The Prepper Broadcasting Network - I AM Liberty- When Your NO Becomes LETHAL w/ Ken from Right to Bear

Episode Date: May 16, 2024

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So we have Ken. And Ken and I sat down to discuss right to bear over two plates of eggs and corned beef hash here in Richmond, Virginia. I really appreciate that meeting, Ken, because it's rare that I get to meet my podcast guests face to face. So it's always good. Always good. Yeah. And Ken, you took care of me. You footed the bill.

I highly respected that. That was really a good way to start the day, man. Thank you once again. Always glad to treat. And it was a great conversation and great discussion. And those are how we create a network amongst those of us that need to be vigilant and prepared. Yeah. So in terms of vigilant and prepared, last week, we talked a little bit about reserving, you know, through preparedness and through the political system, through, you know, all manners of living your life,

sort of preserving your right to say no because there's so much craziness in the world, whether it's some kind of crazy cultural thing that's going on or a literal rule or regulation from the ATF. All kinds of crazy stuff's happening all the time. And last week we talked a bit about, you know, protecting your ability to say no. And I thought it'd be a great segue to have you on this week to talk about what happens if that no becomes lethal. Because if you find yourself using your firearm to say no, maybe somebody wants to take your car take your kid take your wallet these things happen in america all the time you know what i mean we watch these

things happen all the time um that sets a whole new like a whole new deck of cards is laid before you then right and and the folks in right to bear you guys, you guys are prepared to take that phone call should one of us find ourselves in that position, right? That's exactly right. That's one of many of the benefits of being a member of Right to Bear. So maybe tell us a little bit about Right to Bear. I think my audience should have a pretty good hold on some similar services, and we could talk about those other similar services also because I know you have a lot to say about them, and I think what you have to say about them is very important. But why don't you tell us about Right to Bear right off the get-go

so people understand why Ken Hardy is with us. Sure enough. I came from another company that was in the same services business, if you will. I came to work for Right to Bear because of their product and because of their philosophy. They are a cousin to Palmetto State Armory, and I'm sure anybody that buys any firearms from Palmetto State Armory is very familiar with that organization. And we're not owned or run by them, but we are a cousin to them in the same corporate household, if you will. What we do is provide something that the average person has no idea what they're going to need until they need it, and it's then probably too late. And I find it

fascinating in my travels and in my presentations to groups and particularly concealed carry classes and what have you, people do not realize that if they have to, God forbid, use that firearm to defend themselves, or as you say, say no, they have no idea what they're in for and they have no idea what they need. And I find that fascinating. And we're talking about older adults who have had real civics classes in high school and what have you. And they are not aware that they're going to need a competent criminal defense attorney. And those aren't easy to come by. And when you come by one, they're very expensive. For instance, a deadly force incident, which would require you

to, you'd want an attorney and you'd want him or her pretty quick. I have not run across a criminal defense attorney in my travels that will not charge as a retainer fee $100,000 for a deadly force case in which the person shot and killed someone. And I think people, they are shocked by that. In my presentations, I will, I like to engage the group and I'll ask them questions and I will ask them, what do you think it would do? The first of all, what I find is funny is they do not know that they're going to need an attorney if they use deadly force. And they do not know the cost by which that is going to come, and they don't know how to find one. void that people have in their consciousness about self-defense, about concealed carry, about using deadly force, and their right to carry a firearm or to defend themselves in any

manner. And Right to Bear sees that. We know that is a problem out there, and we try to fill that void for folks so that they're not incorrectly convicted of something they didn't do or an advocate type of prosecutor who wants to push the issue and take what was a rightful deadly force case and turn it into something of willfulness on the part of the person defending themselves. We want these people to have access to an attorney immediately. We have a 24-hour hotline, we call it, that is answered by an attorney. And we can get into that a little bit down the road as to why that's so important. But your first thing you want is an attorney in the aftermath of a situation in which particularly which you've shot and killed someone or inflicted serious physical harm on them and it's such a crazy thing because you're already taken up to a thousand if you i don't mean dollars i mean like rpms if you're in a situation like that and you escape with your life,

