The Prepper Broadcasting Network - Matter of Facts: Bad Girls and Boys Want Their Rights Too

Episode Date: December 22, 2025

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Welcome back to the Matterfax podcast on the Prepar Broadcasting Network. We talk prepping guns and politics every week on iTunes, Stitcher, and Spotify. Go check out our content at MOFpodcast.com on Facebook or Instagram. You can support us via Patreon or by checking out our affiliate partners. I'm your host Phil Ravley, Andrew and Nick are on the other side of the mic, and here's your show. Welcome back to Matter of Facts podcast. My name's Phil and Nick's digging something out of his hand. Not anymore.

I put the knife down. Okay. Thank you. I still contend a really, really strong magnet would fix that problem. Not with 304 stainless. Oh, well, that's your problem for messing around with a non-farris metal. Yeah. All right.

I see Dr. Scary guy in the comments. You're not here. No, but not. well, you're doing a good job of not being there, I guess. Anyway, admin work, little topic, and then other topic. They're probably both going to be little topics at the end of the day, because unfortunately, when it comes to a lot of these things, Nick and I kind of don't fight about it because we agree on most of these things.

So that just tends to happen. Well, we oops. We didn't get a competitive co-host. I mean. You could try to be Doe's Advocate, but it's going to be a stretch for you on this topic. Yeah. Except for maybe one movie. Oh, I was talking about the other topic.

Oh, that one. Oh, I can play Dover's Advocate on that one. But it's going to be a bit of a reach. We'll see. We'll see. Anyway, admin work. If you are not already a patron, you can become a patron for a dollar month. You can support malfeasance, bad behavior, bad financial decisions.

and this awful, unprofessional little podcast that some people find moderately amusing. And you can also participate in the MOF Secret Santa, which for almost everyone I'm aware of, I think everybody's pretty much got their stuff in the mailbox by now, except I know one person who's been very, very delinquent on getting their present purchased and mailed. And I'm not going to call them out. I'm just going to say that if you're watching this and your patron and you don't have a present on Christmas Day, I apologize, and I will personally, individually ream that person out. Although travel distances may be a factor. Well, hmm.

Nah, no excuses. Nope. Anyway, I've been told I should do capitalism harder. So code M-O-F at Disaster Coffee. Nick, I'm proud of you. You used the promo. I remembered the code, and my wife didn't have to tell me what it was. Yes. So I do capitalism awfully. And because I have my email address built into the notification system for disaster coffee, when you place an order, I get a little notification that says so-and-so ordered stuff.

And if you don't use the MOF promo code, I find out about that too. And usually I harassed the person who didn't use the promo code. I don't know if that's a perk or a flaw in the system that you get individually harassed from a company owner about why didn't you save money on? your order but it's just the way things are going to be it's like dealing with rebel we can't get him to let us throw money at him uh jo says weather sucks here you guys are in and out fortunately you can watch this on youtube or rumble or facebook later and hopefully we'll be all the way in hopefully my internet is probably maybe crap too we're also having some wild weather it was 47 degrees today and it will be like negative five when i go to work in the morning. That's just

out of line. No, it's just Midwestern winter. You know, we're having like, you can either call it first spring or third fall. That usually happens sometime between, sometime between like our first foot of snow and Christmas. It's, what you're going to do?

Mountain survival says, listening while training in the mountains. So now you have to be, now without ruining OPSEC, you have to tell us what kind of training you're doing because I'm curious and because I can't train in the mountains without driving for like five hours yeah I have to drive even farther Joe just came in from a driveway break job I feel your pain I spent last weekend doing a drive for driveway front end rebuild

and I can tell you that these bruises are mostly healed at this point and um and um my back has mostly stopped hurting well I'm glad your back's not hurting fireless no tent just sleep system you're in for a cold

evening sir unless he has a really really good sleep system I've had some pretty good sleep systems and the wind in the ground just suck that heat out of you yeah

Yeah, there is that. But at least you're on the ground because my wife gets get hammocks because usually we don't have a problem with staying warm, intense. We have a problem with school. But the first time I slept on a hammock overnight, it was an adjustment because I totally did not, was not prepared for how fast I got cold in the evening. Oh, absolutely. There's a reason why you see a lot of those guys packing full, like, down comforter quilts

for on the bottom of them, not above. Yeah. It's amazing what that airflow does to you. Yeah. All right. Last but not least, if you like shirts, if you like merch, you should go check out the Southern Gals.

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and investigates what was probably a burglary. We're going to find out, and Mike will probably pick up any gunshots. Check out the gear over at Southern Gal's Crafts. They've got some pretty sweet shirts. I was trying to guilt them into doing hats. Don't know where that ended up. Phil has not committed a murder based on the lack of gunshots. Phil, have you had to commit a murder? No. My wife and daughter just got home. They were out and the door apparently got away from one of them and slammed extremely hard. But that's not how it sounded through these. It sounded like somebody like

cop knocking on the door. It did. So I was kind of like who's beaten on my door at 7.30 at night? What's the problem here? Yeah, that's never a good knock. Yeah, but it wasn't that. It was wife and daughter coming home.

Good. All's right in the world. Anyway, Merchant Southern Gouse, links in the show description. Sure, it's cool. cute even there is a what would bert do shirt if you don't know who if you don't know who bird is your childhood was awful and i'm sorry fix it and then blame your parents oh definitely blame your parents send them to me and i will instruct them in the ways of proper parenting

or if you're a reasonably cool like 30 to 45 year old you can just like come over and i'll adopt you for an afternoon we'll cover all of the movies you should have seen this child You can't do that in one afternoon. The Mad Max series alone would take most of it. We'll fast forward through them. And we're going to skip Beyond Thunderdome. No, you cannot skip beyond Thunderdome. We are skipping Beyond Thunderdome.

We've had this discussion. It is my least favorite Mad Max film. Least favorite. That's an unacceptable opinion. And we're going to completely ignore Furiosa and act like that thing. ever happened. I actually liked Furiosa. I liked it. It was what I wanted out of that movie. Just good, good clean fun. Yeah, just, just irreverent car flipping and stupid stunts and well overbuilt vehicles. That's what I want out of Mad Max at this point. It's like it's like being mad at

physics not being right in the fast and the furious movies anymore. Look, next time they're going to be in space, and somebody's going to get superpowers. And it'll be fine and we'll all be okay with it because the movies are not to be taken seriously. Yeah. The only weird part about Fast and Furious since you brought that series of movies up is that you have to bear in mind

that this started out as kind of a... This started out. The first two to three movies were really based heavily around a subculture that has a very, very, very, very, very, very enthusiastic following. Oh, yeah. And so the first two, arguably three films, there were people who were like, that's cool. Because even though it's a little outlandish, it's about racing cars in that subculture and then drifting in that subculture.

