The Prepper Broadcasting Network - Matter of Facts: Rebel's Raiders

Episode Date: April 21, 2025

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Welcome back to the Matterfags Podcast on the Prepper Broadcasting Network. We talk prepping guns politics every week on iTunes, Stitcher, and Spotify. Go check out our content at MWFpodcast.com on Facebook or Instagram. You can support us via Patreon or by checking out our affiliate partners. I'm your host Phil Raveley. Andrew and Nick are on the other side of the mic and here's your show. And welcome back to Matterfax podcast, Nick is here are we have a guest in the studio who goes by the name rebel because he's a witness protection. And Andrew is not here because he's

afraid of goats. Terrible shame. Yeah, friends, I was going to make a weird reference to ghost buzzers and be like, who you're gonna call but I can't pull off half that kind of comic delivery. It's not in my deck of cards. That's okay. Because the joke I had about being a witness protection was a red dot joke. So it's fine if we Oh, that's a good one. Okay. Now I have to hear it. What is it? Here we go.

This is something that I think Lucas Bakken would just find hilarious. Um, why was the iron site and the red dot called into by the detective because they co-witnessed a murder. There's some to a comedy for you. But that's funnier than anything any gun tuber has done on YouTube in the last 30 years. Just throw that out there. That's actually pretty good. I like that. So here on Matter Facts podcast on Wednesday afternoon, we have seen the collision between gun humor and dad jokes. Just right. Yes, everybody. Oh Oh God, that's awful. That is peak.

That is peak. Well, to be fair, I am a dad. So like, I appreciate dad jokes. What is that? Okay, I have to have the question. I think probably. I heard a political commenter, Matt Walsh said this and I thought this was actually really good.

He goes, if you're a single guy like I am, I have no girlfriend, no wife, no kids, literally nothing. The only thing that's not 18 about me is my age. And when I say that, I mean like there's like nothing going on. I do well with Rebels Raiders, and I have my own career on the side. When I go to a dealership, I don't know if anyone knows how expensive fucking cars are now.

I'm like, OK, it's like a $40,000 car is a Corolla. That's not even like that's not even something crazy, which is like nuts to me. But here's my question. When you say you're a dad, I didn't mean to cut you off. How do any of you afford to like eat? Because because a $40,000 car is 600 bucks a month. And the salesman's like, I have three kids. I'm like, who buys from you? Bill Gates? I don't understand. How is anyone affording anything?

So first of all, for the listeners who didn't catch it, last week was the financial preparedness episode. But me personally, I grew up in a family where my dad bought his first new car a couple of months ago and he's retired. We've always bought used cars. We've always bought used things. We've always used things until they were functionally useless

and worthless to destruction. We've always lived well below our means. We've always saved money. Like it's a freaking, like it's a religious obligation. Like I just come from a financial background and a family background of like, you know, like things are going to get tough, life's going to get tough. So when you have plenty, you don't spend it, you save it for when things go to hell in a hand basket. So me personally, like I've been in the, in the situation you're talking about, what we're facing now with inflation, the cost of goods going up, wages going down

or stagnant, yada yada yada. My family's been preparing for something like this for probably, I mean, we've been laying the groundwork for this for 10 years. Okay. Like even when the bills were low and we were making decent money, it was still, we're getting ready for a rainy day

because we're gonna have one sooner or later. I mean, I graduated college in 2009 into into that recession. And it was sink or swim. So I drove a I drove an at the time 14 year old pickup truck that you had to add oil to every single time we filled up with gas. I worked 5560 60 hours a week to get through college. I ate peanut butter and half expired pork chops and red beans and rice seven days a week.

Like we did what we had to do. Whatever your top priority is, that's where your money goes. And then everything else is just who gives a damn. Well, I mentioned Matt Walsh, cause he made a good point. I got sidetracked like I normally do. He had made a good point where he's saying if you're single like me, he goes, take over a dad's finances for a month and then you'll realize how much money you do have. But I

still go, and now it's funny because you and I, you said you graduated college. That's when I graduated high school was 09, 08, Right. So while you're supposed to have a summer Yeah, so you're supposed to have like this great summer of like, oh, your rest of your life is now kicking off. And I'm like, I think my rest of my life might be pretty shitty. I don't know. Right. But my my point is I actually live. I don't really have I do well financially. I don't hand out financial advice because I'm a goat and I can live in the muck. I can live in nothing. Right?

Most people aren't built to, to, and I don't mean this as a badge of honor. Most people can't live in the level of misery that I do. Because it's just like they'll just kill themselves. Those like I'm just out like there's no point. So I do wonder like how anyone is legitimately enjoying themselves. But um, because I'm like, Okay, well, I'm not I don't know. Like, I don't know. Like, you know, my sister just did it recently. She went out and bought this expedition. I'm like, you don't have any fucking money.

Well, I think that's exactly it there is is you there are there. I hate when people do this. And I hate doing it myself, but when you look at finances, there are people that pay attention to their finances really well and try to manage them well. There are people that don't pay attention to them at all and don't manage them at all. Of course, there's a spectrum in between, but you definitely will see those people that are redlining debt To the point where they are spending more than they make every month and just rapidly increasing

unsecured lines of credit and One of the ways they start that is with those really expensive car loans, unfortunately Yeah, but you think it's getting to the point as Americans we were the birth with a with a badge with a pride badge in the in the actual literal sense, not the gay sense. But we wear it like that. But I also think I go well, wait a bit. You're so you just said Phil, where you're like, you know, when I was in college, I had to eat beans and you know, walk 30 miles uphill in the snow and shit, right? It does. I also hear but close. Yeah, I also go have one part of me the American part likes that. But I also go, so can we work as a society to fix that? Like, could we work? But sure, we go like, No, fuck, no, you got to suffer. I'm like, well, maybe because right now, I go, yeah, ever since I came of age, has anyone ever not said times are tough? Has anyone ever not said times are tough?

Has anyone ever been like, no, these are good? Everyone has been like, yeah, man, all I eat are frogs. I'm like, maybe we should stop with frogs. Maybe we should eat meat. I don't know. I guess that makes me a liberal. Well, but I will say this much. To me, and this has always been my spiel,

mostly to people that are younger than me, when we get, this has always been my spiel mostly to people that are younger than me when, when they, when we get to this subject. It's one of those situations where it's like, I had my time of austerity, I might have another one in the future. And when those times come, I, everything gets jettisoned that isn't, you know, mission critical. I do what I have to do to take care of the family. I forgo any and all sources of comfort, fun, or anything else because the priority is take care of the family and, you know, keep my head above water. And then when I have times of plenty, I don't immediately start buying expeditions and BMWs and stuff. Or, you know, I say, Okay, now's the time that I have extra, now it's time to build the emergency fund. Now's the time to put, make extra car payments and get that off my head. Now it's always, to me, there's two parts to this.

One part is, yeah, I hope that we as a society can come together to try to make things better for everybody, but within the existing system, Rebel, I also tell people, I'm like, this is, these are the cards, this is the hand. I'm gonna play it the best way I know how so that my individual circumstances are as good as I can make it, given the cards we have. And within the cards we have, each individual household has the ability to make things much better and much worse. Like I told Nick the other day, like

the first time I ever heard what a negative equity trade-in was, I was shaking. I was, it made no sense to me how the SEC even allows that to be a thing in this country. That's when you turn in a car that you owe more than it's worth. And then you try and trade out, right? Yeah, you take the negative equity and you roll it into the next car loan.

And that's how you wind up paying like $60,000 for a $20,000 car when you do that a couple of times and in terms like negative equity really aren't helping on the Twitter conspiracy theory front when someone's like, Oh, no, that's negative equity. I'm like, okay, who at Goldman Sachs crank that one out? Like, come on. But in the name, but in the name of full disclosure, like my bet, my, my degree is in business finance economics. So like, that's the that's the term, that's the technical term for it.

So it's what I fall back on. But- No, I get you. It's just a funny term. It's like a funny thing to call it. Like, hey, I mean, it's kind of like, what was it, the CD, I was right. Collaterized debt obligations.

Like, what the fuck does that mean? You're like, well, yeah, we sold all your debt to other people and we're making a premium on it. Like, you can do that. You can, more or less, right? What I'm saying is more or less on the on the right track. I think. No, you're pretty right on. Or off. Yeah. I mean, honestly, if you if you if you want the Cliff Notes version,

you can just watch Margin Call and The Big Short and then you'll probably hate banksters as much as I do after both of those movies. I was just like when I it's just weird to me. I don't. Well, anyways, sorry, that's me getting on my, because I mean, that's me getting on my finance one. But then again, you know, also on the other part of it, I've done it before on Twitter. And I'm gonna quote the guy, I always quote,

is Lucas Bach and he goes, people who want, he made a very good tweet. I think he was making fun of Grand Thumb, but he pulled out, he goes, people who want their followers physically strong, but financially weak are like pathetic or something to that effect. And I go, okay, but when's the last time

you gave out financial advice? So then I go, okay, I'm gonna give out financial advice. So I go, everyone, you know, I posted a thing saying, okay, I even retweeted him and then I said, get a Roth IRA and here's a bunch of different ETFs you can buy. And then all the comments were why buy ETF and the system is going to collapse tomorrow. I'm buying guns and lead. And I'm like, okay, well, it always goes down that route, right? Where I go like, you

know, my dad, when he was my age, thought the world was going to end in 30 years, by the way, the branch Davidians, you want to know what they thought the world was going to end? They thought the world was going to end in 1993. By the way, they were pretty set on that date. Okay, I'm sure some of them know it was 1994. But the end was the branch Davidians thought the world was going to end in the early 90s. They were pretty convinced, which is why they're all in the compound. I guess for

some of them it did. But the answer is, they thought like the cataclysm was happening. So when it comes to especially the tactical industry in the finance, which I guess maybe I'm a part of it. Yeah, we only are we well yeah, I was talking about the problem. At least I go, okay, I think but I don't really think suddenly get into it. I go, we do sell the end quite a bit. We do sell the end in the tactical industry, right? We're going you need the AK for you need the AK for 200 meter firefights. And now your a 20 inch barrel is actually for

piercing and using m855 a one so you can break level three plus plates. You're like, yeah, we are kind of marketing the end a little bit sometimes. And then we tell people to be financially sound and they go, why be financially sound? It's all coming to an end next week anyways, right? You go, yeah, I did say that, didn't I? I thought, hold on. I think that's the difference in the perspective that me and Phil try to bring to this,

different than a lot of the traditional Prepper YouTube people, Prepper podcast people. Me and Phil mostly don't talk about the end, like the end of the world or something, end of society. Most of what we try and get people ready for is in Phil's case, hurricanes, in my case, blizzards, ice storms, and super sub freezing temperatures, job loss, illness, anything like that

that can hit us on a regular basis. How the COVID pandemic and the government overreaction to that. Yeah, I mean, the thing I used to tell people is, I'm like, there's such a thing as getting ready for the end of the world, and then there's such things getting ready for the end of your world.

Because like, if my neighbor loses their job, that really doesn't have an immediate impact upon me, or the fact that it sucks for my neighbor. But it could be a serious problem for them. So what I tend to focus on is, I'm like, okay, within this umbrella of things that could threaten you and your family, there's this huge umbrella of things that can threaten you.

And most of those things don't even involve like, financial collapse, the end of world, EMP, nuclear weapons or any of that really kind of more esoteric, low likelihood stuff. It's like, it's two days till payday, I just blew my tire out. That could be a likelihood, high likelihood. And it can't be high impact if it stops you from getting to work. If that caused you to lose your job or cause you to miss money, you know,

lose money and you need the money to get the tire fixed. I mean, it just all comes back to the idea that like, to your point about the tactical industry, trying to sell people stuff I have consistently like I've got, Igin' bought a friend of mine's night vision stuff, but I have consistently told people, if you don't have a fully funded emergency fund, if you have credit card debt, you need to pay all that off first before you start indulging in all the tactical nerd nonsense. Like, there are better places to put five grand than in a helmet on your head to impress your friends. And if you owe five grand, it's 7% interest on a car, you should get rid of that first. And then you'll have lots of money to play around

with your friends. You know, it's just it's responsibility before flexing, in my opinion. Can you imagine the enemy? I'll say this earlier, I thought you're done, but the, the embarrassment of getting just robbed by one of admin admins, art barks of one is militias while you're on your work to freeway like, you know, they took a freeway overpass, and they're just shaking everyone. I always love that, like the idea of like, YouTubers having like militias and the coming collapse. And then you're just getting shaken down by admins,

aardvarks or botkin boys while you're on the freeway, like trying to get to work. Because, you know, you look at Syria, which is a very good example, it's the closest thing to like a state collapse. And I go, yeah, you know, you look at Aleppo and you hear about Aleppo and you hear about the fighting and you hear about the fighting and the horrific combat that was happening street to street. But that was, I believe, I could be wrong on the destination, but I think that was the

western part of Aleppo. The eastern part was still going on, like as a city, like there was like traffic and you had to go to work and like, oh yeah, well that you got the background. Oh, that's just the rebels in the free Syrian army just having it out. And you're like, yeah, you're still going to it. You're serious. Still functioning as a country. You still got to go to work.

