The Prepper Broadcasting Network - Church & State - World War 3 with James Patrick

Episode Date: March 24, 2026

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I'm a California Public Education School trained, so yeah, but he's done a lot. We're talking about World War III here, but James, thank you so much for joining us. on church and state. Yeah, thank you for having me. Now tell me, what is this word? Oh, re-hypothecation is when you take the assets and pledge them as collateral on derivatives bets, and then they get re-pledge and replge. So it's like fractional reserve banking where the accounts get leveraged up.

So that's the main thing. But it intersects with this World War III story because when you see like the closing of the straits of Vermeuse and these shocks to these commodity prices, that can send ripples through the financial system and cause all kinds of problems. If the system's all leveraged up and the asset prices fall, then you can have these collateral calls. But anyway, let's start getting back to the World War III. No, I like that.

And I mean, come on, you're not a fan of fractional reserve banking? I mean, talk about something that's really made America just really great, right? It's Factional Reserve Banking, obviously, I'm joking there. But, yeah, let's talk about it because you've done a number of documentaries. Your latest one is one that absolutely, I think every single person in this country, really around the world, should be watching. Because we seem to be on the cusp of it, don't we? Yeah, I mean, we're seeing a rise of global conflict. I think World War III has started.

I mean, you could argue, it started kind of with Israel attacking Gaza the way it did. I think that really started to isolate them and make them really a prior state. And then this emerging war with Russia between the West and Russia, the Western leaders have been just doing everything they can to provoke Russia. and like a barking little dog, you know, assuming the bigger dog won't ever bite them. But I think this is really stupid to get into wars. It's a really stupid thing to get into,

because you just end up breaking things. You're buying guns and bombs and destroying properties. So it's a lose-lose situation. And it's not something to just enter lightly. So a friend of mine, Douglas McGregor, he said rule number one of wars, don't get into it you know because it's it's it's economically the most destructive thing you can do i mean it seems a good advice like if you can avoid uh the conflict don't get engaged in and i mean even

growing up right as kids we were we were taught like yeah hey defend yourself but make it a last resort like it's better to walk away from the fight than to always be that guy that's like i'm had a few beers and now i'm gonna go fight everybody in in the town like that's not the person that you typically wanted to be friends with. And our government has become that guy. They become the bully that's just poking every single person that they can possibly come in contact with. Now, I'm no apologist for Russia. I don't look at Putin and say, that's a good guy.

Like, I want to move there, you know. But I will say Putin and Russia have, honestly, they've really engaged in a lot of restraint. It appears to me. Yeah, I mean, and so, yeah, maybe just to preamble, everything. I'm going to say that I'm not pro-Russia or anti-U.S. or pro-Iran. I think, you know,

Russia and Iran have a lot of problems with their government and governments. And they're more repressive than the U.S. I'd say that for sure. So, but provoking, but I mean, in diplomacy, you don't have to

love everyone you deal with in the world. You know, it's a lot of people, people, I think diplomacy has been misrepresented in this last couple of years that, oh, we have to love every last little thing with the country to not have a war with it. So, I mean, it's just crazy. Like, you know, that we need to be on, it's diplomacy means you have good, you practice good relationships with people, even when you don't agree with them. You can still trade with them. You can still have interactions with them.

and frankly that if you want to undermine, to give you a little example with Cuba, for example, we had all these crazy Cubans or flee Castro and go to Florida, and they were really pissed off because the Cuban government stole all their property. My godfather actually was one of those guys. And Castro took all his dad's wholesale business, you know?

And they were all screaming, oh, let's invade Cuba, let's invade Cuba, but we put all these sanctions and actually the regime stayed longer because we weren't trading with them and we isolated them. Had we just had free trade with them, the free market would have kind of undermined them and the regime would have collapsed many, many, many decades ago.

You know, I love what you're saying there, James. I got to tell you, people don't tend to look at the free market as a weapon, but the reality is it is, especially with dealing with so many of these despots, these tyrannical governments, when the people go and see that, you know, free market actually works. Like, I can get better products through America. Yet you're going to cause an uprising, an organic uprising,

that we don't really have to get involved with. Exactly, yeah, and that's the best kind, you know? So, yeah, usually when the government does, almost always when the government does something, they screw it up and make it worse. I mean, it's really like, I'm from Washington, D.C., and it's all these weird, sick people who come to D.C. to work for the government. and you're like, they're the most useless, irritating people.

I mean, I would agree. You're preaching to a libertarian, so I'm right there with you, man. Like, government screws things up. Like, get it out. Everything works better when we either completely remove the government or severely reduce it, which is really what the Republic was originally founded on. So I'd like to talk about World War III. I think that what's really unique with this war, this emerging world war,

is that there's totally different rules or the terms of the fight. You used to be nation states fighting over strategic interests or economic interests. And I think what's really unique about what's going on now historically is that it's really kind of, I think, driven by eschatology or these kind of oligarchs that sit above the governments

of the world and are sort of pushing this kind of messianic, really bizarre world war in the Jewish traditions they call it the War of Gog and Magog that precedes the Messianic era and I really think

there's a lack of a better word of conspiracy to destroy the Western worlds and I think plunging U.S. So in the Jewish prophecies they say that this starts with this war of Gog and Magog that starts in Israel and that's

that's really what we're seeing here is that Israel precipitated an attack first on the kind of helpless Gazans and then killed. I don't know how many hundreds of thousands. They say 70,000. But it's hard to believe when you look at those pictures of that place. But then now this Iran war was really stupid for them. I mean, they are in no way able to defeat Iran. And the U.S. backing Israel and taking on Iran is our.