And then it turned into a spy, a spy versus spy thing. And a lot of people who were originally on the ride were like, I went off the ride. This is no longer cool. The ride is fantastic. It is wildly unreasonable. Yes, they have made too many of them. I will not stop watching. I stopped watching, I stopped watching when they turned into heist films.

So a while ago. Anyway, on to an argument, not an argument you and I are going to have, but an argument that I have with my wife every single year when we have to talk about what to watch around Christmas time. Because every single year, we have the conversation about what is and is not technically a Christmas movie. Okay. Okay. Now, what's, what's the one that starts this argument? I think I have one in mind. Oh, it's always die hard. It is okay, but you don't get more Christmas movie than die hard. Okay. It is a man forced to travel across the country to go to a holiday party that he doesn't want to be at and then gets dragged into a bunch of bullshit. Yes. I, if you're looking for an argument with me, you're not going to get one because I'm on your side of this. But my, I don't allow my wife. to open Christmas presents until we've watched Die Hard. I haven't figured out the secret sauce to winning that argument.

I continue to lose the argument that Die Hard is definitely a Christmas movie. I've got her convinced. Say she admits it, even in the comments here. She cannot open Christmas gifts until she watches Die Hard. Hans Gruber must fall from Nakatomi Plaza or we can't have Christmas. Rachel, you and my wife need to hang out more. They do. Just putting it out there.

I just must be better at brainwashing than you are. Possibly. Then again, Rachel's not Italian, is she? No, no, not Italian. That can be part of the difference. Sicilian ladies are definitely more hard-headed the most. Any man in these comments that is married to a Sicilian or Italian lady has got to back me up on this. They are a special breed.

They do not back down. They have never... You just have to be more stubborn than your wife. That's the key. Well, you know, I thought I was on a pretty good track until we started arguing over what was and was not a Christmas movie. I might have made my match. Uh-oh. Anyway, so yes, die hard is definitely a Christmas movie.

I mean, obviously, Gremlins is two. Gremlins is a Christmas movie. How can it not be? It is set during Christmas. It is. In a mall. In a mall. But or was that number two?

No, no, no, no. No, number one was in the mall. Number one was in the mall. It was full of Christmas presents and stuff. Yep. Yes. And I got two more. Bought the Gremlin for a Christmas gift, if I remember, right? Oh, was it?

I haven't seen Gremlin. I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure it was a last-minute Christmas gift. And he didn't really pay attention to the old Chinese men that sold it to him. Yeah, I'm sure there's a life lesson there about buying strange things from people without reading the disclaimer. Look, buying strange things out of the back of a car at two in the morning in the Cabela's parking lot is how I got my folder AK back in the day. Yeah. It was entirely legitimate, I'm sure.

It didn't have the serial number scratched off of it, right? It had a serial number. Look, I'm not required to do that level of due diligence. it wasn't at that time may or may not have been imported to the country through shady means after being in a conflict zone it was not full auto and it had a serial number okay then we will assume it was on the up and up I I did all right let I got two more lethal weapon yes also a Christmas movie also a Christmas movie takes place during Christmas they have a fight in the middle of like a nativity

seen at one point i know i know nick like i don't i don't know how anyone makes this this frivolous argument that these are not christmas movies and doesn't rigs safe his partner's family on christmas eve or it's near about there but don't because the family gets taken hostage by the terrorists at one point yes that definitely happens i've got one more and it's a wild card okay so you know that i am a former weeb. Gundam Endless Waltz. Think about it.

Rattle a little around in your noggin for a second. I'd have to watch it again. It's been at least 10 years. It takes place on Christmas Eve. It does take place on Christmas Eve. Because like everyone is on holiday.

The minuscule Earth Defense Force has basically stood down because it's the holidays because it's Christmas and that's when they attack yeah yeah and they do save yeah it's as much of a Christmas movie as Kiss save Santa yep and for anybody that's into Japanese animation and giant robots like Gundam endless waltz to me it it seems a little sacrilegious to recommend that anybody watch it before you watch Gundam wing like the whole series because it kind of caps off that series like here's the thing

here's the thing about endless waltz it's a quality standalone film you can watch it by itself as a standalone and you're gonna miss out on a lot of the world building the character building and the arcs and all that but it does stand on its own fairly well it does but if you watch it at the end of gunless waltz

the series then it's cherry on top the cake nice so yeah that's my list and they are all christmas movies all of them i'll never win that argument with my wife but they are well you don't have to win the argument with your wife because you're correct it's not an argument she's just wrong mountain survival one saying the iron giant it is a christmas it is a christmas movie i totally overlooked that one hmm what was how shoot there was another one that popped into my head just now i lost it

hold on there were there were there were a couple you texted me and i knew we were gonna forget them if we didn't write them down i think i left my phone upstairs otherwise i would look at what i texted you damn it nick i know i only had a half a cup of coffee before we started this show probably should have went with the full cup of coffee huh i don't know you you think and i'll God I had a good one too I don't know if I texted it to you Oh that that was it

Joe First Blood Part 1 Rambo First Blood Part 1 Oh that is a Christmas movie Takes place during Christmas They have a gunfight amidst a bunch of Christmas decorations Yes Thank you Joe

You got me I know what one That was the one I did not text you Okay there was another one you mentioned Violent Night was it Oh, Violent Night, that's explicitly a Christmas movie because Santa saves a family from terrorists. I just found it. Santa saves a family from terrorists?

Yeah, Violent Night. Is it Slapstick Schlotsky or is it like kind of played serious? No, it's played serious. So do you know, St. Nicholas was a Scandinavian? As serious as Santa saving a family from terrorists can be. With a sludge hammer. Yeah. Okay.

Just at one point. he takes off his jacket and he is just jacked and loaded with Scandinavian tattoo artwork like Viking style artwork and the backstory of him in this and somewhat in reality St. Nicholas

was a Scandinavian and I don't know how accurate it is but I've heard a couple different people mentioned that he may or may not have been involved in rating I'll allow it before he Before he became a Christian and revised everything.

