The Prepper Broadcasting Network - EMP Preparedness Special - with Ryan from Mission Darkness

Episode Date: June 4, 2024

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you're listening to pbm you will pay us back the stability you've got circuitry you've got um you've got circuits and those circuits are susceptible to an emp to an event um if you're if you're going to fill the air with so much energy that it's going to basically fry any electronics, more specifically the ones that are plugged into the grid. But even if they're not, those gas generators still have circuits inside of them. They have boards, and those can become fried and basically damaged, and those will go down as well. So even a flashlight right flashlight has has a pcb inside of it's got

batteries those are susceptible to damage so it's kind of it's a little bit counterintuitive you know you might think oh gas a gas generator you know i'm fine or a gas vehicle or something like that but in reality just about everything has a circuit inside of it yeah everything's got electronics now probably too much for its own good to be honest with you there's that feeling of helplessness that i hate when it comes to all this digital stuff you know and it is that's what it is it's that sort of motherboard management or electronic management that we just don't understand and and more than not not understand it you can't call your dad or your uncle and be like

you know what's wrong with this thing man and they'd be like oh i know exactly turn it on let me listen to it you know what i mean you there's nobody out there you just got to take it to a dealer or replace it or you know know, all that kind of stuff. And that's rough. So how did you guys come up with the concept of the Costco DIY build? I love that idea. Yeah, yeah. We, because, you know, like you opened this up with with the the diy stuff because we

we end up helping a lot of customers i mean we get people writing and asking how do you know i've got i bought some of your materials i bought this stuff how do i actually make something that works because i tried to make something i put my cell phone in it to test it and the cell phone rang so maybe i need a little guidance here so that's happened over the years you know countless countless, countless times. So we try to help people. We try to put out YouTube videos, just, you know, sort of do this step, do this step, do this step. But there's every every enclosure is different.

So people were taking our materials and making a wooden box or trying to cover a shed or something. And so we thought it might be nice to put out just a kit that's a little bit easier to follow. And it's not rocket science, but there are some steps you need to do. Multiple layers of material has to be fully enclosed. You can't really have even kind of a pinhole or it won't work. So we put out this kit that goes inside of the Costco container. It's not out yet. It will be soon. And just size to that because that Costco container from, you know, many YouTube videos of people prepping or building their kits and just kind of it's intuitive to imagine that that's a really easily available enclosure to make this into. enclosure to make this into. Anybody who's near a Costco or couldn't go online to get one can obtain that and then get this kit correctly sized for it. So that was the thinking, just to make it easier, more standardized and readily available for people.

Have you considered like a, if this one does well, like a five gallon bucket? Yeah, definitely. Yeah, no, that's, it's funny you said it. We were thinking about that if this one does well, like a five gallon bucket model or. Yeah, no, that's, it's funny you said it. We were thinking about that kind of the bucket size, just making one that's really easy. It's just, it is a little small kind of once you buy the kit and you get it, it was just a little bit, we thought it might be nice to have a little bit more space inside.

I don't remember the exact gallon size of that Costco container, maybe like 20, 30 gallon or something. It was just enough size to put more than a bucket in. But yeah, that's a good idea. We may come out with a little smaller one. That's another one of those we all have them sort of things. You know what I mean? We all got five gallon buckets in terms of the prepping community anyway. And I have to imagine you're probably looking at that group

a little bit for people who are going to take the time to sit down and create their own, essentially their own Faraday cage with your raw materials. Jim, hey, I just lost the connection there. Sorry. I think I missed the last 30 seconds or so. I was just saying everybody's got the five-gallon buckets that's thinking about sitting down and building a Faraday cage. So that would probably be a cool little option too. Absolutely. Yeah. No, it's a good reminder. Maybe we'll put one of those out right after this. It's a good point you have. Everybody's got those already. You guys have a DIY product called the Titan RF Faraday patch. Is that adhesive patch? yeah that's that's adhesive so the way that the way that you're going to put the layers of material together um if you want to so our material titan rf fabric comes in 44 inch width lengths by you

