The Prepper Broadcasting Network - GoldBacks! Gold for the Everday!

Episode Date: January 24, 2026

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So that was the wrong intro, but that's okay. It still works. That's actually your exit. But hello, everybody. This is J. Ferg with Phoenix Survival. And today I have a very special guest with me, Mr. Matt Dill from Goldback. He is our Northwestern representative. And I have been holding on to your email for a while that I wanted to reach out back when I got your information early November. But with the holidays, it's been crazy. So if you don't mind, just tell a little bit about yourself. what it is you do, and then we'll kick off from there. Yeah, so I've been with goldback for about two years now. And so we're a small kind of agile lean team. We're entering our seventh year now. So we started back in 2019 with the Utah Goldback. And so for those of you who aren't aware, goldbacks are hyperfractional currency.

Currently, they're as small as one two thousandth of an ounce of 24-carad gold. So we're in eight states now, and we're trying to cover the entire nation. So within about 10 years, every state will have its own goldbacks series, you know, different denominations, different sizes. And what goldbacks do, you know, they're designed to actually be spent, right? And so many of you probably own, say, one ounce gold buffalo, say, or gold eagles. And so when you need to actually spend those, well, no one really taking a $4,700 gold coin right now. And so it's hard from a liquidity standpoint. What do you have to do?

You have to go to your local coin dealer. and you have to typically, if you need dollars, you know, whether it's for a life event, you know, your car breaks down, your mom's in the hospital, whatever that is, you have to convert it back into U.S. dollars. And usually out of small, you know, buy things at 3, 5% under the price of gold and silver. So then I can turn around and sell it for slightly more. But with goldbacks, we have a network of 3,700 merchants across the country. mom and pop businesses. So like here in Utah, I can go to Ace Hardware store and buy a lawnmower using gold, which is pretty cool. I pay my local farmer for ground beef, steaks, raw milk, eggs, all that good stuff. I can do that. I can even pay my kids dentist using Goldbacks. And so I know we'll talk about more of that later. But yeah, so I'm the goldback guy. I helped launch the Florida project, which came out in January last year. So I was living in Florida for a couple years. And then I had the great opportunity to move my family back to the mountains. And so, recently moved here and I'm taking over the Northwest region. I think that's phenomenal.

So here's the question though. If people have questions, more questions, besides which, hold on, let me put here, if you have any curiosity or want to look at it yourself, you can go back to the banner at the bottom for my visual watchers. And for the audio listeners, it is www.goldback.com. and it will actually show you the current value for the goldback, a little bit about it, where you can spend them at, because I see that gold back is expanding,

that you're not limited to the state that it's made in to spend it in, correct? Correct, yeah, they're all fungible. And so, you know, you're in North Carolina, obviously. North Carolina doesn't yet have a gold back. But there are a real. retailers take on Arizona and Oklahoma, right? And so they are fungible. We actually have, we have merchants as far away as to buy in Norway,

who are just, you know, obviously they're not transacting too often in goldbacks, but they're, you know, they want to be paid in gold. And so they've signed up. And I've seen where there are a few businesses here in North Carolina that do accept goldbacks. How does one go about accepting goldbacks? Like how does that work? Is this a program in which they sign up?

Or is this something that they decide independently? Yeah. So we try to make it really easy. So at goldback.com, there is an application. But it's a strictly voluntary currency, right? And so there are people who aren't on the map where if you take goldbacks, you know, down to the farmer's market and you say, hey, I've got this gold. Can I trade it for your eggs? They'll say yes.

But what? we like theoretically by being on the map gold back enthusiasts gold back investors and gold back users will find you on the map and then they'll come patronize your business and so you know there's a lot of businesses that they get new customers directly from our map and so we're really happy to pay that forward so that people can you know people who are sound money enthusiasts can find each other and work together so um i had a question from a listener who actually asked um since we've seen a lot of goldbacks appearing, especially on certain apps like Palm Street or whatnot, are you partnering with these apps?

So we're not partnered with any of the apps in particular, but what we do, so we're a wholesaler. So we sell to the coin dealers, right? So whether they have a brick and mortar store in your local town or whether they're a giant online dealer like Atmex or J.M. Bullion or SD Bullion, or, you know, we have quite a few of the whatnot and eBay Live customers as well. Yeah, because I noticed it's really picking up, especially in the collector's side of it, versus when I came across it, I was looking at it for, well, don't get me wrong, I love my silver and I love my gold, but it gets kind of heavy even in the fractionals versus, oh, yes, you froze, sorry.