Well, in this movie, that is the historical accurate portrayal of St. Nicholas. He was a Viking and he killed lots and lots of people. And he became a Christian and tried to clean up his act. Yeah, clean up his act and try to do good for the world. Well, this little girl asks Santa over her toy radio to save her family. and he just goes absolutely ham beating these beating these terrorists to death of the sledgehammer it's fantastic I might have to add that to my list because that sounds

amazing it's great it's it's it's everything you want from a from an elderly man with a beard beating people with a sledgehammer it sounds like Sisu in a in a Santa suit did you watch that movie I don't think I have you should it is okay so yeah so it's um oh is it i want to say it's uh set in finland very end of world war two as the as the nazis are evacuating oh sure and um apparently yeah this just haggard ratchet old man is like he's um mining on he's mining in his little mine you know mining plot

finds this huge nugget of gold well the nazis try to take it from him and kill him Not realizing that he is a former commando and he proceeds to just buzz saw through every freaking Nazi from where he stands to the border. That's awesome. It is like a, it is like, I swear to God, it's like Robert Rodriguez just directed this whole thing start to finish. It's like a one man inglorious bastards in Finland. That's fantastic. It is ridiculous. There's a sequel that I haven't seen yet, but the original was amazing.

it's it's ridiculous it's hilarious it's ridiculous we got we got some good ones in the comments here yeah oh yeah joe had that one yeah uh ragel the star wars christmas special if you have a physical or digital copy of that i will pay good money for that because george lucas wants that to never see the light of day again he tried to destroy all the copies some do exist i've been trying to find one for a long time. I don't think I've to cede as wide as possible. I don't think I've ever even heard of this. Oh, it was, it was bad.

It was epically bad. It was so bad that George Lucas attempted to buy all of the copies that were made and destroy them. Interesting. Now I'm, now I'm even more intrigued. Yes, Joe, we did get first blood. That's who reminded me of it.

Okay. back to the future did that take place during Christmas Mounts watch it again Mountain survival you're going to have to remind us because I'm not I'm not seeing the connection but it's been a hot minute

I know it took place in winter I don't remember if it was near while it's Christmas I don't recall that part Invasion USA Haven't seen that one Drawing a total blank on this one Trading Places This is probably

The girls did meet on a Christmas trip Didn't they? This is probably the kind of cutesy thing my wife would actually like green light me watching and I would it would make me die a little inside Violent Night is a good movie Rachel please tell your friend over here in Louisiana and we will add that to the Christmas list. I don't know which one Raggle is referencing if it was trading places or the Star Wars Christmas special because there is at the very least wookie sex in the Star Wars Christmas special. Christmas special. I don't know if that's considered nudity or not. I have so many more questions than I started with. I have to have a copy of that

so I can make digital copies and spread it throughout the internet to ruin George Lucas's destruction of it. Invasion USA, Chuck Norris, the mall he drives through his Christmas decorations. Okay. I'll allow it. Okay. Yes. If Christmas decorations are up in the movie, it's basically a Christmas movie.

Unfortunately, Blues Brothers doesn't make the list. There was no Christmas decorations up in the mall. The other one you mentioned in the text, and you forgot about it, Home Alone. Oh, yeah. Well, of course, that's a Christmas movie. Yeah. Yeah. Raggle, frag, I would say, no, trading places.

Yeah, I do, I don't know. I haven't watched that since I was. I have no idea when the last time I watched that was. Not often. But yeah, home alone's a good one. I mean, it teaches a very important life lesson of don't tell people when you're going out of town so they know to rob your house. It also teaches multiple methods of hardening your home. I mean, you know, not quite on the level of like talking to your quiet Vietnamese neighbor about how to make pungy sticks and everything.

But, you know, approaching that. Look, if you put slippery things on stairs and people don't know they're there, Oops. I mean, I don't know if I would go, if I would put a grill starter on my door handle because my front door is made of wood. Hmm. I could see that going badly. The blow torch attached to the door frame, though, is by far my favorite. That's pretty clever.

That would be, if I recall correctly, a felony booby trapping. What about? Most of those things are a felony. What about tarring and feathering? That's just good fun. Okay. We have come to a decision. It's a historical tradition.

Tarring and feathering is traditional and hilarious. It is so long as you're not the one being tarded and feathered. I don't expect to be the one tart and feather. I expect to be the one doing the tarring and feathering. Well, then it's fun. All right. On to topic. Now, I was cruising the internets, and it just happened across.

Jellyroll, of all people, on the Joe Brogan experience, talking about how he's trying to get his gun rights restored. now in the name of full disclosure jelly roll is a convicted felon and he is currently trying to go down that narrow little path to redemption to get his gun rights restored which i told nick i'm like i feel like this could be something we could chop up a little bit because i feel like amongst our audience there's probably not going to be a whole lot of diversity and thought but amongst like the gun community there is a lot of diversity and thought about this subject There is. Less so with the younger crowd than... Define younger. Generally, the only people I seeing, and this is obviously a very limited anecdotal experience, all the caveats, the people that I see defending felons being entirely restricted from having their gun rights restored are people that I would say are. over 60 currently now that's not to say everybody over 60 thinks that way but i don't see anyone in like i would say my age class plus minus 10 years in the gun community saying that felons shouldn't have the right to firearms in fact most of them hold an opinion that i think you share

phil that if these people are safe to release from prison and be among the general population why can they not own a weapon? Yeah, and I mean, you've released them from prison. And, you know, I know that that opinion sounds kind of flippant, but that kind of is the crux of my argument. It's like, so it is worth pointing out that, like, I have my opinions about the things we criminalize in this country and about some of the penalties levied based on what I consider to be pretty superficial offenses, but all that being what it is,

I look at things very simply in terms of if you the state are alleging that this person is so dangerous that we have to lock them up like an animal for a period of time. And I'm not saying they don't because there's some people out. They're doing really dumb stuff. They don't need to be amongst these people. True. But then you let them out.

And I assume if you're letting them out, it's not because you ran out of room in prison, even though that tends to be what happened. That's usually why they get let out. Well, at least in my state, a lot of them are let out for that reason. Yeah. Well, I think that's pretty stupid reason to let violent, dangerous people out of prison. But that's just me thinking out loud.

But I tend to think that if you let a person out, you are making a de facto statement that this person is now safe to walk around the streets with my wife and my 13-year-old daughter. I mean, you're not. There's no prohibition to them owning a vehicle. Or a pressure cooker. a person with a car just as easily yeah i mean they're not barred from hardware stores yeah and let's call what it is like every major metro area is filled with felons that have ready access to firearms so like oh yeah here here's me in a nutshell if a law is not deterring bad behavior there's one of two problems two or is that three let's start with two there's one of

of two problems either a the penalty is nowhere near severe enough okay so i i take speeding as the perfect example why do most people speed because they don't think they'll get caught okay they do it's not that big of a deal so three problems a there's a lack of consequences b there's a generalized opinion that the offense is not a severe offense this is like sure something we've talked about in the past where we talk about there's a legal precedent there's a legal principle called Mala prohibitay and Mala insay, meaning this is bad because I say it's bad and this is bad because it's like more obviously morally bad. Right.