and you're probably sitting there thinking the hard part's over. You know what I mean? And you're right. And it's just begun, the hard part. Yeah, that's the scariest part about it. And until I took a concealed carry course, I don't remember what it was for. It was to get my concealed carry. But until I took that course... Yeah, they usually call that a concealed carry class. I'm going to buy a gun, own a gun, practice with a gun, and God forbid one day use a gun on a bad guy to save my life or someone else's life. That's a stretch far enough, you know what I mean, for the average person. And then to think $100,000 later I'll have a lawyer on retainer that might keep me out of jail

is just a whole other can of worms, man. And to have an opportunity to have a service like you guys provide, it just, I talk a lot, Ken, about things in prepping that just remove massive amounts of anxiety from my life that I never really would have looked. I never would have thought prepping would do that for you, but it does that. And what you guys do is one of those things that's done that for me also, is taking that immense weight of what if off of my shoulders. And you guys do it very affordably, by the way. Yes, we do. When you look at the ultimate cost, and by the way, backtracking to that $100,000, that's where you start. That's not a package deal.

I've heard numbers in excess of a million and a half in the Kyle Rittenhouse case up in Wisconsin. Sure, yeah, I'm sure of it. Yeah, and it's always interesting to me because people just kind of – they're just kind of like, yeah. And I'm like, where do you think he got the money? He was not a man of means. And, of course, his case was so high profile and so published and politicized that people contributed to his cause. But that's one in a million situation where it's going to be so high profile. So the average person that's going to defend themselves at a gas station one evening

because some bad guy comes up to them and wants to do harm to them, that's never going to make the news, probably, particularly if it's in a major city. And these people will be lost in a hole. And without competent legal representation, there's not much of a way out of that hole. And you mentioned being in a big city. And I think for those of you out there listening who are in major metropolitan areas in America, you probably already know the gun laws are crazy. You probably already know, you know, what's happening to the big cities in the country.

Probably one of the reasons you worked so hard to get a concealed carry permit is because you know the conditions. But again, what might not cross your mind, and you brought this up to me to begin with, was the concept of, you know, if you leave it up to the state to provide you or to the, I don't know who provides you exactly, but if you leave it up to them to provide you a lawyer in a place like Chicago, San Francisco, you're going to get exactly what you think you're going to get, you know, and good luck

with that. They are, the public defenders are overworked, underpaid, understaffed, and underexperienced, and they are ill-equipped to conduct a full-blown jury trial to prove your innocence. a full-blown jury trial to prove your innocence. And I always qualify what I just said there, because I said, prove your innocence. And I've had people go, yeah, but you're presumed innocent until proven guilty. Yeah, but you still have to prove your innocence by presenting evidence to a jury of your peers. And that's only a presumption that a jury is supposed to start at in determining guilt. So when folks say to me, well, I'm innocent until proven guilty, well, why are you sitting in a county jail with a $150,000 bond on you?

Why were you handcuffed, mugshot, and fingerprinted if you're innocent until proven guilty? And we all know that's kind of a ridiculous presumption for the whole process. It's just for a jury to consider. And I'll tell you, I spent 12 years in law enforcement, so I'm very familiar with the judicial system. And, of course, in my work and what I do now, I stay abreast of pretty much everything that's going on. And usually what public defenders are, they are a public negotiator. works in such a way that the prosecutors know to charge high, when I say charge, file charges against somebody higher, and then have a negotiation session with a public defender and have that client of that public defender plead guilty to a lesser charge. And without an independent, well-paid, well-experienced, competent criminal

defense attorney, you're relegated to taking the lesser of two evils rather than having someone who says, wait a minute, you did the right thing here. We're going all the way to trial and we're going to prove your innocence. And if that goes upside down, if you're a right to bear member, we're going to file an appeal for you all the way through the appeal process to the U.S. Supreme Court. There is no one else who offers that. There is one company that offers a similar protection. But what people need to understand, whether you're with them or us, this is once thrown into the judicial system, you are a file number. I don't care how important you are in your community and what a good faith-based individual you are and you coach the little league

and everything else. You're involved in a self-defense situation in and in particular, if it involves a firearm and you have a prosecutor who does not believe in the Second Amendment, he will he or she will use you to make an example of how bad all of us gun carrying people are. And that's and you don't have any control over that. The judicial system will change your life in a heartbeat. And it is weird because it does seem like your jury in particular, and probably the whole process, when you look at what's going on with Alvin Bragg, and you say to yourself, you know, circumstances in the country at the time have an effect. There's no ignoring that, you know, this shapes public opinion, what's happening out there in the world.

