The Prepper Broadcasting Network - Matter of Facts: All About Retention

Episode Date: August 25, 2025

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Welcome back to the Matterfax podcast on the Prepar Broadcasting Network. We talk prepping guns and politics every week on iTunes, Stitcher, and Spotify. Go check out our content at MOFpodcast.com on Facebook or Instagram. You can support us via Patreon or by checking out our affiliate partners. I'm your host Phil Ravley, Andrew and Nick are on the other side of the mic, and here's your show. Welcome back to Matter of Facts podcast, right in the middle of having a sip of disaster coffee, because most days, that is the only thing that allows me to mimic adult behavior for a full, you know, for a full shift. Yeah, I was definitely extra into the coffee today at work, too.

It's been a long ago. But I actually, right before we went live, I sent you something on Instagram. It's tea drinkers versus coffee drinkers. I'll have to look at that later. You'll appreciate it, especially if you have a tea drinker in your life. You'll understand. I am a tea drinker in my life. I love me a nice Earl Grey.

Yeah, I'm definitely the coffee drinker in every room. Apparently, when I was at work today, I was literally making a cup of coffee at the curig in the break room, and somebody mentioned just in passing like, hey, I was buying a coffee frothed the other day, and I just thought of you. And I was like, you're the coffee guy at work. I am the coffee guy at work.

A few people have accidentally stumbled into my weaponized autism and started a conversation about coffee. and um yeah trauma dumping is a thing apparently it's fine they wanted it they started it i mean they definitely asked for it whether they intended to or not that's all right they learned something and that means they can be done for the day yeah all right in the chat looks like raggle fraggle i see alpha charley concepts jim rowls and we might get a special surprise from and who's currently doing an internship drilling on the North Slope for zombie worms. But he said he might pop in on us, maybe, if it wasn't past his bedtime.

I demand harassment from Andrew. I mean, demand is strong. I mean, I will say that, like, you know, not to put his business out on the street, but like he's been adulting and he's starting to get things, well, it's going to say he's starting to get things settled, but things are just getting crazier by the minute for him in a good way, in a good way. Oh, yeah, in a very good way. transitionary period in his life and you know sometimes you just got to take a step back from goofing off with your friends and focus on things oh jeff jag is in the chat we are not starting over neither you nor stewart are going to make us start over we are going to do admin work really quick

and then we're going to talk about some patron business and then we're going to get to a topic so in a different little bit of a different order because the patrons get talked about last this time they do merch links from the show description southern gals support small business supports the podcast you should consider it help me harass them to do hats yes we have asked them about hats and i'm not pushing real hard on the hats right this minute because no one half by harass i mean politely poke at them like hey do you well okay so between your household and my household and the the southern gals household there are three teachers in those three households that have just started the school year. So like, it's rough. Yeah, and anybody that has a spouse or is, in fact, a teacher themselves, knows that this time of year is like DefCon 2.

Pray for me, send Muscatto. Yes, there shall be no new business discussed until the next meeting. Correct. But Cypress Survivalist, that link is also in the show description. We have a camping trip coming up in November, and that will probably be the last event we do for the year, because we had to push it back so far to make sure we'd have cool weather. But it means that we'll be looking forward to our next Get Ready event next year.

Nice. That'd be a good time. Now, patrons. First of all, we have a new patron. I'm calling him Scott No. 2 because I don't want to bust out his last name on the public show. But he is a Scott Alpha? Well. Since we have a Scott number one.

We do have a Scott number one. This is Scott number two. I just send him the welcome messages. invited him into the signal chat haven't heard back from him yet maybe he'll hear this and he'll reach out but Scott number he has an eye patch

yeah but Scott number two if you're out there and you're interested we have a signal chat all the patrons are in there you can harass them they'll harass you and you can harass us so yep there's lots of lots of harassment going on believe everything Eddie says

and ignore film no believe nothing Eddie believe nothing Eddie believe nothing Eddie says and at least half of what Stewart says. Okay, but Stewart's usually academically correct. So you should probably believe what he says. That's why I said half.

Speaking of old grumpy patrons. So what happened recently, one of the perks of being a patron is that in an effort to control cost and bandwidth and everything else, I've always only left X number of, X number of podcast episodes available on the public feed. And then they get rolled off. And then those older episodes that are no longer on the public feed go back to the patron-only fee that you can access through Patreon or you can drop the RSS link into your favorite little podcast application. And it was recently pointed out to me that in an effort to like kind of leave more meat on the bones for the higher tiers, I had set some episodes to where you can only access them at like the $10 or the $20 levels.

Sure. And due to the patrons bullying me, I revised that. to the first episodes one through 50 of the show, which at this point are like eight years old. They are. Those are available to all pay levels, and I'll probably be revising that as I go forward. Just to kind of like leave it out there,

so a patron at any level has access to all those shows, and you just throw a dollar in the tip jar if you feel like it's worth it. Yeah. There's some good stuff from back in the day. Yes. There's also some harassment coming at you from Stewart for your views back in the day. Among them was episode. two, I think, where I was talking about firearms

and I apparently said something about shotguns despite... Like, stole their virtues from my listening to it? Yes, despite me waiting seven and a half years longer to actually purchase one. And old Grumpy, who is going to be his name

from now on, well, crashed out a little bit happening. He did have a bit of a fit as, it was almost a live feed of Stewart's stream of consciousness on the, on signal chat of him realizing Phil was discussing the virtues of shotguns to then determining the exact math for how long it took for us to bully Phil into buying a shotgun. It was fantastic.

He got more and more upset as the further he went into that episode. Yes. Now, to be fair, first of all, I actually didn't take his advice because he was telling me to get a pump action with like multiple barrels so I could reconfigure it to be like, you know, a bird gun or a home defense gun. And I didn't do that. I just went and got a barretta because I wanted one. I mean, I can't argue with the logic of a pump gun with a rifled barrel, with a long goose barrel, and with a close in home defense barrel. As far as utility goes, dollar for dollar, you're not going to beat that combo. You're just not. You're not going to beat that combo in capability. But do you hunt geese? Do you plan to hunt geese or ducks?

are geese and duck hugs euphemisms for um people attempting to take things that are not theirs drones not likely but maybe okay yeah it's i mean it's always a possibility i mean i got i get a case of birdshot sitting back there on the shelf and a choke for it but you know it's it's one of those things that yes it is definitely a useful thing to have do i have a goose barrel for my pump shotgun I absolutely do. Do you hunt geese? Well, I have hunted geese in the past, and I have hunted ducks in the past. I have hunted pheasants, which turns out when you come from the world of three-gun shooting

and you engage a pheasant until it drops, there's not much left of the pheasant because inertia is a motherfucker and keeps that bird in the air a lot longer than you think it's going to. So I went out hunting pheasants one time with a buddy of mine from high school and his dad. They had a guy drop out and they're like, do you know any gun guys? he called me said do you want to hunt pheasants tomorrow morning you got to be to my house at 3 a.m and I was like yeah why not I've got some game loads let's go first pet pheasant that popped up in my zone pulled up on it clack pump clack pump clack pump clack empty because the bird was still flying horizontal at the time was it flying horizontal Nick or was it falling

horizontal there was horizontal motion it had not fallen over like the three gun targets traditionally do after the first shot so i was like shit miss shit miss shit miss no two-thirds of the bird was gone i didn't miss so that was a learning opportunity i was about saying learning learning occurred that day apparently oh 100 percent got that bird though so anyway like that That's just, yes, the patrons in the signal chat do have the ability to harass me and remind me of things. And Stewart recently brought up something about statute of limitations on a squib round. And I can only imagine he's referring to the squib that I loaded up in my 308 Winchester, which I've been.