You know, like murdering a person is Mala insay. Universally preferable behavior. Yeah. Mala insay means this is obviously bad. It is inherently bad. It's an evil act. Mala prohibita is like speeding because most people say, I mean, I'm only going five over. What's a big deal?

So there's three problems. There's three reasons why people speed a lot. They don't think they're going to get caught. If they do get caught, they're not apologetic for it. And if they get caught, they basically, I mean, I've literally told people before, am I getting a speeding ticket as I pay in your road tax? Today was your day to pay the road tax? Tomorrow's going to be somebody else's.

Like, that's just, that's the cost of driving as you get Nick for speeding every now and them. But here's the thing, Nick. What would we have to change to make people stop speeding? We got three, you would, we got three legs on this stool. Well, you would definitely have to increase the penalty and you would have to increase the likelihood of getting caught. So if we take, if we, if we make the penalty for speeding death, do you think that would have as extreme of an example as it is? Do you think that would have a marked, a marked effect on people's behavior?

Because like one mile or hour over is like the little, the little dude with the glasses and the general's outfit, the mean that says, you know, straight to prison, straight to prison, put to death. It would probably eliminate some of the people, yeah. Okay. If we could somehow convince the population that speeding was an inherently evil act. Sure. Or if we put a cop on every single street corner so that you can't put a toe over the line without getting caught, change one of those three things and the behavior will stop. So when I look at...

Well, it will at least change a percentage of it. Yes. You're never going to make the percentage go to zero. right but you you change one of those three things and you change the behavior of the the populace now it changes the calculus that goes on in a person said yeah so when i look at people that commit violent crimes and you release them from prison you're telling me that they're safe to be in public now and if they're not then you shouldn't freaking release them you should keep their butt in jail i don't believe in rehabilitation by the way

like the recidivism rate kind of is on my side of that argument yeah and i think part of the issue with behind the recidivism rate is the reduction in civil liberties and the reduction in hiring abilities because there's actually quite a few industries where if you do anything with the federal government i don't know about anything but most things with the federal government you're not allowed to hire felons um if you do anything contracting for the federal government any felonies is off the table yeah i mean um i probably can't hire anyone with a felony at work because we occasionally work on stuff that is i tar controlled yeah and the the problem because some of it is government work yeah and it's not just government i mean it's it's federal

government state governments law enforcement like anything where you have to background check your employees you foul shall not hire a felon period in discussion because you will not get that and it's even more than that um i'm sure you're familiar with the twick to a t wic twig card right like if you want to go work at if you want to go work at like an oil refinery or oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah the id card system very common down here good luck trying to get one with a felony on your record oh yeah you're just straight not getting one i'm not saying impossible i am saying good luck you'd have you'd have better chance getting your your firearms rights restored than you would have of getting one of those federal ID cards for secure

access. Yeah. And that's all where we're still in the realm of like government being involved in this. Even large private companies like Walmart, Amazon are going to be hesitant to allow you into their secure facilities where they badge people in and out if you have a mark history. Like I'm not saying that's right or wrong. I'm just saying that's the way it is. yeah and and part of that is i think insurance companies oh insurance companies because they're seen as a higher risk yeah and i mean it's hard to argue against that and and realistically if a company is is talking to their insurance broker and they're like well if you hire these people your insurance rates go up they're just going to favor applicants that do not have that so while there's

no strict prohibition against employing someone with the felony record, they're not going to because it would be cripplingly expensive when their insurance rates double. Yeah. So like you said, I mean, that's that is the way I view a lot of that situation is that if we're going to allow a person out of prison, you got to, you got to certify to me and to the general public, that person is safe to be amongst the public. And if they're, if they're safe to walk the streets with women and kids, then I have to ask the question as a thinking person like what is our justification for creating this two-tiered system where these people they have some rights but not all the rights they can't vote the can own firearms they have this thing

hanging over the head that makes employment almost impossible to ever get back into the middle class and i'm not saying right or wrong i'm just saying why are they out of prison if they're so dangerous we have to preclude them from all these other things sentencing guidelines largely not an argument to me oh no i'm just saying the practical the practicality behind it is that there are maximum and minimum sentences for various crimes and regardless of if the person should still be in prison because they are a danger to the public the maximum sentence has been decided and the judge cannot keep them any longer than that yeah and when did all this start, Nick.

1960s, I'm guessing? 1968, gun control act. We should get rid of that, just like the whole thing. Yeah, like, you know, 68 gun control act, NFA, Hughes Amendment. Yeah, I know. We're right back where we started with bitching about gun laws. But the truth of the matter is, is like, you know, so let's unpack this for a second. Prior to 1968, you could legally have a firearm shipped to your home address.

blind with no signature with no background check with no transfers nothing just ship me a gun matter of fact I didn't do machine guns I believe at that point too I was about say at that point you could

legally have a machine you could literally have a Tommy gun or an M16 ship to your front doorstep and it's it's weird to talk about this in this guys when we talk about like historical events and we compare it to today in 2025 where Like, in order for me, an upstanding taxpaying combat veteran with a squeaky clean background town check who can walk into government facilities and who used to work at international airports, I'm not bragging. I'm just saying that.

Like, I have a background. It's the reality of the situation. I have a background that is sterile because of the jobs I've held, the things I've done, I had to be on the straight and narrow at all times. in my current job, if I get too much into arrears and federal taxes, I can have my access pulled. Yeah, and that makes sense. It makes total sense when you think about the millions of dollars that traverse my office every day. Oh, yeah. But it really just comes down to you like in 2025, in order for me to go purchase a firearm,

I have to go to my local gun shop, fill out paperwork, and ask the FBI for permission to do that. But in 1967, I could open up a CIRSTC, I could open up a catalog and have a frigate tank rifle mailed to my front door. And it makes no sense to me on earth how we got from A to B except that somebody in 1968 got enough votes together and scared the hell out of people and convince them this was a great idea. Well, the Black Panthers were the cause behind that. Racism was the cause behind the gun control act of 1968. How inconvenient to bring that back up. How many people do you think we have to get screaming gun control is racist before they'll actually start overturning those laws? Oh, they absolutely won't.

They just won't because it's not convenient to their narrative. They'll just disregard the argument entirely. Outstanding. But anyway. It's the same thing like they did with Ben Carson when he was running for office. they called him the black face of white supremacy i do remember that now a a doctor a highly intelligent if i recall correctly neurosurgeon neurosurgeon who grew up in public housing single mother worked two jobs to put him the greatest of success stories yeah black face of white

supremacy because he did something good with his life how dare he how dare he how dare he But yeah, the GCA is the reason why felons can't have guns. That in just generational idioms and stupidity, I guess, at this point. Because, like, every time I ask a real serious question about why, I don't feel like I'm getting many good answers. Because California Republicans got scared by the Black Panthers protesting in California, and Ronald Reagan passed some of the first gun control. acts in California as governor. Yes, Ronald Reagan is to blame for a lot of things. You know, I told to my high recently, I was having this conversation, and they were on a

hate parade about Republicans. And I was like, the funny part of this is that you hate, you know, you hate Donald Trump and you hate George H.W. Bush and George Bush and Ronald Reagan, you hate all those people because of Republicans. And I dislike all of them strongly for completely different. reasons. Yeah. I don't know.