Tim pool brings that up on his on his show every now and again. They were in Egypt during the uprising there and they were eating at a at a Western fast-food restaurant four or five blocks if I recall correctly from where the fighting was right so four or five blocks in one direction and you have a functional Western fast-food chain I don't remember which one it was and a civil war just down the street yep I don't know if either of y'all have ever stumbled across a YouTube channel called Modern Survivalist. I want to say in the back of my head,

the gentleman's name that runs this name is Fernando. He's originally from Venezuela, and Andrew and I had him on this show a couple of years ago. That sounds really familiar. And that I found to be a really interesting discussion because like he was literally describing the collapse of a country. And he literally said, it happens in slow motion.

It's not as if one day there's civilization, and the next day it's fighting in the streets. He said, it's a slow progression. There's more and more lawlessness. There's more and more homelessness. There's more and more theft and property crimes and crimes against persons. And he said, it's such a slow progression, like it takes

years to get to the point where most people would pull the plug and say, I'm not going to work anymore. It's time to hide behind the castle walls. But he said, but that doesn't happen immediately. Like there's a long period of time where you're still going to the grocery store and going to work. And just more and more often, you're seeing burned-out cars on the side of the street or shot up people on the side of the street. And it was instructional for me because it was such a different environment to like the one that I saw in Iraq where we deployed into a country that we had already stripped mine from the air. So like the whole country was broken, but it was broken when I found it that way in 2004 as opposed to what Fernando described where it was like he watched it happen in slow motion and I think that's that's what most of these modern conflicts have shown us like even

in Ukraine where on the eastern side near the front it's hell and then the further away from the front you get I don't want to say it's normal but it's more normal yes hot Ukrainian chicks need to stop posting videos of them p really got it for the war got to calm that down. We that I see that on twitter though. What do you mean i were nightclubs and parti

the bombings sometimes in people were hiding from t true, but nobody in World War Two was able to go on Twitter and say, Zelensky is a globalist cuck and he's stealing my money. And then you go, you have this hot Ukrainian chick on OnlyFans partying in Kiev and they're using the air raid Simon as a background beat and you go, maybe you should tone it down because Americans don't do well with nuance, right? Because what you just said is, which is what we're talking about

is correct is you just said, well, yeah, the war is going on. But Americans in general, our mindset, which again, goes in the tactical industry, we're kind of 100% or nothing. We're not good with the nuance. So we don't we think like you said, you go, we don't a lot of people can't comprehend the civil war five blocks down, right? We're a Marvel movie. Don't have the life experience. They don't. They don't. They don't. And thank God they don't.

But I also think it's part of how it's also how we talk and interact with our day like, well, there's a lot going on. Because as Americans, we see this with our like personal lives. I mean, you know, the other day, my friend had mentioned this, if you go, okay, I'm trying to try to keep it coherent. Everything, everything in America has to be utterly insane. It does like the joke I make is I say everything's either luxury or section eight.

And maybe there's a there's a financial economic system that's backing this up. But it's kind of like wild overlap of luxury section eight. Well all of its government subsidized at a certain point. But I'm not a grocery store when I was in high school and the number of people that had leased high end luxury cars that were also on food stamps would blow your mind. I want just my entire point is everyone needs to be insane. I mean, I use Hollywood movies as an example, I go no one's producing predator anymore. Right? It's either this massive

over the top, crazy Marvel movie, or it's some indie film that got cranked out for 30 bucks. And I'm like, where's the middle in this? But then my point behind that is a reference to the average American psyche where we can't imagine, like I said, you can't imagine whenever we talk about the tactical industry, you're right, you're like, hey, you know, you can just have a massive earthquake in your county. And

your county is screwed. And by the way, you're gonna go on tik tok and people are be dancing in Los Angeles, because you're now your county, you might have cannibals is probably your son, but you might have a cannibal breaking down your door in your county. But hey, in New York, they're going to a nightclub because it doesn't affect them. But yeah, I don't think American they just go they just go Oh, well, if there's cannibals at your door in your county, then that's the whole

country. And I don't know. I'm like a very good example is remember what was what was the more recent one that happened under Joe Biden? It was all over Twitter, where it was in North Carolina, they had those horrible. Remember, all that talk was saying that or can allene? Yes. Okay, they flooded it on purpose. And there was strip mining and they were going to get and then my favorite were all the big right wing Twitter accounts like insurrection

Barbie, we're saying there's going to be martial law declared across the whole country. Now, by the way, she spelled Marshall M, a R, s, h, a country. Now, by the way, she spelled Marshall M A R S H a L L like the fucking well, that is a Marshall that is a Marshall. But I'm like, remember that event, if you're on right wing Twitter, the government was coming at any time to close the country down. Because what was happening in this area was now going to be across the nation.

Now we know that didn't happen. That is just the idea of the escalation going from like, oh, it's in this county. What's going to be the whole country today? I'm like, no, not really. Well, I think a lot of that's an outgrowth of the social media algorithms. That part's true too, right? Because I also have a running theory besides that, though. Go for it, Phil.

So I have kind of hypothesized that there's a social instrument here that is driving a lot of this behavior and personally I feel like, now don't flame me for saying this, but I feel like the problem is that the average American does not have big enough problems, hence we gravitate towards extremes in search of some perverse sense of excitement. Like as a perfect example, when I was deployed to Iraq, those of us that were in Iraq and Afghanistan and our families back home and friends

were well aware of the war and were well aware of the effects it was having on those that were deployed in that area. And by the way, on the citizens, the local Iraqis who were stuck there in the middle of that hell with us with the insurgents running wild. But the average American wasn't affected by it. The average American indulges in a rage bait because they're just looking for some sense of excitement.

And me personally, I couldn't have cared less about the politics behind the war and everything else while I was there,, my primary driver was I got to do my job so I don't kill this poor SOB on this helicopter that I'm fixing. And I have to try to keep my head attached to my shoulders for the next 300-something days till I can go home. I had enough problems and enough worries in my daily life that I was not concerned about other things. but I think that the average person frankly just hasn't had in hasn't had a life or death situation and as a result they they they gravitate towards those things like they look for the emergency because it's The thing to get there, you know, it's the thing It's I think that's definitely a contributor I mean, we are a very comfortable nation despite the problems that we're having but I think that if you a very comfortable nation despite the problems that we're having. But I think that if you, Phil, I don't know how active you were on the internet back in the day, but I was pretty big into internet culture. What are you counting as back in the day, Nick? When, like, you know,

when I was in high school and college. So like 2000, well, I graduated high school in 2008. 2000. Well, I graduated high school in 2008. So call you 2004. Like, Jesus Christ, well, you graduate high school the year I got married. I know, isn't it amazing. He's talking about the days of a Kuhn. And the formation of 4chan. And we're talking, yeah, yeah, well, so I was there when the magic was written. Thank you for making me feel old as hell, by the way. I was a listen. I was around when a 9600 rate, you know, a 9600 bod modem was like,

who? Oh, sure. Fourteen, fourteen around. Everybody was really cooking. The point I'm getting to with this is that there was a period of time when everything was displayed in chronological order. It was always, well, reverse chronological order. Whatever was put up most recently, that was at the top of your feed, okay? Well, social media companies got a bit savvy

and started trying to figure out how to keep people on there longer. And what did Facebook do? They started organizing based on engagement. And what gets the most engagement on the internet? Things that are cute, right? Things that are adorable puppies and kittens because everybody likes puppies and kittens. Baby animals do really great on the internet. Things that make you angry and things

that you think are going to affect you personally. So I'm gonna throw hot people in there too, but I guess I mean, yeah, I mean, porn always wins porn always wins. It does porn porn drives information technology and it will be that way probably from now till the end of time. But what happened was people figured out that you could take writing articles in a certain way that you knew would upset a group of people and the more groups of people you could upset with your article the more likes shares follows you would get and Facebook and the other social media companies algorithms were already driving traffic towards the things that were getting engagement, which hyper-focused people on,

at the time it was police abuse, racism. For a little bit there, it was the, ah, shoot. The stock market, the stock market protest. I can't remember the name't remember. Occupy Wall Street. Occupy Wall Street. Thank you. For a little while it was Occupy Wall Street. And then articles started getting written about other things to try and drive people's attention away from that, probably paid for by Wall Street bankers. Right. There's a whole conspiracy theory. They showed the use of Occupy Wall Street. And then all of a sudden out of nowhere racism just spikes in yeah in usage of words, right? I'm I'm not convinced that that theory is it I'm not convinced that that theory can be wrong

given how few people control a lot of large About if I were to talk about what Occupy was, what some of it was just kooky Marxist crap. Of course, some of it was, it always, there's always, but if I start talking about that and the right wing thing, spear, spear things, you get acceptance online, but no acceptance in an application. Because if I, because if I go on to, which I mean, I say right, I'm right wing. But if I go on to this part of Twitter, and then I go, they'll go, yeah, big pharma is enslaving you big

food is putting poison in your food. And that and I go so then this side of Twitter loves Robert F. Kennedy. And I go, you know, Robert F. Kennedy was like, literally tried to run as a Democrat for president. And then on top of that many times. And on top of that, Robert F. Kennedy has routinely spouted that he wants more government control to ban these things and ban companies. But then the other side of me has to then say, well, you need this to protect yourself from a government. I go, so wait, one minute, one minute, I have to oscillate between big company is bad.

Then I have to then, then I have to say big company bad, then I have to go, but actually a big company is bad, so big government need to stop big company, but big government also bad, but not only big government bad, big company can do no wrong. So I have to, I mean, I'm trying to cut back on the swearing. Kima therapy, man. You can, I have to have 17 different cocks jug jammed down my mouth at any given time. I mean, for fuck's sake, Donald Trump just went on fucking live television and pointed to, I believe I could be, uh, who was it? The head of fucking, was it like, uh, somewhat some group black, white, someone who goes, Oh, he made a lot of money on the tariff dip. He said that on television. He

literally said that in a meeting like three days ago, everybody, every economist was saying there was going to be a dip for the tariffs. Right. If you didn't talk to your investment company and say, Hey, how can we take advantage of this? You're a fool. Correct. But President Trump is the populist guy who's talked about how all the companies are there

to fuck you and how you need to step in. And he's also the guy that has regularly said, look, I benefited from this system. I know the system is stacked in my favor. Right. Like, unfortunately, we have, like Phil was saying earlier, we have the hand we were dealt.

We have a government that is bloated and way over complicated and probably over-regulates certain areas. Some areas, maybe not enough. I say, I don't know which ones, but we have to use the tools at hand to make the change we want, right? And in this case, if it's getting literal poison out of our food, I think that's an acceptable use of government.

I mean, I'm an old school, I would say an old school classical liberal in that I think the purpose of government is to protect the rights, property, and lives of the citizenry. Those are the only legitimate purposes of government. And part of protecting the lives of people, I would say, is preventing known poisons from being introduced to their food without their knowledge. You know what I mean? Like you can't put arsenic in bottled water and say, no, it's fine, it's just water. You gotta list arsenic on the label, you know? Right, so those are the easy ones. And I know I brought that up,

but then how do you get into the more insidious versions of you have BlackRock, who then basically goes out and utilizes taxpayer dollars to subsidize risk and then claim that their mass of capital is going but you know you're not not talking about like Elon Musk getting a loan that's different. You've government gives you a loan you pay it back. We make the people us make money but then you have BlackRock that goes out and says actually no since we're holding all this industrial since we're

holding on to all these houses that we actually have insurance due Fannie Mae, right? So actually, all these can go away and the taxpayer will bail us out or the taxpayer subsidizes our risk, but then we make profit. Or even a good example, as we talked about them buying out single family homes, and I go, Congrats, the government is doing a bad thing. I mean, all governments do bad things. Right. But then what do we, how do we stop? How do I, how do I like, how do we change that notion of jumping into either one? So for a start, no, that's, that's the answer. Better representatives that will actually enforce the will of the people. Okay. Now you're about to, well, you, you two are about to make me out myself as the political homeless dissident that I am again, because like over the last 20 years, I've been everything from a frickin Warhawk neocon to a small ill libertarian to a big old libertarian back to a small libertarian. I've been a libertarian anymore after the heroin thing.

Don't don't beat me to the punchline. I've been accused inarian anymore after the heroin thing. Don't don't don't beat me to the punchline I've been accused in the same conversation by the same person of being both a liberal and a conservative I've been told I'm somewhat of a classical liberal, but not really my issue is I The first thing I have to say is that I don't personally believe that we live in a capitalist society. Not anymore. We, well, we, but the problem is we haven't in any of our three lifetimes and probably most of our parents' lifetimes too.