I've told that story on several occasions. Somehow this freaking rocket surgeon managed to load a in a whole pile of match grade, hand-loaded, hand-weighed individual attention type of rounds because this was part of that load of ammo that would stack four rounds on top of each other at 100 yards. Nice. I somehow managed to put together one that had no powder in it. An aggressive choice.

But here's how I discovered this. Okay. I'm down in the prone, like belly on the ground, butt in the air, on a shooting mat, on a bipod, all locked in, putting rounds on target, just trying to make like nice small groups, work on my fundamentals and everything. And I slide that bolt forward home with my thumb. I click it down.

I get back into my position. I breathe a couple of times. Staying myself. I ease that trigger back ever so slowly. And I hear the loudest click on earth. And let me tell you, that man's gun. When there is a three-away Winchester right here,

and you're expecting to hear boom, and then the scrabbling of the bipod on the pavement and, you know, the thump of the butt pad in your shirt, shoulder and all you hear is click and nothing it's loud oh yeah there is nothing louder than an empty gun yeah now fortunately i had the immediate presence of mind to realize that if what i had on my hands was a hang fire not a squib i really wanted to leave the bolt shut for a second or two because i didn't want to open it up with my face right next to it and then i you know open it up

saw the primer strike the round i mean like the bullet was still seated the bullet never moved. That's impressive. Yeah, especially because when I took that round home and tore it apart, the entire case was filled with soot. The primer discharged. But it apparently didn't make enough gas to move the bullet. Well, I would say your crimp was on point.

Oh, yeah, neck tension was like chef's kiss. But, yeah, my, my dumb behind managed to not put a grain of powder in that whole case. And it is the only time I have ever done that. I have accidentally loaded up some 3-4-7 Magnum when the cases were a little bit damp. And that made some very interesting things happen. But that was the only squib I've had. And I don't know what I've had it happen in 9 and 45 with my,

when I did my first batches through my Hordony Lock and Load AP Progressive Press. Yeah. Jim's right Primers do make a pretty loud pop but if you're double plugged shooting heavy rifles it's a very quiet pop but you hear the mechanical click of the primer

through your jaw yeah honestly like I never even heard the primer which would make sense of the bulletin and didn't move I mean the the noise was contained within the case within the action the biggest thing I mean like I said the loudest thing I heard

was just the sound of that striker whacking the wacking that you know the whack in the primer. But I don't know. Maybe in my mind it was louder than it was, but it was loud. Yeah, it's one of those things. I don't know, man. If you ever, you ever miss load a mag on the range and you get that,

you get that click in your pistol and it is just wildly loud. It's like thunderous silence. Yeah, it's the weirdest thing. It's the absolute weirdest thing. And it's the only sound you hear when it happens. Yeah. I don't know. Anyway, so if Stewart's not talking about that squib, I'm sure he'll tell me later, correct me, and want to call me out or bruise me up in public over it.

But, you know, like, I wear my scars on my sleeve very often because if I've made a mistake, I want to tell people about it because I don't want them to have to repeat the mistake to learn the lesson. Right, exactly. be. Anyway, two topic. So raggle-fraggle kind of owns this one because he was asking us about slings. And then we somehow walked off the reservation just a little bit. I decided to make it a whole episode about retention because... Hey, man.

A and B go together. It's peanut butter and jelly. Got to have slings. Got to have holsters. I'm so glad you specified that because when you said A and B go together, my brain went someplace marital and not appropriate for the podcast. But anyway, it's YouTube. It's fine. They have worse stuff on here. Trust me. Not on my show, though. We try to be relatively family friendly.

We do. Mostly. Mostly. But anyway. So I think we're going to start off with holsters. Yeah. And then we'll have a good old argument about that that we already started. then we'll move into slings. That's true. We are good at starting arguments before the show. Well, but the truth of the matter is, like, you and I already started having this conversation because, like, to me, holsters fall. Like, you can make the argument of holsters can be like inside the waistband, outside the

waistband, but honestly, with the categories I throw all holsters into, is it passive or is it active retention? I have, I would agree with the two categories. Is it passive or is it active? retention and from there it's subcategories i'll give me that that makes sense yeah but it's like you know you've got your you've got your full kidex there of your outside i'm outside the waistband got your hybrid you know crossbreed kidex leather inside the waistband i didn't throw my hydex in here inside the waistband that's the minimalist by the way these are uncomfortable as

Shit. If you have an aggressively stippled grip, skip it, save your money. I will say, as far as that goes, that's why I switched out the grips on my carry gun, because what I had on there at one time was ungodly uncomfortable. And when we had a gentleman from Locke grips come on, he recommended these, which they're a little bit more forgiving up against my soft side. but still tons and tons of texture. I have sanded down the grip on my M&P twice because I cannot wear that thing without an undershirt.

If I've got that grip up against my side, it just sandpapers my skin away. I mean, it's a fantastic grip because it doesn't move in your hands at all, but I like having skin on my body generally. Overrated. Yeah. Raggle is correct.

Stealthgear holsters purely because of how comfortable they are. I've got a stealth gear vent core two that I wear every day. Winter, summer, fall, spring, whatever. Holy shit, is that a comfortable holster? People dunk on them in alien gear. I mean, this is one of the alien gear hybrids that I wore to death. There's actually a few cracks in the Kydex. I need to replace the shell on this one for my XDS, I think it is.

but I have now had two of the alien gear vent core holsters. I've got their vent core two now. My God, comfortable. I've still got an alien gear knocking around someplace. They're good for a cheap holster. They are good for a cheap holster. I got away from them because I found, at least for the way I'm shaped, that alien gear really was like the most comfortable at like four o'clock,

like kind of like right on top of the kidney, but not small of the back. But you know, just, you know why I got away from them? Just behind your midline. Why? See how there's no backing over those screws? Yeah. Eventually as you tighten this thing down as the Kidex wears in and the leather wears in, you've got these screws just eating into your side and eating through the waistband of your underpants.

You got a grinder. Oh, I do. And I have ground these down. But at a certain point, you need a certain amount of thread in that in that, uh, in that little fitting there and these little fittings they don't look like it but they're kind of sharp and they're kind of uncomfortable where the vent corps has got a whole a whole thing behind this that these are sunk down into i've never had a vent core wearing so bad that you even notice these things not wearing an undershirt my big issue was always that like there were especially like

you know going to pick up my daughter from school and everything there were so many places i was having to go where I had to unholster, it became much, much simpler to have the single clip inside the waistbands because I could literally like sitting in my truck, I can unholster, put the gun away, reholster sitting down. It just, it got to the point where, like, they were just more utilitarian, even if the alien gears were very, very comfortable. Yeah. But the reason I divide things into these two categories, and I will imagine we're going to have a slight disc agreement. about it, but maybe not, is because I've always been very, very

unyielding. Whenever we get into conversations about open carry versus concealed carry, that if you're going to open carry, I always demand retention holsters. Like, I have no use whatsoever for a person who's going to open carry a gun

with passive retention only. And I'm not saying that to say, like, you shouldn't be allowed to. It's a it's a free country in most places like you're you should be allowed to do whatever you want within reason i'm just saying that for me if you're going to carry a gun where it's exposed and it's open and people might want to take them from you as we've seen in plenty of clips all across social media you probably should have a little something extra to make sure the gun stays in the

