The Prepper Broadcasting Network - Matter of Facts: ATF Says No Sell Guns Or Else

Episode Date: April 29, 2024

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Welcome back to the Matterfacts Podcast on the Prepper Broadcasting Network. We talk prepping guns and politics every week on iTunes, Stitcher, and Spotify. Go check out our content at mofpodcast.com on Facebook or Instagram. You can support us via Patreon or by checking out our affiliate partners. I'm your host, Phil Rabelais, and my co-host Andrew Bobo is on the other side of the mic, and here's your show. And welcome back to the Matterfacts Podcast. It's Friday night, I have nothing to drink drink and this is going to be a drinking episode because we're going to talk about my favorite three-letter agency at some point. Andrew, how do we arrive at this point where like I have this queued up in the banners and yet I

don't have like a whiskey and coke or anything sitting here to help modulate my emotions? And yet, I don't have like a whiskey and coke or anything sitting here to help modulate my emotions. Why didn't you get one? Didn't think of it until literally I hit the button that said go live, and then I was like, ugh. Critical oversight. Do you have a kid? Yeah. Where's the wife at?

The wife is ruminating. We literally just ran back in the door 15 minutes ago from doing acts of kindness and charity for others. Shoot her a text and say, whiskey and coke, please. Nah, I'll just soldier on without it. Also, you have options to get one, so stop complaining. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. That's what you're here for is telling me to shut up and get over it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know. That's what you're here for, is telling me to shut up and get over it. So let's start with something fun before we start ranting, before I start losing my crap about the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and F-Ups.

So I am admitting at this point that I'm like a self-admitted radio dork. Like, I'll happily wear the title. We had that episode with our listener Scott a few weeks ago now, I think, where we did the comms of sorcery episode. And for anybody that missed it, you should definitely go back and listen to or watch that. It was lots and lots of really good. Hey, Raggle Fraggle, thanks for joining us. It was lots of really good information. It was kind of centered mostly around GMRSrs which i think is going to be my particular brand of um radio dorkdom just because you know like i've laid out before i'm not going to convince my wife and daughter to jump through the hoops to get ham licenses and quite frankly the more i dig into gmrs the more find, I just like the community, you know? So I think that's, that's probably going to be the route I go. My, um, my, my radio collection has grown from the FRS radios,

the Tulo Motorola T800s that we've been using for years to now four Beofane GM15s, which I've been fairly happy with. For anybody that happens to be crawling the interwebs looking for one, if you can't find it and you find a Radio Oddity GM-30, they are functionally exactly the same. They use the same programming software, for goodness sakes. So, like, you know, programming-wise, as far as I'm concerned, they're clones of each other.

Probably come out of the same factory, to be honest. But I haven't been unhappy with the Beofangs. Obviously, I haven't thrown one around enough yet to know how durable it is, but it definitely seems to be getting the job done. More recently, in that bottom picture, I picked up a Radiodity DB20G 20-watt mobile and squeezed that into the pocket in my truck right in front of the cup holders. And I haven't been unhappy with that so far. I've had a chance to use it a little bit, just kind of, you know, scooting around town. I've got to the point now where as soon as

I get in the truck, I just, you know, twist the knob and turn it on. It's set to the nearest repeater, which is down in New Orleans. And the day I put it in to make sure it was working properly, before I went through the trouble of drilling holes and mounting it, I just hooked everything up real quick and I ker-chunked the repeater and I got a good callback from it. So I knew it was working correctly and transmitting, receiving right, and I had it programmed right. And then that evening after I got everything done, I went ahead and just, you know, grabbed the mic, flipped it back to the New Orleans repeater, keyed up and did a repeater check. Got a good return from somebody who was, to link repeaters by radio frequency. You can't do that with GMRS, but what people have figured out in GMRS is that they actually hook repeaters together using internet nodes.

So you can think about this, like Andrew, you've used like VoIP, right? Voice over IP. Yeah. Like an internet-based phone, basically. They basically hook that to the transmit and receive side of a GMRS repeater, and then anything,

any traffic that goes back and forth across that gets shot through the node, and all the repeaters that are all linked together through the internet all cross-talk to each other. So what happened was, I was talking to the New Orleans repeater, and someone in Florida happened to be close to whatever repeater they have over there. I think he said Seminole, but I could have misheard that. But he was talking to his repeater in Florida, and those two repeaters are linked together through an internet node. So it's, you know, I don't know that that has, I don't know that that system has a ton of use for like for our community, for the preparedness community.

