The Prepper Broadcasting Network - Church & State -Undeniable Proof that Lee Harvey Didn't Kill JFK with Robert (Tosh) Plumlee

Episode Date: May 28, 2026

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I'm bringing on Robert Tosh Plumley. He was a CIA contract pilot in 1963. He actually flew into Dallas with an abort team, the goal to stop the assassination of JFK. As he stood on the South Kull, he watched the president get assassinated, and the abort team. it failed. At that point, Tasha actually became a target, but he is not afraid, not afraid to speak the truth, and that is why I want to interview this man. Tosh, it is a absolute pleasure to have you on the show. Well, thank you for having me. Appreciate it, and we'll try to do the best we can for your audience. Absolutely. So just diving right into it, you were not only part of the abort team, but you actually

a few years earlier had you had attended the school of illusionary warfare with classmate Lee Harvey Oswald. Well, yes. Prior to that, there's a lot more to just going to school. I mean, that's the time. I know we're running short on time. But I went into Texas 49th Army Division when I was 14 years old, which is first certificate. Then I used that to get into the regular army.

We had stationed at Fort Bliss, Texas. While stationed at Fort Bliss, they decided to make a specialized team that would go in, and that's where we ended up going to Naxon, North Carolina, to attend a program called the Illusionary Warfare Training Program. And what that program was consisted of was that we would go into foreign countries, we trained to go into foreign countries. The first thing we would do, we'd capture the radio stations and put out the propaganda that were needed. So the program was, my program, part I was in,

by the next year, was we gather the communications, put up all the communications that we could out there on the media, through radio stations, and that would change the thinking and the actions of the people. So that was what the Illusionary Warfare Program was about in those years. So as a result of that, that it was 55 of us in that program. And then there was another program on language studies and a defective program.

And that's the program that Lee was part of. And that's the program that Victor Marcietti wrote about in his book, The Cult of Intelligence, which was highly sanitized at that point in time. So now, my connection with Lee was nothing more than we just went to the same place at the same time, run into him a couple of times, just like two soldiers. He was Marine, I was Army.

We were training at that facility, which used to be the old submarine air base submarine base there in World War II, which now was converted to CIA, which was very young in 1952 CIA. So that was a military training base. Anyway, I don't know if we're happening here or what. So that's illusion.

Now, back to the book, this all zeroes in on Louisiana warfare at JFK. I want to point out here, there were many, many more operations that's in the book Deep Cover Shell degrees other than just JFK. I know JFK is a very lightning rod, a third rail. That's where everybody wants to go. There's a whole story. We could talk hours about it. Anyway, I'll try to clear that up the best I can about.

about how we got there, why we got there, and all that. So speeded up here a little bit. How the program started that got me into Dallas that particular day, I was a co-pilot on a flight that was set up by the Pentagon with logistical CIA support. Back in those days, the 63, about two or three months before the JFK, there was a private Eugene B. Dinkin, who was a cryptologist, in Germany or Sweden, or Sweden, I think, well, not Germany. And he intercepted information that a unit was recruiting assassins,

old French OSS, not OSS, but French assassins, to do a job in Dallas, Texas. He attempted to make contact with his proper authorities, and they thought he was nuts. You know, to remember in those days, the government could do absolutely no wrong whatever they said was the gospel of truth. So anyway, he attempted to get that information to proper challenge. He approached military intelligence who made contact with the Pentagon.

The Pentagon made contact with the CIA and the CIA acted as a logistical support that set up, work with the Pentagon team that dispatched a team to fly to Dallas for the purpose of aborting, stopping an assassination on the president. As history shows, that team failed. I was a co-pilot on that flight.

That was my operational status. That was my only operational status. When we got to Redbird Airport, we were supposed to fly into Dallas, well, the Garland. But we flew over to Godwin, but we flew over to Garden because of weather. And we jumped over to Redbird after the weather cleared. And those guys that we was on our flight, they went on their mission. hung out with the airport.

I'm sitting there at the Oak Cliff Country Club across the street from down from Redbird Airport. And my friend, Sergio, who was with me in Cuban days when I was gun running to Cuba, he asked me if I wanted to go see the president. So there's my operational status.

I said, hey, yeah, why not? So we went down to the plaza, and Sergio's job was mainly to look for triangulation shooting. And if we could spot spotters, that he was supposed to bump them, interfere with their timing. And that phrase was used, take them out. Well, that didn't mean shoot them up and all that kind of stuff in the plaza.

