immune tolerance. And then, about 1954, M.P. Chumakov teams up with Albert B. Sabin of the American public health system to make the oral polio vaccine, okay, which is contaminated by the SV40, of course, just like Salks was. And I guess Salk also had worked with this guy to some degree, but he was also investigated by the FBI and found to have many, many associations with like communist front groups and stuff, Jonah Salk. And of course, he wrote that disturbing book, Survival of the Wises. Well, M.P. Chumakov, he makes the oral polio vaccine with Sabin, and they have all these problems, and then Sabin gets his son, Constantine Chumacov, a job over in

our public health system, the son of a hardcore Stalinist bioweppinear. This guy gets into our public health system, works his way up through the FDA, and now, and then he was running vaccine safety and review at the FDA. He was the one approving vaccines that would be given to Americans, okay? And he's the one who assisted in approving the COVID vaccine. So let me pause you again. I mean, you're hitting the audience with so much information, and I am right there with you. I'm going to back up a second just for the audience's sake once again.

You mentioned paperclip. You're talking about Operation Paperclip. This is where we took droves of Nazi scientists over to the United States. and put them into all sorts of different positions. The space program is probably the one that most people are aware of, but also like you're talking about biological warfare. And then you also mention that, you know, the spraying over San Francisco. Look, people look this up, this occurred.

There was a death associated with that, and they were able to prove that, yes, indeed, it was a government operation that sprayed this intentionally on the citizens of San Francisco. And then you're talking about the vaccines. And I'm so, I so appreciate. that you're nailing this because I have for a very long time on this program told people don't get vaccines. Do not get them.

Obviously, Chris, this one's not going on YouTube. We get banned for things like that. But hey, don't take them, guys, because these are biological weapons. And the evidence is in this book, but it's not just in this book. It's in a lot of different publications that you can read. You can do the research on. You know, don't go to the Internet because they're going to tell us you're all where you know, a bunch of conspiracy theorists on here. But going back to Plum Island again.

All right. So they're they're experimenting with biological weapons. A tick is just a fantastic vector, right? They can use something out of nature that they can release into the into the populace. And unfortunately for those of you living in the Northeast, this is where it was. It was released here. That's why almost all the Lyme disease cases, well, predominantly the Lyme disease cases are in the northeast. but it has spread throughout the country. So keep going with the story, sir. Yeah, so in Eric Chubbs, these stealth weapons often make it so, so with immune tolerance, what happens is you get this low level of inflammation because your immune

system is so suppressed. I know it's kind of complicated because we've been taught to see immunology one way, but he basically flipped it on its head. And so when you get this immune tolerance from these bioweapons, you get this. very low level if there's any inflammation at all. I mean, I would argue that it probably isn't, but then you also, you don't make very many antibodies. So you're going to show up negative on these tests. That's why so many people with Lyme disease and also other chronic diseases show up, you know, they're told, oh, you don't have Lyme disease. It's negative. And I mean, this science

proves exactly how that works. The problem is it also proves if they were, to acknowledge, if they were to acknowledge immune tolerance, it would flip the vaccine industry on its head. And that's, that's what I see is I don't think they, I think that's the reason they won't acknowledge it. We would have understood chronic disease back in 1960. Instead, they gave the Nobel Prize for Immune Tolerance to these two guys who didn't even work together and weren't nominated together by anyone. It made it about organ transplant recipients because the same thing can happen and it's probably from infectious material in those organs. But, um, yeah, let me ask you this, because I have a question on this.

And I'm going to tell you my personal bleep on this. And it's centered around the lone star tick. I look at all of these elites that just disgust me, people like Bill Gates, who claim because of climate change, we've got to eat a whole lot less meat. And then there were two scientists who actually released a report saying it was the moral obligation to make people allergic to beef. And now we have these lone star ticks that are spreading across the country. And if you get bit by one of these, you end up being allergic to beef. To me, that's a lot of evidence to suggest that this is a biological weapon. What say you?