Zarakusa. It's a, it'll be our end. And the Iranians are, do not have to win in a normal sense of fielding equipment tanks on the battlefield. I mean, this is all about, uh, they just have to hold out and stay in the game. And then we, we lose our whole empire will fall. So, um, already right now, I mean, after two weeks of this, Iran is, uh, has inflicted devastating attacks on, on, on over 30 bases in the region. On Friday, they struck a NATO base in eastern Turkey holding nuclear weapons. They blew up a bunch of nuclear weapons. They're sending a very strong message to NATO. They've been hammering Israel. Now, don't get me wrong, they're taking a brutal beating. I mean, but now the U.S. is behaving like Israel and carpet bombing these poor Iranians.

So I just, it's just really despicable. Like that Minab missile, when we opened up the conflict, We blew up 170 children, girls, actually was a private school, daughters of officers of the Revolutionary Guard. So it's this sort of Israeli style, like demoralization atrocity. But this is not like bidding for American behavior. I just think this is really despicable behavior. It's my friends in Asia and South Asia, they're telling me, like, look, America's done. Like, your reputation is trash now. you're getting militarily humiliated and

so it's painful to watch this. I would agree. Now you bring up a couple of really interesting points here. Just historically speaking, when we look at France with Vietnam and how it really brought France to its knees because they were caught in that boondoggle, certainly the United States also had a very losing war in Vietnam. We look at the Soviet Union in Afghanistan. So we see examples of this historically where,

a powerful country went into one of these third world countries and ended up losing the war, not just losing the war, but losing their place within the worldwide structure. So yeah, I think you're right. When we look at what happened, the boondoggle of Iraq for us and even Afghanistan for us, and now we're going to go into a country that's much larger. As you said, they can just fight a war of attrition. And we lose this. I mean, when I look at the data points, we lose this every single time.

And it's not just me, it's not just you, it's individuals, you brought up Douglas McGregor right there, individuals that are in the know that are saying, this is bad for America, we're going to lose this war. And these hypersonic missiles, the Persians have, I mean, people don't understand also like the Persian culture. It goes back to over 2,500 years. They, this principle and ancients of Astonism called Aisha, which is like the truth or the divine, order of things that people were willing to die for for their king. Then later in Islam there was this concept of martyrdom with the I think the Battle of Karbala and 680 where this whole idea is this this this figure died instead of

submitting to an evil an evil guy he chose death. So there's this this deep-seated martial culture. It's they do not do not push-overs. They're way harder fighters. and Arabs. And they are willing to die for what's right. And now when America and Israel just come, start

bombing things indiscriminately, this is, and particularly taking out Khomeini, who seems like chose to die as a martyr rather than run into a bunker. This sense, this just sort of deeply seats the support

for them to hold out. And the Iranians can take a beating. Now, Israelis, on the other hand, they don't, they usually like to manipulate other people to get to fight their wars. And they hide behind all the nice toys and kill grandmothers and stuff. But in the end, in the end, they're wimps. They're not actually hard fighters. They're just willing to inflict atrocities.

But when they're back, it's pushed to the wall, they're going to leave that country. I mean, I think in the 12-day war before the government of Israel actually issued Enidic saying that they were, prohibit Israelis from leaving the country because they got nine million people i think a million left actually but in the 12-day war but you had seven million jews and two million arabs there and i think like a million of a good a million left over the 12th they were but now they're really getting hammered in like and uh the statistics i heard was like two million and four and have second passports but i mean they're just going to flee that place i mean they they they're only been there a generation or two no no one's been there more than two two two

generations and when they're when they're against the wall I don't know what I don't see them standing you know staying there and and then there was all this speculation B.B. got hit you know and he's not been seen and he's weird a video videos are putting out there's two national security meetings he hasn't showed up at and I don't think if that if that occurred I don't think they cannot politically admit that no I think the morale will just collapse. So they're already on the verge of collapse right now. So this is some big stuff, you know, and it has the potential to overlap and overflow into the Ukrainian theater. Like they were inviting Zelensky to send drone specialists and the Russians are helping

the Iranians with their targeting of targets. The Chinese are helping with satellite intelligence. Cumani Jr. said we're going to allow Russian and Chinese bases here. So Kumani Jr. issued this ultimatum on March 10th that said we want all the U.S. bases vacated in the region. We want reparations for all the war crimes, half a trillion dollars, they asked, and the dropping of the sanctions. I don't think those are quite unreasonable demands. I don't think they'd ever get the reparations. but I think they will achieve the other two goals in the coming weeks. I think it's a distinct possibility. Yeah.

One of the other points that you brought up that I really want to actually devote some time to is you basically alluded to dispensational eschatology. And it's something that Christians, American Christians in particular, have really just bought into. Now, I've devoted a number of shows to dispelling what I believe is a myth, that this is not actually what the Bible teaches. this dispensational, the Schofield Bible, the separation. I can go into that, right?