Because if there's a major power outage, then those repeaters are all going to go down. And unless they're running off a generator or a solar setup, and most of them are not, and the internet nodes are also going to be quickly compromised by the comm lines getting shut down. But it's an interesting use case and, you know, quite frankly, I've gotten to the point where that mobile was able to tag the repeater, and I am two and a half miles inland from Lake Pontchartrain, plus 25 miles over the lake. So I'm fairly happy with the range I've been able to get at this thing. I don't know if I'm going to be able to accomplish my ultimate goal with this setup, which is to be able to reach my wife at her workplace from home.

And I don't want to get too far into it yet because I hate talking about stuff that hasn't come to fruition yet. But you and I have talked offline, and I have a plan in the making that I think will probably pull that off. Probably. I mean, why? But talking to the person in Florida, why do you think it won't? Why do you think it has no value to you? Well, it's not that I think it has no value to me. I think if you're approaching GMRS as a hobby like a lot of ham radio users do, and it's kind of like for the pure enjoyment of the radio dorkdom and nerdism,

like I managed to talk to somebody five states away, then that's cool. But the primary reason I got into off-grid comms is so that in the event of a major disaster, like, you know, like I didn't have a cat four hurricane try to wipe us off the face of the earth a couple years ago, I'm looking for ways to have communications with a small group of people in the event that the cell phones go down, the internet goes down, the power goes down. So I need fully self-contained communications within as wide of a radius as I can get. And my concern with these repeaters is that most of these repeaters that, like the one I'm currently talking to in New Orleans, I don't know. I'd have to try to get in touch with that repeater owner and ask him some questions, which I'm sure he'd answer.

But it's not as if he's going to radically alter it on my behalf. But my concern is that most of these repeaters, they're not running on a generator. They don't have a generator backup. So if there's a widespread power outage, those repeaters go down. So if there's a widespread power outage, those repeaters go down. And even if you're fortunate enough to be in a situation where you have a generator backup, if we end up in the situation like we were after Ida where AT&T's internet service was out all throughout this area, that internet node goes down. So you see where I'm coming from? It's one of those things where it's like – I see where you're coming from, but I feel like – I mean, I see why you're making it and stuff like that, but information is information.

So in the event that something did happen and maybe the power didn't go out, but if you can call, and even if it's in an event to where the power is not even a factor, as far as going out or a concern of going out, I mean, having the ability to call somebody, um, and know that you can reach Florida, um, who knows the next person might be in Georgia or, you know, whatever. So just the idea that you can reach that far for additional information, uh, is, is, it's pretty big. I mean, that's, that widens your circle out to multiple States. I mean, that's that widens your circle out to multiple states. Yeah. Well, and it also depends, though, because like in my head, whenever I talk about widespread disaster, like we all know where I'm coming from. I live in Hurricane Alley. And when we get a hurricane come through here, it wipes out five zip codes.

That's that's the way hurricanes work. Y'all. I'm not thinking about like not too long ago. I'm not thinking about like not too long ago we had an F2 tornado touchdown about 20 miles east of me through my hometown and ripped up a bunch of neighborhoods. But the areas all around those neighborhoods were all still fine. There was a power outage for a couple of days. But in a situation like that where the disaster is much, much more localized, those repeaters still have a chance of being up. disaster is much, much more localized, those repeaters still have a chance of being up. And then the ability to utilize them becomes much more of a, it becomes much more plausible. I see where you're coming from. It's a question of like how widespread is the disaster? How serious is the devastation? Are those repeaters impacted? I guess, um, like for, for my, my most immediate goal of

being able to keep in touch with my wife across town, I really need to figure out a way to get about a four-mile simplex repeater or a four-mile simplex range. And I'm not going to be able to accomplish that with – I'm not going to be able to accomplish – the only way I'm going to pull that off with her in her Jeep because she's not going to be able to accomplish the only way i'm going to pull that off with her in her jeep because she's not going to drill hole let me drill holes in her jeep to do what i did with my truck and put like a mobile station into it i might be able because the mobile i got really doesn't require it like it has a pigtail that plugs into a cigarette lighter socket i could get a mag mount antenna that she could just drop onto her hood or stick on her roof and then just route the cable in through an open window or, you know, kind of pinch it through the door gasket, you know, in a field expedient manner. And then she could literally sit that radio on her center console and plug it into the cigarette lighter and she

could run without having to make drastic modifications and permanent modifications to her vehicle like I did. So that might be an option. I think ultimately what I'm looking at though is I want to build kind of a man-packed radio system so that we have more than just handset power available to us, like when we go camping or when we're at prep or camp or various places. And then, so I have, I've started wrangling the stuff together to pull that off. And I'm also thinking along the lines of, you know, once I have that radio system built, then the only things I really need to utilize it here at the house is I would need a mast and an antenna that would live here at the house. I would need to run some coax to probably this office, honestly. And I would need