Yeah, as far as that one, like, I didn't come across that in those older times. but I'm sure and there was actually I did see a report I don't know I didn't get to look into it deeply but they were saying that vaccinations were fueling the alpha-gal syndrome as well but yeah I mean these people are insane like Bill Gates for example his his advisor was working with Jeffrey Epstein and and that advisor was actually a a specialist in immune tolerance. And I found a paper in 2012. It was called disease tolerance as a defense strategy. Okay. It was funded by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. Disease tolerance is just immune tolerance. Is it just a different wording? And, you know, this is crazy that they would look at this. So here's what I didn't tell you. Immune tolerance, when you induce this immune

tolerance. What you find is you get this triple effect, this what I call the dark triad of immune tolerance, chronic disease, neuropsychiatric and neurological disorders, and also cancer. Okay, Eric Traubb, this is how he found out. He injected mouse, he injected a mouse with foreign antigen and he was trying to reactivate a dormant virus within the mice. And he did. And he did it spread to all the other mice in the colony then he was it became his life work he induced this condition all the infected females would then give birth to infected you know progeny and they would be they wouldn't have any antibodies they wouldn't have any inflammation they look normal but they could get all these other mice sick and they they would look normal

only like halfway through their life would start coming down with these wasting diseases, prion diseases, slow prion diseases, okay? That's like, so Alzheimer's disease is like a slow kind of prion disease, right? There's deer all over this country that are suffering through this right now. Yeah, yeah, that's true. Yeah, I mean, and I would say like Lyme disease and all these things, the immune tolerance is like a chronic wasting disease and all. in all truthfulness. It's like, and so they, they studied this phenomenon, and they even had,

like, conferences in 1972, immunological tolerance to microbial antigen. So they knew that it was caused by antigen and what are vaccines fall of? Antigen. That's the main ingredient. They want to get your body, to, you know, put some antibodies forth, and it's, it's, to this antigen. Well, that's why I say, like, even if they took all of those nasty, toxic metals out of the vaccines, they still have this problem because it's those, it's the main ingredients. It's actually much more insidious to the technology itself. But they were looking at it, like, well, if we take the immune system out, that's a, we can call it immunity, right? If we take the immune system out, that's the idea behind using it as a defense strategy. So,

you can be infected, you just don't respond to it, but instead it invades your brain, all your organs and everything. Kind of like the COVID vaccine with the spike protein. And that vaccine has been shown to cause immune tolerance. And they were trying to do that, but they lied to the people, you know. And I was telling Loftus over email, even before the thing was released, they said, it's not going to work. It's going to be very toxic. It's going to cause a lot of destruction. It's going to induce immune tolerance. And sure enough, that's what I was seeing. In the hospitals, I remember seeing an article, the hospitals are filling up with sick people, but many don't have COVID. It's because of

these vaccine injuries. It's crazy. But back to Bill Gates, yeah, he was funding that paper. and so he's been very involved in this, and I think he's one of those enemies that have taken over America. Yeah, I would completely agree with that assessment. I tell people all the time, look, it doesn't matter the vaccine. Do not take it. I don't care.

The flu shot, the MMR. Absolutely. Yeah, MMR. It does not matter. Do not take it. So you are much more of an expert on this subject than I am. Would you agree with that? Do not take any vaccine?

Absolutely. wholeheartedly. I mean, just for, I mean, even the, the fact that they don't check it properly for contaminants, like there's so many, they have a massive problem with mycoplasma contamination of vaccines, right? There are so many reasons. And just knowing what I know of Eric Chob's immunology, it's, and that's what it's doing is so this stuff accumulates as well. Even from, from vaccines your mother took, like, so. So a lot of stuff, all of this burden tends to start, it's just, and that's what Eric Schott was doing with his mice. He was degenerating the bloodline. He was, he was turning us into degenerates, basically. Because what he noticed was this LCM virus that he reactivated, would pass down generations. And as it would pass down, cancer would go way up, neurological and wasting diseases

will go way up and also you get a mental illness component with that because when your brain's affected people people lose their minds people have all these mental problems these neurological problems um and i just did a substack article the other day about the autism link i showed that's definitely there um i you know i i think Andrew wakefield was was for the most part right but he forgot he he he was focused only on MMR and it's all of them that do it. Yeah, I agree once again. Every single one of these is suspect. And, you know, I got to point out here as well that then comes in that horrible partnership literally designed in hell with big pharma. So you make the population completely sick dependent on pharmaceuticals. They're making money hand over fist. And when we

