The Prepper Broadcasting Network - ICFA - PBN Prepper Round Table with From 2016

Episode Date: August 30, 2025

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It came from the archives. This is the hour of... Oh, no, wait. This is the hour of... Oh, no, wait. This is not our podcast. No, it is not. and another show. It's a very special show. Thanks, Glenn, for the kind introduction, having us serve as hosts for this program. This is really, I think, a special program. We've got a lot of great hosts here from Prepper Broadcasting that have joined us today. I know we're going to be learning a lot from all of you guys. We've got a pretty big group. We've got five

different hosts from five different programs, and they're all, I think, live programs for the network. So don't be surprised if it gets a little bit rowdy, but let's keep it one at a time so everybody gets their message across. Now, I think I'm going to go right into it because I know with so many people we're going to have a lot of opinions and we're going to have a lot of discussions. So I think we should start by having each host tell us who they are and a little bit about their show.

What do you think about that? Is that a good idea, Amy? I think that's an awesome idea. All right. Well, ladies first, Kat, why don't you get it rolling? Tell us a little bit about you. and what your show is about. Well, thank you very much.

Thank you for having me. So I am Kat Ellis, and I have a show here on Prepper Broadcasting called Herbal Prepper Live, and we meet every Sunday at 7 p.m. And I discuss herbal medicine for preparedness. I'm in one of these unique little, I'm like a niche within a niche.

I am a prepper, but I'm also an herbalist, and those two worlds eventually color. And so we discuss all manner of things, whether it's acute issues or chronic issues and what do you do when the pharmacy runs bare? And, of course, you know, other prepping topics come up as well because that's part of it all. But, you know, that is a little bit about, I guess, me and my show. I got into it, I think, mostly because I was online in a number of prepper

forums and I would see people, you know, talking about, you know, what on earth would they do, you know, for, you know, whatever, I think it was like diabetes or other chronic conditions, you know, when medicine was just, you know, there wasn't going to be anything available and people were just kind of throwing their hands up in the air saying, well, there's nothing we can do, so whatever. I'm like, that's not true. It's not true. So I, rather than like screaming it, you know, through the keyboard, my angry typing, you know, I ended up just starting a and reaching out to people that way. Well, you're doing a great job.

I want to just tell everybody it's so important. I'm a conventional doctor and Amy's conventionally trained nurse midwife, but we believe in using all the tools in the woodshed, and Kat, you're really doing a great job getting that message out. Highlander, tell us a little bit about you and your show. All right. Well, you know, I've been here. Gosh, I'll say about a little over two years,

and my show is mainly around survival and tech stuff. It's a little bit of both. I like history, so I add a little bit of history in there. You know, I do stuff like all the preparer gadgets, you know, like transponders that you can use in a case you get lost, you know, the fire-starting stuff. I mean, it's focused around you can have electricity stuff, and have non-electricity stuff.

So I kind of focus around both of that. I also do stuff like cybersecurity and then, you know, real world security. And, I mean, I'm just kind of a mix between both. So I kind of do it all, I guess. Well, I think it's great to have the ability to figure out the tech, have the tech in place, even in situations where you don't have maybe electricity. You're off the grid. There are a lot of ways that you can sort of MacGyver things together,

so that you can thrive in times of trouble. So I think that's really awesome. You're worth your weight in gold, Highlander, that's for sure. Ray, you're up. Tell us a little bit about you and your show. Well, thanks, Joe. Thanks, Amy. This is Ray, and my show is on Tuesday nights at 9 Eastern.

And my specialty is basically watching the economy, doing a little bit of history and trying to, to show people how certain conditions have created themselves that we find ourselves in today. My main specialty is communications. I have a pretty thriving YouTube channel and I try to help people with getting their communications in order and basically try to spend each week and we try to cover a lot of territory because I believe it's going to be the account economy that's going to be the catalyst coming up. Well, I think it's important to stay up with current events.

Certainly, a lot of people believe we're in a downward spiral, and that certainly, I think, a possibility. We're going to be talking a little bit about that later in this show, so looking forward to hearing your opinions, Ray. We'll be keeping an eye on that. James, James Walton, tell us about your show. All right, folks. Well, the I.M. Liberty Show is live every Wednesday, 9 Eastern Standard.

And we'd like to focus on just the fact that community, in my opinion, is the most important part of preparedness, right? I've got a lot of great hosts that surround me on this channel. They do a great job covering all the basics, amazing group here at Prepar Broadcasting. And what I really like to focus in on is the power of the community and what we can do with our standard set of, neighbors that surround us. That really is the driving force of my show.

Now, that said, I'm also kind of a flake. So I'm a 30-year-old guy, father of two, you know, married man, a lot of interests. And sometimes we go off the rails on I Am Liberty and we might talk about poetry for an hour. Or we might

talk about, you know, fine art or whatever it is. But whatever it is that's on my mind, I bring it to you most of the time with a prepper spin on it. And, you know, I try to be as honest as I can about what it is I'm interested in and the show

the show title I Am Liberty is all about understanding that when you look at yourself in the mirror you have to understand that you are an integral part of this thing, this experiment we call Liberty and that's kind of where it all began and hopefully where it all will end so thanks so much for

putting this all together G man and guys for hosting it I really do appreciate it and that's basically the I Am Liberty show live Wednesday 9 p.m. Eastern You've got to come check it out. Well, absolutely, it looks like you've really honed in on community, and I think that's so important. I mean, if you've ever seen the TV show alone or naked and afraid,

you know that you might be able to survive if you were alone or with just one or other person, but boy, it's a pretty miserable existence. So you are definitely contributing, James. I appreciate it. Mike, tell us about, you know, Thank you. Mike, tell us a little bit about your show. Your show is coming up, right? Yeah, so, I appreciate I'm the last one because I got to get all my nervousness. Yeah, I'm the baby on the block.

Well, my show is going, the name of my show is Reality Check, and it will premiere next Friday, August the 4th at 9 p.m. And so the premise of my show is it is a no-b-s-life-skill show. It's going to contain some tough topics that are not. going to offend, they're going to upset, and that's just too bad. Life serves you a reality check. We're going to be covering death, sex, childbirth. We're going to be covering topics of, you know, do you let someone bleed out, or do you try to patch them up? We're going to be covering OPSEC, comm sec, advanced communications, all kinds of topics that some of the other mainstream prepper shows don't cover. So ours is going to be kind of a very needy-gritty-to-the-bone

matter-of-fact kind of show. A little bit about myself in the back. Right now, I do internal auditing and cybersecurity for a national bank. In the past, I've had experience with emergency management, FEMA, Red Cross, amateur radio. My background is kind of like Highlander. I have a background in computer and network security, but I also do two-way radios, communications, RF engineering, you name it. I've probably done it if it's technical. So I'm not an expert in any of this.

I don't claim to be, but I did stay at an express hotel last night. and I'll turn it back to you, Joe. Well, that's more information than I needed. I love all of you guys. I'm so happy. Well, sounds good, and I'll tell you, you know, your right, survival is a hard reality, and I think it's great to have people that are willing to give

other honest opinions on some of those hard realities. We certainly write and talk about that on our show, the Survival Medicine Hour. Now, let's start off our first. question is one that every prepper has an opinion on, and that is, what would you consider to be the most likely event or events to occur, natural or man-made, take your pick, that everyone should be prepared for, and how have you prepared for these possibilities? And, Mike, we're going to start with you first this time.

Oh, darn. Okay. Well, let me see. What keeps me up at night and bothers me. Well, the first thing comes to mind is always going to be a cyber attack. Oh, we're getting some feedback there from somebody. for a cyber attack, that can either be on the power grid or on a crucial SCADA systems. These are the systems that pump water, pump fuel, pump sewage. It might be localized to one area, but I think that eventually the hackers are going to get in and they're going to attack a major infrastructure, and it's going to be bad. One thing to remember with the cyber attacks is there is nothing anyone can do to prevent an attack.

I don't care who you are, what agency you are. You're not going to prevent an attack all the time. I live and do this every day. Hackers have to be lucky once. We have to be lucky all the times. Really and truly, it's only a matter of time for this happens. The other thing that bothers me is, of course, the EMP, CME. The thing about that is we don't know what's going to happen.

The scientists can't really predict what is actually going to happen when that goes off. Reason why is because we cannot accurately recreate test conditions. We can predict and we can theorize, just like we do with the weather. That's why the first step of science is a hypothesis. It's a guess. So EMEs and CME scare me just because of the uncertainty. The last thing that I think really bothers me and it's becoming more and more is civil unrest or civil war as a result of the EBT system crashing. So everybody knows, or at least you should know, or in my humble opinion, it's a known fact that a lot of the Antifa and a lot of the rioters and troublemakers are paid.

You know, they are actors, and CNN is their stage. These people come in, they stir up trouble, and the problem can be that if the money, if the banking systems go down, you know, Ray's tracking all that, and I said the other night that if I see Ray running, I'm going to try to keep up. But when you get these people that are poor, they're not going to be able to make any money, they're not going to be able to get any money. You combine that with the rioters. that's basically combining a match in gasoline.