holster until you're ready to pull it out well let's just talk about environmental factors before you're even considering people taking the gun from you which let's be honest can happen in an active retention holster if the person understands what they're doing. What if you're getting in and out of your car? I'm the primary driver. I'm right handed. I'm getting in and out of my car. That gun could be bumping any number of things getting in and out of the car. Do I need, now I don't carry a 320, so it's not so much of an issue, but do I need that thing falling and knock it into the ground? No. Do I want to have to, like if I'm walking, walking around in the woods deal with my gun getting caught on a stick and coming out of the

holster because i've had all kinds of crazy shit get caught on sticks and pull out of things in the woods it's ridiculous i mean if you're going to have an exposed sidearm i do think that active retention is probably your best bet yeah and like you and i talked about before like i've i've done enough drawstrokes on the clock between active retention and passive retention to know that active retention cost me a couple tenths of a second on a draw, but it's one of those things where it's like,

okay, I am perfectly comfortable trading a little bit slower draw to make sure that in odd situations, like with a woods gun or like that little J-frame of the ankle holster, I mean, that has a retention strap and a snap across the back of it because it's on my ankle.

And it's as it should. And it would be extremely, socially awkward if I were like wearing slacks and dancing with my wife and the next I know my J frame comes rolling at the bottom of my pant leg on the dance floor I mean depends on how cool the wedding party is um well I mean I'm on an FBI agent so I'm pretty sure I can't get away with that that was a nightclub and it was a backflip I know it was which still dude active retention if you're going to be pulling backflips on the dance floor sick moves but not okay

massive douche can do you but anyway oh yeah just made himself looked like a complete idiot well I mean doing backflips on dance floor is a pretty good indication

right there by itself I don't know man I got some buddies with some pretty sick moves from the one time I attempted to go clubbing I'll give you that pulled it off

but that one pulled it off but that one was a douche canoe yeah but anyway so like Like, that's just kind of the way I feel about it. Like, if you're going to conceal carry, like, inside, outside the waistband,

passive retention, like, do your thing. But I just think that there are, there's an argument to be made for active retention in certain situations. Like, my only gripe is that if you're into weird guns like CZs, finding active retention holsters can be really, can be a real pain in the behind if you wander away from Glock's in Smith, Weston, Mee's piece. There is a benefit to going. with a mainstream popular striker-fired pistol.

There is. There's going to be more end-user support. That just means you're going to have to pay a little bit more for your holsters, probably, and you're going to have less selection. I will say that when I got that alien gear holster made for my IPO 9, I mean, that was a full custom job, and they had it to me in two weeks for like 140 bucks. That's not bad.

I mean, admittedly, this was five years ago now, but I mean, I wasn't unhappy with it. The only thing I'm unhappy about is that when I eventually cut that thing for a red dot, I'm going to have to chop the holster up a little bit. Yeah, or you could order a new one. I mean, you're not going to take the red dot off, so chop the holster up a bit and order a new holster anyway. Start training with the other one and then get a new one properly made for it.

Yes, but I have a Dremel, and that basically makes me a gunsmith. and a holster manufacturer apparently the gunsmith part that hurts in my soul that hurts deep in my soul for those of you who are not watching the stream and hearing this in audio i'm pretty sure i just saw nick have a full body shiver that was a problem right there that is a problem it'd be more problem i mean you can you can do gunsmithing with a drummel please don't please don't please don't yeah all right now slings so this is kind of what started this whole it started us down this road with the topic was raggle fragles his actual question was how do you put slings on older firearms that are not really like meant for i don't know if you want to say tactical

or modern sling etiquette like you know they're there they're there's a whole bunch of guns like this Ruger Hawkeye that had a sling swivel, two sling swivels were both on the bottom and they're really meant for a carry strap. It's not really meant for a sling that's going to be like across your body you're going to be able to shoot from. It's just not they're not meant for that. It depends on how you're using it. But yeah, if you loop up like the old school,

you know, Savannah hunters we're doing, they actually work really well for that with the dual bottom swivel because it's going on your weak side arm. going on your left arm for most right-handed guys your right arm for the left-handed guys yeah but you're not doing the over the back and then through no and and this is probably like the the least applicable image to put here but because most commonly used sling configuration in the country i'd be willing to bet yeah and if i took that sling off the bottom at bipot and attach it directly to the sling swivel you'd have a sling set up that almost every fire

made before like, I don't know, 2000 has that set set? Oh my gosh, yes. I mean, and back to the earliest swing equipped muzzle loaders. Which 90% of that was for Kerry.

Yeah. Now, I will wholeheartedly admit, agree with you. And we're going to advance through these ever so slightly. So this this is.

This is. is what I wanted to throw up next because I feel like this is kind of probably the best actually, no. Oops. No, you're right, slightly modernized. Thank you, Nick.

It's got QDs, but only one QD needs to, for full modern. But here's the trick. It's not so much the QD on the front that I wanted to point out. It's the fact that the rear sling attachment is still ostensibly in about the same position. In this case, it's through a loop on the

butt stock. The front sling swivel is actually off to the side, but you've got a nut, but you have a more modern sling design at least that has a lot more adjustability to it. And this is actually, if I remember right, I sized this one specifically so that I can't actually like running around my body. I can loop it around my forearm. Like you can get into what we have some stock images that Nick providers with later, but like a very stable shooting platform where you use the sling to help stabilize it on your body to almost act like a third point of contact in addition to your hand and your shoulder absolutely would that be fourth point hand hand shoulder so essentially what you're doing is you've got hand hand shoulder and what

you're doing mostly with a with a sling is bracing your elbow so you're controlling the lever of your offhand to stabilize where that arm is you're giving it a place to push against with your shoulder. You know what? Let's go slightly out of order and show that. So this is what I'm talking about with using a loop in the sling. This is kind of the old school way of bracing your arm. And I think you've got another one here that shows it a little bit better. You can go right there. Yeah, there it is. So this slide here, you see how the guy's got that the loop of the sling up around his bicep. Essentially, what you're able to do with that is you're able to apply tension with your arm just by varying your arm angle and finding a place where the rifle almost supports

itself through the action that sling is putting on your arm, which will help you stabilize your shots quite a bit. Yeah, and in a more modern context, like you can achieve most of this effect by simply wrapping the sling around your arm and then taking the webbing between your thumb and your forefinger and jamming it up underneath where the sling attaches to the sling swivel. I've actually found if you, if you size your sling correctly, you can using your offhand forearm elbow, just apply pressure downwards and to the inside and apply tension on that sling over your shoulder and down under.

And you don't actually have to manage anything else other than the forehand of the rifle. You can just apply that tension on there as you're riding the rifle. And you can get a very similar stabilization effect without having to loop your hand through the sling like you see in this first image here. Yeah. Not as good, but as far as like three gun shooting and you need to quick get in the sling, you know, you don't have time to set up like your hunting wild boar or something like that. It can get pretty close.

Yeah. But like said, I mean, to me, I feel like you can achieve a lot of this with most long guns, with most sling setups, with appropriate sizing. Although I will happily admit, like, the biggest problem I find you run into with a lot of older firearms is not, it's not immediately where the sling swivels are located. It's the length of the sling itself. Like when the sling is really only sized to be used as a shoulder carry strap, you just, it takes away so much the utility of it from a retention standpoint, from a stabilization standpoint. And if you have a, and like, I want to say like if you have a modernized sling set up, but really the modernization is that there's just more adjustability built into the thing

so that you can actually use it in different ways. There is a lot more adjustability built into the modern ones. But the benefit of that is really coming from the nylon and the sliding keepers. Yeah, perfect. I was just going to ask you to pull that up. If you guys that have the video can look at this. Great. If you don't, I'm going to try and describe it to you better.