Oh, you're back, you're back. Sorry, listeners. It's okay. We can repeat as many times as we need to, but for me, it's like, having the silver. It gets heavy. And this is a lot easier to carry around than ounces of silver grams that add up. Absolutely. And the other thing too, and I'm sure a lot of your listeners are aware of this, but right now, you can go buy bags of fake silver online at places like Timu. I know. And so unless you're walking around with a Sigma machine, you know, that costs, say, around $1,000 to verify your, you know, your silver transactions when you're transacting out in the community. It's hard to know if it's real, right? I mean, literally just yesterday,

one of my coworkers who should know better, he works in the bullying industry, he took some silver down to try to sell it, you know, silver's up around $95. She said, hey, I'm going to get some spending money. And unfortunately, you're cutting out again. Shop your, you know, goods and services, you run the risk with typical, you know, know, bollium products of taking in fake stuff, unless you have, you know, a machine to verify the authenticity of the product. With goldbacks, there are nine security features in there already, and we're constantly staying a step ahead of the counterfeiters. So. Why don't you speak a little bit on what are those measures to keep from counterfeiting?

Yeah. So like, so on the gold back, in her hand right there. So the spiral pattern, that runs north-south on the left side. That is a, it's called a Gioche pattern. And that is hand-drawn. It can't be replicated, you know, just by it by AI or anything. You can't go in and do that. So that's one security feature. They're all in it.

You cut out there each individually what now? True. In 2025, all the goldbacks created. they started having a Latisse checkerboard that has the Goldbeck logo, the denomination, and then the patented technology Arum logo as well. And so on the back of 2025, you have that blacklight security feature. And what's really cool is that now in 2026, it's hard to show on screen, I imagine, but it's on anything 2025 and newer has that on the back.

But now new to 2026, beginning with the Washington, D.C. limited gold deck that just came out two weeks ago, we started putting black light security on the front as well. And so to give you an idea, there's fireworks in the background. Oh, you keep breaking up. And so moving forward, we're going to be, oh, do I need to repeat anything then? maybe? No, so it's been cutting in and out. So if we have to recover something, we will. But no, yeah, it's cutting up and freezing every now and then. I'm sorry. Bad internet, I guess. I'll blame Utah internet. But, or this big glass building, I'm in. But no, so in 2026, we're bringing that security feature to the front and we're going to start doing what we like to call Easter eggs. So there's

going to be hidden black light stuff in the art that you won't be able to see it to the naked eye. But when you shine the black light on, there'll be hidden things. Like, so just to give you. That is phenomenal. So with Idaho, that's our next state to be released, right? That'll be coming. Oh, he tries. There's a girl skiing down a mountain.

Oh, so on the Idaho three, there's a girl skiing down the mountain. And then in the background, there's an empty chairlift kind of going over her head. When you shine the black light on it, there's going to be a black light Yetty, Bigfoot, sitting on the. That is phenomenal. Yeah. It's making it fun. Yeah, we have all sorts of great ideas for all the different, you know, for that front hidden security feature moving forward. I'm really excited about it.

I can't wait to see that because I don't have a three either. Well, the threes are limited. Yeah. I know, I know. And that would be one of those just to keep up because it's cool. Absolutely. So since the price of precious metals has been fluctuating so greatly, how can a set price, like, be established? Or only if this is being used.

as like currency for businesses. Like how is that established? How is the because of the fluctuate? How is the set price being established for it? Yeah. So these things, they do carry a premium. So they basically trade at two times the spot price of gold, right? So one gold back has one one thousandth of an ounce of 24-kart gold in it.

So at today's price, that would be around 40. $4.80 worth of gold call it. And then so if you look on our website, you know, at goldback dot com. It's like nine. It's nine seventy six, I think, which is basically two X of the, you know, spot price of gold. And so what our merchants do is they either use the calculator that's right there at goldback.com or they'll use the app because we actually developed an app last year as Yeah, I actually have the gold backup. And so $19.50. And then it tells me I owe you $9.52 in U.S. dollar fee out

in U.S. dollar fiat currency for change. And so it's real easy. These things, again, that's one of the nice benefits of these. So I don't carry cash in my wallet at all because cash, the values, is constantly plummeting as our country. continues to spend into oblivion. But goldbacks that I put in my wallet last summer, I purchased them for about $4.25. So two summers ago, rather, $4.25. Now they're spending at $9.76. I mean, all I did was drive around on these things and let the, you know, the value of the gold go up.

And so now, yeah, I mean, like I said, I love to use the ACE hardware example because I have three ACE hardware down the street here in Utah County, where I can actually go, you know, buy a snowblower. to go buy a snow shovel this week. We just moved into a new house after being in Florida, right? So I need to get a snow shovel. We got our Christmas tree stand a couple, you know, last month. We got extension cords for our Christmas lights. I mean, we're able to actually spend these things, and so it's just really nice.