They will see, and again, this is my opinion, but the Antifa crowd will see anyone who is not in their group as an enemy, and the idea is going to be, well, whatever you have, I'm going to take it. And people need to remember that desperate people do desperate things once the animalistic brain takes over. People do stupid stuff that doesn't make sense to rational people. So those are the three things that kind of worry to me the most. the way I would prepare for that is the way you would prepare for anything.

You need to make sure that you have a renewable source of food and water, a way to protect that food and water, and you need to have a plan for friends and enemies showing up because they will. You know, you can bug out, you can hunker down however you want to do it, but you need to expect the unexpected when it comes to your preps. And that's what I have to say about that one. Well, good. That's all I have to say about that.

Well, that's great advice, though, Mike. It's appreciate it. Tell a cat, why don't you chime in on this one? Okay. So I agree with a lot, with a lot of what was just said. Barring something like, I would say, like North Korea and Kim Jong Crazy Pants triggering World War III, I suspect that it'll be something, you know, either economic or, you know, an economic problem, coupled with the general divisiveness that exists today, especially, you know, it's an economic problem,

especially, you know, it's bred with this identity politics because people view themselves as part of their little group first rather than, you know, as an American first. Everyone is other. If they're not in their group, everyone else is other. Everyone else is an outsider rather than fellow countrymen. So there's no sense of, you know, unity or being bound with other people. There's no connection with these, because they're all these little, little, itty-bitty groups of, of I'm this or I'm that and so on.

And so we've got all our little groups that we identify with, and I think it's been extremely destructive. And I think that this is feeding into a lot of the violent protests, and I think we'll probably see more violent protests, more riots. And when you start combining sort of this, I don't want to call it acceptance of riots, but it's happening more and more. When you start combining this along with economic hardship, you get a really nasty downward spiral. And I also agree with problems with the EBT system.

Now, a couple of years ago, there was actually a little glitch there, and there were, I can't recall if it was nationwide or just on the East Coast, but there was actually a little small little blip in the matrix, I guess, with the the EBT system. And Walmarts were seeing a lot of problems because people were going to the register, swiping their cards, and the balances weren't in,

they weren't showing on the cards. And people were all, I mean, within a matter of, you know, maybe an hour to a couple of hours, we're getting really angry. And already, so they defused the situation. Walmart just kind of let everybody run their things through. They figured we'll just, we'll sort it out after the fact. I got a Walmart that is maybe four city blocks down the street for me

where they were starting to get loud and, you know, a little on the scary side for those cashiers down there. So that is something that I probably won't forget, not because I was there or anything, but literally just down the street from it. And when I heard about it, it was like, oh, wow, that's way too close for comfort. So that whole idea of we're like nine meals away from chaos, it's not nine meals away.

It's like a few hours away because when people, you know, are not going to be able to get their money out of the ATMs and they can't use the EBT system and they can't access all these electronic things that we've become accustomed to or they can't get their benefits and they've become dependent upon them. And there are a lot more people on those now than there ever were before, people who never anticipated. being on them, and if they're now dependent upon it, that's a lot of angry people who aren't going to know what to do and they're not equipped to handle that kind of the situation. However, regardless of what it is, the thing that, the thing I would say about it is that regardless of the specific event, disease is always going to follow a disaster. I actually have a whole, you know, section in my book prepping for a pandemic on that. And, you know, while food and water and ammo, I've got all that stuff. I've got that aside and I've got all those things. I'm really

concerned about those kinds of illnesses that are going to come up when you, you know, there's where there are hygiene issues, when there's a lack of sanitary facilities, you know, whether that's because society's been, you know, is breaking down or whether there's someone attacked into, you know, our power supply or whatever that may be. But eventually, you know, when something like that happens, people are going to get sick. And, you know, those things will, you know, there'll be outbreaks, you know, in your local area when those things happen. And your medical facilities are going to be bombarded with a whole lot of sick people. So, I mean, think about it. When municipal water departments stop providing safe water in major population centers, you know,

what's going to happen? What about when trash removal services stop? When rodents come into the mix, So those are the kinds of things that I'm focused on. I mean, when it comes to my preps, is making sure that, you know, I not only have enough for my family, but my little, you know, local area, whatever I can, you know, help with and the people that I network with, you know, just for when, you know, when those kinds of things, so you'd see, you know, a number of intestinal problems and, you know, hygiene is critical.

So that's kind of my concern for regardless of what the event is, there's an aftermath. So that's what I'm looking at. It's certainly very easy with enough casualties, with enough people to get sick in pandemics or epidemics for the medical infrastructure to drop. So this is something that makes a lot of sense,

Kat. So I'm glad you mentioned that. Highlander, are you on board with all this? Oh yeah, yeah, some really good comments there. You know, I've got a couple things to add. I don't know if you want me to list my things right now, but I can. Yeah. See, I go along with Kat a little bit. When she said something that really, really struck a nerve with me

when she's talking about rats and all the sewage and stuff like that, one of my biggest thing is a pandemic. and there's a reason why, and that's because people are becoming, you know, more and more immune to antibiotics, and, you know, a lot of people are allergic to certain things, and when she said that, you know, when the stuff starts stopping, like the trash removal and stuff, then you've got rats coming in, if I'm not mistaken, that's what started the plague years ago, and if something like a pandemic was the hit, you know, even if something stopped like trash removal, that could bringing a pandemic in with rats biting people or anything like that.

And to me, that's more scary than somebody I can see coming forward to me because the pandemic is something that you can't see happen. It can strike a huge population and then everybody's sick and then you might not have a cure for it. Everybody might be antibiotics might not be at a premium. You might be immune to it. You don't know. That's a huge thing for me.

and I'm kind of in the point where if I can see something coming, it's a little bit different than me not seeing something coming. Between that and a natural disaster, I think both of those are a huge risk of happening. Natural disaster to me, it's not really a question of, you know, when it's going to hit, you know, if it's going to hit. Those two right there, I think, that, you know, are the hardest to prepare for because you don't know when a pandemic

going to hit and you don't know when a natural disaster might hit you may know a couple hours before natural disaster but that's not a whole lot of time you know for those I just kind of try to prepare for you know enough antibiotics you know for state training you know natural disaster I try to you know live in a place where I'm not getting flooded a lot you know where I have natural resources around me when I don't have to worry about water and all this other stuff that that's hard to prepare for you know there's other stuff you can sort of prepare for but the two that I mentioned, it's really hard to. You're absolutely right.

You know, there's no, I own a home, or we own a home in Gatlinburg, Tennessee, and we were just a few hundred yards away from having our home burnt to the foundation last November. So I can tell you for a fact that these things always happen, pandemics, we're always have a limited ability to deal with those when the Ebola epidemic came around in 2014. we had a grand total of 19 hospital beds in units throughout the entire country throughout the United States that were able to handle the kind of isolation that was necessary. So it's something that we did learn from, and now we have many more beds that can handle things like that, but you could be really blindsided by a significant disease.

Ray, how about you? Tell us a little bit about what you think. Well, I want to thank you again for doing this tonight, Joe, and my colleagues, I absolutely agree with them, just about everything. I mean, literally everything. What I believe is going to happen is going to be related to the economy. The economy, as you know it, as it sits right now, is totally unsustainable. And I do not see a collapse per se, but what I do is I see some things occurring. as a result or as a catalyst of a great depression. I believe that our economy has been in recession since the collapse of 08. There has been no growth, zero growth, none. And I believe that we are going into the mother of all depressions going into this fall and possibly into 2018.

I think what you're going to see is you're going to see better. benefits being cut, I think you're going to see some hyperinflation where the money that you have will lose value very quickly. You're going to see people of the investor class. These are the people that are in the stocks, and they are going to take a major haircut. Everybody lost 30 to 40 percent during the collapse of 08. The collapse of 08 will seem like a picnic compared to what's coming. So I'm looking at the economy.

I'm also, I mean, there are some natural things like CMEs and there are some other conditions. But what I really am concerned about is the economy, which is going to trigger, you know, the inner cities. The people in the inner cities are going to run out of benefits. They're going to run out of entitlements. They are going to go on the prowl to get what they need, to get what they want. I believe once the cities have been pretty much used up, they're going to make their way out to the suburbs, and they're going to go after the people who have not prepared.

The people who have two homes and have two outies in the driveway, and they are basically their wealth is on paper, and everything they have is debt-based. They're the people that are going to die. Simple as that. They're going to die. and anybody who hasn't gotten prepared unfortunately is going to get run over

as far as my situation I believe that having cash sitting on cash and waiting until the bottom of this upcoming depression I'm going to call it three and a half years once it gets underway the bottom will be about three and a half years

if you're sitting on cash and you're not into anything else but you have cash and you have precious metals, you'll be able to prosper at that time. I also have gold and silver. I have solar power. I have food, long-term food already stored. I have a crisis seed vault. I have lots of water filtration, propures and burkeys. I have meds. I have medical kit from Doc Bones and Nurse Amy. I have plenty of ammo and security stuff, so that's basically, you know, I'm pretty much prepared, you know, but I don't think anybody is really ultimately prepared.