So, you know, I mean, you brought up Kyle Rittenhouse. That was a guy who was guilty until proven innocent fundamentally in the eyes of most Americans. And, you know, we know we're headed to a time of chaos at least built around the election alone if nothing else and in in those times of chaos i mean it always seems like law-abiding citizens become sort of public enemy number one because they're not going along with whatever protest or social cultural mors is popular at the time. And then you have a situation where, like, you know, now your life is in the balance. You're risking never seeing your family again or, you know, not seeing them the way you want to see them for maybe years at a time.

With a bunch of people in a courtroom that probably don't jive with you one bit. That's a terrifying circumstance, man. It is terrifying. And this happens every time, right? This is a thing that happens every time someone discharges a firearm in self-defense and kills someone or injures them. Is that true? That is true. There is going to be an investigation, and there will be a consideration of charges. And a lot of times that consideration for charges comes from either imperfect or incompetent investigation, conflicting witness statements in an incident. And I hate that this is what scares me the most about the judicial system, a predisposition against citizens' rights to take care of themselves and protect themselves.

That scares us all. That scares us all. And you made reference to Alvin Bragg. And I don't care whether a person loves or hates Donald Trump. That is an example of how the judicial system can take control of someone who was once the most powerful person in the free world and put him under that situation. So if you think your little old Joe Doakes out there in metropolitan USA and you're going to be treated any different, I got another thing to tell you, because it is a system that works for itself. It's meant to find justice,

and I'm not saying it doesn't, and I'm not saying it doesn't set out to seek justice or, in my mind, truth. But what happens is it's an imperfect system, it involves human beings and it involves human beings who shouldn't have power at times, but do. And then it ends up, you know, when you, if you end up in a, uh, in a jury trial, uh, you got a jury of your peers. And, uh, sometimes I'm not that impressed with the cerebral capability of some of my peers right now. Sometimes. Yeah. So it's a frightening time that we live in, I think, and I think that what is more frightening is that people don't understand

what is going to happen next if they defend themselves. And I don't care if you pick up a baseball bat or you grab a windshield squeegee at a gas station if you're accosted. There's going to be a change of your life for a short to long period of time depending on the severity of the incident, depending on what people say happened. And I can tell you for a fact, not all witnesses see it the same way. And of course, if a witness is a friend of the person that you have to defend yourself against, well, they're going to take his statement into consideration. And it's never clear cut. And I think that's the part that motivates me in what I do with Right to Bear. I want people to understand what they're getting themselves into if they decide to carry a firearm,

what they're getting themselves into. If they decide to carry a firearm, have one on or about their person or in their car or in their home. And even in your home, don't think you're just, you're just good to go because there are circumstances that could, that could mitigate what happened. For instance, the guy turns to turns to run out the front door when he sees you pull the gun out,

and at the same time you're pulling the trigger and you shoot him in the back. Now, an activist district attorney could say he wasn't a threat to you. He was turned away from you. Yeah, but one-tenth of a second before that he was a threat. But they can turn that around and they can, and you get people sitting on a jury. I'm going to go. He didn't need to kill that poor boy. That poor boy just was making a mistake. Well, we all understand, you know, you break into somebody's house, you get what, what comes to you, but there are jurors who get uh emotional about their decision they aren't always

you are you know what i know anyway from the things i listen to and the people that i talk to is that the age of offenders is dropping in a way that is terrifying. I'm talking as young as 12-year-olds with handguns breaking into people's houses. Yes. And you are in for it, dude. Let's just say it like it is. If you're a 40-something Trump-voting white dude and you shoot up 12-year-old, 14-year-old,

16-year-old black kid in the back on their way out of the door and expect that things are going to go smoothly for you in this America, man, that's a rough position to be in. You know what I mean? Yes. And what I try to convey to folks is that, look, what you think situations are going to be are more based on your experience watching courtroom dramas and Bruce Willis action movies and what have you. of a combat situation or a incidental self-defense situation, they're going to tell you that experience was a lot different than they thought it would be. And that's where I get – it's so Hollywood.

And people don't have an understanding of our judicial process. They truly don't. And I find it fascinating that someone decides they're going to take a concealed carry class. And they decide to buy a firearm, and they do a lot of thinking about what kind of firearm. And they get a lot of information. And then they get into the type of ammo they should carry and the concealed method they're going to carry by to what's going to happen in the aftermath. I lost you there for a quick second. I'm not sure what happened.