No, I think that's phenomenal. Now, someone did ask, is this product, can this be used to diversify, like, an investment portfolio to, like, store up and stock up in its own? Oh, we froze. In 2019, we have actually, the value of the goldback has tracked and mirrored the appreciation in gold price as well. And so, you know, if you're anybody who's stacking in metals, I believe personally, not just because I'm biased in the work of goldback, you should have some allocation to hyperfractional gold and silver so that you have something to barter with if, God forbid, something happens. the Chinese EMP goes off, whatever, the banking system crashes. If I want to buy bread or eggs from my neighbor in a prolonged, you know, the powers down,

hyperfractional gold, our half gold back right now is going to be, you know, less than $5 in terms of value. And so having a stack of those as part of my larger metal stack, it gives me a lot of flexibility and possibilities. Right. So I want to point out to our listeners, because I talk about gold and silver quite a bit. it. On the gold backs, it does say, so it has the denomination of one half, but at the bottom, it will also tell you one, two thousandths, and so on and so forth. As it goes up, the dollar size itself goes up, and then you will see it's one, one hundred. So the amount of gold increases per size, per numerical bill, as well as the bills themselves get bigger, too, because the

hundred's quite a bit bigger. The hundreds probably about the size of this one that I have here, isn't it? It's about that size. But it's got a lot more gold than that Merry Christmas. Right, right, right. Because this is only 100 milligrams of 24 karat, which is, I'm not sure what that breaks down to right now. It's like 13 bucks worth of gold, I think. Maybe maybe close to the 15, actually. Price is just mooning right now. But yeah. Right. I think a grams around 150 bucks. And so if that's one it's one-tenth of the gram right so i believe that's about 15 dollars worth of gold so if someone is interested in buying goldbacks where do they go can they buy directly or do they have to go through a specific dealer or seller or how how does one go about obtaining goldbacks that is a

fantastic question so we have about 500 customers right now um constantly growing that's you know that that's what i that's what i put me and my All I got was 500 customers and you froze again. Oh, sorry. No, we have about 500 customers. And so at Goldback.com, you can find a list of all the online dealers where you can purchase, as well as the local dealers as well. So me personally, I like to patronize my local businesses as much as possible,

get to know my neighbors. And so if you can, obviously, and you have a local dealer near you that sells them, you know, there's a list. You can type in your zip code or your city. and find the closest dealer to you. But, yeah, all the larger Boolean dealers like Appmex and SD Bullion, J.M. Bullion, Money Metals, those are all customers of ours as well. So the Goldbacks are getting easier and easier to find.

Which is funny is they're not very common to see here. And I'm trying to push more and more. My listeners want to know more about it. I even had one of the other host had to ask, let me find it. So, y'all, as long as a business is partnered or applied with you, like ACE, mainstream vendors are accepting them as payments, correct? As long as they've already signed up. Yes.

And so, you know, I've got to be clear. So ACE hardware is a franchise business. And so, you know, the guy that owns. It's location specific. Yes. Yes. Exactly. So, you know, it's not every single ACE.

It's hard. It's cool. There's so many of these business owners, they don't even know it's an option yet. But when you talk to them, they get really excited because they say, and I quote, I'd love to be paid in golden silver. And so, you know, if you frequent a business in your area and you think and you know that the owner is a sound money enthusiast like you, then you know, you can definitely ask him and say, hey, you can sign up right here and then I can start paying you in goldbacks.

So what are the long term plans with this product? Yeah, great question. I mean, right now we're, like I mentioned earlier, we're trying to make sure that all 50 states have a gold back series of their own. And so expect to have that. We're actually in talks right now with a gentleman in a foreign country. I won't say which, but we're going to have our first international go back likely soon as well. And so, of course, that just adds a little wrinkle because then we'll have to have, you know, within our app and on our calculator, we'll have a, you know, another currency that we'll have to, you know, add in there.

But that's easily fixable, right? And so, yeah, I mean, going international, bringing these to as many people as possible, while also having fun. with it, you know, like I said, with the Easter egg security features. We really just want, so right now, you know, we have 3,700 roughly merchants that are signed up to accept them. Now, it took us five, the first five years as a company to get up to about 2000, right? And so now we're adding at about a 250 business per month clip. And so I fully expect that we'll double and be at 7,500, you know, in, in, in, wow.

70 and 500. And then, you know, that'll be something to celebrate once we have 10,000 businesses. And yeah, so 10,000 will definitely be something to celebrate. I want to get there. And I expect to be there in at most a year and a half, right? COVID was transformational, you know, for us, like I'm sure it was for so many of you, right? I mean, more and more people that, you know, weren't paying attention to economics at all. They kind of started to realize that the dollar was burning a hole in their pocket.

They woke up to the inflation story and they haven't forgotten. And the problem hasn't been solved either. And so, you know, now gold, you know, sadly, last I saw, the last numbers I looked at, and it could be outdated because this was a few months ago, less than 3% of Americans actually owned any physical precious metals whatsoever, right? Yeah, I saw some analytics on that statement that I was supposed to find the article. a friend had sent it to me, where they were saying if you had 20 grams or 20 ounces of silver and 5 grams of gold, you were sitting at a higher amount than any houses, especially if the economy was to crash,

or 10 ounces of gold, silver, I mean. Oh, let's see. I lost you a little bit there, but yeah. Yeah, sorry. The average person. Yeah, the analytics was saying like 10 ounces of silver and 5 grams of gold per household. Well, if you have that, then you will be sitting pretty once the dollar fully collapses. And many people don't have five grams of gold or 20 ounces of silver.

