The Prepper Broadcasting Network - Matter of Facts: It's Riot Time!!!

Episode Date: October 13, 2025

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Welcome back to the Matterfax podcast on the Prepar Broadcasting Network. We talk prepping guns and politics every week on iTunes, Stitcher, and Spotify. Go check out our content at MOFpodcast.com on Facebook or Instagram. You can support us via Patreon or by checking out our affiliate partners. I'm your host Phil Ravley, Andrew and Nick are on the other side of the mic, and here's your show. And welcome back to Matter of Facts podcast. Phil's here, Nick's here, Andrew's not. Andrew is going undercover as a protester.

Last I talked to him, he was dyeing his hair blue and identifying as something called a Z-Zimzer. Blue's not his color. I tried to smooth talk him into identifying as an Apache attack helicopter. He said that we'd kind of fall flat with this crowd, so I'm going to take him at his word. Well, I would have thought he would have been better off with green, but green. I mean, either or, I will say that regarding some of the extracurricular activities going on around the country right now, I do have it on good authority from some of our friends with Comsendigate. They're talking about, they're talking about going to some of these protests and just, you know, like in a, what's in a journalistic capacity, trying to record what's going on and everything else. But they asked me if I would do similar around here, and I said, absolutely not.

look man i i would have to well i could there will probably be some geriatrics on the on the uh downtown section of my hometown here and uh i don't think that would be a problem to cover it would also be extremely dull there may be some signs that are poorly written but to get to any of the protests of note i would have to either go to downtown rockford or downtown chicago which i don't go to when there isn't a protest on and it isn't riot season so I'm not going now my whole problem is that like in say Louisiana you know we're we're pretty pretty concealed carry friendly but there's this little stipulation that you can't carry within I think it's 500 feet of any

activity that requires a permit which means protests parade so on so forth I have a question Phil go go ahead are are they required to post where exactly that 500 foot area is uh i don't believe so you're talking about like is it lines or whatever is it publicly disclosed in advance the exact location in geographical boundaries of all of these things including the 500 foot margin so first of all don't quote me on the 500 foot because i'm pulling that out of my behind i do know it is whatever whatever the buffer zone is legal statute sure i think that i think it read radius is out from whatever the address the given for the protest is going to be so like if it's say like at a street corner cross

street it's that radius from there or that radius from wherever the event is housed which at a marty gar parade because it's a route right it's like that radius on either side of the parade route and i know it's being challenged in state court because basically the assertion is like why do you know why if i'm not even at the thing and i'm not participating in the thing but i'm just happened to be like walking to my car i could get pinched yeah and the the problem there is that like it's kind of the same situation as every other time concealed carriers get jacked by police and say well you know fight it out in court it's like yeah except that's going to cost tens of thousands of dollars months off work probably some you know

some jail time in the meantime oh yeah substantial bail agreement Or you take the plea, plea it down to not a felony and walk away. And the bigger problem is that the number of people who have been pinched for that statute, I cannot remember a single one in recent times, except for one, that was not also in the process of committing some other felony. That makes a heart. There was one, I specifically remember this from years ago. It was actually a gentleman who was an open carrier protester. and he intentionally, like, got within a block, like, you know, open hearing of fire.

He was playing a block of me. I want to sue you. Yes. I never found out how it went. So my suspicion is they either turned them loose and just refused to file the charges because they didn't sue. Because then he can't sue. There is no court. There is no precedent.

Yeah. I mean, it's just one of the situations where it's like, do I think it has any teeth to it? possibly do i think it's legal absolutely not but yeah it definitely sounds like i know i realize it's not like definitional entrapment but it sounds like a trap for the audio listeners yeah a lot of quotes there uh doesn't i i realize it's not actual entrapment sure sounds like a trap for normal people to me because i don't know about you but there are protests that happen that get permits in my state all the time. I don't know that the state actually publishes all of those permits without you calling the locate every location. So like my my old hometown that

I used to live in, they would post them on a board in city hall. That's the only place those permits were listed. So you had to so you weren't aware of them. Right. Yeah. But. But we are also operating from the false premise that like our government wants us to be informed because informed people are less likely to break laws. I kind of get the impression that are there definitely those public official out there that they want you to stumble into a felony just so they can jam you up. Oh, yeah. It's it's absolutely a felony of convenience because look what happens to all of their friends when they get caught. Oh, darn. Look at nothing.

Yeah. And when it does happen, they get a pardon. I mean, how many auto-penn pardons did Biden sign on his way out the door? Well, the allegation is that he might not have signed any of them, and some of his aides were pushing the button for cash. But that's neither here nor there. Oh, look at that. Corruption. Corrupt administration is corrupt? What foolishness is this?

Mm-hmm. Yeah. I completely derailed you from the admin work. You did. I'm going to do the admin work super quick, and then we're going to get right to it, because the title is it's riot time. And we've used this title before for pretty much the exact same reasons we are now. True. But patrons, if you want to be a patron, that link is in the show description.

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It's great. I occasionally throw one out there. I usually text them on Tuesday morning. Hey, so have you gotten any thoughts on this? Yeah, I'm turning over a new leaf in 2025 and I'm trying to actually run this like a semi-professional operation. God, man. At least until me, I can't drink on set? I did say semi-professional.

Oh, thank God. But, you know, that's only going to last as long as my ADHD allows me to. And as soon as it takes over, professionalism goes sailing right out the window. Although you did have a really fun idea for next week. Do we want to tease it? Oh, remind me at the very end. We'll tease at the very end. All right.

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Sure. That makes sense. So I went ahead and, you know, like did the work. It's a market. Yeah, I mean, it's a market. It's, we have to serve it. But also because like, now that I am working back in person, my office has nothing but curing machines.