I can. So it's a it's a magpole. I think it's an MS1 with a QD added to it. Like honestly, this is one of the perfect sling designs in my opinion. The padded slings, they're nice, especially if you're going to be carrying your rifle long distance. But for utility and cost effectiveness, the magpole sling hits just about perfect. You've got, looks like, one, two, three, four sliding, sliding buckles there so you can adjust your weapon in four different places. and have retention of the extra material. I mean, the leather straps were typically hard-limited at the butt end. It had all the adjustment on the fore-end.

But as you can see from this image here, there's adjustability on both ends of the sling, which allows you to have almost, I would say, like a third more material for adjusting the sling length, depending on how you're going to be using it. Yep. And that center swivel is quick adjustment. adjustable. So, like, you can tighten this thing up to your heart's content. You can grab a fist full of it and put a lot of slack into it real fast. Like, there's all kinds of different things you can do to adjust this. Hang on a second. I don't think we have many of those down south. Alple seed is more of a northern thing. So I will say, Jeff brought up if you want a class, find your nearest apple seed project. Fantastic class. Have not taken one myself, but I've heard it highly recommended. I will say this much, though, raggle fraggle.

I know where you live. They have Project Appleseed events in this state. Aminous Santa. I'm just saying, like, I know for a fact they have in the past. I haven't checked in a while because I was still looking into Project Appleseed, like when my daughter was showing some interesting shooting, she hasn't in a while. But at least the last I recall, they were still having events in 20, 30 minutes away from me, which isn't.

Heck, if they're still having them in Illinois, I guarantee you they're having them in Louisiana. Yeah, and I actually went to one in Arkansas. So, like, it was not too far from Lake to Grey, actually. Hmm. So, like, they have Project Appleseed events in most places. I know they have them down here in Louisiana. You should look into them. Anybody that's watching, like, Project Appleseed is an organization that, like, I love the mission statement.

But honestly, what I love as much as the shooting is the fact that they mix this very classical marksmanship with all of, like, the revolutionary period of American history. And they get down into the details and the nitty gritty. They tell personal stories that came from people's diaries. It's a viewpoint of like the first shots of that war that you will almost never get in American history, you know, classroom. It really was like to me, I took more away from the history lesson than I did the shooting. And I enjoyed the shooting thoroughly. But I did not patch my first attempt.

Well, to be fair, I've seen their requirements. They are not loose requirements. No. I would happily say that even back then when I did that event, I was usually a novice shooter. Like, it was not my first rodeo. I shot, you know, I'd spent my time shooting AR-15s before, and that's what I brought to this event.

But I did not patch. I got close, but I did not patch my first go-round. I bet I could slay that. But I've been shooting a lot more. yes than you were at the start yeah especially six years ago seven years ago i was very i mean okay oh man five years ago i was playing darts with with a 30 a six at 300 yards i had just bought my truck just i had my truck like a month when i brought it up there and thank god i had the truck because the rock and dirt road to get to the gun range

would have destroyed my little hatchback. You know what? You would be surprised. I have seen some Honda Civics in some places. I would not take my 1,500. Okay. I had the only non-four-wheel drive truck, and apparently the guys were taking bets

on whether or not they were going to have to tow me. All right. That's a good road. Yes. That'd be a fun one. Yep. Gas pedal and inertia. Gas pedal and inertia. Hey, if you know how to use your truck, you can get a two-wheel drive awful deep.

Yeah, it's the getting back out that's tricky sometimes. Yeah, once you're stuck, you're screwed with two-wheel drive because you've got no more wheels to go. But see, that's the problem with four-wheel drives is when you get stuck. You're really stuck. Oh, yeah, you are stuck. Usually you're high-centered. Yeah. Anyway, moving on to the slightly modernized.

this is i put in here tactical so this is probably the sling set that most people are trying to aim for and i suspect this might have been what raggle fraggle had in mind when he said how do you put this sling setup on like an older farm that was never meant for it this is cuties wood screws yish but no seriously man what wood screws that how do you think those kutem mounts are put into the wooden the wooden stocks pilot hole in a wood screw man that Okay. I have a pack. I should have got them out. I don't know why I didn't. I have a pack of old school sling swivels. They have, I shit you not, a hardwood wood screw about half to three quarter of an inch long, probably closer in the middle, five eights. They tell you to drill a pilot hole with a one 16th drill bit and then drive that bitch into your stock. Okay. But, but, but, but if you drill a random hole, and put a wood screw in some old beautiful thing like an M1 carbine or a garrant,

I will personally drive to your house and punch you in the testicles. And it will be justified. I mean, you can get replacement stocks for them very cheap. Nick, stop encouraging bad behavior. Look, stop encouraging bad behavior. Then give it to me and I will buy you a freaking poverty pony in trade. Well, I was going to say, give it to me and I will build you a bracket to put the sling on it how you want

because I'd rather you're not molest a grand but that's fine. Okay, but Raggle I'm in a I use what they use on AKs. I used to be an AK guy and we should probably do another AK episode one day and I will walk you through how much like grinding and drilling and crap I've done on AKs

making stuff fit that didn't want to fit. AKs look this is all I'm going to say about AKs. What's you got? Let it out. Aks are a perfect acceptable mass manufactured bulk infantry charging weapon they are not a modern carbine no they're not can they be made to function pretty close yes are they reliable undoubtedly if they're manufactured

correctly i got nothing against day case actually except modern carbines do everything the A.K. does more conveniently and more ergonomically. Point of order, though. When you say manufactured properly, I do. I'm saying if all the tolerances are out of spec, it's going to be shit no matter what. But point of order. When you say tolerances and AK in the same sentence, you do have to admit, Mr. Machinas, that tolerances are

extremely generous. Well, they are, but you still do have have certain key tolerances like the bolt tolerances in the headspace are more critical than other tolerances yes with an AKs have a wide open tolerance they were built to be made as cheaply and as fast as possible

and given to people that had little to no training on them and they were also phenomenal they were also designed to be manufactured by people that had manufactured anything more modern than a bolt gun right like a toaster yeah I mean like I mean, like, seriously, you look at the number of countries that the Soviet Union helps set up factories to make these things in. I mean, Romania, Egypt, Poland actually made some really nice ones, but that's neither here nor there.

But my point is- Those were mostly mild A-Ks. Yes. But my point is that, you know, the reason why AKs, the reason why making AK accessories has always been a little tricky is because every one of these countries made their AKs a little bit different. They did. and that is the genius of Clashkopf's design is that they can be all be made a little bit different and a little bit sloppy

and they still work pretty okay enough. True. Regel says the design is over 70 years old guys. The AR is not terribly far behind it. I mean, the AR is 60 years old. Exactly. And Regal, yes, I will continue. But actually, wait a second.