I interviewed James Perloss, who did a really interesting presentation in that, but basically when they first founded Israel, they went to the Vatican, and they thought they needed the Goyam's Christian support. So they went to the Vatican, they said, hey, Vatican, we support the Christian of Israel. The Pope told them, this is like 1945, you know, 40, 45. They said, the Pope said, no, we're not recognizing him. So then they took this sneaky approach with finding, getting the Schofield guy who was a crook and a crank and a, and declared incompetent by the court over his family. And then he, and they, and he wrote this reference Bible, even though the guy never went to, it's unclear he even went to any church or what do you call it a past, became ordained or anything, you know?

Yeah, something is cool. just a crook, right? And then he wrote this reference Bible, but published in like Oxford publishing or, I mean, he was rubbing shoulders in the Lotus Club in New York with these elite guys and this guy, Waldemeyer was his name? The guy who helped create the Federal Reserve on top of it? Yeah. Yeah, there was Untermeier, this guy, Untermeier, who was a real big scientist America, famous financial guy. He backed Schofield and then he went to London and he went to London and he wrote this thing and then he went to Switzerland and wrote the scope of above in Switzerland, which was the same place where in, where they were at the World Zionist Congress at the time. So it really appears they took an approach to adulterate the Bible by getting this guy to publish this reference Bible. And that's sort of been the basis of all this Zionist stuff in Christianity.

Because let's be clear, basic Christian doctrine is that the Jews were chosen, but then when Jesus came, then he's the new Messiah. and the Jews are no longer chosen, and then you're spiritually the children of Israel, and the Jews, you should want to convert them to Christianity, not leave them as a parallel thing that are still chosen. That's not, that is not Christianity, you know, on the basic 101 definition. So the way that they bamboozled, the Christians to support, the fulfillment of Jewish eschatology is really crazy stuff.

And this is really relevant today because just 10 days ago, there was 150 U.S. soldiers from like 20 different units across the military, claiming their commanders for telling them that, oh, look, this Iran War is awesome. It's going to be Armageddon and the coming of Jesus. And they're like, what the hell is this? We didn't sign up to protect America and not bring Armageddon. I got to tell you, James, as a Marine veteran, like, I can't imagine. sitting down and getting a briefing like that.

Like, hey, guys, we're going to Armageddon. Like, what? Like, what did he just say? Like, Armageddon? This is never a good thing. But you're right. Dispensationalism has completely pulled a veil over the vast majority of American Christians. There is some positive notes.

A lot of people are starting to push back. Some of the more mainline Protestant denominations, certainly orthodoxy, Catholicism. They haven't taught this. They've taught covenant theology. which unfortunately the dispensationalists call us, you know, replacement theology, a pejorative term, that they literally designed. But you're right. Your assessment of Christianity was always that, hey, the new Israel, we've been grafted into it. It is anyone who believes in Jesus Christ as their Savior. They are God's chosen people. And Jesus told us to go and make disciples. So it's not as you worded it, a parallel, you know, you got the Christians and you got the Jews. Both are chosen. but they're kind of running a similar path, I suppose, but they have... It is nuts.

But then we get this eschatology. Like, they use dispensationalism to prove, hey, look, Israel became a nation. That proves prophecy. Well, but the people who were behind it designed it so that it would fool everybody. And now we have this war of Gog and Magog, as you were talking about earlier in the program. And Christians are literally salivating over this idea of an Armageddon war, and it blows my mind. Yeah, Gaggumag does appear a lot in the Koran, and that you could legitimately say Gagimagga is also a Muslim prophecy. But it really, I mean, it's not so much in Christianity.

But they've been reinserting it through all these corrupt pastors or stupid pastors. I don't know, they're maybe stupid and corrupt. But it's just not, it's just really not Christianity. So I just see that a lot. They go, the main talking point they always go is they go, oh, it's the Old Testament. It's the Bible. It's the Bible. And you're like, you know, I mean, anyway, it's not Christianity on its most basic terms that Judaism is not accepted under Christianity.

It's no longer a valid religion. You should seek to convert them. They are not chosen. They are not worthy of us sending up their modern money and are children. children to die for to fulfill their kooky prophecies. And quite frankly, these prophecies they have are very dangerous and very destructive. So they believe that basically in the birth, they call this the before the messianic era, before the messianic arms, they'll be the birth pangs of the messianic era.

Like when a woman gives birth, she gets her extreme pain before giving birth to the child. And so they say that this war of Gog and Magog, this World War, which is basically a war between East and West, where Gog is U.S. and EU, and Megag is Russia, China, Iran, Turkey axis. So there's the precipitate a massive world war. In the traditional view of the prophecy, it's the 90% of the Gentiles die and two-thirds of the Jews die. and who they're because the two-thirds of the jews are not pious they're not following the 800 rules and then whatever jewish sect is it is they believe there then there'll be this new this israel be destroyed and a new israel will be created that whatever jewish sect they think their leaders will be the kings of the new israel that in this in this tycoon alam this purified world

of where all where you know all the impure are killed off and but it's really this kind of like uh orgy of of of apocalyptic I mean destructive I mean it's like a nightmare like I anyway I've just been looking this up just to put this stuff in reference points I was looking up all these old rabbi clips and from going back 10 years and then they were saying Persia will start this thing and da-da-da-da-d I mean they were talking it was like the exactly what's happening so yeah I mean you put a very pretty picture here James very very beautiful picture I feel like I'm Bob Ross for having happy little accidents over here. But you're talking about all the Gentiles being killed and two-thirds of Israel.