It meant interfere with their timing, stop their timing to the limousine to get past the plaza. That was Sergio's job. My job was just tagging the long sitting president. So when we parked on the far side of the west side of the triple Lundapass, Sergio checked the south parking lot. along with him. We didn't see anything suspicious. They was just parked cars there. People that worked at the post office annex, that's where they parked their cars in the south parking lot of Dele Plaza. We circled around there, didn't see anything suspicious, came back out, was walking back along

the fence line of not the picket fence. That was on the north snow. We're on the south side. And we're walking along. The limousine come around the corner. I looked over. I saw it. somebody I thought I knew. Saw the limousine come around the corner. Nothing. Our attitude was at that point, we didn't think anything about it. There'd been so many reports,

so many false alarms about a hit on the president, we didn't think anything about it. So we were surprised. The limousine comes around, makes a slow turn, comes around past a schoolbook depository. I saw who I thought, Now, this is my vision at that point in time.

This is what the conspiracies crap comes in. But by the point in time, I thought I saw Lee standing in the doorway. Years later, they swear it was a guy by the name of Love Lee. Love lady was there on the ground floor, but he was behind where I thought was standing leave. There's another story by him, and we don't have time to get into that. But it's a story about Marina, the red shirt, and the missing button, and it's all in the photograph where he just, individual who was supposed to be a glove lady was standing. That was Lee Harvey,

also standing in the doorway, my testimony. Other testimony, it's a lovely standing there. You get into the JFB conspiracy. I don't go there. But anyway, that's my thoughts at that time. Lonezine comes around. We're standing directly across from it, in line with the light poles, and his head literally exploded, right before a surgery.

So prior to that, we had, Sergio had what they call a walkie-talkie here, Motorola. And in those days, they used crystals. The crystals on our walkie-talkies have been changed with the crystals on the north side of the walkie-talkie. So the north side of the team could not communicate with the south side. The guy sitting next, as they call the umbrella, is on board the flight. got a couple fingers missing on his hand because he used to rassal alligators at West Palm Beach and Florida.

But anyway, he was a spotter. He was part of the abort team. His job was to take anybody out that looks suspicious. The umbrella man, which is a odd story is total BS. But anyway, he's sitting on the curb. He would have been within 10 feet of Kennedy

when he comes by in the limousine. And Gator thought, well, I'm going to sit next to him and take him out if he makes him a move for a weapon. All this bit about flashing the umbrella knife and an umbrella gun and oh my gosh. I mean over the years it makes you cringe. So anyway, very simple. Nothing weird.

He sits down next to him and he does this. And Sergio said he can't communicate. He does it again. And so that means he can't talk. Yawki-talkie's not working, the motoro is not working. Crystals have been changed. We don't know why, or who are working? So, Lipson comes by, and at that point in,

that's when his head exploded. Sergio says to me, we've got to get the hell out of here because we knew that there would be a pickup net. They called a pickup net. And anybody there would have been, on the suspicion, would have been picked up. So anyway, we left. And we went back over at the other side

of the underpass on the west side of the triple underpass. The shots came from the south side of the triple underpass. That was the kill shot. They were kill shot and went directly over our head. Now, this is my testimony.

We felt the shot. If anybody's ever been in that situation with this gunfire around you, you don't just hear the shot. You don't don't even hear the shot. You feed it. Feel it in your bones in him. Somebody knows what I'm talking about, it's been that close.

It came over our left side and his head exploded. That's what I remember. See it today. Don't like that shot. Don't like that memory. Well, anyway, at that point in the time, we got out of there, went back to Redford, and headed back to Miami, Florida for our J.M. Wade debriefing. You know, J.M. Wade was dispatched.

the crew that we had was associated with J.M.W. Miami CIA station of Cuban Project. So that's the ID for all this stuff I'm telling you about. Your readers, you go check it out now. Because now some of those documents have been released. Some of them haven't. So am I ramming here too much? No, absolutely fascinating. Thank you so much for sharing that. Obviously, if there is an abort team, it proves that there was a kill team. And so I think Most of us within this realm, the Christian patriot side of things, they've always questioned the official story of JFK and his assassination. And I really appreciate you shedding so much light on that.

