The Prepper Broadcasting Network - Herbal Medicine for Preppers: Medicinal Trees, Catalpa and Hackberry

Episode Date: March 21, 2024

Today, I tell you about Catalpa and Hackberry, which are fairly common trees that are medicinally useful.  I also discuss "guerilla gardening."Would you like to join me for a plant walk in Pinehurst, NC this spring? If so, email me at [e-mail] for info.The Spring Foraging Cook Book is available in paperback on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CRP63R54Or you can buy the eBook as a .pdf directly from the author (me), for $9.99:https://southernappalachianherbs.blogspot.com/2024/01/the-spring-foraging-cookbook.htmlYou can read about the Medicinal Trees book here https://southernappalachianherbs.blogspot.com/2021/06/paypal-safer-easier-way-to-pay-online.html or buy it on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1005082936PS. New in the woodcraft Shop: Judson Carroll Woodcraft | SubstackRead about my new books:Medicinal Weeds and Grasses of the American Southeast, an Herbalist's Guidehttps://southernappalachianherbs.blogspot.com/2023/05/medicinal-weeds-and-grasses-of-american.htmlAvailable in paperback on Amazon:https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0C47LHTTHandConfirmation, an Autobiography of Faithhttps://southernappalachianherbs.blogspot.com/2023/05/confirmation-autobiography-of-faith.htmlAvailable in paperback on Amazon:https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0C47Q1JNKVisit my Substack and sign up for my free newsletter: https://judsoncarroll.substack.com/Read about my new other books:Medicinal Ferns and Fern Allies, an Herbalist's Guide https://southernappalachianherbs.blogspot.com/2022/11/medicinal-ferns-and-fern-allies.htmlAvailable for purchase on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BMSZSJPSThe Omnivore’s Guide to Home Cooking for Preppers, Homesteaders, Permaculture People and Everyone Else: https://southernappalachianherbs.blogspot.com/2022/10/the-omnivores-guide-to-home-cooking-for.htmlAvailable for purchase on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BGKX37Q2Medicinal Shrubs and Woody Vines of The American Southeast an Herbalist's Guidehttps://southernappalachianherbs.blogspot.com/2022/06/medicinal-shrubs-and-woody-vines-of.htmlAvailable for purchase on Amazon https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0B2T4Y5L6andGrowing Your Survival Herb Garden for Preppers, Homesteaders and Everyone Elsehttps://southernappalachianherbs.blogspot.com/2022/04/growing-your-survival-herb-garden-for.htmlhttps://www.amazon.com/dp/B09X4LYV9RThe Encyclopedia of Medicinal Bitter Herbs: https://southernappalachianherbs.blogspot.com/2022/03/the-encyclopedia-of-bitter-medicina.htmlAvailable for purchase on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0B5MYJ35RandChristian Medicine, History and Practice: https://southernappalachianherbs.blogspot.com/2022/01/christian-herbal-medicine-history-and.htmlAvailable for purchase on Amazon: www.amazon.com/dp/B09P7RNCTBHerbal Medicine for Preppers, Homesteaders and Permaculture People: https://southernappalachianherbs.blogspot.com/2021/10/herbal-medicine-for-preppers.htmlAlso available on Amazon: www.amazon.com/dp/B09HMWXL25Podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/show/southern-appalachian-herbsBlog: https://southernappalachianherbs.blogspot.com/Free Video Lessons: https://rumble.com/c/c-618325

Hey y'all, welcome to this week's show. Today we're going to talk about a couple of fairly common trees. They don't have a long entry, not a lot of history of documented medicinal use, but they're good to know. And so I think I can get two into one show. It'll be Catalpa and Hackberry. If you wonder why those come together, it's hackberry's latin name is kiltus katapa as far as i know is just called katapa there are two that grow in my region and one is called katapa bignoi big non iodes so i'm not even going to try to call it by that name. I'll just call it Catawba. And the other is Catawba speciosa.

That does actually appear here in the Appalachians. But it will be more common to you in the north. But speaking of the Appalachians, I'm not there right now. I'm visiting family in the Sandhills and although I will go home several times between now and you know Easter I'm going to be in the Sandhills in Moore County Pinehurst for about a month and I usually do spend a couple months at least each year down here helping out with family, doing a lot of yard work, doing a lot of stuff. It's really a unique area here in the Sandhills.