Say that again? 90%. Sorry, 90% of the Gentiles being killed and two-thirds of the Jews being killed. That sounds like a hellscape to me. It doesn't sound like a positive thing here. I guess it's that Phoenix rising from the ashes is kind of their vision. And then they said like, oh, well, you know, when the war starts, Gog will send help from the sea, and all the kings of God will come and kiss the feet of the King of Israel.

And so when they first started that October 7th thing, which is highly questionable, that occurred. Doug told me he was given a tour a few months or in 2020 of the entire Gaza perimeter, and he's like, I don't see how a pigeon could get through there, you know? I mean, so they had stand-down orders. There's even been Knesset hearing showing they had seven-hour stand-down orders across the fence. Anyway, but when the German, so anyway, when this whole October 7 thing, all the Western leaders went down to Israel, Biden and everybody to show their support,

and when the German delegation, the special, the love, whom the Israelis love so much, the Germans, when they arrived, when down the tarmac, they sent these alarms off saying that, that, oh, there's missiles coming. They say, go fall on the ground, you know? And so all the German delegates fall flat on their face on the tarmac, symbolizing kissing the feet of the king. But you can see in the distance, no one's doing that.

In the video in the airport, no one else is doing that. They're just humiliating them according to their rituals. So I just, anyway, I mention all this because this is, this, the Israel and the U.S. administration seem very, in this camp. I mean, Jared Kushner is a hardcore Habbat guy. They believe actually that the Havad believes that the, BV's the last president before the Messiah. Yeah. So if he got nailed, that's the kind of good, throws the kibosh on that a little bit. Yeah, it does, but they could be potentially looking for their savior at this point. And some of them,

I know some of the prophecies, they say it might be Trump actually. that it's going to come in as this Gentile King of Israel. It's all literally nuts to me, James. I got to tell you, and I really think one of the more Christian themes, I mean, the Bible tells us, if possible, to be at peace with everyone, we don't seem to be following that as Christians. We seem to have removed that part of the Bible. That's not fun. That's not apocalyptic eschatology. We don't want to talk about that.

We want to go into what John Hage is so excited. excited about of the Gog and Magog War bombing everybody. And I got to tell you, James, as a Christian, when I see, like, we've talked about Gaza a number of times here, when I see the landscape of that, as you were saying, like, it's literally been devastated. Like, there's nothing there. There's no life there whatsoever. Like, my heart breaks for that. When I, when I think about all the women and children, the innocents that were killed there, like, my Christian heart, it hurts over that. And yet I look around it, my fellow Christians, and they're like, yeah, like, good, we needed

this. Yeah, that's not Christian ethics. I mean, he was the Prince of Peace, not the Prince of War. Yeah, exactly. Now, James, I hate to do this, but we've got to take a hard break here. I know you got a lot to say about this, but we're going to come back and let you discuss this, because it is a very Christian principle to try to live in peace. So, ladies and gentlemen, we'll be right back.

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Yeah, so basically I embarked on this project almost a year ago, and it was basically anticipating this world war and basically it's an anti-war film for our

time. I think our leadership in U.S. and Europe have gone insane. They're pushing for a war with Russia and a war with Iran and eventually I think it'll meld into China. So I interviewed 25, mostly around the European theater. So now I'm kind of rushing to incorporate all this Israeli stuff and Iran stuff. Because like only about five of my

interviews touched on Iran saying this would be really stupid if it happens. This is where Israel and U.S. are going to get whooped. This is not going to end up well. So I think I really, it's really been a difficult time right now. I sat down to edit it now. World War III breaks out in Iran. I'm following the news very closely, and I'm looking at doing also starting a weekly, just 15-minute news brief on what happened in the last every week,

you know, with this thing, because it's developing so quickly. But essentially, it's an anymore film for our time to give people perspective and understand that throughout history, one of the main themes of it is throughout history, empire's rise and fall, and civilizations do well on the way up. They have a lot of prosperity, they have a lot of freedom. There's free markets, not so many taxes.

There's a lot of economic prosperity occurs. But then at a certain point, it's sort of like corruption sets in, oligarchs gets set in their ways and start to disabuse the people. And then the bureaucracy sets in and starts to steal from the people and control them. And then the sort of imper, then the fall starts to happen. And when that period starts to occur on this bell curve, right, then that's when the wars occur. The leadership is losing control. They're getting greedier and greedier, and they tend to just start clamping down more on the people,

and then they start embarking on these foreign wars, because as popular support diminishes, what better way than having an enemy. So this has happened thousands of times in history with empires. And then the wealth sort of like money moves like water. it just goes to the other kingdom. It moves to the next place. So we're seeing that now. The West had its heyday.

It had its high points. And the U.S. was the main power for the last hundred years. But now money is moving to Asia. And I think it has been somewhat engineered to some extent. I mean, I do. That's a whole other conversation. But either way, these things do just happen throughout history. and the imperial hubris the ancient greeks had this whole concept of the tragic cycle of hubris

of uh hubris nemesis tis and that the that the the leader starts does an initial affront to the natural law of the universe and then commits some atrocity like like that minab weapon thing right and then then the god send nemesis to cloud the dictator's mind and he starts getting getting clouded less cloudy judgment and and it starts committing more evil things to the point that then the fate is sealed and the full destruction comes in you know so this I think this is that's been very informative to for me to understand this yeah no I agree with you and you look at the cycle I mean I'm I'm wearing my make Orwell fiction again shirt over here and if you if you remember in in 1984 like they just kept them in this perpetual state of war because the people were easy to control and you look at look at really just recent American history. I mean, we've been at war, well, we've been a physical war since at least 2001, but even wars on poverty, wars on drugs. There was always this war culture that they were constantly immersing the American public in,

and it was all by design to keep us control, to keep us in this state of fear so that, oh, man, we're in a panic. Oh, that makes people easy to control. Let me ask you this. I think this is going to be an interesting question for you. Cancel culture. I want to bring cancel culture into this conversation. And it might seem kind of odd at first.