Yeah, absolutely. 97, 98% of people don't have any, right? And so that's really the direction. We're trying to, you know, for lack of a better word, democratize gold ownership, right? Like just because, you know, you're starting out, you're young. Maybe you make $9 an hour. You work at Wendy's, the night shift, whatever that looks like. for you, you should still own some gold. And so with our half gold back, now you can own gold

at less than, you know, get into it for less than $5. And this doesn't lose value because it is real gold in there. It's gold in a polymer makeup, correct? Correct. Yeah. So there's three ingredients. There's patented polymer. There's ink for the design and there's 24-carat gold. And that's just very simple. I wanted to point out to my listeners, for those of you who get into the gold foils who have the pieces of gold. Hold on. I'm making a mess over here. Sorry. For the listeners who collect gold or the gold foils, this is one one thousandths, which is equivalent to a individual gold back. And you're going to spend twice as much, and it's going to build up and take up space versus the value on this is going to hold,

and you can retain it a lot easier and store it versus the foils. Yeah. And when the time comes, you've got all these off ramps to spend it as well. And so that's the true advantage. So, yeah, that's our... And it says it clearly on there versus having to pull up a microscope for the 1-200 little pieces of gold that are impossible to reach. Yeah.

I think I know you know which ones I'm talking about, right? I sure do. Yeah. When I think one two hundredth, I think of the sugar schools. That's one of the big ones. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

One two hundred sugar school. And I don't get me wrong. I like those. Those are cool. But I can't spend those. No, no. I mean, and and when you think about it, having gold or having silver and having to scrape off amounts, you're going to lose most of it in trying to make a fractional.

And this way you have your own spendable fractional without carrying around a bar. Yeah. Well, I carry around both truthfully. So I have my wallet here, right? And so I've got my goldbacks in there. And then I also do have some, you know, I have my servers. I keep a little a say in there. So this is, you know, what is this? A quarter. One quarter grain. It's a quarter grain, right? Made by a spring down in Florida. So Dave of Tres. But I get it. I have my quarter grains. I have my half ounce. I have my full, I mean, half gram and full gram. And I don't think people realize just in a quarter grain as much as you're spending versus getting your one two thousands, one one thousandths. And investment wise, yes, that's great to have, but this is a lot easier to accumulate than. And to verify, right? Yeah. And the thing is, yeah, so the quarter grain has about, it's very, very equivalent to what we have in our one half gold back, which is, you know, the one two thousandth of an ounce. they're pretty similar, but the premium is actually much larger on the quarter grains. And so a lot of people give gold back a hard time for being a quote unquote high premium product. But then they'll buy these quarter.

It cut out just a little bit. Sorry. We won't blame Utah. Yeah, let's do it. So what actually started Goldbacks? Like, why did it come about? What made Goldbacks happen? Yeah.

Well, so our CEO, Jeremy Gordon, you know, I don't want to put words in his mouth, but I think he just saw a need. He saw, you know, I think he was participating kind of in some of the different alternative currencies and cryptocurrencies. And then he saw a need to bring. you know, that he saw that people wanted something different, something outside the dollar. And I think he really split the middle between cryptocurrencies, which are, you know, kind of backed by nothing just like dollars. It's just ones and zeros, right? And he said, okay, what if we can

actually make, you know, we can return to basic principles of sound money through precious metals, but make it more manageable, you know, more attainable, more usable. And so I think that was the nexus of gold bag. No, I think that's phenomenal. I need to also get one of those wallets. Yeah, yeah. Tons of our customers have them. I'll try to lose one off the back of a truck and mail it to you.

I appreciate that. But so I did notice on one of the shows I was watching where you were speaking in, you know, we keep these as flat and safe as possible. What happens if one gets torn or ripped or crumpled? Because doesn't that change the integrity of the entire goldback itself? Sorry, you cut out a little bit there. And so, yeah, that's a fantastic question. Yeah, it does it change the integrity or the value because they've gotten torn or crumpled?

Yeah, no, so it truly doesn't, right? As long as all of the gold content is still there, most retailers or excuse me, merchants are going to accept that still. But part of what's built into our premium is that warranty. And so what you can do is you can go to any one of our customers, what we call our, are authorized partners and you can trade it if you have a damaged one and if they deem that the gold is all there, they will accept that and give you a brand new one at whatever same face value. So if you take a damaged, wrinkled, you know, kind of dirty, you know, the corners sometimes can can be the first things to go. You can take that back to your local coin dealer who's a goldback

dealer and he'll give you, you know, an equivalent one that's brand new. He'll ship that back to us. We'll melt it down and turn it into new goldbacks. So what's a little bit of the process that takes to actually make the gold back, though? Because, you know, it seems like the others are just melted and pressed or stamped. But what all goes into actually doing this? Yeah, it's kind of neat. So it's a process called vacuum deposition. So we've got a, you know, it's a highly patented process, you know, very secret.

But ultimately what happens is we have a chamber that's, you know, cleaner than outer space. the gold is heated up the plastic, the polymer sheet, the ink goes on, and then after the ink goes on, the gold atoms are shot atom by atom in a very thin layer. And then once that process is done, another layer of the patented polymer sheet goes on top. So it's cut out when you were saying it's heated up to what temperature? Oh, I don't know the temperature, but it's, I mean, it's. I thought you said it's heated up. It's a ball.