Yeah, I got you. Do I still have you, Jim? Yeah, no, I got you. You're good. You came back. It just went quiet for a second. Okay, yeah, we've got a little storm going on here. But people don't – I would rather they focus on things like situational awareness and options in situations and legal defense for the aftermath. Because I don't care if you spend $1,000 for a firearm or $75 for a firearm.

If a bullet will come out the end of those two firearms, it doesn't matter what the cost was, the firearm you used. It just means you were successful in defending yourself, but you took a human life in the process. And what's going to be more important is your legal representation. And most folks can't afford it. I mean, particularly in today's time with inflation, what it is, it's hard for people to put money away. I mean, if you've been putting money away and you have to defend your family, now you've got to spend all that money that you had saved for your kids for college. You have to defend your family. Now you've got to spend all that money that you had saved for your kids for college.

It's a travesty in my mind and something I always inform people of. If you go to trial with a competent attorney and you get found not guilty, there is no refund desk at the courthouse. The money you paid to that attorney is in his or her pocket, and they're going to thank you for the new Mercedes, and they're going to tell you, enjoy your liberty, and that's the end of it. And that's what we do to fill that void, to avoid financial ruin for folks, to avoid the possibility of improper prosecution, to avoid the possibility of improper prosecution, to protect against an improper conviction. And in the court, in the courtroom, there are no guarantees. It's a matter of convincing 12 people that you're right and the other guy's wrong.

And it doesn't always come out the right way. So we talked about, and I can't remember exactly the details on this one. So if, hold on, we got a question actually from chat. Let's do that real quick first. Sloan in the chat room says, with cameras everywhere now, do you think that would make it easier to prove your case? everywhere now do you think that would make it easier to prove your case i guess he's saying what we do cameras and that kind of uh that kind of surveillance you know having a jury be able to watch a video does that make it easier or harder to prove your case this is the answer i give to everyone because everybody's looking for a pat answer from me. And my answer is it depends because it depends on the quality of that video. It depends on the angle of that video. It depends on did that security camera

see all of the action or just a part of it? Because your action out of context of the entirety of the event could look improper. Yeah, I was on a jury, and I can't – you know how it is. But in terms of video, we saw video from one side, from the prosecution, and then we saw more video from the defense. And then we saw more video from the defense. Like the prosecutor, and I don't know if it was a good choice on their end, but the prosecution showed us a limited snip of a video to get their point across. And then the defense showed us the whole video. And, you know, those were two different stories. It was really wild. Well, and to that point, if prosecutors were in search of truth

and justice, why would they have just cropped that video to show you only the incriminating part? And this is the other thing that I think people forget. They forget that prosecutors are political figures, and sometimes they have aspirations for higher office. And they want to come off as the law and order candidate. Well, what proves that? All of their convictions. And I always question who vets those convictions? Who makes sure that conviction was proper? Well, nothing in the judicial system unless the convicted person initiates an appeal process. That's the only

check and balance. The minute that jury decides that person is guilty, the judge is going to remand them to the custody of usually the local sheriff, and then they will set aside for another hearing to determine sentencing. And that changes you from Monday through Friday, getting up and going to work and coming home and mowing your lawn to wearing prison clothes and being in a confined area for who knows how long. I wanted to switch gears because you talked a little bit about, and you don't have to go into details that you're not allowed to go into, but when we talked, you definitely mentioned the difference between what you guys do now as compared to other services that are similar i this may ruffle some feathers in the audience because i'm sure we've got people

who are members of some of these services but i thought it was really cool to have this conversation with someone who's inside the business someone who's worked for more than one of these kind of companies, that being you, Ken. And whatever you can tell us about how Right to Bear compares to some of the other players in the game like USCAA and those types of services. Right. Yeah, I can do that. And of course, those other companies have paved the way for Right to Bear to do what we do. They've been doing it about 15 years or so. And you mentioned USCCA. USCCA is a training agency. They develop instructors, they develop training programs, and I would recommend anyone who is a member of their organization who has their legal protection to read the member contract for the coverage they're going to be provided. I think that they will think twice about what