come back from the hard break, we got about two minutes. So we're not in a rush here. But when we come from the heart break. I want to talk about why they want a sickly and mentally handicapped population. But talk about that mixture of Big Pharma and the vaccine industry, all of this. It's all connected. Right. And that's what I saw was like the vaccine industry in bed with Big Pharma. And a lot of these, from the intelligence angles, you can see that a lot of these people are seriously shady. like coming from places, you know, out some, a lot of them like Constantine Chumacov, for example. I don't make any claims about him, but I'm saying, you know, someone with this kind of background should not be in a position like that. Yeah, I would think putting, you know, a communist agent, in my opinion here, up in the high

levels of the FDA would not be a very good idea. Maybe that's just me. It's a huge red flag. It's almost like they are just like, just basically blatantly doing it in our face to laugh at us or something. And I think Anthony Fauci, the same goes for him. He's probably some kind of while he's definitely greedy, but I think he could also be working for foreign powers and such. Absolutely. I would completely agree.

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Anyway, I wanted to ask our guest why. Now, personally, I believe that when it comes to this situation, a sickly population is one that's easy to control. I think that's their motivation for why they're doing that to us. Obviously, they have no morals, no scruples about them, but I think they want to make us intentionally sick so that they can control us. Adam, what's say you? Yeah, I would agree with that. definitely and I also think yeah they want us so sick that we can't put as much time into all this researching and everything and keeping track of what they're doing they want us and

that's that's a problem that you know a lot of that's a challenge that even I face like some days I'm so sick I don't want to do anything and it's like it was a slow kill definitely it was a slow and painful kill, more or less. And I feel, I feel so bad for a lot of these people that ended up sticking themselves with that new jab, that COVID jab. Well, they can use them, right? They can use them, you know, during the prime of their life. They can use them, chain them to their desk, get the work required done.

And then when they get to be that age where, you know, there might need some health care, well, then they're going to die off a whole lot quicker. I mean, from like a really dark and demented viewpoint, like they're being very successful. Like, you almost have to tip their hat to, or tip your hat to them. There was also this guy who was doing a lot of work about, he was saying that there was a covert depopulation agenda going on. He wrote a lot of papers about it. His name was Kevin Galilee, I think it was. He wrote it. He wrote a paper called The Subversion, I think it was, Subversion of Public Health.

Let me see what it is. Hold on. I just said the subversion of medicine in public health by internal security prerogatives. And it was written, it's a very well-written paper, but in that paper, and it's on Researchgate, that's where I found it. he's talking he was saying that I was you know high up in the system and and they have a depopulation agenda that they're actively running he says that their aims were good but their memes were terrible like just totally amoral um diabolically you say absolutely it's like as diabolical as you can get and you know Jonas all you got to do and the way I verified that was going to Go read Jonas Salk's book, Survival of the Wisest. Look how he talks in that book.

This is the guy that was, this is the guy that designed the inactive polio vaccine. The inactivated polio vaccine. He's writing a book about how the population is too big. I don't know if you've read that, but I have a copy of it here. And he's talking, and I actually quoted it. At the end of my book, I quoted from it because it was so horrifying. He's basically saying that scientific advancements that keep life going for people need to be stopped because of overpopulation. Right?

I could even tell you the quote. He says, a major threat to the species is attributed to the increasing size of the human population, which in turn is described to successes in science and technology. This explanation has evoked an attack upon science and the exploitation of its technology to the development of which are attributed many adverse effects upon the human species and upon other forms of life. Polluters who befoul the planet affect the quality of life and are regarded as a threat to the present and future equilibrium of the species and of the planet. Those who consider themselves on the side of nature and therefore of the human species, see others in opposition to both nature and man. Hence, we are to be concerned not only with man's relationship to nature,

but man's relationship to himself. Say it if we love the planet and our people, we need to start killing them all. And this is across all facets. You can see clearly an agenda here to depopulate us. I mean, the rise of birth control, the transgenderism, right? mutilating people so they'll never be able to have kids. The vaccines is going on there.

And I think, yeah, I think that the hormones are being sabotaged somehow, and that's why they feel like women. And that's my theory anyway. I mean, it's, I think, and probably definitely vaccine-related. Well, I mean, I've had a- All of the other stuff, too, that goes in. But the vaccines can definitely disrupt your hormones. Absolutely.