The truth of the matter is, is that the government has been picking winners and losers and manipulating the scales for decades upon decades upon decades. And they're still doing it today and you just You like rebel you just hit the nail on the head. They're still doing it to this day, right? The 2008 financial collapse it's in the history books. There is no debating whatsoever. What the mechanism was that costed It is beyond reproach we literally studied in 2009 in my last semester of college because it was happening in real time in front of us and Yet there's been zero attempt legislatively to have oversight via the SEC to prevent from ever happening again. If anything, they've relaxed regulations since then. And by the way,

that wasn't a Republican or Democrat. That's both parties that have had a hand in that. So what I'm looking at is a government that is wholeheartedly in favor of screwing the middle class down into the down into further into poverty, elevating the wealthy, whether it be tech or whether it be manufacturing or biotech or pharma, it doesn't matter. And at the end of the day, yes, Nick, the perfect answer, the peaceful answer, the peaceful answer is we need better representation. I honestly- Well, we do. That's the way our system works.

That's the way our system works in theory. Yes. Unfortunately, it is wholly dependent upon two things, honest elections, which we can debate whether we have or not, and it's based upon having a smart enough electorate to make that decision. And I'm not totally convinced after like 70 years of government schools, we have a smart enough electorate anymore.

I think part of the purpose of government schools was to create a less intelligent electorate. Well, if it wasn't the purpose, it sure as hell worked. Hey, so now I judge here, right? I judge a goal based on its outcome. Look, well, then dynamite dropping since test scores have been dropping since the Department of Education became a thing across the board. Yeah. Good job. Always there. It got there lies there and lies the piece right? Because if you were to then say, well, let me let me

hit even with a hard one if you were then go well we need better reps like okay and you go well they have no problem destroying the middle class I go yeah I know Acasio-Cortez fights against that all the time right then you go well whoa hold on and I go well yeah but if then there's the political youth theory coming up right now there's a lot of Acasio-Cortez I disagree with. But then when she comes out and says, Hey, listen, you know, Jeff Bezos and Mark Zuckerberg, they don't mind all of these basic, they don't mind what was the I mean, fuck, he was a Tucker Carlson point, for God sakes. But they go, they

actually enjoy all the UBI and all that stuff, because they know how to they know how to avoid taxes. They don't want to pay health care to their workers. They don't want to do that. So they come out with these left-wing causes. They wash their reputations with these left-wing fundraisers. Now they're all right-wing apparently, but they wash their sheets in these left-wing causes. But then they go, well, they know because they can avoid taxes and shift the class, the tax burden onto the middle class. For example, right now, no one likes taxes. But you go, Yeah, if I'm making 300k a year, or 300 million a year, my difference in tax bracket is like what five or

6%. And then you go, Well, wait a minute at 300k 39% a lot of fucking money. Now when then you go, but at 300 million, if I'm paying, let's just say 42%, you go, yeah, it's still 150 million. True, 156 million, whatever it is, 156 million. But then the answer is, you know what I mean? I'm just making the number of it's still a larger number because you're making more money. But then you go, yeah, but if you're making 300 million, a hundred, hundred and a million

out of your pay is not the same as if I'm making 300,000 and the tax is only 3% different. But then you go with a tax goes into this shit area. You shouldn't pay taxes. And I go, listen, I have a plate carrier that's available for $240. And that's what you should be fine. It always goes back to that because I get mixed up too. Right. Or I mean, you'd use a tactical industry. Buy this stuff for a buy this stuff for a tyrannical government T-Rex arms website, the government has tyranny scroll to the bottom. My gear is used by elite special forces. Interesting. Interesting to put that on the website. Oh, here's my Duns code. Yeah. Oh,

I'm teaching a SWAT class this Saturday. Well, hold on. Wasn't that the people you were just talking about? Maybe I'm losing my mind, right? Well, some of them are the people you're talking about, for sure. Right. So am I like completely, because I don't have any government contracts. So then when they go, well, I'm very compliant. I go very compliant for what? Well, for like a government contract, I go, the one you're talking about fighting back against,

right? That's the one that you wanna make sure, I mean, that's what I never asked about the NIJ either, is you need plates to defend yourself from the government, okay? So, but you want the government to give you a rating that the plate is good enough to do it? Well, I think there is a little bit there

that you may be oversimplifying. So, the nice thing about the NIJ and about any of the, like the Barry compliance, stuff like that, it's a shorthand. And I think it's a useful shorthand. So NIJ compliant. Me and Phil can both say we've got level three plates or level four plates or yada, yada, yada,

whatever the certification is. Phil knows, and I know, that whatever the certification is. Phil knows and I know that if the lab is doing their job correctly, which let's assume that the lab is doing their job correctly, his level four plate and my level four plate probably perform about the same. Right. I can compare apples to apples. And I think that's a lot of why people start down that road. Eventually though, I think that the nice, sexy, steady government paycheck is what they get addicted to. But the NIJ is a government institution.

It is. Now the very compliant part, which I talked about with my gear, it doesn't really matter unless you're I mean, there, you could maybe make some baseline cases for like NIR standards, but it's pretty much for government contracts really, this, right. But then I go, so that's, that's what it is. Like, yeah, there's some baseline to it. But that, by the way, I could use that logic about the California pistol

roster, right? Because the California roster, different thing. Well, hold on, let me finish on this one. Because the California pistol roster then goes in and I go, you want to know why actually, the good news is when you, you could use it this way. You could say, you're right. The intent behind that is to limit guns from coming in. But I go, well, the thing is the California pistol roster, what they do, for example, they go through and torture test these 10. Now, by the way,

I'm not for the pistol roster, but you go clear. They torture test these 10 guns and it has to have these features. Well, here's the thing. The only guns that can get through that test are good pistols. So on the shelves in California, you're only getting good stuff really. And by the way, it's pretty much just Glock. But basically, that's what you find out. It's just blocks. Isn't high point on that list, which is not bad pistol, but but they make it through. So then I also go well, for example, a loaded chamber. Now I think the magazine disconnect is dumb. But you go a loaded chamber indicator. But the the answer is the only way to actually kind of put a gun on the California shelf is actually the standards to get in are kind of high. Right. So now my point though, my point behind that though is yes, inherently, that's anti-constitutional thing and I don't agree with it.

And nor do I even agree with the actual outcomes of it. My point is though, for a group of people, for a group who talk about anti-government stuff, the government sure does seem to come up a bit. That's my overall. And you're right. It could be an oversimplification. And that's where I go and this is my problem. I do on podcasts, I go ABC, and then I go, it could be a could be a could be safe. And there's nothing wrong with that. I think that where you're coming from is a is a good point. Yes. A lot of these gun tubers that and I'm not going to go into names, I don't really watch much YouTube.

Oh, that's fine. If you want to you into names. So I don't really watch much YouTube. All of these. Oh, that's fine. If you want to, you can. I mean, I don't pay attention to it. So, but when I was, a lot of them were always, well, the government's coming to do this. The government's coming to do that. You're right. And they were selling to the government.

Well, unfortunately, fortunately, however you want to look at it, the government's the big kid on the block with the unlimited paycheck. And a lot of these companies would not exist if it was not for government contracts. That's that's just what it comes down to. And maybe they're making a deal with the devil. I don't know. I don't think it's that.

Well, I do wish more manufacturers would take the Ronnie Barrett approach though, and basically say, you banned my product from civilians, F yourself. You can't have my stuff anymore. Yep. To me, and then I'm- He's a little bit comfy to an Australian. Yeah, I know. Look, I gotta take my little wins where I can find them,

because it gives me a tiny little spark of optimism to get through my day. I'm just saying. I'm just giving you shit. Yeah. I mean, but to be fair, like the guys from Phoenix Ammo up in Michigan did basically the same thing. When they got, when their local police department started screwing with them about y'all have to wear masks in your own building, whether it's not available to the, it's not open to the public, no one could come in here to your manufacturing facility.

They immediately cancel all ammunition orders to that police department and basically said, you all are finding me and I'm supplying you idiots ammo. Go get it somewhere else. Pay me. Now, Phoenix ammunition also tweeted out about when Trump did the tariffs. He goes, trust the process. And I go, wait, so you want the government to subsidize your industry because you don't want foreign competition? See, the tariffs are a funny thing, because again, remember that whole conversation about like, I've been on both sides of like, I've been on on the,

I don't want to say the pro government, I've been on the extreme anti government intervention side of opinions. And I've been on the more moderate side of this. My only issue with tariffs is I don't like the idea of tariffs, but I also have to acknowledge in the same breath, the fact that most of our most of our trade partners have tariffs on our goods. So to me, it's kind of like I am, I am emotionally at peace having the discussion about we should not have tariffs on imports. I am open to that. But that also means that they know why a lot of them off. You know why a lot of them do have tariffs on our stuff because they're poor. Yeah. So the reason why so for example, if you look at a Vietnam, right? So like for here's a good one. There's like multiple because I this one I kind of know. If for example, China, they do have tariffs to keep some US products, usually automotive

or a few things out of the market. That part's true. Now, the second part though, why no one really cares is because even if you could sell an F-150, you know what China will tell the people? Don't buy them. Yep. Right. So the reason why when it comes to actual people who

are keeping our stuff out of their markets, that does happen, 100%, it usually in this authoritarian area, probably the EU is a better comparison, not China, when it comes to trying to keep foreign competition out, which is usually our automotive stuff. For example, if you use a Vietnam, the reason why they have a tariff on like US goods at Vietnam out this has nothing to do with my production just because I saw it is because the

only people in Vietnam importing US goods are essentially luxury retailers. And if you're importing it, you have the money. Right. So when you by the way, I'll answer this question from Ravel right here. When you import that luxury item from for Vietnam, because if you're selling U.S. goods in Vietnam, it's going to be expensive and the only customers you have are going to be rich. So you're selling a luxury item, right? So now the government knows, well, if you are the one who is importing this piece right here, if you're the one importing this, right? We know you

have cash, so we're going to get it from you. So a lot of it is not necessarily in other countries, not necessarily trade protectionism as much as it is just a revenue, because they know that person has the cash to give it to them. Now, I want to add if you don't mind me interrupting, Ragel. Okay, so here's the thing would rather fund would rather tariffs fund the government or income tax, right? The answer is, you would want to say tariffs make sense, right? But answer is you would wanna say tariffs make sense, right? But the thing is no one has ever said

they're gonna get rid of the second one. Yeah, on top of which because they say it, right? Donald Trump comes out and talks shit and saying, I wanna get rid of the app, but I go, I believe he implied it. Yeah, he implied it. So now if you're someone like myself who makes the gear in Vietnam, right? If you just say, hey, listen, rebel, we're gonna put a 40% tariff on your imported gear from Vietnam, but you have no income tax. I would go, that's the cost of doing business. Right, right? That book, then you go, well, if you don't want the tariff, right, then you make it here. I go, okay, but now the next part is, if we say the tariff of replacing income tax as the current economy is, I go, so let's just say you do that. Let's say you put these tariff walls. And now everything's made here. Who are you taxing? You

have to go back to the income tax, right? Because now the tariff, let's just say, for example, the tariffs work, they worked, they did. Now everyone's making it here. OK, well, now everything's more expensive. OK, but let's say they worked. Then you have to go back to income taxes and the government needs the funding. So the truth of the matter is I don't believe I will live long enough to see income

tax done away within this country. And I would love to be proven wrong if anybody's out there listening. But I think there's a tiny, tiny, insignificant chance, but a much greater chance to get rid of income tax, that we move to a non-progressive flat income tax. I think you're probably right. Like flat tax, no exemptions, no homestead exemption, no withholdings, no financial trickery,

nothing that the ultra rich get to get over on, nothing that the poor get to get over on, because they don't pay income tax, because you know, yadda yadda yadda. But everybody, like whatever the number is, if it's 10%, 15%, you make a hundred grand, you owe the government X number thousand dollars. You can do away with the freaking IRS almost wholeheartedly, because it ain't that hard to look at your income and how much you sent in. almost wholeheartedly because it ain't that hard to look at your income and how much you sent in people's personnel and payroll systems from you know, all entities are going to be able to digest that pretty simply and quickly because you made $100 you owe 1015 however much to the Fed and discussion. And I think that is a reasonable thing that might actually be able to be implemented. But the idea that we get away from income tax wholeheartedly like as much as I would do backflips for it I don't think I'll see it. It's it's not it's a it's political poison to anybody that does it

I mean, it'll be wildly popular for about five minutes until the government realizes they can't run the government I mean hell they can't run the government on what they tax right now You know, they're gonna run the government. I mean, hell, they can't run the government on what they tax right now. You think they're gonna run the government on zero? No, that that is that is absolute. It is an absolute deliberate choice that they cannot run the government on the money that comes in on taxes right now. I was gonna say it was by design, but I guess you could argue that semantics design choice, however you want to say it. It will have to kill all the boomers. That's the only way to do it. We got to get rid of all

of them. Well, I don't know that that will solve it because you know, I was joking. You have many generations of indoctrinated children who have spent age what's six to 18 in indoctrination centers, eight hours a day, five days a week, being told that this is all what you need. You gotta follow the line. You gotta tow the system. Don't talk bad about Xbox Live like that. Come on. Xbox Live. My God. If some of the chats that occurred on Xbox Live were recorded and streamed to YouTube, you want to talk about cancelled. That's my indoctrination center is Xbox Live. That's it's the cod lobbies. That's where I was indoctrinated. Exactly. But you know, the,

Phil, you know, I'd love, I'd love to see a flat tax because that's actually fair. If I hold my breath, will you bring me an oxygen tank? Nope. Okay. I personally I think I think rebels right. I don't see the income tax going away or going down. I see the tariffs increasing the tax burden to people. That said, I am in US manufacturing.

