The Prepper Broadcasting Network - Matter of Facts: All Aboard The Train w/ Rebel's Raiders

Episode Date: September 29, 2025

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Welcome back to the Matterfax podcast on the Prepar Broadcasting Network. We talk prepping guns and politics every week on iTunes, Stitcher, and Spotify. Go check out our content at MOFpodcast.com on Facebook or Instagram. You can support us via Patreon or by checking out our affiliate partners. I'm your host Phil Ravley, Andrew and Nick are on the other side of the mic, and here's your show. Welcome back to Matter of Facts podcast. I'm here, Nick's here, Rebels joined us, Andrew's not here. Andrew has taken a job working at a Vietnamese sweatshop.

Oh, it probably works for me. I don't remember what exactly he said he's doing these days, but I do remember it involves a lot of sweating, a lot of sewing, and something about supplying the autism crowd. Good. So, yes, I thanked him on behalf of all of us because, you know, it's an important job. It's thankless, but it's important. It is.

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Hmm. Anyway, so, hello. Rebels back. I've been harassing you on Instagram pretty much three times a week ever since we talked to you last time about where's the goddamn gear which I mean I mean is I mean as politely and light hard as possible because I know it's coming I know you're working on it and I know everybody else is saying where's the gear yes but you know patience is hard and I love you know I appreciate people hitting me up on the DMs I just feel like Lujan on any one of her days when you just get 50,000

thousand DMs and people actually want something from me. So I just feel like a solid 8 out of 10 on a dating app when I look at my Instagram DM. Right? Yeah. Nice. That's a good little ego. Yeah, exactly. People like we wanted. Oh shit. People like me. I think Lujan gets more like,

can I love you for the rest of my life? I get bring the gear or I will fucking rip your entrails out or I get like this. I'm like, all right. Well, I'm like, all right. Best of luck without the plate carrier. I think I think maybe Lou Han's DMs might be slightly more like uplifting maybe not i don't know i don't know man i've seen i've seen some of the leaks from some of the from some of those feeds from the models dude that's

the messages get weird wonder what is the people who send that like to me i respond because of course but yeah you got to encourage when you send them a dm to a model and you're and you're like i love to stick that in you what do you think the outcome of that dm is like what's the best case scenario. You're talking to a man in India who was paid to respond. That's the best. That's the best outcome. Yes. I was about to say, I usually reserve things like that for my wife. And when I send those to her, I know exactly what kind of reaction I'm going to get. She's going to roll her eyes, sigh and consider her life decisions. I just want to know what it's like to be hot. Just for one day. Just one day to be hot. I just I want by the power of AI, you too can be an only fans model. I'm just saying, but by way, that is the future. It clearly is a business model. The future for women is only fans and the future for men is just podcasting.

That's why. The future for Gwot vets is podcasts, coffee and authorship, right, Phil? I'm not going to let you live that one down, man. So, Rebel, in the name of full disclosure, like, I started a podcast back in 2016 and felt like, within the last year, a friend of mine offered me a buying opportunity to buy

part of disaster coffee be part owner with him and andrew and i have written published a book so this smart ass over here was like dude you hit the gwatt trifecta and i was like you just need the full sleeve you just need the sleeve just please stop go for it you know i'm not a seal so i got to leave something on the bone there's definitely um oh never mind that's not going to be funny because i i noticed it myself i try to be funny the best i can but there is something about that right there is something about like hey i'm wearing a t-shirt that's too tight it's earth-colored it has a design on it that's semi-ironic but somehow features like an ar-15 right it's just like gay teddy bear ink we'll stuff you and you're like okay i don't know what the fuck that even is i just thought

of that right now about that there's like that's great but like and there's like a whole then i have to go on fox news and sit there and be like my tribe knows violence your tribe pussies and i'm like what tribe i'm 35 years old i don't have any friends i'm playing health divers the fucking tribe you're talking about uh yeah but yeah there's a whole vibe to it i don't know i don't think i've ever been in that area but um yeah there's a whole it's it's we it's just um like here's a good example this is a serious topic but i've it to my mind it just like gets me weird remember travis raids the guy who like fake being a green gray or something oh yeah i forgot about here's what always always

drives me faking being a green beret has a look that I think I brought that up before where you just fake Navy seals do too right where you just go okay if I want to be it if I want to be special operations on Instagram I have to have a black t-shirt has to have some dumb skull design but I never I have to then wear the black t-shirt with helmets and a pair of nods and there has to be at least one photo of me staring off into the night with nods on right or i have to have a Gucci rifle or i have to somehow mix skateboarding in with it like in the fact that you can the fact that there's a look to an online persona to a job is like strange to me right yeah because is there like is there like an oh three is i was a machine gunner

what's the machine gunner instagram eating fucking trash out of a dumpster like what is that what is that like oh yeah he was infantry why he's homeless like is that what jacked up knee jokes Jacked up back jokes? Infantry core Like domestic You know Domestic abuse charges Like is that what that is?

Like what is that? Like is there infantry core That I can like get into like that guy's an I guess infantry core is I post really long photos on Instagram And I talk about topics that nobody wants to get involved with Like I guess infantry cores I go like You need a 20 inch barrel to do 800 meter shots

And then people are like what the fuck you're talking about? I'm like clearly you don't know hide over a ball Like I get into really esoteric debates that nobody he gives a shit about i'm like dude just post the shorty sorry i'm not being right i'm just i don't know it's just weird to me nah dude you're good just weird so you're okay phil what happened you're right oh no you you you you brought up um oh you're supposed to hit you off i was like oh fuck no it's he was pulling up a picture of him and andrew being exactly what's that but that's sf core like that's the thing and then he didn't have trap music being like asking me if i give a fuck man

And then you have like, you know, a caption that says, that says vans off the skids, whatever, like what the fuck? I don't know what the fucking even means, right? Random in jokes from 25 years ago. But you see, I am like the worst on earth at that, at being that friggin, like that whole vibe. Because what he and I were actually doing was frigging at wildlife, watching shooting stars and smoking cigars. Like, if it wasn't for the fact that I'm married and he's in a serious relationship, there could have been some allegations of a very friendly relationship happening.

because we were literally sitting there like a like a boyfriend and girlfriend for god's sakes like star star day's under under literally burning cash yes i just i but i get but i guess if you if you viewed it from the outside i'm a height beast tactical guy too right if you view if you're just like scrolling you'd be like oh yeah you were like that's you too so i'm like oh that's right i get i get it no man what i get out of you is you're a guy that likes the tactical stuff but you're more about having a good time yes and by that i mean never involving myself in the industry at any point exactly like i go to shot show i literally go to the one section nobody visits which is the dealer supply section which is just like a bunch of like old ladies like selling cordura and i i yeah the vendors yeah the vendors

i go in there which nobody's ever in there and dude that's the place to go that's where you get your business contracts yes and that's actually where that's actually like shot show is supposed to be right it's It's not supposed to let's follow Lucas Bocking around and find out what color his fucking underwear is. But like that I go to that vendor section, which I said no one's in there. And I go, okay, and I'm sitting there with like this stupid bullshit that nobody cares about, like all the West Ridge fucking samples. I sit with this dumb shit that nobody cares about. And then I will go to the PSA booth and I go, can I get a free gun? They go, fuck no.

And I go, okay. And then I leave. I got a, yeah, I just, I just go, hey, we can do like a collab. They're like, no, all right, that's fine. All right, but I, I got an FFL dealer in town that I, that I deal with a lot. And he was going to Shot Show one year. I was like, hey, man, can I, can I, like, get a ride with you? Can I get on your ticket?

Because he's got a company. He's like, yeah, sure. He said, you just have to promise me that you're not going to sign any contracts there to get any free stuff. I went, all right. I cannot promise that. I, I just, I don't know. My goal is I tried to get it through. They didn't let me.

wanted to have a petting zoo at shot show oh that'd be great it was just gonna people would love that i just wanted it pen wait wait goats petting what no goats no okay no okay print shoot i just had to ask because there are gun bunnies running around and i'm pretty sure terran tactical already cornered that market they did yeah gun bunnies are like i don't know it just creep me out um dude gun gun booth gun bunnings in general regardless of the of the of the con or whatever show you're going to it's it's weird oh dude it was the same thing when i was in the in the car racing scene. The girls who will just come and hang around just because they want to ride in the fastest car on the grid is just the cringiest shit I've ever seen in my life. See, when I was working at

Kenai, I think I did this joke before last time, but I'll say it again, because it's a true story, but it's, again, just sums up my experience in life. I was at shot. And when I was certain to get into the industry, and there was a gun bunny one around who had done some stuff with Kenai, very little, but just like some tertiary show, whatever. And I was a social media guy. I'm like, oh, I guess this is how you do it. This is 2017 gun world before everyone became like rapture obsessed. So there's still a little bit of like mainstream in there. Now you can't do this right.

Now I have to, you know, I have to cross with eyes constantly and talk about how we're all going to die. But this is still when you can kind of do this. Again, can I never got into it. Let me get to the point. Gun Bunny was given free stuff, right? Later on, that gun bunny became, I'm not going to say the name. She became like embroiled in a lot of drama. And another one of like her friends who was used to me with her, but no longer, she was like on a live going like, oh, and it was well known in the industry like at Chachow.

If you had her phone number, that meant that you had her for the night. And I went, I had her phone number. I didn't get shit. What the fuck? I didn't even get banged out by the gun bunnies. And I'm out here handing out free fucking backpacks. When do I get mine? Like, all I got was a fucking text that says K banks.

i didn't even get invited to the hotel room i can't even be involved in the drama so yes that's degenrecy i don't partaking that kind of shit i just said it was funny the woman's like it's a well-known industry knowledge you have her number you have her i'm like not me i didn't do shit i'm over here putting pictures of goats i'm fucking backpacks anyway sorry hey that's just a fun story man this is this is why i don't get involved in stupid drama bullshit so i just why what fucking good there's nothing else to do there's like nothing else to talk about i have plenty to fucking do we like we we but as far as the industry goes it's i split a face cord of wood after work today there you go i mean well i mean it's just like there's in the end there's nothing

that i mean that's what made and i'll talk about him directly by go that's kind of what made lucas is like marketing really good right is you took something very dumb and you're like people like what okay let's just go with this Travis haley is a force reconnaissance marine who was a contractor in Blackwater, right? Or Triple Canopy, who gives a shit? But he was arguing with Lucas Backin for like two weeks over knee placement, like when going behind like cover. And I'm like, what is, what is Tony Cowden?

Right, Tony Cowden. It was a member of the Green Beret SIF teams who was on the hunt for Bin Laden, right? Green Beret Siff team is just Delta Force light. Yeah. And I look at Tony Cowden and he's arguing with Air Force. softers over a scar in the Instagram comments. I'm like, Tony, you were like the guy. Why are you going on to meet Munch 420s page and getting into an argument over the scar? What are you doing? You used to kill people for a living, right? Like, you're real. Why do you care what Lucas is saying?

You're a real. You used to do this. No one expects your reload to be under two seconds. You literally have evaporated people. And then, but you just, it's unstoppable. You're just online railing against munch meat 420 because you called you a cuck in a comment section and you can't let it go. It's like you've been shot at, but you can't let that cut comment go. You got to go for it. I guess that's, that's the trouble with social media, you know, it sucks people in.