I had a guest on here. we were talking about the vaccines. And the original one actually, it had fetal tissue in it, but they chopped it all up because they were afraid that it would attach to the human experiment, right? That it would attach to their DNA. And the first one was a baby girl. And so, yeah, if you're getting an injection into your body with fragmented DNA and it's attaching to your DNA and you're a man and you're taking on a woman's DNA, yeah, that could

make you feel like a girl. Yeah. Yeah, that's an interesting take on it, too. I never thought of that. But, I mean, absolutely, there's so many problems with them. It's just I was injured by a B vaccine in eighth grade. I didn't know it until I was researching for my book many years later. And I, because I had, like, all of these neurological problems, these anxiety disorders.

I would just get, like, adrenaline rushes and stuff for no reason. It just had so many problems. I never knew what was wrong with me. They diagnosed me with ADD after that, put me on all these drugs. It was crazy, and it sent my life into, like, a really dark path for a while. I was, you know, I was able to get free of that when I was about 30.

But I was researching for my book, and I find this Hep B vaccine congressional hearing. It was saying hepatitis B vaccine. Is it hurting or helping public health? All these parents are coming saying talking about what, you know, the Hep B vaccine did to their kids and a lot of the stuff. It just I knew at that point. I knew that that's what it was that basically sent my life like down the hell after after because I got it because I went to a vacation in Costa Rica and they told my and they told my parents say, oh, you should get the Hep B, you know, they were putting. pushing it down people's throats.

Oh, yeah, it's always the same story. Even things like, even things like tetanus. People think they need a tetanus shot after they've already got a scratch. If it's already in you, what is generating some antibodies going to do? You could just take, you could take antibiotics instead and you wouldn't have that. That's a three-way vaccine too. I think that that's the D-TAP is actually, I believe, what the tetan shot is. but a lot of people get it because they hear the word tetanishot and they don't realize it's a vaccine.

Exactly. Yeah. Well, let me ask you this, Adam, because this has obviously been going on a long time. I mean, you brought up the oral polio vaccine. And they claim that they were able to have this massive success. But in reality, it was a clean water. Don't thank the vaccine. Think a plumber for the decline in polio. But I think COVID-Van, The COVID vaccine and what we went through actually had a lot of silver linings. I talk about this on the show a lot. And the biggest silver lining that I've seen is a massive wake up from the general public. And where I was once called the conspiracy theorist, I'm sure you have been as well. Now there are a lot more people on our side that are saying, I'm not doing this again. I'm not taking another vaccine. Do you see this as perhaps the COVID vaccine was a bridge too far?

Yeah. and then I mean they've also kind of really sent in a lot of bad information too is like I'm being attacked because I talk about viruses in my book people think there's no viruses anymore but basically what my if you like the stuff about air chop and immune tolerance and all the stuff I knew explained all of those inconsistencies viruses are basically just biochemicals and there was a really nice paper by this guy who put polio virus together just using nucleotide sequences assembled like a chemical even germs that at at the basic level they are biochemicals and so this the no virus group is you know it's all chemicals and it's all chemicals there are no bio weapons there are no germs and stuff like that and so because that this is basically something that happened overnight during COVID It just everybody started saying that. I'm glad that I can agree with them that the vaccines are bad.

It's just a shame because it was like all these people now put the book down when they hear the word virus. And it's just like I think it's wrong. I mean, I think they're definitely established and through all of the research. But it's because people don't know about this immune tolerance thing that makes it look sensible to people. Like, and if I had no idea and I saw that information, I would see, I would say, yeah, they have a point, you know. But the thing is, I was already knee deep into this for years and I saw through all of the cracks. And I'm like, no, no, that's, you know, like chemicals, for example. Chemicals don't act the same way in everybody.

Like, someone can have a good reaction to it. Another person can go into anaphylactic shock over it. So there's no uniformity because everybody is unique. Every body is a unique system. You're not going to have the same reaction. You're not even going to, you know, like the argument was that the diseases are, it doesn't cause the same exact disease in every person. But the problem is it's genetic. It's everybody's made differently.