To why I'm saying drill into your woodstock. The AR-10 was designed in the 50s. it was so the a r is also about the same yeah it's about the same i mean it's i'm not exactly sure on the dates of both but they're in the same ballpark so around that reason to round that out though before i let you go the the critical difference here is that the aka was built with 1930s technology and design design it was a semi-auto it was it was modern design but the way it's manufactured is 1930s technology. I mean, you have to remember that before they went, they made the AK Mill, they made the AK Mill because they couldn't get stamping work right at first. They were

trying to use stamping because the Germans had been doing it in the freaking 30s and 40s. And the British were doing it with the Stan and a few others. Yeah. So it was a, it was a, it was a modern application of a very current technology. And then everything Stoner did was space age stuff like it was it was literally he was designed yeah he was designing a gun in the 50s that other manufacturers were not going to weren't going to embrace most of those technologies or even most of those building materials until the late 70s early 80s true so stoner was 20 years 20 to 30 years ahead of his time and kalashnikov was 10 years behind the technology the technology trend yes yes but they both made a phenomenally effective fighting system.

They did. Not taking anything away from either, just pointing out like, that is why the AR, in my opinion, even though they weren't designed that far apart in time, I think the ARs, by no one would argue the AR is not a more modern design, because it was so ahead of its time. It was. Yeah, definitely. So, Raggle, the point I'm getting around to is if all you have is, say, a bolt action rifle and you're looking to make it like a scout gun set up out of it, don't feel bad about

putting a sling swivel, say, halfway back the foreend in the side of the woodstock. And don't be afraid of relocating your rear sling swivel from the bottom rear right below the recoil pad to somewhere that's more convenient for how you're going to use it. If you're making like a brush gun or a stalking gun. Make the rifle fit your use case. And honestly, unless it's an ultra rare collector's firearm, be damn the resale value of it. Man, it's your gun. Use it.

Oh, no. I'm not concerned about retail. I just, it, it just hurts my heart a little bit to see a person like drilling holes in a really nice old gun. Sure, if it's a rare gun. But I mean, I've got two Mosins in my, do I still have two? I should check. I got a Mosin my safe that I convinced into that I that I cobbled together into a sniper Mosin because oh enemy at the gates is pretty cool I'm going to slap a scope on it and make myself a bent handle bolt out of the original bolt you know how many million of them damn things did they make some people would say it's problematic if you can't remember how many guns you have to be fair when I bought some number of Mosins I did buy them by the crate at a time when they were $50 a pop or $200.

dollars for the crate. So back in the day when you could trade like a case of slits for a crate of them. Dude, I got pulled over leaving a gun shop because I bought a pallet of spam cans with another buddy of mine. And we got pulled over because we tarped

a pallet of ammo in the back of my Chevy 1500. Nice. Turns out at that time, they were really cheap and I had just gotten my first big kid job. Same job I have now, believe it or not. So you're still the big kid. well yeah I guess

listen men I'm convinced that men never mature past age 25 yep I mean I'm still functionally a 16 year old I was going to say I would set the bar closer to 17 18 well I was allowing for the time when you're like

75 or 80 although I'm pretty sure you start regressing at a certain point okay so my grandfather I get into some shenanigans now and then My grandpa is the king of shenanigans. Is this the one that was off for and stole a truck? Yeah. Oh,

100%. Stole a truck and a bunch of machine guns? Yeah, absolutely. I have watched that man just trying to check out at Farmer Fleet. Convinced the checkout lady that he thought his checking account number was his social security number. Just because he thought it would be funny. so he's rattling off his social security number to a store full of people because that's how they identified me in the army

oh goodness dude we were it's completely off topic we were in this cafe all right we're in this cafe having breakfast we've gone up to this lake that my family's been fishing at for like 80 years and this little cafe and there's this lady there and she's ordered pancakes right and she's pancakes come and she starts laying out napkins on herself and you know not like to tuck the napkin in your shirt she tucked a napkin in her shirt she put a

napkin on her shoulder she put her napkin on the other shoulder she started laying them down her shirt strategically and my grandpa's trying to figure out how she's getting these napkins to stay where they are and he starts laying on napkins all over himself he turns around to ask her he says How do you get this to work? Is it like the material in your sweater? Halfway through her breakfast. She managed to get strawberry syrup on the one part of her sweater that did not have a napkin on it. And he asked her, he said, do you, so how's the rest of your day going to go?

He just kept pestering her about the napkins. It was hilarious. My wife is correct. My grandpa also continually tried. to convince my wife that there is a moose in places where moose do not exist. Why is everybody's grandparents cooler than mine are? I mean, you know, when you get to that age, goofing around, why not? What's the consequences?

What are they going to do? You're old. That is a good point. Anyway, I did want to slide back just one second because we're showing this sling setup where, you know, you've got a sling attachment point, kind of in the optimal position, like up near the top of the buttstock off to one side, I like the opposite side to where the forward attachment point is. That way if you hold the sling,

the gun just stands upright and doesn't try to flop over on its side. But that's personal preference. But the one thing I wanted to point out was that even with the way this other sling is set up, where you have it down at the toe, more the toe area of the buttstock, there's still enough slack in here for me to be able to like sling up with the gun in my shoulder, rage shoot. honestly i prefer near the toe but on the same side as the front sling swivel

that that that bothers me i've not had a problem with it flopping over at least running ars when i used to be able to i never had a problem with it flopping over i will happily say though that when we talk about how you set up a sling like ultimately i will tell you that you can go on like youtube google and everything else and look at the way different people set it up try it and then keep screwing with it until it fits you I tell you when I went to that shotgun class with Andrew the first time I went up on the line with the shotgun which was the first time I tried to run a sling shotgun in a tactical shooting class before we got to the first round

fire I fucking pop the QD points and threw that shit on the other side of the firing line because it was just getting in my way it was set up all wrong I spent our first break tuning that in you're going to do it wrong the first time odds are unless you're really lucky no Stewart, we're not starting over. But I did call you old and grumpy at the very top of the show, so you can rewind and enjoy that. And I believe Phil admitted to being wrong about not buying a shotgun center. I admitted

to nada. Nothing. You were wrong. Admit nothing and make counter accusations. That is the way of the podcast. I do believe that is Politics 101. That too. But anyway, so like as

you move from like this setup towards this setup, like the two things, are yes you're moving the rear cutie point up towards top of the stock but you're also bringing that forward cutie point further back and this is a personal preference for me for me because

what I like about this setup where you know the the sling the sling points are a little further away is that it does give me the ability to use the sling to stabilize the rifle true and not just while shooting but also the sling

itself because the attach points are further away from HR, they have more control over the rifle. So if I'm going to drop the rifle, if I'm going to sling it, if I'm going to throw it over my, throw it over my shoulder, have it on my back. It's just all around a more stable platform. When you start moving the QD points closer together, the gun has more movement, which is really handy. If you want to transition shoulders, if you're moving in and out of vehicles, if you're doing, I hate to use Magpull buzzwords, but if you're doing more dynamic things with rifles, if you're moving more, then getting those QD point, getting the sling

attach points closer together makes the gun more mobile at the expense of stability potentially. True. Because with that rear sling point as far back as it is in this setup, I can no longer use it. I can't wrap my arm up in it and then slide my hand forward to tension the gun up and use

the sling as effectively to stabilize. Not anymore. Not with the sling attach point like two inches in front of the magwell. It's a lot more mobile, but it's less stable. I think it's at this point I have to bring up single point slings and my hatred for their existence, except in one situation. There's one situation that I believe they're useful for.

Phil, do you know where I'm at? Vehicles. Vehicles and micro rigs. So if you've got like a pistol caliber carbine or say like that scorpion, all right, single point sling, guess what happens if you try to run with? that using both your hands. Your testicles hate you. Yep.