I look at every politician as they're just waiting in the wings for an opportunity to screws out of a few more of our rights. Oh, they absolutely are. Because the only people that go into high political office are people that are looking for power. And the only way they get more power is by taking it away from the people. Raggle-fraggle saying, I thought the guy running for California governor got that title. Larry Elder. Larry. Yeah, he did as well. Pretty much any time an educated black individual runs for public office and they're not on the DNC's side, they call them the black, a black face of white supremacy or Uncle Tom or a number of other pejoratives that seem wildly inappropriate.

That's because they are wildly inappropriate, Nick. Yeah. You know, I don't know. What can you do? Democrats hate anyone that don't agree with them. that's their platform you they are for good thing therefore you are bad thing it doesn't matter who you are what good you've done how successful you are where you came from you could be their perfect target demographic but the second you dissent from them you are evil that sounds like marxism nick well that's because it is uh that's because it's it's social collectivism and and post modern theory where you know they're allowed to lie so long as

it gains them power, because morality is irrelevant. Thanks for reminding me of a welcome. That's why you can't trust them. So why don't felons ever get their guns back? Or will they?

They should. Well, I brought this up to Nick's attention. This article is from May of last year. Nonviolent felons can own firearms after release from prison appeals court rules. The ninth mother effing Circuit ruled this, which surprised me.

But it was because California got extra dumb. California did get extra dumb. But I just have to read this. Our own analysis of the Second Amendment's publicly understood meeting also confirms that the right to keep and bear arms was every citizen's fundamental right. The majority opinion read, because Duarte is an American citizen, he is part of the people whom the Second Amendment. Amendment protects. Now, do it with assault weapons.

Do it with machine guns, do it with 50 cows, do it with glocks with auto-glox with switches. Just do it everywhere. But the point is, I mean, they kind of just rephrase the Second Amendment there. They kind of just affirms the right

to keep and bear arms for every citizen. Yeah, because is it an arm that you can bear? is person A an American citizen then they are part of the people to whom the Second Amendment protects

to have rights. Now, I could see an argument I could see an argument that felons are not full citizens and that's the argument that they're going to make that felons are not full citizens because they cannot vote because they are felons.

I think that argument is deeply flawed and on its basis is false. they are still citizens they're they're just attempting to make them into second class citizens which is unacceptable yeah i just and see steward and i have argued this back and forth on numerous occasions and steward if you're listening like i i you frustrate the crap enemy sometimes but i really do enjoy when you argue with me because i need that occasionally well he makes our arguments better by forcing us to think yes that's really that's the fantastic

thing about him. He's a wildly intelligent individual. Yes, and he was raised by two lawyers. And it's very obvious. Oh, yeah. It's literally the worst. Yes. And okay, so have you ever met a person that will argue over the minutia of a

word that was used just to be a pedantic bastard? Oh, yeah. Stuart's not a pedantic bastard, but he grew up in a household where words have legal meanings and are codified. And because of that, you have to say exactly precisely what you mean or he's going to call you for it and define your terms

in exacting detail yes so there might have been once or twice i wanted to eat my phone across the road but for the most part you know he's he's not wrong like dude i fired off a comment while pooping at work and this was not meant to be a dissertation yes but but but you fired off a comment while pooping at work. So that's what you kind of thought. It's Stuart Reddit. The problem was Stuart Reddit. Yeah.

But like I was saying, so this is one of the things where like when I say I'm a Second Amendment absolutist. Nick, you understand what I'm saying. Absolutely. You understand what I'm saying. Morgan understands what I'm saying. Raggle fraggle. Everyone in the chat, Joe, everybody understands what I say when I mean. I am a Second Amendment absolutist.

Everyone except Stewart. Because Stewart says absolute must be absolute. and you don't really mean absolute, Phil, because this, this, this, this, and this. And it drives me bananas. Because he... I think it's a fair point, though. It's a point that needs to be brought up.

Okay, but just give me this rope for a second. It's not knowing me and knowing that I have a creative penchant for finding modern solutions to modern problems. When I say Second Amendment absolutist, I am not above taking violent felons, putting them on an island and giving them all the guns they want and just letting nature take its course you mean basically haiti currently well i was actually referring to escape from new

work but oh or um was it fortress or the island the island yeah with ray leota you could do you could do the island yeah point remain i mean if there are people that are not safe to have among regular society then they must be removed permanently from society yes and they can have all the guns they and they can eat each other to death. I don't care. Let nature take its course. Violent people do violence to each other. Way over there, way from everybody else.

Anyway. Right. I mean, that's what we used to do until we ran out of room to stick them places. Look at Australia and how that turned out. No, God almighty, they're still acting like a penal colony to this day. Yeah, they're the most developed country that imposed actual concentration camps during the COVID pandemic. I was referring. Good job, Australia.

I was referring to the fact that their government acts like wardens and jailers towards their own people. But anyway, that too. So, yes, Stewart's argument is that if I say second amendment of absolutist, then a person still has their gun rights when they're in prison. Okay. I give you, I give you that at that. It's maybe absolutes a bad word. But what I do mean is that if we're, if when we release a person from prison, I believe your rights should be restored.

And I think that if, if the public outcry, is this person is not safe to have their guns and their voting rights and the other side and the other than that public outcry is you have to keep that person in jail. Now, I say that in the same breath that I say, I don't think the government's really listening to the people very well right now. They can't. They can't hear them over the sound of all those lobbyists dollars flying through the window. Thank you, Nick. Well, it's just a realistic situation. I change. Until you get lobbying out of politics, you're never going to get popular support swaying any kind of illegal anything i changed your tagline from

disappointed or phil to santa's little helper for this i'm earning my tagline back yes i'll change you back next next time but in any case on the back of all this discussion about the gun control act and all the federal restrictions on felons getting their you know being able to exercise their second member rights there's also 39 states that have an extra layer of bull crap precluding felons from getting guns just in case the federal government reverses their position well it is one of them easy to get a state legislature ooh i'm pretty sure mine is too we actually are also i think one of the few states that have a you know you've got your federal firearms license right so you can trade guns in any state right except illinois not illinois you have to

have an Illinois firearms dealer's license now, too. Nick, I don't need any more reasons to not like your state. No offense. I need more. You need more? Yep. I want this place. I want to see this place an empty desert.