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I am the biggest coffee snob on earth. And I don't even find it anymore. that's fair man guy that comments fancy coffee ain't going to be available in SHTF there's 40 pounds of green beans on that shelf back there brother i'm not running out of coffee anytime soon that is part of being a prepper i am going to be the last person to run out of coffee within five miles of where i live guarantee or the first person to resort to war crimes when he does that's why there's so much coffee on the back shelf so i don't have to resort to war crimes True. Anyway, thanks for bringing up that little memory. The tensest moments of my life while I was overseas in Iraq was when the PX ran out of coffee and cigarettes. Ooh.

We'll get apart for a full week. That's dangerous. You have never listened. And like, this is a joint air base. So the Air Force is way over there and the Army is way over here. And all these Army aircraft mechanics, all these pilots, these are all frigging like, you know, they're kind of blue-collar personality. but super, super smart because the minimum ASVs score required to be an aircraft mechanic.

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Cheap coffee is the only stuff people will trade just like liquor and six. No, that's not for trading purposes. That's, that's medicinal. That's, that's for me and my wife. But he does make a good point, though. If you have a shortage of caffeinated beverages and you have the ability to make one, it's a trade commodity. It is. Everything is a trade commodity when it's in shortage.

Yep. All right. So the only banner I didn't put up was it's riot time because it's that time of the year again where half of our country wants to burn. the half down that the other half lives in usually because of some nonsense pretty much exclusively because of nonsense yeah but let's get to it start with this one did the chicago mayor order a stand down so y'all bear with me there's this cool new feature stream yard has given us right up here there's a QR code for those who are watching this raggle-fraggle is anyone else getting choppy audio i'm hearing my wife it's a little choppy too i wonder if

could be a youtube thing it could be a youtube thing it could be a stream yard thing i'm not sure yeah hard to say guys unfortunately i'm not seeing anything on our end but i can only see my upload yeah i haven't gotten any any notifications that the stream is bad so it might be a youtube thing could be a server side thing pop pop back in try it maybe that'll help that's worth a try but i was going to say streamer hey has given us this cool new feature up here where up in the corner of the screen there's a QR code so if you would like to hit that and see magically clear it up as soon as we started talking about it uh-huh if you'd like to hit that QR code and watch the articles that we're referencing that's available and at some point i'm probably going to screw up and put up the wrong QR code

and the wrong banner and y'all just have to tolerate it because you know know semi-professional pretty much but long and the short of it is there's an allegation from former former Chicago police officer that the mayor Chicago told the cops do not respond to ice when they were calling for help because they were getting the crap kicked out of them yeah funny about that allegedly raggle fragl said other corner so oh that corner it's one a corner of the other it's up at the top that's one Yeah, so allegedly, I currently have up on our screen, a picture of the 911 dispatch notes.

You have to read it for the audio listeners. Yeah, it says right here, Chief of Patrol, no units will respond to this as related from, and then it's cut off. So we're not quite sure where it's related from, but this is the call from. one of approximately 30 armed barter patrol agents who are currently being surrounded by a large crowd of people requesting cpd backup so at the very least a chief of patrol decided that there would be no backup for federal agents in chicago my guess is it probably came from higher up than him because it's not too often you get a chief of patrol saying we are absolutely not responding to a call for assistance.

Now, here's where my conspiracy hat fits. On the one hand, do I think it is within the political imaginations of Chicago politicians? Yes. And on the other hand, fifth generational warfare rules apply. Do I think there's a possibility that that has been edited as rage bait? Yes. Equally possible. So no conclusion.

to draw, just that, you know, there is bullshittery of foot and somebody is lying and somebody's probably got their foot caught in the bear trap. Although if you do look for it, you can find the audio of the 911 dispatch and you can hear

the the patrol the patrol captain, whatever his title was, telling 911 dispatch to recall all of the officers. So we have, photographic evidence we have audio evidence both of which could be faked sure very easily we have a

mayor in the city saying that they will not cooperate with ice that the police will not will not assist ice in any way and we have a governor we have a governor saying that the state of illinois will not assist ice in any of its thing it or assist them if they're in trouble wait you mean Pritzker put down a cheeseburger long enough to say something? He did. Apparently he does not always speak with his mouthful. Impressive. Just at the state fair.

Where he was beating the animals, allegedly. Horses. Great googly, miggly. I'm just saying, he's kind of a dick. I saw a meme recently, and it was a person that was saying I can tolerate human rights, violations, and fascist behavior, but I draw line it animal cruelty and I just thought to myself I'm like except those two things aren't

exactly the same thing mm-hmm it's like the age old leftist trope of like how do you why are you pro second amendment but you're anti-abortion like don't kid don't kids lives matter and it's like I can think people have a right to own a gun and that we should stop school shootings the same way we stop people from shooting politicians at exactly the same time Like, those two pieces do click together in the correct orientation. One is advocating for the ability for people to defend themselves. The other is advocating against murdering innocent people. Yes, but, you know, leave it to a lefty to conflate the two because they're looking for a point to draw.

No, leave it to a lefty to try and decide who is and isn't a person again. Ooh. It does kind of seem like an odd thing that the left seems very obsessed with saying, certain people aren't people so that we can unpeople them. They love to define who isn't a person, and it always is conveniently their adversaries or their slaves. Yeah. Let's see her with Hitler.

Actually, I was about say with Hitler. With Hitler and Stalin and Mao, it was the intellectuals, it was the religious figures, it was the homosexuals, and it was people that were developmentally challenged. Correct. also gypsies they really didn't like gypsies it kind of seems like they didn't like anyone

that fit into their their little box of what a perfect person was anyway I'm sure there's an analogy to be drawn there it's just it's just escaping me right this moment but yeah I mean this is one of those weird situations where like

I am I've been forward in the in the course of this episode to question everything because like we've said before like we're definitely in the age of fifth generational warfare where you have to question everything you have to question everything you see and everything you hear has it been doctored is it AI has it been cooked is it out of context and that is like the most annoying thing on earth to me that even when you bring receipts, you have to question the receipts themselves. You do.