I want to go into Cuba as well because with the recent news that Raul Castro is being indicted for murder at 94 years old, I see the media, as you were talking about earlier, swarming in, they've already been engaged in getting the American public ready and supportive of the idea of a war in Cuba or some type of event in Cuba. I think with this, now we're getting ready. Hey, he's a murderer. We need to go in there. And we're seeing interviews from the mainstream news, the conservative mainstream news that's getting us ready for that point where we got to go in there. They're interviewing Cubans that are excited about, you know, change in that country. You were, I mean, you flew in. You were running guns.

into Cuba. I'd love to hear your take on what's going on. Okay, number one, let the spirit testify to the spirit. People, some of them are religious out there on them. Okay, let the spirit testify to your spirit where I'm telling the truth or not. Okay, back my connection was, I was trained to be a pilot in the GI Bill. I went into the military 14, transferred to the Redmond Army 1516. I had an incident in Fort West Texas. I've gotten me a tiny name of the CIA.

CIA recruited me, trained me to be a pilot. And then I started running guns. This is 1955, 55, 56, 57, 58. Started running guns in 56, when Castro came in to file up in Mexico, not fire, came in with a level 55 revenues running around in Sierra Monterey. We started running guns, supporting CIA, started supporting this man in 1957. We were stealing guns from National Guard Armories and taking them to Miami, Florida, on board aircraft and pilfering those guns into the Sierra Madre, support Madre. At the same time,

according to our records and our foreign policy in the Pan-American Treaty, we were required by law to support a sovereign government, which was a dictator known as Batisian. Batista had planes, tanks, guns, ammunition, and medical supplies. And he was in the chasing Castro through the Sierra Madre Mountains. And we were supplying Castro with small arms, band-aids, and no aircraft, and basically pistols, and M1 rifles in Springfields from World War I. and also from weapons that we were pilfering from National Guard armies scattered throughout the United States.

Those guns will be flown in by CIA cut out politics, so it was one of them. And pilfer through Miami down to Marathon Key, and then from Marathon Key Plum Island down past 40 other blades into the Sierra Madre to the Cuban Revenue. It was there that I was found. flying at Twin Beach of V-18. We had an engine problem when we landed in the swamps. We landed in the foot hills of the Sierra Madre and in a cane field and a lot of solid grass.

It was swampy. And my pilot, Rick and I, we got out of the play, left the plane abandon there with a bunch of guns. And we were trying to get out of the swamps. And that's when we heard some revents. These were the testers. She was a Cuban room. There was a young lady there, and she's the one that came up and got me out of the swamps.

Her name was Velma Espin. Her code name was Deborah. We became very good friends. She's the one that nicknamed me Sapata, because I lost my shoes in that swamp. We got back to the camp of Castro. This was 1956, 57. And Velma was also known as the Lady Saboteur. tour. She used to wrap diamond with duct tape and set puses. I used to watch there at the camp.

So that's how I ended up getting associated with the Cuban rebels, which was known as the M26-7. That was what Castro's revolution became known as. That point in time we escalated our support to Adel Castro to overthrow the Batista. We run guns, ammunition, and people in and out of Cuba in those years. In 1959, I was privileged enough to be in Santa Clara. When Castro was making his run in, and Batista was leaving, I had left the island, but Castro was coming in, and one of the tanks that they captured from Batista happened to be one of the tanks that I had learned how to drive in Texas 49.

Army Division in Dallas, Texas, when I was 14 years old. Sergio, my friend, who was in the swamps with Velma, is the one that got me out of the swamps, saw me standing on the side of the road as that tank's coming up with their column of Casual coming into Santa Clara. Life magazine is sitting there taking pictures, and Sergio stops, waves. I hop on top of the tank right next to Shagerberra. I know there's nobody knew this before. But Live magazine took a picture.

In that picture, I'm wearing my fatigue shirt, which happened to have U.S. corporal stripes on. And that picture showed up in Light Magazine. CIA with a list of what in the heck is an opportunity doing on top of that. And we're not supposed to be around there. We're not supposed to be anywhere near Cuba. We're supposed to have been cleared out.