know any um any length that you want but when you build an enclosure you need to put those together to get a longer width right to get bigger panels so i see we have we have titan rf um faraday tape that and we have different kits kind of diy kits or we have that tape comes in different packs so you can buy it separately but that's gonna that's what's gonna bind the layers together and maintain the conductivity and if you just use any regular tape duct tape or something like that you're going to break the conductivity between the layers. So you use that tape, tape together the lengths to get big panels. And the patch is the same material, but the larger patches can be used to actually line an enclosure if you want. That would be for kind of a smaller enclosure. But one technique is to use our tightener of tape or those patches and let's say line a bucket, for example, using that adhesive.

You would need multiple layers, but that, you know, that's one way to do it. Some people do that. They just adhere it to a surface. And that that patch will if you get any punctures in the material, let's say you build a DIY kit and, you know, you put some equipment in it and it punctures the side of it, it's not destroyed. You could use one of those patches to patch both sides of it and you're good to go again. I got you. Yeah, there's a lot of stuff you can do with all that. Really start going down the rabbit hole of EMP-proofing everything. Do you wear any of that stuff?

I know you guys have the EMP and different technology blocking blankets and stuff like that. Are you big on that? Yeah. You know, a lot of that comes into, there, there's a few scenarios where those types of items really where people are really thinking about it and they, they come into play. One is there's a certain section of people out there that have what's called EMF sensitivity and they just, section of people out there that have what's called emf sensitivity and they just um okay they're sensitive to electromagnetic radiation that's put out by um devices that may have higher

strength radiation um that that can occur from you know um like if you work near server rooms there can be a lot of uh emF that's being put out by those. Certain people may feel it with their smart meters or other things in their home. The other the other category is that often comes into play with those items is fertility. So I have two kids. And when when we were trying to get pregnant and I would have my laptop on my lap, my wife would come by and pull the laptop off and put it next to me and say, you know, just in case, right? Like, just in case it's frying something there, you know, let's just put it over here and you can use the laptop on a table. So that's a category. The blankets are often used for— you can use the laptop on a table so it's that's that's a category that's the blankets are often used for between you and the laptop yeah yeah sure you know laptop or with kids

um you know we we just don't know necessarily there's a lot of items around us now that are emitting radiation and it all it's growing you you know, exponentially, 5G networks, everything around us. And it may be it may be totally fine. We find out in 10, 20 years or it may not. It's we're it's it's hard to tell. Right. Definitely. Yeah.

Yeah. And just like people might take vitamin C and that may or may not help you there. They're thinking about this and they're they're saying, you know what, I'm just going to play it safe and get that blanket and use it around my house or use it with my kids or fertility scenarios and things like that. Yeah. It seems like from the RFID side of this stuff, it's only a matter of time before the tech is going to get sort of like point and clicky. Like if I'm a bad guy and I see a guy with a Rolex or a nice watch on or something, I just got a device that I can point and click at his person and get that RFID, that RF information, basically that identification. And if we keep using payment methods, which I don't know if we will or we won't, but if we keep using payment methods and sensitive information that uses that tech, it seems like your guy's technology would be almost impossible to live without issue. I know that the the theft technology

is not there yet you got to be pretty close to people but it seems like like you said with exponential exponential exponential you know probably be able to hit you with a drone a signal from a drone that'll just slurp up your information you know sure sure you say you say there's probably going to be a time in the future, but that time is here. I mean, I'll tell you a couple examples. So the RFID scenario of credit cards, that's been around for quite a while. There have been devices that criminals can buy easily. They're not expensive, and it's called skimming, right? They can walk by you and you do, you're right. You have to be pretty close for that to happen. So it's, you know, in the same, um, uh, you know, the same way you might be pickpocketed, you could, you could be skimmed,

right? So it's, it could happen. Is it likely? Well, you know, sure. You could get pickpocketed, but another one that's interesting, you may or may not have depends where you're at too, right? You're like, if you ride the subway every day skimming is a thing you know well and travel i mean a lot of people that are traveling to other countries um that's when that's when the you know if you're home and you know your environment and you're comfortable with it but if you're out and about and you're traveling in foreign countries that's when a lot of people start thinking about especially there's you know, there's some countries that when you enter the country, they have devices that are essentially it's kind of it's like routine and constant hacking. They're reading your device IDs. They're looking at your phone, IMEI, your phone information as much as they can get over the wire.