I build plastic injection molds for a living. Our quotes and POs have gone up dramatically since the tariffs officially went into effect. We are seeing companies that we have done work for for a couple of decades now calling us and emailing us saying, hey, we got a customer that wants to launch a product, can't do it with a Chinese mold now, it's way too expensive. What can you guys do for us? Can't say tariffs don't work. I agree that for China.

Yeah. I mean, China has been deliberately artificially deflating its peoples, the cost of labor in China for, oh god, 50 years now, in order to steal industry from Western countries, steal intellectual property from Western countries, and try to boost themselves into a first-world nation. They're failing at it. Every first-world style city they build is abandoned. Because no one there can afford to live there. And we really don't want to get into like human rights violations. De facto concentration camps where they harvest people's organs. Yeah de facto slavery. Like I don't know. You know, I had this

discussion with someone one time and even I got really, really super self righteous about it. I was like, you know, there's a part of me that wishes that we as a country would just cease all economic relationships with countries run by bad people to do bad things. But then the same breath, I was like an awful lot. But then we would do business with literally freaking nobody because almost every country ever use ourselves. Yeah Do we don't have here? We don't have two hours to talk about all the stuff. This country has done bad

I mean, I appreciate that rebel No, I actually think I do act I do actually think you could utilize tariffs to target specific industries I think you can and I know I think I think what you said is right, because I've done it where you go, okay, we're putting tariffs here. And now I don't work out of China out of choice because I actually have a conscious a little bit. So I like, for example, even my materials, none of my raw materials out of China. So coming up, we're doing a multi

cam plate carrier, right? You speak my language. cry. Everyone just everyone knows. Cry has a factory in China that's licensed, which is pretty much where all the multicam comes from all the with the stuff because other companies will say they say we have the official multicam and it's cheaper. You go well because Cry actually has a fact. I don't know when I say Cry has a factory. What I'm saying is

there's a factory in China that is licensed by Cry. Yeah, I do not go with a US company cannot own a Chinese factory. I can promise you that. So there's there is a Chinese factory owns the factory, which has the official cry license to do it. Now, the reason why they do that is because they don't care about it in China is because the American resellers when they read when you when you when you pay for the manufacturing and sell it in America, cry doesn't give you a lawsuit for stealing shit. For example, I detest China to the level where I didn't get that even though my factory in Vietnam was like, you have to. I was like, no, I don't. They're like, well, what are you going to do? And I said, okay, I'm going to import the

multi cam from America. There's only place I can get it. So I'm importing from America. My thing is I actually agree with you that if you use structured, layered tariffs and say, Okay, hey, business owners. So over the next five years, we want you to start bringing this back. Here's the industries we want to bring back. We're going to start slowly like, hey, you have like a year of free to get what you need. And we're going to start slowly increasing tariffs. By the way, here's there's there's the stick. Now

the carrot for every dollar you put into us production, we're going to give you a tax benefit, right? And then when you have a when you have a combined effort to then say, Okay, here's the way the wind's blowing. Here's by the way, this work. This is a term for that. This is called good governance, by the way. Yeah, this is what that's called. Well, it makes sense. And you put a you put a carrot and a stick going towards a certain goal and say, Okay, we want automotive, pharmaceutical,

and whatever rubber production. I don't know, I'm making the fucking shit up. But you go you go down the list and you list this in order to have a coherent plan for the country. Now to be fair and I'll criticize it, Donald Trump's plan was like five things. It was no, we want them to lower their tariffs. Then we'll lower ours. Okay. So that's a free trade agreement. That's what you want. Well, also we'll bring back manufacturing. Well, wait, what you just said you want to trade agreement. Yeah. That also will use the pay off the income tax. Wait, wait, wait, wait, what? So that now you go online

and then there's eight people arguing and then by the by the way, to be fair to everyone listening, which is funny about Twitter, right? Or that the Trump the Trump terrorists didn't even last a day. He canceled them 13 hours into the day. Besides ones on China. But the rest of them he got rid of almost all of them. Right? So then so then almost all of them. I know there's a few still around, but then I go, okay, so

then what was that about? But then I go back to the film part where you go, yeah, so that's called having an economy that's rigged and uh everyone knew that and now they've made a bunch of fucking money and you're a loser and uh you're

fucked and I go, well, okay. Well, look, it was that like it or not. Uh we as a country elected Trump and I think I voted all knew what we were look, it was that like it or and it wasn't Kamala Harris. So look, the joke I make is aren't gonna happen when uh when we launch our system. Sorry, go ahead. Sorry, my apologies. No, that was it. That's all I had. Go, go for it. The joke I keep telling my friends is that when he launched the original terrace, which would

have killed Rebels Raiders for sure, right? I go, can you imagine my business under Kamala Harris? I'm like, well, true. You would have been making bank. Well, that's what I'm saying though, right? But then I told my friends, I dude right now, no conspiracy theory, you can draw a line right from my business that Donald Trump killed my business with an order, direct line. And I and my head on like, yeah, I'm still voting from third term when he runs for it. I'll still love

right. And my friends like, yeah, we will. We all will. We all, I, listen, I voted for Trump in 2020. I voted for him in this one. When he runs for a third term, every single person will vote for him. We all will. We don't care. We don't, we, we will. We said that we, we say

it now. I'll call it. We, because then we'll be called Cucks online and we'll cave and we'll do it. I mean, you can call me whatever you want. I don't care. I'm not going call you that. I'm gonna say I'll be calling that on Twitter. I'm just saying there has been an amendment passed constitutionally that says the president gets two terms. The man has served a term and he has served a term and he is serving a term. That's two. I mean pretty simple math to me. But wait a second. The boy don't get my vote not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

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thirds of this. You need two thirds of the states to ratify that. It's true. It's not going to happen. It's it's just I'm sorry but it's not going to happen gonna happen man. I will just and and I don't think it should happen I will just say this much since we've limits not less Since we've wandered into discussion about Donald J. Trump and Kamala Harris and politics and everything. I Keep saying it and he occasionally listens to his podcast and I keep I'm not gonna name name drop him because I'm trying to protect the man from horrible,

yeah, horrible public outcry. But like a good friend of mine, he and I like we're both military veterans, we used to work together, we have a lot in common, but politically, socially, we have been like polar opposites for a lot of our relationship. He has never voted for a Republican in his entire life until this election.

And like, this is the guy who, when Trump won the first time, he was a little concerned. And I was like, dude, like, take a deep breath. I don't think it's gonna be like, you know, Handmaid's Tales and everything you're hearing from your friend circle. I'd like, let's just- You do realize Handmaid's Tale was supposed to be in Islamic country, right? I understand that but stick with it.

And then when- Yeah, it's not about a Christian country. It's about an Islamic country. But then when 2020 happened and Joe Biden won, I got a phone call a week later like, hey Phil, um, do you know how to assemble an AR 15? And I was like, define assemble. And he was like, like, I have a lower and I had a parts kit, I need to like assemble lower. And I was like, yeah, bring it on over, smoke cigar and BS in the garage. And we're sitting there literally put I'm showing him how to put this thing together his first AR. And you know, from a box of parts. And he's I was like, so um,

what's the thing about the election dude, and he just looks at me and he says, I'm building a frick of parts and he's I was like so um what you think about the election, dude And he just looks at me, and he says I'm building a frickin rifle ain't I? But then when 2024 came around like he and I went out to the gun range together and hung out and caught up we hadn't seen during a couple years because life had just been weird and He told me he said dude, I really did not want to vote for Donald Trump. I really, really, really did not want to be this to be the election I was going to vote for a Republican. But I had two choices. And one was a populace

with a platform and the other one was nothing. Yeah. And I was like, I mean, yeah, when you put it that way, you kind of didn't have any choice. So I don't know. I it's personally to me, it's a damn shame. It is it really is that there's also buying a good choice. This is also why, again, I hope I live long enough, but I'm not I'm not. I'm not holding my breath, even if some of my promises bring me an oxygen tank. I hope to God, I live long enough to see both the GOP and the DNC go down in flames.

And we have like wild frigging elections where there's like 15 people running against each other, each with their own platform as like 15 independents. It would be the coolest thing in my universe. I would giggle about it the entire time. It would be fun. It would be one of the few times we actually talk about politics on this show because most of the time

We're just screaming about whichever government happens to be in charge at that moment because they both do stupid things They're all but in that case hate them But in that case it would be fun to talk about politics for a change because there'd be 15 people with their own ideas But I just don't think we I don't know how we get there. We have to get these huge don't think we I don't know how we get there we have to get these huge monolithic parties to go away and there's too much frickin money tied up in them anyway rebel at some point I went on a political rant there I never do that that was day man you know what that's what podcasts are for we're supposed to rant about inane things that That's literally what we do on the show is rant about name

things. Whatever happens to cross our mind. I think you're about to ask me about my company. I will. Yeah, absolutely. I will. Yeah. One one hour later. This is every podcast is like this. Like even on seaburn. I was just like, he's like, yes, you have a company like, oh, yeah, about that anyways. This is this is on the rare occasion that I wind up on somebody else's podcast.

It usually comes off the rails in the first 45 seconds. Good. It's just podcasting. But anyway, so I guess my question rebel is like, I know you said you wanted to like kind of state you want to be Oz and stay behind the curtain and I respect that. Like, do you want to talk about how you came into this line of work for a little bit? Yeah. By the way, when I say I want to stay behind the curtain, so everyone I try, I wish I could make a more mysterious. I'm just ugly and I don't want to see it all the time. Bro, the spirit is the only thing making me presentable on this show.

Yeah, so I wear I wear a balcavada not out of a branding thing but literally because I just don't want to see my face. Um it's fair enough man I don't listen to our show because I don't like the sound of my own voice. There you go so I think it's fine. Um the uh premise really came from the fact wow okay let me stop sorry everyone hold on. the uh premise really came from the fact. Wow. Okay. Let me start. Sorry everyone. Hold on. You're good, man. Okay. I got

hired at a company called Can I Pro Gear in 2017 because I applied to a Craigslist ad that said wanted air softers or people who like guns. That was it. That's so sketchy. I love it. So, I went down to Long Beach because I was in that's it and the Roman generals and you know uh uh

Hannibal and that they had they were switching off between the two Roman generals and one of them then a Hannibal attacked during a time when the hot headed one was in charge and then they attacked it. So I went over the whole battle of

Can I and he was impressed and said this kid is fine. The kid was 27. It's like this guy is fine. Um let's get him in the warehouse. So I did when I got to the warehouse, I did what Eddie Mill, fine. Um let's get him in the warehouse. So, I did when I got to the warehouse, I did what any millennial does. We all work really hard for no pay and we

become so annoying. They just give you more work to get you out of their hair. So, um that's what I did. So, I started off in the warehouse. Then I took over the warehouse. That was mine. Then I took over social media and then I

built the, you know, the Kaniyia Pro gear through there. Randomly, to the 2020 hit and the great tactical gear buyout hit, we were not well positioned because we had ownership that didn't know what they were doing. A good way to look at it is if you take the old school Kaniyia Phalanx backpack, which was a very good backpack. And then you take my rebels Raiders Phoenix, which is the spiritual successor to the phalanx and a little bit of 511 there too. But it's a spiritual successor to the phalanx.

And you look at it and you go failing the can I phalanx was pretty good, very good back. And then you go, but it did have an identity crisis. It didn't know what it wanted to be. It was kind of this weird EDC pack. It's also a duty pack. It was kind of all over the place. If you look at the Phoenix, then you go, Oh, shit, this is a hardcore duty pack. This guy really built a really good duty pack. Now you could use it for EDC. But it's a duty pack. And it's assault pack. So if you

look at my gear, which a lot of it comes from Kani, you go, oh, but this is focused and good. Now, will I make an EDC pack? Yeah, of course, I'll make an EDC pack. That's cool for EDC. It'll be good. But the issue was Kani was unfocused and had people who were not interested in tactical gear. Okay. So with that part being said, when 2020 hit, while everyone else was able to triple their business, we did much more business. But it didn't mean anything for the company because

we weren't set up for it. We had a bunch of EDC bags and stuff that really people wanted to pay 30 bucks for. So also the company was unbelievably top heavy. We had investors, we had a CEO paying himself 100k a year. The COO never gave himself a raise. But realistically, it probably could have just been him and me doing all the work. We would have been then it would have been fine. But point is, the investors pulled out saying we're not going to pay for this anymore. They pulled out and it was over.

