The Prepper Broadcasting Network - Matter of Facts: Harmless Men, Heartless Women

Episode Date: July 21, 2025

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Welcome back to the Matterfags Podcast on the Prepper Broadcasting Network. We talk prepping guns politics every week on iTunes, Stitcher, and Spotify. Go check out our content at MWFpodcast.com on Facebook or Instagram. You can support us via Patreon or by checking out our affiliate partners. I'm your host Phil Raveley. Andrew and Nick are on the other side of the mic and here's your show. And welcome back to Matter of Facts podcast. For those of you who are watching the stream, I completely forgot until 15 seconds
Starting point is 00:00:36 before we started the stream that I needed to tweak the audio levels on that intro and outro. So I'm apologizing now for my complete lack of professionalism. But I also have to call out one at one of our one of our distinguished guests one of our Kind of call him a problem child He probably would take offense of that because he knows who he is and he probably is a problem child
Starting point is 00:00:55 But he literally told me 15 minutes ago that I needed to announce to y'all when the stream was so that y'all could catch it live and give us crap if you wanted to and I I recounted this to Nick before while we were getting everything spun up and he was like But we say it on every show and I was like, I mean I sure thought we did maybe not every show But most of the shows we definitely missed it while drinking aggressively the other show That's fair we were I Was definitely more sauce than you were. Yes.
Starting point is 00:01:28 If the volume and the vitriol of my rants is to be any indicator. It's fine. You can tweak that in like the post-production. It's all right. The volume of the rants? Yeah. Oh no, that's part of the fun.
Starting point is 00:01:42 Oh, all right then. Blow out the mic, it's fine. But this is not alcoholic coffee So this will be a nice thoughtful discussion this time But first we have to do We have to do the admin work. Um, andrew's obviously not with us Andrew was posting spicy jeffrey memes all week after our last episode and he got a call by the fbi
Starting point is 00:02:02 So i'm not sure exactly what they want to talk to him about but I kind of get the impression he might have dropped one to me memes about like you know islands and miners and kitty touchers and politicians and you know fat orange republicans who won't do things they promise to do on the campaign trail and so on and so forth. they promised to do on the campaign trail and so on and so forth. I don't know about you, Phil, but I'm kind of making the assumption that anyone that voted against releasing the Epstein files is probably on the list. I don't know if I would go that far, but... Can you think of any good reason why you would have voted against releasing those documents? well, you're making two mistakes there because you're assuming that
Starting point is 00:02:50 there is any good reason and That any reason I would cook up would apply to that bunch of that freaking snake pit. That is our political class I'm just saying if you don't want a list of international pedophiles released there's only one reason I can think of you wouldn't want that information released. Two, three, three. Three? You got three? All right I think of two. I guess your donors are on the list or you're on the list. That's that's two of them. All right, what's the third one? The the volume of people on the list is so significant that it will be like It will destabilize nations to have that least hang on. No, no, no, no problem. I I agree with you
Starting point is 00:03:42 I didn't say these were my reasons You just asked if I could think of three reasons. Sure. But I'm sure that there is somebody who does lots of insider trading that really doesn't want things destabilized. And if that means protecting people that hurt children, they're OK with that. I'm not saying I agree with that. I'm just saying. No, sure, that makes sense. You don't want to destabilize the entire world's government or economy.
Starting point is 00:04:04 But you know what, if our entire global economy is run off of pedophilia, I think it needs to die. I mean, the entirety of it, I will watch it crash and I will laugh the entire time. I'll flick matches at him while giggling like a lunatic and be perfectly okay with that. But that was not the assignment. The assignment was can you think of four reasons or three? Can you think of reasons and I can think of reasons. There's not good reasons. Yeah
Starting point is 00:04:29 Yeah No Anyway, if you're not a patron and you'd like to become a patron you can support the lunacy That is this show for as little as a dollar a month and as much as you can slide past your wife without getting into trouble I Mean true trick technically you could get yourself in trouble, but I would feel bad about it. I'd feel somewhat responsible for that.
Starting point is 00:04:50 So like, you know. I will laugh that you got yourself in trouble. I mean, I don't know, man. We've all been in trouble before. I mean, at worst you're gonna get a stern talking to. You know, you do raise a good point. So why haven't you bought night vision yet? Because God damn it, I'm trying to be fiscally responsible. It's about my standards, damn it.
Starting point is 00:05:18 It's not because you'll be sleeping in your truck. No, see, I'm too big for that. She can't carry me to the truck. That's the best part. I just have to let gravity take hold and I'm staying wherever I'm going to be. He's strong, but she's not that strong. I am going to enjoy needling you for at least another six months to a year on the back of that joke.
Starting point is 00:05:42 Oh, yeah. Don't you worry. All right. If giving your money away to random weirdos for no specific reason doesn't appeal to you, there's also links to merchants show description, you can get a shirt, you can get a koozie, you can get a coffee cup, you can get whatever you like that they sell that has our logos on it. And it's for small business sports to show. And my wife and I started a nonprofit last year, it has not crashed and and burned we have not embezzled money and we haven't gotten sued yet so have you been hired for obscene rates for speaking fees so
Starting point is 00:06:15 interestingly enough told slight sidebar we actually did get asked to speak at an event and we politely declined for several reasons. Moral? Well, first of all, it was very, very, very, very, very, very super last minute. Ah, like it was like on a Thursday and they needed something ready to go by Saturday. And I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. That's tight. Yeah. And the other problem is 45 minutes or 90. Ah, we didn't even get that far. Oh, the other thing was it was a, um, it was one of these, have you, have you heard of these, like they call them bro retreats. It's like, it's like, you know, 20 or 30 full grown men that get together and they they they they hang out for a weekend and they I don't know they play cards and do whatever normal
Starting point is 00:07:10 Adult male human beings do when they hang out in large groups Nothing I would know anything about because I like to hang out the woods and play with guns and night vision to do weird stuff accurate they do have some of those for that though Well, if you know any in my area, you should make an introduction and stop being a jerk because I need those people. But it was- I know two in Wisconsin. That doesn't mean no good.
Starting point is 00:07:30 I know. You'd have to drive through Illinois. But it was that kind of an event and I just, I didn't feel the draw. You know what I'm saying? It really seemed like they were looking for like just a fill a time slot and I didn't I just wasn't feeling they probably had a cancellation almost certainly and on 48 hours notice there was There was just no rational way. We were gonna put anything together that fast I mean had you done these before and you could go back to an old script maybe but even then 48 hours is tight
Starting point is 00:08:02 I think this was also a few weeks ahead of our our very first event So we were already in like fight-or-flight mode like we were we were we were down look that first event I mean we talked about Gillian. I talked about in this podcast. It was down to the wire to the night before like we'd gotten We'd gotten our curriculums and everything hammered out thankfully But it was to the last minute like what did we forget? What did we not do? Running around breaking up to-do lists like it was it was a sprint
Starting point is 00:08:35 But it's your first time doing something man. There's bound to be some kinks to work out. Yeah Well, fortunately, I think next year when we go to do this again Yeah, well, fortunately, I think next year when we go to do this again, we will be if for another reason, the fact that the nonprofit has actually stood up now and we've built all the curriculum, I mean, we're going to make some modifications to it to tweak it, but we've got a good base layer built at least. Nice. Anyway, two topic harmless men, heartless women. So while I was up in Michigan for the MOF summer camp, I got to go visit Trek. Like in person, I saw Trek Sikoh, I met him and his wife. Trek
Starting point is 00:09:14 is exactly who you think he is. If you've seen him on this podcast, if you've only ever experienced him through like social media or through the internet in person is exactly that person Just with a bigger truck. That's that's really the only thing like yeah, but it was it was a great experience He's a he and his wife are a ton of fun I mean they showed me the whole the whole property Trexco everything he's building everything he's done We got to you know sit in his kitchen just BS with him for a while before we had to move on to our next stop that evening which wound up being ran through to uncle Randy's to Actually sit on uncle Randy's front porch Ray by its ever had the disaster coffee coffee uncle Randy's front porch
Starting point is 00:10:00 I've sat on that porch But front porch, I've sat on that porch. But but while I was visiting with track, you know, we were just talking, BS and get everything in. Like I was telling Nick, like over the years. I've had this thought, and I'm sure other people had this thought. I'm sure the five of you all there's watching the stream right now that you should comment, so I know this is not just bots. I've always had this feeling like, you know, there's people in this world who like, I sincerely hope there's a police officers officer that lives next door to
Starting point is 00:10:33 them because they are completely and totally unable to use violence to protect themselves and their families. Like, and that, that is no judgment. That is no, no malice. That is no shade. That is just a fact of the matter they are whether it is a lack of Whether it is the wrong mentality whether it is lack of skill whether is lack of strength or speed or stamina Whatever whatever the problem is they could not fight their way out of a wet paper bag
Starting point is 00:11:03 They could find their ass in the dark with a flashlight in both hands. They couldn't, they could not act in their own self-interest if it came to a contest of violence. Yeah. Like if somebody boots their front door in off the hinges at three o'clock in the morning, they better grab nine-one-one and start praying. Yeah. Because I have met a lot of people like that.