But the night before, I got drunk, and I missed my flight. And I'm stuck there in Santa Clara with a bunch of Cuban friends of mine from the Revolution. And to me, it was a great honor. And I got up on the tank. Sergio ends up driving the tank. And so the second photograph from Life magazine, which, by the way, this is in the book, Deep Cover, Shallow Graves, and also the photograph, of Life magazine is in the book

Deep Covered Shal of Grades. The I took those photographs because they're crime plan and certified that was William Robert Plumley, Corporal, 49th Army Division and then the CIA went all my God, you're going to shut up, you can't write this stuff up, because

I was going to write a book out of the Black Knights of Cuba. And I said, well, you're not going to write that book. And so as a result, I was going to burn down, it's a manuscript. But that's another story. So listeners can take this to the bank,

their bank being a other friend upstairs. So that's where my association with Cuba started. It was in 1956-57. Adele Castro gave me a hat, beat the bugs and the mosquitoes off of them. Belma Eslin was wrapping diamond, and they were attacking their, A couple of mine of Americans and 57 rebels at one time.

So that was the beginning of my association with the Cuban rebels. Now, coming up to today, there's a lot of associations. Velma and I were good friends through me years. She ended up marrying Ralph Castro. They have a couple of two kids. She died in 2007. And my contacts in Florida, which escaped Cuba years ago, used to be. keep us in contact

and we remembered each other until the day she died. Her name, code name, by the way, for the M26-7, was Deborah. And Deborah was known as the Lady Sabat Durer. And there's a story. It's probably making this up? Let your readers go to the Lord and ask the Lord.

Is it probably making this up? That's what I said. That's my challenge to you. People don't want to challenge me. My challenge is back to you. Take it to the Lord and find out a poem is telling us. the truth or not. Period. Simple as that. Sure. Yeah. So with what we're seeing right now, it appears, from my observations, that we're ready to go into Cuba, some type of regime change, probably pretty similar to what we just did in Venezuela. What are your thoughts on this?

Okay, my thoughts on this, back when Kennedy was live, he had a lady ABC reporter by the name of Lisa Howard. I flew Lisa Howard in to have negotiations with Padele Castro, and called it the re-approachment program. Castro was willing with Khrushchev to talk to Kennedy about peace. That is to upset our intelligence network and our foreign policy in the United States. As a result of that, John F. Kennedy was not getting the right intelligence coming back from his own intelligence corps out of the CIA. As a result of that, he set up a committee called PINCOM, his own intelligence committee. and he decided that he was not going to send any more troops to Vietnam.

He was going to pull what we had out of Vietnam, and he was going to let the advisors there train out, continue to train out the Vietnamese Army. That did not set well with the Pentagon. The directive 263 was a national security directive, and he was going to pull out 25,000 people out of that troops out of Vietnam. Two days before he died, another directive, and Honolulu, 273, your readers can check all this out, was drawn, a draft, overriding, 263,

and we were going to put 25,000 more troops in. Now, what's the motive behind all this? I know we're running out of time here. But what's the motive for all this? Bell helicopter had $22 million in contracts. Remington had $15,000. million in contracts to build weapons, to build helicopters. If we'd pull those troops out, those contracts would be avoided.

They killed the president, overall with 263, with 273 directive, and we ended up putting another 25,000 troops in Vietnam. Shortly after that, we had a false flag incident where we shot down one of our own ships, and we called that the Pung and Gulf incident, and we used that as a reason. to escalate and put more troops into Vietnam. That's what got Kennedy killed. I'm speeding up here because I'm watching your talk. Well, and we do come back and we'll have another 15 minutes after that hard break.

So you don't need to speed up. We have plenty of time. Well, I'll hope I'm trying to put the right timeline in on this. But the critical point is the directive. That's called capital N, capital S-A-M-263, And 273, 263 was Kennedy said, I'm not putting any more troops in Vietnam. We're not wasting any more of our young boy's blood in that country.

And he went to Dallas. They told him, don't go to Dallas. Rumor after rumor after rumor, all over. And even the Dinkin report from France said, there's going to be a hit. the 28th of November in Dallas, Texas. Specific, specific. At that point in time, the Pentagon received that.

Elements within our own government withheld that information. Elements within our own government, infiltration within our own government, infiltrated and stopped those memos from reaching the proper authorities to could set up a good solid team that would have stopped and changed the routing and saved the president's life. So what I'm saying to your audience is that the United States government was complicit in the assassination of JFK. The CIA had also been infiltrated. ONI had been infiltrating. This was the whole reason that Kennedy set up his own special committee to look into why I was

wasn't he getting this information? Who was the blockers in our administration that was stopping real, raw intelligence from getting to the city president of the United States, his administration? So what we had, we had conflict within the administration at that point.