They all went okay with me. They're like, hey, you got to go. It's kind of over and then it ended period. So I was like, uh it all went okay with me. They're like, hey, you gotta go. It's kind of over and then it ended period. So, I was like, okay, no hard, you know, it is and by the way, I'm I'm still talking on the laptop and I I actually have a new monitor now but I literally am talking

on the laptop. The label printer is a label printer but anyways, so with that part being said, I was, you know, jobless for a year or so and thank God I have, I have great boomer parents who have a big huge retirement mansion. So I rent a room from them. So there you go. So boomer, boomers win and that it's through their good graces that even have a life.

So thank you to them. Um, both that part being said, yeah, I was, I got a job and then out of random, I was talking to the old, my old boss and he's like, oh yeah, we have a container of can I probe your stuff? I was like what they gave me the whole 40 foot container full of gear I was like what what do you mean? But we're out of business. What the fuck and I'm like, okay So what's in there all the all the shit nobody wants like pouches like oh no the Legion the optio I'm like, oh, that's the shit people want it So he's like, yeah, I'm like, okay. So then he's like, I'll sell it to you. And I was like, Fuck. So I

formed an LLC, I bought it. And then I had the the container delivered site. I mean, I knew the when I say site unseen, it's true, but it's also not true. Because I knew all the gear that was in there. And I knew what it was, right? You just didn't necessarily know like quantities and everything. quantity number. But the answer answer was I didn't see that container but I knew what was in there because I'd sold the gear for last year. So I knew what it was. So they delivered it then I

turned I tripled my original investment like a 300% ROI. And then I met the current owner of my factory at shot show hilariously enough I tell them how useless shot show is but I met the guy. He owns a factory I I tell everyone my I go go ahead. It's called the saying and what I loved about it was it was a South Korean owned company. So it wasn't like one of those companies that say hey, we don't make it in China, but we're still Chinese owned. We just go out of Vietnam. Like, no, I'm a

South Korean company and we manufacture out of Vietnam. And they're the same company that does Victor gear, Victos gear. Victos gear. I'm not familiar with them. I am. Yeah, you know Victos. Not bad stuff. Yeah.

And then they also do another company which is called Elite Survival Gear, which actually is good stuff, but it's all very 2000 GW. It's not very new. So, and Victos gear is pretty good, but a little odd, because it's a little more European

So it's like your choices are a little strange and then I told the factory owner. I was like, hey Richard Can we do spiritus? but you and He goes yeah, I go good. That's what we're doing, right now to be honest I probably didn't say spirit think I said somebody said somebody else. But the answer was, can we do good, but you can I come to you with the new tactical stuff with laser cut moly with quick adjust slings? Not this then I'm like, and I'm gonna give you my own designs and I mean good shit

because you can I know you can make it good, right, but we're going new designs. Can you do that? He's like, yeah, we can do all that. So I said, Okay, that's we're gonna do. So then I came to the conclusion of I want to do more tactical gear. Now there's a little bit, we can do all that. So I said, OK, that's what we're going to do. So then I came to the conclusion of I wanted to do more tactical gear. Now there's a little bit more of a personal story that ties into here. If you go back a little bit earlier,

my father was during the 1990s LA riots. Now my dad and I share the same predisposition with gear. We like guns. We're into them, right? I'm not on R slash tactical gear all day discussing the finer pellets of Velcro. I don't care. So when I went to all these hypebeasts, and I'm gonna call them hypebeasts, say that they're not, give me ****, it's fine. When I went to all these

American companies that in my opinion, they overcharge, maybe they don't, maybe that that manufacturing is there. So maybe my opinion is incorrect. I think this stuff is too expensive for what it is. But the point is, a lot maybe my opinion is incorrect. I think this stuff is too expensive for what it is. But the point is, a lot of their gear is proprietary. A lot of their gear is expensive. Another piece going back, I know I'm all over the place. But I remember I ordered from T-Rex Arms for their Black Friday sale. And I ordered like 800

bucks with a nylon. Now when I order 800 dollars with a nylon, I'm like, dude, that better be delivered. Like you better if I'm ordering $800 with a nylon from your fucking website, when that package gets delivered, I need you need to have the world's strongest man deliver it because it's this massive box full of nylon. Like the UPS driver needs to have a medical hernia trying to put that box in my house if I'm ordering 800 bucks with a knife. Yeah, ammo delivery should come on a hand cart. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Like

800. I'm about to spend a G, right? I got a medium sized **** you know, a medium like a box that was about the size of a large what's a large international mailer from USPS, right? And I pull out the AC one. I'm like, what is what I what's a large international mailer from USPS. Right? And I pull out the AC-1, I'm like, what is, I paid how much for all this? Right? And then you go, okay, back to my dad's story

about in the 90s, is, you know, he wouldn't have a lot of money. And he was like, okay, so all I have is my Ithaca Model 37 and a 1911. And then the rides kick off and he has to run to the car with me underneath his arm and he has to run to the car literally to avoid the place. If you guys know at the time, there's an old school store, similar to target called Fedco, which was funny because you said that now but

Fedco was literally just a target style. Yeah. And my my apartment complex that he used to live in was right across the street and it's famous for burning down. Right. They'd burn it down during the riots, right? So my dad had to run out with literally me and my sister and all he had was basically the shit that he grabbed from the gun store junk bin

because he didn't know anything, right? It was just like, whatever, this was the gear. Back then, tactical gear was, you know, a shotgun bandolier and maybe some surplus stuff from his time malice rigs, something like that. Yeah. So my goal was I'm looking at going dude, there's people like you go on these websites and whatever people and give me shit for it. That's fine. I go these these tactical gear websites are nothing more than fashion show and fetish rolled into one

in my opinion. They're complicated, because you don't know what goes with what. In my opinion, you have to have a dissertation. You have to go on Reddit for nine hours to figure out what flap works. And then on top of that, it's expensive. So I said, I know how to do this. I can get this all together. I can do it morally. So I went to overseas manufacturing for sure.

I never have denied that, never lied about it. I literally, I don't even put in my website. I say made in Vietnam, which means it will love you long time. I literally put that for the pictures. Do love that joke by the way. It's on the website. I don't just say imported. I tell everyone what it is, right?

And I said, but here's what I can do. I can number one, make it ethically. So I went to a manufacturer that pays with the good wage, that uses good conditions, that was legit, was a legit factory world. You know, I can't remember the exact trade commission that checks it to make sure that there's nothing wrong going on there.

So I did that thing and I paid extra for it. And then I said, I wanna get good gear to people. How do I get it at a good price? Very easy. The same way we can fix the American economy. I simply make less money. That's it. That's the secret.

The secret is I went to a good factory. By the way, my reviews speak for themselves. I have a diamond transparency rating from judge.me and I also have a gold now authenticity. Cause I think a few people weren't verified, but I'll make sure that their stuff gets cross-referenced to Shopify. So I have high ratings for both judge and me,

which you can't pay for independent. And I have hundreds of five star reviews, even on the plate carrier itself, by the way, and I'm not talking shit. Shaw concepts has like a hundred five star reviews on their plate. And they've had their, I'm not talking about Shaw at all

I like them. I'm saying is they've been out for like five years I know I have a hundred five star reviews in like four months with my gear Now again, I'm not talking shit about Shaw What I'm saying is people like the gear so and I paid for it I paid premium top dollar to make sure that the gear is not only made ethically but good and you can look at the reviews And check it. And then like I said, I don't even pay myself out of the company. I have another job. And again, my fabulous parents allow me.

I have the upper middle class privilege for sure, due to the success of my parents, 100%. So a lot of things that other people would probably have to strive for, I just don't. I don't have any bills or anything. They don't pay for anything. But the point is, I've always been able to have cheap access to rent, which is the big one. And they gave me a good education that didn't have to pay for high school, I paid for my own college. So that part being said, I simply just don't

pay myself for rebels Raiders very little. I think maybe a few K I think I okay, I think I did my hair transplant. I think rebels Raiders paid for that. I was like 5k. Those my I did a hair transplant my head. So I don't you know completely want to blow my brains out. Or someone look in the mirror. But even then even then that's not really because I got them. I put money into the company anyway.

So even then not really. But yeah, so I simply just don't pay myself. That's really it. And I was less. So I just set my margin to the bare minimum of survivability for the company and then I put the gear out. So I do have one question about it though.

Yeah. You know, I'm a manufacturing guy so this is gonna be a manufacturing question. How do you verify the quality of your gear that's coming in? Because yes, it's made overseas, it's made in a quality factory, you've met the guy that owns the factory, that's all well because yes, it's made overseas. It's made in a quality factory. You've met the guy that owns

the factory. That's all well and good. Yes. Do you QC each piece of gear as it comes in? I do now. So originally, no, what I did was I trusted them. Okay, they sent me the samples. They now the thing is, they're expensive, right? Yeah. Other people come to me and go, Whoa, like you should be paying less. I'm like, No, I get what you pay for a lot of the time you do. Sometimes you do get ripped off. But generally speaking, that phrase exists

for a reason. And I so the first one was they send you a sample. And then I go, you guys can do this, right? And then they go, Oh, yeah, we can do it. I go, okay. And then I just trust them to send it in. Then at that point, you kind of have to pucker up now what did happen, which I've made completely public and people were fine with it. I had one QC issue. I had one.

Okay. Which was the tabs on the placard. I have it come the vicarian comes with three magazine retention tabs and they didn't sew the tab in at the top correctly. So it popped out. Now the cool part was because it's a dual band design, okay, it has two fucking paracords. It still works just fine. It's just it was just extra retention for two. So the second that happened,

I did a Facebook post, I did an email and Instagram post and a Twitter post saying, hey, check your tabs. And I actually now just got the they just redid 1000 of them for me. I don't know if they were affected. But they redid 1000 of them for me. I don't know if they were affected. But they redid 1000 of them for me. And then I have them here. I got to send them out this weekend. I don't know even about that. But then after that one, I said, Okay, I don't trust any of you. So I hired a British imperialist to now overdo this QC process.

So accent and then he basically beats them over the head with some you know, beats the shit out of them and threatens to tear them and threaten to kill them. No, he doesn't do that. He's great. He's fine. But you know, what I did was I hired a designer contractor and now sure there to go over each one. Okay, so you you've got a third party QC process. I do because yeah, I you know, I don't do any importing of products.

Oh, it's a pucker factor of ability. Dude, I can only imagine because I know the, like, hell, man, I fuck up at work sometimes and sometimes the quality of work I output is not what I am capable of. For whatever reason, everybody has a bad day. I was just curious how you handled it because I've never done any importing.

This is my first time importing, right? I don't know how to talk to women. And I'm like sitting here doing bond buying and importing. So I'm like, when I say, I know a lot of people say this, but when I go like, dude, listen, I'm just some guy. I am literally just some fucking guy. I'm like, I'm the guy who like, I'm like, dude, I met Travis Haley. And I'm like, Oh, hey, man. He's like, you can get

away from me now. I'm like, Okay, I get it. Yeah, it's fine. I'm like, I am a guy. But yeah, all right. I would be by the way, I'm not saying Travis Haley is a dick. He's just like, who the fuck is this dude walking up to me? Well, yeah, like we all would be. We all would be so I'm not saying he's a dick or anything. But what I'm going is I'm literally like, and the grand thumb doesn't take my phone calls.

Nobody does, all right? So, I mean, even I got invited to Donut Operators. He invited me out to the Range Day event. When I got there, I had such bad imposter syndrome, I literally ran to the porter shitter and was looking at flights home. I'm like, I gotta get the fuck out of here. Everyone here is hot and successful, and I gotta get the fuck out of here. Everyone here is hot and successful.

And I gotta get the fuck out of here. By the way, that is a point, which I think is like really funny about the Taffin industry because everyone has like a media career, which means you're probably good looking to be in front of the camera. So all these guys are talking about like, you know, they're all sitting there with their battle belts

talking about the end of the world. And I'm like, gold play volleyball shirtless. What are you talking about? What? You're all like, this is like an Under Armour commercial. What are you talking about? What? You're all like, this is like an Under Armour commercial. What are you talking about anyways? So when it comes to importing, one of the things, which is kind of going back

to my California pistol argument in a way, because through my experience at Canai, I know what they're bad at overseas and I know what they're good at overseas. There's a few features that you can do with American manufacturing that they can pull off because they use because I'll say it this way, when you have a weak design, American manufacturing can actually make it okay, because they use better thread or

a better standard to do it. Does that make sense? Okay. Yeah, that's understandable. Yeah. Yeah. For example, the side of on a backpack, the side elastic, right? They'll like if you have like a mesh side with an elastic band. In America, in America, road fork, you know, know in America because it's expensive to manufacturer they only use the good elastic because that's it's only one it's the only time it's worth it so when you have that on an American made bag because the American manufacturer will only use the good elastic because it's expensive to make in America so you use the expensive

materials anyways because there's no point in cheaping out because they're already paying. Yeah, because the additional cost is so minimal at that point. Right. Doesn't matter. In Vietnam, they try and save every cent they can. They'll lie to you. So in America, you go, all we use is bond three thread, because if you just pointed out, you're like, the cost is so minimal, you use the bond three thread. you use the good threat because the point of the American so cost more time to do it twice than it would to pay with the extra threat. Yeah. Perfect.