We say we are, but I don't think we are. Yeah, well, from a medical standpoint, I'll tell you, one major hemorrhage can take up a lot of bandages, so you're certainly right about that. I just want to say more than I think. Those people that you are just describing that are sitting, on paper money and have nothing in their houses those are

our neighbors and they are going to be so upset when this happens and Joe and I are just going to be dancing in the rain yeah well I'm not going to be

listen I had their neighbors too of mine because I live down the Jersey shore yo how you're doing but and they have their $500,000 condos and all that but you know it's going to be It is going to be a mess. A lot of people are going to be that.

You're absolutely right. Jim, last but not late. Yes, sir. All right. Well, one thing that I think we all, let me first say, how sweet is it to be surrounded by a group like this? That is some great, I mean, I almost got a little wrapped up in just what was being said, right? I mean, that's just a great group.

One thing I will say that I don't think got mentioned, that was my number one. And for preppers, it might be something that's in the bag already. But for newcomers and things like that, it's very important that we prepare for what I call kind of the regional. Because I think the regional is what we know. That's kind of the known. Like, where do you live and what do you deal with often? And get that thing sharpened to like a Muramasu blade. You know what I mean?

So if you're on the East Coast and you deal with hurricanes, Be prepared for the most powerful hurricane that the world can throw at us. You know what I mean? And understand that you're going to deal with them. That's one thing that I think is so important is that one of the things that I did when I first got into prepping was before I got real deep into it because I was hit early. I was hit as a new father and I was just a 25-year-old no-nothing. You know what I mean? And I was a week-to-week grocery shop or that type of thing.

and one of the things I did before I started diving into the radical was I said all right we get hit with hurricanes it happens I'm in Virginia and I said I'm going to get this hurricane preparedness thing locked up and then I'm going to move on to things that are more you know possibly could possibly happen so my first and foremost when it comes to preparedness is definitely locking down the regional and getting that just honed to perfection whatever that means does that mean food stores does that mean you know generator whatever it is but i think the regional is a very big one that we have to we have to take care of and i think some people rush over it because you get scared you read the articles and you read the you know you watch the videos you listen to the podcast and you're like it's all coming it's all coming to an end i have to buy silver but the regional i think is very important uh that said civil unrest is just we are so right for civil unrest, and we've seen it in action, and we're only going to see it in action more. People, there's so many people in the country, right?

They say 300 million, but how many are here illegally? How many people are undocumented, that whole thing? And how many people are just dealt a hand that is impossible? You know, I know a lot of people in the proper community of the conservative sort of leaning, and I am too on a lot of things, but there's no denying to some people, a lot of people. are dealt a hand that is just you know, if you're not a good looking person, maybe you're not really a smart

person, maybe you come from a wrecked family, we're dealing with swaths of people like that. They're all getting into college, you're all coming out of college, you're all thinking, why am I not making $60,000 $80,000 a year and living the life that I'm supposed to? And then they're all inundated with success

24-7, right? Every time you turn the TV on, it's a star, it's a movie star, it's a millionaire, it's a billionaire, Jeff Bezos is going to be trillionate, whatever it is, and you watch that stuff and man that stuff has an effect on society there's no doubt about it when you are inundated with other people's success

on a 24-7 it has an effect you look at yourself a different way you say to yourself why am I not successful we need to tax these rich people man they need to give me more money I need more money and I think that's all boiling over I think people

people who are struggling out there and I don't think it's the right thing but I think it's the thing that they're going to do I think they're just going to say I've had it I can't make it in this system either I'm not pushing hard enough but I won't admit that it's all going to boil over

it's going to boil over politically it's going to boil over socially culturally whatever it is you know and uh and the civil unrest is just going to continue to slowly creep I don't think it's going to be a big you know I don't think there's going to be an event

that's going to push everybody over I think it's going to slowly just creep into the point where we're like oh it's riots every day now riots every week now you know something like that until which is my next piece until the government can no longer stand it

and the people have had it and then they take things into their own hands and then we see something like a martial law scenario and I don't think it'll be a nationwide martial law so the civil unrest comes first that's ugly enough right we're going to deal with riots we're going to deal with the mob mentality

people are going to die there's no doubt about it hopefully the police can stifle it but when you really think about the police I mean, they're vastly outnumbered. And once the respect of the police is sort of demolished, and it seems like we're kind of on that path, right? Even politicians seem to be on this road of let's destroy the police and everything that they've tried to establish in their thin blue line.

Once that's out the window, then comes the martial law. People have no, we have no choice. And I don't think it'll be, like I said, I don't think it'll be national martial law. But I think it'll be pockets all over the nation, big cities at first, and maybe larger counties to come, and it may be off and on. You know, maybe this week, Baltimore is under martial law, maybe next week it's New York City or parts of, maybe it's Queens, something along those lines.

It's going to be an end of liberty, though, for Americans. It's going to be curfews. It's going to be, we've seen in how many situations, though it always falls under the radar. I'm a staunch Second Amendment guy, right? My hackles go up every time I see an assault on the Second Amendment. It's one of the most important things in my life. you know one of the things i i worry about at night more than anything

is if the day ever comes when people come to my door and say they need to take my guns because i think it'll be one of the greatest decisions i ever make in my life what do i do i run do i shoot do i do i do i stand do what do you do you do you hand them over it's a very deep decision but when we watch boston right we made a movie called patriots day i love this marky mark mark mark mark mark mark was hosted a movie called Patriots Day. And what they never talk about is they rolled through and took everybody's guns.

They instilled a curfew that night after the bombing. They took everybody's guns. Same thing in Katrina. They rolled in, curfew, took everyone's guns. Nobody even talks about it. It's a terrifying thing, martial law. And I think it'll happen out of pure necessity. So that's kind of where I'm at.

Prepare for your regional, because you know it's coming, right? You deal with tornadoes, you deal with earthquakes. What do you deal with? Be an ace at that first. Then be prepared for the civil unrest. There's a lot of unhappy people in this world. There's a million reasons why they're unhappy. And be prepared for the follow-up of the unhappy people, which is martial law.

Well, I'll tell you one thing that all five of you guys have put together a head incredible list. I mean, I've got actually each one of these things written down. And I look at these, and sure, maybe next week you may not be personally affected out there by one of these events that our hosts have pointed out and have described. But over the course of a lifetime, I mean, I think the chances aren't so small

that you're going to be hit by one of these things. So it just underscores to me, right. Right, it underscores to me the importance of being prepared. Now, let's talk a little bit. Glenn put together a survival scenario for us, and it goes sort of like this. uh you're on a camping trip in the wilderness with friends and family a disaster strikes

you happen to be safe in your surrounding area surrounded area surrounding area excuse me but you're isolated you know the event's going to last maybe about 30 days and then things will stabilize your party has to unfortunately remain where they are and so what are you going to do there's water their shelter glen's got the wild game and even wild edibles to force for out there, but what he's looking to find out is what are the three most valuable items to have? What would you, what are the three things that you would like to have there with you? Now, I'm going to start with, I'm going to start with Ray this time. Ray, why don't you tell us? Okay, Joe, in that scenario, there are the three things that I would

want to have, and again, Glenn stipulated that there's water. I say, water that's from where I'm from you know so everybody's water there's shelter there's wild game and food to forage so the three things that I'm going to have is a rifle

to hunt game I'm going to have definitely have my Kenwood tri-band ham radio handheld with me and I will have my I will have my doom and bloom

medical kit without a doubt I'm not even kidding about that I will have that because this is not a paid endorsement not a paid endorsement but but the stuff that you guys put together it's all ready to go bang

and I just I believe that those would be the three things that I would want definitely awesome Highlander why don't you go chime in on this I know Everybody's so polite. I know.

All right, well, let's go, let's go. Mike. I didn't do it. What are the three things that you would want to have with you? I didn't do it. What am I being blamed for? What is this Highlander? Is this Highlander?

No, this is Mike or Brian. Okay, Mike. Okay, Mike, you're there. Okay, awesome. Yeah, so, um, so since shelter is included. Three items, Mike. Yeah, since Shelter is included, that's awesome, because it's suck. to get rained on, I can tell you that.

So my items are, number one, is fire starting, some way to start a fire, because you need a way to cook and heat. A second item is going to be some type of weapon. That can be a knife, an axe, or a gun, anything that you can use to protect your family from two and four-legged animals. Number three, if everything else is included, then that's going to be a tough one. I don't know, because there's, like, there's so many things that you could think of. Like, I need this, and I need this, and I need this, and I'm actually going to just do it, too. I'm going to say, if you've got shelter covered and you've got food and water, you need a fire starting, and you need a method to defend yourself and or bad game.

And that's my answer. All right, sounds good. Final answer. And you are, you may have won a million. Those are good. That's a good answer. Cat, three items. a little, you know, relieved.

No, I'm here. I wasn't muted, but it took a while for the little deep thing to say that I just heard it go off. All right, so there's a little delay on that, I guess. All right, so the three things I would want. While water was mentioned, it didn't specify that there was a water filter, so I'd want a water filter. Ah, yes. Good point. No, no, no, he has water.