they've purchased. It's an insurance-based product, which means whose interest is going to be held into account here, the client or the insurance company? And if you've ever dealt with insurance companies, they're making sure they minimize their losses and their payouts. And you don't want that situation if you're in a self-defense situation. The other weak leg of their program is they do not have a 24-hour answered hotline that is answered by an attorney, hotline that is answered by an attorney, which means you don't have anybody getting started on your case until you're finally able to reach an attorney who they have recommended. And I will tell you this, and you alluded to it a little earlier about what a shakeup, an event like that will be to you psychologically and emotionally and what have you. people don't always say and do the smartest

things in the aftermath of a situation like that when they're in that frame of mind. And you can say things that would be incriminating and there's nothing you can do about it once you said it. So by virtue of having an attorney available to talk to immediately, our 24-hour attorney answered line will put you in contact with your attorney from right to bear before the police get to the scene if you make a point of making that phone call early. And we recommend that you make sure 911 has been called. But that is a key part and a big difference in us and USCCA, who you mentioned. There's another company called U.S. Law Shield. They have almost as good a program as ours. We've gone the extra mile in our program. And they're a good company, but they are moving toward being an insurance-based product, too. And they've rolled out their new system or their new program in a couple of states, Texas and North Carolina, and the cost has gone up and what have you.

you. With right to bear, we are going to provide you untapped, unlimited legal representation for any criminal work that needs to be done by a criminal defense attorney. And if and when you are sued in the aftermath of a self-defense situation, we're going to provide you legal representation for any civil action. And I guarantee if you take the life of someone, their family is going to and can file suit against you. Now, it may get adjudicated at some point, but you've got to defend against that. One of the reasons I came with Right to Bear is inherent in their basic program are three things that the others do not include in their basic program. One is, and to me most important, psychological counseling

for the member and their family, because the family is going to go through this ordeal also in the aftermath. So we're going to give them psychological counseling. We also include expert witness testimony in their basic coverage, where the others do not. It's an option you have to purchase. We also include firearm replacement. And a lot of people in this world have more than one firearm. But there are a lot of people that the only gun they have is the one they use to defend themselves, and the police are going to confiscate it, leaving them without a firearm in the meantime. And we will replace their firearm with a similar or like cost firearm. That's another one of those things you never think about.

You know, you never think that the gun that you use, the gun that you've trained with, the gun that you carry every day is gone after an event like that. That's right. It's going to be held as evidence. And I can tell you this. There are incidences, usually in bigger metropolitan areas, not always, could be small communities. That firearm got lost somehow. It made its way out the back door of the property room, and it's gone. Or some courts, judges just won't return it to you. They'll order it destroyed. And so you're out that firearm. And so it's better to have something than nothing at all. But the other two companies are, particularly USCCA, their coverage is very loose and worded very loosely. Again, we're grateful to them for having paved the way for people like us.

But I would recommend anybody who is a member of either of those two organizations to read their member agreement and make sure it says it's going to do what they say they're going to do. And there's a handful of other companies out there similar, but they're not as prominent as us and the other two companies. Is there a section in that contract people should look at closely or just the whole thing? With regard to USCCA, the first page will tell you all you need to know. Okay. Understood.

Yeah. I mean, and then the rest is all part, it's like reading Mandarin Chinese. You have no idea what they're saying because it's legal business. It's all legalese and it's written, if you ever read your homeowner's insurance policy or whatever, it kind of isn't clear that if your garage burns down, they're going to fix your garage. You know, there's always these kind of, I don't know, vague wordings and what have you that kind of give them an out. So, I guess what I would tell everyone, either concealed carries, has a firearm, is vigilant, will do anything to protect their family. For about a buck and a nickel a day with our program, they can cover their wife, all of our optional coverages themselves, and even 17 and under minor children in their household. And that's pretty inexpensive protection against the judicial system that has all the power, all the money, and all of the control.

That doesn't sound concerning at all. No, not at all. i wouldn't worry about it i and and i have had people that i've that i run into that have a they kind of have a um wild west mentality about it and they say no nobody will ever know that it happened oh so if you're accosted out in public and you have to defend your life, nobody's going to know that? I mean, that's an unrealistic approach to what this whole self-defense and vigilance and right to defend yourself is all about. And that's what I would recommend to people, by the way, get a lot of training on the psychology of self-defense. Get a lot of training on situational awareness.