Exactly. So you go to Vietnam though they go oh no we'll use the glossy thread because it's just as good. So then what you have to do is you have to catch them and say no no no no no I use another term but I don don't wanna repeat it because I get very angry and very bad on the factory. That's why I had to hire Max because he's actually the nice guy because I'll go full animal mother in that chat room. I'll go crazy. They have to get to kick me out.

It gets pretty offensive very quickly. They'll go, oh no, we'll use a glossy thread because it's just as good. Then you go, no, no, no, no, no oh no, we'll use a glossy thread because it's just as good. Then you go, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, don't do that thread. You have to use the bond 30

thread and no, you're going to have to take the cry stitching. You're going to have to double reinforce it. They go, no, you don't need to do it. Then you go, yes. So, the reason that behind my babbling is when you find the features they're good at, for example, the plate carrier construction, you can look at my

vicarian rock solid, right? Rock fucking solid look up you can bring up the reviews to there. It's there there. If you look at it, there's like here, here's a very good example. If you can you scroll up on the big one. Like if you click Yeah, so if you look at it, I made sure like on the actual on the actual like inserts, you go okay, do a double stitch down the middle. So you know, you can cut what you can basically do is you can create your designs to ensure that they can't fuck it up. Does that make sense? Oh, sure.

Yeah. Right. Even with the crappier thread, it's still stronger than it needs to be. In other words, it exactly. So then, right now, here's the part. Now, I don't use a crappy thread. What most people don't do, right, is I then spend the extra money to make it the correct way. Which is where my quality comes from. And the answer is just money. Now, for example, there is one item that here's here's where I bite myself in the ass. There is one item now here's here's where I bite myself in the ass There is one item that is the first time I've tried out a foreign manufacturer creating Guess what item it is. I mentioned it earlier

Was it the backpack no the item that I the only thing I've never had another manufacturer make That I trusted them was the pull tabs. Yeah Right and guess what's the one item they fucked up manufacturer made that I trusted them was the pull tabs. Yeah. Right. And guess what's the one item they fucked up. Pull tab. Now when you look at this design, right? So here's a good look at this design. It's actually pretty good. If you do the stitching in the middle on the square, you're fine. You're fine. It works brilliantly. And the new ones they sent me do. but you can see because this is not, this is the people who are doing it,

right? You, the people who are doing it aren't probably paying attention to doing it really fast to get it done. You go, yeah, but if with this design, if you short the cord by like a centimeter, they're going to miss the stitch and it'll pop out because they're in there trying to knock out your order so fast. So inherently, that right there lends itself to a mistake to happen. Does that make sense? Yeah, that makes sense.

So then if I can offer an analogy, it's almost like the friggin' gun-related autism I always get into about the AK, the Abtmik, Kalashnikopf. It's not that it's a revolutionary weapon is that it was a design that was simple enough to be made by apes in a cave. Right? Like that. I think that's what you're alluding to is the fact that if you design in a certain way, there's a greater margin for error that's tolerable. Versus if you design it this way, as long as it's made exactly perfect, it's fine. But you get a bit outside the the guy rails and things come apart real fast

Right. And so this is why this gear was a challenge for them because usually Again, there's inherent to the design They usually would create G watt era 2003 Eagle industry stuff which was very similar, right? So the more advanced tactical stuff like the inserts and stuff, by the way, because they don't even have a reference for this. And I can even look at it right now. There's a few things like if you look at it, it's not the biggest deal. But the fact that the

mallet panel on the I gotta be like Donald Trump, I'm talking shit about my own stuff. But I'm going like the mallet panel on the front is like five instead of six, because they don't they don't really do that a lot but for example on the I know you said like what about like for example on those pull tabs my new design is I'm going to put

a little tab above the square and then I'm going to run the cord through it and tie it off that way that that way there is no way they could have the sewer who's probably smoking while he does this, right? And he's trying to eat a crabapple and he's sitting there doing this together trying to make it really fast. That, by the way, it's not a sweatshop. Like I said, they just have a higher operational, they do. They have a higher operational tempo.

Sure, but look, I've worked in production manufacturing, man. I get it. You always try to do it as fast as possible. Right. Because the faster you get it through, the more money the company makes, the more likely it is you can get a raise. Yeah, exactly. So that's just across the board.

So then we look at this, I go, okay, I have to, by the way, if you look at it, they completely fucked up the fucking placement of the Rebels Raiders. It's good for branding, but I'm like, okay, God, did you have to put it on the front of the fucking plate carrier? Like, you could have just like hit it behind the thing. No one really cares. But I'm like, if you look at the

if you look at the H harness, it's like on the top, like, okay, put it on the inside. Like, why would you do that? So but again, at the end of the day, no one really cares. But it's on the back. So it doesn't really show up. It's not the biggest deal. And if someone really hate it, they can just pop it off, right? Right. But the answer is, yeah, when you're doing overseas manufacturing,

you do have to AK-ify a little bit. You have to build it. Now, I only have limited experience with US manufacturing. They're a little bit better at the advanced stuff. They are a little bit better at the advanced stuff when it comes to like, like I said, like the elastic. So when you look at my designs, moving you'll, you look at the backpack, like take a, bring up the backpack. You'll go, yeah, there's like no failure points on it at all.

Like there's really nothing to go wrong. When you look at it, there's like, I mean, if you, if you can scroll down to the individual features, you'll go, there's really, like, I don't know what could rip. Like it would have to be a hard line stitch to rip because like even the helmet carry right there, right? It's detachable. The even, let's say the paracords break.

Well, guess what? There's loops, you can just get a new paracord run it through Right. There's really so when you just have to say is a is a critically under appreciated thing is when you make stuff that It's easy to field repair. Yeah, by the way Coming from a person who has like friggin' bubble fucked so much friggin' like old Vietnam era nonsense by so, you know, converting it over to like buckles and Velcro and just tactical tailoring stuff,

just for fun to see if I can make it work. It is so fricking underappreciated when something breaks and that doesn't mean you have to throw it in the trash. You can actually be like, oh, I can fix this. You're like, you know, a little bit of paracord or a little bit of a shock cord and I can just put it back the way it was before. And a fun one on that, if you look at my zipper pulls, I specifically went actually, I hate to say it like this, but I specifically went the cheaper route, even though they wanted to put me on to rubberize ones, because that is a pair of paracord tied off, it'll never break. Yeah. Right. So that's one thing I pull off a

lot of my backpacks is those stupid fucking rubberized zipper pulls that break all the goddamn time. And then you have the goddamn time. So then it doesn't look it so it looks a little more basic, but it's actually the cheaper option. But I go with that cheaper options, the more effective one because it lasts forever. I will take reliable over expensive any day. Well, and the difference is it's the cheaper option, but most manufacturers would say cheaper option, more margin.

You're saying cheaper option, more durable, easier to field repair, and then you pass the savings to the customer. 100%. So if you, on top of which, it's funny, because you mentioned the field repairs, number one, for anyone listening, I include the warranty is a lifetime warranty. But on top of that, right, and that's the real thing is I'm still here. And by the way, I can prove that even when can I close down, I even said the pitchers, I'm honoring can I warranties? That's not even my company. I have nothing to the company. I was just an employee there. So if someone has a can

I issue, I've already given out some people who had a phalanx or even a Legion issue. I gave them a Phoenix in exchange for their tie issues. And moving forward, I'm gonna get a repair facility, then I can repair other can I stuff. But as you said, when it comes to this stuff, I actually built this even the Vicarion the backpack is not as much but even the Vicarion. Number one, I built everything to be nothing proprietary. Every single buckle on there is removable, by the

way. So even the buckles that if you look at it, that are attached to the back of the backpack. Number one, you can actually move that female buckle up to the where the the pass throughs are but every buckle is removable. I don't even use Duraflex buckles. I use Wujin plastics which are they say they're strong. It's the same thing but they're out of South Korea. They're not out of China. So again, not even the buckles are out of China and with that part being said, everything is built on there to

standardized mole rose and the plate carrier especially, I made sure of this, nothing of any of my gear is proprietary. So if you look at the Woogen plastic buckle that I used, that one right there, those the top Swift clips, right? Woogen Plastics specifically made a Swift clip that's called their universal stealth. It was designed to fit the other industries and Duraflex's male buckles. So I use buckles. I was gonna say they look an awful lot

like the ITW clips. The ITW Nexus, right? So they're built on the same geometry as the ITW Nexus. So all the buckles that I use, and if you look in the back of the HC, see the open ended is removable. All the buckles that I use, you can't get 100%. But I went with the highest compatibility buckle and the strongest strength buckle that I could use for all my gear. That way if you ever

wanted to clip in a Haley rig, a Haley DC3 pack, a Cry Precision placard, all of it should work out the back. Fantastic. Can I just say, and I'm totally piggybacking off something that I saw you point out on Instagram recently, but I think it bears pointing out because it speaks to exactly what you were talking about, kind of like your original viewpoint

for how to package this gear, how to market it, how to sell it. All of this stuff comes in a box for 240 bucks, which, like me having played around in the tactical world for a while, and then even worse, the night vision world, which is another level of freaking autism, and spent eight hours searching forums looking for a simple freaking answer for anything. But the fact that you

get all of this and it all works together and it all works with almost everybody else's gear for $240 is freaking stupid in the best possible way I can express. And the good news is, if you look on the upper right hand corner, so to be completely fair, if you look on this right hand side right here, so you have the plate carrier, cummerbund with retention, shoulder pads, single stage placard, five, five, six insert, seven, six, two insert, three retention tabs, truncate

holder. Now on the right hand side, the delete key is underneath the placard. It comes with a delete key. So you can instantly run a micro rig. You have the H harness. So if you give me a favor, can you zoom in on the right side right there? Yeah, click the picture. So there is your H harness. So if you give me a favor, can you zoom in on the right side right there? Yeah, click the picture. So there is your H harness. And there's your waist strap for the micro rig. And then by the way, there's a delete key, there's a delete key on the back of the placard that you don't see here.

Now if you look right here, see this little H wallet. If you pop off the waist strap, you can take your cummerbund off now imagine imagine the cummerbund and you run it through the wallet, then you attach the front take your cummerbund off now imagine imagine the cummerbund and you run it through the wallet, then you attach the front of your car bun to your placard, you now have a ready rig. Oh, okay. So you can run that like an Alice rig, or basically essentially, so you have your micro flight rig in the front, you just have your single stage packet inserts, whatever, then you could

literally run your cummerbund. So now you can run your cummerbund. So you can run your same plate carrier setup minus the plates as a belt rig right off the bat or it's basically just a chest rig. It's all it's it's just it's just a chest rig utilizing your cummerbund to adapt. So you have three magazines and hudstube. So you can actually have three, I did seven magazines. Let's say sorry, no, six magazines on your person three, sorry, no, six magazines on your person. Three, one,

two, six magazines, one radio, IFAC, knife, and all running off the same one. So it's basically just short of a standard chest rig by one magazine. One mag, or now if you double up the placards, you're done. But the answer is you can run a micro rig or that off of that immediately. And on top of which, I couldn't get it to integrate with the phalanx, the phoenix, because it wasn't really right. But I specifically also made sure that on the phoenix, if you go back to the phoenix here,

this is where like, I should talk about this more often than my stupid politics. Just scroll down. Take a scroll down a little bit further for me, please. Take a look at the shoulder straps on the on the bed there when it's in the back of the truck. Oh, hang on. I think I went too far. No, no, you're good. Look all the way down. Look all the way down. There we go. Okay, see now go down to the shoulder straps. If you notice, I don't do the same toilet seat

Harness that everybody else does. Mm-hmm. What I actually did is I took the Marine Corps FI LB the field be improved the field be assault pack and I measured it then I actually literally went to chat GPT and Measured the average length of a man utilizing the FBI ballistic gel tests This is where I get completely autism and I saw that the average length of the man utilizing the FBI ballistic gel tests. This is where I get completely autism. And I saw that the average length of the shoulder blades in the back is eight centimeters on the back. So what I did was I made that eight centimeters. Oh, that means is, and there's no connecting piece.