Now, you probably just know all about Pinehurst for golf. It's the home of golf in America. It's what it's known for. You may know Moore County for its pottery, Jugtown and Seagrove. Maybe you've been to Southern Pines a time or two. It's a unique environment. I mean, like in Pinehurst, I'm like one of the few Southerners I ever encounter. You know, it's mainly retirees from up north who want to play golf.

That said, great area for harvesting medicinal herbs. And because Central North Carolina, uh, a lot of folks can drive here from all over within, you know, no more than an hour or two. You can come here from Charlotte, Raleigh, Fayetteville, shoot, well, maybe about what, two and a half hours from Wilmington, I guess, uh, maybe a little longer actually from Wilmington, uh, but from Columbia, South Carolina would only be like two hours. Uh, and like two hours. And if you're in the Chapel Hill, Durham, Sanford, that area, you could get here much quicker. Or maybe even live in the area, or maybe you've got friends here. I announced about a week ago that I was going to do a plant walk here. Probably in the next two to three weeks i'm waiting for the mullein to come up that's sort of going to be my clue that it's time to take people out and show them all

the medicinal herbs that grow here and there are a lot actually um i think like i said speaking of the appalachians a lot of people get the idea that medicinal herbs only grow in the mountains and that's absolutely not true. These herbs, especially when we start talking trees, grow everywhere and the sand hills of North Carolina actually has an abundance of really good medicinal and edible plants. So we'll take a Saturday and I'll take about maybe two hours or so and just take you out on an easy trail. I think they call it the arboretum. It's made for the old folks around here to walk. It's not a hard trail. And I'll show you just dozens of medicinal plants that you'll find when you get back home.

Or maybe you want to propagate some. And edible plants. And it'll be a lot of fun. My family actually has long ties to this area. The Weymouth Woods. I think that's it. There's a wildlife center and preserve here my grandfather helped build. He actually did a lot of the brickwork in the area. One side of my family, I mean, there's a historic site here. It was a cabin that side of my family lived in over 200 years ago.

So, you know, going back to like before the Civil War, Revolutionary Days, my family's always had a connection to this area. And I think it would be really good to show people that these plants, they don't all have to grow up at, you know, 5,000 feet elevation where I live. They grow everywhere. And, you know, God willing, and as Hank Williams always used to say, the good Lord willing and the creek don't rise. This will be a good one. And I'd like to do some in various regions. You know, North Carolina is so diverse. We have the coast. You got plenty of edible plants and medicinal plants there.

We have the swamps. That is probably the most biologically diverse region of the entire state is the swamps. So the coastal swamps are inland, you know, maybe 20 to 50 miles. I mean, you can go from the Great Dilsimal Swamp up at the Virginia line where the Venus flytrap grows down into, you know, the Waccamaw and the Cape Fear Valley. I mean, we've got some serious swamps. I mean, we could rival Louisiana when it comes to swamps. I'd love to figure out a way to take folks out on a plant walk in the swamps. Obviously, we couldn't walk. We'd have to get some john boats or something, maybe some canoes.

I don't know. But, yeah, Sandhills, super easy, a very pleasant place to be in the spring. And of course, there are all kinds of hotels and restaurants around here. So if you're interested in coming and checking out the herbs and edible plants, you can do that. And maybe, you know, your spouse or your other family members aren't interested, they can go play golf or they can go to a spa or they can go to a spa, or they can go to the art galleries, or the theater, you know, it's, it's sort of a pretty unique place, actually, uh, it's not quite my scene, you know, I'm not a golfer, but the, um, the plants here are just really abundant,

really abundant, and, uh, I think you enjoy it, and, you know, after that, I'd like to do some, you know, maybe in the coastal plain, I mean, the, you know, after that, I'd like to do some, you know, maybe in the coastal plain. I mean, you know, well, the Piedmont coastal plain, the Uwaris. We actually have a small mountain range here in North Carolina that hardly anyone knows about. It's in the dead center of the state, basically. And it may be the oldest mountain range on the face of the earth. They're just, I mean, they were probably once as tall as, like, like the himalayas and now they're just worn down to little foothills and really stuff grows there that doesn't grow anywhere else so that's going to be a really

unique experience and the pd river goes right through there so i mean wow i mean it's a pretty cool place actually i mean you can catch catfish down there as big as a volkswagen it is the forgotten corner of North Carolina without a doubt that and like this the the sounds you know you go up northeastern part of the state the Albemarle and Pasquotank sound that's probably the lowest population area of the entire state I'd like to do something up there but we'll definitely do some of the mountains too and maybe some in Virginia and South Carolina, Georgia and Tennessee, all these places. I've lived in all those states, and I'd love to show you the plants. But this one, like I said, it's coming up maybe two, three weeks, weather dependent. If you're interested,