as they can get over the wire. And a lot of people just don't like that. They want their phones inside a Faraday bag. So when they're passing through, they're not being their device is not being associated with them and being added to country databases. And that's not that's not conspiracy. That's that's real. That happens. That happens all over the place. And we do it to to an extent. Some people just don't like that. They don't want to be registered and tracked. And your device is constantly connecting to Wi-Fi networks. You don't have to go in and connect to a Wi-Fi network manually through your settings to actually connect. Your device is constantly connecting it's constantly connecting to cell because it has to it has to register then when you actually do tell it to connect it has to

it has to see that network so you're being read everywhere oh yeah yeah i remember the first time i received my google timeline of travel activity breakdown. I don't know if you've ever received one of those from Google or not, but they're really interesting. They basically tell you, you know, here's the places you go all the time, which usually

wind up being, you know, if you take your kids to school, your kids' schools and your favorite places to eat, you know what I mean? And you're like, wow. Okay. Well, the, the jig is up already, I guess. Right. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, it's legit. That's the other one that I was going to mention is called a, you know, you're talking about, you know, devices where you can take someone's

information. The other one, and you can look this up, Mary May Knott, it's called a relay hack. It's basically where it's to steal a vehicle or gain entry into a vehicle to steal items inside of the vehicle. It's usually used with higher dollar vehicles, but actually that's not even true. It's used with all types of vehicles. But basically someone with a relay device, it's called, it's just basically a signal booster or transmitter, can go near your keys, which could be in your pocket or it could be behind the door in your house. You can look up YouTube videos of this. It happens all the time.

Someone comes in the middle of the night with a relay device. They just get it near your keys if they're hanging on the other side of the door, even inside. It boosts the signal back to the vehicle and someone else can open the vehicle instantly and start it and drive away. And people don't realize that. It's a massive problem. Government police departments in cities have been buying Faraday bags as programs to give them out to people to help them understand that their keys are exposed and they should use Faraday bags. So, you know, if you keep your keys away from the door and you're not in an area where maybe that could happen, where someone's near you, you know, in a parking garage or something, you may not be concerned about it, but it's a massive problem.

You may not be concerned about it, but it's a massive problem. Yeah, it's terrifying. And like I said, it's, you know, on the sort of spectrum of thieving technology, we're probably at the, you know, pretty early on, pretty early on in that timeline. It's going to get way more intrusive, I imagine. Oh, I mean, it's cat and mouse, right? It's the thieves are basically constantly developing technology to try to accomplish their purpose. And the other side of industry and government is trying to stop it. So, yeah, it's cat and mouse all the time yeah you guys you guys really do present that the faraday companies in general present a one of the best means of security

you know because you make the device just disappear altogether in other words the battle between like you know they're using this kind of hack and we're using this kind of security and updates so you can be secure against this kind of hack. You know, back and forth. It does seem like, you know, one of the best ways to stay out of that nightmare is to have your electronics that contain sensitive data to just not be there, you know, to be bothered with. But, you know, eventually you got to take it out of the bag and use it right right that's that's the that's the trade-off you know it's it's a manual it you're right it it is a cut and dry you know it's going to work because you can see it you can touch it feel it you know as long as you can test it maybe on your own,

make a call to your phone or text message, you see, okay, this thing is actually blocking signals, you know it's going to work. If you take your phone, iPhone, Android, and you physically turn it off, what have we all seen in the last few years? There's a notification that says your device is still findable through because you can go on and you can find your device it's not really off your phone isn't off you're not turning

your device off you can go into iCloud or go into Google and still find your device well it's still trackable right with a Faraday bag you you're you're using a manual method to make sure that it's actually blocking signals. But as you mentioned, the tradeoff is your device is inside of there, and it's a manual process to put it in and take it out. So that is a tradeoff. Yeah, but it works. I mean, my go-to test for any of these products, I stick it in whatever I'm putting it in, lock it up, Velcro it shut, whatever it does, and then go right to Google Find My Phone. Because Google Find My Phone will find your phone no matter what the hell happened to your phone. And I've seen it.