a DC power inverter with a pigtail. So I can just unplug the radio from the built-in battery that's in, that's going to be in the man pack to run it when I'm mobile, plug it into the DC inverter, screw in the antenna that's, you know, sitting in the backyard that I've run coax into the house. And then I'll be in a position where I can use this man packs, you know, in here and push 50 watts out through a 30 foot mast and probably get fairly decent range. When you consider the fact that I was able to get a signal 27 miles with 20 watts with an antenna this tall sitting on the roof of my truck. So in the GMRS game, man, because I mean, you know how UHF works, like you're familiar enough with ham radio that UHF is line of sight. It does not tolerate a lot of, it gets

bounced around real hard by things like buildings and trees and everything and every foot higher up in the air you can get your antenna makes a world of difference to GMRS because of the frequencies involved so I'm thinking for a home installation I just need to get that mass 20 or 30 feet up in the air not because it's going to be useless at 10 feet but because every foot higher improves the performance that much but i can tell you that my handset will not receive the new orleans repeater from right here at my house very reliably like every now and then i'll hear something

if i drive down to the lakefront with my handset i can can pick up the New Orleans repeater without a problem, but I can't hit it from the lakefront reliably. But this thing, I was able to get a strong return from the repeater from my driveway. So the step up in power and the improvement in the antenna just to the point I'm at now has already unlocked a world of additional range for me. But I don't think this is the last time I'm going to be talking about radio dork stuff because I've kind of got bit by the bug. Yeah, it's a rabbit hole. Yeah, I mean, it's a rabbit hole, but I think that there's –

because I know that a lot of our listeners, several of our listeners have expressed to me in conversations like, Phil, I don't care about antenna design and all this nonsense. I just want to be able to talk to, I just want to be able to pick up a radio and talk to my wife. So I think there's room in talking about GMRS because of how the frequencies are channelized, because of how it's set up. I think there's room to make that a simple thing that solves a need for people.

And I think that there's a way for me to present that as an option for off-grid communications. That's palatable and digestible by a lot of people. You know what I'm saying? Like I appreciate, I am, I am digging headfirst into things like antenna design because I'm a nerd and I find it interesting, but I understand that like 95% of our audience just says, Phil, tell me what I need to get so I can talk to my four miles away. And I'm going to, I'm going to try to like not let my autism run wild and,

you know, tell her about crap they don't want to hear and just give them the information they're asking for. I swear my wife is listening right now. She's giggling because God, I talk her ear off about crap she doesn't care about so often, but perks of being married. Oh, you know, She's giggling because, God, I talk her ear off about crap she doesn't care about so often. But perks of being married, you know.

You always have someone to listen. That'll listen to you. I will. I mean, hopefully. Anyway. So let's start with the aggravating topic. I don't know that there's much that could be said about this that hasn't already been said several times, because this happened almost a month ago now,

and I haven't heard a lot of additional information come out since. But it sounds to me like ATF upgraded from shooting people's dogs to just shooting homeowners now. Yeah, they don't care. No, they don't. Four-legged. now yeah they don't care no they don't like four leg i mean the biggest thing is they just want gun owners dead so well and and i've kind of taken the position of like i am of the opinion and anybody's welcome to disagree with me but i'm of the opinion that most federal agencies only exist at this point to attempt to justify their continued existence.

So ATF has to be seen doing their job and, you know, arresting the scary gun owners. And I think at this point, that is the whole point of what they were doing here. Like, I'm going to draw parallels of this to the Waco, the raid against Waco, Texas, against the Branch Davidians compound because it's been said numerous times following that debacle that, you know, the local sheriff could have picked up David Koresh on the side of the road on his morning run. He could have picked him up at the coffee shop where he had coffee several times a week. There were so many opportunities to take him

in a peaceful manner. He would have come to the sheriff's station if they would have just called and said, hey, we need you to come in for some questions. But the ATF chose, chose, decided that the way to do this was by kicking in doors by men wearing masks with machine guns because they wanted to be seen doing their jobs. And you don't get to, you don't get to argue that we need a bigger budget for more people and more stuff if the local stumblefuck sheriff just gets this guy without firing a shot. You got to have the cattle car full of the guys in black uniforms show up and kick a door in so that everybody realizes this is why we pay these people. This is why we cut them millions or billions of dollars in budget every year.

So they kick people's door in. So what do we have happen here? We have a no-knock raid at 6 o'clock in the morning while this homeowner was home. No one apparently let them know this was the ATF, that this was law enforcement. let them know this was the ATF, that this was law enforcement, and the homeowner did exactly what almost any rational sane person would have done in his situation, and he shot back at people who were invading his home because he didn't realize they were cops, and they shot him in the head and killed him. Now, the family and many other people have asked, what precipitated the need to do a no-knock raid? What pushed this course of action to the forefront that this was the way to deal with the problem?