email me judson at judsoncarroll.com. I'm only going to charge 50 bucks for taking you out for about two hours. So I mean, it's a good deal. And I'll do a discount for couples and families. If you bring kids, you got to keep up with them yourself. Not my responsibility. And there'll be a disclaimer, you know, you fall and break an arm or something. It's not my problem. We'll just call 911 and you're on your own. okay? But yeah, it's going to be affordable. And, you know, if you email me, I'll put you on the list of updates. And, you know, if you come down for the plant walk, that'd be great. If you want to make a weekend or a long weekend of just enjoying the area,

there are really few places that are more pleasant in the spring. It really is nice, I have to admit. I'm not big on landscaping, but the village plants tulips everywhere, and the red buds are blooming, and the dogwoods are just starting to flower. It's really darn pretty, actually. And there's some serious fine dining restaurants um i mean really high dollar stuff and really grand old hotels built in the 1890s again really high dollar stuff and then they're just regular old you know motels and um just you know restaurants the locals eat in that are really reasonable uh honestly, there's a good Italian place. It's not going to break your budget, like real handmade food by a real Italian family.

Great Thai restaurant. Actually, the best Thai restaurant in North Carolina is probably in Aberdeen, North Carolina. It is, man, it's good. I remember I haven't been there in about a year or so, but the last time I was there, and I ate in, sometimes I just do takeout, you know, because, you know, I'm a cheapskate. What can I say? But no, actually, the place was just packed,

and I just placed an order and left. The time before that, the family sitting next to me, the guy had been the ambassador to Thailand, and I heard him speaking thai to the the staff and i said wow that's that's really cool i mean that's that's not a real common language how did you learn that and he said well i was ambassador for the united states to thailand for like 20 or 30 years and he said this is the best thai restaurant in you know half of north america i mean he was like wow you know um it's really good i got to admit and i mean thai girls are beautiful so i mean hey i just go just to you know talk to

the waitresses but no seriously they do a curry that will blow the top of your head off i mean if you say you want it thai hot they will make it so like two bites, you're just sweating. I mean, it's, yeah. And they do the, you know, the great soups and everything, but no, I mean, not everything's, um, uh, super expensive around here. Um, lots of military. So, you know, they keep it kind of reasonable. Um, so many people that commute to Fort Bragg or whatever the heck they call it now, it's always going to be Fort Bragg do live right here in in Moore County and so you'll find all sorts of people at all levels of prices at restaurants and lodging and and a lot of stuff to do there's huge equestrian center and a great bowling alley I mean you know whatever. I really do recommend the Seagrove Potters, Jugtown.

I mean, that's a really great North Carolina tradition that goes back a couple hundred years. Ben Owen, my buddy Ben Owen out there in Seagrove, man, he probably does some of the most beautiful ornamental pottery you will ever see. I mean, his glazes are bright blue and red. I mean, they're just gorgeous. And then you got just potters that do bowls and mugs and utilitarian type items, which is really more what I buy. I appreciate Ben's work, but it's way out of my

range. I mean, seriously. But you know, there's some live music and bars and different things. Whatever floats your boat. But if you're interested in a plant walk, just remember it's going to be like two, three weeks from now. Maybe I can try to do this annually. But, again, just email me judson at judsoncarroll.com. And I'll let you know when the date kind of firms up. And then we're just going to really keep an eye on the weather. Because, you know, obviously we can't go on a trail if it's pouring rain or something. But, yeah, it should be a lot of fun.

I'd love to meet you, sign a book, you know, whatever you want. We'll have a good time. So now let's talk about these plants. Catawba is, well, it's naturalized in my region. It's not native. But it was much used in early American herbal medicine. I'd say really through about 1920, when really the pharmaceutical industry began taking over.

King's Medical Dispensatory of 1898 says, it is stated that poisonous emanation issues from this tree, but we have no knowledge of any serious effect from exposure thereto. Okay, what does that mean in modern language? Well, they thought the sap might be poisonous, but there was no documented evidence. It does seem to cause dermatitis for some people, and that could have been the issue. I don't know. The positives have been employed in decoctions and chronic bronchial affections. It was much used as an asthma herb. Very good for spasmodic asthma.