Oh, but not necessarily true water. Exactly, and I want to save my charcoal for my first aid stuff, so I want a water filter that, so some kind of straw or some kind of burkey or something, but whatever it is, I want a water filter. I also want a really, really good knife, and then I can make a whole bunch of other stuff as long as I've got a really good knife. And I might be cheating by saying this, but I want a first aid kit, and it's got all kinds of stuff in it. So that's not just one thing, but I'd want my first aid kit. There you go. All right. Sounds good.

Sounds good. Let's see. Highlander, are you there? All right. Well, let's go to James. James, give me three items. I wish I could wow you, but this is going to be pretty basic and pretty boring. I'm going to have the magnesium pharaoh combo, right, that we all.

all have. I'm sure we all have them. They come cheap. I've got plenty. I want that. I want to be able to start fire. Fire is very important. You can do a lot of things with it. I want my K-bar with me, right? Good sturdy, full tang blade that I can do whatever I need to do with. And just like cat sentiment, I want to make sure I have a way to filter water. So I'm going to bring my k-ed-in-water filter, my hiker with me. And, you know, that's got a rinseable filter. So that's going to help it's out for a long time until we figure out whatever kind of water catchment we want to put together

but that's really it I want to be able to start fire I want to have a great knife by my side and I want to be able to filter water beyond that we can catch some game we can for some food we can do some fishing all right sounds good sounds good well let's go to another scenario now you're

in a now you guys are in a group that you're in an abandoned house that you're in the outskirts of town instead of 30 days before, it might be a long-term event, matter of fact, and you might not be the only people in your general vicinity. Now, what do you think is going to be the major challenge to you, some of the major challenges? Highland, are you there? I'm giving you a shot. All right, well.

Highlander, you are there? Just type. Okay. Well, if you could type it, I'll just tell people. No. No, I need you to. speak highlanders speak he's not bad storm oh okay all right all right well no problem well we'll come we'll come back to you

let's see who would be a good choice let's go to I just came to James let's go to Kat Katz okay so what will be the biggest challenge major challenge people under stress

you know it's one thing to plan for things but when you When you're in the moment, you know, that's a whole different situation. And you can practice scenarios ahead of time, but it's not the same as when you're under stress. An example, we had a house fire a couple of years ago, and we were living on the third floor of our house at that time. We've since relocated to the first floor, and I won't ever live up on a third floor again because I never, ever want to ever have to look down and see all that smoke coming up those, coming up that stairwell. But we'd practiced this. This wasn't, you know, something that, you know, as a family, we had just sort of, like, forgotten about.

We practiced drills, you know, for getting out of the house and gotten, you know, the kids getting out of the house. And now, my son, you know, he did just fine. He followed instructions. He did exactly what it's supposed to do. My daughter was frozen at the top of the stairs and had to be carried out. Oh, that's true. You know, you just don't know. That's a natural response, too, yeah.

So sometimes when something is so traumatic and something's going on at that moment, you know, people don't always respond the way you think that they will. And then when people are under stress, now it's not just that event, but it's an ongoing thing, especially over the course of a whole year. You know, stress builds up over time. People's tempers get short. You know, if you got a ration food, your temper is going to get a little shorter, a little quicker possibly.

People don't always think so clearly when they're under stress. So people are going to need to have really good conflict resolution skills. People are going to be very self-aware, self-awareness of when these things are kicking in would be great to have. And people who have some, you know, really good, the ability to diffuse a situation, I think would be pretty critical to have. You need somebody with a calm demeanor to be working with a group there because, I'll tell you, you're going to have people that are under stress, and just like you say, Cat, and I'll tell you, tempers will flare, so you need somebody that can be a calming voice in there.

I think you'd be good at that, actually. I think that, you know, I would do my best. I would do my best. There you go. All right. Highlander. Let me hear your voice. I'm back.

I'm sorry about that. Praise the Lord. I'm so glad to hear it. Now, listen, okay, real quick, before we move on, three items. Okay, the three most valuable items. Okay, the three most valuable items here. You know, I did hear a mention, before I lost connection, there are a rifle.

Now, a rifle's good. Of course, you can run out of ammo, so, of course, it's 30 days. You may or may not. Now, I'm going to, the first thing I'm going to probably bring is a bow, because with a bow, you can take game with it. and you can reuse the ammo. You know, it depends on if you destroy them out. You can reuse the arrows.

So, to me, a bow would be more valuable than a rifle. That's just me. I mean, other people may think differently. Now, you do say there's water. Of course, water could be good. It could be bad. So I want to bring some way to purify water, you know, either a type of filter system, you know,

activated charcoal, you know, ferdinandil, something to boil it. I mean, anything like that. And the third thing I'm probably going to have is some way to start fire, because if you don't have a way to start fire, you can't cook your meat, you can't be warm, you know, you can't ward off animals. I mean, to me, those three things are probably the things to keep you alive within those 30 days. There you go.

All right. Sounds good. Now, this question, now you're in an abandoned house. You're in the outskirts of town. People in the vicinity that are not part of your group. You have to be there, maybe long-term. And what is the major challenge, do you think? Besides staying alive, I guess.

The major challenges I see, of course, is food and water. That's the two biggest things. You know, I'm not going to have life about it. The next thing that I can see is basically medical needs because we take for granted now. If we get cut or something, we can go wash it off, put products out on it, you know, Band-Aid, whatever. You're not going to have that luxury. You know, if something does happen, you know, a simple thing. cut may lead to infection and may kill you.

You know, to me, medical type of background or medical supplies are going to be key, and that's going to be a huge challenge when, you know, this stuff is not readily available. Okay, okay. I think those are excellent choices. Good for you. Let's see who we've got here. Let's go to Ray. Uh, Joe, I would say that with this scenario, the five of us,

in an abandoned house for about a year I would say some of the biggest challenges would be you know who's going to take the lead I'm prior military

you know and I would check with each person find out what their capabilities are what their strong points are what they I think you would want to do an inventory immediately

and find out who's capable of doing what but I would I would think the biggest challenge would be on the outskirts of a town is going to be outsiders. I think that's the biggest challenge. It's going to be a security type situation where you're going to have to make a lot of decisions, a lot of life and death decisions almost every day. Yep, I think that makes a lot of sense on it. You're actually very organized about this. I mean, It sounds like you would have a plan of action to put together a group.

But James, you're into a community survival, and so tell us a little bit about what you think. Yeah, sure. I mean, we're in a house, so I think what we're dealing. Ray kind of echoes exactly what I'm thinking, and that is I'm going to play to the strengths of everyone. I'm going to take a page from one of my favorite podcasters ever, which was Sam Kaufman over at the Human Path in Texas,

survival school he did a show here on prepper broadcasting called the herbal medic and at his uh school he has some he he has created some really awesome detailed sort of job titles that fit for these prepared communities and i just really like them and when this quote and i read this question i started thinking you know i started thinking who we're going to have is the herbal medic you know we're going to play to the strengths of people around us and and if if anybody in that group's going to take care of me i wanted to be cats right if I get sick I want cat to take care of me when I think about security and and that's sort of a mindset I think about Ray he's got he's got previous military experience I want a guy

like him and and handling things like that I've got a lot of experience in fishing a lot of experience in cooking I was a chef for many years before I get into any of this and they explain that there's a position or sort of a title in that survival community called the provider who does a lot of the hunting, a lot of the forging, a lot of the cooking, a lot of the preserving. So I feel like my skill set would probably fit in good there. As far as Highlander goes, I mean, there's another one called the off-grid engineer. You know, and it's a guy who's good with technology, good with tinkering, that type of thing. And what I know about Highlander, I feel like he'd be our guy. He'd be the guy who could put together our water catchment systems. He'd be the

guy who could put together maybe an aquaponic system out of scrap, you know? And then I think about Michael, and I say, well, Michael's the guy for the bartering system, right? We want to set up, we're going to have these people around us. So either we're going to interact with them or we're going to kill them. That's our only option, right? Either we're going to say, look, this is what we can do together. If you don't want to get on board, then it's going to get ugly. That's the only option we have.

So I feel like Michael could take the reins on some sort of, some sort of either monetary system or some sort of bartering system. And in that regard, I feel like we're taking care of everyone's strong suit, right? We've got Kat with her medical experience. We've got me with my cooking and food experience. Highlander with his, you know, that off-grid engineer, Michael with his economic experience, and Ray with his experience in the military concerning himself with security, setting up perimeters, that type of thing.

So, yeah, just like Ray said, I'd play to the, strength of the people with me, and we'd have success. Sounds great. It sounds like you, another organized person looks like this group is well on the way of success. How about you, Mike, are you okay with the role that James will assign you? Yeah, I'm just going to copy off everybody else's answers. Yeah, no, I absolutely love the fact that we'll barter, and if I don't like it, I'll just kill them.

Hey, that works for me really well. So the number Getting dark Really quickly. I like Mike already. Well, then you should tune in. You should come back next Friday because it's going to get a lot worse.