Starting point is 00:11:25 And, you know, I to add to that, I think it was Jordan Peterson. And you know what? I don't really follow the guy. But a while back, I saw this on Instagram and it was something to the nature of if you're not capable of doing violence, you're not a good person. You're just weak. Yes. You can't make the choice to be a good person and to be nonviolent if you're completely incapable of doing that. No, I mean not everything Jordan Peterson
Starting point is 00:12:00 says I feel like is like bombs on target but I think that certainly is. I really do think it is because look you know if you are so totally spineless and weak that you wouldn't defend yourself if you were forced into that situation or you don't have the capacity to do harm you're not making the choice not to do harm. It struck me as very poignant. If you're never really making the choice to do good, you're never actually in a position to weigh those moral choices and develop the intellectual muscle to find the correct choice. So it's gonna lead to more, I would say, damage,
Starting point is 00:12:51 unintentional damage, than if you were actually strong and capable. The person that's been tested in the arena, and whether the arena is a contest of strength, of speed, of violence, of combat sports, but the person that has been tested in the arena knows what they're capable of. And they know exactly how far they have to pull back to avoid harming someone.
Starting point is 00:13:15 True. A person that has never been tested has no earthly idea what they're capable of or whether or not to pull back. So they are simultaneously more liable to more likely to hurt someone else with an overuse of force or not hurt someone, not accomplish their task because they overestimate their force. But this whole conversation and there is more to it, but the part that stuck out to me the part that like crystallized in
Starting point is 00:13:46 my head, I talked to my wife, as soon as we back out the driveway, I was like, I need to write this down. This is gonna be a podcast podcast topic. Trek called those people harmless. Yeah. And that really like something about that, that I that that one word harmless just crystallize all this into my head because you know, like like I've talked about on the show before and Nick I could take a wild guess you probably have some of the same ideals but like you know at the risk of sounding like the most you know early 20th century knuckle
Starting point is 00:14:16 dragging person on earth there is a certain anatomy that really does believe in traditional gender roles yeah not that I think a person should not be able to express themselves outside of those traditional gender roles, but I think that they are traditional gender roles for a reason. And because biologically men and women are wired differently enough that we just, we naturally lend ourselves to these two different realms just because of our,
Starting point is 00:14:42 our psychology, our physiology, and everything else. Well, I think that people are trying to avoid evolution. Avoid what evolution has given us. Deny evolution. Deny it if, you know, you can do that all you want, but it's like vegan cats, man, they're all sick. No, it's like vegan cats, man. They're all sick No, it's good point. I mean a My hope my hope my whole thought process is like I compare like simple size of one-on-one me and my wife
Starting point is 00:15:14 My wife is a more patient person than I am. She is She is a more nurturing person that I am She's a teacher Mm-hmm. She's great in her role. She does things I never person than I am. She's a teacher. She's great in her role. She does things I never could do. I could not tolerate. Absolutely. If I had to tolerate a class full of like screaming six year olds, they'd all be in
Starting point is 00:15:34 the front lane. You rest by the end of the day. Like me and me and my wife have that conversation all the time. She'll be, she'll be talking about something that the kids are doing at work. And I'm just like, just duct tape them to a chair and put them in the closet. It's like the kid, the kid, the kids are doing at work. And I'm just like, just duct tape them to a chair and put them in the closet. It's like the kid, the kid. The kids are always a problem. Well, you can't do that. No, you actually can. You won't because you like to keep your job. Yeah. But it's my health. But I guess that's my point is that, you know,
Starting point is 00:15:58 obviously, there's something in the sample size of two that we're talking about that their their mentality their emotional balance their whatever It lends itself to a job you and I admittedly would struggle in oh my gosh Yes on the flip side of things there is no contest of strength. My wife is going to beat me at Last weekend, I spent four hours ripping ripping apart the suspension on a Jeep Grand Cherokee I got done with all that in 90 degree heat. I was shaking. I was tired. I sat down for the rest of the day and like sucked down a gallon of water
Starting point is 00:16:31 and liquid IV and I had to recuperate. Forty two is not for the frickin week. But my wife is literally not strong enough to have done some of the things I did to break some of those bolts, these big old heavy suspension bolts loose to like hold a strut assembly with one hand up in a wheel well while threading on nuts and everything with a free hand. Like she's just not as strong as I am. She's not as strong.
Starting point is 00:17:00 She doesn't have the endurance I do. She doesn't, she just, we are physically built differently. I've even heard that the texture of skin between men and women is biologically different. The way the structure of your skin is made up is different. Men's skin is tougher and has more tougher and has more grip to it. I hadn't heard that, but in retrospect, that that seems reasonable. Yeah, I was reading it on on some some site on. Hold up a second. Katie five PCK.
Starting point is 00:17:38 I'm pretty sure that's a ham call sign. You shut your damn mouth. I do not. I am not ready for 50 yet. Give me a couple more years. But you know, you're right. There are biological differences and I think those biological differences are made more pronounced by the psychological differences that you see. Yeah, very potentially. But I guess going down that- Yeah, some of that is socialization for sure. But I mean, you can make that argument, but like my wife and I have done our absolute best to raise like my daughter with the mentality of like,
Starting point is 00:18:12 you can do anything as long as you apply yourself. But my daughter does not have the physical strength of a young boy her age. Oh, absolutely. Here in discussion, but going down this road, I guess my thought process is, I'm like, you know, the way I was raised, the things I was raised to believe in, like as a husband, as a father, my first job is to protect my family. Protect and provide. And it was it was like, whooped into us young that you like if it comes down to using violence, use violence. If you have to shoot, you have to shoot. You have to use your bare hands, use your bare hands, but you will not while you're while you draw breath, let harm befall your wife or your children. You will fight and you will stand in
Starting point is 00:18:53 front of them. And if it means you lose your life, you lose your life. Like that was very basically, that was a very basic idea that I grew up believing in. And the idea that I wouldn't be able to protect my family was never anything I considered. Like, you know, sports and martial arts at a young age, joined the art, joined the military at 17 years old. I mean, I've told the story of the podcast for it. It's been years and years, but there was one night where back when we had both cats alive for one of them passed away. It was about two, three o'clock in the morning, I heard glass breaking and woke me up out of a dead
Starting point is 00:19:31 sleep. Before my wife managed to roll over and say, Hey, I heard glass breaking, I grabbed my gun out of the nightstand locked and loaded it and I was like, moving into the hallway at a low ready because I didn't even think about it. I was like, somebody's breaking into my home. And I went for I went for the doorway doorway and now it wound up being one of the cats knocked over a food dish shattered on the floor a cat was very upset I was very upset cleaned up the problem and went back to bed but my first reaction was someone's broken into my house I have to defend my family but to trex point there are people in this, there are men in this world that are harmless, who don't have that mentality, who don't have the skill set, who don't have the strength or the stamina or the will or the whatever to protect their family.