It's addictive. Oh, 100%. Well, it's designed to be addictive. I mean, like, let's absolutely is designed to be addictive. I can never remember the name of. the documentary i saw um but it's all about like facebook and instagram and how these algorithms are literally designed from the ground up to loop you in get you addicted and make you stare at the screen longer than you want to like

it always kills me i cannot remember the name of the show and i'll remember as soon as we sign off but it it like fundamentally every episode of black mirror really yeah but you know the thing the thing that i've told my wife because there's been times where like i've said something I thought mildly controversial on social media and someone else took it the wrong way sorry not sorry crime I don't care yeah and then my wife would go on and be like how does that not bother you and I'm like because I don't care it's not real life like the social network thank you honey wait that was the social networks the was the founding of Facebook movie oh it was yeah that's yeah I don't but I think they talked about that in

there too well this what what you said is this is I mean I don't want to go I do. Actually, I like politics. I just don't discuss as part of the brand. But this kind of goes against a little bit of the conservative notion of self-discipline. Because I say, and when you just said, like, hey, this is designed to addict you. It's designed from the ground up. And then I go, but this is also being applied to our food, our drinks. So it's not 1522 when you just don't dip your bread in honey. And you go, hey, I'm just going to skip the honey because I'm going, dude, this stuff that just your algorithms, your food, your drink, your daily interactions, like these companies, which I won't go into, I'm sorry, I'm not saying it's inherently evil. I'm going, do you have people in

marketing who are, who are psychologists? This stuff is designed. It's not, like I said, it's not just dip, don't dip your bread and honey and you're good for the day. I go, this stuff is just a step below synthetic cocaine. Like, it is. I mean, right below that. Like, well, it's hitting the same brain chemicals. Right. And I go, it's, I don't even know. I don't even, I mean, if you look at a Zempick or even stomach surgeries as an example, we have to medically tell our bodies stop eating because a bag of Skittles is so, God dang, good. It's just too good. Like, it's just too fucking good. You give a Roman, a bag of skittles. You understand what he's going to do? He's going to be like, what is this? It's like, yo, this is processed refined sugar with an. additive chemical specifically designed to target the like part of your brain that produces pleasure.

You know that part that you do and you bang it out? It's that. That's just a little bad. You're like, fuck. Your brain cannot tell the difference between most super sugary processed foods and cocaine. Your brain can't tell the difference. So which makes me cringe like hell when I look at like small children just inhaling bags of, you know, this stuff. But now I mean, and you said earlier, rebel like it kind of goes against that whole print that whole conservative principle of like self control but like this is where i have a really hard time like associating myself with being in any one of the various political factions because like the libertarian side of me says business should should have little little to no constraints and people should you know the market

should decide and yada yada yada but then i think himself like but when we allow that unfettered then we end up with kids working in coal mines again you know so it's like i'm stuck in this i think the children yearn for the minds they go on minecraft and just jump right in there they yes they yearn for the coal no i think i think though you're not exactly wrong though with the yearn for the minds but i think they yearn for being productive i think especially young boys yearn to be productive you're telling them shoving young boys into a class they can learn about math and making them and making them held the same standard as their female counterparts is not going to be detrimental to society dude i was happy running a hydraulic band saw at 13 than i ever wasn't well we all were and then

again going back to the libertarian part right we all this is the i mean i get into this my mother was a teacher and i like fight her all the time with this right is you go well here's what we did this and this again this can go this is probably why women and i mean boys and girls were educated separately you what i just said right you go let's take boys and girls we're going to put them in the same classroom and then what we're going to do and people go oh they're going to go hump no what i'm saying is you then go will girls like to sit still and pay attention because they're like that's what they do that they're just like that you go yeah but the boy wants to run around the class and he wants to fight people or whatever he wants to because he's a little boy but then you go well the rules are sit still and listen and then you have a subset of population that genetically is like predisposed not to do that i just did the crazy eyes and then this is the next part where the market healthcare comes in they go well let's just drug them to have them sit in their seats amphetamines right that'll fit and now how i know that is i'm a victim of that i shouldn't say victim because nobody cares if you're a male victim of anything no one gets a

shit right right so it's just like if i got hit by a car then they you just go like whatever just man up bitch but then you go hey you're you know your mom comes home from your mom comes home to cook dinner then your dad's still at work he's like and then your mom just like dude you're You're fucking out of control. All you want to do is hit stuff. Take this pill. Swallow it. And then I go, hey, mom, you know, I can taste the color purple now.

And she goes, listen, I don't care. Shut up and read Stuart Little. And I'm like, okay, well, mom, you know, I don't know. I don't know. I kind of like choking myself all the time. It's like, well, but your grades improved. You now have a C and math. So we're going to keep drugging you.

I get it. I get it. But if also, if you're a boomer parent and you're coming home after working 40 hours, fuck that kid. Drug him. Shut him up. put them in front of Power Rangers and tell them violence is bad

and then watch Power Rangers and go, hey, in the future, this might not give you the best outcome. I just told you don't hit anybody, but let me give you three unhindered hours of people getting the living shit kicked out of them to solve every problem on the show. That's not going to affect you later.

Go ahead. Definitely not. There you go. I got to read out my wife's comment. She said, boys should be run to the point of exhaustion. Absolutely. Right.

She teaches, I think, pre-K. five through seventh grade but yeah throw them outside but what we do is we you know we we make girl we sit we they do a study where girls sit down in front of a computer or in front of a screen learning math and they sits quietly but then you go they go hey i want to watch episode one the phantom menace and then we go hey there's something wrong with you we're giving you meth right yeah so that wow that was a that was that was that was my rfk soapbox there you go hey man you know i i i agree with you. I think that a lot of these medications are doing far more harm than good because

number one, the kid never learns how to cope for themselves. That I got really lucky for whatever reason and I never got what probably should have been an ADHD diagnosis according to my wife. But I was also, as soon as I was done at school, I was working. I was doing all kinds of crazy shit. I had somewhere to burn my energy off, but these kids that are locked inside 24-7? Of course the boys are spazing out. Yeah. They're just getting radicalized. They're just getting radicalized on Nick Fentz's website. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Hey, Joe, the topic today is going to be how we get the community to start training and taking things seriously. But so far, it's just been 20 minutes of unrestrained autistic screeching, which is entertaining and

necessary. Bring in the topic, this is a good topic. This is a, this is an interesting one, because I have it from all over the place. But let's, let's kick it off. I just, I have a company that I need to talk about too. Oh, we will get there. I have banners towards the end to make sure we don't miss that. But the topic today was, how do we get the homies to train? Because, like, Nick and I were talking about this at the top of the show. Like, you know, our hell coming from kind of the preparedness community is that there's

way too much focus on buying crap. And there's way too much focus on, oh, I bought the thing. I put in the closet, I'm covered. And it seems like where the rubber meets the road where you start trying to tell it personally, hey, have you. actually train with that rifle like can you hit a stationary target at 100 yards do you know how if we're going to reload under pressure do you not to mitigate a failure here's a real fun one i'm a radio nerd do you know how many guys go out and buy a pair of bayou fangs and then they

never programmed they never use them they don't know how do they work they don't know how to use them and that's that's just two examples of what we run into in the preparedness community over and over and over trying to convince people if you don't practice with this stuff if you don't If you don't treat it like a perishable skill and try to work on it, it's not going to be there to serve you when you need it to. And now I'm kind of like turning my sights more towards the gun community, the tactical community, the training community, and all that. And I'm like, okay, there's a whole bunch of y'all whose sole focus is buy shit,

put it on, take pictures for Instagram, and then it goes back in the closet. And how do we convince that bunch of Mary Nuffalo? knuckleheads to actually like treat this like a perishable skill or even treat it like a skill that needs to be learned a good part of this is my fault actually i think a decent part of it's my fault is it the goats and body armor that are to blame no well a little bit right so what where i have fallen short is not in well the supplying of the gear it being out of stock for a little bit it's not my fault i could i hey listen the president has shitty trade policies don't blame me okay write a let a fucking letter but um that the part that that the part that

I have failed is making content relevant because so far I've been good enough about talking about my gear but that that would go now since you know me you go yeah but rebel has always been like making it affordable so people being able to get it especially because I make all my gear that comes together so that way you go people are spending I wouldn't say less time but they don't have to just hang around a website for 48 minutes trying to figure out their feet but the point is I have failed in trying to convey the training message as well but to answer the question I think it's twofold One, I'll take a page from, I think, like a Lucas Bakken book, which I'm going to use this as a positive thing, is one, demonstrate excellence. But the next part, which is I'm going to try to work.

I shouldn't say I'm trying to. I'm going to work on for my brand. When I say my brand, but it translates into how you home is a train. So one, demonstrate excellence. Be very good. And to be honest, to be honest, in order to convey that message online, when I say extreme, I don't mean opinion, but you have to kind of be kind of over the top because the on, when you. you view a when you're over the top yourself and you're dressing like special operations that gets viewed to another watered down filter does that make sense sure that's why

everyone on instagram is jacked and huge because when that guy tells you to go train go to the gym that's the motivation to look like him even though you're going to show us the results yeah you're just going to wind up looking like me which is just skinny it's like okay but you that's why you have big buff guys who then go go bench press now the next right next part where i push hard against i would say the that when i say lb but really any level is we actually do not have which we need to do as an industry objective standards and scenarios that we consider to be our canon sure right so right now you say right we go can you hit at can you hit a steel gong then i go what yardage 100 right actually no 300 actually no 250 sitting actually no 500 standing

then so my point is we don't which which again i know why because you can sell no matter what right the military has done this forever you never you never lay the scenario that way you buy five tanks for five different wars right but the answer i think besides which i need to do perform really well to a high level so that you motivate people right educate and inspire but that one part like why did the minute man fitness test is when you tell people okay here's what you need to be able to do And people tell me to change it, I don't. You can run two miles in eight minutes. You can do 10 pull-ups.

You can do 50 push-ups. You can do 50 sit-ups. You can run, you can sprint 300 meters in around a minute or so. You're good. You do those things across the board. You will be able to handle yourself in 99.9% of the situations you'll be able to run into. And someone goes, what about the bench? I go, do what you want with a bench.

Do what you want to bench. Yeah. This is that overall, by the way, the military has done. again for years the military has a physical fitness test the military has marksmanship training right now people can talk shit about oh i don't like the army training oh it's bullshit oh no one's compared to me with my brand new five thousand dollar rifle and the training i do with my friends but i go it's a standard that you can meet and then go hey you're in the army right i expect you know how to at least pull a trigger now we make fun of that in the tactical industry and go just because they're

the army doesn't mean they know how to shoot correct obviously when you go there's people with higher skill sets you can teach you but absolutely but the military is the standardization of in this case standards on which you then go yes correct i'm not saying that every marine that you meet is going to be on the skill level to teach you how to shoot but you can expect every marine that you meet to have some level of familiarity with an m16 at least at some very basic level Right. They should know something. Right. Now, so going back to how to move the needle when I say I'm using that military as like a standard, I think if we were to go out and tell people and coalesce around the central idea of what the basics are, we'll find more people prepared because then they know what to meet a standard to meet and then they can go train to do it. As opposed to it. It gives them a fixed goal. Yes. To look at. Right. Because as opposed to the stand as opposed to the current one, which is, whatever Instagram reel goes viral is the training standard now. Okay.