But as conservatives, the libertarians, we got to this point where we were so tired of cancel culture, right? We got so sick of any time we brought up any point, oh, you're a racist, you're a sexist, you're a homophobe, they'd constantly be throwing at this. And so we saw this massive pendulum swing back to the right. And we elected Donald Trump. And we stopped. We just put a big old stamp of we're not doing this anymore on cancel culture. comedy returned. We were able to see stand-up comics make jokes that were

offensive and we all laughed about them again and we were celebrating this. And yet, now the conversation has moved to where things that you and I are talking about saying we're not Zionists, all of a sudden, conservatives are falling for another label.

You're an anti-Semite and they're throwing it around left and right. It's all over conversations all across America that people like you and I were clearly anti-Semites because we're not Zionists. I'd love to hear your thoughts on this. I don't think that that's working anymore. I mean, I think before the Gaza thing, the any semi trick of accusing anyone who criticizes Israel or some Jewish behavior, they would say you're anti-Semi. I mean, I don't think you can be called

a bigot for pointing out someone else's bad behavior. I think people should hold others accountable. otherwise they just continue to run amok. I mean, if you have a carjacking car thief and he never gets punished, he's going to steal more cars, right? I mean, so being from D.C., I do have to say that there's a tremendous amount of control over the government, and it's a very stuff you play. Still in D.C., you can't criticize Israel, but I think the public opinion is shifting quite rapidly.

I think it's interesting to see the demographic breakdown of that young, Young people right and left are very critical of Israel and stuff. And of the influence in the U.S. over the U.S. government. Older left people, it's like, I think, 50-50, but older right people, it's still like 70% support. So this is headed in a direction that's more critical of Israel and Israeli control over the government. At the same time, you know, we have the most pro-Israeli government in the world. world now. I mean, we've ever had. And I think Trump, Trump, I suspect, is Jewish himself. He's, if you look up his genealogy, there's, there's half the names are Jewish. His first wife,

the Czech wife was, it was a Jewish check woman. So all the kids are, they publicly say they're half Jewish. So I don't, he's, I think, more sympathetic. He's highly sympathetic due to that. And then he was very involved with these Epstein files. Yeah. More like an active participant rather than just the blackmailed John. so this is a very bad guy I mean I mean I was happy with the first three months he said we're going to get out of NATO it looked really good in the first three months and then it's like now it's like a hellscape I mean this guy's launching every damn worry I don't know where this is going to end up but I mean it can't and it will destroy the U.S. economy I mean it will destroy our position in the world so I don't know you're sorry you went cancel culture um I don't know on the one hand I think that it's like these guys that They cook up 20 headaches to throw at society, and then they'll pull one back a little bit, and then we're like, oh, we got a reprieve.

But it's almost like you see the same guys doing all these different headaches. So it's like they throw the dog a bone. They'll beat the dog with five different kinds of sticks. Then they'll throw away one of the sticks. And then, I mean, it's like, is this really, are we really in a better spot? I think it's kind of a psychological strategy of tormenting us. I would agree. Crisis and solution, right? This is something the government's been active in for as long as I can remember. And even what you were speaking of right there, you know, you got Mark Levin over there manhandling Trump, literally like Trump's the guy that when you shake hands with him, he pulls you to him, right? And all of a sudden you got Mark Levin with his hand over his shoulder, ganking Trump into him, calling him the most Jewish, or calling him the first Jewish president. This is wild stuff. And then some... I think he is. He hides it.

I would agree. but I wanted to bring this up because lately I've been studying this quite a bit, but I think it's actually fair to say, certainly in the case of like Jared Kushner, but I think also with Trump as well, I think more than anything, they're Kabbalists. They are studying Jewish mysticism, and they are believing that this is the true power behind the scenes that is really dictating every move that they make. What do you thoughts on that? Yeah, I've read some accounts that Trump.

has is into Kabbalah stuff I mean it's really applied mysticism I studied it for a bit as well to understand it in mystical schools but it's very much um it's really the the where all the countries where the Jews were they they absorbed the traditions of where they were living um so the Kabbalah is really kind of a hodgepodge of different cultures mystical beliefs in the western esoteric schools they call it the the mystery schools. This is really more of a Kabbalist, Jewish term, because they absorbed all these different traditions. But they largely plagiarized a lot of them. I think about 70% of the Kabbalah is lifted from

neoplatonism and the Eniads, but they didn't attribute it. So there were, this stuff goes far back. I mean, the Jews had their country destroyed by Rome in 70 AD. there was a 350 year