So my number one thing is, of course, defense of the house. If we're on the outskirts of the town, we're going to have the visitors. It will be crucial to maintain, you know, a security watch or an observation post or a listening post. Another one is going to be adding new people to the group

because we're going to get visitors, but some of them are going to bring useful skills. So interviewing people, vetting them out, you know, some of them you have to say audios. Some of you have to say, you know, hey, welcome to the club. And then third one, I think Ray hit on this really good, is getting the group to understand that, you know, while there will be one leader, we are a whole unit. You know, we're going to be a family, and it's going to be crucial not to form cliques or alliances. You know, this is not the survivor. You don't get voted off the island. We have to make this work. So, you know, skill sets. It's a

since everybody was throwing out skill sets, the ones that I would be really good at is communications intelligence gathering. I can basically hack into any form of two-way radio communications. So I would be your person to hear what the enemy is doing and know what all the movements are around the house. So those are my three. All right, Highlander, you're going to chime in on this a little bit. Yep, that brought up a good scenario.

I see it a lot with groups, and you can see it now. It's not just a S-H-T-F type thing. You'll have a group dynamic where you might have two alpha males, and they're not going to agree, and then you're going to have resentment, and people aren't going to say, well, that person I'm not leading right, this person not leading right. And I think a way to solve all that is with these group of people, have a central vote for everything that happens in a group,

and not just one leader. That's the way I would do things just personally. Just have a central vote, and then everybody agrees on it, and there's no resentment built up. Yeah, I think that that's really the complication, isn't it? You know, getting people to agree, people to agree on even basic stuff. Like, in other words, who's going to be weeding the garden? In the middle of the summer. Right.

When it's hot as heck. Right. Who's going to be lugging the water from the local water source? You know, these are tough. It seems simple, but, you know, it's a complicated thing, and the sharing of duties, you know, some people feel that they're just want to be the tactical people and just patrol the perimeter while other people are digging latrines. It's just not going to work that way.

No, it's not. So it's tough. It's tough. So I think we already got, I was going to ask what people's contributions to the group would be. It sounds like we're pretty hip on the contributions. Anybody else have a special skill they would like? like to mention, go ahead and blurt it out. Well, I don't know that anyone's mentioned this, but eventually over time, you're going to

have to replace your clothes, and I'm sort of a fiber nut. I spin, I weave, I knit. You know, you'd be very surprised at how much you're going to be happy to have a nice new pair of socks, and you can make fibers from various plant materials, but if there's a sheep anywhere nearby, I got you covered. there you go awesome right I'm serious I love the sound effects

I know well very good very good that I think I think that's awesome you know you're worth your weight in gold absolutely if you can do that well you know what let's move on and already at an hour

wow this has been really interesting let's switch gears for a second and let's discuss the situation in our country's having. Many people think we're going a heck in a handbasket. If you could make one change that could be implemented pretty quickly, could benefit our citizens, move

us in the right direction, what do you think it would be? And I'm going to start with you, Mike. Okay, well, I may make some people mad here, but I'm going to say term limits on Congress and actually punish people.

If you're caught doing something bad, you're out. And you get put back into general population and you get to become a regular citizen. No specials, no special health care, no tax breaks, nothing. Make people accountable for their actions and put the fear in them. You know, you work for us, dude. If you don't work for us and you don't do what we like, we toss you out. And you become a regular, you know, Joe Schmoe that has to panhandle or whatever else.

So that's what I say. There you go. Ray, I think you have an opinion on this. Absolutely. what I would want is I would want if I were the king for a day I would repeal

every law and every amendment and I would take us back to what existed here in the United States during the administration of Andrew Jackson and I would make sure

that slavery was abolished but pretty much I want the Federal Reserve Act repealed. I want the 16th, 17th Amendments repealed. I want all the taxes that we've been hit with. We have 162 taxes now that did not exist in 1895. So I would want all that repealed all the way back to Andrew Jackson's administration when he paid off the debt. And he kicked the crap out of the central bank. Ah, well, well, you know what? I think that's pretty, Obviously, you've been thinking about this a lot.

Let's move on to James. James, what do you think? Well, I've got a pretty radical idea, and I've been on it for a while now, maybe about three or four months, and it's in the new book that I'm writing about neighborhoods and neighborhood cohesion. I'm ready to be done with the presidency. I'm ready to just be done. I don't think, I think we've outgrown a president. I think that we've, we have completely outgrown a president.

I look at my own state like Virginia, and I say to myself, what does this state need? This state needs more representation, right? I have Northern Virginia, Northern Virginia, eastern Virginia, southern Virginia, and Mountain Virginia, and Mountain Virginia, might as well be four different countries. there is such diversity because the amount of population in those areas and the way they live and what they believe and to me I think it's time for more representatives

more voting right so we vote more imagine a nation where we vote on things like war imagine a nation where we vote on things like health care everyone tells us we need health care do we need health care who said so do we get to vote on it we have refugees pouring into the nation

did we get to vote on it? We don't get to vote on the issues that matter, and that's the problem with the nation right now. One of the big reasons is because we put all the eggs in the basket of one man. And for the last eight years, it was Barack Obama, and now all of a sudden it's Donald Trump, and how do you feel about that? We don't want any more kings, no more kings.

The time has come that we, however we have to restructure. Go ahead, my man, I'm sorry. Do you still accept the idea of having representatives? like a house of burgesses I think we need more I think we need more representatives because as the population grows Joe

we have more people plugged into an area and these states become chunked up and more diverse than ever you know if you know anything about northern Virginia and central Virginia they could have a civil war in this state they're so different

you know you have a progressive liberal right around D.C. environment you go to central Virginia man there's rebel flags flying. It's a whole different world. And we get just these little few amount of representatives to go to Congress and speak for the whole state. So I think with the population, the time for the presidency has passed, right? It's a popularity contest. It's a joke, in my opinion. And I think it's time for more representation and more voting. Vote every year. Vote every two years and vote on the things that matter. You want gun control. You want gun rights. You want to see other people feel

about marijuana, you want to see all they feel about medical, uh, health care, things like that, then we vote on it. That's all. And the votes are then, it's a novel. The votes are then taken to the representatives. The votes are then taken to the representatives. And the representatives then put together a team of experts. This is America. We have the greatest minds of the world. So the representatives build the Elon Musk's and they go and grab the experts, put them together, and they deal with the problems. You figure out the problem. And we don't need Donald Trump. We don't need Barack Obama. We don't need you. We don't need them. We have brilliant people. We're not getting

brilliant people to run for the president. Who the hell wants to do that job? I know. Right? So that's what I would do. I'd say. I think you're right. That's what I would say. I'd say it's time for the guillotine for the presidency, in my opinion. Well, I think you have a good point. And if you think about the people who not only live in

counties or large areas, think about the people who live in states like California or Oregon or Washington, or Illinois, or Maine, or New York, who are never, ever, ever going to have their voices heard if there's anything other than ultra-liberal. Never. Right. You've got the Northern Californians who are in love with the outdoors,

in love with the mountains, in love with conservative values, and they don't have any say, and that's what goes on in that state, it's Hollywood. Right. Yep, you're absolutely right. Highlander? what do you think how can we fix that you know

I agree exactly with James because that's exactly what I was going to say the thing with it is you I don't know it's kind of hard to explain you have a lot of people that vote for stuff that they really don't know what they're voting for if anybody ever remembers Jay Leno I love that show he did a thing called jay walking he'd go ask normal people normal questions and they just couldn't answer it

it was just like simple questions everybody should know and they just don't answer and he asked stuff about elections and you know he asked one person you know should they elect you know a dead president

and they said yes you know they were just like they were so out of touch with reality it would just boggled my mind and to me this country was written for the people by the people that's kind of our motto

you know but it seems like the people are just simply not interested anymore If you were to have a popular vote for stuff, it would get more people interested, more people, you know, they wouldn't complain because they have a vote. They would say so and what happens, you know. It's just like what James said. You know, a lot of this stuff the president says, we have no choice no matter.

If we had a popular vote, then stuff would change. You know, people would be more interested. People would, you know, come out of their shell and actually get, you know, interested in this, that, and the other. I mean, but to me, I think a popular vote would definitely, you know, be handy and, you know, whether or not we have a president or not, you know, it should be held with a, you know, dealt with a popular vote. That's just my opinion. There you go. Kat, what do you think about all this?

Well, I think that I would like to see, I would like to see something like Switzerland has where they have such a level of readiness. on an individual basis, and it's built into their new home construction and new apartment construction, even like if you have like a retail location, it's built into it. There are survival shelters built into basements underneath all new buildings that are stocks, and it's just part of what they do. Why would anyone ever bother invading Switzerland? Everybody's ready, like at a moment's notice, to shelter in with supply. and they've got, you know, their firearms and ammunition, they're ready to go.

But to that, I mean, I think in general I would like to see instead of this sort of reliance on, oh, let's say FEMA's going to come in and save the day. Yeah, right. We've seen that in action. They're going to come in. They're going to save the day. We're waiting for help to come in from the outside. And sometimes, I'm not going to say it's never, you know, necessary, but we can't rely on

that. I think, you know, we've seen enough scenarios where, you know, it's been shown, we can't rely on that. And that's kind of why I like that the model that Switzerland has where, regardless of where you are, you could get to a shelter, you could, and there are supplies all ready to go. But I'd like to take that and make that more of, like, even more sustainable than that. I think one area that that could be done with would be with food security, food production. and bring that back to a local level. Because, I mean, one of the big problems is, what are you going to do when lots of people are hungry? But what if, you know, and I'll just state this up front, I'm more of a libertarian with heavy monarchist meanings.