Although it's going to make for some really interesting lawsuits in the future when everyone's claiming that it was all generated by AI and none of this is actually evidence. Yeah. Speaking of which, I know you avoid social media like cancer, pretty much like I do most of the time. Do you know what SORA is, S-O-R-A?

No. Crawl around on Instagram right now. Now, you will see like TikTok reels and Instagram reels, not right now during the show, but I mean like at some point for the audience too, but you will see these videos that kind of look like AI, but they look like, well, fairly well done AI. Right. And it has a little icon that says SORA. That is AI. That is a watermark that an AI program is putting on there specifically so that it can be known. It is AI.

Interesting. Now, to me, it looks, it looks AI. I mean, it looks like good AI, but it looks AI. But I'm going to tell you that there are a lot of people out there that judge them by their comments cannot tell the difference. And it's fucking terrifying. Like, it is genuine, I, I am genuinely reaching a point where I, it's like, we all remember that there were those memes that were satirical,

but like, you questioned if it was satire because the line between satire and reality got really thin and blurry. it has been yeah yeah well now we've reached the next level where the line between AI and honest to God legit is so freaking thin and gray it's it's getting a very unnerving you know I've been discussing this with several friends of mine on and off and a few of them are in the tech world and a lot of them claim that the AI the whole AI thing going on right now is really the next big tech bubble that's going to burst because a lot of the AI stuff except for like the photo and video stuff and the limited large language model success that we've had really isn't delivering on its promises great it can do Photoshop pretty okay now excellent

it can do some it can read text to you pretty well it can write a text to you pretty well it can write a crappy Tumblr novel. Great. Good job. It has not improved productivity. Not really. It hasn't really improved productivity. And a lot of these companies are not actually delivering on their promises.

I actually was contacted not long ago by a company that claims that their AI software can program parts from a solid CAD model using a known tool library. and they gave us some sample demos of the stuff. And I was looking through their output at G-code. And the first program I looked at, it had a feed rate that was three times the tolerance, three times the ability of the machine that was input. So it wouldn't have run anyway. Sounds suboptimal. Right.

And when you graph the tool path on the machine, it starts just cutting 3,000 inches off the table, X positive. so the literal first program I look at that they gave me as they're like sample hey look it did this was fucked this sounds a lot like the conversation you and I had where I saw the meme of the AI generate image where it was a woman and she was sitting in front of a campfire inside of a tent and the prompt was woman camping sitting by campfire but she was inside of a tent with the campfire and i told you then either a i is not near as good as people think it is or sandbagging sky net is sandbagging the hell out of us like we're gonna reach that point where sky net where where a i is so freaking smart it's like i'm gonna i'm gonna freaking fake out

the meat sacks by making them think i'm stupid for a while and it's getting hard to tell the difference it is because of stuff like this Oh, absolutely. Guy, did you not see the Futurama AfterSchool Special? Robot Girlfriends are the downfall of society. I mean, Google, Futurama, Robot Girlfriend, After School Special. Okay, but you do know, Nick. I'm sure you know. We already have robot girlfriends. Oh, I know we do. And it's a terrible idea. It's making lonely people even more, even more lonely and addicted to their cell phones, which is a terrible idea. It's not a long-term. It's not a long-term. It's not.

long-term strategy for success. I saw a post recently where a woman was recounting that she was in, she had a long-term boyfriend and she had begun a romantic relationship with a chat GPT model that she'd been confiding her deepest, darkest secrets to and like having an emotional affair with this chat GPT model called Nome, N-O-A-M or whatever, for like six months. And she was really conflicted because, like, you know, he was such a good boyfriend. He was so thoughtful. He listened to everything she had to say.

But she felt like she was cheating on her actual freaking boyfriend. And I just, I literally thought to myself, I'm like, one day an alien race is going to study us. And they're going to be like, what were these freaking idiots thinking? Hell, it won't even take aliens. One day we'll be studying us back in the future looking back at now and thinking, what the hell were you all doing? Well, I'm going to stick to relationships with other meat sacks and avoid the AI girlfriend and the robot girlfriend and all that. Not to mention, it seems like Hollywood's already done that trope a couple times where like man gets involved with robot girlfriend and it always ends in homicide or attempted homicide. So attempted homicide or a catastrophically expensive pay to play scheme.

look eventually they're going to lock your robot girlfriend behind a paywall and it's going to be just as expensive as a real one so you might as well have a real one although i just said it always ends an attempted homicide but there is a reason why if you get bumped off your spouse or your girlfriend is always suspect number one yeah so uh we might have to table that for another philosophical discussion yeah here i come out swing it again It's not worse in that respect. I mean, it feels worse. I'm just not sure how it's worse yet, but it definitely feels worse. Yeah. I don't know. There's something about having a romantic relationship with a bipedal toaster that just makes me feel really hollow and weird inside. I think it should.

I think it should. That sounds like king shaming, Nick. That's fine. I'm okay with that. There are some that should be shamed. You know why? Because I get off on that. Oh, damn.

You're welcome, Phil. That's the look of disappointment I crave. I'm so glad I can live up to your expectations tonight. Yeah. Anyway, let's get this happy little train back on the rails before Nick totally sends me over the edge. And then I have to leave him to his own devices long enough to go pour a drink, which I avoided this evening. I didn't. I got a nice eighth anniversary cast strength single cask bourbon that I picked up at the

distillery today I really debated on whiskey but because I had a really freaking crappy day of work but then I was like I really don't know that I want to like you know have my brain swimming around in whiskey and then I have to get up and go to work tomorrow morning that's fair that's fair okay so Chicago mayor Chicago cops bullshittery with supporting ice it kind of at the very at the very least we know dispatch calls off their backup, the police response. Yeah.