Everybody's made unique. Some people get a fatal reaction. Some people get the immune tolerance reaction. And it's very, there's all sorts of, there's a lot of stuff converging into this that determines the outcome. And so they will not, they will not all be uniform. But this is something that I've had to address multiple times throughout my after COVID. Like it's just something that just keeps coming up. You've absolutely nailed that once again, you know, I'm familiar with that crowd that doesn't believe in viruses or germs and whatnot.

I believe that our government intentionally releases disinformation, and they've got some talking heads that are on the dole that we'll discuss this stuff. It's just like with conspiracy theories, you start going into that, right? And shoot, the CIA invented the term conspiracy theorist. But you get these people that are talking about like birds aren't real, for example, or Australia doesn't exist. Right? Like these are so wild out there, but they intentionally put them out there so that anybody

who's questioning, you know, the collapse of the World Trade Center or vaccines, that they look ridiculous. They can throw them in that same camp of the birds aren't real people. Yeah, and I mean, and even stuff like flat Earth, it's like with all the problems we have on this planet, who cares what the shape of the Earth is? Who cares about that? Nobody cares. We've got all this other stuff going on that's really affecting us, you know?

Thank you. Yeah, I would agree with that. I've said before on the show, like, if the world's flat, you know, it's not going to wreck my world. But you're right. There's so many more important things that we could be working on. And this is one of those. Like, we've got to get public health. What a misnomer.

These people are evil Nazi scientists that are experimenting on humanity. Yeah, it's become a way of life for the establishment. And, yeah, it's like when people become awake, that's one thing that happens. is that they have these two polarized size. They say, well, yeah, everybody knows mainstream media lies now. And so if people wake up, they're just waking up, they're like mainstream media liars. And then they go to this side, the alternative media,

and they think that anything that's not mainstream media is basically true. And it's like they don't realize that you have to, you have to be a researcher. Do you see all these books behind me? It's because I read a lot. I have to process information. I have to look into everything in order to get to know what's really going on because of all the disinformation that's purposely thrown in, you know? I always appreciate it when I have a guest with a big library behind them.

So, yeah, definitely I encourage people to read all the time. Yeah. It's very good for you and your brain keeping it working because, you know, most people can't even read a book these days. I try to stay up with it. And I try to read every night, but sometimes I fall off. But I go back to it. I always return to it. It's something that keeps your brain sharp, you know, like watching TV and scrolling is

scrolling is the worst. They want that. I mean, I've been guilty of it too. I've done it. And I'll catch myself. I'm like, what am I doing, you know? Yep. No, I'm with you.

We're actually, we've run out of time. So I want to bring up your website again. I can't tell you how much I've appreciated. this conversation though is so good I will definitely have to have you back to talk more about this but the sleeper agent dot com I'm going to turn it over to you Adam tell people what what they can find on this website why they should go to it and why they should order your book yeah so you see you can see the video section those will bring you to my Rumble and YouTube channel and also those social media icons and also it's not up there but substack is where I continue released new information like I did an article on autism vaccine link on substack and the handle for substack is a w at a W finnigan f-in-n-n-n-e-g-a-n and that handle is the same for all of them x uh instagram you name it okay and yeah uh i'm going to tell the audience once again, buy this book.

Get on here. I'm assuming you can order it on the website, probably Amazon as well. Is that correct? Yeah. Trinday.com, Amazon. Yeah. There's the book. Yeah.

I design the cover. It's fantastic. Like I said, I cannot wait to get my hands on this. I'm going to pour through it. I read every night, so I can't wait to get this book in my hands. But it is, oh, and there we go. Chris found your substack is. well. Right. So there you go. You can check that out also. If you like to read online, I would

recommend it. But Adam, it has been an absolute pleasure having you on Church and State. Yeah, I had a great time talking. Thank you. Yeah. And I'm going to pray certainly that healing occurs for you. I know you're going through a lot with the Lyme disease and the immune tolerance. So I'll definitely keep you in my prayers there. But thank you so much for not just sitting back and just, you know, like, well, I got this now, you know, like I just wait to die now. Nope, you did something with it. You said, I'm going to go after these people. I'm going to expose them, and I so appreciate your work. Thank you. It was a great time. I loved coming on here. I'd come back anytime you want to have me. Okay. Well, thank you so much. I'm going to go ahead

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