Roman-Judean wars Josephus wrote the book on that and so there's a lot of enmity in Judaism against Rome against Rome for destroying their country rightfully so

and they were the feistyest providence the Romans had a hell of a time putting them down and I mean there were several brutal fighting so a third of the Jews were Zeolots wanted to fight the third were neutral a third said we shouldn't fight

but the zealots were really fighting heavily and I mean there was two instances where they took over cities of 200,000 people and slaughtered every Gentile in the city. Then the Romans would come down and kill more of them. So it was just very intense. And King Herod would they say this Herod's wall, which isn't really Herod's wall, it's some Roman fort. They're misidentified that. Their Herod said, Herod was a Gentile puppet Roman king, just to give you a understanding of it. So there's a lot in a lot of the Jewish traditions, they're asking for vengeance against Rome to militarily defeat them. So in their idea of the Messiah is a physical king that takes, gets the money in the power now,

and leads them to military victory against Rome, whereas in Christianity, it's a spiritual king, and my kingdom's out of this world, the spiritual redemption. So I don't know where we're going with that, but. But anyway, so this is this destruction of the West, these conspiracies against the West, to destroy the West. I think some of that is coming from this anger at Rome, you know. Yeah, I could definitely see that. I want to bring up your website here, bigpicture.watch. And Chris will bring that up for everyone to see.

Yeah, and then the World War II too. Yeah, and I'll bring up the second website for sure, yes. This is my general site for all my work. Yes, and so take it away all. on this one, but yeah, every documentary, and you've done a number of them, you can all find at bigpicture.w. But James, take it away and tell us about your website here.

Yeah, here I just, I got, I have a rolling interview series with interesting people. There's funds that I have the films you can fund there. And you click films to watch. Those are all the finished films. You can watch them. Everything's for free.

I go donation-based, and so I got one on CBDCs. I did play in a lockdown. That was the biggest international piece on a COVID issue. I did one on the Dutch farmers, nitrogen 2000. Then Fertility, Infertility, Diabolical Agenda, I shot that. But Andy Wakefield edited it. I'm working on a new film.

People want to help me fund that. That's called Silent Infertility on Fertility and Vaccinations. I'm doing the leading film, and I got pretty hair-raising information on any fertility, any fertility effects of vaccination programs. And in Kenya, I went to Kenya and investigated that and found, got documents showing they were putting hormones and vaccines is proven in a government commission. So you're a big side of Bill Gates, right?

Like Bill Gates is like your guy. He's very involved with that, yeah. But that's the only film I've gotten harassment over, funny enough, because that's an active program. but these high-level critique of these international things, it's like that's not as dangerous, actually. But this is, anyway. But so then if you want to do the World War III,

we'll move over there, but I got to tell you, you might be one of the most banned men in America with all the topics that you're covering here. I mean, you're covering vaccines, you're covering World War III, fertility issues. You're making a lot of enemies over here. Well, yeah, I mean, my damn YouTube page is it ever goes, over 100,000 is at 99,700. It stayed there for a year. And they just like, every time I'll

put out a video, I'll get all these views, but then it'll be like, oh, you lost 100, you lost 100 subscribers this month, but it'll stay the same. And so I don't know what is going on with that. They're like, they're like capping it. Yeah, it is a problem. So doing shows like this helps helps people hear about the work. But basically, my work, to summarize it all, I do high-level overviews of the most pressing topics of our time from a rigorous journalistic view. My mom was a New York Times journalist,

and she always told me, you got to have original sources. I grew up in D.C. around dignitary. So I'm going to get the highest-level guy I can find to articulate these issues. No cranks, no cooks. I'm just good. But, you know, I'm doing it on these controversial topics, but I like to be the, I am basically the guy getting the highest level overviews of these things. So in the World War III film here, I got three retired German generals, top rank.

One guy was the highest ranking German general in history. He said the war, the Ukraine war is a fool's errand. I got a former CIA director, equivalent in France, Alain Jouillet. that was very interesting discussion on on what's going on. The retired French general as well. So several colonels.

So this is really interesting high level view of what's going on. What are the historical repetitions of what's going on? So I'm trying to help people through this troubled period today so they can watch this movie. The thing seems confusing.

It seems scary. But you know, it's It's not, it's, it's just a repetition of history. We'll see a lot of bad things happen, but, but there's really nothing to be afraid of. I think people should be prepared, be bigger, oppose these things, buy gold and silver, be critical, think critical, don't fall for all this nonsense.

This is not your war. This is, these are, these are trends of history. Oh, there's this Israel-Iran war analysis I wrote. That's quite interesting. Here, click that, click that. real quick because that's so good go down a little this is an interesting so there's so back in 680 a d emperor valerian invaded persia and of rome and he got surrounded and captured and several months ago the arrainians put up this statue in teheran commemorating their destruction their their defeat of valerian so this is this is the kind of the

mindset that the Iranians are coming from. You know, they defeated Rome back in 260 AD. And then at that time, the currency collapsed. So this is very interesting. I also interviewed Martin Armstrong on this. I'm doing a PhD in economics and studied monetary history and all this stuff. So there's the rise and fall of coinage and currencies. And this, in 260 AD, Valerian attacks Persia got captured.

The guy made him like a footstool of the emperor. and then he eventually killed him and stuffed him and had him in the court. So anyway, then the currency collapsed. So if you go down here too, I made a chart of all the Iranian missile systems there. So you can see the number of missiles they have and everything over Mach 8 slices right through any missile defense system. So the missile capability of Iran is just tremendous. They have, I remember watching a Chinese news.

So I'm getting news from like India, China, all around the world every day, that China, this guy was like, if Iran wanted to, you could just wipe Israel off the map. And with or without a U.S. help, I mean, this is so dumb. They're 79 times larger than Israel geographically. And it's all mountainous, so it's very easy to hide things. It's not like Iraq. We spent eight years digging around in Iraq. But that's just flat desert. This thing is mountainous.