I'll go back at that point in time. In that point in time, our government, whatever that said was the gospel truth. Our spirit at that point in time is that You dropped the American flag on the floor, submarine, and kick your bun. I come from the era when President Roosevelt died, and they were raising the school flag, and everybody gathered around and put their hand over their heart and said,

pledges the leases. People actually stopped their cars in the middle of the street and got out and put their hand over the heart. How patientism is it to the flag. That's the way it wasn't in warriors. That's what I grew up. Absolutely. And so as we're coming up on this heartbreak, don't worry, ladies and gentlemen,

Tosh is going to continue this conversation. We're going to talk a little bit more about false flags, about Cuba, about Kennedy. This is Caleb Collier with Church and State. Media. Ladies and gentlemen, if you're not sleeping on my pillow, do you even Patriot? I got to tell you, this is the most wonderful stuff from a man who's given it all for your freedoms.

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All right, with that, let's go back to Tosh Plumley. And we were talking about, you know, just the difference. And as a Marine veteran, I can attest to what my guest is saying. Look, there's patriotism that just flows through my body. I love America. I want to see America do great things. But I'm also very questioning as far as what administrations are doing, the lies that are being told, the propaganda that's being sold to the American public.

And that's why I so love guests like Tosh. Josh, thank you for staying with us. Please continue with what you were saying. Well, I'm not sure what I was saying. Well, let me ask you this then, sir. Let's put a challenge out there since I've been a challenge alone. Let me put a challenge out there through your listeners. Okay, turn around, get on your knees and ask the Lord.

It's only telling you the truth or is he BSing you. That's all you've got to do. Now we'll go from there. the situation today is if you spew out poison if you rhetoric hate if you talk about annihilating other countries you are going to breed a lone wolf you are going to breed assassinations

you are going to breed poison into a younger generation you get what you sow if we sold that hatred out of the mouth of our leadership we can expect exactly what we're getting today that's not a question of who did what, when, where, and why it's a question of what we're doing from our heart what we're doing to our country through hate, greed, and corruption

this didn't happen just in a few years this has been going on since the man got his head blown off this has been a political coup in this country and apathy and desensitation, desensitized, is all part of a, I'm not going to say CIA as a unit, it's all part of a corrupt system, an international corrupt system that has infiltrated our political system

that is destroying the foundation of this country, the Constitution, the loyalty, the patronism. we are at a crossroads right now. If we allow this continued, this nation is destroyed. I completely agree, sir. Let me ask you a question about false flags, because you brought it up. And I actually used to work for TPSA Faith,

and I have some deep questions in regards to the assassination of Charlie Kirk. The official story seems similar to the one of JFK, There's a lot of holes in the theories, and we're told not to question anything. Now, I know you weren't a part of that, but just as a man who, with your education, with what you've done in your life, can you weigh in a little bit about this and potentially being a false flag? Okay, let me put it this way. Okay, we use an example. This is all part of a design program to take you away from what's really going on. Okay, now you brought up Charlie Kirk.

Okay, we can go into a thousand rabbit holes. There's going to be more chartered currants. There's going to be more assassinations. The emphasis is going to be put on those assassinations. Well, he did this. He did this because of this guy. This guy's on first. That guy's on third.

That guy's on second. You get away from what's really going on. This is a diversion. We assassinate people, the diversion to take away from what the hell we're doing. Our elected officials are corrupt, period. Some of them don't even know they're corrupt. But they support.

to program for whatever motivations, whatever reasons they may have, they support it. Our elected officials right now have got their heads so far up this man's butt. Sorry, I said that. I don't like to get into politics. That statement I just made shows you why I don't like to get into politics. That's the poison that we see you out. When you say things like, there's going to be nothing left but a red glow in the east. when I'll get through.

What is some young guy out here that wants his nose out of some politicians' butt think, well, I'm going to go out and blow this guy away so I can get favoritism, and I might have. Looks like I might get some money somewhere down the road. What in the hell is going on in this country? What in the hell is going on with our elected politicians that can't get their nose so far out of this man's butt that we can't see straight as in a nation. We've lost our spirit.

I agree 100%, sir. No, I didn't mean to get off on that tangent. I swore when I went on your program, I wasn't going to do that. Well, I lied on myself a lot. I draw it out, perhaps. No, you are absolutely right. I think as Americans, we need to examine who we truly are as a country.