Your gun hits you in the dick. Every single time. I have seen guys try to run single point slings in a bunch of classes. Every single one of them gets hit in the nuts with that. If you're a lady, hey, congratulations. Maybe single point slings can work for you. No,

I know ladies who've been hit in the lady bits with things. And that doesn't apparently feel any better for them than it does for us. Ah, fantastic. Single point slings suck unless you're doing exactly. protective protection, close quarters, and vehicles. Or maybe if you're a eunuch. I mean, maybe then, but I'm not a unit. Maybe I don't know any.

I mean, also you have the problem of them twisting up between your legs and tripping you, maybe. I mean, look at your scorpion here. You've got your sling points so close together. You're getting 90% of the value of a single point sling. Yes. Without getting whacked in the testicles with your firearm. And that's the reason I snuck this in here is because on this, the reason why the sling attach points are as close as they are on this

is because first of all, that's where the sling attach points are on a scorpion. They are. And second of all is that if I attach the rear sling point to the back of that folding brace, then when I fold it, things are moving around in places. I don't want them tangled. Whereas if I keep the sling attach points on the receiver like they are, and I fold that brace, I can shoot the PC. I can shoot this thing with the brace folded.

I can have the brace folded and have it slung around my neck. I mean, this is a really, it's, it's, it is the same setup you saw on that 16 inch carbine, push to the limit because the sling attach points are so close together. The gun is extremely mobile.

There's no stability provided by the sling whatsoever. And I can. There's not, okay, not in the way of like a whalen sling or a hasty sling even. I'd have to try running. it to tell you i i bet i could figure out a way to try to stabilize it fit right but it definitely wouldn't be as intuitive but jeff raises a good point three point slings three point slings i've

never run one i have never even tried i have for five minutes and then i get that thing over the berm and put a two point on it two point slings from what i've seen two point slings do all the things that three-point slings claim to without added complications. That said, have not tried to run one. The three-point sling was an answer to a question that I want to say no one asked, but if somebody did ask the question

that provoked the three-point sling, then I hope they got their testicles blown off in a war. That's aggressive. It is, and three-point slings are god-awful pieces of equipment. At least a single point has some justifiable, like, you know, application where it kind of halfway works and makes sense.

But three points makes sense to no one, nobody ever in existence. Yeah, I don't know. Two point slings have always done everything I've asked of them. And I've not found a place where a two point sling was a problem. Again, I don't do executive protection with a micro oozy in a vehicle. So, yeah, but that's the thing about this setup being as compact as it is with having a folding brace on it, with having the sling attach points as close to the R. I've literally had this thing slung up

over my frigging, over my chest, underneath a jacket that was zipped up. I could have unzipped, you know, unfolded, and been ready to shoot in seconds. It's a super, super compact setup. But the reason I put this in here was to illustrate that as the sling attach points

come closer and closer together, you begin to get the mobility of a single point sling, but still some of the control of the two-point. The further apart you spread them, you get less mobility. It does become a little bit more difficult to transition for one arm to another shoot from really weird positions, but you get more stability over the rifle. So to raggle-fraggle, to like to the original question that was asked here about how do you integrate modern sling etiquette or modern sling theory in older firearms, like to me, that is going to be your dividing line.

Is if you want to use this like in more of a classical, fashion where you're going to be using like a hasty sling you're going to be using the sling to stabilize your shooting from a largely fixed position sling attach points further apart it works better if you're going to be using this in a more dynamic

fashion more running and gunning you want to be able to transition for one arm to the other you want to use it like a more of a modern shooting style sling attach points come closer together or leave the rear attach point on the back of the stock and move the forward one further back and that'll give you

you more mobility. Yep. Somerside, welcome to the government watch lists. That's all I got to say, man. Your government sucks.

I'm in Illinois. I can't really throw shade. My government sucks just as bad. It's just less polite about it. Yeah. So the best I can tell you is that my heart breaks for some of y'all that live behind

the iron curtains of totalitarianism or near totalitarianism. And, you know, other than the fact that there's mosquitoes the size of chickens and, a cat five hurricane tries to kill you every five or ten years and you know like the other day it was 5.30 in the morning it was 78 degrees and a hundred and 99% humidity outside like you know Louisiana's nice young come down here cool farm loss sportsman's paradise ragle I don't have universal

health here that's correct I have all the worst parts of of Canada with none of the good parts And even their good parts, the universal health care I hear is not great. Yes, but I will say that overall, at least in my limited experience, Canadians are much more polite people than Chicagoans. Well, you got, you know how you got like southern hospitality? Well, let's say, bless your heart. And really, that's a criticism. Yes.

In Chicago, we just skip right to the criticism. Okay, I, so you might have heard us talk about a friend of the show who, he took a step back, but we still bump into him occasionally. Name is Matt. He's from, he's from your state. Yeah, he was at Prepper Camp with us one year when he learned for the first time, I want to say deep into his 30s what, bless your heart meant. And that he, for most of his life, he thought Southern people were just being like super freaking sweet and polite. and then he finally realized bless your heart was them saying like you stupid motherfucker yeah when my grandma said that it was usually because she felt too bad to hit you with something

anyway I totally lost my train of thought essentially what we were what we were talking about Phil was the fact that you can make an old school sling setup work like a new style you certainly can't Yeah, Regal throwing shade. Yeah, Raggle has when I'm going to SBR this thing and put a real stock on it. Just as soon as I don't have to ask the ATF permission to take it across state lines because I live in a free country and I shouldn't have to have a government permission slip to relocate a firearm in my custody for one place to another.

Toss 20 bucks to have PC guys. They're doing the Lord's work. They are. I'm not holding my breath, but, you know, I do like to be proven wrong. It's the cool thing about having low expectations. I'm either pleasantly prized or I'm not shocked at all. They got me concealed carry permits, man. Yes.

And they're working on, they're working on Pritzker's fancy little assault weapon ban. Maybe they should work on his eating habits and blood pressure before that fat. Nonsense. He's running for president next time. Have you heard? It's the first running he's done in his whole life, apparently. Nonsense. He used to be an athlete.

Power eating is not athleticism. No, like he was like a hundred hundred people. high school or college athletes or something like that. He really likes to refer to that. Neither is being a power bottom. Hey now, power bottoms are very athletic. You're not making the case. You're using Pritzker as your example.

Nope. Anyway, I have nothing against, I have pure pressure barretta. Yes, the pure pressure barretta. So I threw this in here with a banner. No perfect solutions. So you remember we started off talking about how I don't personally think having the sling swivel on the bottom of the stock

where you're going to find it in a lot of less tactical firearms. I don't feel like it's the end of the world. That's where it is on a burrata. I did move the forward sling swivel back a little bit. I didn't try to attach to that cellular piece of plastic mostly because I have trust issues. So I put a real legitimate magpole sling swivel into the M lock on the handguard, and it's much, much more stable. but I have found so far that as long as I have the and again this is another magpole MS1 there's a reason why I have those on so many of my guns they are I understand they are like the most basic bitch sling out there everyone's run a magpole MS1 there's nothing cool about them there's nothing sexy they are not cute they're not nice they will not get you laid by gun buddies and they will not impress your friends or and they will not give you get you Instagram points but they work they work

they're ubiquitous you can buy them just work they work they do they do sling things i have one on my brother i don't own anything i would works yeah i don't own anything in the firearms world that i consider to be like esoteric or really like out way out there most of the stuff i own is stuff that is like tried and true and it works and it does what's supposed to do and it's well-worn path and i don't have to wonder about oh is this going to fall apart or oh is this going to last because 200,000 gun guys have tried it before I did, and if it was a piece of crap, we would know about it by now.