Starting point is 00:20:16 And, you know, these can be nice people, they can be great providers, they can be great earners, they could be in very high power positions, they could be the most polite moral men on the face of the earth. There's they're not bad people, but they are sure harmless Yeah and Yeah, I Can't comprehend Living my life in that way I don't remember it ever being an explicit thing when I was growing up that you you had to Be the protector. It was just the default
Starting point is 00:20:52 It was just the default if there was something dangerous that had to be done you're the man you're doing it Period it wasn't a question. It wasn't an option Heck even when I was a little kid. No, no grandma's not doing it. Mom's not doing it. You're doing it Yeah, and to your point You know it like we could I feel like you and I and we could get a thousand people in a room and ask all thousand of them is that biology physicality is that socialization that causes that you probably get a pretty even mix of the two because because
Starting point is 00:21:27 like when I when I look at, okay, when I look at young, young boys that grew up in the era I did, let me let me say that. Nowadays, I see lots of tablet kids, and I don't know how many of them would do the stuff we did when we were growing up. But like, I remember boys like we would literally like, we would wrestle, we'd play sports, we would go after each other, we would shoulder check each other wearing shorts on the sidewalk, like, we were we we grew up testing ourselves and testing each other. And like it was nothing to come home like bruised up, bloodied up, beat up, you know, dirty, whatever else. And we stood in such stark contrast to the young girls that we knew
Starting point is 00:22:16 that we grew up with that were in the same neighborhood, in the same socioeconomic strata who grew up in some areas, worked from the same jobs. In some in some occasions, playing in the exact same area at the same time. You know, the neighborhood I grew up in was relatively small. There were probably only, let's see, there were, I would say 11, 10 to 11 kids in our neighborhood, fairly small out in the country. We were spread out of ways. And most of the, fairly small out in the country, we were spread out of ways. And most of the time, the boys and the girls,
Starting point is 00:22:48 we were all out in the back 40 together. Nowhere near doing the same things, but in the same area, socializing with each other, and each looking at the other like, why are you doing that? Uh-huh. Absolutely no understanding of the way the other world, the other way the other world worked or what the rules were or what the social
Starting point is 00:23:11 conventions were. And like, even looking back on it, I couldn't honestly tell you how much of that was like, how much of that came from within and how much of it was kind of encouraged from the outside. I don't know. I feel I feel like a lot of I feel like a lot of that was just boys being boys. I do feel like the like the impetus that like, hey, you like, like when dad knows he's leaving for a couple of weeks, like, hey, you 12 year old boy, you're the man of the
Starting point is 00:23:38 house, watch out for your mom, take care of your brother. Don't let the house burn to the ground till I get back. And you know, like, now did my dad expect me to go get a briefcase and go get a job and like pay bills? No. But it was the idea that like, okay, dad's not here. So I have to step up and try to like, you know, if mom needs something, if mom needs help, if mom if something needs to be done that I can do, I need to quit, put me in a kid for five minutes and go deal
Starting point is 00:24:02 with it like a like a half-assed an adult and I don't know like that was just an expectation but I Have these moments I have these moments in time throughout my life We're like I remember my dad Like somebody be beaten on the door at two o'clock in the morning when I was when I was really young and it was just Teenage idiots being teenage idiots beat on people's doors and run it off. Usually is. Yeah. Well, in this case, it was but my dad still came to the front door with a handgun in his hand one know who
Starting point is 00:24:30 was beaten on his door two o'clock in the morning. I can remember times when the neighbors would come over like being assholes and rant, you know, yelling about you know, your kid walk through my yard, stupid shit. And my dad would take him to task and be like, Look, don't come over here yelling about my damn kid. If they did something wrong, I get to deal with them, not you. Yeah. But like my dad set that standard of I am the man. These are my people to protect and to take care of.
Starting point is 00:24:54 No one gets to, no one gets to mess with them. These are my, this is my family. So that, that example was instilled in me very young. You know, some, most of it wasn't even like a consciously taught. It was just a I don't know, watching my dad be like, oh, that must be the right way to do that. Right. You know, I think a lot of it, a lot of it can be socially driven. But if you look at if you look at evolutionary pressures on societies,
Starting point is 00:25:26 men are disposable. They are. I hate to say it that way, but yeah. No, they are. If you have a village of 100 women and one man, the village is going to survive, probably, assuming the man isn't sterile. Gonna be a lot of weak chins
Starting point is 00:25:41 and messed up teeth in a generation. Yeah, but still. Evolution doesn't care if you're ugly. Evolution cares if you can if you can continue to breed a successful population. Whereas to your eventually to your point, 100 100 men and one woman that population is going to die. Yeah, unless you can find more women to import from somewhere else, which did happen historically. I was about to say it not to beat, not to go to a dark place, but historically that was always an option that was typically the option, but your society's going to die.
Starting point is 00:26:15 It's just the way it is. Women are the only ones that can have children. So they are evolutionarily and biologically more valuable to protect. Yeah. So, but then I, as I was sitting here thinking about harmless men, it got me thinking like, what's the, what's the inverse to that? What's the opposite? What's the inverse? What's the mirror image to harmless men? And it took me to heartless women. So the same things I was saying earlier about how like my wife is a nurture. My wife is my wife has more patience than I do.
Starting point is 00:26:48 My wife, my wife emotionally is very different from me. But I cannot imagine how this family would function if she didn't have those things like, you know, and that's not to say like I am unable or unwilling to like be nurturing. That's not the point. But it's like, it's not my default. Like if my wife and I are kind of left her own devices, she tends to be more nurturing. I tend to be more firm, more structured. And between the two of us, we try to like, find you make a whole functional person. Yeah, I mean, it's funny, but that's how bearage is supposed to work.
Starting point is 00:27:23 find you make a whole functional person. Yeah, I mean, it's funny. But that's how bearish is supposed to work. I think so. Me. But I think to myself, I'm like, what what does society look like when men are harmless and women are heartless? I feel like whether it's a society, whether it's a workplace, whether it's whether it's a family unit, when women don't have that ability to be nurturing. And I don't know quite what causes that. Like, you know, you think about like harmless men and I don't know what causes that because I can't I don't fall into that group. But I think to myself, like, okay, well, this is a person who was raised in a very sheltered
Starting point is 00:28:02 life. This is a person who was never tested. This is a person who never tested themselves. They were never taught to be any of these things. They were, you know, like they grew up very soft. And that's why they never developed this part of them that is that is able to wield violence on their own behalf. And then I think to myself, like, what causes women to grow up heartless? I mean, is that I can imagine it be that could be like trauma, that could be pain, that could be that could be a really, really bad home life, where they grew up, they grew up not experiencing, you know, being nurturing, therefore, they didn't learn how to be nurturing themselves.