We used to have, I mean, we were bred with a distrust of government. It's our foundation as Americans that we distrusted government. We wanted to be left alone. We could handle things ourselves, and we've fallen so far away from that. And now every single time you turn around, there's a new country to invade. There's weapons of mass destruction here. There's a nuclear program over here. And we're sending our young men and now even our young daughters over to die in some foreign land that we have no business being a part of.

What is the real record today, 2020? What is the real record of our leadership? How would you quote what is our leadership today? A draft dodger in charge of our military. A convicted felon upholding the Constitution of the United States. Took an oath to do that. Yet it's swearing if not anybody doesn't agree with him, he'll retaliate. He would take you out.

He would be a first-rate dictator. Now, again, see, here I go. I got to stop this. I cannot afford to get into politics. I can't afford to get into conspiracy, whether it be Charlie Hurd or so on like that. I can say this. From my background and experience, I know within my heart and within my soul, we're expecting more. This is going to get more deadly.

Our Constitution is in stradge right now. every safeguard that our leadership back in the 1700s set up has been violated and here's the thing apathy has destroyed this country let George do it I don't have time

I have to go to a concert I have to do this I have to tickle somebody's ears I've got to be seen I've got to be heard I've got to be somebody I don't have time to protect the Constitution.

I don't have time to be patron. I don't have time to be honoring the flag. That's old-fashioned. That's for old people. I've got to make a name for myself. That's what's happening. The point is this. We've been, and this is prophecy,

we're being led down a primrose path. Oh, my opinion is this. Who killed Kennedy? Moses did it. Moses killed Kennedy. I mean, my gosh, you take the timeline and the genealogy. This guy's connected to hip bones connected to the thigh bone. The thigh bone's connected to the knee bone.

The Zechial is connected to Moses. Moses connected to the seven tries of Israel, on and on and on and on. And then the Baptist of this and the methods of this, the Catholics are no good. All the diversion. What the hell is really going on in this country? It's time for Americans to wake up, get their heads out of their bus, and take some action and make these people responsible. for what they do.

That's my name. Tosh Pumman, I wrote a book called Deep Covered Shall of Grace. There's more in that book than just JFK. And I want people to read this book. I just want to give some clarity to our audience right there. When you say Moses, are you saying that it was the nation of Israel? No. See, that's how you get into these conspiracies.

I did that for a reason. I did what was taught in illusionary warfare. I just led your mind into a situation where you made a summation and made an accusation. You see how it works? Sure. That's what Illusionary Warfare was all about. Okay, let me give you an example real fast. I know we're on time deal.

In Illusionary Warfare, next at North Carolina, we used to sit, an instructor would take a glass of water and take a spoon. You put on a glass of water, and that spoon, and on that spoon you'd put a shot. sugar cube and we sit on that glass and we would sit back and stare at a glass. I'm going to make that spoon fall. I'm going to make that cube fall in that water. I'm going to make that sugar cube fall. I'm going to make it fall. We do that for five or ten minutes. I'm going to do that. Mind control. My mind can make that to it. By golly, after a few minutes, you know what happened? It fell. Wow. I've got brain power.

And then one day, when we're going through that maneuver, I saw mine struck, gradually touched the leg of the bug, and just made a nut funk that it fell. Later, one time at Nagshead, North Carolina, I'm sitting there and I'm drunk as a skunk, drinking at the casino with another guy. He says, you know what they did?

They paid me $25 to walk down the beach. and when I saw a mirror flashing the light, I'm supposed to turn to the left. Wow. We're sitting there wondering what in the hell is this guy talking about? But we were up in the training deal watching this guy walk down the feet, and our concentration was we're going to make him turn left.

We're going to make him turn left. Somebody else or someplace else with a mirror flashing in that man's eyes and when he saw it, he turned left. Wow, we got power. So now we're going to go into a country, and first thing we're going to do is capture that radio station, and we're going to put the narrative out, and we're going to put what kind of propaganda we want. And you know where we learned that from?