I mean, I've put it in my SLNT pouch, and boom, that thing is like, we don't know. No idea. It checked in 28 minutes ago i don't know where it went right so this stuff it's a lot it's a lot more convenient that if even if you were able to turn your phone off it's a lot more convenient to pull it in and out of a bag than actually turn it on and off right so i think it's kind of a mindset thing some people just don't there's various reasons to use faraday bags but a lot of people just don't they just don't want their location constantly pinging they don't they don't want

they don't want anybody you know the networks government anybody who might be interested in knowing where they're at to know it's totally legit yeah and i bet i bet it well that's going down the rabbit hole a little far well you, you guys offer some cool stuff, man, for someone who really wants to go deep. You guys have some, like, your Cyber Silent Faraday tent. It looks like you could fit a house in that thing. You guys got some larger versions of this more reliable technology that I haven't seen in other places. Did I pronounce that right? Cyber Silent? Is that what you're going for with that? some larger versions of this more reliable technology that I haven't seen in other places. Yeah. Did I pronounce that right? Cyber silent. Is that what you're going for with that?

That's it. That's it. Yeah. No, thanks for bringing that up. That's been interesting. I mean, it's been an evolution because we, when we came out with, you know, years ago when I started the company, we came out with bags and smaller stuff and we've just been asked over time to make bigger and bigger enclosures. And we make these tents for – originally we've made them for law enforcement and military for a number of reasons, conducting investigations, cell phone investigations or digital device investigations inside of. or digital device investigations inside of, um, so they can bring phones inside of there and, um, and investigate criminal activities. So criminals can't remote wipe or, uh, alter the evidence that they're looking at. Uh, and then we sell for, for military operations for,

um, also for, you know, device interrogations for, um, human interrogations. So spec ops and other military can't be tracked on suspect devices that may or may not be on individuals that they're concerned with. There's a number of applications that are non-civilian that we sold these for but but one you know which kind of you're you hit on is is the emp side of it and we've been asked for tents and for vehicles in particular for quite a while and we've we've made them um we make some pretty cool tents other than the cyber silent but this one the cyber silent is really neat because it's got a carbon fiber frame it's lightweight it's really strong um it's expandable. If you want to add to the size of the tent, we're going to come out with kind of an expandable module

for it. And it's not cheap. You know, the base model is around $15,000, but you've got people who are spending a hell of a lot more of that than $15,000 on their kit and they want to protect it. So that's the justification there is either vehicles or anything. You can put anything inside of that. I think the base is around 20 feet by 10 feet by around maybe 7 feet high or something. And we made it that way so it can fit into an 8-foot high ceiling height, essentially.

Ah, I got you. Yeah, good call. ceiling height essentially. Ah, I gotcha. Yeah, good call. You guys have this crazy looking Mission Darkness black box. What is the motivation? I don't even know how I'd use

that thing. It looks like something they pull off the airline. Yeah, that's... Are you talking about the block box? Oh, block box. I'm sorry. See, even in my head, I called it the black box. The block box lab XL. Yeah. Yeah, that's for law enforcement and military. That's for investigations. So that digital evidence goes right in the block box? Yep. Yep. That's it. It looks like a looks like a sandblasting box. You put your put your hands in your arms inside of it. That whole box, you open the lid. It's got a viewing window. Every component in there blocks signal. Right. So it's going to block Wi-Fi cell signals. Even that window has material that's going to block. So you put a phone inside of there, you close the lid, and then you put your

hands inside of those gloves and you can operate a device and turn it on. And even if you turn it on and you're operating it, it's not going to connect to the network. So it can't be remote wiped or altered. Yeah. That's cool, man. What were your thoughts with the Aurora and the massive sun attack a couple weeks ago. Was that a couple weeks ago now? Well, this year we've had a few of these types of events. This was significant, though, right? This thing had a lot of people worried. What were you thinking when it was en route? Were you like, we're going to...