Starting point is 00:28:38 It's possible. But then again, I've also I think a lot of the ones that I see that have absolutely, that are absolutely heartless are incredibly heavily medicated. Go down that road, sir. Well, look at, so I've got, no, that's not, let's not be that specific. Yeah, let's generalize. So I have seen a number of individuals, a number of women around in my life that were
Starting point is 00:29:08 on SSRIs, ADHD meds, antidepressants, antipsychotics, and yeah, maybe some of them were mentally unstable to begin with, but not when they were younger and they got put on those medications very young. Another one of those medications I see a lot of is birth control. Artificial hormones being pumped into your system. I don't know man, I see what happens to guys when they take all the steroids and how much it whacks out their brain. I can only imagine that the artificial birth control hormones are having some kind of psychological impact
Starting point is 00:29:49 No, I mean that that's probably fair I was gonna say cuz I'd originally started talking about how like maybe trauma causes some of this but like very possibly I can think of two two people who? grew up in very very similar situations as far as like, you know, as far as like family like growing up. And one of them to this day is far less nurturing than the other. Yeah. You know, not not not nurturing, not like heartless, just less, much less.
Starting point is 00:30:23 So I'm sure you can you can beat anything out of a child if you try hard enough. You're just not going to come out with a healthy adult at the end. Yeah. Raggedly fraggle. Adderall is amphetamines. So, yeah, and it's given to children as young as six and seven. I'm so glad I was never. I'm so glad I was never faced with a school system that wanted me to medicate my child with Adderall because I'm pretty sure that what I said would not have been socially acceptable. I am very glad that the whole push behind giving boys Adderall started happening when
Starting point is 00:31:02 I was already in middle school because I'm fairly certain if I was a child in school now, I would definitely have been given Ritalin or Adderall Yeah, I might have I might have escaped that just cuz like I was in the gifted talented program. So I Don't know. I was one of the nerdy quiet bookworms. So I was like the last I was our days They try to medicate. I was a menace. Absolute menace. I do I have apologized to several of my teachers. Back in the day, you turned out okay, it's fine. I think the only teacher I apologize to was my history
Starting point is 00:31:38 teacher. And that was because like, when I was in high school, as I'm sure most 14 18 year old boys are I couldn't have given less of a shit About hot history if you put a literal gun to my head I mean it was did not care did not want to be there did the bare minimum like yeah for me It was English. Yeah, but you know as I got older I began to realize my history teacher was a genius and I should have shut up and listen a lot more So yeah I did bump into him one time and I was like look I was a genius and I should have shut up and listen a lot more. So yeah, I did bump into
Starting point is 00:32:05 him one time and I was like, look, I was a shithead when I was in your class. And I apologize because history is awesome. He was like, that makes it worth it. Sometimes it takes you 10 years to realize you're being a dumb ass. It didn't take me 10 years, but it took me it took me a deployment to Iraq and a trip through Hurricane Katrina New Orleans and a couple years of college. I had to grow up a little bit.
Starting point is 00:32:33 It does help. I mean, 14 to 17 year olds are by default retarded. Yes. Speaking of which, did you hear that the United Kingdom is flirting with the idea of allowing 16 and 17 year olds to vote? Yeah, that's going to work out well. Oh, it's going to work out beautifully because I'm pretty sure what they want is to get them to vote for, you know, socialist policies. But well, it is very easy to convince 16 and 17 year olds to do things for free stuff. Yes. Well, my response was poignant. It was whatever the legal age of adulthood is, it
Starting point is 00:33:15 needs to be that for everything. And then I went into my spiel of like, you know, you can buy guns, you can buy alcohol, you can buy cigarettes, you can sign contracts, like your parents can kick you out. You can join the military, you can go to military. Yeah, I went through like, the whole list of everything that make anyone on the left or anyone on the right scream bloody murder of 1617 year olds could do it. And then I said, y'all get together and pick I'm cool with whatever. Basically, basically, pick an age will play by those rules.
Starting point is 00:33:43 But if you want 15 year olds to vote, I want 15 year olds with AKs. Yeah. I mean, Somalia, here we come. I mean, in certain metro areas, we're already there. Oh yeah, we are. I mean, kids are walking around downtown Chicago with switches all the time. They're bringing them into school every now and then. Chirac, huh? Mm-hmm. And anybody that tries to tell me different, you're wrong. I mean, I'm just saying I'm comfortable playing by whatever set of rules society dictates, but I would like the rules to make sense, and I don't think that's asking too much. I would just like the rules to be internally consistent.
Starting point is 00:34:25 Yeah, that that seems like a base. That seems like, you know, a base layer. Mm hmm. Like consistency. Yeah. Jeff Jag, to be fair, it will be part of the European Caliphate in the next 10 years anyway. Look, don't worry. Don't worry. Radical Christian theology is making a comeback in a few places.
Starting point is 00:34:49 We'll get a new crusade going. It'll be fine. Don't don't tease me. But I don't know man, like I've actually so in the name of before we move on to the last the last of these pieces because this is poignant, I think. I have really heavily cut back my social media consumption in the last several months. And I found that I am shying away
Starting point is 00:35:17 from a lot of the preparedness content I used to swallow a lot, just because I started to notice, I'm like Every single time these guys are talking about the end of the world again Every single episode is the world is going to end This that is what caused me and my wife to leave the first preparedness group. We were part of Was disaster trading mm-hmm trading, just intellectual masturbation
Starting point is 00:35:47 about how the world is gonna end. You know, it was always, we've got eight months. It was always eight months for whatever reason with these people. And later on later you're still there talking about eight months. We were, we were closely affiliated with this group of people for about a year
Starting point is 00:36:05 and a half, more me than my wife. But after a while, you know, we're a year and a half in, he's like, Oh, we've only got eight months to get all this ready. And, and I did stop him at one point and I said, yeah, man, you said that eight months ago, well, we got lucky. said that eight months ago. Well, we got lucky. Like, I don't actually think the world's gonna end. It'll just be maybe shittier, but not end. Yeah, so raggle fraggle. The problem is they're right, just not right now. So yeah, what is I'm trying to think this it's a website or something. And I'm going to think about as soon as we wrap up.
Starting point is 00:36:46 But it says on a long enough timeline, everyone's survivability goes to zero. Oh, yeah, absolutely. So sure. Just for the sake of argument, like, yes, the world is eventually going to end. All life on this planet is going to wind up being dust. We're all no one is going to make it out of this. And this MF for a live like that. Earth will eventually be swallowed by the sun expanding into a red giant. Yeah. And eventually, eventually the United
Starting point is 00:37:13 States of America is going to fracture and you know, the economy is going to collapse and world governments will burn like yes, sooner or later, it will off it will all come falling down and no one will put a Humpty-Bum dump you back together again but I Really really hesitate to ever assign timelines to any of that because it begins to sound I begin to sound like a charlatan the minute I start asserting that I know when things are going to fall apart Like when you guys case you sound like a doomsday call
Starting point is 00:37:44 Yeah win things are going to fall apart. Like when you guys case you sound like a doomsday call. Yeah, but like, like when you and I talk about things like, you know, like the economy is going to go to the moon sooner or later. Oh, yeah, eventually, eventually, we are going to hit a massive recession. Yes, it is a when not if it is a mathematical certainty, but I've never said oh, in six months, oh, in a year, oh, this, oh, that now I have gone so far as to say based on what the market is doing right now.