There's all these tunnels everywhere. And then they got 10 times more Iranians. And they're spread out 80% around the country. Whereas Israel's really concentrated in two major cities. So it's an easy target for shooting at, you know, Israel. So now they've hit this nuclear bunker. They've just struck this, I think Friday, they struck this underground servers in Tel Aviv that brought the whole Israeli financial system.

to a halt for several days, people couldn't transact. This is not sustainable. I mean, and then we're going to wrap our destiny with this mess. I mean, that is not smart. No, I completely agree. We need to be asking these types of questions. We need to be pushing back. I mean, I grew up, you know, thinking that, you know, anyone who was drafter for the Vietnam War and draft dodged was just this horrible human being, right?

As I said, I served in the Marine Corps. Like, I believed in all this. And now I'm looking at the situation that's arising and potentially another draft coming at us. And I'm like, I wouldn't send my kids to that. I would encourage my kids to not sign up to leave the country, if necessary, because I don't want them dying for some foreign banker war. That's the kind of position that I'm in. And I want more Americans to come to that realization. Yeah, I think.

Well, they appear to be taking, they're going to destroy Europe on Russia. The Middle East will turn into a toilet. Hopefully it doesn't go nuclear. Then the U.S. They appear to be taking the approach of civil war to divide us through the civil war. And this increasingly escalated migration issue. I interviewed the top guy in the world in the migration issue for the film David Betts in London, and he's a Canadian military historian or a counterinsurgency.

expert, insurgency expert. And he was really interesting. The guy was very nervous, you know, because in England, he can really get in trouble. So, but this is the Civil War strategy. It's like bringing in all these random people, really low-quality immigrants that are unskilled, not giving them work permits, which makes no sense. I interviewed the Prince of Lichtenstein for the film. And he says, you know, we really should just, this is crazy to not bring them in and not

give them a work permit. So they're bringing in only men, then the media is telling your women to screw them, and then you have the gobs of these people. That's civil war stuff. He was like, you know, oh, this is unsus-then-you-have-the-government-of-the-indigenous. That will create a civil war environment, a very destabilizing economic and political and cultural environment. So this is what's going on in tandem in Europe and the U.S. And then I think I touch on that issue and this and this.

But it's looking like, okay, so now we got Israel war going on. My prediction will be Israel's war is flashing up now. Within a year, the European theater will light up. And you might see a front on the Belarus Polish border. And then we're talking within two years of that, or from now, the U.S. will start taking on China in a more aggressive way, which is really retarded. Because, I mean, how you're projecting the cost, the sheer cost,

of projecting military power on the other side of the earth is very expensive. And the Russian, and just last, like, word to logistical point is that the U.S. weapons systems are extremely expensive systems, and the production of them is very inefficient. Like, I'm from D.C., so you'd always hear that, oh, the B-52 has parts made in every single state. So just so that the congressmen have some kickbacks. But the point is that the Russian and the Chinese weapon systems are 10% of the price. They're not made by contractors. They're made directly by the state at efficient prices.

And they're new forms of wars like hypersonic missiles. The old aircraft carrier models are really made for World War II. So the nature of warfare has changed a lot with drones, hypersonic missiles, and the Russians are and the Chinese are producing these. They're producing them at 10% of the price and most importantly they have the industrial base to build more of them. In the US and Europe, we've hollowed out the industrial base. Germany's in full collapse. It's 25% of the economy of Europe. They're laying off 50,000 workers a month now. I mean, the U.S. blowing up this pipe,

North Stream pipeline has destroyed the German economy. So we really see, in a world war scenario, you have to keep rebuilding the planes, the tanks, the bombs, to keep rebuilding, making more munitions. And you need that vast industrial base internally, autarkically, in the country, to keep, to propagate a world war, you know, for a three to five year extended period, which like we did in World War II, we had all these factories running.

Now, the U.S. and Europe does not have that industrial base. China and Russia do. Granted, they have their problems. They have all kinds of issues internally. Their people don't really want to fight a war either, and the Russians are fleeing. I've traveled in Central Asia and during this Ukraine war, they're just fleeing Russia to get away from the draft. Bali, I went to Bali. It was like filled with Russians.

it just came the last two or three years just to get their money out and just get out of there. So there do face issues. I'm not going to say it's all rosy, but they have the industrial basis to propagate this war, and we don't. So we will lose necessarily, and this is not because I'm ragging on the U.S. I'm just saying it's just an analysis, a basic common sense analysis here. And then my film is imparting this to the public to not make these very predictable mistakes. I mean, I got to tell you, I say to a number of guests, I got to have you back, but I got to have you back. I mean, there's someone that we did not get to that I want to cover.

Certainly the Civil War that they seem to be engineering in the United States would be a very interesting topic. I've been covering that. But, I mean, there's so much going on. There's such a bleak picture for what could happen to us. And so we'll definitely have to have another conversation. I did want to ask you one more question, then I'll circle back to your websites because I really want to push people to that. But the significance of so many of these statues coming up in Iran of bail, and they're igniting them. Can you talk about that a little bit?

The ball is an old Phoenician god. Like in Balback in Lebanon, I visited that. This is really interesting stone sites there, like these huge stones ruins. say they're Roman, but they could be older from some other civilization. I don't know. It's like these huge stones and then on top of them are these Roman temples. But, yeah, this child sacrifice idea of killing the kids for good fortune or for power. I honestly don't know what I haven't read a lot into the child sacrifices of the Phoenicians. But I mean, a lot of cultures did that. The Mayans did that. The Aztecs did that.