We learned that from Operation Paperclip when we brought the Nazis back from Germany, and they taught us how to do it. They used to chain their Loof Walker with pills, and that's what started the MK Ultra program in this country in the late 50s. So brain warfare is what they called. MK Ultra. MK Delta was much more deadlier than MK Ultra. We used MK Ultra to experiment mainly on, I'm not going to get into the ethnics or whatever,

but the lower class American citizen, young people, we use that method, our leadership, trainees people, let's drug them up with LSD. Let's see how we can consider it. control their mind. We're going to make them into super warriors where they can believe that they can walk through doors and nothing can touch them. That's the program that we went through. Now, they made a movie out of that called The Men Who Stated Ghosts. So this is not something that Plumley made up. This is something that your readers can follow through. We get duped. You talk about mind control.

That's where we're at today. Control the people's thinking. Make them do what you want them to do. How do you do that? You put your rhetoric, your poison, you skew it out there, and you breed long wolves. Does that make sense? 100% it does. What is a breed?

How do you breed a long wolf? We breed hundreds of long wolves. by the hatred and the poison that comes out of our leadership. And as a result in the future, you can predict as a prophet what the hell is going to happen. We're headed for more assassins. We're headed for more turmoil. We're headed for more false reports. We're headed for more lives and the narrative change coming out of our leadership, Not just a man, our leadership, both parties. Agreed.

I say it all the time on the show. I'm a libertarian. I throw stones at both parties. I don't care. I don't have party affiliation. I see problems with both sides. And to prove your point about what you're talking about, breeding these lone wolves, these assassins,

we just had the incident in San Diego at the mosque, where two individuals, supposedly far-right individuals, they just went in and just started killing. And so we're going to see it from both sides. You're going to see attacks on mosques. You're going to see attacks on synagogues. The age of those people that just did that. 17 and 18.

Where did they get their training? Yeah. Great question. What about social media? And then what is the deadly revifications of how we utilize a tool? Look how we utilize the tool of the Internet. Now look how we're utilizing the tool of AI. Of which, you can use a tool.

the right way and the wrong way. You can use a monkey wrench to bang somebody over the head or you can use it to fix a plumbing problem. It's how you use the tool. So it's not the tool this bad. It's the person that uses the tool. It's the person that uses AI

or his own self, whatever. Whether it be politician, a party, or a president. social media can be an enemy or can be an asset depending on how you use it. Right now we're using it the wrong way. We're breeding long wolves. Sorry I've got off on this tangent. You're right and I appreciate the warning to our audience.

I know we got just a little bit over here but I want to bring up your book here because I want my audience to read this. Deep Cover, Shallow Graves, available at Amazon. Tosh, I cannot wait, wait to get it. my hands on this book. I'm going to pour through it. I'm going to read it. I'll be late into the night. My wife will be kneeing me and kicking me. Turn off the light. We'll send you some sign copies, okay? How's that? I will absolutely. I just obligated my publisher to send you some sign copies. I will treasure that, sir. Thank you very much for that. But real quick in the last few minutes we got,

why should people buy your book, Deep Cover, Shallow Graves? Well, they should buy it or get it. They don't have to buy it, just get it, steal it, whatever. Because I think it will point you like we say we have breadcrumbs. Those breadcrumbs will lead you to the truth about what this country is doing, where we are as a nation. And as a result of that, I hope the book motivates you to get off the couch and get out here and help us make positive change and save the Constitution. the United States. I couldn't have said it better myself.

We absolutely, we're at a crisis point, ladies and gentlemen, in this country. Are we going to save the Republic? 250 years, it could die tomorrow. But it really, it's up to you. As I say on the show all the time, with great power comes great responsibility. We have a responsibility to defend the Republic. We haven't been doing it very well. Tosh, I so treasure this interview.

I thank you so much. I got to have you back on because we've scratched the surface. I mean, there's a lot more that you and I can talk about. Well, please forgive me for getting on the soapbox. Well, thanks for having me. We appreciate that. Absolutely, sir. We'll come back anytime you want us, okay?

Excellent. I will book you immediately, yeah, because I definitely want to cover some more subjects. I'll say us. I'm speaking both spirits, okay? I think there's, you know, all that sounds what I'm talking about. Amen to that. All right. Well, I'm going to go ahead and close this out.

If you hold on one more minute, post-production of Sarah Goodbye, I'd appreciate it. But again, thank you so much for sharing all of this information with our audience. Thank you. All right, ladies and gentlemen, there you go. Robert Tosh Plumley, Deep Cover, Shallow Graves. I'm telling you, get this book. If you want to know the history, the true history, that will hopefully motivate you

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