You could have raided his home when he was at work. You could have raided his home when nobody was home. That's what sane, rational people with tactical training do. sane, rational people with tactical training do. If my concern is I'm looking for evidence of a crime in a home, I don't want to get into a fight with the homeowners. I'm going to wait until the husband's at work and the wife's out getting groceries, and then I may hit the front door when nobody's home. And by the time anybody realizes what's going on, I got all the evidence I need. Or if my concern is I want to get the homeowner, then I'm going to have the local police pull the homeowner over while he's on his way to work because he goes to work the same time every freaking morning.

It probably takes the same path to get to and from work. I can pick him up at his office at an airport where you can't have guns. There were so many ways to deal with this problem that didn't have to end with this man dying, and I'm not taking a position on whether or not he was guilty of a crime because we can't figure that out because you can't investigate a freaking corpse. But what pisses me off is the fact that, once again, federal law enforcement has decided that the only way to deal with this problem is by treating every problem like a nail and they are a hammer.

Any option that doesn't involve them getting to kick in somebody's door and roughhouse with a homeowner is not one they're interested in pursuing and that pisses me off i think people have a right to defend themselves in their homes i think law enforcement has a duty and a responsibility to use the minimum amount of force to discharge a warrant not the amount that makes you feel good or puts lead in your pencil every morning i'm'm just – I'm tired of hearing about homeowners getting into gunfights with feds because feds can't help themselves but to pack a bunch of guys full of – wearing balaclavas into a frigging cattle car and roll them up to somebody's door just to make a point. Am I off base? No, I mean it just – yeah. There's no reason why they couldn't have done this any different.

I mean, even the family's questioning. They're questioning basically why the ATF did what they did. And so it's just like, you know, you could have went to his work. You could have questioned him any other 100 different ways, spoke to him. to you know you could have questioned them any other 100 different ways uh spoke to him um and being a law biden citizen uh you know he i'm sure if you if the atf or whoever was like hey we need to talk to you i'm sure he'd come in and um and speak to you because i mean this guy basically um it sounds like this they it sounds like what they were trying to go after this guy was selling firearms, and they were saying that he was doing it illegally,

which with the change in the definition, basically this is right up to... What they were talking about this guy doing is the exact thing that uh they changed the definition for uh and basically so they and so they changed the definition and they in turn um made are making millions hundreds of millions of uh gun owners uh felons basically or. Or hundreds of thousands, if not millions, sorry. No, before we move on to the next thing, there's just one thing I want to point out. This is the brother's assertion, the brother of the now-deceased he's gentleman. And this is the same question I have to ask myself.

The deceased brother was stating that, you know, that his brother was well connected in Arkansas, had an annual salary of more than a quarter million dollars. And for an airport director, that's very believable for a big, for a big airport. Though by the time you work your way at that high in aviation, you're making some bucks and apparently had, you know, some very nice collections of guns and coins. But this statement right here is the one that makes me wonder. When someone makes that much money, there's no incentive to do anything wrong. He has so much to lose. And this is the thing that makes me wonder. What the ATF is asserting is that they're asserting that the accused, the now deceased was selling was straw purchasing

farms basically he'd go in and buy like you know 20 glocks and he'd sell them and they were showing up at crime seats and yada yada yada let's let's give ground on that for just the briefest of moments and say okay that's what was going on why why? Why? Why even engage in some nonsense like that when you are living in a very cushy suburb with a very well-paying job, and one single of those firearms getting found at a crime scene is grounds to have your entire life torn apart? I just, I don't see it. I question it. I really want to see the ATF's warrant. I really want to see their evidence because I can't help but think we are talking about the same agency that lied through their teeth about why they raided, about, you know, they lied through their teeth about their involvement in Ruby Ridge. They lied through their teeth about everything

that happened at Waco. They've lied through their teeth multiple times. Their freaking current director is a stumblefuck moron. I just, this whole agency has so little credibility to me that they say this guy was selling guns on the black market. Show me your evidence because I don't know that I believe a thing that comes out of their mouths at this point. They've lied too many times. They have no integrity as an agency, and for the officers who work for them, boys, I don't know what to tell y'all anymore. Like, y'all are not, y'all are the baddies at this point. Your entire agency is corrupt, and if you can't see it anymore, then I don't think you want to

see it. But I'm just very frustrated and concerned, and, you know, if I can get my screens to cooperate. And that brings us to, you know, the thing Andrew was referencing earlier, which, quite frankly, makes me more than a little bit nervous. The ATF has just proposed a new rule to change the definition of whether or not you are engaged in the business as a dealer in firearms. Now, for those of you who are not like, you know, really super plugged in, understand that if you want to be in the business of selling firearms you you are supposed to you are legally required to go and get a license so that the federal government knows you're selling guns and then there's some paperwork to go through and we all