Our folks who have our equipment are gonna get some use out of it this week were you thinking that or no yeah there's that um we also get you know when these types of events happen um we get we do get a lot of people writing in or purchasing our know, it's kind of a reminder, basically, that, because it's easy to think that these things are, are far off, or, you know, unlikely to happen. Or, you know, who knows, right? Maybe not in my lifetime or something like that. And then then you get an event and people go, Oh, crap. Okay, this is real. So yeah, definitely. That was an interesting one. We got a lot of a lot of contacts and a lot of sales of our products that are block EMP or solar flare. So I was saying that those events are great because I mean, they're not you know, they're not great.

But for for us, what it does is it opens up the conversation with a lot of groups of people and they they they get interested in in understanding what's going on and what it can actually do to their equipment. And then they contact us and ultimately it helps us kind of – helps us help the community essentially. where I was like, what's scary about it is there's no, first of all, there's really nothing anyone can do to help you if you don't have what you need, right? Like there's no mass mobilization the government or military or anyone can do to help. And then, of course, the second thing, what I realized this go-around was we don't really know what the big one even looks like.

In other words, Category 7 hurricane. You know what I mean? We understand that's a thing we've never seen before. You know what I'm saying? That's going to be a problem. That's going to kill people. What's scary about the sun is there's gonna be a problem that's gonna kill people that's gonna and what's scary about the sun is there's so many variables because it's so far away that we just don't know when when that big one is gonna hit or where it has to hit or so on

but we've seen i mean we've seen we've seen those kind of lights out situations in places like canada and uh where else we see a dude wasn't there one in new york it was not long ago 10 years ago something like that not in new york city but in the state a uh a geomagnetic event a storm yeah i know there was one in the northeast when i was younger uh-huh that put some power out and stuff yeah there there's I think one of the biggest ones is back in like it was back before the grid was fully established um one of those like hundred or multi-hundred year events um but yeah there's been there's been different events of various sizes and you get you get uh um Noah you know puts out an alert like, hey, this is real.

This could knock out the internet. Hey, we have an event going on. And when people see those, they go, wait a second. I've never thought about this. What is this? Here you go. March 13th, 1989. And where was that?

That was in New York? That was in new york that was in canada and shut out shut the electricity off to six million people for nine hours geomagnetic storm yeah i mean i don't know how much sun monitoring was going on back in those days but it was one of those things where it was like wow that happened back then we had no no idea what we were talking about. But those things, they just, like you said, it was about a day before, two days before, when we got the official warning about disruptions.

You know, oh, it could be some disruptions. Sure. This is the thing about prepping, Ryan, that I'm so glad more people are getting into it now Sure. with the blaze. And I was writing about how, you know, there's this sense that there's a government agent or a government program out there waiting for every American in a disaster. You know what I mean? Like in our minds, that's the way that we live.

We live with this idea that somebody is going to appear like a fairy godmother and be like, Oh, you've just been hit by a life changing disaster. Let's get you all wrapped up and fixed up and fed and watered and all those things. And it's just, it's never that way. I don't know why and how and what evidence we've used over all these years to come to that conclusion that somebody's going to swoop in and make it all better, you know? Yeah, yeah. Well,

and it's probably easy to think that when you have contained incidences that are affected a minor uh set of the population somewhere and you can wrap your mind around it but if we have something that's widespread it's that's yeah there's there's not going to be any help on the way no yeah but we know enough about fema now even that they roll into town and do what it is they can do and then they leave you know like all these people who got smashed by tornadoes over the last couple weeks it's not like it's not like fema shows up and rebuilds their house feeds them for the next three months you know what i mean sure like they show up and do what it is they can and usually it's like you know talking with local emergency management first responders and different you know entities there and then they're