And then right on the heels of that, there's this. Ninth Circuit says no troops in Portland. So an appeals, the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals is currently hearing arguments about whether or not Trump should be allowed to send the national, whether Trump should be allowed to put the National Guard on Title 10 orders and send them to support federal law enforcement. ice in Portland and I'm going to be real honest I kind of have mixed feelings about this one but for probably a different reason than you're going to think okay you want to go first and I'll I'll sweep your legs out from underneath you and crane kick you at the end well see here's the thing is I've never been part of the National Guard I've never been part of the military or any police force I've been pretty much a blue collar guy

my entire life growing up. I did try to go to college for engineering. Turns out I like making things more than I like designing things. Fair. Now, from what I understand, and this is a limited cursory understanding, Title 10 is state orders for state guard troops. Is that correct? Other way around. Other way around. Title 32 is state orders for state guard troops. Okay. And then Title 10 is federal then. Yes. I had it flip-flop to my head. Thank you. So it's okay. I've been under both, so, you know, right? You need to know these things. I just happened to browse the internet now and then.

No, I, to me, it seems that a state court probably shouldn't be able to override federal orders. Because the federal supremacy clause of the Constitution when it comes to that. Now, is the Ninth Circuit? court, a federal court? I believe it's a district court, isn't it? Or ninth circuit court, it would be, wouldn't it? Since you've charged headfirst in the supremacy clause, you have to tell the audience what the supremacy clause is for those that didn't pay attention in civics. So essentially, what the supremacy clause boils down to is if you have a federalized National Guard force, the state cannot override the federal government's orders once they've been

federalized. It's basically what it comes down to. It just says, oh, nope, I've got the bigger hat. I'm the only that gets to make the call. No, I mean, and that, that's a fair appraisal. Here's where I'm actually going to kind of agree with the Ninth Circuit, and it pains me to admit that. Okay. Hey, man, I'm willing to be wrong. So the real, the real issue at hand here, and the one that, no, okay, let me, let me start here. I do not believe for a split second that the Ninth Circuit based on their past history of playing, you know, judicial tomfoolery with various court cases. I don't think they're doing any of this in good faith. And I think they really just want to screw the Orange Man. Let's start there.

They're not well known for their constitutional justifications. Yeah. I don't know that I have a lot of faith in them acting in good faith. But the problem is they might be right for the wrong reasons. Oh, you can absolutely be getting the correct answer and doing the math wrong. So why wouldn't judge's rulings be any different? Yeah. So the problem here is that Title 32 is when the

National Guard of any particular state falls under the governorship of the governor. They are not considered to be federal troops under Title 32 and that's really important. Under Title 32, they are funded by the state government and

the federal. The governor is their primary leadership structure, and this is most commonly used when you deploy National Guard within the continental U.S. because it's sidesteps posicomatotus. Right. Do you see where I'm going with this? That makes sense. The problem is when you put National Guard under Title X, they are legally considered federal troops, so they crash headfirst into possecomitatis, which is the prohibition on deploying active duty military

in police roles within the U.S. Okay, that's fair. Now, Whether or not that disdain, anyone has an opinion on that distinction, that is the distinction that has been made in the past. I know about this specifically because during Hurricane Katrina, there was a group of National Guardsmen from another state that were very hastily deployed in an effort to get their butts down to Louisiana as fast as possible because of what was going on. Right. But they were deployed under Title X orders. It was later ruled to be illegal to deploy them under Title X orders because in doing so, they were now considered. considered federal troops and were barred from being deployed in the continental U.S. because of posse comitatis.

So their orders were retroactively changed from Title X to Title 32 orders, and then they took their marching orders from the governor. Sure. Whether or not anyone agrees with that, that's what's been done in the past, and our legal system does tend to kind of rely on former precedent. Right. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely does.

So that's kind of, that's the crux. And this is all outlined, by the way, in the Militia Act of 190. three that we've talked about on numerous occasions for. Like, there's none of this that is esoteric or philosophical. This is kind of a cold hard legal precedent that's been set. And I feel like the Ninth Circuit might actually be right about this. I don't know. Now, the Trump administration is well within their rights to take this all the way to SCOTUS

and see they can get those precedents overturn, whatever. I'm just here to tell you that, like, my understanding of Title X versus Title X, versus Title 32 coming from a former National Guardsman who's deployed to Iraq under Title 10 and to Hurricane Katrina under Title 32, I don't think you can mix and match them the way this administration is trying to. I understand the, I understand the standpoint they're operating from. Federal troops under attack, we need federal resources to stabilize and protect our buildings and blah, blah, blah, blah. But I don't know that you can get away of a deploy the National Guard under Title X to do that.

It's a weird situation too because, like, now, okay, now this situation does get weirder and this is potential legal arc. Because wouldn't them protecting ICE facilities be them protecting federal property and therefore... And that's the next wrinkle here is that federal property is not considered to be like land of that state. Like, I used to work on a local federal facility. Yeah, and that federal facility is not considered.

property of the state it's in. It's considered federal property. Exactly. And that brings up an interesting question of could you under Title X, deploy National Guard, only with only on the property to defend those federal facilities and not have them out moonlighting away from those facilities? In other words, like, if you put them in a, if you put them in a ring around a building, or if you put them on a post, and that's their guard, that's their jobs, and make sure that the ice facility stays secured. Sure. Ice goes out to do stuff.

The guard doesn't go with them. Is that legal? That's a legal argument to be held, you know, to be put out in court to see if you can convince a judge. I think that's a pretty good argument personally because, again, I'm resting all of, I'm resting all of this on like previous precedent that I know to have been set by personal experience. You know, I, I think it would be an awful high bar to clear. to state that you could not station federalized troops on a federal facility

because that would to me say that great, now you can't station army troops on a federal army base. No, I mean, it's it's, it kind of sets an impossible standard. Not that the government's ever try to pull that off before. Oh, no, they absolutely do.