I don't like laws. I don't like them. I don't like regulations. I shouldn't say I don't like laws. I don't like regulations. Don't regulate everything into oblivion. However, this I think would actually be beneficial if we shifted the focus of power from the central government to, you know, state and local governments, and if we could use, let's say, local parks or public lands that, you know, that are doing what, you know, I mean, parks are wonderful and we need to have recreational spaces. But what if we took a portion of each of them and converted them to food production, things that, you know, thrive in, you know, in your local area?

What if we had that as opposed to being dependent upon just a few locations within the United States, let's say, and that would be vulnerable to droughts in California, or, you know, these large monoculture farms are, you know, in various, you know, various places around the country are all very vulnerable to you know there's a bad year in that region you know and or a disease yeah or disease in a particular crop uh especially monoculture sure yeah and we're so reliant upon bringing food in from outside the country um i mean i'm sorry but like when i go to the grocery store to buy a you know a couple of organic peppers and i see that they've been imported from israel i'm thinking couldn't somebody in a greenhouse somewhere here have produced a couple of bell peppers

for me, and I'm pretty sure someone could. I mean, we're so used cat to having bananas in Montana in January that we've lost that local, you know, eat local attitude. However, if you go to Europe, especially Germany,

yes, exactly. Every town, every single town And it's not that everyone has a garden in their own back yard. They have community gardens where they have plots that have been planted for generations by the same family. Generations. Yeah, and they'll go and they'll get their food from the local markets on a daily basis and so on. But it's locally produced. But if you have that, you have a lot of food security.

And if people know that they're not going to be hungry, that's a huge. You know, that's a huge stressor that's removed in a, oh, let's say, in an economic downturn, you know? I mean, that's one area that you're not necessarily going to have to be so concerned about. It's a huge one. Like I was saying earlier, when, you know, people at Walmart were freaking out because their EBT cards weren't working, you know. I mean, that was just within a couple of hours, you know, it probably wouldn't be that big of a deal, you know. I mean, if, let's say, for landscaping plants on public lands, they were using food-producing plants and had this available, or I don't know, I mean, if you've got a, if you've got companies, like I know a number of them in these industrial parks, because I've been, you know, I've been scouting them out there. Like, I think this would be kind of a neat thing.

They've got these big, big lawns that nobody's using that are wasting water. I'm sure they're spraying chemicals on that. But what if they stopped that, what if the cities that they were in could give them a break on their property taxes for making a portion of that unused land available for food production? So I think that would just relieve a whole lot of tension in bad situations to begin with. And we wouldn't see quite the, I mean, there'd be violence on my things there wouldn't. be, but you'd get rid of one huge cause of it, or at least mitigate a lot of it, if people were not, you know, wondering, how am I going to feed my kid? Because if I have to wonder, if I got to, now, it's one thing if it's where it was my meal

coming from, but, you know, if I got to wonder how I'm going to keep my kid full, you know, if my kid is going hungry, then I'm going to do whatever I got to do to get my kid fed. And a lot of people are going to be just like that. So if we could alleviate that portion of it, I think that would, at least those good people, you know, you say good people will do bad things when bad times come, that kind of thing. I think it would probably be able to prevent some of that if that were the case. Absolutely. Absolutely.

Hey, you know, we believe that knowledge is power around here. And, boy, we've been really treated to a lot of knowledge by our host tonight. but you know a good survival library might also help you succeed when everything else fails and what do you guys think would be the top three books that everybody should have on hand now one book that you can't mention is to is you cannot you cannot include a book called the survival medicine handbook the essential guy for what medical help is not on the way now on amazon shameless shameless flagg all right now so jamesles plug all right now so james James, what would be the three books that you would want to have?

If you had to have only three books in your survival library, what would they be? Sure, yeah. Let me preface this with, I am one of those guys who was excited about the latest things he's read. So, you know, latest books, latest everything. One thing I always return to, and since I'm not allowed to mention your book, I mention this one, I had a host not long ago. His name is Ralph LaGuardia, and he put together something. called the doomsday book of medicine and it's a thousand word bible on just that right and not only is it

not only is it on medicine not only is it on treating i like the way he's broken it up he's broken it up kind of by body part how do i treat the eye how do i treat the lung how do i treat the this you know what i mean it's it's and he also has a lot of alternative medicine in it as well uh the doomsday book of medicine would be one of my picks for sure this is going to sound like a shameless plug and whatever. I don't really care what you think, to be honest. I love the shape. I love the

content. I love the size of Preper Survival Navigation by G-Man. I got the book from Ulysses Press. The size of the book is so perfect to throw in your bag and the content is so great, I would say that would be one of my books for sure.

Preper Survival Navigation by Glenn Martin. It's out. Get it? You know? I really like that book. I think that you take an SAS survival book and you look at it and then you take Preper Survival Navigation and you look at it and you see a lot of those things that you pull out of SAS but you also get a more in-depth navigation

and I think about what you're really going to deal with in a survival situation. If you make that incredible decision to bug out, right, which is I always say that the Nat Geo show was one of the worst things that ever happened to Preppers ever and because they placated the bug out so much. It was like a little routine that families did, hey, we're bugging out, grab the bags, and run.

But if you decide to really do that and to really face it, you're going to be moving, you're not going to be staying stagnant, and navigation is so huge, and no one knows how to do it. Nobody, right? We have people who camp and they camp all the time. They don't know how to navigate. They don't have to read a math. They don't want to use a compass.

Very important skill. The other one would be from my fellow Virginia, Tim McWelch, uh the man he works for outdoor life he's a great guy and he has a great book that's called uh how to survive anything and what i like about this book is it's a bridged it's a bridge and it's a bridge and it's scenario based and there's things about the wilderness there's things about urban survival it's a it's a great snapshot of quick information on on basically how to survive anything you know it's not super detailed again another great sized book i think book size is something

that you really have to consider because you may be leaving you know you may be running out you may have to throw a book in a backpack uh and this is one of those books also how to survive anything by tim mc welsh is another great book those would be my three prepper survival navigation the doomsday book of medicine how to survive anything by tim mc welsh that would be my three all right sounds good Highlander what do you think well

James mentioned one of mine and I was going to say to doomsday book of medicine he mentioned that so we'll skip over that one now the next one is also by Tim McWelch it's called the outdoor life

hunting and gathering survival manual that's a great book for you know if you just want to you know survival and plants and you need animals I mean it's a great book I'd highly recommend it

the next one is If anybody knows me, I do like security. I like being secure. The SAS Survival Handbook by John Loviman. That's a great book to have. A lot of people are kind of lack on security, so I think that that's a great book to get. Okay.

All right. Sounds good. Ray? What do you think? Ray, you there? Hello Hello, can you hear me? There we go, yep.

All right, all right. I'm here, I'm here. Okay. While you took away your book, which was dirty. That was dirty pool. That was dirty pool. I would say my first book

is going to be Field Manual 21-76-1 Survival, Evasion, Recovery. That's an Army Field Manual. Right, Army Field Manual, right. Second one would be 1881 Household Cyclopedia.

That's my second one. third one one acre homestead written by Sarah Simmons McDonald I think I've read I think I've heard about one acre

yeah I think I've gotten one acre homestead a big feed a family of four pretty well with that I think was that the family of four book yes and what I did was I took all the books

and with the Kindle you can email yourself a PDF file of your books so I got your book and I have these others and all the field manuals and then I print out hard copies and I also have

copies of them on thumb drives all right cool sounds good Highlander you had a comment yep It's kind of related and not, but the premise to have a book with is great. However, me coming from a technical background, I really love the nooks, and I love the E. If anybody knows what E. Inc. is, it's a type of tablet that is only black and white,

and it literally lasts, the battery will last like two months, so then you have to charge it. But it will last that long, and you can put dozens and dozens and dozens of books on it. I would really recommend one of those for anybody. that's going to be a prepper. There you go. Okay, son. That's good advice. Mike, what do you think?

I think everybody's copying my answers. I'm going to take my ball and go home. Everybody's cheating. Well, my number one was going to be something that rhymes with room and bloom or something like that. I'm going to choose where there is no dentist, where there is no doctor, and the Encyclopedia of Country Living. And I'm going to go one step further, and I'm going to have the paperback, and then I'm also going to have the PDF, but I'm not going to put it on a Kindle.

I'm going to put it on a thumb drive and a CD-ROM so that an EMP won't wipe it out. It might wipe out the computer that I'm going to run it on, but at least I got the CD in a minor bag, in a fair day cage, buried out in Montana, you know, so those are my three. Sounds good. Kat, what do you think? It just takes her a second for her. No problem. I'm mute.

All great books. I think we have all of them. Oh, there he is. Yeah, I was talking. Someone muted me, so that wasn't me. But anyway, I think that you all have taken a lot of my recommendations So, all right, I've had to review, I've had to revise this several times just since people started talking. All right, so the first thing that I'm going to mention is a little bit of shameless self-promotion is Preper's Natural Medicine, which is my book.