gone it's over you're you're on your own so it's i don't know people are realizing and that's the good thing that's the good thing be capable when you're on your own you know instead of this concept of somebody's coming to help because it's just, you know, it's not going to be that way. EMP type event, which can happen many ways, whether that's through a bad actor, a nuclear generation of it or natural through the sun. You know, there's a lot of ways that can happen. That was pretty esoteric thought. A few years ago, only, you know, three to five years ago, that was pretty out there. Not even, you know, the government every once in a while would put out a piece of news that would say, hey, by the way, this is a threat and somebody here in the government is talking about it and there's nothing we can do about it. And since then, the frequency of the conversation has escalated dramatically. You can there's a there's articles now there's conversation from the government explaining the fact that our grid is entirely exposed.

There's nothing we can do short of rebuilding and hardening our entire grid, which is obviously not going to happen, electrical grid. It's totally exposed. It's pretty much people have said and recently officials have said it is the number one Most unprotected threat to our country Our electrical grid is entirely exposed So what do we do? We can do the best individually we can To try to counter that That's all we can do We have no ability to keep the grid going ourselves

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And nobody's, it's not, they're not saying that it was or wasn't Ukrainian, Ukrainian strikes, but it says during an all-out no no no that's not what i want to read you um russians are telling us that according to their nuclear protocols the destruction of the arm of your radar station could have allowed them to conduct nuclear strike in return because it's you know it is their sort of their numero uno in terms of detecting long before a nuclear weapon arrives into their nation that it's coming. Preemptive strike, all that kind of stuff would be conducted based off of what that radar finds out. And it's just another little baby step into this perilous situation that we're in right now with Russia, which is, I mean, it's terrifying, really. You know, I even find myself not wanting to think about it in too deep, too depth, because that's another one of those situations where it's once those things start getting lobbed, man, I hope you've taken precautions, you know?

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah, this—no, you're totally right. I mean, it's kind of what I was hitting on before. Here's news headlines from February 17. This year, a lot of this stuff. Russia attempting to develop nuclear space weapon to destroy satellites with massive energy wave sources familiar with Intel say this stuff. It's it's really getting out there now because it's a major, major threat.

It just hasn't been the conversation before has been a lot of like hacking, you know, Russia hacking Russian, you know, spy intel, things like this. Hacking is only one way to damage our infrastructure or our systems, but it requires a lot more expertise than just lobbying an EMP. It's pretty easy and pretty quick and dirty to do that. And you can take down an entire locale. That's the next generation of probably civilian and terrorist weaponry, I have to believe, you know, is the EMP weapons. Because, well, when I was looking to read that story to you, it was in our hosts were talking about it in our host chat this morning.

But I went to Drudge by accident because I didn't remember where I saw it. And one of the top stories in Drudge right now is drones to be introduced into Denver police to help respond to 911 calls after city defunded the force by millions. So, you know, the age of robot policing is here. And the way that you deal with robot police is just what you said. EMP weapons to some degree. Somebody's going to figure it out. Somebody's going to figure out how to deal with these electronic threats or electronic authority to some degree. It's going to happen.

That's right. Who knows? Who knows what that looks like people start lobbing emp devices or shooting jammers at at random stuff or what i don't know is a jammer is a jammer like an emp or is that that's a radio signal yeah well what you're talking about is so true it's you's the version of shooting a human with a gun in the tech age is shooting a device with an EMP or a disabling piece of technology. A jammer is not an EMP. An EMP is a massive amount of energy that essentially disables electronic by essentially frying the – Power surge, right?

The circuits. Yeah, it's a power surge, exactly. But a jammer does – can accomplish the purpose and they're – you can buy a really effective jammer for $20. They're illegal, of course, because they cause massive disruption. But a jammer just disrupts the frequencies. It, it, it, it puts so many, it puts so much, um, uh, junk into the frequencies that, that communication can't, effective communication can't, it scrambles the frequencies basically.