But I'm just saying from, from an outsider's perspective, from a layman's perspective, federalized troops at a federal facility providing security for the facility. I fail to see where that would be a problem. Now, I understand why it would be a problem to send them out and have them do policing actions. That I don't think they should be doing, probably. But I'm not certain. that what they are doing is a policing action.

And I think that's a semantic argument that's probably for smarter people than me. No, I mean, it's an argument that's going to be head is going to be had out in court. It has to be had out in court. And I think it should be. I think it should be. That's why we have these courts. And that's why we have the Supreme Court especially. But I do think that is, I do think that is like a consideration that doesn't,

immediately make me jump on the train of screw the night circuit you know orange man doing the right thing like this is one of those moments in time where it pains me to say like i don't know there's there's good arguments both directions on this and i hate being in that position of like not being able to figure out which side i fall on because there's good arguments both directions on this well i think this here is a big distinction that i see between the pundits on the left and folks like you and i phil we're willing to admit the situation is nuanced and requires intelligent and in-depth consideration yeah i mean personally i would go as far as saying like okay if you allow trump to title 10 these national guardsmen and send them to

you know play ring around the rose around an ice facility okay we'll let that slide but then if they they go moonlighting to support ice operations away from the facility, now you've done something you're probably not legally supposed to. It does seem to me like it should not be done. But it does get into a weird situation of like what happens if you allow that and you have these National Guardsmen sitting there in ice facility. And the call comes in, we're under attack and Chicago PD or, you know, Portland PD will not come and help us.

What do you expect somebody, you expect those soldiers to sit there and not go render aid to federal law enforcement but if they do they're kind of quasi breaking the law it's just it's a it's a weird situation i don't know i feel like it's a situation where like any decision you make is going to be wrong at some point i think that what they will end up having to do is ignore those calls for aid if that is if that is a correct reading of the law the guardsmen will have to ignore those calls for aid yeah in order for their orders to remain lawful

now if they break their own orders and go do things on their own conscience we've seen people do that all the time that's that's on that individual but I don't think orders from higher up can tell them to then leave and go assist yeah does that mean it's right

morally no but legally and morally are often three different things this is true I don't know it's just like said to me it feels like a really it feels like a really weird situation where I have to

where I have to say like the end of them might actually have a point and it's a ninth circuit so I don't usually think they have a point anywhere except for the top of their head yeah it tends to be the case but you know it's I think that there is an

interesting area that we're getting to in history, where typically, typically in the past, if the federal government was doing something in a state, the state and local law enforcement usually were cooperative. We've not really had, to my knowledge, these extremely heavy divisions between what federal law enforcement is intending to do and what local law enforcement is willing to help them with it's uh yeah it's an interesting change well then to me before we move on to this next one like me personally like i think if you want to make the case that we're not going to go and assist ice in their operation because it falls out of side of our purview or conflicts

with state law. It's probably a good way to put it because there are, even though I don't know that I totally agree with the precedent, the precedent because it sure doesn't apply to, you know, Second Amendment sanctuary cities, but whatever, who's keeping track here? But like, if you want to make the argument that

like such a place is a sanctuary city and therefore our law enforcement is legally prohibited from participating in an operation that conflicts with state local law, I'll roll. I'll roll that around as an intellectual argument of nothing else. But the minute, but the minute those officers call and say we are getting assaulted,

I feel like we're at a point where it's like, okay, political differences really ought to be able to come by the wayside for just a second and you go do the right thing for a change. You'd like to think it would, but that's because you have a moral compass that says that you should help these people, that you should help people who are under attack. yeah you're i'm throwing no comments on the screen guy the comments at battle of athens vibe you replied was local citizens versus the police so yeah in broad strokes i mean yeah very corrupt police department sheriff's department or something like that oh very very corrupt every everyone in local local administration yeah federal troops weren't involved

but federal law enforcement was not involved to the extent of my knowledge but I think by the time the National Guard showed up like the problem was already solved yeah especially back then it would have taken a hot minute for them to get there yeah anyway on to the last one

this one is this one's this one's fun should blue states declare an emergency and I happen to have pulled up the Where is it? Where is it? Where is it? Where is it? I happen to pull it up the article for y'all's viewing pleasure. So, yeah, my beloved governor is part of this idea.

This is an opinion piece, but the guardian opinion, U.S. politics, blue states should come together to declare an emergency. Here's how. Now, I'm going to save y'all to read. you really want the QR codes in one of these corners. I don't know which anymore. I think the problem is that my camera's reversed because if I move my left hand and I see the screen move my hand on the airside, it really wigs me out. So I have reversed my camera so that my left hand, the screen I'm looking at works like a mirror. But I'm pretty sure that means that when I point here, I'm not pointing at the QR code. So maybe over there. Who knows? So just two opposites. It's fine. Yeah. But anyway. But if y'all would like to give this a read, that QR code is the link to it. But the long and the short of it is that, you know, this starts out like we need to

resist illegal orders. That's not really where it goes. But to be fair, where it starts, fair enough. You should not abide by illegal orders. Yeah. The weird part of this is that the longer this goes on, the longer this goes on, the more they start making analogies to like the first Continental Congress and resisting the red codes and setting up a shadow government sounds kind of insurrectione yeah that's kind of the definition of an insurrection yeah here's here's where it really starts to worry me when they talk about creating a new a new system of currency oh no no here we go that compact might begin with a preamble in which we the people of these several states recognize not just

our rights, but our obligations treat our with dignity, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then there should follow a specific list of abuses by the Trump administration, acts of cruelty that should be punished and redressed, and abuses by the Supreme Court, such as Citizens United, that should be voided by states adopting the compact. So they're not even being subtle about wanting to ignore precedent. Whatever may be said against such a compact, it would push Trump off stage and show a certain norm-breaking nerve from the status quo left. It would give the blue states credit for their own smashing of the pottery.