I see what you're getting at. So basically what you're getting at is that the ever-changing Uber standard of whatever YouTube Instagram post, moving goalpost, it's discouraging people from getting out in training because it's constantly, oh, well, now you have to shoot Weaver. Now you have to shoot Isosceles. Now you've got to shoot the modified. But also it's not cool because buying the new shit is,

cool because that gets more likes that gets more attention but if we as a culture as I mean there's you know industry I should say politics a downstream of culture right my idea is is industry trends or downstream of likes if we were to start to coalesce around and I again I have failed at this 100% I actually have the platform to do it and I have failed that I'm I'm not going to say I'm working towards it because I'd be an excuse I have permanently not permanently I have consistently failed in pushing this if I were to make videos where same Again, I'll mention them in a very positive way. The way Lucas Bachin turned in 2015, 2014, when he turned putting on all this kit as a civilian,

the people would make fun of him, but now that's the normal piece. If I were to make reels and make content, probably need to use Lujan because no one's to see me do a fucking push-up. But is if I were to make content that shows getting fit is not retarded, it's not bench pressing 2425, but you can do 50 push-ups, you can do 50. It's obtainable. And on top of which, this is cool to do. you will see more people talk about their fitness in the in the in the industry i'm using just fitness but we can talk about something yeah right if you saw it's the same it's the same whether

it's fitness or whether it's shooting right and i i need to do that where i've tried because the hard part is the marine corps the army have access to standardized ranges right but i've tried to be like okay what does everybody have access to 100 yards for the most part if you go around the range in America you probably have access to 100 yards most like and or 25 yard pistol at least the 25 yard pistol rate like you probably have a rifle range you probably have access to about 100 yards if you have a pistol range you probably have access to 25 okay so then we need to go what is the standard that we consider because right now we all have a standard for rifles and pistols a good quality a r that's probably around a g right we know that okay what's your

a r okay you probably want to have basically some either a cold hammer for or a button rifled chrome line barrel and you want to have a decent haggar we know the company you want to have a good AR you're probably looking at a thousand dollars and you have a Glock 9 millimeter okay great we know the standard equipment right sure generally speaking but then we go a plastic wonder nine basically is what you're looking for we know that standard equipment then when we apply the standard standard again that's what they're called standards we apply that i think and we and we push that out there we go okay can you do this with a pistol right and we set it to where it's challenging but realistic because then if you're court you'll just get during if you if you go hey

you you got to be able to do you know 10 yard bill drills with three reloads at 50 yards you go okay what no i'm not what what what no so i would suggest taking a look like part of the marine core markmanship look at that and then just cut that down into probably a hundred yard range and go yeah at a hundred yards you can hit it you can hit a you can hit a dinner plate sitting standing and kneeling at 100 yards with 10 rounds, 10 rounds, hey, you know what I'm saying? We're looking good, right? You're, we're looking at a standard we could meet. Does that make sense?

Yeah, no, that makes a lot of sense. You know, I suppose you could apply it similarly to, I don't know about your guys' states, but my state has a very, very basic pistol marksmanship qualification for concealed carry. It's 10 rounds at 3 yards, 10 rounds at 5 yards, 10 rounds at 7 yards, and you've got to be on a torso target at all. I'm going to do exactly what Rebel just said was so crappy

and say that is the most bullshit training standard. I've ever heard of my wife. No, it is. That is a bullshit training standard. But what I'm saying is, what if we took that training standard for pistols and we said, I want 10 rounds at 3 yards, 10 rounds at 5 yards, 10 rounds at 7 yards, A zone hits. Right. No.

And then, you know what? Once you get to that point, okay. here's your next step your 10 rounds three five and seven yards put yourself on a timer pretty easy you know i don't know what i don't know what a good time for that would be but i've always suggested just looking at what either police departments or the military does and trying to so for my state there is no time limit for the police department shooting qualification i'll be honest i don't think when it comes to standard proficiency with firearms i don't think i don't think timing is that big a deal.

The thing about timing is it, right, but the thing about the thing about adding a clock to yourself is, is it, it adds stress, it artificially adds stress that forces you to master the fundamentals. That's the key. Even if it's not a you must complete by fixed time, but you have a timer running like a shot timer on your phone or whatever, it, it adds that little bit of upper of elevated heart rate that little bit of elevated stress hormones that causes your proficiency to slip and forces you to train harder you can probably make a pretty easy rule whatever qualification you're doing you have one minute per shot sure you did that way it's the standard right either that or you i don't know i can't speak to the marines but in the army at least

20 plus years ago you know to get at a base training you had to hit one standard but then to but then like the minimum APFT once you got out to your unit was higher than that. Okay. Maybe that's the way to do it is say like for an initial qualification, there is no time limit. And then for a full qualification, you have to do within X amount of time. So you add the time, you add the stress, you make a person screw up and pay a little bit more attention.

But for the initial goal of like, hey, can you actually clear this course of fire without shooting yourself in the foot or missing a target? And for that, if you got a slow. far the whole thing screw it just get your shots yeah the hard part would be enforcing it as an industry right because what that's where i would come in as like a gear manufacturer i'd have to make that cool then i'd have to make my own audience enforce it so i go hey you can't get the new rebels raiders vicarium play carry and multi-cam unless you're a gold patch fitness passer right you need you know you need to submit to me the video of you doing the the minute man fitness test and getting

the gold tier and once you get that gold tier and i get the video of you doing it you're going to get a gold tier patch for free that you can put on your gear saying yeah no i qualify and now that that gives you access to more of my shit well i mean i suppose if you wanted to you could do a discount based fitness incentive i'm gonna steal right now and just do that and be like all right do the minute man fitness test if you send me a video here like i'll say the standard for the video you have to do this so for the runtime i have to i have i'm to do like you know that'll be whatever i'm not going to get in the details but i go yeah you get to send the video here's what i need for video evidence send me this here's the evidence i need you pass

this you're going to get only you're going to get a fitness patch from me and now you have this promo code that'll be unique to you this guy goes do you hate money rebel in the best possible way i think he does i like how everyone's like okay all right marcus arellius keep making your point poor ass But that's me on Twitter You remember what I said at the top of the show Where I said all of my passion projects Don't make any damn money

Yeah This is what happens When you do something because you enjoy doing it And you're not focused on making money You do capitalism Less successful There is a very good story That went to Las Vegas

If you go to downtown Las Vegas There's a restaurant called Heart Attack Grill Kind of a famous place Guy the main owner is there all the time and he dresses like a doctor. I got to talk to him one of those days I was there, like in the middle of the week for another reason.

And I went there and I talked to him. He actually has a video up, but I talked to him personally, very interesting. He started a chain in California called In-N-Out Fitness. He was a nutritionist who wanted to start a fitness thing. And his idea was, in-and-out fitness, he wanted to put clients through a very rigorous 30-minute workout program with a diet plan to ensure that they lose weight

and they weren't spending three hours a day at the gym. Called it in-and-out fitness. then in and out sued him for being called in and out he then said i'll change the name i'll change the name because but i don't understand why you care no one's mistaking in and out fitness for in and out burgers like no one's mistaking these two things and he says i'll change the name i'll cease and desist i won't i'll stop and then they said no we're going after your family they sued him i believe i could be wrong i believe his wife divorced him i could be wrong on that but i know they went after everything he then told me he goes then i realized everyone's a fat pig and nobody cares

none of my clients came to my help none of one came to help me so then he started heart attack grill in a phoenix arizona where he makes food with lard and he makes it disgusting and over an gross on purpose and then i think he actually someone died in his restaurant of like a coronary in his restaurant like died oh shit and then what he did was he invited all of the paramedics to like come in and he was like, oh, this is my grill, like, well, there's like a dead body on the floor in his own restaurant. He got kicked out of Phoenix and now he's in, now he's in Las Vegas where it works perfectly, but he has a scale outside of his restaurant where if you stand on it and you're over

300 pounds, you eat for free. Huh. I mean, but that's the choice. It sounds like he's doing marketing pretty well. But that's where I go like, that's your, that's your villain origin story where you cared about fitness and then nobody gave a shit. Then you got sued by a fast food joint because your name was similar. And I would get it if they're a little bit mad

They say change your name And we know the problems over but what it Oh yeah If it was really about the name Then it would have been done with the second He said fine I'll change it And right he's like I'm not a huge chain

So who cares I'll change it's not like I have 50 places That I'm running But what you said was someone's like Do you hate money It's inch My long Rebel Raiders is profitable It is so I'm not I'm not sitting there going

I'm losing money My long term thing is I maybe Maybe PSA My goal is if I can get it affordable, I think more money will come down the line. Probably not. Probably there's definitely money to be made in quality at volume. And nobody has the patience for it. So my business strategy is to rely on the greed. Because every day, I love my friend, but every day he goes, raise your prices, raise your prices, raise your prices. Tariffs literally

doubled on me, right? My cost of my container literally jumped just by 40, 20, percent overnight like immediately yeah and i haven't raised any my prices and i and he goes raise them and i go no every day i think about how i can make the vicarian cheaper and cheaper and cheaper unfortunately because of how the market works you can't go too cheap people just think your ass but right i go every day i go i need to get the plate here below two hundred dollars i want to get it to 200 bucks that's what i want to be yet but they're going back to the other part how to move the needle that's i want a complete side tangent i was because i'm throwing my own business but All good, man.

With that point being said, I think tying that in might either work. But I get, I mean, did Lucas kind of did that, right? Because people are doing, people who post the videos. I don't know if you ever said, if you, you know, send me a shot timer drill and you're going to get a Ragnarok. But he, me, people got motivated to train, didn't they, I guess? They did. The one thing I will say, because earlier you said, like, how do we, how do I enforce this, like, upon the community? And I think what some of these creators have done

And Lucas is the obvious example Because he's just well known enough But like His his customer base self-polices And if you notice like there are certain There are certain companies There are certain people in the industry Who have managed to get such a following

And such a foothold in the industry Their fans self-police Like they will tell each other like Hey dude you need tight enough shot group a little bit hey, you need to work on your fitness a little bit. And I think that is the goal, not for your customers, but for the entire community, is to get the entire community to, in a positive way, self-policed, not in like, not in the ARFCOM, like, you know, everybody dog in each are because your rifle only costs $4,000

and you don't have night vision on your helmet, not the toxic version of self-policing, but like in a very, in a very wholesome dad advice kind of way of like, dude, like, you're on the right track you're going to the right direction you just we got to tighten you up a little bit that is one thing that i have noticed you know me and phil dog on reddit a bit now and then but the tactical gear subredits those guys are phenomenal at encouraging each other to get out train get yourself in shape talking each other through how to get in shape and encouraging each other when they show progress the number of progress picks i've seen from guys on the tactical gear subreddit just our slash tactical gear of a dude that's dropped 20 or 30 pounds he's looking a

little more trim his gear fits him better he's been out exercising always praise line after line of you're doing good man keep it up you can do it we've all been there let's do this I got that is what we need to see I got to do that to my website because I'm working I'm working I made a post about it a while ago but I'm working on the fitness part because I have one page that's going to be a website's dedicated just to fitness so I'm going to have like a lifestyle type but it's just fitness so i i i wanted to put a body fat calculator and then a a standard like you basically type in your weight your height your weight your age and that just gives you um weightlifting standards that you should try and meet sure tell you like beginner intermediate and

advance that we can just type it in and then you know and then i actually was like hey just put a few links up and just i know i said that i go just have like an under armor shirt and some shorts on amazon and some socks like okay here's your pt outfit like you can it's very simple go to costco it's white by my shit. But the self policing part, I like how all, for all my fancy talking points, I do, just bully each other. Just call each other fat until they stop. Like, it's like, that's good. There's a patch. Like, just call each other fat. Right. Well, no, that is that is part of it. Like, one of the things I see is like, hey, man, not to rag on you, but you're killing yourself. And it's, it's a we care about you. You need to do better for your own well, well, well, being.

I think bullying I don't know the word bully has a really harsh connotation to it but I mean like I feel like in the rights or in the right circumstances like call it what it is rebel your prior service so am I like I have said something the most outlandish awful I've said stuff to friends of mine I serve with that be legally considered a hate crime oh definitely and I mean and it it was to be expected like if I didn't call them everything under the sun and you know make Jew jokes, German jokes, white people jokes, black people jokes, male women jokes, men jokes. Jewish women jokes. So I had a buddy who was Italian and Jewish, and we called him the Jap, Jewish American princess for like eight months while we're in Iraq. That's great. Yeah. Anyway. But like, I've sent all those things to him and he could take none of it personally.

And he could say anything under the sun to me and I could take none of it personally. But there's a difference between, like, in a tight-knake group. Like, we deal with this in our little patron chat all the time because, like, that group, we talk on a sometimes a daily, at least a weekly basis. It is shocking if a member goes more than a couple days without saying something. But the thing that is is that we're close. We've built that rapport. We can dog each other out pretty, pretty, you know, badly. But there's always this unspoken rule that, like, when a person just comes in, you got to kind of, like, break him in slowly and not just chase them.