I mean, I've yet to wear out a magpole sling. I've tried. Yeah. But like I said, I found that with this, having this adjusted to about the right length, I have no problem. Like, everything except transitioning, transition does get a little bit weird when you're...

Yeah, it gets hard. Yeah, transitioning gets a little weird. when your sling is attached to the bottom of the buttstock. When it's at the top, I find that things move around a little bit better, but when it's at the bottom, it just sneaks up under your arm and comes across your chest. Like, it can be done. It's just not as intuitive, not as nice. You know, having done a few different classes where we were moving through doorways,

moving down hallways, entering rooms and stuff like that, I have found very few situations that couldn't be remedied by choking. up on the rifle or shotgun, as opposed to switching shoulders. Now, I'm a civilian. I don't have the guaranteed government health care of a police officer or a military person, whatever quality that health care may be. I'm not ever intending to clear a building. No, but the one thing.

So, but the one thing I can tell you is, is like, in my house specifically, If I need to secure a very specific spot of my home, I have to do it from the left shoulder. Okay. Or I have to expose this much of my torso. That's a rough choice. I would go lefty. So there are situations where it makes 110% good sense to just eat it and switch shoulders. I will say that like.

The shell ejection on the barretta might get a bit aggressive shooting lefty. But that's a small price to pay. Small price to pay. I will say this much, though, when you start talking about, like, modern sling theory and having to move from one shoulder to the other and doing things really dynamically, I will say that you can make up for a less than perfect sling length. You can make up for a less than perfect sling swivel location by taking your body out of the sling and just leaving the sling around your neck. True. Not optimal, not perfect. Not comfortable.

Not as comfortable, but for a specific situation to pie a corner properly, I have to shoot from my opposite shoulder, just pull your arm down and through and out the sling, leave it around the back of your neck, swivel to the other shoulder, do what you got to do, and then get back into it just fast to make, you know, once you break cover a move. Like there are, there are ways to do this and to your point about choking up on the gun, everyone's heard that argument of I need like an 8 inch SBR so I can go through. through doorways. I'm telling you right now, I learned to do vehicle operations in an armored Humvee with a 20 inch M16A2. It can be done. I did a number of room clearing classes with a 20 inch AR. Yeah. I didn't have any problems dip shitting into the door trim. No, it's very doable. It takes practice and it takes a little bit of technique. It takes slipping the buttstock out of your shoulder and down under your armpit, it takes sometimes... I prefer it up over my shoulder.

I was going to say that's another technique and I've done it both ways. I find it depends on what I'm doing. Absolutely does. But I've found that as far as getting back on the gun quick and getting onto a target quick, if you're up over your shoulder and your line of sight is directly down that gun barrel, guess what? I'm on target. And I can with my wrist jacked up like this, I can handle a recoil of a 223.

Oh, yeah. fine most people can i guess my point is is like regardless of how you regardless of how you decide to do that whether you whether you like put some extra slack in the sling so you can transition one shoulder to another whether you hang it around the back of your neck whether you choke it above your shoulder under your shoulder like all these different techniques are out there and that they're accessible i always tell a shooter like you have to be willing to experiment and figure out what works for you. And that starts with how to mount the sling, where to mount the sling attachment points,

how to run the sling, how much slack. Because to me, the proof is always going to be in the pudding of what works. Big push there for a training class. Yes. Look, the internet will tell you there is only one per, well, okay, the internet will tell you there's a million perfect ways to do something. And all of them are absolutely correct. Yes.

And each person you speak to is the absolute. authority on the correct way for you to do something when they've never met you and have no idea what shape you are or size you are. That's why I tell you, practice it, train with it, do it on the clock, do it in a training class, do it at a range, do it dry fire around your house, preferably when your wife and kids aren't around because they'll look at you funny. Don't ask me how I know. But practice it and you will learn very, very quickly. This sling is too damn small. I need to put some more length into it. Or it is way too big. I like, it's just hanging off me. I can't use for stability. Or I really want this sling attachment point like back a

couple of inches or I want to forward a couple of inches or I want to run it a different way. You will learn your body and your body mechanics and to a degree your training habits will tell you. Like to the to the point Nick and I just went through where he said he prefers to put his buttstock above his shoulder versus me like to put it below my shoulder. For an AR, for a 12 gauge, don't do that. No, no, no. For a 12 gauge, do not do that. Under your armpit every single. single time but absolutely i've here's the thing i've run both ways i think there's a good there's a good argument to have made depending on the situation to do it both ways uh nick and i are yeah nick and i had a whole conversation several months ago about um over the top of the receiver loading versus

under the receiver loading for a shotgun and see i i've i've messed up my wrist a few times i cannot do uh the what is it underneath i can't do i can't do You can't do underneath. Yeah. And here's the thing of it. I've got a bone to pick with Stewart now. The best shotgun guy in the world. The hot family, the guys from SimTag, doesn't matter.

Pick your trainer. The best shotgun guy in the world could tell Nick, the best way to do this is load from underneath, but his body mechanics do not allow that. Period. The way my wrist is jacked up. I can't twist my wrist in that direction. Yeah. Now, me personally, I can do.

it from below. I can do it from above. I practice both ways. But like I told Nick, I'm like, I used to do it above a lot. But I had to reteach myself to do it from below when I put the red dot on top of my shotgun. Because now you would think that red dot would just be a nice index point, like put it on your palm and drop your fingers just drop right into the chamber. But for some reason, putting that red dot on top of the chamber, I miss the chamber more often now. And this is why you got to train with your gear. Yeah. So, all right, I got to disagree with Stewart on this one. He says in a home defense scenario won't be using a sling.

I think slings are even more critical in a home defense scenario. What happens if they get hands on your gun? Are you, can you guarantee that you are strong enough to retain control of that weapon?

Because I bet you there are damn few people on this planet that can pull apart a magpole sling while it's strapped around my body. Can I intone to you, a story that was told to me by drill sergeant who was infantry. I'm welcome to being wrong, but man, for retention, it's hard to be to sling. So he was specifically asked this question in base training by private.

To his credit, he didn't smoke the hell out of all of us. He answered it truthfully. His exactly, exactly what he did was he looked at us. And he said, how hot do you think a barrel gets after you rack off half a magazine? And private said, very? And he said, I can promise you that if somebody grabs the end of my barrel and I pop off 10 rounds of quick succession, he's still holding on to it, he can have the damn thing. He deserves it. That's fair. I suppose where I'm at is, okay, so you're, you're me, you're in the house, you're holding your position, grabs hold of the gun, what if he frees up for half a second? now see i don't know that i would take a strong stance on this i would only say that me personally i've trained to be able to secure this house from a variety of points

gotta say this though steward that's fair if that's if the way your house is set up that that is an impossibility fair enough disregard me yeah i i would just say this much i've i've trained to i wouldn't say i ever want to have to clear the house by myself i really don't want to have to Like clearing a structure by yourself is a really, really bad decision. Clearing a structure by yourself is a recipe for sister fire and a Molotov cocktail through the window. Yeah. Now, there are clear itself. There are situations under which I would do it if I had to.