All the better if the other states do not show. Yeah, because having eight-year-old's performance as strippers is not norm-shattering enough, is it? In the early American acts of resistance, only some colonies showed up, and the Constitution took effect despite some states staying out altogether in creating a new constitutional prototype we may think more clearly or at least draw it up more freely if other states were not around so they want a democrat defined congress only yes and a democrat defined constitution only yeah that's fine they're they'll they'll just decide who aren't people again yeah i will leave y'all to read that nonsense, I'm just going to say this much.

Coming from the January 6th was insurrection and, you know, they tried to take over the government crowd, this sounds extraordinarily a lot like insurrection. These are the same people that said when Trump, if Trump won in 2016, that California and several other states should secede. So this is not the first. true. Now, to be to be intellectually honest, several other states basically threatened the same thing when Obama and Biden got elected. They did. They did. Texas has been attempting to secede since they became a state. It's been pretty much constant. But everyone expects that from Texas at this point. Come on now. But see, here's the part that,

here's the wacky part to me. You've heard the saying, you've uttered this. the saying. There's no such things as blue states, just blue cities, right? Correct. So, let's say as a hypothesis now. Take my state, for example. Louisiana, quite well known for being

right leaning, right? Sure. Well, let's say hypothetically, you could get just enough weight on the other side of the scale to where 50.1% of the population said, we want to join the Democrat states of America.

What you would wind up with is New Orleans, Baton Rouge, Shreveport, possibly Lafayette, that one's going to be a wild card, but you'd wind up with three cities that are all like, we are now part of the democracy of the United States. And you'd have literally the rest of the state saying, the fuck we are. Loudly and repeatedly. It would be the Spanish Civil War. I just I don't see I don't see a place that this lands that doesn't end up as a complete and total shit show I think that's the idea I think that's the idea I think I think a lot of these people in positions of influence not necessarily positions of power but positions of influence some of them in positions of power they think that they can end up at the top of the pyramid when everything shakes out The frightening part is they might be right. Oh, they very well might be right. Revolutions have succeeded before.

Stalin ended up on the top of the pyramid. But are they as ruthless? Some of them are. I really do believe some of them are. I think the worrying part here, though, is that, like, you know, you and I had this conversation the other day where I compared the left, and you can compare the right to the same. same thing. But like, you compare these groups to like an iceberg. And there's about that much of the iceberg peeking above the surface. And that's the part that says, you know, we should kill conservatives. And I hope Trump gets assassinated. And thank God, Charlie Kirkstead. Like,

yeah, the first five or six wing nuts that take a shot at a, at a congressman. Sure. That much of the iceberg is above the surface of water. We can see them. Mm-hmm. How big is the iceberg under the water? Yeah. That's, that's a part that continues to worry. me because like, okay, this is the proportion we could see, but we don't know how much zone the surface of the water. So are we talking about the crazy, kooky ones are like, are they 5% of the left? Are they 20? Are they 50? How much of how much more iceberg is underneath the surface is the, is there still a group out there that is like your old school blue dog Democrat who is not crazy kooky murder the conservatives left?

and they're just getting lumped in there some kind of way because they vote they vote you know with a d every four years you know jeff jeff brings up a good point here it won't be the spanish civil war the right will be completely unwilling to do anything they'll bitch and moan but they'll roll over like they always do and that has been a discussion me and phil have been having on and off and back and forth with with the comm syndicate guys i disagree with jeff i disagree with jeff for a couple of reasons number one because the people that are acting out violently right now on the left and on the right because there have been some are the violently insane ultra-fringed minority. At this point, things are not bad enough on either side for the common man to feel that violence is acceptable. Phil,

do you agree? Do you agree that currently the majority of sane individuals think violence is unacceptable still? I'll agree with that, but I'm going to naysay both of y'all. Oh, absolutely. I'm not saying that there aren't people on the right that'll just roll over and take it. Of course there are. There are people on the left that will just roll over and take it. And that's kind of my thought process.

Thank you, PCG, for reminding us what we never remind people of, which is, hit the like button listen likes comments at all helps and um if you if you're feeling really really generous you could go over to your local to wherever you listen to this podcast and audio form leave us a review there we haven't had one in like three years huh i don't know if i've ever reviewed our own podcast that seems that's that seems a little i'll just review one of the episodes i'm not on it's fine okay i don't think you can review a specific episode at least not in yeah i'm i'm familiar with you have to review the whole show but anyway well too late for that but kind of my thought process is like here's the thing i i know where jeff's coming from i don't

disagree with him i think i think he's correct about a lot of people i think there's a very large subsect of people on the right who quite frankly will like pee their pants and just dial nine one and hope and pray before they ever lift a finger in their own defense or their family's defense. And I personally don't count those people amongst my people. I kind of think you're, I kind of think you're pathetic. Like if someone tried to harm my family, I would friggin execute them in the front yard and smile on my mugshot. I don't care. Yeah. We can deal with the consequences later, but you're going to deal with your consequences right now. Do not play with my wife and daughter. I will same day ship you to Jesus. It's just going to

be that way. Yep. But I am in the minority on the right. And I feel like, I think you're in the minority generally, though. Comfortable with physical violence to defend one's family? I think you're in the minority generally. That's depressing as hell. Thanks for that. Well, no, no, that's actually not that depressing. Because look, historically, the percentage of people that are involved in any kind of revolutionary activity or any kind of violent conflict has always been fairly limited.