Except for Eddie. Oh, yes. We do, we do have Eddie who, um, he believes in throwing people in the deep in and seeing how well they swim with cement shoes. Exactly.

But anyway. Drownings in that. A lot of, a lot of people drown. See, the problem because I'm a sensitive little bitch. I, I don't see.

The thing is I don't, I don't like go in the group, but like, you know, especially on Instagram, I don't really have that I don't really have any like, there's only like two people who consistently comment negative things. And I don't block anybody because I have this idea

a free speech but nobody no one cares about what i have like no one cares about my stupid esoteric points about rights no one cares just block them or call them a slur and move on but um yeah when i i'll get like i'll get like one bad comment from them and it ruins my next four months like i'll just wait a night going like they called me dumb and now i am bothered like i'll be even though every other comments like great job rebel i can't wait for the gear you're doing great man i get a dm do we love you great and I'm like yes and then the one comment just says you a bitch I go that and that person doesn't like me and I get so bothered by that and it bothers me for days days that's that's legit though because I mean I cannot remember the specific instances but like there's been a time

or two where like you've cooked something off on Instagram and I've been like he's having a rough day and those are usually the times when I drop in your DMs and I'm like hey dude you do it okay Are you cool? But I won't hear this. What do I do that? When do I do that? I want to know. Instagram is my therapy.

All I have is like this laptop and the 78,000 domestic terrorists who make up. Like that's that's all it is. Like it's just that. Right. It's just that. And the FBI agent who I am inevitably on the watch list of. So aren't we all? So like I don't know.

When do I pop? I don't know. When do I? Is it usually one of my like, what posts do I have that's like that goes, I'm just curious on what post. some of what posted would be i can't remember specifics now if i went back and found him i'm sure i could but like you said i mean it's just every now then he just i can tell like oh he's having a rough day i i never have a rough day because of social media i don't have i don't have any good i don't have any following i mean i don't think so i don't i shouldn't when i say i don't think so is i

don't have any there's only one person who doesn't like me on reddit and i'm not going to say his name it's eOD fish but um i i i i was going to say his name but i say his name but he doesn't like any of the gear i don't we don't care he doesn't like any of the gear i produce but to be fair has he bought any of it no he'm not going to oh all right then he can eat dick who cares comments that he has said i went after all of them and did them all so i don't know so that's when i go okay well he said a few things about it so i was like okay great so i'm going to copy it like for the reason um the new for example the new vicarian placard it actually has uh it has six rolls of six columns of molly so it's a cross that's because he called my gear cheap and said that

because it only has five it was stupid and dumb and then i got really offended so i made sure we had six interesting so i read i read those comments that are on uh redid and they hurt my feelings constantly i should look at what my what my derma plate carrier has across the front of it i think it's only got five yes but no the answer is as far as social media goes i never have like i've never been on something like oh my god i'm just getting ragged in the comments i don't really say anything that would cause that i don't think so i i catch flack in social media every once except when i go on twitter and just suggest that like hey this shotgun is cool then i get death threats like wait what like what it's like you're a cuck piece of shit fuck you you love you love twitter though

but by the way it's not even like the shot i'm not even saying like i like the mossberg shockwave it's like what do you guys think of the remington eight 70 which is like a hundred year old like whatever it's like an 80 year old shock then at this point and it's like you are a cuck jew piece of shit i'm like from a post about a remington eight 70 i'm like somebody really must like be a bossburg fan boy i don't know this is why i continue to say that the internet is is not real life. Oh, it's, it's definitely not. That's what happened.

I'm not gonna talk about it too deep, but when, my worst day on the internet was the week after Trump announces tariffs and I'm fighting with every bot in the world about what a tariff, but by the way, not about the, I'm not gonna get into it. Not about the efficiency of tariffs. I'm not gonna get into it, I'm not gonna bring it out.

I'm going just about what a tariff is, like the definition. Yes. And I'm on Twitter being like, no, you piece of shit, it's a tax on imports. I'm like, you're fighting bots, like you're clearly fighting bots oh for sure some of it is absolutely bots because there's no way you can get people responding that rapidly about when they're real people right correct

and not that many comments saying identical things and i really got to stop arguing with like greek statue pfps like i really got to cut that out i got to really i don't you guys on Twitter. Are you guys on it? Oh, okay. God. I have, I have a film on Twitter. Okay. But in the name of full disclosure, I limit my most of my social media to like the barest minimum necessary to like market a podcast. Puppies on Rumbas. Well, and then talking with my fellow autists, but that's about it. Like, I don't know. I just, I don't take, I don't take social media seriously enough. It's my life, which is really bad. I think it has to do a little bit. bit with the generation Phil grew up in though thanks Nick at least once a show he has to remind me I'm old well man

Facebook was a major part of social life when I was going through high school I mean it's like wasn't thought of when I went through I know but like supplemental right it's just something yeah yeah I get it because you're just like Facebook is just a place you go to stock your ex-girlfriend and like you know just Facebook is a place I go to buy dead people stuff right it works out great it's cheaper for everybody but when it becomes like my my business is 100% social media everything is yeah so everything they do every not and now my other job my full-time job is marketing as well so not as much social media in that one it's still social media adjacent at least yeah i'm on google all the time with google ad words is a service business but the answer is yes because mark you know a bad comment on mine when someone says rebel you're ripping us off fuck you you're drop shipper i have to then i write now the answer is that person problem that i know that person's like that not tell the truth but i then write out going no i'm not a drop tripper i don't make in china here's right here's where i do this stuff here's the company i like list it all out the answer is the person really care about what i have to say no they don't care i just go uh oh very good example

here's a good one right actually have right here when i did my first launch no one like cared but my some of my pool tabs had an issue right some of them had an issue the the ranger green ones they were pop right so i went on instagram i went on facebook i went on on Twitter and I went on email like the second I found out about and said, Hey, it's just the Ranger Greens for the most part, but you get a free replacement let me know everyone was like positive about that like everyone wrote like they're saying this is a good job. Hey dude people like accountability. Right. Yeah. And I think but now if I if I was like I hate saying like this

but I was like boomer tier PR they would go to don't say anything cover it up like yeah, we'll do it quietly only the customers have a problem just let then it would blow up on social let them come to us yeah right but now because i was raised with social media in a way i now know that it will find out everything you do no matter of what you do so just go out there and just say just go out there and go yeah yeah no that happened with me and then nobody cares everyone's like yes exactly and i don't i don't disagree with anything you're saying because there are companies out there that that is kind of their their go-to is like i wasn't

going to go there. But yes, sick is among them. But then on the other side of things, you do get some of these companies that are very old and very well established. And I don't know that they're run by boomers, but I wouldn't be shocked. But like RCBS, I reloaded moan ammo. Years ago, I got given, given a set of dyes from the 1970s from my father, because he wasn't reloading with him anymore. And I started loading 38 special through 7 Magnum. And I came to realize fairly quickly that like the way these dyes were set up they were not set up the way modern 38 special rcbs dyes are set up uh the some pieces and parts just weren't i weren't the same as they were 40 years ago so i called up the i called up the company and said hey this situation this set of dyes from the

70s like do i just need to go buy a new set or do i need so am i missing some parts so that i can reconfigure these because like this these dyes are like depriming on the expanding step and And that's not the way your current dyes are set up. So he was like, how old are the dyes you're, you know, you got? And I'm like, well, my dad got, my dad gave them to me. They're from probably like the mid to late 70s. So he said, oh, I know exactly what parts you're missing. Give me your home address.

So I gave my home address and said, what I owe you for me? He said nothing. Keep using those dyes. Have a good day. Hung up on me. A week later, I had a box in the mail of all the parts I needed and a handwritten letter. Now, basically saying, that's customer service now this wasn't a set of dyes i bought right this was set my dad bought 40 years ago

and used for a long time put them on a shelf and then gave them to me to continue using an rcb and the guy i talked to in customer service was like i don't want money i want you to keep using your father's old dyes so there are companies out there that do take that perspective like taking care of the customer always yields more business and judging by the amount of green shit on my reloading bench. I'm pretty sure they've made their money off of me. Yeah, I think I've got like a fat 50 calcampful RCPS dies. On that topic, I'll announce it right here because I actually have it next to me. I'm going to do a little bit of self-promotion. Go for it, man. If you were to clip this, you can, but just hold on to the clip, but I'm going to promote. Because the reason I'm saying,

because you just said this. So with the vicarian, this came standard. It was just the standard, you know, the placard, right? I have the interview here. Number one, we're coming with we're coming with five we're sorry the the first version came with three pull tabs now it'll have five that we don't have to sacrifice the pull tabs if you use a seven six two insert but basically the new thing that I've done on the placard is not just the six mall the molly columns but the new placard is adjustable on the back so these clips are adjustable there's a reason I'm saying trust me ties into your service so your story so these clips are adjustable actually and I it's going to come with a piece of one wrap you can hold it in place but the clips on the back are

adjustable and you can obviously remove this buckle right here so if you want to change up the system and then it's going to have a piece of one wrap that will come to that will come uh so that way if you would like put up really high like for an AK mag you can take your one wrap right here and then you could use this guy to secure it around like that nice and then you can you have extra pressure as opposed to just the piece of Velcro now not just to promote my product So the main change of the vicarian is going to be the placards adjustable. To what you just said, and I'll say, this is the first I'm telling anybody this right here on the podcast, is if you bought the original vicarian, I have ordered, because the original vicarian, I sold 500 ranger green and 500 coyote. And this applies to international orders to.

If you bought an original vicarian, I have ordered 500 Ranger green and 500 coyote placards, which I will send to you for free. nice so now the only thing i'm going to ask for is if they want to shipping and handling on it that's it just to shipping and handle yeah the item so i shouldn't say for free shipping and handling but i'm sending out the new placard because like people buy gear and then the new version comes out and then they go well now so i said i actually specifically made 500 ranger green 500 coyote in this style for and i have it reserved no one else has it reserved for the previous customers of the vicarian and i will send the placard to you for free i might might just have like a $5 shipping and handling just to cover it, which I think is more than fair

to send that. That's an awesome move, man. I really think of that. The reason why I mention that is not just a product thing, but because you said about customer service and about old school values. So like I said, you bought the vicarian first. Essentially, the main change is basically this. Yes, I have NIR, which I could get into in a second, but NIR resistant materials.

And yes, this has six columns, but the big one is the plaque, the placard is the most. Yeah, being adjustable. And that, the placard would be free for. customers who bought the original vicarian. That's cool, man. So that way you're not left in the dirt when you go, hey, I just bought this. I did your first drop. And like you said, when you had these dyes, it didn't work.

And the guy sent you a brand new free pair. That's what I'm doing with this. That's awesome. Yeah. So I didn't mean to like go full self-sponsor there, but you mentioned the customer service story. And I was like, well, that's, that's right in line. Yeah.

That's, that's fantastic. You're supporting the people that support you. And then I'll make these indivision people combine if they want. But for the original. Customers, free. Free, you're going to get one for free. And I do just have to say it since we're talking about, like, what's changed on the vicarian. I'm not going to lie.

And I can't be the only one. But I got a little bit aroused when I found out you were doing a drop in M81 Woodland. Yes. Yes. Okay. Now, my love in the name of full disclosure, y'all, y'all just have to bear with me for a second. I enlisted in 2000. Okay.