Now that sound you like, okay, what does that mean exactly? Well, what that means is that backpack is actually built for you to be wearing a plate carrier while you put it on. So it's extended. Was that? I don't think anybody else has gone that route. I mean, unless you have like a pack that's meant to be like attached to the plate carrier, but that's freaking annoying from a person who's worn a plate carrier. Yeah, those play here. A giant pain in the ass. Right. Okay. But coming from a person who's worn a plate carrier in a freaking Humvee, driving through the freaking desert for a full freaking day, you are, there is a less than 0% chance you're going to have any amount of fun with a backpack on top of a plate carrier. And that thing chokes the out of you and the whole thing. Anybody wants

to argue that point, line up. So I mean, I wasokes the **** out of you the whole thing. Anybody wants to argue that point line up. So, I mean, I was in the Marine Corps. I don't know. I don't mention that. I was I was in 0331 in the Marine Corps. So, nice. I so with that part being said that that by this this

backpack has an internal frame in that piece right there. Oh, no. You're sitting that and by the way, you're not even know if you don't even know more on you want to go more into it. I took the internal frame from a 511 one and measured it. And then I went through and then I spy way that gold level authenticity pisses me off because I had

diamond. But I have because people when they do that when they submit the review, it doesn't match with Shopify so that things I'm like paying for the review. It doesn't think that just doesn't verify them. So I have to go into judge me and have to verify each individual them. So I have to go into judge me at the verify each individual one. So but I look it has all five star reviews. Anyways, so I actually took, I took the 511 frame, and I kept saying, well, this thing digs into you. So then I had a

special augmentation of neoprene, neoprene, plastic, NO, you guys like neoprene plastic, but essentially put essentially when they made that plastic for me, Woojin made it, they put in essentially, I'm gonna say it wrong. It's not neoprene, but they softened it. So I lessened it from seven millimeters to five millimeters. And then I trimmed the edges to fit the back of your ass.

So what it does- Okay, so it's not digging in at the top of your belt like the 511 packs do. Exactly. And if you look, if you look right there on the shoulder strap separation, I actually had them don't cut the pad straight on the very top of it. I actually had them cut the pad at it, which is why you see how it's out at an angle like that. I had them cut the pad at an angle. So that way, when you actually are wearing a helmet and you have the battery pack on, you can lean all the way back and you can touch the back of your head to the back of that backpack.

Nice. You know, you're gonna make everybody else that makes this kind of stuff look really stupid for not thinking this stuff right. I mean, now you want to sign great you want here I'll give you my one flood you want to know what they didn't do. They didn't make the front sternum strap detachable. It's it's it's in there. So

throw the thing in the trash to hell with it. That's fine. By the way, all my not only do I offer a lifetime warranty, my my warranty also includes field repairs does not it's so not not not field repairs field field repairs. It does not, it's not not not field repairs, field, field additions. So for example, a guy Mike Von Stubben, he took the he took his plate carrier and he took the H harness and then he put a Velcro field on the part that you wear and then he actually made he put a he sewed a Velcro field on there and then he made a Molle panel

so that way he had an admin panel on it and then he actually sewed in two male clips into his vicarian cummerbund that way he could attach his plate carrier to it so on the Vicarian plate carrier cummerbund on the stitch line He added two new male clips his wife did on the cummerbund right where all the stretch happens So right there on this I was like, oh my god, he's gonna fucking, I was like, dude, I'm like, dude, he's gonna rip the fucking thing. And he was in the mountains for, from February, from April 5th to the 12th, not a six month,

but a year and a half ago, and he was in the mountains for, from February, from April 5th to the 12th, not a six month, but a year and a half ago, and he was in the mountains for, from February, from April 5th to the 12th. Not a single issue. Nice. Not one.

And he's like, I love it, it was great and it held up fantastically. So he also wrote a four star review, which pissed me off because he loved it. But I'm like, Mike, you know me. He's like, yeah, but I can't put a side sappy plate. I'm like, it's not know me. He's like, yeah, but I can't put a side sappy plate. I'm like, it's not fucking for that. But anyway.

But I digressed. So, it looks like someone dropped out. Oh, I think Phil might have hit the wrong button there. He'll be back in a minute. So I digressed from that. But there is the autism. Oh, I didn't even get into the fucking med kit. You're here, I went to the med.

Oh, there you are, Phil. What happens when Phil gets a little too crazy with buttons and push the wrong button? Can you go to the med kit real quick? I think he accidentally closed that out. Over the sling. But I'll be honest, it's a two point sling. The main thing about my thing is a two point sling. The throw is reversible. Here's my entire point with a sling. It's a two point padded sling that I sold for $25. How did I sell for $25? I didn't make any money on it. That's how I sold

for $25. Because I wanted people to not spend $70 on a fucking sling. Yeah, so I always thought 70 was way too much for a sling. By the way, you can check the reviews. There's 79 five, there's 79 five star reviews on that. But I'll tell you so okay, here's the cool part. Again, this is I, I, I'll go over. but I'll tell you. So, okay. Here's the cool part again. This is II. I'll go over what a mistake then I'll tell you how I fixed it. So they did not again. This is the overseas production. They Vietnam, not China. They did

not listen to me and they did a fixed if you can scroll up a little bit. They did a scroll up up. It's okay. My military. It's okay. They did a fix strap. So what I said, I told everyone that what they can simply do is cut one end and I sent out a keeper. That way you can run it to the keeper and now it's just a normal top strap. So this is a standard a pop. This is both the apothecary med bag. It's a pretty standard rapid deploy for you know, medical bag, right? But I did if you scroll down a

little bit. So essentially, you can pop the sling off now you can I included the part in there for people do a quick I have a video on Instagram, you do you can do a quick edit and you can make it. But if you scroll down, I'll show you a cool feature. It is also a placard. Oh, that's so now here's the cool part. It's a placard that you could pop off and put it on your plate carrier. So for people who have like a plate care in their car, they could have two mags, their first aid kit, maybe maybe a radio on

there for my dad right for your active shooter response kit. Sure. And then when you have the plate bag in your car, and you respond to some cocksucker shooting the place up and you put them down, you can now just have that you can throw this over here. It has a comes away strap, you can throw this over, right? You can throw this over your shoulder and go or you can slap this on. If you're a cop, you can slap this on to your fucking plate carrier go now even cooler if you scroll

back up for a second. If you can go to the top, go to the top. It's a little there you go. So click on the main image there, please. So scroll down a little bit, you'll notice there's now see where the go up just a little bit. Right there you see the clips, right? So it's okay. It's all right. You can remove the sling. So it's removable. If you want to. Here's the crazy part. The vicarian comes with two extra female buckles. You could take the buckles. The vicarian comes with two extra female buckles

you could take the buckles from the vicarian and I put it on the sling up here and Then you can attach that this the thing that it comes with and you can attach that into those two Male buckles and now you have a quick to attach sling if you wanted to nice now even more So these buckles they work on the plate carrier. They also work on the H harness. So you can put the H harness in here. Then, you know, the H harness, you know how, when you do a micro rig, you run it around underneath your armpit, then you run to the two tabs on the side of the placard. Well, you see where the magazine tie ins are? Yeah.

To the left, there's empty Molly Rose. Note those Molly Rose are four. You can attach the H harness into the top of that. And then the thigh strap is, I made it extra wide. You can run this as a waist strap. And the waist strap from the Vicarion fits on this too. So now you can run this as an independent chest rig if you have the Vicarion as well.

So you're like, what the what? No, no, no. So what you've done is not only made every bit of this extraordinarily modular with everybody else's stuff but you've also inadvertently created your own little ecosystem where all of your stuff melds together yes probably probably as a byproduct of the fact that it's also universal because it if it works with everybody else's stuff by definition, it works with all of your own stuff too. Yes. So the next one I even got a little piss. I didn't do it just right. The next one is not going to have the sona. It's just going to be the two buckles on the other side. And then it's just

gonna be like, Hey, listen, you're gonna come with it. My next one is this is the crazy part is I'm going to try to simplify this. This is going to be a standalone rifle sling as well, when it comes with it. So what you'll be able to do is if you have this, I'm also gonna put on the interior, and here is gonna be all Velcro, so you could put your magazine inserts in this as well.

So you can run it as a placard, and then you can put your magazine inserts in there. And then the top sling is going to be simple but it's going to be it by the way, by the way, modern two points things are pretty freaking I'm just gonna put a slider. So now you're gonna have a two point sling that you can adjust really quickly and tighten it to your body. Right or you can pop it off and it will double up as a rifle sling. Does that make

sense? Yeah, it does. It's it's and the rifle, by the way, I'm not going to raise the price. So it's gonna stay at that price. So that you could say you have a rapid deployment medical kit that you could throw on an active shooter situation, then you could throw it on your plate carrier when you're a cop or even if you have one front of shoot situation and then on top of which once you pop the top part off it will double up as your rifle sling so you can have your rifle in your car you grab

this you can attach it to your plate carrier then put that that sling from that on your rifle and go the answer is is no one actually gonna do that no but it sounds really cool when I talk about it. So there you go. You're gonna make a lot of your competitors look really, really stupid. Yeah, the only issue I'm having with the rifle thing, it's gonna be a little short. That's why I'm having an issue with that. It's a little hard to get to make it a little longer.

But yeah, that's gonna, the top strap will be, it'll be rudimentary, but it's going, you guys know the Blue Force gear. Yep. It's gonna be that, but with thin nylon. That's all it's going to be. Oh, okay. So just a little lighter, lighter weight version of that.

Basically. It's going to be a very serviceable sling. Yeah. Is it going to be go carry a 240 for three? No, I'm not going to, I'm not going to bill it as that, but I'm going to go yet in a reactive shoe situation. You could pop this off. You can have it on you and use it or you could pop it off mount to your plate carrier And then you could since you're probably have your right your your rifle in your car and you're you're standing around You could use that put that as a sling for your rifle and you solve it now

If you wanted a padded sling you get the gizmo glider now you have a dedicated padded sling Which is just the cool part is it come with keepers? So if you do on the gizmo glider sling, the keepers that it has what you can do is you wrap them a certain way so you can keep your sling tight to your rifle. It's on my gizmo glider. You can take a look at it. Under some rebels raiders gear there. It's not changing my screen. Oh, yeah, the gizmo glider. Does it do I have the keepers as a

picture? You scroll down? I don't know if I had them. I don't see the keepers. Is it? I don't. I probably didn't put it on. Wait. No, I didn't put it on there. If you have it down there, the key, they're just two elastic bands and what they allow you to do is that you could basically keep your rifle. You can keep your

sling parallel with your rifle and I sold it to Marines so you can keep your sling just parallel to your rifle. A bunch of Marines are using it right now on the off sprays because they don't have their shots. They're not going to be able to your rifle a bunch of marines are using it right now on the offsprays because they don't have your shit flopping everywhere and what the keepers allow

you to do but it's not like super secret they're just they're just little elastic with a little slide lock yeah what allows when you pull on it it opens up yeah when you pull on it the keepers will stay on your sling yeah but then you can just throw the sling over your shoulder. Now the next phase for this one, the only thing I got pissed with the Rebels Raider with the gizmo glider was I couldn't get a cheap mounting option. Now these are open ended, so you can mount it to whatever you want. But people are like, well, I want like a para clip or a QD swivel. But all the shit overseas is

cheap. And the QD swing swls that are good cost just as much as the sling. Yeah, so what I'm going to make is I have, um, I have keepers like it's basically a little tab that has paracord that's going to come with the next version. That way you can run the paracord. Um, imagine, um, Remember the old school three-point slings Phil, you know what I'm talking about? When they had to banish those things to the furthest corner of my brain things Mount remember how they had a pair of a pair of paracord that you Do and then it just had a plastic little basically a slot that you could put anything through

Yep, the next gizmo glad it will come with those that way you can mount the sling to me right now You can mount anything but you're not gonna require any mounts out of the box. You can put it anywhere. But this version is this version is still I mean, it's fucking amazing. I mean, I'm also that but it was $25 for a sling that is packed. Yeah. So somebody earlier commented and we do have to address the elephant in the room. All of your shit is sold out. Yes. So everyone in America likes cheap things. They love

it. Right? Here is cheap. Not just cheap, but cheap and freaking forward thinking and good. I mean, let's not undersell it. But I say cheap at my price, right? It's not the reviews. By the way, this might be the greatest marketing thing ever. Because I as I actually did this stuff, none of this stuff actually like sold at this price at this price, it's still pretty good, but people got it on sale

because I did a launch sale. But now I have all these reviews to back me up. So maybe it works or maybe not. But the answer is, being in stock will always be a problem. Because my margins to get them out. It's just every cent goes back into production. So for every one plate carrier I sell, I can only make basically one more off the profits. So it's going to be a slower burn to keep myself in stock. Because, like I said, if I sell 1000 plate carriers, that means I can make 2000. Maybe kind of, right. So if I sell 2000 plate carriers,

then I can make four, now I can make four, then I can make eight, and I make eight, I can make 16. But the answer is it's going to be a slow burn with my stock number one, because I talk too much. But number two, is just my margins that go all the way back in, they're just not high enough to then turn one plate carrier sale to three. Sure. But from the guy with the business degree that the type of scaling you're talking about

is sustainable for a new startup. Because you and I both know, there's a lot of people out there, they try to outgrow what they're capable of very, very quickly, because they wanna get to the big number at the end of the rainbow. And what you're talking about,

where it's like, I sell the stuff, I make the money, I get another run and I scale up, like, you know, whether it's one to two or one and a half to one or whatever, like, that level of scale is sustainable, especially with good marketing and good ground game, which sounds like you have. I gotta increase it. Yes. I've been lacking the responses to people because I've just been fucking tired with

work. Well, I'm gonna be real honest with you. As soon as I realized you'd sold out, I was already kicking myself and asked for freaking missing out because like I'm in the market for a plate carrier. And when I saw what you were putting out, I was like, Jesus Christ, like, why hasn't somebody else done this yet? And the next one, and I'm not raising the price. I don't know

for sure on multicam I may have to raise the price simply because it's just more expensive. Yeah, but for the drip, it's worth it. We're talking like $15. But what I'm going to promise everybody is with multi cam, if I can take it, I can take it. I'm only going to raise the price on the cost, not on how much I can make. So if it costs me 15 more bucks to make, I'm making the promise right now you can hold me to it. If it costs me 15 more bucks to make versus the plane

carrier, then the price is just gonna be $15 difference. I'm not going to do 15 plus the cost. I'm just going to do literally whatever I pay on the multicam on that one. My next one is the next version. OD Green. Yes, I have Ranger Green. Right. Okay. Now for the for the second context, I know who raggle is I met him in real life. He doesn't live far from me and OD green is the vibe down here. That's the one. Well, we're in South Louisiana. So it's swamps

and woods around is OD and Ranger that different? Not to me. Okay. I that well man, I like but I like to piss off the tactical autist by mixing and matching like 14 different shades of FD Just to see them have a stroke. It's hilarious to me I have m81 woodland on the way and here's the good news Nobody asked for this, but I'm doing it to shut up everybody I am also I have a custom one which I can upload. No one else does this guaranteed. No one else.