It's heated up into a ball of plasma of like gold plasma. And then the electrons are actually shot one of the time. Wow. And don't you have to have special filters? Because doesn't this become like particulates and can float? Can't you lose gold when you're processing it through? Do you have to filter it so you don't lose particles? Well, the whole thing is in a closed chamber system.

So that we don't lose any of the gold while we're creating it. Yeah. Great question. I can only imagine. Sorry. There hits a point where I like the whole chemical. Really neat question. Now, so one of my other host had asked, would you ever be open to come in a prepper camp currency? So if you don't know what prepper camp is, preper camp happens every year for the last, I want to say, 12, 13 years now where people come together to an event and we teach, I teach textiles. I'm the crazy fiber lady, so I spin wool. And we have.

three days of 64 classes, so multiple classes every hour throughout the entire day. And it's just a community of preppers who come together. And, you know, we do a lot of butter and trade, but would that be something you ever be open to become a prepper camp currency for the preppers themselves? You say so create a specific prepper camp, their own artwork and design? You know, that's a great idea. I never thought about that. but actually being like the currency that's then used among at like PreperCamp.

Gotcha. Well, yeah. I may have to talk to you about that. That one would be more difficult because, you know, we have to, you'd have to, you know, I think our smallest lot would be like 32,000 notes or something, right? And that's just, that's a guess and an estimate. But if, yeah, we would love to actually, you know, and what we'll have to do is send, whether it's myself, you know, we have a representative down in Atlanta.

We need to have one of us come out to the next event. And then essentially, again, it's totally involved. Oh, they cut out. You said come down and what? Free gold and silver for signing up, which is a nice perk, right? So we'd love to be the official currency. A little bit. Sorry.

Jeez, Louise. No, no, no. I caught that you could come out and then it cut out and then free currency. Free gold and silver is a lot. Oh, yeah. No, I was trying to get across that. We would love to be the official currency for everybody. But since it's voluntary, that just involves everybody, you know, signing up.

And, yeah, we'll definitely make a note to have some. Would that be something that maybe eventually we could see about PBN pairing up with you to be able to make it more accessible for our viewers and listeners to be able to obtain goldbacks? Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. You just got to let me know what directions are on with it. You know, we have in-house. We have Phil, who oversees our murals. our merchant network.

And so, you know, he could come out and talk to all the different, you know, maybe he runs one, maybe he does a class on goldbacks. And so for all the business owners so that they're, you know, able to learn more about it and how it works. And so that they can get really comfortable saying, yes, I'll take this at my business. Yeah, there's a number of ways we can do it. I know, I know a big one is my listeners have heard me talk about it, but their main thing is trying to be able to get it.

And I was like if we could eventually, I'd like it where we can offer the, listeners to be able to purchase goldback so then it makes it accessible to get it in hand because not everyone has the accessibility or the providers within range like i live in the middle of nowhere you lost that um yeah so i heard most of that um yeah we can definitely discuss you know you guys coming on to be able to be able to offer it to your listeners so they don't have to go to somebody else they know that they can trust you and buy direct from you. Right. Well, and it makes it easy also because we are actually, we're global.

We have listeners from the UK. We have listeners from South Africa, from Africa. I mean, we have listeners who chime in from everywhere, Saudi Arabia, Belgium. Our numbers will show you that sometime. It's amazing. The listeners, we even have some Canadian host. And so it's to be able to get the word out to show people might be the past one, to get people to realize and invest in in your future is not only good for yourself,

but your family, and then be able to show that it is obtainable to get your hands on gold and silver without break in the bank because an ounce of silver is ridiculous right now, let alone an ounce of gold is unobtainable. Yeah, people are starting to call silver unobtainium, right, as the price starts to go up and up and up and gold is even more so. The ASEs are going for 173. So that was for specific proofcorns, right?

So I think if you were to get a- Right, right. That's for the 2024. But I'm still seeing the ASEs go for around 110 on average, even for non-special dates. Exactly. Yeah. I mean, and that's, I think spot silver is going to be over $100 by next week. I don't think that's crazy at all.

I was 95. I think we're at 96 now. Let me report up. Always on KitCo. So for my listeners, go to KitCo.com, KITCO. That's going to be your most accurate read-in for me. I feel like they're the one site that doesn't inflate the price like certain other. Not that I'm hating on the other silver sellers, but the inflation on some of them is a little gross.

So it's $96. And $33 per ask price for silver. And then $4,912. And 80 cents per ounce for gold. Wow. Yeah. It's just going to keep climbing. I think we've kind of hit our new normal, kind of like post-COVID. We don't go back to 24-hour stores. Yeah. I mean, I think, you know, someone was asking me this morning what I see on the horizon for gold and silver. And I'm just a guy. I don't have a crystal ball. I think $5,500 gold is a layup this year. I think $120 silver, also a layup. And then by 2030, I expect $16,000 gold.