And most of all, understand what your first plan of action is, and that's to get away if you can. And get the family out of there or whatever the situation is. Don't stand and fight if you don't have to. get the family out of there or whatever the situation is. Don't stand and fight if you don't have to. Yeah, I think one of the reasons this is so important for preppers is because one of the craziest things that maybe only preppers think about, but even preppers don't think about it as thoroughly, even preppers don't think about it as thoroughly, is, you know, we all worry and wonder and contemplate a world without rule of law. That's what we call it. A world without rule of law.

And one of the things that I caution our listeners all the time is, you know, for how long? You know, you could argue, and Phil Rabelais, one of our hosts, would argue this, and so would anybody who was there or paid any attention, but, you know, post-Hurricane Katrina, those people lived in a world briefly without rule of law. However, that law eventually came back. And, you know, it's when you're talking about firearms and self-defense and taking lives with a firearm, you might be in a short-term situation where things are as crazy as they get. And, you know, your life's at risk and all that kind of stuff. But then that might work its way back to the way things always are, you know,

and you find yourself in a situation, especially as a prepper, or maybe even as anybody, where things can get chaotic and you don't realize what you're doing because, you know, it's chaos everywhere. You don't realize that you're building, you know, maybe you've killed someone, and you think, I'm not going to have to deal with that. I'm not going to have to answer for that because this is a world without rule of law apocalyptic situation. And then all of a sudden, a couple weeks goes by and cleanup's over and, you know, things get back to normal and you realize, oh, God, I'm going to have to answer to this. This wasn't the end of the world scenario I thought it was. That's an excellent point that you're bringing up there.

As preppers and prepper mentality process, the thought is prepare for however bad it's going to sort out who the people are that protect themselves and keep firearms is to have chaos, have a few people that get killed, and then start following up on that. Now the authorities are finding their way back to the prepared people, and they may not necessarily like people to be prepared. may not necessarily like people to be prepared. So they could easily make quick work of you by drawing you into the judicial system. And I mean, how many of them could you fight off in a lawless situation? You're not going to. They're going to bring the troops and they're going to subject you to the laws. And they're not going to concern They're going to bring the troops and they're going to subject you to the laws. And they're not going to concern themselves with what the chaos was prior to the reimposition of law and order. Yeah, that's one of those things I always think about because we prepare for a scenario like that. And then, you know, in the snap of a finger, it can be back. Oh, God, we're back.

And right. And you've got real life snap of a finger, it can be back. Oh, God, we're back. Right. And now you've got these real-life consequences to deal with, man. And that's a scary one. It's for a fact it's scary. And I think that we all, you know, if you're prepared for ultimate chaos, what about life in general before that happens? We're going about our lives and carrying firearms or carrying pepper spray or collapsible batons or some other means of defending yourself. And in the meantime, while there is some semblance of law and order in our society, you still need to make sure that if you use that defense implement, that you've got legal coverage because the law is still in place in these times.

And there's never a good aftermath of a self-defense situation, other than you stayed alive. But the whole consequence of all that is still, it can be life-changing. Oh, sure. Sure. So is there anything else we're not thinking about? Is there anything else that you guys provide that we haven't mentioned? Well, as I mentioned in our core protection, unlimited legal representation, and as I said, appeal process all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court. You can't go any higher than what we will go with you to defend your case. We offer optional coverages. We have a multi-state coverage for people who buy a program from us.

It's limited to their home state, but they can buy additional coverage, which is $35 a year more, to cover them in all 50 states. We also offer a bail bond protection, um, up to a hundred thousand dollars. Um, generally I like the idea. If you've got a good attorney, he'll get you a negotiated, uh, bond that may, you know, may be reachable, but at least you got a hundred thousand in there. If they put a quarter of a million on you, you got a hundred thousand to, to, to go toward that quarter of a million. And then we provide minor, it makes a difference.