know if you've ever gone and bought a gun you have to do a 4473 get a background check, yadda yadda yadda. And the FFL, the Federal Firearms Licensee, has to maintain a bound book to basically say, I sold this gun to this person, yadda yadda yadda. I'm not an expert. I'm not an FFL. I don't need that headache in my life, but I understand the broad strokes of it. There's a lot of crap involved if you want to sell firearms in this country, even though I think you should be able to buy machine guns and RPGs out of vending machines. We don't live in that world. You know, just bear with us. However, it has also been well understood for a very, very long time that if I want to sell a gun to Andrew, and I can't think of any reasons I'd want to sell a gun, but, you know, humor me for a moment. But if I wanted to and I knew that Andrew wasn't, you know, an axe murderer or a felon,

I could legally sell him a firearm and we're fine because I'm not an FFL holder. I'm not in the business of selling guns. I just have a gun I don't want anymore. He wants it. We trade some cash for some plastic and metal and we make that happen. And that's always been legal up to this point. plastic and metal and we make that happen. And that's always been legal up to this point. Right up until the ATF wants to now redefine whether or not you are engaged in the business as a dealer in firearms. Now, I'm not going to belabor this whole thing. I'm going to scroll

on down to the executive summary and point out a couple of sections I highlighted. And then I really want to hear Andrew's thoughts because like this genuinely unnerves the hell out of me. So ATF wishes to change the previous definition hinged around whether the income from selling the firearm was considered to be for their livelihood. In other words, like if I, if as a business I am buying and selling guns, then obviously I'm engaged in the business. They wish to change it to, to predominantly earn a profit. So it's not just that if you sell a gun for a profit that you, you have to have an FFL or you get your door kicked in and get shot.

It's the fact that if it's predominantly to earn a profit. So like if I incidentally earn a profit that you have to have an FFL or you get your door kicked in and get shot. It's the fact that if it's predominantly to earn a profit. So like if I incidentally earn a profit or if guns appreciate over time, which everybody freaking knows they do. I mean, you know, I know a person who bought a firearm back in the late 70s and current market value, it's appreciated 300%. So if that person sells that gun for what it's currently worth, which is a lot more money than what he bought it for, did he sell it to predominantly earn a profit, or did he just earn a profit because the gun's worth more 30, 40 years later?

You see where I'm going with this? The part of this that makes me nervous is, later. You see where I'm going with this? The part of this that makes me nervous is it requires the ATF to assume the person's motive was to predominantly earn a profit. And that presumption, in my opinion, is very, very squishy legally. But I think that's the point. I think the point is to make this legally squishy so that they can apply it where they want to apply it, which is they want to discourage people from private party sales because there's some thought process that they're untraceable. I've got news for you. It's pretty freaking hard to trace a sold firearm anyway. And best I'm aware, Johnny B. Gangbanger that's selling Glocks out of his trunk, he ain't keeping a bound book.

But I digress. Well, that's what the director, right off the ATF's website here, he quoted as saying, this is about protecting the lives of innocent law-abiding Americans, as well as the rule of law. There is a large and growing black market of guns that are being sold by people who are in the business of dealing and are doing it without a license and therefore they are not running a background check the way the law requires and it is fueling violence yeah okay i mean there i mean he's talking about the law-abiding citizen not following the rules, right? Not the gangbanger that, like you said, is basically doing the drive-by shootings

and selling stuff out of the trunk of a car and everything like that. They can't be talking about them, God forbid. But, yeah, no, this, but that's the thing is, like, the, you know, the Brian Malinowski, I think is his last name. Basically. That's as close as I'm going to get to it, but, yeah. Yeah, but basically this guy who they kicked the door in at 6 o'clock in the morning, and there are some lawmakers that are actually pushing for the ATF to release body cam footage and all kinds of stuff to say hey what the heck happened uh and so i mean they got video of them walking up to his house and they cover his ring camera and they they they uh cover the

camera up on his ring doorbell so that they can't be videotaped you know so so they don't want to see and on top of that the uh the the warrant that was released that they i guess they've been releasing around it's been so heavily redacted you can't see like you don't get anything from it uh but they it so basically uh it is a heavily redacted warrant affidavit. The ATF claims that Malinowski purchased numerous firearms that he resold without a dealer's license. That's 100% to this rule right here. He did not have a dealer license. And that's the thing. I have some guns I was looking at.

I'm like, you know what? I don't shoot them. They've been just collecting dust. I want to sell them. You better not. Well, that's the thing, though, is now you can't. Or you better sell them for not one penny more than you paid for them. Yeah.