I grew up wearing that shit. matter of fact that shit playing paintball I yes so did I I was I was in J ROTC running around of the woods doing dumb shit wearing you know old M81 BDUs way before I was old enough to enlist and then I enlisted

and got a full set and then had to trade them in temporarily for DCU to make it point to Iraq it wasn't chocolate chip at least oh okay that's what I was thinking of I thought I think DCU is dope I thought I mean I don't know if it was dope it was a okay but

I was in a OIF 2 on the the buildup. So like we were wearing DCUs and tan boots but our Humvees were half green and half brown. We were wearing an M81 plate carriers

and we had DCU helmet covers on top of green helmets. Shake and bake special. I mean well okay but again we literally got told hey fuckers it's time to go overseas and earn your pay and we had i mean we're at where listen we were a national guard unit from freaking south

east louisiana every son of a bitch and thing we own was green because look around there's it's fucking green there 11 months of the year what you've gotten snow twice in eight years yeah exactly twice in eight years why would you have winter camo you're damn sure not going to have desert camo i'd be rain more days than you don't dude even the be even beaches around here aren't that sandy i mean right it's more rocky yeah between the rocks and the mangroves so yeah i when i found out there was m81 coming down the pipe i literally told nick i'm like okay i'm like you figure out what you want in in on this pre-order but i want i want one of everything in m81 and i want it yes speaking of that yeah i had the m81 right here this is the nylon we use it

i i was irrationally excited when you announced that here's the next part oh go sorry go ahead because this one was actually made in polish woodland if you can kind of tell maybe it's a little bit because i i need that duty pack in woodland that's all i'm saying i really need that duty so i have too many backpacks as it is the duty pack i don't think the duty pack was killed by the taylor on the vietnam store now i would pay so much more money for that here's the next question very i'm glad you said that because how much would you pay because i basically have to have it at $185 for it to come in. Oh, dude, no question.

I still think that's a reasonable cost for that backpack. Do you have any idea how much I've paid for some of my backpacks? Well, my goal was to always keep it consistently down one, behind at least, 165 at the most, 150 at best. I do not shy away from a $200 backpack. I have a, I have a hiking day pack that was like $2.75 and that I just use for fucking around on local trails. If I didn't have the tariff, the extra 20,

because there's already a 17.6% tariff on the good begin with. Now there's a 20% blanket. So now my tariff rate is essentially 40%. That's rough. So that's why I'm like, I mean, $200 pack to me, that's not an issue. I mean, it doesn't sound like a value on my end. But it does to me.

I mean, man, when I go to REI on a 15-liter day pack, I'm dropping 275. I was about to say like my, my my business marketing brain is kicking into high gear like what what I usually do like on the coffee company because we also got impacted by the tariffs is we have to benchmark our prices against the rest of the market and that's not to figure out what we're going to price at because we always price at like X percent over cost because our goal has always been like support the community support the coffee nerd and like keep the cost down so quite frankly you'd mention earlier that when the tariffs kicked in you basically ate it, we didn't have that option disaster coffee because we were all running our running our margin so thin. If our cost goes up like three, four percent and we still allow those discount codes that are out there like MOF, at that point we're selling the coffee a loss.

So like we had to come up on our cost because there's just no margin left to sacrifice. Now, the few items we have that do have more margin than that because we just have our cost down so low on those items. we ate the cost difference and didn't raise the price because we could afford to. But from your perspective, if the cost you have to sell the bag at not to lose your butt is still substantially less or even a margin less than the rest of the market, it seems to me like if there's demand. The problem with the bag is it doesn't make much money to begin with. It's also one of the reason why can I out of business is it just bags don't have a high margin to begin with? No, they imagine they have a lot of production costs wrapped up in them.

Well, they do. I mean, look at how many pieces of cloth you got to sew together for a bag. I mean, it's three different layers of stitching for that main zipper alone. Well, and I'm thinking not just that, but the fact that it's, so I know that a plate carrier is not like a two-dimensional piece, but a bag is like multiple layers sewn on top of each other. Like, I can only imagine what it takes to, like to put in the machine work to make from pattern and fabric to bag. Like, that just seems more complicated. It is. It is. And yeah.

And I also over. build everything. So then the factory gets mad at me because they're like, you don't need this. So I double, I double pad where I need it. And then I double stitch. And then I also use, I now we're using bonded thread. So bonded thread is like usually what you use for backpacks. I use that for everything. So then I use, and then I use, you're basically reinforce like hardcore bonded thread for everything. And then on top of that, I've even shown the video. I use, um, we've been, we've been doing bar tack stitching where you don't need it just to really make sure that everything lasts as long as it can. And it's,

on that one another piece that would definitely drive the price of the backpack up but with the woodland here unfortunately i could get it done with i also here's the webbing so you guys can check the webbing it's not like oh it's even woodland webbing it's not like this this one i think the pattern was a little smaller but the webbing itself is not like you know crazy again i don't do anything out of china but when i say this like again not even my raw but these are all from south Korea, by the way. Not even my raw materials are from China. Nice. You get like the foreign woodland, which is like really blotchy. It looks like something out of like Contra. Yeah. But so you can tell the same size. And I still applied and will be the only company in the industry. I will be posting

my NIR data for this in its basic form on the website. So I don't want to say NIR compliance. I don't want EOD fish coming after me. But because compliance is like a whole, I don't even know how you get that. I actually have no idea how you even get NIR complaint, like the rating. It starts with a DOD contract and bribing politicians. Okay. So I don't have access to any of that. So what I did do, though, was I did all the research I could. The only people I could find who objectively post, because if I say NIR, you go, okay, well, then just find the standard. I go, but that standard doesn't even exist as to what it even is. I could. I, really. I, I, what i'm saying is from my maybe i'm wrong i'm not going to die on the hill from my research the only

standard i could find where it says meet this down the line was the nato standard not united states oh where it just all it said was basically if i could get it if i could be right now again maybe someone proves me wrong and if you can prove me wrong great send me the data so that i can look yeah i mean more information's always good but all i could find was nato had some standard And basically, it seemed like the United States standard was vibes-based testing, which was we put nods on and hit you with with with IR light and you didn't glow. So you're good. Okay.

That's kind of what I got from it. But the reason I bring that up is for the nylon, I made an order for all front. Now, the interior nylon, I don't give a shit if it glows, but I made. Yeah, what does that matter? I made the standing order all exterior facing nylon and parts will have some sort of NIR solution dye. For the fat for these webbing, the issue is the fabric itself lent itself to a shine because it's just what the webbing is. So I don't think this is going to come up great, but it'll just come up like kind of just darkish, I think, or maybe even a little bit lighter. But the point is this stuff, all of it, Coyote, Ranger Green and M81 was all made with what I just say, NIR resistance in mind.

I don't want to say clients because people will freak the fuck out because they're saying you don't actually have the form. So I tried to find the standards. I got the NATO standards. I will be posting all of the wavelength data, which literally nobody else does in the whole industry. I'll be posting exact wavelength data and how it shows up on a spectrometer. That's the level of I have per color on the website. And I have also ordered. So if you look right here the ranger green this is the ranger green nile um velcro i also ordered the same solution died used on the velcro too nice so not can i name other companies if you look at higher tier Gucci companies and you throw your nvgs on and look at them you'll notice that their

nylon is and i are quiet but their velcro isn't interesting so plate carriers that usually have a lot a Velcro, not all carriers. I think like, if I look at the T-Rex Arms AC1, it's actually very good, right? Yeah. Um, a, I'll only, I'll only be positive. So like the T-Rex arms AC1, they did solution dye and everything. So they look nice. I have seen other Gucci tier carriers do, uh, where the nylon is good, but then their Velcro, that's reflective. Mm. That makes sense. Yeah. Oh, I actually solution died the Velcro too. To my knowledge, the only other company is like i think t rx arms does it they do i always trying to find out what die they were using me and i have an ac one over here their their die was very good i don't know what

the thanks their diet was really good but um i yeah so the reason why i keep mentioned the nir is i did a lot of research on it was a pain in the ass i still don't understand why this one's allowed to be lighter but this has to be i don't i never understood that so but the answer is as far as i understand i'm the only company um i think the next person who does the most amount of posting about NIR, the Shaw concepts, but I think he just shows pictures of his gear saying, like, hey, it shows up pretty well. Right. I don't know if he posts his data.

I don't know. Maybe he doesn't have the data. Maybe he just buys it from a contractor, I mean, from a supplier. Hey, this is what it is. But yes, I have meticulously went through NIR. Again, the best I can find with some tertiary examples of what it should be for United States, got it looked like a fucking villain with his lighting. Jesus.

I look like it's not not that bad and then like I said I use the NATO that might be worse I use the I think it's actually worse okay I use like I said the NATO and you're good I'm just giving you shit I'm watching his fucking lights on I use the NATO standard wow okay to do the right I'm not being funny anymore let's let's continue everyone know everyone else the gear is good I made sure didn't glow in her night vision everyone can put away their jokes about glowing like a fad and there you go but now again to be fair i know it's going to happen right all i do you should give up on it all i do know is going to happen is the people who like it will like it and the people who didn't want my gear anyways won't be convinced they'll find we'll find the next thing to say no too they'll go

no actually this wasn't from the anus of caleb cry so i don't want it whatever yeah so i get it man god if i could just ban one word from the English language, it would be actually, at least for social media. So anyways, I want to talk about something more fun. That was just me going on a little tirade about the NIR compliance of, oh, sorry, resistance. I don't want to say compliance because I don't want to be fucking wrong. It's important because a lot more guys are getting into night vision. I'll be honest and say, I don't know if it's important.

Because I don't know. I actually kind of think the whole thing's kind of dumb. But I can't be the kid who says, the SATs are stupid and then you go, what did you score and you go, well, 200, right? Right. But if I say the SATs are stupid and then you go, what did you score? And I go, 2,200. You go, oh, shit.

Okay. Okay. Yeah, they were stupid for you. Yeah, they were. Right. So then I go, yeah. So my premise has always just been to do this. And again, I didn't raise, by the way, just to be clear, even with the tariffs and

the new costs, I haven't raised any of my prices past MSRP. Which is shocking. Well, it's not shocking if you're okay with being. just poor. If you're just like, yeah, that's fucking whatever. It's all right. But it, but it's shocking that you were able to do it without like having to write a check to make up the difference. I guess what I'm saying. Like your gear is already so reasonably priced that when these tariffs came in, I guess I just, I like most of your

customers probably naturally assume, well, the price is going to go up a little bit, but hell with it, it would be worth it. And then when you came out and said, no, no, I'm not raising the prices. I was like, did you like call up Satan on speed, make it like sell your soul make a deal how the hell satan so many times he doesn't take my phone calls and when he does i found out he was working for state farm i thought that was just pathetic so i just stopped it is that was a horrible joke i was trying to be funny i was trying to be funny i was horrible i don't think i don't know i think about me and all my friends and i think that satan would probably be like um we don't we're not operating a charity here you're a little too

that's what like do you think like because people say that to me they go you made a deal at the devil i go what is that deal do is there like a mansion i get to me that was i supposed to be wealthy and famous said that it happened what like what is but why does the devil always have such good marketing branding yeah but what about like is if they go you go to make a deal the devil is it is it like a nice house is the like what is the surf and turf how good is it at satan's house is it good probably fantastic it's pretty good it is a good loss would have to be it would have to be

to be worth it it would be worth it right yeah i would think so i would sell my soul for like two marvel movies like you get to be cap in america in two marvel movies oh yeah wait do you get royalties because if you do knowing saint i just get killed off

immediately uh and then i have no music career oh no movie career but no that was like uh alpha charley concepts agreeing with you the bonded threads the way to go 100% I use bonded trends and all my stuff as well it's the way to go

yes we upgraded to bond we upgraded to bond I didn't have any issues with the other stuff we were using it was just a good thread but yeah I upgraded to bonded thread I said actually let me text them right now by the way go ahead

let me text me for those of us that don't know shit nor shine ola about materials what makes it bonded I don't know so essentially what it is it's like it's like the difference between just a braided

string and the string where the braided material is also chemically bonded together. So like Tardbank line versus 20. Okay. That's the difference. I figured the machinist would know better than the business. Well, it's actually the fisherman's side of me that

knows that. Same difference. Going back through a couple of comments because I've just been like starring these as we kept going. Another from Alpha Charlie concepts. You're not alone. I always try to source N.I.R. Compliant materials. as well. But if I can't, it's not a priority. Fair enough. I mean, that's a fair. That's a fair point.