Starting point is 00:38:09 I would highly advise you to do XYZ ABC because that's not it's going to happen in six months. That's what's happening in six seconds. This is well, you know when they went now I do recall when when COVID was starting up. I do recall you saying on the show. Hey guys, if this pandemic does get as bad as they claim, it could have massive saying on the show, hey guys, if this pandemic does get as bad as they claim, it could have massive impacts on the economy. And it did. And it's
Starting point is 00:38:31 still having impact. For exactly the reasons I didn't think it would. But yes. Yeah. Thank you, Money Printing. Really appreciate all that. Yeah. But Rachel said, I can't think about the world any and I'll tell you I'll tell you this that the secret sauce despite the world I live in and despite the things I advocate and despite the fact that I spend most of my waking hours trying to advise people what they should do on the worst day of their life I am also very quick to point out to most people I'm like, hey, never
Starting point is 00:39:07 invest anything, never invest a penny in anything you're not willing to not use. Yep. Because the likelihood is that rifle behind me will probably never get around fired through through in anger. God, I hope so. It will probably do nothing to go from here to the gun range and back. It might go to a class one day. Wouldn't that be fun? But the odds that I'm going to have to load up, like I'm going to Mogadishu and go burn down the whole block is almost zero. The likelihood that I will have to use my carry gun to defend myself myself my family is almost zero like you have to look at some of these things from a very dispassionate real world. Statistical thirty thousand foot view and realize most these things are probably not going to happen so if i think you should invest. Energy money time whatever in these things to the degree you feel like is appropriate just in case
Starting point is 00:40:07 You have to use it with the understanding that in spite of all these things I still before 1k I Still have savings. I'm still working on paying off a mortgage early because the greatest likelihood is that I'm gonna make it to 65 and Not want to work till the day I die Yep, I Mean I'll probably want to continue working but that's because I pathologically enjoy work Yes, and Jeff Jeff. I did expect the government to be stupid. I expected a different stupid. I guess Yeah, I was betting on the wrong stupid. Yeah, I expected government to be stupid.
Starting point is 00:40:46 I just. I didn't. It's hard to pick one stupid. They do a lot of stupid. Yes. We got to remember the government is people and most people are dumb. Yes. Well, I mean, to be fair, if you expect the government to be stupid, then you you're going to be right more often than wrong. But you know, my whole thing was at the moment since we brought COVID, but the moment COVID started, my most immediate concern was not printing money and shutting the economy down and everything crazy that went up happening. Honestly, my most immediate concern was we have no reliable data coming in from China.
Starting point is 00:41:31 None. We have we have at the time we have just had our first cases show up in New York City and in the Los Angeles metro area to extremely high population density areas, to major economic centers, to port cities, to places with international airports. So this thing is about to go thermonuclear any minute now. Like the pin has been pulled out of the grenade and the spoon has flown across the room
Starting point is 00:42:01 and this is about to go. Like, yup, and I literally, like when my wife and I sat down and talked about it, I told her, I'm like, for the next seven days, we're not leaving this house. We're not going to hang out with friends, we're gonna make excuses, we're gonna minimize our trips out of the house, we're gonna like, we're gonna spend time outdoors,
Starting point is 00:42:20 we're gonna get plenty of sunshine, we're gonna bump our immune systems up the good old fashioned natural way that we know works Because we're not morons and we're going to prepare for the world to to burn down because I told her Mike in seven days either New York New York City and Los Angeles literally go up in flames like if this is as bad as as it could be if this is Ebola if this Spanish yeah airborne. If this is on that level, those
Starting point is 00:42:48 two cities are going to go up at ash in the next seven days. Like it will. Yeah, we'll have some reliable data within the week. Yeah. And if they don't, then we still have reliable data because now we have, I hate to say it this way about my fellow man, but we have two Petri dishes and we're about to see what happens. Yeah. And at the end of seven days, I mean, it was, it, were there a shitload of people in the hospital? Yes. But there were still enough people to keep the hospitals open and the power, the power stations on. So I was like, aha, now we have data.
Starting point is 00:43:20 Yeah. Well, true. And by that point, by that seven days, we also had some reliable data coming out of the EU, especially Italy, because Italy got hit hard pretty early. And almost everyone in Italy that was dying was elderly, obese, diabetics, and smokers, or people with heart conditions. Yeah, well we knew that within the first couple of months of our own timeline, but nobody wanted to listen. No, nobody wanted to listen. No, nobody wanted to listen to it.
Starting point is 00:43:46 But you know what? That's because the fear sells and the bad news sells and the government wanted to do governmenty things. I will say this much though, like you know that my background is statistical analysis, right? It's not exactly hard. Cause at the time, this was like 90 days
Starting point is 00:44:04 after COVID hit our shores. It wasn't really that difficult to look through the CDC's stats and age stratify them yourself if you know what you're doing. It's really wasn't rocket surgery. So I did it on break at work and I'm do not have a background in statistics. Yeah. Needless to say, um, I mean, I did my own work and I came to conclusion fairly quickly. I'm like, I am, how old was I at the time?
Starting point is 00:44:34 38. I was like 37, 30 years old. I'm like, okay, I am 37, 38 years old, only moderately overweight with no comorbidities. I like my odds. Well, that was the discussion I had with my wife at home too and with many of my coworkers, except for one, because he's got some comorbidities. And I was like, you might wanna be cautious
Starting point is 00:44:58 because he was 72. Ooh, like, but other than that, he was in great health. He's still alive now. He's been retired for a few years, but everybody else here is under 50 or in the 50-55 range. You're probably going to be fine unless you had a comorbidity, which none of them did. The only people I know that died of COVID were elderly diabetics over the average age of mortality in the US for their generation. Yeah. And while that... I can't be... over the average age of mortality, I can't be mad about that.
Starting point is 00:45:36 And while that is an individual tragedy for the families that lost their loved ones. Oh, it absolutely is. Not trying to diminish it at all, but... Not a shock either. You're kind of you're kind of at that point where if you died of something else no one would be surprised. Yeah. Or at least not terribly. Well I mean this is kind of what I recounted someone recently who lost a loss of a very elderly family member. I was like look at their age it didn't matter what what the next thing to get. It wasn't that it was going to be the flu. If it wasn't that it was going to be pneumonia. It wasn't
Starting point is 00:46:08 that it was going to be falling, breaking their hip and doing poorly. I mean, I hate to say, but at a certain age, like you are, you are one minute, you are one straight banana peel away from going to see Jesus. And that's not a, that's not meant to be like, that's not meant to be antagonistic or harsher uncaring or anything that's just like reality like it's the reality of biology you as you get older it's more and more likely something's going to kill you it's it's an unfortunate fact that we all have to come to terms with until the likelihood is 100 right exactly it's terrible but that's life. All right. Thirteen minutes.
Starting point is 00:46:50 We can do it. You've heard the parable of the Four Seasons, right? Absolutely. I think we all have at this point. Yeah. So this is like the good old fashioned, like, good men make, what is it? Hard times make strong men. Strong men make good times. Good times make weak men. Weak men make hard times. And it's four seasons tends to repeat itself.
Starting point is 00:47:12 Yeah. Well, as I was sitting around toying with this idea of like harmless men and heartless women, and maybe, maybe this is my own personal societal blinders. Or maybe the fact that I'm only 42 years old. If Stuart were here, Stuart is several hundred years old and could tell me because it is incredibly long lens, but it's very short memory. He could probably correct me on this, but like it just feels to me like the proportion of people in society that are heartless and harmless seems to be growing.
Starting point is 00:47:44 Like yes, the proportion of the proportion of people that are heartless and harmless seems to be growing. Like the proportion of people who are unable or unwilling, either or, doesn't matter, amounts to the same thing, to sacrifice, to plant trees, the shade under which they will never sit, the number of people who are able to give of themselves for the common good, the number of people who are able and give of themselves for the common good the number of people who are
Starting point is 00:48:06 Able and willing to break generational curses because that shits freaking hard the number of people I'm right It is the number of people who are willing to like eat beans and rice Seven days seven and a half days a week because that's what they got to do to make the ends meet so they can afford to Put their kids into school the number of people I see in society who are willing to do hard things because there's a payoff later seems to be shrinking and that scares the shit out of me because yeah when when gillian and i were young younger in our marriage like we we had a very constricted budget the first year we were married uh both of us worked. I was still in college.
Starting point is 00:48:46 I I worked or went to school six days a week. I was taking a full time, full time loaded school and I was working 60 hours a week. She was working full time in New Orleans. I was working in New Orleans, living in Slidel and going school in Hammond. So for those of you who aren't from this area, it was a 35 to 40 minute drive from my apartment to school. It was about an hour and 15 minutes from school to work.