No, I mean, but, well, you know, I mean, I'm going to gift you a gun, and you can gift me money, I guess. No, no, no. They'll definitely shoot you over that. Yeah. So I don't know. It's going to be interesting to see. I'm wondering, I feel like the ATF,

they got their teeth kicked in with the frames and receivers rule, or they're still getting their teeth kicked in with that. They got their teeth kicked in with the pistol brace rule. I feel like this one is just 100%. This is like the Hail Mary to completely stiff the law-abiding gun owner from selling and buying firearms the way it should have always been or the way it's always been and the way it should always be is if you want to sell at a private party, then you know what?

Go ahead and do it. And that's where, you know, that's the thing is that's where the, and i've noticed over the last i mean even 10 years or so a lot of people that i know who are selling firearms they're requiring a cpl just to cover their butt because they don't want to sell to somebody who's a convicted felon or anything like that so they're saying hey you need a cpl yeah and a lot of the forums that i go on it's hey you need, you need a CPL, stuff like that. So, yeah, I don't know.

I mean, it'll be interesting to see what happens with this rule. I'm sure it goes into effect, I believe, May 20th, I want to say, is what I heard or read. And I'm kind of curious to see what happens with it because, obviously, And, uh, I'm kind of curious to see what happens with it. Cause obviously with all these stupid rule changes that they do, uh, as, uh, Americans, uh, you know, or law abiding citizens, I would say, uh, we have to, we're supposed to go with the law. We're supposed to follow the law while it's in court. That's what's stupid is they implement this unconstitutional rule and then we have to follow it while it's

going through uh going through the court system but i don't know i mean i by all means though yeah but see here's my frustration with what you just said if if for a moment I believe that there would be direct, serious consequences for the person who penned this nonsense, like whoever signs off on these rule changes, if that person was going to lose their freaking job and pension for putting one out that was found later to be unconstitutional, I would be much more inclined to humor the agency and let it have its day in court and be like, OK, I'm going to play by the rules, knowing that if that when this gets found unconstitutional, the person who penned it loses their daggum career and job. Like, I lost my rights because a right to late is a right to night. I lost my rights for a period of time. You lose your entire livelihood as a result because you shouldn't have put your name on this nonsense. And to that end, I firmly and wholeheartedly believe that the only way we're ever going to see this nonsense unwind itself is if there's real legitimate career-ending consequences for the people who continue to propose laws and rules that are later found unconstitutional. It has to be that severe because otherwise there's nothing to stop them from doing

it. Like I've said before, what aggravates me about our legal system is that the government uses our tax dollars because they don't produce anything to sell to anybody to make their own money. So that's how they keep themselves afloat. They steal money from us. This is so freaking appropriate right now, considering it's tax time. They steal money from us, okay? And then they use it to pay people to dream up this crap that screws us out of our rights. And then we spend our money, we donate it to organizations who then drag their butts into court and, you know, raised holy hell about the fact that this is unconstitutional. And that takes tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars over the course of months and years

before we might maybe finally get a judgment that overturns it. And the whole time we're spending our money to fight this in court, those mother effers are spending our money on other lawyers to fight us against our own money. We're losing at this both ends. We're funding the war chest of the people that are screwing us while we're funding the war chest of the people that are trying to save us. It's freaking aggravating. And that is the American legal system. and that is our that is the american legal system well yeah the the government's using the taxpayer dollars to to uh enforce unconstitutional laws against the taxpayer and to fight the taxpayer they use their taxpayer dollars in court uh to fight you know you're

basically you're yeah, it's ridiculous. I mean, I've said that before where it's just like that's actually it's a crock of crap, like how the government can actually use your money to strip your rights away is is crazy. I mean, so, yeah, I think rattle fraggle is dead on, like in positions of power are most interested in growing that power and protecting that power. The only reason why any politician ever does the right thing is because doing the wrong thing is going to get them fired. That's the only daggum reason these people do anything right. I mean, you have to understand that, like, I basically regard politicians, even the ones I vote for, I basically regard politicians, even the ones I vote for, I regard them all basically as freaking like narcissistic, disgusting little sociopaths. And I truly believe that the only way any of them are ever going to do the right thing is if somebody is waiting with a paddle to whack them on the butt every time they do something wrong.

It's the only thing they respond to is I'm going to screw your day up if you don't do what I tell you to do. And I wish people existed that were immune to the allure of power and money that comes with politics, but all the people I know that don't care about that don't want to be involved in politics. They're people like me. The idea of me ever getting into politics makes my skin crawl because I just don't want to be involved in all that slimy nonsense. I don't do this whole thing where you speak politely and kindly to people who are trying to screw you. I'd rather tell them, F you, get off my frigging porch. It's the way I'm wired. And people like me don't want to go into politics. The people that go into politics are the people who have something to benefit from it.