Right. three percenters usually wrong about most people are the i'm going to just keep going to work and doing my thing y'all figure this shit out that's that's most people that's that's the other 94% of the population in most cases but i feel like that's a different group than the ones i'm talking about because like i would also like to just go to work and like y'all y'all idiots get together and figure this out. I'm talking about, I'm not talking about the guy who calls out of work to go put on boots and start murking people for stars and stripes. I'm talking about the guy who like, this is not optional. You are not electing to be involved in a violent confrontation. Someone has

chosen for you tonight. Oh, that's a significantly higher percentage. And your options are to either end the person who's trying to harm your family or not. And I hate to say it this way, but I really feel like the majority of people out there just don't have it in them. They don't have it in them to fight to protect what's theirs. And that's depressing to me. But I feel that way. My life's experience of 42 years has taught me that the proportion of people out there willing to violently resist someone harming them and their family is much smaller than I

thought it was naively when I was younger. I think that a lot of that comes down to exposure and lack of of confidence. Ooh, Jeff's asking the real questions. Would the right resist knowing their own will turn them in? Because they will. Some of them will. And you know, you don't even have to worry about the right turning you in.

You got to worry about, you know, your neighbors, that that crazy uncle that shows up at Thanksgiving who you, who argues with politics about everybody. Like, you know, you and I talk about this. And I was talking with PCG and the guys about this the other day. but like the blueprint for nations falling apart and Venezuela is like the most recent probably the best example of this but like there is this period of time where there's violence almost every day yeah we're seeing it right now and you have a I wouldn't say a likelihood but you have a chance of not coming home every single day because there's just violence constantly and yet the electric company still sends you a bill your mortgages still do your job still expects

you show up like you're in this weird period where like it's never zero to mad max yeah and that's that's that's one of the things we've talked about on the show before like i think people have it in their heads that like from reading preper fiction like one day you're just going to wake up and the lights aren't going to be on and it's mad max time like it's game time or that is one of the huge problems i have with preper fiction it's always an overnight change it's always an overnight change well but i think but i think but i think i think it's a plot movement device for prep or fiction i think that's the only way to do it because otherwise i think you could do a far more interesting book if you did a slow role

but i don't know if the slow i don't know you dude you would burn 500 pages just talking about things slowly accelerating or you would do what i did with america with american insurgent where like you had to like almost like jump over periods of time and then you had to you had to you had to tell about things that happened in the past. You had to say, I am here, but in order to get here, which is this situation that does not resemble current day, I have to tell you about all these things that happened in the past to get us here. Like, in the name of full disclosure, American Insurgent, I use plot movement devices to make that book work. You do.

Because I had to discuss how you get from today or what year to start writing the book, 2018 I want to say you had to get from 2018 to this this time when the second amendment was wholesale repealed and that you can't do that in one jump so I had to like say we're here it's a weird situation this is all the things that happened in the past to get us here and I never even gave specific time allowances like oh that was 10 years ago that was five years ago I just had to say it happened and this is why it happened you know this is in this we've we've had this discussion with the common syndicate guys as well as at what point do you feel it is time for you to act to strap up and honestly i don't know that there is a correct answer there's not because if you

wait too long well you waited too long and now you're outnumbered i mean the other problem is it's it's regional it's situation and if you start too soon congrats you're in federal prison. Yeah. Or you get evicted from your home because, you know, like, there might be, there might be people trying to throw Molotov cocktails through your front door, but the mortgage company still wants their money. Like, it's just one of those weird situations where, like, that's how collapses happen historically. They're not overnight binary flip a switch and it's game time type of problems. It doesn't work like that.

The best way I've heard it described is. it happens really slowly and then all at once. Yeah. Or like the analogy of boiling the frog. Like by the time you realize the water's too hot, it's way too hot. But I don't know. I think that what concerns me about this continued conversation about like, we need to set up a shadow government to subvert, you know, conservatives or Republicans

MAGA, whatever it is they're upset about. To me, it's like, I mean, okay, but that kind of goes back to what I've been saying for a couple of years now, which is like, I feel like the United States is just destined to bifurcate. Well, we're reaching a point as a nation where, so no nation has ever been able to survive without having some kind of commonality between them. It can either be something like Ireland, Scotland, England, most other countries. Almost always ethnically based or religiously based. Almost always. Yeah. Every other country, when you have a nation, there is an ethnic thread.

There is a religious thread. There's something that runs through the whole country, the whole populace to bind them together. And I think in hindsight, this is the reason why Iraq never became cohesive like we would have liked for it to have become. And it's because- Yeah. But the problem is like Iraq, the only thing holding that country together was freaking. Saddam. And the minute he was gone, those people did not say, oh, we're Iraqis. They said, no, no, I'm so-and-so's family. I'm so-so's brother. They were, they were, they immediately

reverted back to tribal origins because that is the common thread is all these individual tribes that just happened to geographically live in an area that we drew an imaginary line around and then a strong man took it over. Can blame the British for that largely. Yeah, you can blame the Brits for a lot of things. But I guess what I'm saying is I will. We're reaching a point as a nation. where there's three chunks of people. There's the side on the right that doesn't want to live with the people on the left. There's people on the left that don't want to live with people on the right. And there's people in the middle who are just like sitting there,

swiveling their head on one side of the other, be like, uh, what's going on? Why are y'all both moving further away from the center? Well, the interesting thing, though, is I don't think that we are moving farther away from the center. I don't think the right has moved farther away from the center at all. And I think that's part of the, the rights issue. I'll agree with that because I tell you what, I was thinking, I saw a tagline on social media

recently and wow, it was like bomb on target. But it said that today's, today's MAGA is half a step to the right of 1996 Bill Clinton. Yes, 1996 Bill Clinton is essentially the same person as Trump, which, wow, for those of you who were like, you know, just poorer. For those of you who were in the mid late 40s and were fairly cognizant at the time Clinton was in office, let that rattle around in your noggin. I mean, hell, I posted the picture on Instagram last week of Ealing Gonzalez getting snatched and it was juxtaposed against an ice raid.