Absolutely. This is a crash course in herbal medicine, and the purpose of this here is to give you skills in order, so it's not just okay, you can go out and you can locate. the plant, so you know what to do with it once you have it. This is not a plant ID book. You would need something different for that. But it teaches you skills. It teaches you the therapeutic properties of 50 different herbs that can be grown pretty much anywhere in the U.S. And it's got a bunch of formulas to get you started. And then you can certainly, you know, go from there. But if this is, if I took my, you know, everything that you need to know and condensed it in a one place, That was my stab at that.

After that, I'm going to take this in a little different direction here. If I had to have, these are books that I would absolutely want to have. They're not necessarily easy to pack. They're kind of big, but that's, you know, it is what it is. The next one is stocking up three. This is like the Bible of Food Preservation. So if you don't want to like keep all that, you know, up in your hands, while you're, I mean, because there's only so much, like, rams in your brain, you know,

and, you know, you need to refer to things every once in a while. I mean, this covers everything from dehydrating to canning to smoking to just about whatever, any way that you could want to preserve food. So the next thing, I'm going to go in a little different direction because I haven't heard anyone talk about it yet and this may be in I think it's an important issue to bring up because something that's not going to stop during emergencies is people are still going to have babies and that's not going to stop because of an emergency or because of ShtF or the apocalypse or anything else so I want to toss my hat in there for birth emergency skills training

a manual for out-of-hospital midwives by Bonnie Groenberg Berg. I mean, I've got, there's, I have some of the other midwifery books, but, I mean, we're specifically for this kind of a situation. That would probably be my, my pick. All right. Sounds good. Absolutely. Well, you know, you certainly have covered the medical field pretty solidly with that. I want to mention one of the midwifery book. And certainly natural medicine with Katz book. Oh, yeah. Another good memory book is by Varney. Although I don't know. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

No, it's what I, that was my Bible when I was in my master's degree. Barney's Midwifery is still on Amazon. You can get it there. Oh, good. Yeah, I still have my copy from when I was in school. Well, let's see. We're beginning to wind down, guys. I want to make sure that we get all the pearls of wisdom that we can from you guys.

So I want you to give us one piece of advice to someone maybe new to press. new to self-sustainability. If you had to give one pearl of wisdom, one nugget from that noggin of yours of knowledge, then what would that be? Highlander, we're going to start with you. I don't think I've started with you. I started you off with one of the questions,

so let's start you off. All right. Well, here's the thing. I see so many preppers get what I. Now, this is what I call it. I call it the Rambo Syndrome. them. People are so confident that they're going to go out, they're going to be Rambo, they're going to take care of people, they're going to survive, they're going to do this and that.

The biggest thing that I can probably recommend people is do not get yourself overconfident, and I see that so much. People just think, well, I've got a year of food, I'm good, you know, I've got all my survival skills, I watch TV, so I'm good, you know. That's the biggest thing, just don't be overconfident. There you go. Sounds good. Sounds good. James, what do you think? What's that nugget of knowledge that you've got

that you're going to share with the class? Well, I've got to beat the I am Liberty Drum. That's what I have to do here. The nugget of knowledge that I'm going to tell you is that we have to start looking at the neighborhood. Your neighborhood, just like my neighborhood, just like every neighborhood in America, unless you're one of these people

who lives already on your survival retreat and your nearest neighbors two miles away, I can't help you. But for the vast majority of people, who live in neighborhoods, remember, despite the bumper sticker, despite whatever it is that you think they believe in or what you think they are, you think they're progressive, you think they're a liberal, you think they're a conservative, you think they're this or that, what they truly are is your fellow van. What they truly are is an expert, right? They're working in a job,

they have hobbies, they have expertise. So for so long there was this idea that we can create this perfect, perfect community. And it was like the NFL draft, right? I want to the high level doctor. I want the guy who knows how to blacksmith. I want the guy who is a gun nut. I want the guy. It's never going to happen. It's never going to happen. True unity in this nation is going to come

through our neighbors. It's going to come through our communities. It's going to come through community gardening in the neighborhood. It's going to come through neighborhood watches in the neighborhood. It's going to come through communicating with your neighbors on a regular basis. So my one nugget is get outside.

Talk to your neighbors. Don't tell in the world's coming. to an end, ask them about their kids, what's going on in their life, you know, show them that you care. Be a human being. John Don, ancient man, John Don, in his meditation 17, said, among many things that are quotable, he said, any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind. And that is the penultimate quote going forward in the 21st century. Any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind. So that's my nugget of information. That's what our goal should be, right?

The preservation of mankind. I love it. What is the ultimate? You gave us the penultimate. What's the ultimate? Well, the ultimate is another quote that I really like, and it says, what one can do, one must do, and that's more personal, right? We cut ourselves very short, and I think what one can do, one must do.

let's see ray what do you have to say um is my mic open yes i hear you fine okay sorry um thanks amy thanks amy's got a bug in her shorts again she's got anne i'm really enjoying this show you guys have all been so awesome no this has been awesome i'll tell you everybody is really have i'll tell you G, man, you came up with a great idea. Fantastic. I would say to people that are new to the prepping community or survival community, I would say, do not try to do everything. Don't try to slay all the dragons at one time because you can't.

No one can. And also, don't try to go by somebody else's video or somebody else's list because everybody's needs are going to be unique. Your needs are going to be different than my needs. I live in an apartment. You live in a 2,000 square foot house with 10 acres. My needs are going to be totally different than yours. What I highly recommend is I highly recommend that people go to one of the LDS sites,

Latter-day Saints. They're big on prepping and food stores. and on the LDS site is a massive checklist. It is something that I believe everybody should have. And it covers, I mean, believe me, this checklist is massive. But don't get overwhelmed. You can do little things each week. You're going to have to make some changes.

You're going to have to drop the subscription for 1395. to have NFL on demand, or you're going to have to drop going to the bar and plunking down $50, you know, to get drink. You're going to have to make changes because you have to look at physical assets. And whatever you accumulate, and this is the most important, whatever you accumulate will never lose value. It will appreciate in value. If you go to Sam's Club right now and you bought a $2.

24 pack of toilet paper, and you put it in your storage, and you took out that toilet paper next July, I guarantee you that that toilet paper that you take out of storage will cost less than if you had to go to the store and get it in July of 2018, and that's because of inflation. Prices aren't going up, darlings. The value of the dollar is being diminished. That's what's really going on. So don't take everything on at the same time. Do it in stages. There are out there people that will show you that you have to put things in order, yes, but there are certain orders that apply to different people. You know, you could go water, you need water. Everybody needs water. Water should be the number one thing. Food. You should have food. So you just got to find

what works for you because everybody's situation is totally different. Well said, well said. Cat, your turn. Cast a pearl of wisdom. So the one bit of advice that I would have, well, I would resist the urge to just go out and spend your way into being prepared on day one. You're going to buy stuff that you probably don't need and probably pay more than you really need to for it.

And instead of doing that, I would probably probably. focus on things like, oh, I don't know, getting a little bit more fit, getting ready to, you know, I mean, if people think, oh, I'm ready to bug out, I've got my maps, I'm going to go, if you ever walked it, can you really walk it? You know, and the reason why I say that is because, according to the CDC, one out of every two adults in the U.S. has a chronic illness. So I'm just wondering, you know, can you actually do? the things that you need to do.

And if you can't, then I think you should probably try to get to a point where you can. The other thing that I would say going along with spending your way into being prepared, another way to go around that might be to look into primitive skills because you may not be able to take your stuff with you if you have to leave and at least then you can always recreate something. I think save your money and, you know, spend it intelligently once you've got more experience and once you've got more knowledge and you can understand what your needs are as opposed to what someone else's needs are.

They put their checklists together and so on. And focus on those areas that are less cash intensive and more skills intensive. Good advice, Kat. Mike, last but not least. Well, my advice to someone that's just getting into prepping or just getting into being preparedness is, number one, don't put it off. And then number two is small steps are better than none. So don't feel overwhelmed by all the seasons, preppers, and all the knowledge.

A lot of us has been doing this for a long time. If you're brand new to prepping, remember that, you know, something is better than nothing. So if you go to Walmart and let's say you went tonight and you bought a 20 pound bag of rice and 40 pounds of beans along with five or six gallons of water, you're going to be ahead of more than about 70% of America. You throw in a case of sterno so that you can heat it up. Now you're probably ahead of 80% of the people. Anything is better than nothing. But don't get overwhelmed. Don't feel intimidated. Just start small. The old cliche is you know you move them out in one stone at a time. And that's the way you do.

prepping is when you go, you buy one little thing here, then you buy one little thing there, and then all of a sudden you've got a lot of preps stored up. So that's my advice is don't put it off, and small steps are better than none. All right, and I absolutely agree with that. It's so overwhelming to try to do everything at once, and there's money involved, too, so you know, slow and steady wins the race. Well, we have had a great time, Today we're already over 90 minutes. We do want, however, all of our hosts... Oh, wait, Jim, I wanted to let Jim...