And if you think that your politician, the one you voted for, the one that you shook hands with, is the only one totally immune from this allure of power, he might be. But I might be right, too, that he's just doing what he's supposed to do to keep himself from getting fired. But if that threat is the only thing that keeps them on the straight and narrow, fine. That's what we're supposed to do as Americans, is distrust our daggum government. But the part of this that... Like, there was this one passage in there that I think in a very conciliatory way says,

the final rule expressly recognizes that individuals who purchase firearms for the enhancement of a personal collection or a legitimate hobby are permitted by the GCA that individuals who purchase firearms for the enhancement of a personal collection or legitimate hobby are permitted by the GCA to occasionally buy and sell firearms for the purposes or occasionally resell to a licensee or to a family member for lawful purposes without the need to obtain a license. And to me, that whole little passage sounds like a very half-hearted, cover my butt so that when we get sued in court, this goes our way, because I just, I have no faith in the ATF and the DOJ to not abuse this. I have no faith in

government that they're not going to twist this to go after people doing private sales. I have no faith left in them anymore. They're going to abuse this. And if you don't think they're going to abuse this, there's a woman and a brother burying a man right now who may or may not be guilty of a thing other than defending his freaking home from a bunch of guys in ski masks who kicked in his door at 6 o'clock in the morning. The history of this country is littered with the bodies of people who pissed off their government. And instead of that government trying to take them into custody in a peaceful manner to have their day in trial, they opted to use the maximum amount of force possible because, damn it, people are going to do what we say or we're going to kill them. And that is where I'm at with our government right now. I am so incredibly and unendingly frustrated that we are dealing with a literal mafia running around our country, booting in was an unreasonable thing to do. Like, how dare he shoot at cops? Well, if you kick my door at six o'clock in the morning, I'm going to do a whole lot more than greet you

on the front porch, shake hands with you. There's going to be some lead flinging back and forth because I don't know who you are. I just know you kicked in the door where my wife and daughter sleep and we're about to have a fight. You know, this is the third episode that I've gotten on a good rant and you haven't pulled out the blood pressure warning. Eh, it's okay. I'm so disappointed, though. I put time and effort into that. And I don't ever think to throw it up because I'm in the middle of, you know, my blood pressure getting into the triple digits. Yeah, you're okay. I didn't see the vein pop out, so you're fine.

That's what you're waiting for, isn't it? Is this vein right here to start, like, coming out and pulsing? Yeah. what you're waiting for is and is is this vein right here to start like coming out and pulsing yeah so i guess the question andrew is like what what what advice do we give to people in this situation like to protect themselves like i i mean i'm not gonna give advice because i'm not an attorney yeah uh but i mean the biggest thing that i'm the the biggest thing i'm doing right now is just waiting because i mean the, the rule just dropped not long ago. I think maybe a week ago, if that. It's fairly recent, yeah.

Yeah. So, I mean, I'm just going to wait until I'm waiting to see some more information come out on it. I'm waiting to see what, like, FPC and GOA and stuff say about it and seeing what they, you know, because I know they usually will start putting on more information out uh regarding the whole situation and they'll put out uh their opinion which i already know their opinion but they'll put out more uh more on it so i'm waiting to see what they say uh you know that's the thing is uh a gun that i was looking at selling i mean i got i got like 20 mags for it. So of course I'm going

to sell it for more, you know, I'm going to sell it with that and with all the mags and, you know, it's at least the mags are at least a good, not another couple of hundred bucks. So it's like, Hey, you know, um, so yeah. So, I mean, yeah, it's just one of those things where we just need to, unfortunately we need to sit back and let the let fpc and goa do something uh do what they do best and uh um take the tyrants to court and kicking their teeth again because they've been doing a pretty good job lately about it uh so yeah we'll see i mean i don't know it i mean really like keep doing what you're doing and, I don't know. It's one of those things where just keep doing what you're doing

and let's see what we can't figure out and just keep pushing and resist where you can and donate to FPC and all that, all those other, you know, donate to those groups, donate to somewhere local. And at the same time, like, even to say, well, we'll wait and see. I mean, even that makes me nervous, though, man, because, like. Well, yeah. Do you have, do you, Andrew Bobo, have any personal faith in the fact that the ATF and the DOJ are not willing to lie to secure warrants to do what they want to do?

Like, do, I have no faith left in either agency whatsoever i have no faith i have no faith in them at all i mean they're gonna lie they're gonna do what they gotta do i mean look at what happened with ruby ridge and waco and all that stuff they made up lies uh in order to go in so so i guess what i'm saying is to me the outcome of this rule is almost a moot point because even if this rule gets struck down or gets its teeth kicked in, they're just going to say, oh, like, you know, let's just cut the federal government by 95% and just send them all home all at the same time. And if that means that there is no federal law enforcement, there is no ATF, there is no FBI, there is no CIA, I am comfortable with those terms. All of you idiots go home and leave these people alone, and we will deal with problems ourselves. Because I've said on numerous occasions, I say I like to bring this up in semi-polite company whenever somebody gets on a kick about how we need more law enforcement. I always point out something like, no, no, no.