They're being used on home security systems now. Sure. Yeah. I mean, you know, a criminal can get one for $20. They're very readily available. So yeah, you're 100% right. regular basis but you guys do offer solutions you know there's no doubt about it you guys offer solutions from from key fob to uh good god i don't even know how big some of these units are that i'm looking at on your website but they look enormous this mission darkness um faraday tent looks huge i don't know if that's bigger than the car port or not. I mean, we've got – we sell tents and enclosures for airplanes, helicopters. It's basically – it's as big as you want. We don't yet have a helicopter enclosure on our website, but we sell for it. There's – you can put – we build as big as you need.

The stuff that – like you mentioned earlier, the tents, the vehicle tents, that's what's going to fit in someone's shed or barn or home. So there's a lot of that out there. But we make as big as you need. as big as you need. So if somebody wants, I guess the contact page is the way to go. If somebody's like, I need a custom sized thing and I'm not making it myself with fabric,

they would go to, go to sort of like a contact page. I see you've got a contact us page over here on your website. Yeah, sure. That's, that's one way. MLS equipment.com mission darkness. You can find our contact page. You can also pick up the phone and call us. We're available to help kind of guide in helping you spec out what you're trying to accomplish. Absolutely. So what's the differentiation between MO, Mountain Ocean Sky Equipment, and Mission Darkness?

Is one just like the parent company? Good question. Yeah. So at MOS Equipment, we have some other activity that's kind of government, military-oriented that's not directly Mission Darkness. Most of the products under that company are Mission Darkness brand. But we do get that question a lot. So most everything we offer is Mission Darkness brand. So essentially almost one and the same.

I got you. Well, many of us utilize this kind of technology already as preppers. Many of us utilize this kind of technology already as preppers, but I know people in my own personal life who are now carrying around EMF protection for their key fobs and things like that. I do think you guys are in an industry that's growing for sure. And we wish you all the best, man. So the best website is the mosequipment.com, right? That's correct. Yep, mosequipment.com, right? That's correct. Yep, mosequipment.com. That's going to be where – you can also go to missiondarkness.com, but mosequipment is the base website.

And that's Mike – sorry, Mike Oscar's Sierra equipment, in case it didn't come through there, but that's, uh, you can, you can find us there, contact us on the, on the page, uh, give us a call. Love to talk to you. Um, and appreciate being on the show here. Thanks a lot. Oh yeah, man. And send me a, um, email and I'll share it out with everybody when you guys get the DIY Costco bin Faraday cage DIY kit. I can't wait to see what you call it. Um, up and running because like I said, there's a, there's a lot of potential with the, the DIY fabrics and tapes and gaskets and patches that you guys offer. And, uh, I could see the pbn family getting into that stuff yeah absolutely we'll we'll send

that your way um we'll uh provide a discount code for your listeners so they can pick it up a look at a little bit of a discount from from what we have it online um hopefully that is a good kit we're we're putting out stuff this this is one where you know it's not this isn't uh this particular product's not a a big money maker for us that's what not what we're concerned with here that one's more like uh it's a community builder it helps us um reach into you know this this community gets us um into the conversations and understanding what else we need to build to, to help, uh, to help preppers and help get everybody, um, uh, protected from this kind of category of, uh, threat. So thanks. Yeah.

Thanks. Thanks for having me. I appreciate being able to talk about that. It's been a pleasure. Yeah, no problem, Ryan. Thanks for the input on a variety of things. And, uh, you know, thanks for being the guy who runs the show and makes these things available to people like us because uh i know i sure as hell wouldn't want to be figuring all

this stuff i'm unequipped for that but uh appreciate your time my man and uh feel free reach out and come back on whenever you want we we enjoy talking to you for sure all right you too jim thank you take care all right thank you for listening to the prepper broadcasting network where we promote self-reliance and independence tune in tomorrow for another great show and visit us at prepper