Certain forms of functional heart disease. It does seem to have a cardiac effect. For that reason, of course, you want to be careful with it. Anything that affects the heart, you know, obviously can be dangerous. And maybe that's why people thought they were poisonous. Maybe somebody had a little too much and they died. That can certainly happen. The leaves bruised and applied as a cataplasm, it's basically a poultice,

have been used in irritable scruffulous ulcers. What is that? Well, it's basically psoriasis and eczema, especially if it gets blistered, sores, if it cracks open. And they appear to possess anodyne properties, I mean soothing and healing. The bark has been employed internally in a powder, decoction, in scrofulous maladies. Again, well, scrofula can actually be a glandular inflammation. So that would be... Oh, so many things can cause swollen glands,

but the actual scrofula itself was an infection. Scrofulous conditions or maladies could be more general, more broad, even just inflammations. And as an anthelmintic, meaning it helps get rid of intestinal parasites and such. The juice of the leaves, as well as the root, has been beneficially employed as a local application in several forms of ophthalmology so eye swellings and irritations as well as in certain cutaneous

affections that means skin irritations you know or diseases. From the statements that have been made as to the toxic properties of this tree, and have not yet been satisfactorily demonstrated, it would be advisable to use some prudence and care in the administration of any of its preparations. Well, Plants for the Future is, well, it's much more recent. I think it was written in the, well, around 2000. A good British source for herbal medicine. It's probably the most comprehensive herbal database there is these days. They said Indian bean tree, which is a catalpa. A tea made from the bark has been used as an antiseptic antidote to snake bites as a laxative, sedative, and vermifuge.

Vermifuge means, again, it gets rid of intestinal worms and other parasites. As well as having a sedative effect, the plant has a mild narcotic action, though it has never caused a dazed condition. Remember I said it had a cardiac effect? It slows the heart rate. That's what we're talking about. And it's antispasmodic, which would help with spasmodic asthma. It has therefore been used with advantage in preparations with other herbs for the treatment of whooping cough in children. It has also been used to treat asthma and spasmodic coughs in children. The bark has been used as a substitute for quinine in treating malaria. And so that's, you know, this could be a very useful herb if we have something like COVID again. So that's, you know, this could be a very useful herb if we have something like COVID again.

The leaves are used as a poultice on wounds and abrasions. And a tea made from the seeds is used in the treatment of asthma, bronchitis, and is applied externally to wounds. The pods are sedative and are thought to have cardioactive properties. Distilled water made from these pods, mixed with ibrite, which is Euphrasia officinalis, and rue. Rue can be toxic in large amounts, so you're going to want to be careful on this, is a valuable eye lotion in the treatment of trachoma and conjunctivitis. And Peterson Field Guide to Eastern Plants says, Common catalpa, bark tea formerly used as an antiseptic,

snakebite antidote, laxative, sedative, worm expellent, leaves poulticed on wounds and abrasions, seed tea used for asthma, bronchitis, externally for wounds, pod sedative, thought to possess radioactive properties. A lot of common use in different countries there of the catalpas. I am not sure if we will encounter a catalpa on our plant walk but they um I do know there are several growing in the area so you know maybe I can give you directions to where you can see one as any you know well there will be other cardiotonic or cardioactive herbs growing

when we go out and I will show you some actually rather good substitutes and I've talked to you before about a juger of rattan's bugleweed it's one of my absolute favorites and it should be in flower the other is Celtis or hackberry now there's 16 varieties of hackberry that have been used in herbal medicine I'm not going to list them all. They're either called Celtis or Hackberry. Not a super common tree where I live, but there are three native varieties and it's Sugarberry, I'm not going to get into the Latin on this, Common Hackberry and Dwarf Hackberry. people had planted chinese hackberry ornamentally we might see a hackberry tree or two i i've seen several in uh in pinehurst uh yeah i don't know

if they're planted or no that would be the common yeah because i can see where they're growing in my mind you know i keep plant maps in my mind you know how, if you really want to go out and learn to find plants in the wild, wild craft, the best thing these days to do is take your cell phone and use GPS. And when you've identified a useful plant, mark that location so you can come back to it. I don't like to carry a cell phone at all, especially in the woods. I will keep one turned off for emergencies. But what I learned to do years ago is mental mapping. Basically, if I go on the same path or trail two or three times,