Starting point is 00:49:13 And then it was about a half an hour from work back home. So I literally, like I had one day a week where I could actually get eight to 10 hours of sleep and it was fricking magical. But in spite of working 60 hours a week, where I could actually get eight to 10 hours of sleep and it was frickin magical. But in spite of working 60 hours a week, most of my money went to bills or went to the bursar's office. And we ate pork chops and red beans and rice and peanut butter sandwiches most of the time like Gillian and I had to struggle, we had to watch our money really carefully. And even when I
Starting point is 00:49:41 graduated college, and I was excited, because I was like, Woo, one full time job, and I I don't have to pay you know that two thousand dollars a semester when that was a bargain to go to school yeah you know like I was all excited because I'm like woohoo only one full-time job now with a little bit of overtime yep but I talk to younger people now and they like they literally think that is impossible. Like they're like they're yes, there's no way you can work even full time much less 5560 hours a week and go to school full time. There's there's not enough time. Like how do you get eight hours sleep? How do you have time to
Starting point is 00:50:15 socialize? Hey, I have time to do this and I don't first of all, I slept four hours a night. Not great for you. But hey, we we all have had to do it. I slept on the couch at work two nights a week because I worked two 10 hour doubles and we were closed for four hours. So I'd I'd literally shut the place down, shut all the doors, shut all the windows, lock the place up. And I had permission from my boss to sleep on the couch because I worked a night shift and then the next day shift. And I will knock out on the couch for about three and a half hours. I'd get up go into the bathroom, deodorant change my shirt, you know, like I kept a full change of clothes there
Starting point is 00:50:52 in case I got these jet fuel or diesel or anything on me. But I would change. I'd brush my teeth, clean myself up, get a cup of coffee and a cigarette. And then I open place up and go back to work But like I talked to this this generation coming up behind us dude and like they cannot conceive of The life I'm describing to them. They cannot conceive of Driving a truck so old you have to like check the oil every time you pull into a gas station to make sure there's still oil in it they They cannot conceive of the level of austerity I'm describing to them. And that level of austerity didn't feel like poverty to me. It was just, oh, money's just real tight. It'll be better later.
Starting point is 00:51:39 We have had a number of interns, and I've mentioned this to you, I think off the air before at my job where I work. We were doing some summer internships for a couple of years and we're going to be trying to get back to it next year, hopefully. One of the interns on lunch one day, we were sitting in the lunchroom BS and me and one of the other coworkers were talking about when we were just getting into the trade, what we had to do to make it work. And night school on top of working a 60 to 70, sometimes 80 hour work week,
Starting point is 00:52:16 plus a 45 minute drive one way to and from school. There wasn't a whole lot of sleep being had. There was no socializing being had. Thank God my wife was a very patient girlfriend and was willing to only see me for the 45 minutes I had before or after class. But the kids said, well, what do you mean? You had to work more than 40 hours? Yeah, and we wanted to work more than 40 hours because that's time
Starting point is 00:52:46 and a half. You're getting paid 50% more for the same job. I do believe that because of how coddled children have become, because they no longer are exposed to doing hard things, they're no longer willing to, when they become an adult, take on those difficult things. And for some of them, it's as little as, oh, I have to give up DoorDash. Well, I can't give up DoorDash, because heaven forbid you drive across town to McDonald's.
Starting point is 00:53:24 forbid you drive across town to McDonald's. Thank you, Nick, for shredding the last little tiny bit of faith in humanity I was clinging to. You're welcome. I live to disappoint. Well, it's not that you are a disappointment, you just disappoint me. You're the disappointer, not the disappoint me. Yes, correct. Well, I have been both. I don't think you're ever disappointed. Not today. Give it time. Oh, comments early to rise and early to bed makes a man wise but socially dead. Correct. Raggle fraggle. I I don't disagree with you. I'll just say that like for me at that at the age we're describing,
Starting point is 00:54:07 I don't know everything to me was a cost benefit analysis. And my point of view was, you know, would life be easier if I shlacked up a whole bunch of student loans so I wouldn't have to kill myself to do this? Yes. But then I was like easier now. Yeah. But at the same time, it's like I will always take harder now and easier later. Yeah. Or just harder now and harder later and just profit from it. Like, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:54:35 I I I I personally believe there are certain immutable laws of the world. And I do not. I believe that the easy way is an illusion. If something was if something was easier, but it was just as good. I'm going to call shenanigans on that because I've never seen anything that worked just as good, but was a lot easier. Jeff, Jeff, same go ahead and read it off for the audio listeners. Jeff Jeff commented laziness and degeneracy has always been the collapse of empires all the way back to Sodom and Gomorrah. Yes. Rome? Yeah. Well, degeneracy for sure in Rome and
Starting point is 00:55:15 laziness as in outsourcing all your soldiers to foreign nationals. Good job. You hired a bunch of people you conquered to fight your wars for you. That's never gonna come back to bite you in the ass You've armed and trained all your enemies. Congratulations. Yeah. Thank you CIA. I Gotta call a spade a spade here. I mean the CIA has armed every terrorist organization that has attacked us Yes, and then butchered an entire generation before or, and then butchered an entire generation. Before or after. And then butchered an entire generation of parents and left a wake of very unhappy, near-fighting-age males in its wake.
Starting point is 00:55:56 Yep. Yeah. Good job. But- I mean, if you want to create international strife, you've done well. Yeah, I mean, that might be a feature not a flaw. I'm not convinced that it isn't. But circling back around to the Four Seasons.
Starting point is 00:56:14 How do we make hard men in good times? Because this is something I've been struggling with. Like I believe in the Four Seasons. I feel like I've seen it in my own Relatively short lifetime. I can see the train on the tracks and I can see where it's going and I have this thought sometimes because like, you know Nick you and I know a lot of hard men a Lot of hard women too like we know Oh God. Yeah yeah, we know you should meet my grandma. No, but I'm talking about that generation. I'm talking about within our
Starting point is 00:56:51 generation, like within Oh, yeah, within our little friend group within our social group, like we know people who will put foot to ass. We know people who will sacrifice. We know people who believe in some of these very, they call it old school, you know, life lessons. But like we know people who believe in some of these very, they call it old school, you know, life lessons, but like we know people who believe a lot of this. And in spite of the fact that we can see so many people softening up around us, we continue to refocus ourselves and say, No, no, no, no, just
Starting point is 00:57:18 because everybody else is getting soft don't mean you get butter soft, you need to you need to tighten up because it's not in it, you know, you need to tighten up because it's not in you know, like back to our original point about how like, we don't ever want to get into the trap of like, the world's gonna end. That's what we're getting ready for. But it's like, No, no, no, you don't harden up because the world's gonna end you harden up to prevent things from ending you hard, correct tighten up because if you don't, that's when things are going to get bad. Yeah, absolutely. But how do we what?
Starting point is 00:57:46 How do we do that in good times? Because like even let me let me just lay land for you here. Not to put your business out in the street, but I'm assuming that you are a fair bit more financially comfortable than you were when you were in school and killing yourself, work lots of overtime, just getting into the trade. Yeah. Your ship has kind of come in. You know, you've you've worked it as it has definitely paid off. Yeah. Judging by the toys on the bench behind you.
Starting point is 00:58:12 OK, OK. The lathe was free. Late, late, those three. I always point the wrong direction. I know the camera, the camera being reversed kind of messes with you. Oh, dude, it drives me nuts. I have thought about mirroring the camera just so it made sense in my head. That's why I mirrored my camera
Starting point is 00:58:28 because otherwise I hold it in my left hand and it looks like my right and it gives me the weirdest freaking podcast. I really need to get around to that. Anyway. Hold on a second. KD5 PCK, Four Seasons. I thought we were going to hear about crawfish shrimp crab and oyster season
Starting point is 00:58:47 That's different four seasons Fills the coon ass. I'm not so that's on yeah But now Phil I I think I think I got one for you that I actually I think I know who that is Nice yeah, that's our that's our patron that didn't know when the when we streamed Is that I'm pretty sure that's a call sign oh Yeah, well we could find out pretty easy. That's that stuff is registered and you can get you can Google up the list So your question is how do we make hard men in good times? You have to allow children to fail or succeed on their own merits.