I don't even know what that would be in silver. But I just, you know, people think I'm a lunatic with a tinfoil hat when I say $16,000 gold. But I don't, no, no, we actually even have a tinfoil hat competition at Perper can't. Of course. Like, you know, people think we're crazy. We might as well have fun with it. Yeah, yeah. So just to run through, because I know it cut out a few times when we were asking.

Long term has tried to make this a world currency. for everybody and trying to get as many businesses to accept this. So then understanding that gold is going to be a back of itself, because as we know, the U.S. dollar or dollar in general is on a constant and current decline. I don't see that improving unless we go back to the gold standard. And this is our personal way of having our own gold standard, literally. Let's see. Absolutely world.

Try to deal with dollars and banks as little as possible. Set yourself free of the system that's trying to keep us in chains. That's like cash is king, and now goldbacks are the emperors. But goldbacks are accepted anywhere that has been either small business, correct individually, or who has signed up with you on your website, which it's going to be listed. And you're not limited to the state that it was created in. And how many states created goldbacks so far?

So far, we're in eight. And then in either February or March, we'll have Idaho, which will be number nine. And what are the states that we currently have? Yeah. So in order, we did Utah, Nevada, New Hampshire, Wyoming, South Dakota, California, California, and then we're going to do. California mini series and then we're going to do Colorado later this year as well. Okay. So with Dallas, are we going to see our Texas, sorry, with Texas, are we going to see more than just the Dallas or was that eventually? Yes, but so not in 2026, but Texas is definitely kind of like the great white whale for us. So we're we need to get into Texas.

I'm from Texas originally. My wife and I both. So it's definitely something that I'm bugging my boss is about to make sure that we get the Texas goldback rolled out in due time. So what about DC? I know you had the one limited. Is that all DC is going to ever produce? Is that one collector's item? Yes, ma'am. Yes. So we did 250,000 DC goldbacks for America's 250th birthday. So it was just a one-off collector's item. So definitely if you like to collect, go get one of those because once they're gone, they're gone. We've already sold out of all of them. So now we don't even have more to sell to our own customers.

So, yeah, get them while they're hot. We sold out of those within about a week of release. Yeah, I was going to say from my understanding, they sold pretty quick now. How long before we see some of the other states like North Carolina or the lower southern states? Sorry, you were frozen? So how long before we see some of the other states like North Carolina, or, you know, Georgia or the rest of our states down here in the second. Yeah.

No, I love this question. It's one of my favorites because it's really up to you and your listeners. And by that, I mean, Goldbeck goes into the states where the merchant network is becoming most active, right? So if you're in North Carolina and you want to see a North Carolina goldback, sign up your business, tell your friends, tell your family, tell people at church, right? just the more businesses in, for example, North Carolina that sign up to accept goldbacks, well, then we go to those states faster. So we track all of that data on a per capita basis and we say, okay, what state, you know, is really getting excited about this?

And Idaho and Colorado are kind of top of the list, which is why we're going there this year, right? Right. Yeah. So we will go. We are eventually going to be everywhere, but we're going to go to the places that are basically begging us to come by getting active and starting to utilize these. the way they were designed as an actual sound money currency.

Now, let me clarify, though, because it, the, we are using that as legal currency between trade and in its own for businesses, but it's not actually recognized as a legal currency through the states, correct? You froze. Sorry, so the gold backs themselves. We see them as currency. Yeah, no, no, you're good. We see it as a currency for businesses and transactional on our end, but it's not being recognized yet as a legal currency per state, correct?

So in either three or four states, it is recognized. So like Missouri passed a really great sound money bill last year. Take a look at it. It's actually really exciting. It should be the blueprint in our estimation. It's basically the best sound money bill, not just in the United States, but it's. in the whole world. So it has to do with, you know, gold and silver as money.

Be able to spend your, you know, your taxes on, pay your taxes in golden silver. Now, hopefully more states will then pick up and actually they think. Oh, sorry,

yeah. I was going to say hopefully more states will then pass those similar bills because I think Florida is in the process. Yeah. So Florida is moving. in the right direction. But one thing that they did by my read of the Florida bill was that it only pertained to like national minted gold, right? So like if it comes from the U.S. mint or the Royal Canadian Mint or the Perth Mint. Which the U.S. mint is on a temporary hold. So.

Yeah. But so like those sugar skulls, Florida bill doesn't recognize that sugar skull, you know, as real gold, at least for their purposes, right? And so. Really? Absolutely. Even though it's real gold. I know, right? But it's for them that, yeah, they just kind of made it to be a little bit more restrictive, right? As opposed to Missouri, which was kind of wide open, Wild West, the way it should, the way that I believe it should be. Would you think that limitation there is only to limit the counterfeits?

Because I've noticed like certain, I'm seeing more counterfeits of not only the silver, but some of the gold and assays from TEMU. So I'm seeing a lot of more counterfeits in that area. Let's see. Yeah, I think that that's actually a very astute observation. But the thing is, you could, again, I've never tried to counterfeit before. I'm not that guy. But I would think that you could counterfeit an ASE just as easily as, you know, some generic round. Yeah, I've gone as far as to after seeing people get their counterfeit silver,

I keep a magnet and check everything with a magnet first before actually test in anything. Nice. That's usually your dad giveaway, especially with Timu. A lot of them are just aluminum and will just immediately. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm sure your listeners know this. They're more savvy than the average bunch.