I identify landmarks along the way. And like right now, I'm sitting in a chair. I'm talking into a microphone. And in my mind, I can walk about a three or eight mile path. And I know where the plants that I've identified are along that path. Now, it can be a trail. It can be a road, you know, a walk, a walking path or a road where I might walk my dog and I happen to notice things along the way. It can be a pathless area

of the woods. That's something I've trained myself to do, you know, having been an herbalist since the age of 15. And I think it's really actually very good for the memory if you can do that now like I said the best thing to do these days is a use a GPS a GPS system but um well I mean I've been out on trails in the middle of the night and I can't see a thing I mean it can be a moonless night and I can't see a thing and I've never gotten lost in the night I've gotten lost in the daytime before in an unfamiliar place, but on a trail I've been on before, I've never gotten lost because even though I can't see more than a foot in front of me and I'm looking at the ground so I don't stumble over anything, in my mind I know exactly where I am. I think that's actually a really useful skill. I know where water is, fresh water.

I know where the spring is. I know where the creek's clean. I know where the fishing holes are. I mean, I'm talking like a 10-mile radius of my house in the woods, in the mountains that I've been around. I know where certain herbs are growing. I know where the ramps are by the creek bed. I know where a huge stand of pink lady slipper, one of the most rare herbs that we don't harvest is i mean i know where so many of ginseng golden seal i've identified the cherry and birch trees if i need

something all i have to do is sit and and just think for a minute maybe close my eyes i know exactly where it is or where it was last year. You know, nothing's changed and how to get there and could, you know, could walk there in the middle of the night if I had to. Now, I don't know. I think anybody could do that. It's just a matter of practice. It's a matter of being aware and paying attention,ization and envisioning you know i've walked those paths in my mind more than i've walked them with my feet and i've walked them with my feet a lot so i i actually think in a survival situation that could come in very handy um probably something you might want to train your kids to do i said before, a great way to teach kids about edible plants and herbs,

especially for survival as a prepper, make a game of it. You're in the car, you're driving along, tell them, what's that plant? Play a game. You can do that along trails. Make a game of it. Get a little competition if you've got siblings. Give them a little reward if necessary and you'll be surprised how quickly they're going to learn those plants i think you can also teach your kids mental mapping um you know very easily actually i mean if you walk a trail this is the way um i used to do it i'd walk a trail and i get to a destination right now uh

obviously i live in a very steep hilly area so a lot trail and I'd get to a destination, right? Now, obviously I live in a very steep hilly area, so a lot of times I'd want to sit down and rest for an hour, eat a snack that I brought along, you know, whatever. And what I would do is sit there and after I enjoyed the view or listened to the creek a little bit and just kind of settled in, remember each step. Envision myself starting on the trail, what did I pass along the way? And as on my way back, try to look for what I missed. And by the time I got home, I've mapped, I've got a mental map of that area. That's what our ancestors used to do. I mean, I think that would be true whether you're European or Native American or Polynesian. Our ancestors did a lot of mental mapping.

And I think it's a great skill. And, you know, it's one of those things that's probably pretty good for your brain, actually. But let's talk about Celtus or hackberry. Naturalized, well, I said, yeah, the Chinese hackberry has been naturalized. But mainly the common hackberry is what I have. And according to Plants for a Future, an extract obtained from the wood has been used in the treatment of jaundice. In other words, it's quite good for the liver. A decoction of the bark has been used in treatment of sore throats. And when combined with the

powdered shells, it has been used in the treatment of VD. Well, unfortunately, they don't tell us what that venereal disease might be. Usually when they just say VD, they're either talking gonorrhea or herpes So, we're probably looking at sort of a topical, stringent, kind of, maybe with some anti-viral properties I'm not quite sure Seems that hackberry was much utilized, though, by the Native American tribes as an antioxidant rich food. American folk use seems to stem from that tradition. As of yet, though, I found very little recorded information on historical use. I am looking forward to experimenting with hackberry a lot more in the future.

Probably real good in pemmican you know if you've ever made pemmican dried berries nuts fat dried meat that I could really see hackberry working in that on its own yeah it's not like it's a little dry you know I mean I've eaten hackberries before but at least I think I have I remember being kind of dry and crunchy and I may be wrong. It's been a while since I've messed with them. But, yeah, I mean, the Cherokee apparently not only harvested them, but propagated the trees. You know, they actually planted the seeds. And probably the Catawbans did as well.