Starting point is 00:59:29 You have to. I was allowed to fail often, repeatedly, sometimes painfully. And you look at my friends, yeah, we were right. I look at the people that I know growing up who were not allowed to fail, who were kept from failure for the sake of their safety. They are not as confident, they are not as capable, and they are not as striving for success. I'll go with that.
Starting point is 01:00:02 I also think another very important recipe is, or another important, uh, Oh God, I'm drawing a freaking blanket. Haven't even been drinking. Um, another maybe you need to start ingredient in this. Ah, yes. There you go. Is I think it is important that parents model and teach children the value of sacrifice. I think it absolutely I think it is important to like, for a parent to model this and to try to show their children that like, look, if you if you sacrifice this, you get this later. If you don't, then you miss out on that like, to try to reinforce the idea that this very basic tenant, which has been life as far as I'm concerned, of like, look, the whole world works like this. Either you can have one today, or you can have two tomorrow. There will always be those people who choose a bird in the hands better than two in the bush. I want the one right. Sure. But your goal is to
Starting point is 01:01:05 teach children, teach your children, teach younger people about the value of saving, the value of sacrifice. In psychological terms, the technical term is defer gratification. It's like, this would be really fun or feel really good. But if I defer gratification, I can have more later. fun or feel really good. But if I defer gratification, I can have more later. Absolutely. And I think that that is like a great lesson to teach young people because it is the foundation for saving it is the foundation for, you know, for like giving up hanging out with the friends to go work. It is the foundation for I want to I want to watch YouTube, but I need study for this test. I feel like that is the foundation by on which you build so many of these other life skills is the idea that like if you sacrifice today, you can profit from it tomorrow and if you don't, then you don't have tomorrow.
Starting point is 01:01:58 Right. Then you have nothing to profit from tomorrow. You know, tomorrow. Right. Then you have nothing to profit from tomorrow. You know, uh, KD five PCK says live like no one else now so you can live like no one else later. Dave Ramsey, you know, I disagree with Dave Ramsey on a, on a few points, but on that one, he is correct. If you, if you do not, or if you choose to live like the average American does, up to your eyeballs in debt, very little savings, very little retirement, you are going to live like the average retired person that did that when they retire.
Starting point is 01:02:35 You're going to be stuck in your house with nothing, living on social security and only that. Or you can live like the people that planned to be around that long and you can be going on cruises four times a year. I mean, I could always haul out the old story of the ant and the grasshopper, but that might be a little too on the nose. But I mean, that's honestly like a fair way
Starting point is 01:03:01 to kind of phrase this all up is at the end of the day, I cannot remember who said it. And I always kick myself for not being able to remember these really impactful quotes that stuck with me over the years, but you know there somebody once told me they said that the proportion of people who are impoverished that are impoverished because of a lack of that are impoverished because of a lack of earning potential, is far away by the people who are impoverished because of poor habits. And when they said poor habits, it was a play on words.
Starting point is 01:03:34 It was a double entendre, because it was poor habits being like bad habits, but also poor habits being these are the habits of poor people and that's why they're poor. Because these are the people who, if you do things that poor people and that's why they're poor. Because these are the people who, if you do things that poor people do, you stay impoverished. And this is also something I've kind of heard echoed by Dave Ramsey since he's been brought up. And I admit some of the things he's on about, I'm not 100% in agreeance with, but he's, he's right often enough that I feel like he's
Starting point is 01:04:00 a good place for that person who's just getting into financial literacy to like, oh, you could start here. There are worse places to start. If you apply his rules as intended, it will be helpful for a large number of people, but you can also vary. You can also use different strategies and get further. True. Like there is such a thing as good debt. There is such a thing as constructive debt.
Starting point is 01:04:28 There is. I know he's a absolutely no debt person. Okay, that's fine. You know, if you want to be like that, but I probably would not be able to, while renting, put together the 200k for a house so the one the one place not have that well but here's thing the one place I agree with him about and this is something Caleb hammer who's another another content creator does a lot of stuff in financial space if anyone
Starting point is 01:04:59 hasn't watched this stuff you should he's entertaining if nothing else he's definitely entertaining and and my God, the interest rates, some people are willing to pay. The highest one I've seen from his show is 527%. Yes. Payday loans is a bitch. Do not get in that cycle. But the thing, one thing that Caleb says very often
Starting point is 01:05:19 is he tells people like, and I think I've heard Dave Ramsey say too, is you're not a credit card person. Yeah, well, this is why I agree with Dave saying no debt, no debt, no debt, no debt. Sure. There are some people that cannot manage debt. And that's the problem is that if it's like it's like telling a person who has a drinking problem, you can never drink
Starting point is 01:05:39 again for the rest of your life. Now, is that person literally going to die if they have a single supervised sip of alcohol and are not allowed to have anything else Probably not but the problem is in the real world your own device in the real world left to their own devices They cannot control it and the I believe that the average person is like that with debt. So in that in the with that I Understand where you're coming from and I think I also understand where he's coming from. And his point of view is, is that, like, you wouldn't be on my show talking to me about how do I get myself out of debt, if you could control debt and make reasonable decisions about
Starting point is 01:06:17 what's good debt versus correct debt, you wouldn't be here today. So if you're here, the answer is you cannot handle debt. It's like if you go to AA, if you go to AA, you cannot have a glass of wine at your uncle's wedding. Clearly, clearly you cannot stop yourself. You cannot control your behavior. And because of that, you need to avoid the things
Starting point is 01:06:40 that cause you to lose control of your behavior. Fair enough. But he does make some kind of absolutist statements about debt and the population generally. the things that cause you to lose control of your behavior. Fair enough. But he does make some kind of absolutist statements about debt and the population generally that no one should be using debt that I disagree with. I think that if you show that you cannot use debt... Hahaha! Katie5pck says,
Starting point is 01:07:03 Good debt equals my wife. I will say that I tell my spouse regularly that she is by far the most expensive habit I have. Like, sometimes I think crack would have been less addictive and probably cheaper at the end of the day. But I don't know about, I don't know about. Bro, I bought a house because of her I mean I would have still bought a house but it definitely wouldn't have been this nice of a house that's my point I would have lived it would have been a way nicer garage though dude I would have lived in a friggin van by the river I mean before it was popular no I probably would have been probably would
Starting point is 01:07:42 have been living in the office above an Industrial building that I had turned into a workshop your terms are acceptable. I Would have bought a multi-car garage to hide a car collection and then lived in a conic hot in the corner Yes But hats are acceptable furniture. Yes, very comfortable until you get to 42. Oh man, you should I should see if I still have a picture of my first house before my wife moved in compared to my for my house currently. Oh, post getting married. There's a lot more furniture.
Starting point is 01:08:22 Yes. Pretty sure it was a mattress on the floor, a food ton, and a 50 inch TV on the wall. I mean, look, it doesn't even think I had a table. It doesn't take much to keep men entertained and happy. We're pretty, we're pretty cool with austerity. I'm fairly certain my table was saw horses and or a couple of five gallon buckets and a plank across it for a hot minute. I mean, you could have gone.