Law enforcement is not here to save my family from whoever's going to kick our door in. I do that. Law enforcement is to save all of y'all from people like me who are comfortable taking things into their own hands. Like law enforcement is here so that I can call law enforcement and say, hey, if you don't come over here and deal with this person, I'm going to deal with them and I'm going to do it in an ugly way. That's what law enforcement does. Law enforcement is there for the people who don't have the stomach to use violence to protect themselves and their loved ones. But for the rest of us, law enforcement is really just there to clean up a mess and take a report. Because by the time not, you know, whoever's on the other side of 911 shows

up at my front door, I've already dealt the home intruder myself. I ain't going to lock myself in the bathroom and pray. I'm going to reload. And we're getting to a point where when more and more and more I see law enforcement at the federal level engaging things like this and having shootouts with homeowners on very, very flimsy reasoning, and the agency has proven that they're not trustworthy enough that we can trust what they tell us with the justification for the warrant, I get to the point where I say, okay, this whole agency is more harm than good. Get rid of all of them. I'm there. I don't know how everybody else feels, but that's how I feel. I just feel like if they're not going to be a net positive for the American people, and they certainly were not a net positive to Mr. Malinowski,

then it's maybe time to just send all of them home. Turn ATF into a convenience store. I mean, I think a place that I could, you know, buy bourbon and cigars and bourbon cigars or horizontal lock all under one roof. That sounds like a party to me. Matter of fact, Andrew, business opportunity. You need to move down here and we need to get an FFL and a liquor license, and we need to open a store called ATF, and it'll be Gun Store Bar Cigar Lounge. Bruh. Or we could call it Libertarian Wet Dream. That would work too.

Anyway, do you have anything else you want to chuck in here at the end or are we out of gas? Stay safe. Yeah. I mean, people, the best I can tell y'all is that I don't expect everybody to stay as plugged in to some of this stuff as Andrew and I are. I do think that if you are, I do think

that if you were a casual gun owner, a lot of this stuff is going to kind of float by you because, you know, you're just not into the lifestyle as much as we are. I do think, however, that if you characterize yourself as a Second Amendment advocate, you owe it to yourself and to the community to be involved and to be aware of these things and to advocate for what you believe in. Like I said years ago, and I continue to say it, we're at a point in this country where as much as I think guns should not be a political issue, they very obviously are and they will continue to be so for a very long time. We do not have the latitude to be quiet about firearms anymore. We don't have the latitude when you're in polite company and somebody starts chirping about guns to sit there and keep quiet because I don't want to start a fight or I don't want to start a confrontation. We all have to be advocates every single day, everywhere, everyone

who raises the issue, we have to present our side. We have to be brave and we have to be prepared to piss some people off because if we don't, then we are going to be the generation that watches our rights be stripped away further to the point where our children and our nieces and nephews will never know freedom like we had it. And we don't know it like the generation ahead of us did. I'm not preaching from, you know, from the root seller. I get into arguments with people about gun laws all the time. I love to get into conversations with people about, like, hey, did you know you can make pipe bombs legally and the federal government's okay with it? And that freaks them out. And then I talk about, like, the fact that you can actually NFA, you can go through the NFA process and get permission to build a pipe bomb. Like, I love to talk to people about this stuff because it just blows their mind that this stuff is actually legal if you file the paperwork and pay the taxes. But that's the thing we have to do.

When somebody says, oh, machine guns are illegal, stop them, politely address what they said, tell them they were wrong, explain to them why. Because we have to correct this misinformation. Explain to them why. Because we have to correct this misinformation. We cannot allow ignorant people to continue to vote with the guise of ignorance. If they're going to vote against our interests as far as the Second Amendment, I can't stop them. But I can at least correct their stupidity and tell them you're wrong. This is the way things really are. And if they still say, I'm going to vote against guns,

I can go with God. I sure as hell hope you never need somebody with a gun to defend your life, because I am not going to be the one. But, anyway. Oh, raggle fraggle. They have drive-thru daiquiris, right?

Drive-thru gun shops? I'm going to have to look in some legalese about that. But that would be a thing. If you had a drive-thru... Okay, so if I ever manage to get this idea off the ground and I open a store called ATF and we have cigars, bourbon, and guns all under one roof, I am putting in a drive-thru window

just to really freak people out. It will be awesome. But Matter of Facts Podcast is going to head out the door. It's a Friday night. Stay out of trouble. If you can't stay out of trouble, at least be good at getting out of trouble. And we'll talk to you on another week. Bye, guys. See ya. We'll be right back. Thank you.