And we also provide minor child coverage for children 17 and under in the household. And a lot of people tend to think firearms, firearms, firearms. Well, what people don't think about in particularly in school today, it's chaos. And if your child is being bullied and finally decides they've had enough one day or you've instructed them, look, don't take it anymore. We'll deal with the consequences. Well, if that self-defense in that bullying situation is viewed by the wrong witnesses, interpreted incorrectly by school administration, your child could find themselves on the wrong end of criminal charges. So whether it was a fistfight or they simply shoved somebody out of the way, we will cover that child if the member has that coverage for any act of self

defense. And again, any lawsuit that would ensue from that. And a lot of people don't take into consideration, well, there's bullying. And a child may, you know, there's some kids that will, they'll take it and they'll take it. And then when they unload, boy, they unload with a fury and they really put a hurting on that person that was bullying them. And we'll cover all children under 17 and under in the household for 35 bucks a year. So if you've got 10 kids, it's $35 a year. If you've got one kid, it's $35 a year. So I guess the guy with 10 kids is getting a better deal if you amortize the cost over 10. So what we seek to do as a company is to protect the Second Amendment, protect citizens' rights. The company is based on Christian values,

that right is right and wrong is wrong. And we want to defend the people who are defending themselves. And that's pretty much it in a nutshell. There is one thing out there that people may misinterpret. We will cover a member in all 50 states if they have the 50-state coverage. However, there are three states we cannot sell our program to, and you can probably guess which ones they are, New York, New Jersey, and Washington State. So we cover in all 50 states if you would be traveling or whatever, but those three states are excluded from us being able to sell you membership because of their political attitude what we represent. Wow. Interesting.

We have people, that's something that I have probably worth hammering on real quick is we have people who have kids in martial arts, more than one family that I know of that listens to this network. And if your kid knows how to punch and kick and strangle and, you know, if they're doing jujitsu, Muay Thai, boxing, those kinds of things, you might incur some costs in a situation like that.

That's correct. And if you think a prosecutor who wants to charge a kid for defending themselves won't use that martial arts training and ability against them, I got a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn. Because it's a – what's interesting and fascinating about the law is the law will use whatever nuance or tool they can use to prove their case against you. To the extent that, oh, you have a concealed carry permit. Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, the defendant had a concealed carry permit. He couldn't wait to get his day when he was going to be able to take somebody out with a firearm. And he got his day. You see how that's used, and that appeals to the emotions of people on juries. And that appeals to the emotions of people on juries. And convictions are not always based on on evidence that makes sense. And you don't always have to have hard physical evidence, just an assumption of, well, we think you did the wrong thing. So we're going to send you to prison for about 10 years. Oh, that's ugly. I have great respect for avoiding

the judicial system at all costs. Yeah, I think you're right on that one. Well, PBN family, you know, you got a lot to chew on. I don't know everybody's situation, but I do know you guys got a lot to chew on. mean it's it's whether you have coverage you need to double check and make sure you have the coverage that you think you have if you don't have coverage you really need to think about you know i'm carrying a gun and i'm carrying a gun for a very specific reason and if i ever need to brandish that weapon and use it for that specific reason this is the reality here this is what's going to happen next and uh you know we're preppers we pride ourselves in being prepared so

i definitely recommend you looking into what ken's talking about here because it's a big deal you know ken i appreciate you coming on tonight man this is uh this is a way more informative show than my show is normally. I'm glad to hear that, and I appreciate the invitation so that we can share the word. This is a mission of sorts for me. I should probably be sitting on a boat somewhere drinking a beer and smoking a cigar, but I do this because it's a mission of sorts that I want people to be informed of the dangers that are in front of them in a self-defense situation.

All right. We appreciate that, man. We really do. It's a big deal, you know, and a lot of people like you said they're not thinking about it so um i think that's about it for the show tonight folks i'm gonna run some ads at the end here and uh we'll catch you guys next week for the i am liberty show stay tuned tomorrow we have the tool man we haveane D with the gun metal armory. And like I said, read them policies if you're holding them.

Make sure your ass is covered because it's like we always say, nobody's coming to help. It will be on you. There's no doubt about it. All right, Ken, I appreciate you, sir. I'll see you guys, PBN family, maybe tomorrow. I don't know. We'll see. We might do a little PBN Daily News in the morning. Talk to you soon, folks. See ya. Thank you for listening to the Prepper Broadcasting Network, where we promote self-reliance and independence. Tune in tomorrow for another great show and visit us at PrepperBroadcasting.com. Who wants free ammo? Our new sponsor, AmmoSquared.com, is a truly automated, set-it-and-forget-it ammo purchasing program. Pick your calibers, set your budget, select a shipping trigger, and ammo's coming to you.

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