I want to see no one living here because it's such a terrible place to be because of all the stupidity coming out of Chicago and Springfield. Because maybe then it will wake people up to what these stupid policies actually accomplish i keep hoping for the same thing but then we keep finding a new lower limit well you know we'll find out i'm convinced that priskirts do for a federal indictment on some level of corruption charge it's coming i mean phil i sent you i sent you that article a while back or that that youtube video so an average of one illinois politician a week over the last hundred years has been indicted for corruption yes but the problem is who's waiting in the wings behind

pritzker uh well let's see madigan's in jail or on his way to jail so i'm not sure the answer is probably another chicago politician another equally scummy chicago policy look it's like it's like when people run for to be a politician in new orleans it ain't like it's good to get any better this is accurate i was here first you all need to get the fuck out of my town and off my god damn road i'll allow it i'm telling you my my my ultimate goal is to smooth talk rachel into moving out of illinois to someplace that me and gillian can also tolerate because i know that if i if i get her i got this i got this game in motion yeah it'd be pretty easy and then i will build a machine shop wherever I go

and I will make nifty things that Phil can play with. So I run the business the front office and the product testing in other words. Sure. I like that. As long as I get to play with my CNC machines, I don't care. I mean, I might play with my machines. I might also

want to learn play with the machines. It's really not that difficult. It's, well, okay, doing it well, doing it well, and doing it consistently is the difficult part. Getting it to do the go, very easy. This sounds like my argument about roasting coffee, where I'm like, roasting a single batch of coffee to a remotely drinkable, you know, level, that's easy. Roasting a hundred pounds of coffee so that every bean is exactly like the others, that's tricky.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. And you could probably pretty easily learn CNC. It's, it's not that. It's not that complicated. The difficulty is in the variety of materials and cutting conditions. so that you can anticipate what the things are going to do. That's where the art of it comes in.

It's fair. All right. And now here's where I have no direct experience, but a little bit of secondhand experience. The path forward to having your gun rights restored is a felon. It's a difficult one. And expensive. And expensive.

I actually have some family members who, non-violent felons, thankfully, but they have a felony on the record. and they are like actively in the process here in Louisiana of trying to get their gun rights restored at least at the state level sure and it is it has been a years long process and it will I've heard five to 10 I think what I heard was seven but I could be totally just so I'm not far off with with that well but back to the back to the tagline that I deleted like 39 states have an individual state prohibition which means that there's 39 different versions of how to have your gun rights stored at the state level. What jelly roll is going through right now is that he has actually had his, so he has had his gun rights stored at the state level in Tennessee, but in order to have his gun rights restored at the federal level,

he has to get a pardon from the president. Now, he's high profile enough, has enough money, has enough notoriety. He might actually be able to pull that. given how much Trump loves to see his own name on things yeah but my gripe is that for like for the average Joe for the you and me like not gonna happen and that's that's a lot of my frustration with this whole discussion about felons not having their gun rights restored is that like i can't i can't in my mind justify why people be released from prison if they're still violent and they're still a danger

if they're not violent in a dangerous society, I can't justify them not getting their gun rights back just out of hand. Like, the day your sneakers touch free pavement, you're good. And if we can't tolerate that as a society, I can't figure out why this process takes seven to ten years it costs tens of thousands of dollars

for something that the average person just takes for granted. Well, I see the argument I hear, hear from people is that in committing whatever offense, you made the, you made the affirmative choice that if you get caught and get convicted, that you lose these rights. And that is the argument that I have heard from the older gun crowd about it. So they made the affirmative choice to risk those rights. Are you familiar with, it's a you reap what you sell argument? Are you familiar with the libertarian argument that the average person commits like three felonies and God knows how many misdemeanors over the course of their life and doesn't even realize it.

Oh, gosh, yes. I'm sure that I'm sure that in my state alone, the average person commits a felony a month based on how Illinois classifies things. And also, because not to throw shade of my father, because that's not the point, but my dad and I have had this debate very, very spiritedly. respectfully I love my father I respect the hell I have them but very spiritedly we've had this debate and his two primary points from what I recall A was that like we don't want the wrong people to have firearms to which I pointed out sure I'm like yeah but turn on the six o'clock news the wrong people who got guns every damn day so it's not like they're difficult to make or import or just steal I mean that's what happens with most of them they get stolen out of cars it gets stolen out of houses, they get sold on the black market. I mean, like, stolen out of gun shops.

Yeah. Heck, you see it every once in a while around Chicago. They ram a van through the front door of the gun shop, go in with power tools, cut through all the cables and all the locks, and just walk out with truckloads of firearm. Yep. Happens all the time. Not all the time, but it happens fairly regularly.

It happens often enough that it's not out of pocket, but that was kind of my first assailment was the wrong people have guns already. So this isn't, this isn't stopping any of that. It's not slowing it down much. And if you're a felon and you've lost your official gun rights already, why shouldn't you just break the law more to have them? You're already in the shittest position other than being in prison. You no longer have a downside other than additional prison time.

Yeah. And the other thing, I'm trying to remember exactly how. how this was phrased because I don't want to mischaracterize him. Maybe we should get him on. I have actually asked my father multiple times over the last nine years. He has politely declined multiple times. He's, which is fair.

He's a very private person. And I don't think he ever wants to put like, I think he would be deeply uncomfortable doing what I do on the internet every day where there's like all this back history that anyone can ever. look up and say, oh, Phil thinks things that are out of pocket, which I understand. The interesting, me and him is I don't have a real firm appreciation for consequences, apparently, because I'm just like, I believe what I believe, sue me. Yeah, you know, I believe what I believe.

Those beliefs may evolve throughout time. Congratulations, I'm a thinking being. Yeah. Anyway, I don't recall exactly what the other argument was. It'll come to me five seconds after we hang up. I know it'll come to me. But my dad and I, we debated this upward side down the next. And at the end of the day, I just keep coming back around to that basic premise of

if a person's safe enough to be in society with walked up and down the street with my wife and daughter, then why are we creating a two-tiered society where people are not allowed to act, to have the basic rights and protections under the law that people do? To me, I look at it in the same vein as like, is there any other right we would preclude from this person? Like, do you no longer, for the rest of your life, do you lose your Fifth Amendment right, your Sixth Amendment right? Do you lose your right to be, you know, to be securing your person against unlawful search and seizure? Do you lose your right not to have military, not to have soldiers quartered in your home? Do you lose your right to protest the government because you were once a felon a long time ago?