But I would never, you know, if you go on eBay or Craigslist or Timu, I just wouldn't go on Timu to buy precious metals, first of all. But even on eBay, if someone has less than like 10,000 sales and their, you know, super Yeah. If the sales are not enough where the reviews aren't enough, it's usually a risky business. Same with Etsy. Don't buy off of Etsy for silver. No way. No.

If it's not a reputable dealer, but people also need to keep in mind if you are collecting or selling, And you go to the coin shop, they're not going to see this at the same value as gold back itself because aren't they going to see this as just the value of what the melt is right now, correct? Depends. So our customers, right, so they will typically buy them back at much, much, much higher than milk. Yeah. Because they know that they can turn around and sell it at double milk, right? So they'll give you a much more fair price if you were to turn that back in to them. from what I've seen there's a company called alpine gold that's based in Utah to my knowledge they offer the best buyback for goldbacks so if you are ever in a position where you want to turn them into USDA you don't want to go spend them out for dinner you don't want to pay your plumber me I can actually create that in a banner

you said alpine gold. Alpine gold, yep, that's going to, again. And maybe your local coin dealer will offer similar. Maybe they'll match alpine gold once they hear what alpine gold's paying. But I just know that alpine gold on a typical day is offering the highest buyback, you know, price. Is that right? What's that? Is that right?

Oh, yeah, on the banner there. Yep, Alpine gold. Yeah. to sell if you're in that crunch, then there you go versus going somewhere else and potentially losing out on a premium of your own investment. And I do agree because it did cut out earlier that you said this is a product that can be used to diversify an investment portfolio. Is this something where people are looking at as far as supporting you in stocks or just in the gold backs themselves? Oh, just in the gold backs themselves. So we're still a private company. We're not.

we have no plans of going public. But three or five million dollars worth of precious metals, I would absolutely have one percent of that be in something like goldbacks. I'd have $30,000 and spendable, you know, gold. Because then, again, if stuff hits the fan, God forbid, I have money to essentially not just, you know, barter with my community, but also kind of become the local bank at that point by having the hyperfractional currency. And so, yeah, I would always recommend, you know, if you're a whale and you've got, you know,

millions of dollars in metals to allocate one to five percent into something like goldbex. No, I think that's great. And I appreciate you because that was my biggest thing is I can tell people about goldbecks all day long, but without having the man himself who deals with him on the daily, really to express. And to show what the company is about, it's hard to sell it because I can tell you all day long how awesome these are. But until people hear it from the cells, I'm just going to be beaten a dead horse. Sure, sure. Well, you know, again, I mentioned it earlier.

And I was. Oh, it cut out. It cut out. You mentioned earlier what? Sorry. Which I know. Oh, should I start over on that on that? I'm sorry.

it out it's okay it's okay no i just wanted to tell your listeners that again you know it's totally free to sign up and just for doing so you will receive well one will put you on the map so hopefully send some new customers your way two you will receive a collectible graded silverback in the mail for signing up and then when we come to your state so say you know you're in north carolina or kentucky where there's not a gold back yet we put you on a list so that when we come to your state and come up with your state's, you know, artwork, Goldback series, you will get a limited edition graded three denominations for that, for that state as well. So I do want to ask this is how do you go about finding or having the designs created for each of these states?

Yeah, that's a fun question. So what we do is we create a team of, you know, locals in that state, people who have deep roots, people whose families have been there for generations. And we, We do a deep dive as well. So Jeremy Corden's wife, Emily, so our CEO and founder's wife, she works kind of with that team to bring that to life on the whole deck. So y'all have artists to draw it specifically because I have like one of Wyoming's ones and it has, you know, the Native American.

and I have a Utah, I have an Arizona. And for those of you who don't understand, like, go onto that website. For my non-view and listeners, like, these are gorgeous. Thank you. They're just pretty on their own. Well, the technology is, you know, starting with Florida in 2025, the technology has improved and the artwork has improved to a point where actually we're going to be going back to the first five states we did and redoing them to bring the artwork level

up as well as fill in the new denominations that didn't used to exist. So the half, the two, and the hundred weren't part of the first five states. And so we're going to, yeah, we're going to bring those to life again. So starting with Utah later this year. Now you mentioned if someone signs their business up, they get a silver back. Do you also, do you, does the company also? Like, you know, like she said, the artwork is, let's, let's, you're going to edit this, right? Let's that over because you cut out no it's okay go ahead no no sorry i didn't realize i had stopped and it frozen away i thought you were done to no it's totally okay so what were you asking so you had mentioned to people about signing up their businesses and they get a free silver back does goldbacks also

produce the silverbacks as well we do yeah and so those are just a collectible right so there's not very much precious metal content in them um so they're not meant to be you know they're not designs to be spent or use as currency. You know, in 2022, we made 100,000 of the silver dragons, and those are really popular. People love those. And so two weeks ago, we released, we're doing the Greek pantheon of gods. And so we're going to do five different Greek gods. And so we started.