I mean, I'm sure they did. You know, we don't. When Europeans first came to America, they saw very little evidence of actual farming. Well, it turns out the natives were pretty darn smart about collecting nuts and seeds and berries and planting them in the woods, especially along the trails where they'd be traveling. It's a different way of farming. It's actually a permaculture technique called farming the woods or making a forest garden. Turns out they were cultivating the land uh you know for a few thousand years and uh that's why we had why my ancestors had such abundance when they got here

of nuts and fruits and berries and so much forage for game and you know that's something well i know i've talked about this before we need to be doing i mean if you think well for your own personal use and enjoyment but really if you think things get bad what better thing to do now other than learn to grow at a vegetable garden in your backyard and learn to forage but take some fruit and nut and berry seeds and some mustard seeds and anything you might need and basically just toss them on every vacant piece of land or a place where you think they may grow. It doesn't have to be your property. I mean, what's the worst case scenario?

You save some seeds, you toss them out, they grow up and somebody cuts them down. Not always exactly legal we actually have some laws against that but i think those laws are pretty stupid uh remember johnny apple seed what a character he was right uh major polygamist uh actually but you know he said to have walked all over the the country um planting apple trees apple seeds he just carried a big sack of apple seeds and just tossed them out probably a lot of the apple trees, apple seeds. He just carried a big sack of apple seeds and just tossed them out. Probably a lot of the apple trees in North America are due to his just wandering around a bigamus sleeping with every woman he met and tossing out apple seeds. Well, what could you

accomplish? You know, if you save some seeds from a piece of a pear or an apple a few cherries grape seeds peach pits yeah they need to be stratified but they they they stratify naturally in nature and you know you could probably fit I don't know I even know 50,000 mustard seeds in a little baggie in your pocket and if you're walking along in a park and there's a little sunny area boom you know mustard radishes nobody's gonna know they're but you and if you know somebody stumbles along you've just done a really great deed giving food to somebody who may need it and trust me the deer and the rabbits and the birds are going to benefit from it and that's going to give us more game if we need more game um i think it's a pretty darn good thing to do

actually and if you're sowing native uh wildflower wild seeds like hackberry would be native common hackberry um that's probably actually not only legal but encouraged you know I mean again you don't when you know a landowner may have an issue with it but if it was public land that probably wouldn't be an issue whatsoever I'd definitely toss out some bone set and joe pie weed and other antivirals and fever plants well that's they call it guerrilla gardening. Probably a really, really good strategy for survival, actually. And it's sort of the opposite of what we've been doing the past hundred years or so with landscaping, tearing everything up and putting in concrete and grass. Much better to have something you can actually eat or use for medicine.

And I'm not telling you to do it. Don't blame me if you get caught. Listen, I'm not telling you to do it. Don't blame me if you get caught. But I think it could probably be one of the best things you can do for yourself and for future generations. And if they don't like it, I'll bite my tongue and just say, forget about them, right? I mean, come on. God gave us the land and the seeds and the water. Village council or POA doesn't supersede God.

Not in my opinion. Anyway. Masanobu Fukuoka. No, I didn't just have some kind of Tourette's syndrome or anything. It's actually a Japanese guy who wrote a fantastic book called The One Straw Revolution. He was all about growing rice and fruit trees. But what he learned to do was take seeds and mix them with clay and make little balls, you know, maybe the size of a marble. And he'd keep a pocket full of them or a bag full of them and whenever he saw a bare spot of ground he'd just throw them out there you know it's it's a brilliant

idea honestly um i mean it's what birds do naturally carrying seeds around dropping them be you know be like the birds throw those seeds out let's get some good edibles and medicinals growing because, you know, I mean, it could be just something as simple as another, like, shutdown, lockdown like we have with COVID. And you can't get to the store. There's nothing on the shelf. Wouldn't it be great to just go out and walk your dog and come out back with a sack full of food?

I mean, if you're smart about it, you can get a little game while you're out there, too, or some fish. But you could at least come back with enough, you know, vegetable food, fruits, nuts, seeds. Amaranth would be an excellent example, or goosefoot for seeds that you could get. Make a meal, you know, grind up and make a bread out of it, or make a porridge. It could literally save your life. You could live off that for weeks um yeah i mean yeah i think it's a great plan it's something i wish everybody would do i know it's not legal in a lot of places but frankly i don't much care what's legal i i care about what's moral, and what's legal is not always moral,

and in regards to regulation, not often moral. So anyway, y'all, have a great week. Talk to you next time. Go out and enjoy the spring, and if you can, come to Pinehurst. If you can afford it and you want to meet me, be glad to. We'll have a good time. See ya. The information in this podcast is not intended to diagnose or treat any disease or condition. Nothing I say or write has been evaluated or approved by the FDA. I'm not a doctor. The U.S.

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