There's no other right under the law that is stripped from you as enthusiastically and as totally as the Second Amendment because you're a felon. But this one thing, just like every other, just like every other time we have this argument about this one right seems to be the red-headed stepchild, this one thing can be taken away from these people so completely and totally with no path to ever have it brought back. to them and i just can't accept that no it's it strikes me as a moral wrong because look we've we've assigned a penalty for the crime that they have committed they have fulfilled that penalty and therefore they're i mean even in so phil i don't know how much um time you have spent observing like courtrooms and whatnot not a ton but a bit so there is a phrase you hear sometimes from judges um you no longer have any obligation to the state of blah blah blah whatever state it is when they release you like release you from person okay if you no longer have the obligation to the state

to repay the crime you have committed then why are you still getting the consequences longer have any obligation. Right, exactly. The consequences should be done. We've decided that this is the penalty. You have paid the penalty, whether it's financial, loss of time, loss of privileges for a certain amount of time, whatever. There needs to be an end date to that penalty. It cannot be a lifelong penalty. Unless you've done something so bad that we've decided that the ultimate penalty is the death penalty, well, I have a hard time with that because I don't trust the government to do their job correctly. And see, this is the other side of why I get squeamish about this subject.

Every time we have a discussion about how the state gets to decide who does and does not get to challenge their monopoly on violence. This sounds really similar to like the state investigated the state and determined that the state did no wrong. You know what I'm saying? It's like, I try to operate. So since you brought up morality a second ago, like went, Whenever I'm debating law or legal principles, I try really hard to veer away from morality as a standpoint, not because I don't believe that the law and morality should mostly agree with each other, but because to me, morality gets murky because you're talking about a subject that each individual person has their own definition of morality. I mean, there's large cultural cross sections that are common, but it's not universal, which is why I tend to go back to the idea. I tend to try to go back to base principles like if you are usurping a person's rights,

their rights to their personhood, their rights to their free agency. If you're taking away a person's property, all those things, then we've obviously committed a crime. Sure. And whenever... So the government is committing a crime against felons. Kind of the way I see it, honestly. I mean... They are. They're infringing on their civil liberties without due cause.

Yeah. And like I said, name me one other right that we restrict from felons for life. Name me one other right we restrict from like even, not even felons, but just for a misdemeanor crime. Name me one other right that people are trying to take away from these people for life. If a felon has a right to vote, if they have a right to own property, if they have a right to protest, if they have a right to protest, if they have a, if they have a, if they have all the rights we have except this one well i don't think they have the right to vote do that i'm pretty sure that's stripped but that's not a constitutional right i know illinois's trying to i know illinois is trying to bring back felon's right to vote in illinois election

but that's not a con but it's not a constitutional right this is a weird argument too because like you don't have a right under the constitution to vote the the ability to vote is a procedural is a procedural legal thing think about it where where where do we derive the right to vote for our elected officials it's not federal your your elections are handled at the state level that's true so it is your state that grants you not you have grants you the right to vote for your elected official and every state deals with elections their own way it's true so some of them stupider than others most varying degrees of stupid but the point remains not a not federal not a constitutional right nowhere within our nowhere within our bill

rights or our constitution there is mention made of how we should be able to elect or so or to select who our government will be but nothing as simple as voting nothing is codified interesting i suppose i've never really i've never really evaluated it from that perspective before because i know in my state felons at least i don't know about now but in the past we're not eligible i'd have to go back and look it up because honestly i've never been a felon that was one of uh that was one of pritzker's big tiffs about trump being on the illinois ballot they were trying to remove from the ballot because there's a felon and felons in illinois can't vote and they were arguing that if you can't vote you can't be on the ballot, but there is no provision in Illinois that says, if you can't vote,

you can't be on the ballot because we've had a number of mayors with felony, largely felony drug possession charges. Well, well, well. Yeah, it's real popular. Coke was real popular with the mayors for a while there. So I did lead into this telling you. that we probably were going to agree more than disagree. Yeah, yeah, and I think that's fair.

And I think that's because we both come at this from a similar perspective of the right to, the right to bear arms is not so much the right to firearms as it is the right to defending oneself and one's property and one's family. I agree. And that is the best tool for the job. currently so i don't disagree with any of that but to me the second amendment is something very different sure but i i think what it what it's derived from is that right to defending oneself from requirement in from anything anyone doesn't matter that's fair government included and that

to me that is the key though like i've i years ago and by the way for anybody that gives a damn MOFPodcast.com. There's actually a thing in there about articles. I wrote a bunch of them. I did a little bit of blogging here on there on the website. I actually might pick it back up eventually one day when I get a writing bug, which I do occasionally. But anyway, but I wrote an article forever ago that I'm pretty sure is still on the website. And I described the Second Amendment as a thinly veiled threat.

Oh, it absolutely is. So bearing in mind the historical content. of what led to the Second Amendment, you know, there was no worry about the common man being able to defend himself because at that, at this period in pre-revolutionary war colonial history,

literally every freaking household had a musket over the mantle. Like, at minimum one. Guns were not just common. They were ubiquitous. They were ubiquitous. I mean, you would hunt with them, you defend. And if you didn't have a gun,

you had a hunting knife, a tomahawk or a or all the above. yeah usually all of the above but the point remains is that fire you know the idea that like well we need to codify a person's right to have a gun in case someone tries to hurt their family that that was not on ben ben franklin and george washington's radar because that was like everybody's already got guns for that purpose the reason why they codify the second amendment was because the freaking british literally tried to take their cannons and their powder to strip them of the ability to protest and fight against a tyrannical government that is the reason for the second time amendment. It's not hunting. It's not defending yourself from Johnny B. Gangbanger down the street. It's not in case the Mexicans invade or the Chinese paratroop in your backyard. I'm not saying those things are out of pocket. I'm just saying that's not the purpose of it. The purpose of it is literally, if the government ever does crazy stuff, there's 300 and something million people and enough guns to arm the entire country three times over. You cannot suppress. If you

population with that level of armament it's not possible and that is what the second amendment is the second amendment is a panic button it is in case of glass break or in case of emergency break glass it is the it's a safety written by violent revolutionaries it is a reset button and the beautiful part of it is that you don't necessarily have to press the reset button to get the government to behave themselves you just have to have it well look at what country did didn't build concentration camps. During COVID. Look at which one did.

Countries. China. Yeah. China has had concentration camps for like the last 60 years. Yeah. I saw they were welding people's door shut during COVID and forced quarantines. They weld people's door shuts when it rains too much over there. They're always putting camps and concentration together.