If it doesn't exist to be bought, I can't fault you for not buying it. I, um, yeah, I'm gonna look of alpha trolley concepts here. The, there's, that's a good point because like, you're not able to grab everything because even then the idea of the idea of NIR compliance is like difficult because they don't, like I said, there's, there's very few objective standards for that to meet. So it's kind of all the place. But yeah, I grabbed as much as I could. So the overall signature should be reduced. Nice. My son, graduate, U.S.N.C. boot, shot

expert three points off top shot for his class. Hell yeah, there you go. Like, yeah, dude. Hell, yeah. I've actually met the Oliveras in person. They swung by, uh, had breakfast. They had breakfast with me and my wife a year ago, maybe two years ago.

Anyway, but yeah, cool people. And then Joe, just saying radios are sore. Actually, let's see the guy who wrote Star Trek Troopers at a certain point technology is indistinguishable for magic it is yeah any any technology sufficiently advanced is indistinguishable for magic perfect there you go see i bastardize it with my stupid speak but yes you're all good yeah no i'll be the first admit like i i i am not a full-blown radio nerd despite the fact i was going to say you're pulling out weather data off and noa five come on now i still don't understand how they work i can't get into radios i just don't get it i don't

understand how they work i just assume it's magic pixies it's fine As long as you know what the buttons do, you're good. I've tried so hard. Funny you mention that. I've tried so much. I actually have a topic for me and Nick to unpack one day, but it's going to take some legwork ahead of time to explain how radios work. Just because I feel like being a nerd and three people on the entire internet might find.

Cell phones work on the radio wave. Yeah, they do. Yeah. Your microwave works on a radio wave. A cell phone is, is. A cell phone is a Beofang with a digital computer hooked up to it. So then why can't we just, okay, then why can't you just put that in consumer form for like radios? Well, they exist.

They're cell phones. Right. But I meant like in the radio sphere. Like why hasn't someone, how can someone has an amplify the radio? They, well, they're not in your car. So a couple of things. First of all, like kind of has. There's a thing called DMR.

and there's also packet radio service where you can send like digital data packets over radio waves with some of the handbands like that's all been done. Some of that is limited by federal regulations though. Yeah, I was going to say that that's really where you run a foul is like the FCC does not permit certain things on certain channels, but the thing that really makes cell phones work

that you really cannot reproduce on radios nearly as well is that like with the cell phone, when you pick up your cell phone and you try to call somebody, what you do is you send a signal to your nearest tower that routes through this massive telecom backbone, and it finds that other number

anywhere within this service area, which is basically the entire country, and their nearest tower contacts their phone, and then you two hook up to your respective towers and communicate through that cell network. So it's not like I'm talking to that phone. I'm talking to the tower. That tower is talking to a computer,

buried in the ass of a building someplace and that computer is talking to that tower and that tower is talking to that person. The closest analog you could have to that would be with ham radio where you can link repeaters together. So you can have a repeater and the output frequency of this repeater is the input frequency of another repeater and then these repeaters talk to each other. So if you talk to your repeaters, you talk to each other through those repeats. I've never been able to hit a repeater.

No matter how many times I've tried, I never get it to sync up. You've got to have the talk codes and you have to have the listening and the broadcasting channel correct. If we sat down with your radio and a programming software, we could figure it out pretty easy. Elf Charlie Concept says bonded thread has a wax-like coating on it that helps protect the thread and also lubricates the passage through the Cordura and the webbing itself. So yeah, a lot like Tard Bankline. You've got a material on there to slightly protect and lubricate the thread. I know I mean I just messes my factory I'm like you know we're going bonded thread right I said to do that so I'm like I'm pretty sure they are they're there they're like you don't need to do it it's too much I'm like no we're doing the bonded threat we're doing yeah we're you got to be demanding with stuff like that for sure it it pisses me off when I fight back on that one yeah because I remember I try to hook up to a repeater I just couldn't get it right because that's what I want the bow thing to be like here's the app repeater number one LA I click it goes you're now connected retalking we're going to do you do you have the programming cable and chirp set up for your bail thing

no idea either one of those are okay so you can get to he's trying to program through the face god the face plate sucks don't do it don't bother well that's what i meant with the tech that you guys like they already have i go no i want to be able to buy my bow fang and go press preset right repeater your area press repeater locked in go on instagram now and talk about how much of an expert you What you might consider, and it doesn't have the same capabilities as ham radio, but you might consider GMRS. It's a good in-between stuff. Yeah, and GMRS is, it's the radio service I use because it's channelized. It's the radios come pre-programmed for the most part.

It's much simpler for the layperson to pick up. My big thing is like, I could figure out how to run a ham radio. It's not that damn difficult compared to some of the really weird shit I've learned over the years. but the big problem is I'm never going to convince my wife to go take the freaking test and do all the studying and all that shit

whereas with the GMRS radio it's one license for the family and I can throw my 13 year old daughter at radio and have to be talking to her in under 30 seconds it's just it is the radio service for the lay person that doesn't want to be a radio nerd

they just want a functional tool and the thing about that is most GMRS repeaters do have either a CTS or DETS tone programmed into it to kind of like obscure unwanted frequencies if you're not trying to get into the repeater

but those are published and they're not that hard to program. Now for your Bayofeng though the Bayo Fangs are not that easy to program from like you're just your buttons on the radio. There is a cable that you can buy that plugs into the side of your radio, plugs into the USB on your computer and interfaces with a free software called CHRP,

where you can just type in exactly what you want. You can copy and paste the talk codes, the frequencies offline into your radio, and you can name it this repeater and save it to your better. As a matter of fact, if you can find someone local to you who already has that repeater,

you want to talk to your program in theirs, you could literally take the software and the cable plugging into their radio, copy their programmed onto the computer, and then push that program onto yours and then you will have every single channel they have. It takes programming the radio from a couple hour endeavor of one button clicks to do everything to minutes.

Also, if you have to program a whole bunch of radios for a whole family, like this asshole has several on several occasions, it's a lot faster to just build one program and then just like... clone them all. Yeah, plug it in, hit a button, wait 45 seconds, unplug it, plug in the next one, hit the button, and just run the program into multiple videos. There's some fantastic YouTube videos on,

on how to really get a lot out of the chirp too what is there like hardcore radios like for example i know like the hs 1 000 which is the ones that the la pp uses is they're like hardcore like i know both things but like where is where can i get myself a pr 148 right um you're going to want to talk to the ham guys we could probably put you in contact with some of the uh some of the coms guys we were talking through on sunday okay yeah they they will they will though they're going to ask you what do you want to do with the radio and that answer will dictate what they recommend i want to hot mic emergency channels just hold down the hot mic i want to do felonies on air yeah i want to get an emergency channel for la fire and just hold down the talk button and make sure no one gets a

firefighter they they almost certainly are on a digital trunk system which is a whole other level which you can watch but you can't listen to i don't know so what a trunk of does that present prevent exactly what I'm talking about? Yes. It's an encrypted digital trafficking system, basically, is what it is. So you can't just hot mic. By the way, FDI agent, I'm making a joke. I'm not going to do that.

I don't know how. No, so basically what it is is like, it's kind of like if you have multiple channels coming in on your Ethernet at once, the different ports. Right. If channel number one is full, it kicks you to channel number two. If one and two are full, it kicks you to three. If one opens up, now somebody else can jump into one. even though you're all broadcasting on the same band okay because i remember in the i hate saying

like this but in the marine corps we had PR which only the marine core had for their black gear which was the PRC 153 which is just the inner like the supposed to the squad radio right yeah and i believe that one actually had some sort of crypto key that you could use for it does yeah but no one knew how to set it up so we just use like channel one right and then some dumb ass would just put it in the moly pocket but it'd be too tight and then it would hike the entire fucking platoon. It was like, direct the gun. And I'm like, all I hear is a guy swearing in Spanish this entire time.

I don't know what you want me to do. It's like, well, call it. And I'm like, call what in? There's no one to talk to. This has been mariachi music for the last 20 minutes. Like I don't know, like the guy. I don't know what's going on. And it's like, yeah, I remember that.

The crypto key is what you just said. Like, you can do all this. I'm like, are we going to do it? No, no one knows how. I'm like, oh, well, okay. But here's the key, and if you lose it, you're going to have to talk to the president of the United States himself. I'm like, that's not true, but no, I'm not going to lose the key.

First off, I'm leaving that in my foot locker. Yeah, I remember crypto. It's like, what? Doesn't work? What? This is why communications is its own, friggin, MOS, because radio nerds are wizards are wizards. I am not a radio nerd. I'm just, no more than the internet.

according to Twitter I need to in order to be a basic bitch male in society I need to have a friend group that is basically an ODA right I like do you have a friend who is

trained in expert levels of maneuver and guerrilla warfare do you have a friend who's trained in communication do you have seven friends who have the proficiency of Jerry Micklich with the endurance of Usain Bolt who are your shoes and do you have a network of a hundred different people who can gather intelligence in your local area and feed to

and I go, I can't get my mother to text me, though. I don't know what the fuck you're talking about when it comes to having an intelligence network. Are you fucking kidding me? What? Well, your intelligence network can be as simple as your local Facebook groups. I've been throttled on Instagram. I'm not connecting. I'm not getting any intelligence. Okay, your local Facebook group, I live with a bunch of goddamn boomers. The Facebook group is just going to be, someone stole my chihuahua i think it was one of the hawks like then yeah but i i'm just going that's what twitter to twitter tells me i need to be able to commit maneuver warfare out of my pt cruiser all the time so i don't know well i mean if you're going to roll a pt cruiser you might as well be

rolling full seats didn't they try and do that when they try to kidnap gregion whitmer didn't they like weren't they like roll another pt cruiser was it a pt cruiser i thought it was a minivan right minivans are dope oh yes yeah dude minivans are great for kidnappings apparently they're i don't know that I never thought this would be the timeline, man, but I think I'd prefer a minivan over. Well, yeah, it's got the sliding door. You can get two guys in at once. Remember, now I know the name. Throughout Gwatt, we were thrown 50 trillion Arzakawi because they're all Muhammad Arzakari names.

Don't remember that one thing. It was in Tripoli where Delta Force straight up just kidnapped someone out of a minivan. They had the foot. They had the street camera. They remember they're showing them news because it was, it was a finance minister of, you know, of ISIS. and he was, I believe, in Tripoli. He was, like, walking the streets of Tripoli. It sounds like something we would do.

Yeah, you just see a white minivan pull up. And, no, was it? Could have been a panel van. Because I'm trying to, if I remember correctly, it was, no, okay. So what had happened was, the van pulled up to grab him. And that Delta was in that van, the minivan to grab him. That guy's security van pulled up to intercept. And then I guess the passenger, because I guess it's just a regular van, the passenger rolled down his window and stuck an AK out.

You see the Delta operator just grab the AK and just pull it out of his hands. And then just get in the mini van and try go, did they just jack that guy's security's AK? And then Jack there for that. And I know you figure out his security was just two guys in a van, right? With a guy. That was his security. I'm like, did Delta just fucking steal this guy? The security details gun?