Starting point is 01:08:46 You could have scoped out construction sites until you found one of those big old wooden wire spools, the round ones. Oh, yeah. Those made we used all those for paintball bunkers, though. They were much more useful for that. That's fair. That's fair. But yeah, I don't know. I mean, this was an episode I wanted to bat around because ever since I stopped in on track and he dropped it on me like harmless men I was like oh my god that's gotta be an episode but oh it's perfect.
Starting point is 01:09:13 You know it it absolutely is. Yeah, but it kind of it kind of got me down this road of like, okay, I see the problems developing I see people who are not bringing the things to the societal table that I believe that biologically they are kind of predisposed and predetermined to bring to the table if we're going on like, you know, a thousand person averages. Like, I understand there's that one lady out there that can put foot to ass and that one dude out there who can handle classroom kids. My hat's off to both y'all. But like on the average, congratulations, I can do it on the averages. Our skill sets just lend ourselves to different things. And you got to give me that as an, you got to give me that as a generalization or nothing works.
Starting point is 01:09:55 But I think to myself, I'm like, okay, what do we do when things don't work out that way? What do we do? When what do we do? When the society around us is breeding people who just cannot function, who can't see a way out of their circumstances other than the mountain of debt that you and I both know leads nowhere good. And it doesn't have a good end point. You have to insulate yourself from the external situations.
Starting point is 01:10:27 That's all you can do. And that's what I think preparedness is, it's extra insulation from the impacts from society. Whether that's an emergency fund, whether that's extra food, whether it's a good spare tire in your car. Yeah. in your car. Yeah, I also worry about, but see me have me having a child, I also worry about the world that I'm sending her out into. Because, because I will be the first to admit, I, as I'm sure you have, as have many other people have had that moment of frustration and aggravation at the world around us. And we've just said, God, I can't wait till this
Starting point is 01:11:04 all burns to the ground. Like, usually, it's a Monday morning when I'm going into the office and I'm about to have to deal with nine hours of bureaucratic nonsense. And I just think to myself, I'm like, when can we have a zombie apocalypse and everybody starts eating each other? Like, can we start that today? So I don't have to go through five more days of this nonsense? But at the same time I'm very quick to like kick myself in the button be like I don't want my daughter to grow up in that world where everything is burning and No one I know that has kids wants their kids to inherit the world that is on fire Which brings me to these moments of time where I start thinking Okay, how do we unscrew
Starting point is 01:11:45 this situation? And we, we, we as a society start teaching people things they're really, really going to need to make it through life so that the world doesn't burn one kid at a time, man. One kid at a time. That's that's, that's unfortunately the answer is you fix it one kid at a time. You can't fix other people's kids because chances are by the time you're interacting with them, they're beyond the point of being properly socialized and not turning out into little hellions. I will also just as we go to close show out. I'll also recount something that I
Starting point is 01:12:26 Heard recently and I couldn't tell you where I'm I'm gonna attempt quoted. It was something to the effect of like Somebody was talking about how this this next generation Jen Jen Z going into Jen Alpha, which is like I think my daughter's like right on the cusp. She's just barely Jen Alpha but somebody was making a note, like noticing about that generation that age that age range and they were like, you know, these kids grew up with with tablets in their faces. They're they're anxious, they're weak, they have no social skills, they have no life skills, they have no practical skills, they don't know how to do anything, their parents don't teach them how to do anything.
Starting point is 01:13:04 And if your kid is not any of those things, like if you have, if you have that kid that you've taught life skills to, you've talked to them, you've tried to raise them right, they're going to road march all over the rest of their generation because they will be the one in the bunch who's got their crap together in a sea, in a sea of kids who can't write a job who can't fill out a job application. Yours will be who can't conduct themselves in a job interview yours without mommy sitting next to yours will be the one who sits in that chair and looks there there soon to be boss dead in the eye and answers yes sir no sir yours will be the one in a sea of
Starting point is 01:13:44 of resumes that are written like an eighth grader wrote them yours will be the one in a sea of resumes that are written like an eighth grader wrote them. Yours will be the one who's got a resume that's written like an adult wrote it. And it stuck with me and it was this idea that like, okay, I can't fix everybody else's kids. We know that. I know that rationally. I get it. I okay. But I can make sure that my kid is fully prepared to kick the ass of the rest of her generation. Because that's something I can deal with. It's like I have told people many times. The reason you cannot afford the lifestyle you want is not because minimum
Starting point is 01:14:19 wage is too low. It's not because you're not paid enough. It's because you're not willing to work as hard as the people that can't afford it Okay, you know when when me and my wife were buying this house There were some there were a couple of people in our friend group that were pretty mad about their housing situation They were stuck in an apartment and they were they were pissed That I was buying another house. I was buying a bigger house, a nicer house. These were also the same people that were working at the time like 30 hours a week part-time. The same place that they've been working since they left high school. Nothing wrong with
Starting point is 01:15:00 maintaining the same job, but it wasn't really a career field where you're going to make good money and they're not even working full time. At the time I was working 65 hours a week plus two side hustles and I told them, you're not ever, no matter how high the minimum wage goes, going to be able to outbid me because I'm willing to work twice as much as you are. And I will bid twice as high as you can. This sounds very similar to something I heard a long time ago that said, there's three ways, get ahead in life. You can be born lucky and we weren't, you can be born rich and we weren't,
Starting point is 01:15:38 or you can be willing to work twice as hard for twice as long. And if you're willing to work twice as hard, twice as long. And if you're willing to work twice as hard, twice as long, you will beat everybody else because you're just willing to outwork them. Persistence beats talent most of the time. Consistency beats luck. It does. Yep.
Starting point is 01:16:00 And you can apply that wherever you want as we walk this out the door. It's 8.45 PM. I have to haul my sorry ass out of this house at four five to get up at four 15 in the morning and haul my sorry ass out of here at 450 in the morning to go to work. Hey, I get to sleep until four 30 tomorrow morning. So I'm pretty happy about that. I've been getting up at three 30 the rest of this week.
Starting point is 01:16:24 Yeah, I really can't complain too much about having to wake up at the crack of dawn, but it is a little weird. I've been up before dawn and it's July. It is a it is a little odd though, because like it's the summer, which means my wife and daughter have been off all summer and I've been like, you know, going to work. Matter of fact, I work I work from home today because we had a nice tropical depression pulling through and they want everybody to stay off the roads, which I think was reasonable. That's fair.
Starting point is 01:16:53 But less chance of problems and you have the luxury to work from home sometimes. Yeah. So you might as well take advantage of it on the bad days. Yeah. But it was interesting to it was interesting to be here when everybody started waking up and moving around Because normally the only person 945 the only person that's awake when I get up is the cat She's nocturnal It'll happen with cats yeah All right
Starting point is 01:17:22 Let's go ahead and punch this in out the door to the nine people that stuck with us throughout the whole stream, including our one problem child who doesn't know when the stream is for those of you who are listening to this in audio, if you like, catch this live, it streams on YouTube, on Facebook and on rumble 7 30 PM central on Thursdays, 7 30 PM central on Thursdays. If you do not live in the central time zone, you have to do math or Google it. And if you cannot use Google or do math, we need to have a discussion. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:17:56 And it, and if we are going to be missing a week, we will try to let you guys know ahead of time. Yeah. Occasionally as we come into hurricane season, Phil may have a day we have to skip. Yeah, I mean that that does happen occasionally. Hey man, hurricanes happen it's thunderstorm season here in the Midwest. We're lucky last week's episode was able to go up because before that we had lost power twice while I was trying to make chicken nuggets. It was just a mess. Fun times. All right. Matter of fact, going out the door. Good night, everybody. Stay out of trouble. Take care of your families and oh, Jesus Christ. We're literally rolling out and
Starting point is 01:18:33 Stuart says, I'm here. Start over. Can't can't do it. I have to get up at 430. We're done. Bruh. Rewind the stream. Talk to y'all next week. Bye everybody. So Thanks for watching!

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