Yeah, we made 50,000 Hades. And we sold out of those in like 48 hours. People love them. And so, again, totally different. And we've got. Yeah, it does it every often. I will have to get you on some Starlink. That's what we operate here.

Oh, yeah, and it's running. That's great to hear. But I have no cell reception here. Not so whatsoever. I wouldn't be able to, but I can stream all day long with Starlink. Wow. And no issues and multiple devices. Yeah, so I mean, normally I'm hardwired in and my internet's great,

but I didn't want to, I wanted to be more private here in this room. And so, yeah, I guess this room's not, doesn't have great in. internet. So next time I come on, we'll do something. Yes, I was going to say, I have to have you back on because I'd love to talk about. And for the listeners, when we're mentioning silverbacks, there are a lot of silverbacks out there that are just as pretty. And people are paying twice as much for them. But like you mentioned, you're not going to have the same quantity of silver in them than if you're buying grams or five grams or one grams or a half ounce or quarter ounce or your fractionals. It's not going to

retain at the same value as your goldbacks because those fractionals are going to have a much higher value just because of the market and for the type of metal it is. If you're going to collect silver, I am a fan of keeping your bullions, your coins, and your raw as well as junk silver. That's just me. It's not a beautiful. I think junk silver right. Oh, what about junk silver? No, I 100% agree. Oh, as you say, I think junk silver right now provides some of the best value. If you go back to like 2021, junk silver started out with a very low premium. It was the cheapest silver. And then I think by 2022, it flip-flopped and people were actually wanting junk silver. They were paying a higher premium. So if I was stacking silver right now,

personally, I'd be buying nothing but junk silver and just waiting for those premiums to reverse. I see where silver dimes are going for $5 a dime that people were paying quite. a bit, which is funny because depending on which coin shop I go to, I took a silver diamond just to see. And they were like, oh, I'll give you $1.25 for it. I'm like, yeah, no, I'm just going to hold on to it. We'll see. You lost some of that. Hey, I lost you on that. I lost you on that. But you said if a silver dime is trading at $5, that's 50 times face. That sounds like a steel. I thought it was closer to 60 times face right now. But I had, I took. took that same dime to a coin shop. That's, you know, silver dimes are 90% silver. And they were like,

I'll give you $1.25 for it. It's like, I'll just sit on it. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's, that guy's trying to rob you. I'd never go there again. Exactly. I am sitting on my mark dimes, my silver dimes, silver quarters, war nickels, which war nickels have much less value of silver in it. But silver is silver in any tight situation, silver is silver. So. Yeah. Well, I think. I mean, the way we're going with it, you know, with silver's critical mineral status, I mean, they might try to run the same playbook where they just, they come out and tell us that we have to give, return in all our silver someday. Oops.

I had a boat an accident like I did with my guns. So I'm not sure if we can get ready to have that boating. Yeah, that's what I was saying is. I had a boat and accident. I lost everything in the boat and accident. So yeah. It's all gone. Sorry feds. Get off my lawn. Yeah, which there was, which nation was it that did that where you had to turn in your silver? There was a nation. There was a nation. United States did it with gold. Yeah, they did it with gold. And then there was another nation that also did it with precious metals too.

And so it was not the first time that it's happened in history. And you're right. it wouldn't surprise me to see it again because silver is needed in the medical field, in chips and hardware as well as gold is too, how much gold is used in different things and platinum is used in catalytic converter, or is it platinum or palladium in catalytic converters? Yeah. Yeah. And that's a, man, that's a whole different rabbit hole.

But I definitely keep in my eye. I on platinum right now because it's trading at about cost more than gold. It is. I can repeat that. You said platinum to watch on platinum because it's trading higher than gold, correct? No, right now it's about half the value of gold. And for the last 80 years, most of the last 80 years, platinum was at a premium to gold. And I do see that coming back.

And so I think right now buying platinum, just waiting until, you know, because if gold's going to be 55, Well, eventually platinum is going to be 6K. And today it's like 2,500 something. It's a 2,600. 2,609. Jeez. Yeah, it was like 2,500 this morning. So things are moving fast.

Back when I got my gram of platinum, I think you're right. It was around the time. It was the same value as gold itself. Or if not higher, it was closer to a much higher premium in cost. Yeah. The hardest thing with physical platinum is just not. mixing it up with your silver and accidentally you know don't sell your I have mine in my assay and so I keep the assay card in with my gold so I can't

confuse my my platinum for my gold actually you think I have it here yeah you're back repeat that you said you have yours in an essay I have it yes so I actually keep it in with my gold so I don't ever get it mixed up with my my silver. So it's kept in with my small denominations of gold. That's really smart. Yeah, because I've heard stories of people accidentally selling platinum as silver without even knowing it. I would cry. I would cry. Just break down and cry. But no, I appreciate you coming on. I would love to have you on again anytime. And real quick for my listeners, up top is a QR code. And remember now this is our new.

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