Yep. Well, gunned and van on the Odyssey and just drive off in a foreign country. If anybody's gun up. But it is important to remember that like you military special forces guys are basically like hood rats with DOD he credentials. I mean, they literally get paid to do things that would get you on a most wanted list. And that's before they kill people. That's just stealing stuff, breaking stuff, sabotage, stirring up rebellions. I mean, that's their job.

that's their day job that's fun to them right but then we so yes jacking your person's AK and then jacking his van they probably giggled about that that night oh you know you know that they that they crashed that fan into something stupid just because or watch I'm gonna fuck this shit up everything he said is true they also might have probably tried to sell

Arzal Kaui in the black market and then funnel it with drug money which is what they also do on a case just throwing it out there they do do that too the CIA has been known to smuggle drugs and weapons yes before before they reported back to the DOD they might have tried to sell him online they might have just like one of them might have tried to do that right one of them might have just that's not out of the realm of possibility uh with those guys but you know like so like i said i'm i'm a good old fashioned infantry guy just send me in the massive ways to be completely ripped apart by the enemy and then

lie to my mom and dad about how I died well yeah because when I when I in the future war of 2035 as I as you know as President Taylor Swift declares war on Europa where the fuck it is and I'm completely sucked into the

turbine of an Amtrak fucking you know amphibious landing vehicle and I just get sucked in the turbine and shot out the back of the propeller and my parents get to put my Chinese made American flag on the mantle for Thanksgiving they can point to me with a half cold can of a and w soda and go he was a hero and people like yeah he died a hero he's like no he got sucked into the turbine of an amtrak and then they just let him die

like that happens it happens i got in the way of the amtrak i shouldn't have been in that way and just ran me right over happen for sure yeah i mean turbines are rated e for everyone yeah just get sucked right in right well i saw an at 35 i thought it was cool got sucked into the intake hey is what it is if i had my so rebel i was just going to ask him about that pre-sale yes i haven't been talking a little bit about your gear yes so um i am unbelievably nervous and i have this thing that this pit in my stomach that prevents me from doing anything i don't know why okay um so i don't have a pre-sale date my mind is saying because as i was literally texting the factory as we're talking they just said yes we're doing a bond that am i i have i only have one kind of

contract employee max sure designer and he's like let me send you a list of all the stuff we're doing because i'm tired of you fucking asking me every so he doesn't say i have sent two of those emails this week right he didn't say that out loud that's what he's thinking he's like dude it's that's exactly what he's thinking like jesus christ how many times i was waiting for the woodland carrier at least one of each to be done to take pictures of it but then i realized my website is all coyote photos so i'm like what am i waiting for exactly because i don't know but um yes i'm doing a pre-order i'm going to announce it i am absolutely terrified it will fail i am so fucking scared i want to give you money i know i'm here's the the the problem was my first not a problem it's a

good thing my first launch went so well it's the equivalent of being an 18 year old guy and your first girlfriend is scarlet johansen well and you're just like yeah we don't know like you could get lucky you could bang a friend after this but i'm just letting you know junior all downhill like just straight just straight down from there because that's a pretty good so my first launch i mean i sold out in like a month right okay i so i realistically i sold out in three days the only reason why i didn't sell out like quicker was because i kept fucking with the numbers because there's insecurities and autism i don't actually say ought to be funny i legitimately think developmental problems in my head again from all the meth i was given as a child to focus that'll happen now i know like i said now i now i can taste to color purple

right and um and i think playing in traffic is fun but right um so i have a pre-order coming up it's i'm just going to treat it like a restock and just say it's a restock and your gear will come so the gear is happening 100 percent i have coyote ranger green and woodland for all set so plate carrier med bag and sling. I don't have them up here with me, but I made some improvements to the med bags. The med bag is pretty cool in the sense of, you know what, fuck, let me go get it.

Can I just go get it? Yeah. While he's gone, though, I do have to say, he has not announced a pre-sale yet, but I'm going to bully his ass. I'm going to bully his ass. Because my birthday is October the 14th, and I would love to give him money by that.

That would be nice. We'll have to see when he gets back. That would be nice. I need a new plate carrier. I have a very old, well-worn condor. Yeah. And, um... My derm is holding up well, but...

I'm not opposed to trying new things. Yeah, well, I'm going whole hog and I want a vicarian an M-81 and also get trade out the steel plates for ceramic plates. Honestly, man. Best choice ever swapping out to the ceramics. I look I every time somebody has has growled me about that I have been the first to admit be like yes I want to get ceramic plates but at the time I got these the ceramic plate offerings were hideously expensive and not great from a durability standpoint I was at the same point I was just before like the HESCO I think what the 1188s or whatever the Hesco 1188's the RMA plates started coming out in the market I was like two three years before those hit the market and became reasonably affordable when I got my steel armor and granted I was mostly wearing that to

you know three gun stuff pistol matches stuff like that so not as big of a deal but gosh the ceramic ones are so much lighter for better protection my biggest issue was actually the fact that like at the time I got my set ceramic plates still suffered from the same problem they had when I was issued them which was if you dropped the sons of bitches and you crack the edge

of them they're done. Yep. And my issue at that time was I am a civilian the DOD is not supplying me all the time so... And the DOD is not paying for x-rays. Exactly. So it was just one of the situations where like at that time I made a

judgment and now that judgment no longer holds up because things are different now. Nice. The Vicarian change, the preor is coming up. Make sure it's not for in-stock notifications, but and then I know the light a little bit much there again I don't have a

I don't have lighting set up for studio bro I've got printer paper taped over a light bulb back here that's my lighting so same where do you think I got the idea oh god god I'm ugly as shit Jesus all right anyways so the vicarians new is going to have the placard I'm going to include five pull tabs I change the design of the pull tabs

but it's just pull tabs right the new design will just have a loop that ties. So you can actually adjust the length of the pull tab now as opposed to this one, which is fixed. But anyway, so the Vicarian will have this adjustable placard, six Mollet rows.

And then obviously I'm using NIR material across the board. And on the sizing of the Vicarian, I just slightly increased it just very tiny amount. That way it could fit a large, sapy, a medium sappy in a 10 by 12 plate or 10 by 12 triple multi or female curved plate. Oh, okay.

It's just the plate bag is just, slightly bigger, a little more giveaway so that way you can fit a large sappy than you can fit anything else below that. So if you're running like a smaller plate, just get a backer and now the vicarian will fit it. So you don't have the base to go out and buy. It's a large sappy carrier. I mean, the backers are king for comfort anyway. And on top of which in order in order to increase longevity, the back of the vicarian comes with padding on the back. As opposed to just straight usual like just nylon. It actually has a little bit of padding. So it lasts longer and it's comfortable. So then, and then I made the shoulder pads in the Vicarian more

cool guyish as opposed like the lab top sleeve they kind of were, the older school padding. So the Vicarian will just come all the same stuff. The main change is the placard. And of course, it's all NIR resistant material. This is what I wanted to go over. So this is the apothecary med bag. I will know this before. This one has a little bit of a wood. It's the woodland by the Polish woodland. But so I made some changes to the apothecary. The main change is was one is I made the bottoms actually fully removable. So you can actually pop off the bottom leg strap. Before, all you could do is pop off the strap.

You couldn't pop off the buckle. But I'll show it for right now. So this comes off completely. Then I made the interior Velcro on the end. You probably can't see it. But this is all Velcro. So you can take your inserts from the Vicarian. And I'm going to do it real quick.

all righty see i just demonstrated the tactile strength of my kit um also i reinforce stitching points on the top and bottom with box stitching i mean uh bar tack stitching but now you can take your inserts and actually put them inside the apothecary like so and then if you pop the bottoms off this isn't the old apothecary too but then this doubles up as a placard see there's the velcro So your med kit can double up as a placard so you can put this on your and then these guys fit with the vicarian's female buckles. So you put this right into the vicarium. Also, this also works as you guys, I don't know if anyone watching this knows, but the vicarian comes with an H harness. So the vicarian comes with the plate bags, an H harness and a Velcro walled adapter.

I don't have a vicarian with me to show anybody that. But the vicarian, it's a standard H harness. And then I have a walled adapter where you can take your wallet adapter and then you you can plug your H harness into this. You can form a standard micro rig configuration, but you can take the Vicarian H harness with this, then you put it into a Velcro wall adapter. You can pop the cumberbund off the Vicarian,

and now you can make a ready rig system. Now, the ATRN for the apothecary also works. So the production model have a little tab right here on the side, but you can also just put it on this, on this model, doesn't really matter. But you can run the Harness on this, and then you can run the included waist on this and now you have your own standalone chess rig off the apothecary which also has

the inserts in it and now here's a cool part so this where it gets like crazy I have so much interchangeability it's fucking nice so as I said this is the apothecary it works as a standalone placard it works as a standalone med bag right so you have your carrying strap up top you can just put this over your shoulder it does have a delete key it's just downstairs and you can you can utilize this as a standalone med bag a standalone placard and a standalone chest rig okay now i still have more though this is the apothecary i just i just twisted it my own fucking see i just did it my own video all right there you go this is the apothecary carrying strap right but you notice see this guy this apothecary carrying strap is a stand-alone

two-point slink so if you put it on the apothecary like so standard carrying strap, right? But as you know, most carrying straps, you have to adjust a little slider to get your length. This guy works just like a two-point sling. So you take it. And there you go. So quick adjust. So you want to have it close to your body? Just grab this edge, pull down. And now it's a quick adjust strap. Now you're going, okay, well, Rebel. What else you got? well you could pop this guy off and it comes with two removable female plastic clips you can take this off immediately and attach it let's say to your placard here and did i do it again no we're good okay and you can attach it to your placard if you wanted to let's say you have excess or you had this

mounted to your car or something like that you now have have your bandolier out of your placard. So gimmicky a little bit, but the answer is you can now have what you mean a USGI bandolier is six mags, right? Yeah. So you can take this. You can take two placards and stack them. And now you can have your own bandolier.

Now, here's a real cool part, what I said earlier, you're going. Okay. So let's think use case scenario. I have the apothecary hanging by my. let's just make sure i do this uh there you go so i have the apothecary right here did i overbuild this yes i did okay be clear right most people just can use it as a standard med bag that's fine so you go here is your apothecary okay i have this hanging in the back of my back of my truck i'm a cop i just have this in my car go with that for example i pop i go i got to grab my

vest and i got to grab my rifle i take the two shots needed for self-defense right not get into a gunfight and then i use this as a placard so i pop this off okay and i put this my plate carrier i'm a cop i put this on my little my little cop plate care in the back of my car i grab my patrol rifle i fire two rounds at the bad guy and now the scene's over and now i need to secure the area and i need to carry my rifle around well i am including two universal adapters right here, which will have the male buckle on the end right here. I just don't have it with me. And this guy, you can wrap through any rail like so. You can just take this. It's going to come looking like this. And you can just take this, put it through any rail you want.

And now you can leave these on your rifle. So when you pop it off, you can attach the two point sling to your rifle. Just imagine this with the male clip. Does it have the male clip on it? So it'll come with this male clip right here, this guy. It'll have one. And they'll get two of them that will come. with the apothecary it's not separate they'll come with it so very cool i know that's a lot maybe you guys can tell what you think but as i said this is a completely on its own and i did pull-ups on this thing it's a very strong little connector i would call it an emergency but this is on its own a standalone two-point sling nice it's a full so you can pop this off and just use it like and again the mounts are open-ended so you can just use this as a standard two-point thing if you wanted to but like i said i included the adapt

with the male buckles because this has a female buckle I include so like basically if you want to have this on your truck like you have your truck rifle and you have that apothecary just hang in there you can just leave this on your truck rifle right you have the two mounts and then if you ever needed a pop the carrying strap off the apothecary you can put the carrying strap right on your rifle and you have a fully functional not partially functional not kind of a fully functioning two-point sling that can hold up to about like I like probably 500 pounds cool

So, Rebel, you know, we mentioned, we mentioned the pre-order. Do you have a date in mind? I don't have a date in mind. But if you sign up, I have one more item. But if you sign up for the, on my website, on the, sign up for the in-stock notifications on the bottom, you can sign up for the email newsletter that will, that's going to be, it's going to be the next two weeks. It'll be soon, very soon. Oh, okay. So really soon.