You'd scare the people. You'd use it for political control. Or I think in magic traditions, like, you know, you can kill a chicken. They do this kegopod ritual with the chicken. They transfer the sins to the chicken and kill the chicken. There was an old practice called the scapegoat ritual. They used to do in the temple that was, they would say they transfer the sins of the Jews to these two goats. One would run off symbolizing the fleeing away of the sins,

and the other one they would kill to Satan, because the god of the Gentiles of Satan, so he doesn't complain to Yahweh about the crimes of the Jews of the Gentiles. And that's why we have this goat symbolism for Satan is from this old scapegoat ritual thing. So I think this ball is this Phoenician god that was the god of child sacrifice, and so with the Epstein files and all this stuff going on and they're burning these F the Persians are

really saying look you know this is the West is corrupt it's run by these pedophile elite ball worshipping devils and so they so they and I mean on the EFSIen emails there was a few things he called one of his bank accounts ball like yeah or he and he got this he got this weird uh disease in his face and it looked like it could be this uh jerky eating inducing uh but you know the cannibalism kind of thing. There was weird stuff in there. I mean, it's really unnerving to go through that stuff. So in Iran, they're burning effigies of ball.

And I think a few other countries too. I think they always saw one in Pakistan too. As saying, oh, the corrupt Western elite or just a bunch of baby-eating ball worshipping, Satanists, pedophiles. I mean, literally, it's funny. I saw this general on Iranian TV. He's like, he's like, Trump's a pedophile, and he eats kids. Wow.

It's like right on the evening news, you know, and it's like... That's wild stuff. Crazy stuff. Yeah. It's creepy. It's creepy this sacrifice. Yeah. And I mean, I will say, and once again, you know, you always got to say this, but you're not on the side of Iran.

You're not on the side of Russia and everything. But they're right about some of this stuff. I'm not excusing the atrocities that occurred in Iran over the years. But they're right about this. And so we really need to question that as Americans. as people who truly love liberty, I love our republic, want to restore that.

We need to start questioning who our leaders are, the actions that they're taking, what they're trying to get us engaged in. So I'm going to, once again, point to the websites. Number one, World War III Documentary.com.

Ladies and gentlemen, you have got to watch this documentary. It is so important. So go to the website. Go ahead, sir. So here I got the first video is a nine-minute trailer, surprising the World War. And the bottom one is like a four-minute.

My initial one, where I go into false flags, that war is a racket. It's nobody benefits. You know, 230 million people died in the 20th century due to wars. So we really don't want to make this mistake. And we really, we need good people to go into government and to improve our country and be friends with other countries. And be an example in the world. You don't make the world better by harming other people or bombing other people. You make the world better by making yourself better.

You know, it's a law of divine law. If everyone made themselves a better person, all the world's people will be better. I completely agree with that. The other website is bigpicture.watch. Ladies and gentlemen, why not watch something that is actually fulfilling? that actually teaches you something. You know, we just had the Oscars. I didn't watch it.

I don't know anybody who did watch it. But instead of watching the Oscars where a bunch of Pitoes are giving each other awards, maybe go to Big Picture Not Watch and watch one of these documentaries. That would be my suggestion personally. James, what say you there? Yeah, I do the high-quality cinema production films on the best, bit and most heart-pressing issues of our day. And please donate to the people.

to my work because it's it's very difficult to do these things. I just now get little donations and larger donors to help me with this, but it's a work of passion to help people. It's not a money-making thing I'm doing here, you know? Sure, absolutely. So I would encourage people to go to the website and also hit the donate button. Don't just watch the films. Enjoy the films, but please, people like this that are putting literally everything at risk.

This is their mission and they need our support, ladies and gentlemen so please hit the donate button. Well, James, it's been an absolute pleasure having you on the show. Like I said, we're definitely going to have to have to have to have there's a lot of conversations that I want to have that we weren't able to.

We went long as well. I know I told you it'd only go 45 minutes. I apologize for keeping you along, but you're such an interesting guess that I just had to do that. Well, we can re-circle back, you know. I mean, a lot will happen between now and just two weeks, you know?

It's so true. moving quickly, you know? Yeah, absolutely. No one can say that they're bored. That's for sure with current events. James, I'm going to go ahead and close us out. If you hold on one more minute, post-production to say her goodbyes. I'd appreciate it.

But again, thank you for your time. Thank you for all your work. Thank you for sounding the alarm on all of these things. Cool. Thanks for having me. A nice gun there behind you there. Oh, thank you. It's how I trigger people.

Yeah. All right. Well, again, I thank you for your time. All right. Well, we're going to close that, ladies and gentlemen. It's been a fascinating conversation. One of these, this is one of those episodes that I really think that you should share to as many people as you can because we need neighborhoods talking about this. We need local politicians of the city council talking about these kinds of issues because we are getting dragged into a war that we really have no business in.

And not just beyond that, we also, we're going to suffer. We're going to suffer greatly. And if you don't want that for your country, if you don't want that for your children, your grandchildren, then it's time to take action. Church and State is brought to you in part by Colonial Life, Spokane, Independent Agents, finders insurance, and mark37.com. I'm Caleb Collier. I was born for a storm. Welcome to the fire.