I actually copied the NATO specs, which are actually a little more stringent for NIR material. So the NATO, which I have the max. Yeah. I have the max min light transmission at 75 meters. Try playing that to someone in Vietnam. They're like, it's completely horrible. But yeah, the multicam already is, but the M81, Ranger Green, and Woodland will be NIR.

And as of right now, to my knowledge, unless the terrorist becomes something crazy, I have to, it might require, I'm not raising the price on that at all. Well, I mean, at this stage, if you had to raise the price to cover the cost of manufacturing, like I think your customer base would understand that. Yeah, that's a reasonable thing to do. Well, not just that, but like what you're offering for the level of price you're

offering it, even if you had to jack the prices 10 or 15% to cover the cost of tariffs or increased production costs or material costs or whatever, it's still disruptive because it's it's so it's so much forward thinking and it's so much. It's so much stuff for such a low price. Like you have so much you have to think the price is too high. But see the funny the funny part is, I mean, I paid more for just my bear Aries Armored Derma 10 years ago.

Yes. Look, there's a reason why I have sowed so much of my own crap over the years, and it's because I hate spending money. That's true. I spend money on things I can't make myself, which is why there's a PBS 14 on the shelf. But if I can make one of those,

I probably would have tried my hand at it no matter how ugly it was. By the power of 3D printing. I'd like to actually talk to you about that, Phil, because my original goal, which just wasn't possible, but to be honest, it's actually true. It's actually not true. My original goal was that kit for 200 bucks, the backpack for 165, the sling for 45 and the med bag was 45. So the med bag I did the backpack, I actually did the launch set,

which everyone bought it for 135. So I was $30 on over my goal. The plate carrier I sold at launch was 215 but it had free shipping. So if it was 200 bucks, it would have been $15 shipping, which would have meant I didn't meet my goal of getting nothing to $200. Right now it has to sit there. When I look at those prices, to be fair,

I go it needs to be cheaper. I need it to be offensively cheap. That's my goal. It already is there. I know. It is offensively cheap. Yeah. My goal is there. It is offensively cheap. Yeah, my goal is I want I'm trying to get it where I go like, well,

people already do it now. I mean, they go, how do you make money? I go, I don't. So my goal of the gear is to keep producing it. I want to I maybe in the very beginning to build it up. I want to be like, and Phil's not gonna like like this number. But I'm like, I'm talking like, I'm trying to get it down where my books are like, right at 20% are like, right there. I'm like, that's hard. That's a tight line.

That's my insane goal. My insane goal is like right on it. But let me, but let me just offer you this this spot advice from person who's run and had to shut down multiple home businesses over the years Don't ever let Perfect be the enemy of pretty damn good Because you don't get your margin down to 20% the fact that that is a goal is Going to drive you in the direction you want to go in so that like you feel Personally good about what you're doing and if you never get it to 20% It's like if you aim for them if you aim for the moon, you're gonna hit the horizon type of situation, you know saying

Like you're doing the exact opposite of what every other manufacturer does where it's like how high can I get the margin? and I'm looking at your gear like manufacturer does where it's like, how high can I get the margin? And I'm looking at your gear, like the margin between where you're at and what the market we know will tolerate because of what it tolerates from every other manufacturer is so extreme that if you had to come up on the price a little bit cover cost manufacturing and not cut your own throat or sell it at a loss, you have tons of margin to do that. And by insisting that, to quote you from Instagram, like, I don't dunk on the poor as I supply them. But by continually trying to drive the price down for the level of quality, I don't see, I don't see how you screw this up unless you just really try. Well, I appreciate, with that being said, I appreciate that a lot. I have to get going because my family's going to go to dinner. We're going to Red Lobster. But um, so the one the key point to all this though, is many people, many people say, you know, you know, they go, oh, I go on, I try and be the person that I want to be. Right? I go, no, I don't I don't want to try to be anybody else because you because God knows I'd fail at that Right. I go what I wanted what I want to do is make sure that people Don't run into the hardships that I ran into or I should say not me I should say like something like my dad ran into what I don't want is someone who can't defend themselves

And I'm gonna say this very clearly because I and the very beginning I wish wash But you have failed liberal cocksucking policy, which starts a fucking riot away from my house. And my dad, which is again, that's where my right wing comes from, which I throw out some, I throw out some Medicare for all facts every once in a while. But I know I go back and forth sometimes on that level. But God, I gotta, I really gotta stop doing that. I gotta stay on track because I throw out little tidbits. My point is we have systemic failure that can happen that will put you in harm's way. My goal of Rebels Raiders is always to be not my dad, but to ensure that actually better. I wanted my dad equipped in the nineties when he needed it.

And what I didn't want him to say was, I can't afford to protect, literally not metaphorically, I cannot afford to protect myself and my family because this shit's too high. And the shit that's good is too expensive. Yeah, I would agree. So now there's a little bit of fun in that, but the answer was, because if Rebels Riggers was around when my dad was, right. I would agree. So now there's a little bit of fun in that, but the answer was because if Rebels Riders was around when my dad was, right, and he was at the gun store when he bought that Ithaca and said, well, I wanted a tactical vest.

And the gun store guy says, hey, you know what, go to RebelsRiders.com. No,.com didn't exist at the time. But you go, hey, post, go and go, right? When someone gets a new gun and they go, what's, you know, this is the problem. This is what PSA did with their saber, right? You go, yeah, what AR should I get? You go, okay, go to Bravo Company for the handguard, but then go over here to pop up pee pee poo poo for the bolt. Then go over here for the charging handle. But then so PSA said, no, actually come to us with the saber. It's everything. Yep.

That's what I want for the gear. You go into the people's gear manufacturer. I'm not talking shit explicitly But you go on there and you're confused. I want you to go and someone said I just bought a rifle What you go go to rebels red website. Yeah, he has a sling a backpack a plate care that's a chest rig and a micro rig and he has a medical kit you were literally just about as as Issued almost I'm still working on getting it there as a Marine or Army infantryman that is your central central issuing facility the gear you get is actually it people would say it's not basic it's actually pretty cutting-edge

it's actually pretty good and it's quality you can come to that guy anytime you want should you have an issue you probably won't but if you do it's a lifetime warranty and it's good and you're done get off get offline and get on the range right or in this case right Get off, get offline and get on the range, right? Or in this case, right? Get off, get offline and get on the range. Or in this case, you have the, is it right? This is where I say this. I go, you have the plate carrier where it should be in your garage. Because if you know what I mean by that, because if you're actually wearing your plate carrier, like you're getting shot at, that means society is crumbling. Right. So when I say in your garage, I'm not saying don't train with it. What I'm saying is that you have that stuff ready, you have your sling on. And guess what? My the goal of that, which actually happened is when you buy from me, I want you to forget that you did it. Right?

Like I went to Oh, yeah, I don't remember. Oh, yeah. Oh, shit. Yeah, I bought all this gear. Because when you buy the $500 Aimpoint RDS, you're gonna remember that you're gonna go fuck. Yeah, red dot was 500 bucks. Right? I have. Sorry. I mean, you buy it from me, you're gonna I want you to forget you purchased it because it's not that because you're like, Oh, yeah, 200 bucks for all that. That's nothing. So yeah, I do have to get going. But please finish off. That was my what final I've just got one question that I'm going to punch you out of here.

So you can go eat red lobster. Yes. Any idea roughly when you're going to restock summer? Okay, okay. I am I'm going to be bird dogging and pestering the shit out of you in a couple of months. Just FYI. So and two parts to that real quick. So what's happening is Donald Trump, I don't buy Donald get political on it, but I guess I voted for Donald Trump. So whatever. Donald Trump put in the tariffs, the original ones killed it. I wasn't that upset because I really didn't think they were going to last to be honest. The way the what he put in there China, but I work at a Chinese on I give a shit. The original ones I was like, it's not gonna last. It's just not and I was correct. Honestly, I was the original terrorists didn't last literally 13 hours, right? I know there's still some in place right now. But the actual big, huge reciprocal 48% on Vietnam tariffs didn't last. In 90 days, I can't get the gear in.

However, I because Vietnam looks like they're ready to play ball, I'm suspecting by that time, those tariffs aren't going to be there. I'm just guessing. Maybe you guys can tell me no, I don't think so. I'm guessing by that. Judging by the tea leaves, I'm going, I don't, because again, the original ones didn't last literally a whole day. So I'm going, even right now, if I imported it today, it'd be, I think there's like an extra 10% tariff, it'd be annoying. But whatever, it would just be less money. But I can do it if the tariff plan stays the same as right now I can do it. No

problem. It's just extra but it's annoying. But with that part being said, I'm gonna YOLO it because what I don't want to do is I don't want to whatever at the tariff come in, I just pay them and then I say, Hey, listen, here's a tariff. I raised the price and then then whatever, Hey, listen, here's a tariff. I raised the price and then then whatever it is what it is. So there is the there is my conundrum. I was going to wait until the tariff policy was clear. But then I said, you're not getting that.

So fuck it. So I'm going to YOLO it. I have enough money to buy a house in Arizona, which is a state that should be firebombed, but that's besides the point. But sorry, the entire state. You've been to Phoenix, Arizona. It's horrible. But anyways, I'm going to YOLO it and just do it. And the other answer is Rebel is a real goat and his friend is gizmo. And that's why I have goats because I have pet goats. I do make them wear the tactical gear. They do not like it whatsoever. But it's very funny. And goats are amazing. And yes, I do donate to rest. We've saved two goat farms. Since me taking over any social media for

can I we just saved one in fucking Christmas, but we literally had a really good a Christmas legitimately like a developer was going to buy their land and build condos on it. And like they put a tax bill so then we got the goat gang which I adore the goat gang that's the people who buy and follow me. They really they really stepped it up. And they got the money raised for the goat. So we've saved two separate goat charities from from government overreach. I'm not even fucking kidding you,

like, literally paid their tax bills that they kept their farm. I'm talking grapes or wrath shit. And both happened during Christmas. Now I'm not gonna get laid by some hot chick. God forbid that happens. But um, so, yeah, we've got we've got goats, we just raised $1,000 for the fucking old goats home. We got their hay bill covered. Every single time I put a charity bar up, it gets covered. So that being said, we've got more goats to save. Yes, I have goats. Yes, they're hilarious. More gears on

the way. Please make sure to sign up for the sign up for the in stock notifications. And on future podcasts, I'll do much more autistic gear rundown as opposed to talk about my lame center right politics that nobody cares that it's lukewarm and no one gives a shit about man. That is how podcasts go. Right. I'm just I'm just I'm gonna I'm who's the one you guys all love? Who's the one that everybody loves so much Dave Smith? I'll just I'll just copy him. I'll just say there you go. There you

go. Everyone you guys all love him right he's on every podcast all the time. I don't know. I do apologize. I gotta get my my family had to wait because they they wanted to go so yeah we'll we'll cut it off here good then. My thank you so much guys for having me on I really appreciate it. I could go on for another seven hours but I gotta go eat. Alright, Matterfax Podcast is gonna go out the door. Links are in the show description to Rebel Raider's stuff.

Come and harass him on social media and tell him to hurry the hell up and get his gear imported so we can all buy it. And we'll talk to you out another week. Bye everybody. Alright. So So Thanks for watching!