Yes. And then I have, what I just did is I have it on my home defense shotgun here. but I just the gizbo glider same sling um it just I just increased the padding I called the twinky pad but I just increased the padding and then it's nylon on both sides the other side had like a little bit of a webbing I just tried a different design but this one has nylon on both sides and this one is also made with the same and the apothecary same NIR resistant material to my knowledge so this is a fully fun again I'm going to say that word but two point sling just like this one so it's just like the one I showed you except the back has actual padding as opposed to just

a piece of leather and uh yeah thick padding nice two point sling will be uh still nir resistant material so nir resistant material i don't know if anyone else but at least in the market they're at least like 70 bucks that slings going to be about 30 25 bucks and then it's good value for a sling the each gizmo glider will come with i'm gonna it's the same thing in the apothecary but it just doesn't have the adapter for the mail buckle it's gonna come with these right here nice so what you can do with these it'll come with two of them per sling so when you get and also the two little uh hair ties that you can just keep the sling down when you get this you can take this run it through your magpole ctr or literally any surface on your gun and then you

can run the gizmo glider through the mount you know just run it through and now you have universal sling you can put this on any rifle you want so if you get the sling if you get your if you get the gizmo glider sling you don't have to worry about getting a speedy mounts or pair i'm assuming everyone has their mounting system already but if you go no i just got the sling and now i have to put up my rifle i just got this will work on literally any gun ever because you just have to basically just loop it through just like so loop it now you have this hanging on your rifle then you can take the end of the gizmo glider just run it through like you would any other mounting system and now you have it mean the g why is this is from fucking slings from 20 years ago but hey man it's

it's classic because it works yeah and it is impossible for it to break it'll never like fall off rifle because it's tied on there and you can adjust the length of the the shock cord you can do less or more and on top of which like i said it's a sling that come with its own universal mounts so you you don't have to go out and spend another 15 bucks or 20 bucks on a qd system if you have it you have it but you can mount you can mount the gizmo glider to anything you want right away on your weed whack or whatever go for it so that's everything and then i don't have a pre-order date but it's going to be the next two weeks very soon awesome so Because you said it's in the next two weeks, I don't have to bully you.

Because while you stepped away, I literally told Nick, I'm like, you know, my birthday is the 14th of October. And this would be a perfect opportunity to bully the shit out of him about like the pre-order needs to happen before my birthday. Is the 14th a Tuesday? You're asking me to do, do October 14th is a Tuesday. Yeah, there you go. There's the methamphetamines kicking in. Hey, at least we got something good on all your drugs. Right. I actually have a good one. But with that being said, you know what? It being on the 15th is probably about right. It being on the 15th. I can't guarantee that, but it being around there is about right. Probably right. You know, if it's not by the 15th, Phil's going to hassle it. It'll be, it'll either be. I'm going to hassle them many before that or that weekend. But honestly, that's probably about right. Awesome. It would probably be that. Looking forward to it. That's a lot. Now, what do you guys think? The apothec. Okay, there's midbag. Is the sling, the sling thing is going to happen no matter what. It's just.

okay it's a fucking carrying strap now is a sling thing gimmicky no okay no because no because it's also designed to work as a placard right it is a full by the way fully functioning placard like that you can put inserts in there and run it right but what i'm saying is like because because it's also designed to work as a placard it's nice that that strap has an additional functionality to it i think phil what do you think well i think to me like that's that's what makes this entire all that's what makes this entire product line so noteworthy to me and it's the reason why when I first saw it when I first became aware you existed I got really excited because I was like this is a level of like interoperability and universality that I don't see in the

tactical community very much and like you and I've talked before about your rationale behind doing that and it makes sense but it it it's unusual it's unusual in the best way Thank you. I like the fact that you can actually take all these pieces and mix and match them. And I am honestly kind of waiting for the first person and says, hey, you may not have realized this was a configuration, but your gear allows it because it can all be mixed and match. That's how I found out about the H harness fitting on the Apothecary.

I didn't know in the very first version. I didn't even think of that because I was actually running the H harness. I was actually running the top strap because of my mind, I was running it down to the actual built in tab. But then someone showed me that they. they mounted it right here on the top of the molly and i was like holy shit you can do that like oh yeah so i ran the at harness to the top then i ran the waist around now i have a perfect chest rig and i'm like fuck i didn't think of that so that so one of the homies figured that out nice

the good part is though that is actually how i does that's why i use i mean also cut back some production costs but i use the same style buckles for everything right and even like i mean i know it's gimmicky to be like okay you pop the strap off and now it's a now it's a now you can use it on the placard and the placard can be a what is it called a bandolier i'm like it's kind of gimmicky but the answer is i do all that interchangeability for that to happen for you to go yes also what's great on twitter i love it i love it i don't know the other industry umbris designs i'm sure you guys heard of them right there'd be like a really good gear manufacturer somebody showed off he goes Oh, I had an ex-Umburis designs cummerbund, and they said, so I got the Vicarian,

and then I made a ready rig based off my ex-Umbrish designs, like, leftover. And I made, and I made the Reky rig, because he grabbed the Vicarian H harness and the wall adapter, then just put the X Umbriss Cumberbund and placard on it. And I went, nice. Fuck. Yeah. I want to see, because I want to see the Vicarian placard on a cry carrier, because I'm coming for all of them good all of them because i want to see it all i want to go oh yeah i like you know they go

whatever they go i like the jpc plate bag better right what in front of it they like that better they go okay great or they go no i like the vicarian plate bag better but i like my shaw concepts placard better right what for whatever reason they like that whatever it is so i want to see the interoperability i want to see my gear on i've already seen it i've already seen t-rex arm stuff with my stuff i've already seen first spirit stuff with my stuff so i love absolutely love seeing my gear just eat out other people's little pieces and find my shit like you know other people's placard costs more than the whole rig that i sell but my rig is carrying it which i think is fucking great on that note i am very much now looking

forward to the 15th thank you i um yes it's it's a lot the one i'm worried about the most is just the fact that there's just a the sheer amount of it and like i said uh as of right now i didn't say this but as of right now we have the vicarian plate carrier people insist that I called a sweet I don't except for my video on the website I do but uh vicarian plate carrier comes with plate carrier sorry plate carrier shoulder pads cover retention cummer bund five five six insert seven six two insert placard five retention tabs to fit the three five five six and two seven six two tourniquet holder So a little plastic, the tourniquet, although you can fit underneath that.

Then it comes, so that's a complete 100% right then and there. You can grab that plate carrier and you can go do your class. Number what class you do? You're trying to take a bear, you know, bear works, strategic defense, wherever the fuck you're going to. You can take that plate care to that class and it'll be fully loaded to go. And it comes with a built-in, A-H harness and waist strap, which you can then turn your placard into a micro rig.

And it comes with a wallet, uh, cummer-bund wallet. So you can take your cummer bun, run it through your ach harness. So basically imagine running your plate carrier, but no plate So basically now I have a belt kit that will all come together NIR resistant material bonded thread and I offer a lifetime warranty on the product, not the purchaser. Yeah. So a lifetime warranty on the product that will be 215. Nice. Then I have the apothecary, which I just mentioned, which is a med bag, a full of standalone med bag.

I've actually teamed up with bear solutions. Maybe you guys have heard of bear, bear, right? You know him, a bearded guy, right? But I teamed up with him right now he has the apothecary. He's actually making a medical kit for it. So I'll probably have a website, which is probably more than the apothecary is. But I'll have it on my website where you can probably choose to get the medical insert for the apothecary. Nice.

But the apothecary med bag will come with that. They'll come with two rifle adapters that'll come with it. And it'll also be, it'll have that two point sling attached to it, which is the standard carrying strap. That will have NIR resistant materials. That will be reinforced threading. That has a lifetime warranty. And that doubles up as a placard. a med bag and a standalone chess rig that will be 55 bucks and i have my gizmo glider sling

i like this thing a lot padded reinforced stitching bonded thread nirr resistant materials lifetime warranty that is going to be 25 to 35 bucks i don't know just yet so with that you can get the the carrion plate carrier the apothecary med bag and a sling which means between those three pieces of gear you could actually completely give yourself body armor and give your friend a chest rig with a sling for both of you and inserts maybe you want to run seven six two he runs five five six whatever but you can completely outfit yourself and a friend for what's two 15 plus 15 plus 25 let's just say 25 for the sling that's 295 that's not bad so for 300 bucks two sets of kits for 300 bucks pretty good and that two that two sets of kit is only because

you're stretching it it could be just for you right you can just oh absolutely carry is one that you can stretch out but you can rebel we really appreciate you coming on today sorry that was a lot no you're good man you got a lot going on yes and i have a full-time job outside of this don't we all speaking of i have to be up at 4 30 in the morning yes sorry i drag on i'm gonna have to cut you guys loose here in a little bit yeah i got to get going to eat dinner and shit too so um great talking to guys thank you very much for having me on let me know how i can promote the episode um and that was fantastic Yeah, a pre-order coming very soon, sign up for in-stop notifications. Go to the mailing list, make sure to sign up for it.

I'm going to send out a pre-order email very shortly. Excellent. Cool, man. Hey, hang out with this until I give you the all-clear. We got to do the sign-out really quick, and then I will release everybody for the night. Otherwise, my life will be hell on earth when I try to edit this with less than full tracks, which is never fun. But thanks Rebel for coming on, Rebels Raiders. I'm not going to say he promised a pre-send.

around my birthday, but I will say that I heard Phil's birthday pre-order. I mean, all I'm saying is I I am not above I'm not above clinging to my own set of facts even if it conflicts with reality. So the minute it gets announced

because I am signed up for the in-stock notifications and the newsletter, I will be blasting it out on social media. So if you don't follow him, you should. If you're not signed for the newsletter, you should be. If you haven't signed for the in-stock notifications, you ought to be. and if all that goes to hell in a handbass

can just keep watching because in the next couple of weeks some stuff's going to pop off and I'm just going to order like a set of everything in M81 and be a happy little tactical nerve for a while. I appreciate it. No, I really appreciate it.

Thank you. Look, dude, it's interesting gear. It's a great concept and I love the fact that like your priority here is not enriching yourself. It's taking care of the community which is rare these days. And those are all things I can get behind supporting.

Absolutely. But we are going to punt this out the door. We all have day jobs because nothing we do here pays the bills. This is all fun autism? This is probably both. This is all just accounting and fax paperwork for Rebels Raiders. You poor bastard. Oh, very, before I go, sorry, I know we're ending it.

I wanted to say I've gotten gifts from people. Someone sent me a goat leather patch, B1 Tactical, I believe. That's awesome. I'm going to say it wrong, Warhorse sending it. So it's a goat patch with rebel, leather patch. And then I also got unit coins from Saif. Nassim, he sent me unicorns. I believe he's actually a contractor, like one of those DOD cops, I believe, at 29 palms, I think.

Nice. So yeah, 29 palms, military working dogs. So I believe, yeah, he works that, that space. So I want to say the outpouring I have from the goat gang is huge. One guy just sent me cigars and money. Like he just sent me a, like, $40. So it's pretty great. Also, sorry.

Okay, last one. I am, I have, I don't normally would do this. I do, we are doing a charity for Charlotte's Farm. The government trying to take, kick them off their land long to a short, but if you go to my website and check up their GoFund me, they are 501C3, not a rip off. I know them. They're legit charity. And I'm auctioning off my, one of my, uh, no, other stuff, but my ISO bright cool guy dive watch. No, it's like a $500 watch. So we've already raised about $21,000 for them. Nice. So if you guys want to, please. check that out because they need our help and they're a great goat farm so we've already raised like 21,000 which is fucking nuts that I raise that much money that's fucking crazy but anyways that's it for that and pre-order coming up all that good jazz thank you website's already in the show notes and I'll have his

Instagram the show notes to before this goes out yes but matter of fact's going out of the door and I to everybody try to move the needle try to convince the homies to train support people that supports you and if you can't stay out of trouble at least be good the getting out of it after fact. Talk to you

later. Bye, everybody. Good night. I'm going to be able to be.