Like if my daughter's at one in the house, my wife took the other and I have to get them co-located. Like, I will do what I have to do. But there's, there's no. Right. So that's a situation I'm not in. We're a house of just two adults and a dog. Yeah. We don't have a child.

But if you had your wife in one room and the dog of the other. other than in the house. Somebody broke in the front door. That's hard. Yeah. But like I said, to me, I've never been in a situation moving through this house, even with a long gun where being slung up stopped me or slowed me down much. You know what I'm saying? So to me, it's, I don't know that I want to take the hardline stance of sling prevents problems, but it's like sling doesn't create problems. So why would I not use the sling that's on the gun because every long gun in this house has a sling in my opinion and this is all it is it's my opinion sling prevents issues more than it creates yeah that's just

how i feel about it i've never had a problem maneuvering with a slung gun because all my classes have been done with a slung gun it's all i know although steward is 600 years old yes he was around before slings were equipped on firearms yeah I mean, you know, Steward did have to tell Christopher Columbus which way to sail to make it here. So there is that. East. Holy Jesus, Nick. Depends on where he was going.

Hey, he was trying to get to the east. Well, he screwed that all up. Well, no, he just hit a diversion that was full of enslaveable peasants. Well, so was Europe. at that point. Full of inslaveable peasants or hitting diversions? Full of inslabel peasants. That's fair.

Anyway, so like that, that's my whole spiel on slings, even though we did this slideshow largely out of order. You know, like, to me, the slides are more for convenience than anything. Yeah, I think at the end of the day, like my big thing is, if you want to apply a modern sling theory

to an older firearm, there are certainly ways, I mean, it really just comes down to, like, my first question be, it's like, how do you intend to use the firearm and let that drive your decision on how do you attach that sling, how close together are those sling attachment points? And then from there, you're literally just talking about,

like, where do I sink the screw or where do I attach things? Or listen, I've seen slings literally, like a piece of wedding wrapped around the, wrapped around like where you've normally gripped like a you know like what do you call it like a traditional like a shotgun or a rifle stock right where you

normally grab it have the pit not the pistol grip but oh like what's the name for that part of a stock Nick help me out you know things. I'm completely blanking but I've seen slings literally attached words are not my strong suit wrapping a piece webbing around that and just tie it up real tight

man I have seen slings ghetto attached with hockey tape around the foreend. Paracord is becoming popular for slings. Yes. It comes and goes. Just like those paracord waist, wristbands and paracord belts,

it comes and goes in popularity. I mean, do I see the advantage of a paracord sling that you could take apart? Sure. I think he's talking about. You could also just keep 100 feet of paracord in your backpack. He might be talking about like a loop of paracord

around some part of the weapon to it. attach a sling to it. Oh, maybe. So, I don't know how visible this is, but this is a strike industry sling. They actually don't make this anymore, which is kind of annoying. It's a little, um, Kevlar strand, isn't it that holds it to the gun? Yep.

Each, each end has a little loop of Kevlar reinforced nylon and you literally run it through your sling attach point and then, you know, loop it back through itself. And it secures like that. And it's, it was. like the perfect solution for these tiny little sling attach points. Oh, I see what you mean. Like a whole sling made out of not a paracord bracelet. Yeah, woven like those paracord bracelets you used to see it. The gun shows all the time. Yeah,

I've seen those. Those annoy me for perfectly irrational reasons. Well, I mean, I get having extra cordage with you. I get having cordage with you all the time. I keep a hank of paracord in my truck. I keep a handker cord in all my backpacks. My wife's hiking back. backpack has a hank of paracord in it i don't know if she knows that but it's there if it becomes necessary she'll appreciate it oh absolutely so like i said that that's my whole spiel on like slings i i think arts and crafts that's fair i think that at the end of the day when you gets talking about slings i always say that like there's there's a hundred ways to do that

And there's probably only about five that are truly wrong. Everything else is just degrees of right and what's best for your situation, your use case, and everything else. Thank you, Stuart. It was wrist. Wrist was the word I was looking for. Okay, yeah, the wrist of the stock. Yes. I couldn't conjure that freaking word out of my brain bank.

and Nick, I wanted it to be a more complicated term than that. Man, I am not a word of my fire. Yeah. Steel cutter. It wasn't, I didn't want to say pistol grip because it wasn't a pistol grip. This is not, and it's not a bird's head, because a bird's head is what happens when you do a sawed off and a felony. Yeah. Felonies are fun, but they're felonies for reasons, apparently.

Apparently, fun is bad. Fun is against the law. Although there's, cannons are not against the law. I'm not sure about our Canadian compatriot here, but if you're in the signal chat, let me know if cannons are illegal in Canada, because if you get in the Secret Santa, I might send you a cannon.

You never know. I just remembered a meme that I showed my wife and it made me giggle. It said, everything I like is blonde, expensive, or illegal. Accurate? I'm not a fan of blondes. Never have been.

Well, my wife had just died her hair blonde. ah that makes sense so but definitely expensive and illegal and tell me about it there was a time there where you could ebay a top of the line russian model bet uh russian modern main battle tank direct from ukraine i could not clear that one past the checking account or my wife definitely my wife I have an excellent credit score and what are they going to do? Repossess the tank

I have a tank Raggle I absolutely saw the I absolutely saw the tank pulling the plow after the after the Ukrainian farmers stole it

oh you can't have cannons okay make sure if you do end up in the patron chat and you do end up in the secret Santa draw at some

point. You make that very clear because I may do a Canadian felony if you don't and I get you for Secret Santa. But is Somerside of Life even a patron? I'm not sure. I don't know, but if they ever become one or if any Canadians are out there and they do become patrons and they do get in the Secret Santa Exchange, warn me ahead of time or I will accidentally do a Canadian felony. Yeah. I wonder if he can have a flamethrower because those are also a lot of fun. well given the canadian's penchant for war crimes i'm hoping yes perhaps anyway let's go ahead and roll this one out i don't want to make it like an italian goodbye but you know i mean like like we always say that this came about because one of the listeners asked a question and a seemingly innocuous

question spawned a minor argument which is how podcasts start but yeah we're always up for listener questions and in particular patron questions and occasionally we're bullied and uh taking on topics so if you're curious about something or just want to hear an opinion or a deep dive or some tisming tism you know instagram messages uh matter facts podcast contact form signal chat you can leave comments on these youtube videos or in rumble sooner or later we'll probably see us yep and if we don't just yell at us louder yes and repeatedly yeah that that works very well it's how we got filled by a shotgun thank you neck thank you i know and you're going to work on me on

night vision oh it's coming oh i know i'm already got a set picked out am i even going to work on you though i'm going to work on your wife oh that's the dangerous part because that would be so easy Rachel, we need to talk about stargazing with the PBS 14. There was a meteor shower we missed out on because I did not have night fishing. Didn't I tell you, didn't I show you the, the, the videos I shot of a meteor shower that was down here with the PBS 14? You definitely showed them to me. Was it not? In suburbia.

Yeah, dude. It was a gababoo. Phenomenal. Phenomenal pictures. Yep. Oh, Somerside of Life, NightVision I can have here. Well, there's a little bit of funny. Hey, man.

If you rule the night, you're going to win no matter what your equipment is. Yep. Can't shoot what you can't see. Well, unless you have a minigone. Suppressive fire is suppressive. It is. All right. Matter of fact, podcast is going to go out the door. Phil and Nick are going goodbye.

Andrew didn't show up, so I'm going to bully him later, and we'll be back another week. Good night, everybody. Good night. You're going to be able to be.