It's just what they do. you have a communist government it's it's a collectivist totalitarian regime you as the individual are irrelevant as long as the collective survives and the collective doesn't have to include you this is all true this is the problem with collectivist ideologies there was a word i was searching for and i'm not finding it oh no to the scrabble board it's what happens when you're like the end always justifies the means it's not collectivist it's something else it's another is moral relativist i'll think of it as consequential i'll think of it it's consequentialist i'll think of it as soon as we hang up that's annoying i'm i'm pretty sure it's consens it's not that it's not reading about it doesn't matter anyway point remains

I think non-violent felons should definitely get their gun rights back upon release from prison. I think violent felons, there's probably a pretty good argument to be made that most of them should as well. And if your argument to me is that they're not safe to be in society, I might agree with you that then they shouldn't be in society. And if they're safe enough to be released in society, then let's drop them off outside the governor's mansion and see how fast the law has changed. And if prison isn't working, maybe we should evaluate why. Look, I continue to say over and over and over instead of just letting more people out because that's not solving the issue. I continue to tell people the minute these people who make these laws are not allowed to live behind their huge walls and their iron gates and their armed guards and they have to live in society with the rest of us poor bastards and be responsible for their own safety, the laws would change immediately. It's like the age old argument about the VA health system.

if every sitting member of Congress had to use the VA for their health care, that shit would get overhauled by the end of the weekend. Well, they would have a separate department for... Oh, damn it, Nick. They would get special funding. Nick, stop it. Stop. You know that's what happened now.

I know it is. I just don't want it to be that way. Because you know General Mattis does not have the same problem as private bumble fuck when he pops over to the video. Do you have, do you have to do that? Like, do you have to let all the freaking air out of my balloon constantly? Yes. Like, Phil, that's a great idea.

Oh, what's this? It's called realism. Yeah. I, I don't know. My brain just does that. I don't do it on purpose. It's just the natural conclusion of the thought process. You must drive your wife nuts with it, don't you?

I absolutely do. I drive my wife nuts with it, too, to be perfectly. I drive my in-laws crazy with it. sometimes too. We were when me and my wife were very early in dating, we'd been dating for a while, but I bought a house and I invited her to move in as you do. And her mom said to me, well, I don't know how, I don't know if I feel comfortable with that. And the first word out of my words out of my mouth were, well, she's an adult so you really don't get an opinion on the matter, do you? so out of curiosity did did did that part of the brain that filters between the brain and the mouth ever developed for you or were you a late so you weren't a late bloomer you were a not bloomer no yes i have to work very hard to not just say the next thing that pops into my head i've actually created an emotional holding area for all of my ideas and they all go into there before

before they get, you know, the green light to like going to work on that. I definitely have to work. Well, you know, I've disappointed, frustrated my wife enough times over our 20 years together that I finally started developing it. My wife seems to enjoy those, those outbursts from me. And so does most of her family. See? Which is wild.

If those outbursts were more enjoyed, I probably would have skipped the whole holding area. I think that's why I don't have one. Yes, you've reinforced the bad. behavior. It's been encouraged. All right. Well, it is the 18th of December today. A week from today when we would normally be podcasting is going to be Christmas

Day. And I'm not podcasting on Christmas Day because my wife will make me sleep outside. Fair enough. At least it's warm where you are. Yeah, it's going to be, I think the lows like in the high 50s for the next week. I'm going to have weather between 50 and negative 5. That's gross. Probably bouncing in between.

I know tomorrow's supposed to be in like the teens for the high after it was 47 today. And then it's going to be in the mid-40s again the day after. That's gross. I don't know. That's just Midwestern winter for you. Yeah. Anyway, so we are almost certainly going to skip podcasting next week. But we are not going to skip New Year's.

We will not skip New Year's Day. There might be some social media shenanigans over the break. Nick and I are both, like, you know, hopping up and down by the front door, waiting for our vicarians to see if they'll get here before Christmas. We may have to post a wee, a wee update when they do arrive here. Mine will be here Monday. I have shipping information, but it hasn't moved yet. So mine has not exited California yet, but that doesn't mean it won't take a plane.

Yeah. I mean, at this point, dude, I've got like, you know, plates and radios and antennas and 20,000 other things just waiting for a spot to land. So I stripped my old carrier making ready for moving things. I did tell Rebel that if I get a vicarium by Christmas Day, I will post pictures of me in my Christmas pajamas wearing the plate carrier and a helmet with night vision. Nice. That's awesome. That will happen. Morgan wants to know what did we buy all right so Morgan if you go look at our back episodes

either on YouTube I can see you're on YouTube right now um probably about two months ago now it would have been early October late September maybe we didn't the pre-order teas huh the pre-order teas with us so we did and we did a we've actually done had rebel rebel from Rebel Raiders on twice and uh Nick ordered a vicarian, his new plate carrier setup that he's had produced. And the apothecary med bag, and I ordered one of each, and I ordered a pair of gizmo glider, the sling, the rifle slings. I actually don't need both the rifle slings. I don't really need either one of them because I figured I was going to buy one and keep it on the shelf for the next time I need one.

But I actually have a spare, so that might end up being a giveaway type thing. I was planning ahead but anyway so yeah like if you're if if if a med bag or tactical gear is in your future definitely go check out Rebels Raiders I we've talked about them on the show

we have had him on the show as a guest twice like I think he's a really stand-up guy and he's producing some pretty cool stuff yeah you know from the from the little I've interacted with him he just seems to want to give you a genuinely quality product or a beyond reasonably affordable price for what it is. Now, I am going to abuse the ever-loving hell out of the things that are currently in shipping, and I'll let you guys know how it holds up.

My Ares Armorederma I've had for 10 years is the nylon is getting to the point where it's starting to come apart like nylon does after so much UV exposure. So if it holds up as well as that thing, I'll be rocking it for the next. 10 years or until it falls apart one or the other mm-hmm all right let's go ahead and roll this one out it is 845 at night it's a week until the fat guy with the beard shows up starts hop starts hopping down people's chimneys so if you've been bad I don't know make make make make peace with your decisions because you're not changing this late in

the year and if you've been good let me know how that feels I usually do hood red stuff once or twice a year just out of habit. So, you know, it's really just to stave off the boredom. Like a little minor arson now and then. You have to. Yeah, it's real hard to be on the good boy on the good boys list. Sometimes I wind up like, can you have your name on both, the naughty list and the nice list? I believe my wife made one of those lists and I was on the naughty list.

Okay. Well, the dog, I think, was also on the naughty list, though. Probably justified. High standards, she has. Yeah. All right. Matter of fact, going out of the door. Merry Christmas, everybody.

I hope you get to spend the holiday season with your family, with your loved ones, with your pets, by yourself, just not at work and not deal with nonsense. And we will talk to you all for New Year's. Yeah, next year. Yeah, it will be next year. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. All right.

Good night, everybody. Good night. I'm going to be able to be.