Jim, hey, you had another comment. Please forgive me. Go ahead and let me know what you go out. Oh, no problem. And thanks so much for the extra time. I do appreciate it. I just wanted to mention one thing to this incredible chat room. Well, two things.

The first being unbelievable showing, unbelievable comments, as usual. I always remark on the chat room because I think we have some incredible people in the chat room. I want to bring up one point to the folks in the chat room. What we've heard tonight is conversation. We've heard, you know, one party asking a question, one party answering that question. And what I'd love from the chat room is for you guys to call in more often and talk to us and bring your expertise.

You know, we have a great audience here that doesn't come to the chat room and you guys have so much knowledge. I mean, I sit here every week and I read the things that you put in the chat room. go to the links that you put in the chat room after the show is over, and I'm overwhelmed by the amount of knowledge in the chat room. And I think all of the shows across the board would benefit if we had more of our regular folks call in and drop some of that knowledge on the listening base. But that's basically it.

Thanks so much for that. Chatroom, you guys, are the sort of the unsung heroes of the show. I know some nights when I'm tanking, I go to the chat room for inspiration. and I just wanted to thank you guys for showing up and encourage you. I know it's nerve-wracking. It's a little scary. You know, you're on live radio.

But give us a call from time to time. And we can have conversations just like these and you can, you know, expel your great information on to the rest of the listening base. But that's all. I appreciate you giving me the extra time. Oh, yeah, absolutely, Jim. I just want to say that we learn more from our readers,

from our listeners, from our viewers than he teach. I think that is one of the most amazing things that we've learned. We thought we had a lot to teach people. We find that we learn so much more than we teach. It's gratifying, and it's wonderful to have the relationship that we have and that you host out there have with your listening audience. Now, before we go, I want everybody to,

remind us all about your shows, what time the show goes on, the name of the show. If you have any products, we'll tell us about that real quick, and how people can follow or otherwise connect with you. I'm going to start with you, Kat. We'll start the way we started off the show. Okay, great. So you can find, well, my show is Herbal Prepper Live, which airs live every Sunday evening, 7 p.m. Eastern, 4 p.m. Pacific.

You can also find me at herbalprepper.com where you can find online courses and herbal medicine. I have some sales going on on an herbal burn care course. And I also have another herbal skills intensive coming up starting on August 7th. So you get some time to get in. That's like an eight-week herbal boot camp. And I also have the essentials of verbal practice that's also available on the site. There's going to be more herbal courses coming. There's also herbal and preparedness articles there too. So please go check out herbalpreper.com and check out my show on Sunday nights. Awesome. Awesome.

Hi, Lander. All right, guys. You can find me on the chat here. I'm usually logged in. I just have to say my name and it beeps from my computer so I'll know. My show is Monday nights at 9 p.m. Easter time. You can

listen to it. You can call it live. I love questions. I do survival and tech prep. So like I said, anything with technology or survival-wise weapons. I mean, anything have to do with survival and when I call tech preps, I mean anything, you know, computers

to gadgets or whatever. So, follow me there. You know, in the chat room, you can also go to Facebook. I'm under tech preps. You can follow me there. And just, you know, yell at me in the prepper broadcasting chat room, or we can go to preppers and yell at me. I'm there,

you know, just to say my name and my computer beeps, so there we go. And you can follow me. All right. Fantastic. Fantastic. Ray, time for you. You can catch me on Tuesday nights at 9 p.m. Eastern. I'm also spot-filling on Thursday nights. I will have the one and only Dr. Bones and nurse Amy with me next month.

And I will also have Popeye from Down the Rabbit Hole. He will be with me next month as well. So you could catch me Tuesday nights at 9 p.m. Eastern. my Facebook is my name Ray Becker B-E-C-K-E are just like the tennis player Hey Boris where is my check And you can also

You can also catch my YouTube channel Same thing, it's my name So everybody's been great I just want to thank everybody For being here tonight And especially all the people in the chat room Absolutely And we're really looking forward to being on your show Ray

Thank you so much for inviting us James all right well it's i am liberty show i am liberty show is what you got to search it's what you got to find it's i am liberty show on facebook it's i am liberty show on twitter it's i am liberty show on youtube i don't have a lot of youtube but there's some good stuff but well that's not true so let me tell you a little nugget about i am liberty real quick let me tell you so we we do a weekly on prep or broadcasting, but we also do a weekly on Libson, you know, that's published by

our own, and all those shows are on YouTube. You can also get them at IAMlibertyshow.com. You can also get them through all the social media. So we do this show, which runs about an hour, we do another show that runs about a half hour, 45 minutes. I have a tendency to say we, and I'm sitting here in my dining room completely alone.

And that's kind of how it goes down. I'm sure many of you can relate. I have a little friend on your shoulder. It's just you and the voices, right? right joe yeah that's it that's it every once in a while a pit bull rolls in from upstairs

but uh yeah so that's the show again we the show is very the show can go on many directions right that's what you need to know about i am liberty the show may say we're going to talk about how to can and preserve food and we may talk about

muslim attacks for the whole show and i can't help that i'm always going to bring you what i'm into because i feel like that's the best experience for you. You know, I've listened to a lot of shows that have been a host reading off of a piece of paper and droning through it, and I think it's the most terrible thing in the world. So I'm always going to bring you what I'm into. It might not be exactly what the show topic is about, but I'm going to be passionate about. I'm going to be into it. And that's what I am liberty

show. Again, there's other avenues that you can get us, get us through. Again, YouTube at I Am Liberty Show. I am a liberty show at Facebook. And just know that what I'm about is about the neighborhood. I'm about We've got the time That the end of the world scenario has not hit yet So let's do our best to strengthen these communities And let's make sure that Are we out?

No, no No, you're good No, I'm sorry You said all right like we were done No, I heard a pause, so No, no, no, no, strengthen these communities I'm good at those like dramatic pauses, I apologize I know

Strengthen these communities and make sure that when it all does go bad, because it's probably all going to go bad. We can't have prosperity forever. But when it does go bad, we don't look at our neighbor as an enemy rather. We look at them as an ally. That's my main goal. All right, I have a book coming out in October. I'll talk to you guys about that when the time is there.

It's going to be all about this blueprint for gathering neighbors and creating these communities that are cohesive. and fighting the real issues in the nation. All right. So I amlibertyshow.com. And again, I'm here Wednesdays, 9 p.m. Eastern Standard Time. We always have a good time. Thanks for putting this on, Joe.

And Amy, you guys were great. This was an awesome idea. Something really special happened here tonight. You know, something very special for the preparedness community happened here tonight. I don't know if something like this has ever happened before. And I think we should do it more often. I agree.

I think it was awesome. 100%. Mike. Mike is going to be starting your show. Tell us about when it's going to be and what you've called it, yeah. Michael Klein is also the man, by the way. You're a man. You to man, Michael.

I appreciate that. Yeah, the reality check with Michael Klein will be setting sale next Friday, August the 4th at 9 p.m. And Lord help us all for that one. I don't really have a lot of links. There's a Facebook, a link to my Facebook page is on my show page. And if anybody wants to give me a holler, I do the computer security stuff. I also do communication security. I can teach you how to crack into encryption and break stuff and all kinds of fun things.

My email address is Michael Klein at hotmail.com. You can figure out how to spell it on my show page because the E and the A are reversed, and a lot of people miss that. So that's how you can get a hold of me, and I look forward to hearing from all of y'all next. Friday and chatting with everybody in the bait and voyage of reality check that's it that's awesome best of luck mike with your new show hey it has been an absolute pleasure to be with you guys tonight you really have uh well i just endowed our audience and and myself and my lovely wife with so much information we really appreciate it and we're honored to have hosted this show tonight. I don't think this show had

a title, did it? Well, we're just going to call it an awesome prepper show. The awesome perper hour. The most awesome prepper let's see, community hour. Hour. That's right. That's right. And it's all because of you guys, you five

hosts are just awesome. We are just really, it's been a privilege to hang out with you guys for a while tonight. And I believe that we could have made the show about eight hours. I think it could. Easily could have. Easily could have been. Just one last thing. Our podcast is called the Survival Medicine Hour. We have actually two podcasts, the Survival Medicine Hour, here on Prepar Broadcasting Network. Prepar Broadcasting Network also has our Genesis Communications Network show American Survival Radio, current events. A little bit of politics. We'll watch out if you actually have an opinion. You may not have our opinion. So it just depends on how interested you are. that but definitely medical preparedness our survival medicine hour has been going on for several

years now we're almost at uh we're on show number 349 almost 350 that's just our third network now yeah third network we have a few hundred other ways yes indeed all right well thank you guys so much for coming on the show and thank glen for putting this all together yes thanks awesome idea, Glenn. You guys can all say thank you if you want. Everybody say thanks, Glenn. Thanks, Lynn. Thanks, Lynn. Bye, everybody.

And thanks Joe and Amy. Good job, man. That's a great. Great job. Today's broadcast has come to you through the courtesy of the Prepper Broadcasting Network. See our hosts, show schedules, archive programs, and more at Prepper Broadcasting.com. Thanks for listening.