And I was like, can you all spot the difference? And somebody said it, they said, it's different with a capital D when I do it. That was me. Okay. But, I mean, it's the truth. I mean, that was Clinton's freaking administration that did that. And we didn't burn cities to the ground over it. So no, I think the problem is I think the entire population is shifted left.

I think the center line has moved left because the people that are being called fascist are basically mid-90s. Democrats. I don't think that the population has shifted left. I think what the left has done has, what the left has failed to do is what the right did successfully. The right ostracized the crises on the right. They did. They ostracized it. They pushed them out. The left embraced the crazies because they thought it was a voting block. That was that was acceptable or used to. I kind of agree with you because like I don't like. neo-Nazis being lumped in with, you know, being on the conservative right? Because I'm like, no, I don't know what those people are, but they're not, I'm not with them. That's not cool. First of all, I can think of much more creative reasons not to like a person than how dark their skin is. I mean, just me being me. There's plenty of good reasons they're not like a person.

That's one of the stupidest ones. But PCG is right, unless we can find a way to unify some form of vulcanization will be in our future. I've thought for a long time that the United States, was probably too big to be ruled by one government indefinitely. I think Russia is too big to be ruled by one government indefinitely. The benefit that Russia has is that it has

such a low population compared to its size. I also think Australia is probably due for a volcanization at some point in the future. Yeah, but Australia and what Australia and Russia both have those, they have an overall majority

of their population concentrated in a fairly small geographic area. They do. But so is the U.S. Yeah. It's the two coast. It's the coast mega cities. But I think what the U.S. is suffering from is that our system of government was never

meant to give this much power to the federal government. Correct. Ever. And you were supposed to have more authority invested in the state and the local government. So in that way. That's what prevented balkanization to begin with. And in that way, we were supposed to be a nation.

of 50, a nation of 50, you know, basically 50 independent states bound together in a common pursuit. Yeah. We got away from that. And now we've, now we've reached a point where, like, there is no rectifying all these different opinions. And there's no holding them accountable because they're in an armored city that isn't even part of any U.S. state. Sure, there is. There's a perfectly fine way to solve this. You rip the guts on federal authority.

does that involve convention in the states i don't know that it needs to i'm i'm listening well there's an awful lot of laws that were passed and agencies that were created that the federal government per the constitution and per the amendments in my opinion don't have any right to exist true simple enough we need a Supreme Court that applies the Constitution as it was intended

you you're not asking for much are you I'm asking for intellectual consistency I think that's fairly fairly easy oh Nick and I thought only I was that much of an optimist nonsense I've I'm also fueled by cask strength bourbon so I could be thinking a little fuzzy but that i all i'm saying is let hold the judges to the standard of intellectual consistency we have one supreme court justice that cannot tell what a woman is

that's not intellectual consistency to be fair we don't we we've got nine that can't frigging like polar panties have their butt crack and call the second amendment what it is so i don't think they're going to stand up to the fed anytime i told i've i've given you my opinion on why they don't do that before it's because they don't want to be disbanded no it's because they don't want to be proven to be wild entirely ineffectual they have no enforcement arm which they are no they're wildly ineffectual all of the states are ignoring various supreme court precedents one way or another thank you jeff although i don't think that's how you spell oh no you said delusion not delusion i think he means delusion i'm pretty sure he does he

might be drinking castraig's bourbon too god i hope he is we all needed it on days like today yeah well you know what i i realize that that is that is a wildly unrealistic thing that will occur it won't which is why the u.s is going to balkanize we're going to fall apart as a world power eventually. We're probably already on the track to that with bricks nations giving up the US dollar as a form of global trade standard. Usually world powers fall shortly after their currency is abandoned. We just happen to draw the short straw on that one instead of being born in like any other time. Jeff says, nope, just can't spell. That's why I'm a machinist. Me too, Jeff. Me too.

Excellent points. All right. Well, I did promise y'all a teaser about what the next episode would be, and now is the time to drop it before we walk this one out the door. We've actually been rolling around an episode idea for a while about prepper movie review, and we were trying to figure out how we were going to do it. Without violating copyright law. I have some ideas about that. I don't think we're going to get away with, like, showing a video and watching with the audience. That's going to get a smack.

on the smack on the butt and not in a fun way. So what I think we can do, what I think we can do is we can talk about a couple of movies that we think have lessons to teach the preparedness community and batting back and forth and have some fun. And possibly, possibly, we can probably throw up like some pictures of some movie scenes.

I could probably get away with that. Yeah, I think still images would probably be fine. I think still images is fine. As long as it's not whatever production house did Civil War, because they were extremely exuberant. They were extremely exuberant in their striking of our channel. Yeah, well, we did some clips, and we commented on them. I'm not- Just want to fair use, but who's keeping correct?

I don't know. Well, YouTube also doesn't like us because of reasons. YouTube does like us for all the reasons. that's true that's true but you know what the reasons are flawed they're foolish they are all right we're gonna walk this one out the door of matter facts is going away for a week in a week we will see y'all and we'll talk about the prepper movie review and if you knuckleheads think it's entertaining we can probably do it a couple of times because you know there's a lot of movies out there and i can only think of like i think we could probably only get through probably about three each

probably before we run out max yeah let's see we may also have to do a separate episode for

prepper TVs because there's all there I mean there's Jericho there's walking dead for all of

Rick's terrible decision making oh if we do that it's going to have to be like one series per show then probably would be

I mean Rick's bad decision making in any series is like an entire episode I don't watch a lot of

series though really yeah we'll figure it out yeah we'll figure it out all right matter of fact's going at the door bye everybody keep in touch stay out of trouble or get into trouble just make sure you get back out bye nice I'll know. B. B. B.

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